Mike Mayock - Redskins draft -boom or bust?

[nimblehippo]

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8081a270

Mayock reckons that this will either be a very good or very bad draft depending on how our 2nd rounders do - of course!
Having gone for the pass catchers early ahead of linemen is a high risk high reward strategy. I just think that at least one of them is going to turn out to be a player, and will make it worth it.

[Califan007]

I hope the entire offense goes BOOM! right from the first game lol...

[posse87]

I still don't get all the questions with Kelly's knee. I wish the media pundits would leave the medical analysis to the experts. He had arthroscopic cartiledge surgery after his sophmore year then played this entire past season. He suffered a deep tissue bruise in their bowl game and had just started training 3 weeks before his pro day workout. Unless someone knows something more than I have read then there is structurally nothing wrong with his knee and with continued training his burst/quickness/speed should return to its previous level. He is over 1 year out from minor knee surgery for petes sake.

[Califan007]

I still don't get all the questions with Kelly's knee. I wish the media pundits would leave the medical analysis to the experts. He had arthroscopic cartiledge surgery after his sophmore year then played this entire past season. He suffered a deep tissue bruise in their bowl game and had just started training 3 weeks before his pro day workout. Unless someone knows something more than I have read then there is structurally nothing wrong with his knee and with continued training his burst/quickness/speed should return to its previous level. He is over 1 year out from minor knee surgery for petes sake.
I keep hearing fans and mediots alike continually say "there are concerns with his knees" like it's a mantra (or with fans it's "I've heard there are concerns with his knees")...but as you said, none of them explain exactly what that concern is and why it should be a concern. Fans say it to sound knowledgeble and the mediots say it because they always talk in short soundbites.

[Ernie5]

There were a multitude of medical concerns about Adrian Peterson too. As for Mayock's notion that our draft will be judged largely by how our 2nd rounds pan out, JEEZ, ya think?
Way to go out on a limb, Mike.

[TheLongshot]

I keep hearing fans and mediots alike continually say "there are concerns with his knees" like it's a mantra (or with fans it's "I've heard there are concerns with his knees")...but as you said, none of them explain exactly what that concern is and why it should be a concern. Fans say it to sound knowledgeble and the mediots say it because they always talk in short soundbites.

I think it is the rumors that he was removed from some teams' draft boards that make people think that some teams are concerned.

Personally, I trust the team to check it out. I mean, the scuttlebutt was that they were concerned somewhat about Merling's sports hernia, tho I don't think that would have stopped them from drafting him.

Jason

[Boy1Der]

There were concerns about his knees yet he never seemed to miss a game because of them that just shows he cna play through whatever and it not that big a deal if he isn't missing games. I truly believe we drafted some pro-bowls and i can hear it now in 3 to 4 yrs all the espn idiots going look great WRs can be had latter look at Thomas look at kelly they were only drafted in the 2nd.

[HigSkin]

You could say that any team's draft picks could be boom or bust. Just another opinion.

:2cents:

[jujuskinsfan]

obviously the guys doesn't take too much risk saying our draft will be either very good or bad......and we call them experts.

[jrockster21]

There were a multitude of medical concerns about Adrian Peterson too. As for Mayock's notion that our draft will be judged largely by how our 2nd rounds pan out, JEEZ, ya think?
Way to go out on a limb, Mike.

:laugh: Yeah, dumbest comment ever. That is how EVERY team's draft is judged - and I would say less so for ours, because we didn't have a first rounder. Its always worse to have a bust in the first than a bust in the second, because you're paying them way more money.

[Bang]

Echoing the sentiment..

Mayock certainly took a risky stance there.
It'll either be good or bad depending on how the players turn out.


Honestly, how does one look at one's self in the mirror after saying that on a network supposedly devoted to football?

He may as well tell us that the next game will be either a win or a loss depending on the score.

~Bang

[scruffylookin]

You could say that any team's draft picks could be boom or bust. Just another opinion.

:2cents:

Amen.

Look at the Ravens. They ignored the fact that Ogden is done and traded out of #8 (passing up on drafting a blue chip player) and instead then traded back up in the first round to reach for Flacco who may or may not be any good and given the Ravens history with QBs, I'd say he's probably going to stink until proven otherwise.

I don't like the Skins continued neglect of the lines with their early draft picks, but at least this year we can feel comfortable that the guys they did select in the 2nd round were not only worthy of being selected where they were, they were in fact great value picks selected lower than most had them projected to go.

[skinhead420]

Maybe its just me but isn't every teams draft a 50/50 chance of a Boom or Bust?

[ddpls]

Dig it, that is like saying if the skins win alot of games they had a good year and if they don't win alot of game, well it wasn't a good year!



Wow, how do they find these "Experts" He must have pics of a media exec. doing something wrong!:silly:

[cjrugger]

I continue to be baffled by the garbage that "NFL experts" spew and no one calls them out on it

[War Paint]

Why are all these experts act like our oline is similar to the Texans from 2 years ago? We have one of the better olines in the league when healthy. Even after our horrible luck with injuries on the oline last year, our depth seemed to do fine.

On dline, I would like to see us address it, but it's not like they are bowling pins. Carter has come on strong at pass rushing DE. Our dline is more blue collar. It isn't loaded with probowlers, but they are solid.

Our biggest need imo was WR. It was addressed. We also drafted a nice oline prospect, so we did address oline.

We just need to accept the fact that everyone will rate us last in the division and the Cowboys first no matter what. The media just can't shake their hate for us.

I really don't know why ESPN has all this Cowboy love. Just about every fan of every team hates the Cowboys.

Hehe, got a little of track but it's all good :laugh: .

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

Maycrock's a bit smug for my taste. Come's to the conversation with his agenda, hence I question his objectivity.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Well, I'd hate to rain on everyone's parade, but there is a chance for a draft to be somewhere between Boom and Bust.

To me, Boom/Bust implies that he's either assigning an A or an F. So, in some ways, he went out on a limb and said that this will not be looked back upon as an above-average (B), average (C), or below-average (D) draft...but either GREAT or HORRIBLE.

[Veretax]

Does anyone remember how awesome we were the season we had what was it 14 wins or something? I'd like to see JC get THAT on fire with these wideouts. Hello Dallas Hang em High around 50 points on that D LOL

[worstSeat]

I keep hearing fans and mediots alike continually say "there are concerns with his knees" like it's a mantra (or with fans it's "I've heard there are concerns with his knees")...but as you said, none of them explain exactly what that concern is and why it should be a concern. Fans say it to sound knowledgeble and the mediots say it because they always talk in short soundbites.

Well, and mediots (good term) say it because everyone else says it, effectively circling the wagons around themselves. If everyone's wrong, who can you fire? By repeating crap you haven't researched, you get to be lazy, still look like an expert, and have cover when everyone's wrong.

I hate ESPN.

[SonnyJ]

Well, I'd hate to rain on everyone's parade, but there is a chance for a draft to be somewhere between Boom and Bust.

To me, Boom/Bust implies that he's either assigning an A or an F. So, in some ways, he went out on a limb and said that this will not be looked back upon as an above-average (B), average (C), or below-average (D) draft...but either GREAT or HORRIBLE.

Yeah, that's how I took his commentary when I saw it.

He seemed to be indicating that there would be no middle ground. I found it strange, because he seems to be saying that each pick was a high risk. I would say that the fact they drafted 3 pass catchers, the risk is somewhat mitigated.

Really, I would be shocked if all 3 turned out to be dogs, moreso than if all 3 turned out to be studs. I actually think the chances are that at least one will turn out to be pretty good.

[artmonkforHOF]

If these 2 WR do not end up being a #1 and #3 WR respectively, then this draft could be a major bust.

Watchign the draft I was all giddy when Merling was still availbe at #21. skins go on the clock, I decide to take a pee break and when I come back WHAM! TRADE scrolls across my screen in big letters.

then seeing Merling go to Mia made me mad, the Thomas selection I understood but wasn't pleased with, and then after that it was a pure train wreck as far as i am concerned. I was using Mayocks list of top 100 players and after the draft checked a few more, and the fact that vinny said Davis was the BPA on their board at #48 scares me when the "expert" lists had at least 30 players rated above Davis still availble at #48.

I was not happy with this draft but I will give all our draftees a fair shot before I start saying how bad of a draft this was. I chalk it up to bad draft management which is evidnet by the questionable value in the trade to Atlanta, and the skins themselves admitting that 2 of the D lineman that they where looking at in the draft got picked right before their selection.

Anyalizing the draft, that could mean they where looking at a combo of Merling (went 32, our pick 34) T.Laws(47, ours 48) or C.Campbell(50,ours 51). Now if they wanted Merling and Laws, I think it was a mistake to trade out of 21 as Merling was long consiereded a top 20 pick that had only slipped due to the fact he could not work out. If they wanted Campbell then I think the Fred Davis pick was a mistake as he most likely would have been there at 51. I will give Zorn a pass on this draft seeing as it is his first, but if next years draft is managed in the same way I will be furious.

[ucfSKINS]

Yeah I watched his exclusive coverage of the Redskins draft earlier and thought what a ****ing joke.

here i sit in my cubicle, thinking "I can do that too, its like being a weather man" Its either going to rain or it isn't.

Freakin Idiot.:doh:

[onnie007]

I continue to be baffled by the garbage that "NFL experts" spew and no one calls them out on it


I agree. Mike Mayock literally said NOTHING in that piece.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

I agree. Mike Mayock literally said NOTHING in that piece.

Yeah another crappy review of the draft. I swear, there is no requirement to become a sportswriter in this country.

[mhearn]

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8081a270

Mayock reckons that this will either be a very good or very bad draft depending on how our 2nd rounders do - of course!
Having gone for the pass catchers early ahead of linemen is a high risk high reward strategy. I just think that at least one of them is going to turn out to be a player, and will make it worth it.

i also think the eagles and the cowboys draft class will be either really good or really bad depending on how the players play..i hate the safe comments these people make lol

[onnie007]

Anyalizing the draft, that could mean they where looking at a combo of Merling (went 32, our pick 34) T.Laws(47, ours 48) or C.Campbell(50,ours 51). Now if they wanted Merling and Laws, I think it was a mistake to trade out of 21 as Merling was long consiereded a top 20 pick that had only slipped due to the fact he could not work out. If they wanted Campbell then I think the Fred Davis pick was a mistake as he most likely would have been there at 51. I will give Zorn a pass on this draft seeing as it is his first, but if next years draft is managed in the same way I will be furious.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Laws is not beating out Golston or Montgomery on our roster. Campbell and his 5.03 second 40 time (a guy who ONLY has one move = speed rush) is not beating out Andre Carter. Merling is the only guy I wish we got but he went TWO picks ahead of us. This guy also has a hernia so there was a lot of risk in taking him. The rest of the players at DE/DT/CB/OL were 3rd round level players. Thats really what happened. After there was a run on OL/CB/DL in the first 18-19 picks in the first round there was a huge drop off in the remaining talent left in the draft. The FO did the right thing by picking up more picks and falling back to the 2nd round. They couldn't possibly pick guys who can't beat out our starters and are 3rd round caliber players while there are still 1st round level talent on the offensive side of the ball hanging around.

Its becoming evident that many Redskins watched the Giants run and now unsatisfied unless we start drafting a bunch of John Tucks and Osi Umenyioras. We got great value for our picks and are switching to a west coast offense. Keenan McCardell, Reche Cardwell and Brandon Lloyd are gone. Leaving Santana Moss, Antwaan Randle El, ......, ......., James Thrash & Anthony Mix. WR was a HUGE need for this new offense. How good would our WC offense be with Moss and ARE lining up on the outside and Thrash (special teamer) and Mix (unproven) as our slots recievers. What if one of them got hurt? Do we go to Horace Gant then? Can u imagine how mediocre the passing attack would be? You would see Moss doubled just like in the past, Portis getting tackled in the backfield and Cooley as the No. 1 recieving threat in red zone which by now every team in the NFL knows to key on him at that point. Plenty more field goals in the red zone for the Redskins in 2008. :doh: No we did exactly what we set out to do. Now have one 4-WR personnell group of Moss, ARE, Thomas & Kelly and another with MOSS, ARE, Cooley and Davis with both groups having Portis as the single back in the backfield. I believe Portis had over 1500 yards in his first 3 years in a similar offense. I am excited and you should be too.

[SeanTaylorthePunterSlayer]

There were a multitude of medical concerns about Adrian Peterson too. As for Mayock's notion that our draft will be judged largely by how our 2nd rounds pan out, JEEZ, ya think?
Way to go out on a limb, Mike.

LMAO :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

My sentiments exactly...

[Califan007]

Well, I'd hate to rain on everyone's parade, but there is a chance for a draft to be somewhere between Boom and Bust.

To me, Boom/Bust implies that he's either assigning an A or an F. So, in some ways, he went out on a limb and said that this will not be looked back upon as an above-average (B), average (C), or below-average (D) draft...but either GREAT or HORRIBLE.
Yeah, I took it that way as well. He wasn't quite saying "The Skins' draft might turn out to be good...then again, it might not."

[AKM311]

Guys, while the comment may seem dumb, I think the key part he didn't say (and he meant) was WR's are always risky while OL and DL are not. So I do agree with him, that our draft is very high risk and high reward. But if all 3 fail, we wasted a full draft.

[tonyriggins]

Well we did put all of our eggs into one basket! What if our reciever weren't as bad as people thought and it was more about the passers? We been trying to upgrade the recievers for awhile now seems like every year we make moves, why does it never work out? What is different about this year?

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Well we did put all of our eggs into one basket! What if our reciever weren't as bad as people thought and it was more about the passers? We been trying to upgrade the recievers for awhile now seems like every year we make moves, why does it never work out? What is different about this year?

Because we've been trying to throw money at guys like B.Lloyd, this year its different because we're building through the draft.