Dem Strategist says Michelle Obama bombshell could drop tomorrow...

[paige3girl]

Since I know I am one of the only people who watches Fox and Friends every morning, I found this VERY interesting when I heard it today from Bob Beckell, a Dem Strategist I have great respect for. He seemed very concerned about this rumor this morning while a guest on the show... he said it throw the election totally out of whack if it is indeed true and does come out..... thoughts?

http://greenroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/03/beckels-obama-bombshell/

Beckel’s Obama Bombshell (http://greenroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/03/beckels-obama-bombshell/)

by Alisyn Camerota
Were you watching at 6:25 when Democratic strategist Bob Beckel dropped a bomb on us? He said he’d heard through his political pipeline that a big shoe was about to drop on the Obama campaign. It has something to do with Michelle Obama. Beckel wouldn’t say anything more other than this explosive story may happen tomorrow. Do you think the GOP has something up its sleeve that could blow up Obama’s campaign? If so, when do you think they’ll unleash it?

[Burgundy Burner]

It really won't matter - Senator Obama is not electable. Should be interesting though.

[Kilmer17]

If it was the GOP who had this "bombshell" they certainly wouldnt put it out NOW. They'd wait until Sept/Oct.

These rumors have been around for months.

[paige3girl]

It really won't matter - Senator Obama is not electable. Should be interesting though.'

I am reading some of the blog comments.....

Comment by marshall g.[/url]
June 3rd, 2008 at 7:19 am (http://greenroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/03/beckels-obama-bombshell/#comment-25203) my sources say it was a speech that michelle obama gave at trinity church-
something referring to white honkies-






June 3rd, 2008 at 7:22 am ("]Comment by Marshall[url="http://greenroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/03/beckels-obama-bombshell/#comment-25204) It is the “whitey” video!

Michelle O is said to blast this country and blame all the problems of the world on whitey. She was with Farrakhan and Wright when she gave the talk.

[gbear]

She's a Muslim? :doh:

What a great way to attack...just say there will be something about her you won't like..then if it's true you look smart...if it's not, it's forgotten.

Remember when the press reported the news instead of trying to make it? I miss that time.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

paige, you're up early and on a political kick this morning, huh.

i think i'll wait until something actually happens, and then i'll decide if its significant or not.

In the last month, I've also heard that Bill Clinton had an affair with a transvestite before Gennifer Flowers, and that Hillary Clinton once killed a man.

These stories don't really go anywhere... though they are fun for the Tailgate.

but, like I said, if something comes out, I'll listen to all the evidence and decide if it really is as significant as Fox claims it is.

[paige3girl]

If it was the GOP who had this "bombshell" they certainly wouldnt put it out NOW. They'd wait until Sept/Oct.

These rumors have been around for months.

you are absolutely incorrect.....

tomorrow would be perfect, because tomorrow is when Hillary should drop out and begin to start working with Obama to bring the party back together. If something comes out that could really hurt the Obama campaign she will take it to the convention and try to win the nod.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

The "bombshell" is that Michelle Obama is "supposedly" on
a tape speaking at Trinity raving about "Whitey."

The tape was suppose to have been released yesterday.
We'll see.....

[Burgundy Burner]

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I am reading some of the blog comments.....

Comment by marshall g.
June 3rd, 2008 at 7:19 am (http://greenroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/03/beckels-obama-bombshell/#comment-25203) my sources say it was a speech that michelle obama gave at trinity church-
something referring to white honkies-


Comment by Marshall
June 3rd, 2008 at 7:22 am (http://greenroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/03/beckels-obama-bombshell/#comment-25204) It is the “whitey” video!

Michelle O is said to blast this country and blame all the problems of the world on whitey. She was with Farrakhan and Wright when she gave the talk.

If this is true, then the Obama campaign will implode.

[Spaceman Spiff]

This thread will be quickly discredited by the ES members who love to put down Fox News.

Anyway, what can be said about Michelle Obama that hasn't already been said? She's not a class act.

[Thiebear]

Hillary is on the 'verge' of getting kicked to the curb.
It's time to pull/throw the last card.

To either keep her in now.
Or help her get in 2012.

[paige3girl]

paige, you're up early and on a political kick this morning, huh.

i think i'll wait until something actually happens, and then i'll decide if its significant or not.

In the last month, I've also heard that Bill Clinton had an affair with a transvestite before Gennifer Flowers, and that Hillary Clinton once killed a man.

These stories don't really go anywhere... though they are fun for the Tailgate.

but, like I said, if something comes out, I'll listen to all the evidence and decide if it really is as significant as Fox claims it is.

lol... I am very political, I just try to not get to involved on here.... but yes, I do like Fox and Friends, I have a huge crush on Brian so I watch it everyday which is why I defended it in the other post. Even though I didn't see the clip, I have a pretty good idea of what it could be.


And while having my tea this morning I actually saw this segment and found it very interesting and thought it would be a good tid bit for the tailgate.

[CandaceM23]

I know that folks make mistakes sometimes, but how can you think that it's acceptable for someone to give a speech about "Whitey" when your husband holds a political office? Are people really that stupid to think that it won't get out and that the media isn't going to rip them to shreads?

[paige3girl]

Hillary is on the 'verge' of getting kicked to the curb.
It's time to pull/throw the last card.

To either keep her in now.
Or help her get in 2012.

I couldn't agree more, despite Beckell saying it was a GOP rumor. I have a feeling that the Clintons are behind it.


This thread will be quickly discredited by the ES members who love to put down Fox News.



oh I am sure the Fox News haters will come out in force. However, it should be pointed out that it was a Dem Strategist that made the comment.

[zoony]

Going to be a little more difficult to divorce her over Wright

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I find this story unbelievable simply because I don't know anyone who has used the word "Whitey" since 1977.

Apparently, Michelle Obama is a big Redd Foxx fan.

[zoony]

I find this story unbelievable simply because I don't know anyone who has used the word "Whitey" since 1977.

Apparently, Michelle Obama is a big Redd Foxx fan.


it does sound far fetched... I guess we'll see though.

[SUSkinsFan]

I'll believe it when I see it. I remember something a few months ago where Larry Flynt said he had a bombshell about a Republican candidate that he was going to release and lo and behold, nothing came of it.

[DGreenistheBest]

I'll believe it when I see it. I remember something a few months ago where Larry Flynt said he had a bombshell about a Republican candidate that he was going to release and lo and behold, nothing came of it.

QFT

[Buford]

Notice folks defending Foxnews without anybody attacking? Interesting.

I agree that if it were out there, the Hillary camp would have put it out a few months ago.

[mardi gras skin]

Rumor started by a Hillary backer and probably doesn't exist.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTRhY2I1Njg0YmUwNzMwODNhYTQ0OWI5OWVjZGNiNDI=

[zoony]

I of course don't want to jump ahead here... but I have been thinking a bit about how, if at all, my stance or opinion of Obama might change if this is true.

Fact is, if they DO produce a tape of Michelle Obama ranting about whitey and crackers and whatever... that'll be it for me. I'll be done. As of today I'm probably 55-45 Obama - McCain. If this is true it will go to 0-100.

But I digress, I give this about a 1 in 10 shot of having merit. Such is the news nowadays :doh:

[SparkleMotion]

If true, the Obama campaign will come to a screeching halt. If true, all the other stories will become legitimized again, and Obama will not have anything to say to defend himself.

[SUSkinsFan]

Notice folks defending Foxnews without anybody attacking? Interesting.You mean Faux news. Fake errrr Fix errr Fox news is a sham.

There ya go.:D

[Spaceman Spiff]

Well, I'm certainly crossing my fingers and hoping its true. It'll expose who she really is and those who like to sweep things under a rug and act like they're not bad will be forced to face the music.

Of course we'll have others who'll use the "out of context" defense :rolleyes:

[Smoot Point Really]

you are absolutely incorrect.....

tomorrow would be perfect, because tomorrow is when Hillary should drop out and begin to start working with Obama to bring the party back together. If something comes out that could really hurt the Obama campaign she will take it to the convention and try to win the nod.

I don't buy it... If it were the Republicans, they would want BHO running... They don't want to face HRC. If they have this type of "material", they want to see BHO and they don't really care how quickly he can dispatch HRC or not. It's to the Republicans benefit to face BHO.

I still don't believe it exists... If it exists and the Republicans have it, you won't see it until October. If it exists and the Democrats have it, it probably would've been aired by now. It's too early to play this type of card if you are a Republican.

[SUSkinsFan]

I still don't believe it exists... If it exists and the Republicans have it, you won't see it until October. If it exists and the Democrats have it, it probably would've been aired by now. It's too early to play this type of card if you are a Republican.Not if the plan is to try and extend the primary fight...

[Tastes Like Chicken]

I found this, take it FWIW.


The Michelle Tape (http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/6/1/235757/2325)


by BooMan (http://www.boomantribune.com/user/BooMan)
Sun Jun 1st, 2008 at 11:57:57 PM EST

My old friend, Larry Johnson (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/31/breaking-news-michelle%E2%80%99s-whitey-problem-thread-2/), knows about manipulating elections from his training with the Central Intelligence Agency. He doesn't want Obama to win the nomination for whatever reason, and he's in full propaganda mode to do everything he can to frighten the superdelegates. He claims to have a shocking tape of Michelle Obama ranting in some anti-white diatribe. He promises to produce this tape tomorrow at 9am.

From what I understand, it is a tape of Michelle Obama criticizing the Bush administration.

How you'd write it:


Why did Bush cut folks off medicaid?
Why did Bush let New Orleans drown?
Why did Bush do nothing about Jena?
Why did Bush put us in Iraq for no reason?

How you'd say it:


Why'd he cut folks off medicaid?
Why'd he let New Orleans drown?
Why'd he do nothing about Jena?
Why'd he put us in Iraq for no reason?

How Larry Johnson wants you to hear it:


Whitie cut folks off medicaid?
Whitie let New Orleans drown?
Whitie do nothing about Jena?
Whitie put us in Iraq for no reason?

I'm going to be honest with you. Both SusanHu and Larry Johnson have been friends of mine. They have both done a lot for me and I am grateful and indebted to them. Any issues I've had with their activities in this election I have kept private. I haven't visited their site in four months because I found it too personally painful to read what they were writing and I did not want to be tempted to respond. I thought I owed them that. But loyalty can only go so far. If they publish this allegation tomorrow, I will no longer speak with them. And I say that with great sorrow. This election has ruined a lot of friendships. I have tried hard not to let it ruin mine. But smears of this type are unforgivable. I have been forebearing. Perhaps, in retrospect, I have been too forebearing. That's all I say. This is too painful to me.






http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/6/1/235757/2325

[zoony]

Well I guess the clincher will be whether Michelle admits it or not. Or if anyone else was in the room, etc.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Not if the plan is to try and extend the primary fight...
If this tape rumor is legit the primary fight won't be extended.
It will end it....in Hillary's favor.

[Buford]

I of course don't want to jump ahead here... but I have been thinking a bit about how, if at all, my stance or opinion of Obama might change if this is true.

Fact is, if they DO produce a tape of Michelle Obama ranting about whitey and crackers and whatever... that'll be it for me. I'll be done. As of today I'm probably 55-45 Obama - McCain. If this is true it will go to 0-100.

But I digress, I give this about a 1 in 10 shot of having merit. Such is the news nowadays :doh:


Here is my offer to you.

Drop Obama now.

I'm not saying go with McCain.

I'm saying look at the 3rd parties on the ballot and pick one that closest represents what you believe. Even though this person has no chance to win. The goal is to get as many votes away from the 2 fat whores aka GOP/DEM.

[zoony]

Here is my offer to you.

Drop Obama now.

I'm not saying go with McCain.

I'm saying look at the 3rd parties on the ballot and pick one that closest represents what you believe. Even though this person has no chance to win. The goal is to get as many votes away from the 2 fat whores aka GOP/DEM.


I've never been a big fan of that strategy. I always try to pick one or the other.

If the election were today I'd vote Obama.

[paige3girl]

TLC -- I have seen a couple things about that this morning as well about how the video is all about how it is perceived. I think this is a very valid point however I think people are going to hear it how they want to hear it, you know?

[Buford]

I've never been a big fan of that strategy. I always try to pick one or the other.

If the election were today I'd vote Obama.

You're so close in-between the two. You must be a moderate on some level.

You don't believe we need more than 2 real choices?

[daveakl]

link no workie

[Burgundy Burner]

Personally, I hope it doesn't exist.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I found this, take it FWIW.


The Michelle Tape (http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/6/1/235757/2325)


by BooMan (http://www.boomantribune.com/user/BooMan)
Sun Jun 1st, 2008 at 11:57:57 PM EST

My old friend, Larry Johnson (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/31/breaking-news-michelle%E2%80%99s-whitey-problem-thread-2/), knows about manipulating elections from his training with the Central Intelligence Agency. He doesn't want Obama to win the nomination for whatever reason, and he's in full propaganda mode to do everything he can to frighten the superdelegates. He claims to have a shocking tape of Michelle Obama ranting in some anti-white diatribe. He promises to produce this tape tomorrow at 9am.

From what I understand, it is a tape of Michelle Obama criticizing the Bush administration.

How you'd write it:


Why did Bush cut folks off medicaid?
Why did Bush let New Orleans drown?
Why did Bush do nothing about Jena?
Why did Bush put us in Iraq for no reason?

How you'd say it:


Why'd he cut folks off medicaid?
Why'd he let New Orleans drown?
Why'd he do nothing about Jena?
Why'd he put us in Iraq for no reason?

How Larry Johnson wants you to hear it:


Whitie cut folks off medicaid?
Whitie let New Orleans drown?
Whitie do nothing about Jena?
Whitie put us in Iraq for no reason?

I'm going to be honest with you. Both SusanHu and Larry Johnson have been friends of mine. They have both done a lot for me and I am grateful and indebted to them. Any issues I've had with their activities in this election I have kept private. I haven't visited their site in four months because I found it too personally painful to read what they were writing and I did not want to be tempted to respond. I thought I owed them that. But loyalty can only go so far. If they publish this allegation tomorrow, I will no longer speak with them. And I say that with great sorrow. This election has ruined a lot of friendships. I have tried hard not to let it ruin mine. But smears of this type are unforgivable. I have been forebearing. Perhaps, in retrospect, I have been too forebearing. That's all I say. This is too painful to me.






http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/6/1/235757/2325

Well, if that's true I hope they DO release the tape, and then Obama destroys its credibility, and shows it to be doctored.

[SKINS@THEGOALLINE]

There was a time when elections were about the canidates and issues important to the public. I think if a "bombshell did exist, the Clinton camp would have aired it months ago.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

TLC -- I have seen a couple things about that this morning as well about how the video is all about how it is perceived. I think this is a very valid point however I think people are going to hear it how they want to hear it, you know?

Well, if the video exists, and follows the transcript in that article, then I will lmao at the lame smear attempt. If the video exists then I want to hear the entire thing, not a 10-second sound bite or the "why'd he/whitey" looped over and over. And then I'll make my judgement, after I've seen all the facts.

Will there be people who still hear what they want to hear? Sure. But I doubt those people would've ever voted for Obama anyways.

There's even a fake video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOufWYodCc8) on youtube. :doh:

[SKINS@THEGOALLINE]

There was a time when elections were about the canidates and issues important to the public. I think if a "bombshell" did exist, the Clinton camp would have aired it months ago.

[paige3girl]

Well, if that's true I hope they DO release the tape, and then Obama destroys its credibility, and shows it to be doctored.

I don't think its doctored.... I think, as I said before, its going to be all in how people choose to hear it.

[paige3girl]

Will there be people who still hear what they want to hear? Sure. But I doubt those people would've ever voted for Obama anyways.



I couldn't agree more...

[zoony]

You don't believe we need more than 2 real choices?


Maybe so, but I'm still not willing to throw my vote away. And although additional choices are never a bad thing, I think the 2 party system does have merits.

I typically vote Dem in local/state elections and GOP in presidential races.

I told myself going into this election that there was no way I'd vote Republican, just because Wash needed a change after 8 years of incompetence and corruption.

However... when McCain got the nomination, I perked up a little, b/c most of the hard-line GOPers hate the guy :D . I like what he's talked about so far, with his stance on immigration, the environment, and especially spending.

But what it comes down to is I'd still rather not vote for a Republican, b/c I fear at the end of the day it will be more of the same :( . So in my eyes, this is Obama's election to lose.

So this tape, if true, will eliminate Obama as an option for me. I've defended him against all the Rev. Wright attacks / Muslim chain emails / association with 1960's 'terrorists' / etc. Because I think that's all BS. But I will wash my hands if this is true.

[PiLfan]

this is 2008, if it hasn't already been posted on youtube then it probably doesn't exist... :D

[Johnny Punani]

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I am reading some of the blog comments.....

Comment by marshall g.
June 3rd, 2008 at 7:19 am (http://greenroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/03/beckels-obama-bombshell/#comment-25203) my sources say it was a speech that michelle obama gave at trinity church-
something referring to white honkies-





Comment by Marshall
June 3rd, 2008 at 7:22 am (http://greenroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/03/beckels-obama-bombshell/#comment-25204) It is the “whitey” video!

Michelle O is said to blast this country and blame all the problems of the world on whitey. She was with Farrakhan and Wright when she gave the talk.

If true, Obama is done...

[McMetal]

Why did he even marry that uptight *****?

She is a HUGE liability...

I will never forgive him or her or the Superdelegates if they blow this election.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

This is from a conservative website, so their candidate would obviously benefit from a video with such racist comments:


Why Does Anyone Believe Larry C. Johnson? (http://sweetness-light.com/archive/why-does-anyone-believe-larry-c-johnson)

The latest nonsense from Larry “Crazy” Johnson’s disinformation site, No Quarter (http://noquarterusa.net/):

[Larry Johnson article]

We have refrained from commenting on this preposterous rumor because it is such a transparent ploy from a man who is (in my opinion) a notorious America-hating buffoon and pathological liar.

Apparently, many people on the internet have the memory spans of mayflies.





But lest we forget, and as I pointed out in another venue, this the same Larry Johnson who insisted that the US had nothing to worry about from terrorism (http://tinyurl.com/36jy2b) — in the July 20, 2001 edition of the New York Times:
The Declining Terrorist Threat





By LARRY C. JOHNSON

July 10, 2001

Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism.

None of these beliefs are based in fact… I hope for a world where facts, not fiction, determine our policy. While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way.









This is the same Larry Johnson who said this about Osama Bin Laden in a Fall, 2000 interview with PBS (http://tinyurl.com/4jrbw7):
So, we recognize that he’s the threat. He’s serious about wanting to kill Americans, but as long as he’s in Afghanistan, as long as he doesn’t have access to a cell phone, as long as he can’t just hop on a plane and travel wherever he wants without fear of being arrested, his ability to plan and conduct terrorist operations is extremely limited. We have to recognize [that] he would like to do a lot of damage. He would like to kill Americans, but wanting to is different from being able to, having the full capabilities in place.







This is the same Larry Johnson who claims “big tobacco” is a bigger threat (http://tinyurl.com/48r3su) to our country’s security than is terrorism.

This is the same Larry Johnson who works with Ray McGovern and other turncoats to try to get intelligence officers to betray their country (http://tinyurl.com/47zkpq).

This is the same Larry Johnson who has threatened people online (http://tinyurl.com/3vgz8o) for posting about his brilliant career.

This is the same Larry Johnson who vouched for Valerie Plame (http://tinyurl.com/3m8z5c) and Joe Wilson, along every step of their shameful race to the gutter. (Indeed, no lie was too preposterous (http://tinyurl.com/4bssr2).)





This is the same Larry Johnson who vouched (http://tinyurl.com/42o9zb) for the story that Karl Rove had been indicted (http://tinyurl.com/4xka4u):
Democratic Underground - Larry Johnson “Leopold Had Multiple Sources”





Larry Johnson

Sun May-14-06 02:17 AM

It is not just Jason Leopold. Joe Wilson heard the same from other sources. And, more importantly, Jason is reporting based on multiple, more than two, sources. His editors realized what a big story this is and did the appropriate checking before posting. They are called Truth Out for a reason. Getting the truth out.









This is the same Larry Johnson who said that Karl Rove’s mother, who committed suicide in 1981, killed herself because of her son (http://tinyurl.com/3ng45h):
Karl is a shameless bastard. Small wonder his mother killed herself. Once she discovered what a despicable soul she had spawned she apparently saw no other way out. It would be one thing if his vile tactics were simply mere smears of politicians like Kerry and Murtha. They are big boys and should be able to defend themselves quite ably against this turd.







In other words, this man is (in my opinion) a lunatic who will say or do anything for attention.

And yet so many are willing to believe his latest gibberings. Why is that?

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/why-does-anyone-believe-larry-c-johnson

[mardi gras skin]

But what it comes down to is I'd still rather not vote for a Republican, b/c I fear at the end of the day it will be more of the same.

I like a split government. Which ever party has a majority in congress, I'd rather have the other party in the white house.

[SUSkinsFan]

I like a split government. Which ever party has a majority in congress, I'd rather have the other party in the white house.I like certain aspects of the British Parliamentary system. It streamlines how things get done but it would never work here.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I like a split government. Which ever party has a majority in congress, I'd rather have the other party in the white house.

Then vote for Obama and whatever Republicans you want in Congress. :)

[DarrellsMyHero28]

I like a split government. Which ever party has a majority in congress, I'd rather have the other party in the white house.

Ahh, a breath of fresh air.

I totally agree.

The beauty of the US government lies in its checks and balences. The fact is, neither party is right on everything. The Republicans have their strengths and weakness and so do the Democrats. Only by working together, or at least balencing each other out, will this country succeed.

[Prosperity]

Well, I'm certainly crossing my fingers and hoping its true. It'll expose who she really is and those who like to sweep things under a rug and act like they're not bad will be forced to face the music.

Of course we'll have others who'll use the "out of context" defense :rolleyes:


You are as bad as all the hacks your criticize. Why do you hope that someone is a bad person? How do you know who she really is, if you base who she really is on reports that may or may not even be true. The truth in politics is that everyone is full of ****, even the people complaining about politicians.

[Zguy28]

I like Bob Beckel. Not only does he know how to dish it out when appropriate, he also isn't just another party hack.

His column with Cal Thomas is good too.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

I like certain aspects of the British Parliamentary system. It streamlines how things get done but it would never work here.

Heh, go sit in on a session in Parliament.

If someone in the US Congress said some of the stuff they say in there...they'd be shot.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Ahh, a breath of fresh air.

I totally agree.

The beauty of the US government lies in its checks and balences. The fact is, neither party is right on everything. The Republicans have their strengths and weakness and so do the Democrats. Only by working together, or at least balencing each other out, will this country succeed.

Don't forget that the third branch is controlled by Republicans at the moment as well... so voting for republicans in either the executive or legislative branch would tip the scales in their favor. :)

[zoony]

I like a split government. Which ever party has a majority in congress, I'd rather have the other party in the white house.


I'm kind of the same... so that would favor a GOP pres. Problem is though, I think the GOP Congress + White House that existed for so long threw it all out of balance

[SUSkinsFan]

Heh, go sit in on a session in Parliament.

If someone in the US Congress said some of the stuff they say in there...they'd be shot.Oh I know, I took a European gov't class and we spent a day watching tapes from Parliament when Major was still PM. Some of the funniest things I have seen.

Robin Williams said it best when he said the House of Commons is like Congress with a 2 drink minimum.

[mardi gras skin]

I'm kind of the same... so that would favor a GOP pres. Problem is though, I think the GOP Congress + White House that existed for so long threw it all out of balance

I agree. It was awful. But I don't think balance will be achieved with more one party governance.

McCain and a democratic congress sounds good to me right now. In 4 to 8 years, Obama and a republican congress might be even better.

[paige3girl]

McCain and a democratic congress sounds good to me right now. In 4 to 8 years, Obama and a republican congress might be even better.

If Obama doesn't win now, I don't think he will be able to recover and run in 4 to 8 years. However, I do think it is very realistic that the Democrats will pick up upwards of 18-20 seats in House and 4-6 seats in the Senate, no matter who the president is. Of course its hard to tell now, but I think a lot of people will be disenfranchised with whomever the Dem Presidential candidate is and vote McCain but will vote for their local Dem candidates for the House and Senate.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

So you guys who are for split government like the democratic congress and republican president going now? A lot is getting done?

[paige3girl]

So you guys who are for split government like the democratic congress and republican president going now? A lot is getting done?

I think there needs to be more of a majority in Congress. Right now the Dems do not have enough control in Congress... if my above theory holds true I think a split might be more effective. I am also not to sure of the current leadership, especially with regard to Pelosi. But that is a whole conversation in itself.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Believe it or not, I tend to prefer a split government as well.

My worry is that the Bush White House has been such an unprecendetend cluster-f that I think we need a few years dramatically in the other direction to get things back in order.

If this was 2000 and we had just had 8 years of Clinton, I would consider McCain because I think McCain is a rational human being. I can't reward the Republicans in 2008 though. Just can't.

[NoCalMike]

I am willing to be that whatever it is, it has nothing at all to do with any policy issues Barack Obama has talked about, nor has any bearing on how he would run the united states as President, but it will still get top billing on every single cable news network non-stop for about a month.

[MDRedskinsFan]

So you guys who are for split government like the democratic congress and republican president going now? A lot is getting done?Much more was getting done when Republicans were in total control. The Clinton years were such a success because of the split, and the fact Clinton was willing to compromise on anything. Bush won't compromise, and neither will this Congress, so it isn't a good setup period. On the other hand, McCain is known to cross party lines, much like Bill, to get things done. McCain with a Democratic Congress would be much more effective than Obama with a Republican Congress. If the latter happened, I don't think you'd see much of a change from today.:2cents:

[DarrellsMyHero28]

So you guys who are for split government like the democratic congress and republican president going now? A lot is getting done?

Doesn't count right now, Bush is a lame duck and Congress is trying to keep him from doing any more damage before November.

[Corcaigh]

If indeed she is saying "why'd he" and observers state that she is using a racist term 'whitey' when there is no evidence to support it, those observers should be sued for defamation. The First Amendment doesn't cover every speech.

[techboy]

Then vote for Obama and whatever Republicans you want in Congress. :)


Don't forget that the third branch is controlled by Republicans at the moment as well... so voting for republicans in either the executive or legislative branch would tip the scales in their favor. :)

:laugh: Nice try...


So you guys who are for split government like the democratic congress and republican president going now? A lot is getting done?

Some of us believe that government is at its best when nothing is getting done.

The less the better, I say.

Looks like the Founding Fathers may have agreed... they're the ones who set it up so that gridlock was almost inevitable...

[Duckus]

This rumor has been going around for a while. Some right wing (FAR right wing) websites are claiming that there is a tape of Michelle Obama using the term “whitey” on it. Lot of people claim it is coming out this week. However, not one person who has actually seen it has ever commented on it. Just a lot of people who say they know someone who says they have seen it and are there confidential sources. I doubt it is true but who knows.

They would be complete idiots to release it now. Now would only make HRC the Presidential nominee and would still probably beat McCain. If they had this tape, which they don’t, they would use it a few weeks after Obama won the nomination at the convention.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Much more was getting done when Republicans were in total control. The Clinton years were such a success because of the split, and the fact Clinton was willing to compromise on anything. Bush won't compromise, and neither will this Congress, so it isn't a good setup period. On the other hand, McCain is known to cross party lines, much like Bill, to get things done. McCain with a Democratic Congress would be much more effective than Obama with a Republican Congress. If the latter happened, I don't think you'd see much of a change from today.:2cents:

I think both candidates would reach across the party line to get things done. Obama has campaigned with a message of doing just that- and names Republicans that he'd want help from like Lugar, Warner, Coburn, etc.

I guess I'm in the minority but I feel we have the 2 best candidates for President.

BTW just saw on CNN, Hillary officials say she will concede tonight.

[SUSkinsFan]

BTW just saw on CNN, Hillary officials say she will concede tonight.Is this too soon? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHCL6-GqyRk)

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Is this too soon? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHCL6-GqyRk

Dude, too funny I've been waiting to post the same damn thing!

You bastard!

[Smoot Point Really]

I'm kind of the same... so that would favor a GOP pres. Problem is though, I think the GOP Congress + White House that existed for so long threw it all out of balance

Existed for so long? When GWB became President, Jim Jeffords switched parties and the GOP no longer controlled the Senate. In 2002, the Republicans won control of the legislative and executive branches. In 2006, the House went to the Democrats... Basically... "So long" means 4 years.

[Ford]

Oh I know, I took a European gov't class and we spent a day watching tapes from Parliament when Major was still PM. Some of the funniest things I have seen.

Robin Williams said it best when he said the House of Commons is like Congress with a 2 drink minimum.

If you think a very substantial percentage of Congressmen aren't good and buzzed on the floor late in the day (especially late in the week) ... you'd be surprised. Ask anyone who has ever clerked.

[CounterTrey75]

Well, if the video exists, and follows the transcript in that article, then I will lmao at the lame smear attempt. If the video exists then I want to hear the entire thing, not a 10-second sound bite or the "why'd he/whitey" looped over and over. And then I'll make my judgement, after I've seen all the facts.

Will there be people who still hear what they want to hear? Sure. But I doubt those people would've ever voted for Obama anyways.

There's even a fake video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOufWYodCc8) on youtube. :doh:


Noooooooooo!!! You got me! That's my first time being Rick Rolled. Noooooooooo!:mad:

[Smoot Point Really]

Why isn't this tape on Ebay? I'd be auctioning it off to the highest bidder...

[paige3girl]

However, not one person who has actually seen it has ever commented on it. Just a lot of people who say they know someone who says they have seen it and are there confidential sources. I doubt it is true but who knows.

They would be complete idiots to release it now. Now would only make HRC the Presidential nominee and would still probably beat McCain. If they had this tape, which they don’t, they would use it a few weeks after Obama won the nomination at the convention.

What would the GOP gained from letting it out early?? It would actually make more sense for them to put it out now just before Hillary drops out and is forced to throw some sort of support to Obama for party unity. This would give her the perfect opportunity to stay in the race and fight for super-delegates thus continuing the party divide for a few more months until the convention.

[Duckus]

What would the GOP gained from letting it out early?? It would actually make more sense for them to put it out now just before Hillary drops out and is forced to throw some sort of support to Obama for party unity. This would give her the perfect opportunity to stay in the race and fight for super-delegates thus continuing the party divide for a few more months until the convention.

The divide is not as damaging as people think. The “tape” described by these bloggers is a once in a life time political tape, you don’t use it to “continue” the primary, you use it to absolutely destroy your opponent. If you release the tape now, super delegates go to Clinton in droves, some switching from Obama to Clinton and Clinton wins the nomination. She is a strong candidate regardless of what people think of her and would probably beat McCain in a head-to-head race.

Now, if they wait until a few weeks after the convention and Obama is locked in as the nominee. Then there is nothing anyone can do is all hell breaks loose. If the “tape” comes out at that point he becomes unelectable and McCain wins by enormous amounts.

If they release the tape now Clinton is the nominee and the election is still a toss up, with Clinton as the slight favorite. If the tape is released much later it is a guaranteed McCain victory. That’s why you wait.

However, the tape is not real so all, I cannot stress that enough. It is all part of a steady on-line campaign to paint Obama as a Muslim, white hating man. Stir the pot, get people to talk about it, eventually it does not matter if it is true or not people will just start to believe it.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

The Hillary campaign just denied the AP report. Apparently, now she won't concede.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

The Hillary campaign just denied the AP report. Apparently, now she won't concede.

She's going to be standing on the Capitol steps in January screaming "Popular vote! States that matter! White voters!"

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

She's going to be standing on the Capitol steps in January screaming "Popular vote! States that matter! White voters!"
:laugh: :laugh: :applause:

[gortiz]

I find this story unbelievable simply because I don't know anyone who has used the word "Whitey" since 1977.

Apparently, Michelle Obama is a big Redd Foxx fan.


Redd fox fan??? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

very nice LKB, very nice.

YOU BIG DUMMY.

[Koolblue13]

I still have faith the HRC will be the next POTUS. I like the Clintons as much, if not less than Bush, but I would still put money on her for the win.

[JMS]

Do you think the GOP has something up its sleeve that could blow up Obama’s campaign? If so, when do you think they’ll unleash it?

The republicans stooping to swift boating somebody.... They wouldn't do that would they?


Personally I think with as politically weak and discredited Republicans are Michelle Obama could be pictured with a red berette, with a soviet flag in the background wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt; and I still don't think it would hurt Obama's chances significantly....

The Republicans have just too much of a track record of fanning smoke where no fire exists. It's just understood they would say anything and do anything to win re-election. Kerry awarded himself a silver star, a bronze star, and three purple hearts. Indeed..

Besides, if such a picture existed, you can be sure Hillary would have found it and used it long before today.

[Thiebear]

Apparently this Guy was a Leftie that lost his way?
Once he went against Obama he is dead to them.
Kinda like Scott...

Lunies to the left of them, crazies to the right.

[paige3girl]

The republicans stooping to swift boating somebody.... They wouldn't do that would they?


Personally I think with as politically weak and discredited Republicans are Michelle Obama could be pictured with a red berette, with a soviet flag in the background wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt; and I still don't think it would hurt Obama's chances significantly....

The Republicans have just too much of a track record of fanning smoke where no fire exists. It's just understood they would say anything and do anything to win re-election. Kerry awarded himself a silver star, a bronze star, and three purple hearts. Indeed..

Besides, if such a picture existed, you can be sure Hillary would have found it and used it long before today.

for the record, that was not my quote.... that was party of the blog entry.

[Midnight Judges]

This isn't the first time in this election cycle a Republican has posted a thread saying "something is going to come out that is going to validate Republicans."

None of them have manifested themselves.

Still waiting for Sarge's evidence that Iraq's WMDs went to Syria.

My point is this: Why would a Republican news agency try and make a splash by saying they expect something to come out? Why not wait for it to come out and then report? Does this sort of BS provide validation in the minds of the Republican base for unvalidated accusations while simultaneously letting FOX news off the hook for once again reporting something that it utterly false?

[JMS]

you are absolutely incorrect.....

tomorrow would be perfect, because tomorrow is when Hillary should drop out and begin to start working with Obama to bring the party back together. If something comes out that could really hurt the Obama campaign she will take it to the convention and try to win the nod.


I think Hillary has loaned her campagne 5 million dollars, and her campagne is in debt twice that amount. Part of the negotiations between the Obama campagne and the Clinton campagne is Obama helping Hillary pay back her campagne debt....

If hillary's fingerprints are all over the Michelle Obama scandal, I think she can forget Obama's help on debt releif, she can also forget future democratic nomination....

I have to believe the best time to leak this tape if you were hillary would have been 8 weeks ago. Just after Rev Wright scandal had peaked and was receeeding, if it existed.

I think it's likely with the Republican brand in crisis(*) and the party on the verge of collapse; that Republicans are imaging some sort of miracle which can lift their chances and return their fortunes... It's still about denying reality in that party..


(*) Since the 2006 elections there have been three special elections to replace congresmen in Washington... all three were considered safe republican seats. Denny Hastert(R) held his seat for 30 years and retired in 2006 for example, Bush won his district by a margin of almost 20% back in 2004. Another seat was from Mississippi which the republican's held for 24 years and Bush easily took in 2004. The Republicans lost all three special elections... As of a month ago John McCain had raised 40 million dollars for his Presidential nomination. As of a month ago Hillary and Obama had each out raised him by about 5x that number for a total of about 420 million dollars raised combined... The Republican brand is indeed in crisis.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/14/AR2008051403611.html?hpid=topnews

[zoony]

Existed for so long? When GWB became President, Jim Jeffords switched parties and the GOP no longer controlled the Senate. In 2002, the Republicans won control of the legislative and executive branches. In 2006, the House went to the Democrats... Basically... "So long" means 4 years.


so remind me again how many times Bush has exercised veto?

[Tulane Skins Fan]

If hillary's fingerprints are all over the Michelle Obama scandal, I think she can forget Obama's help on debt releif, she can also forget future democratic nomination....

Isn't it amazing how Hillary and her supporters all feel like Obama has wronged her in some way? I can't imagine what they would be saying if the shoe was on the other foot during this entire campaign.

[MDRedskinsFan]

If Hillary were linked to this video, period, it would be the end for her too. Why do you think Bill and Hillary have flat out said "Obama can't win in November?" It's because of something to this magnitude, but they want to be the beneficiaries, and wait for the GOP to release it. If the Clintons release it, then they're dead, and so is their party for that matter, because people would hate both Obama and Clinton.

[Thiebear]

The same guy is saying another group saying he's wrong. they are saying
Why'd he do this and
Why'd he do that.....



Two key points–First, the Obama campaign is admitting the tape exists by ponying up a bogus explanation. Second, they don’t dispute that Michelle is sitting at the table with Louis Farrakhan.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Much more was getting done when Republicans were in total control. The Clinton years were such a success because of the split, and the fact Clinton was willing to compromise on anything. Bush won't compromise, and neither will this Congress, so it isn't a good setup period. On the other hand, McCain is known to cross party lines, much like Bill, to get things done. McCain with a Democratic Congress would be much more effective than Obama with a Republican Congress. If the latter happened, I don't think you'd see much of a change from today.:2cents:

Surely, you are entitled to that opinion. Personally, I viewed McCain the same way in 2000, but not anymore. Now, I see him as the same hard-liner as Bush, and I see his policies as all but equal as well.

My two cents, the guy wants to be President, and has witnessed Bush win two general elections. He's following the formula W laid out.

But that's just me.

[Skins Zombie]

Hmmmm....

If this tape is legit... I have a wonderful question for all of you wonderful people.

If this clown made comments that include racial slurs against white people on tape and is taking the whole BS "white people are devils" Farrakhan line...

Will you wonderful people who of course think double standards are awful be just as insanely outraged as if perhaps lets say..... McCain stood up and called Obama a filthy N*****?

I would guess you would not. It seems ok in our culture to spew racial slurs and offensive language at white people but not ok to do the same at anyone else. One example I just love is the live shows of Chris Rock... now I get its comedy but just imagine how a white man would be crucified for doing even just a stand up comedy routine that included racial slurs left and right against minorities...

Anyone remember the greaseman? Yes he was a no talent hack I agree but still...

Imus anyone and then Sharpton on the radio two days later talking about "white devils" ?

Hmmm... makes one wonder..

ZOMBIE

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Hmmmm....

If this tape is legit... I have a wonderful question for all of you wonderful people.

If this clown made comments that include racial slurs against white people on tape and is taking the whole BS "white people are devils" Farrakhan line...

Will you wonderful people who of course think double standards are awful be just as insanely outraged as if perhaps lets say..... McCain stood up and called Obama a filthy N*****?

I would guess you would not. It seems ok in our culture to spew racial slurs and offensive language at white people but not ok to do the same at anyone else. One example I just love is the live shows of Chris Rock... now I get its comedy but just imagine how a white man would be crucified for doing even just a stand up comedy routine that included racial slurs left and right against minorities...

Anyone remember the greaseman? Yes he was a no talent hack I agree but still...

Imus anyone and then Sharpton on the radio two days later talking about "white devils" ?

Hmmm... makes one wonder..

ZOMBIE

it sounds like its a little early to take this tape seriously.

if you want to talk double standards, why don't you ask yourself what you would do if there was a tape of Cindy McCain calling someone the n-word what you would say. Because right now, that's about all we have... a claim of a tape.

[JMS]

Isn't it amazing how Hillary and her supporters all feel like Obama has wronged her in some way? I can't imagine what they would be saying if the shoe was on the other foot during this entire campaign.

Hillary's lost a lot of special deligates to Obama in the last months. Her campagne has been savaged by defectors who could read the writting on the wall. If those defections had not occured Hillary would still be leading due to an overwhelming support among special deligates. I think part of the "wronged" line of reasoning was to shore up defections by villifying the oponent.

The Clinton's are realists. The margin between Obama and Clinton is thin enough that it's possible to make the case Hillary should be the nominee. Problem is the margin is also large enough to be definative to the majority of Democrates.... I think attempting to villify Obama is also a combination of sour grapes in a hard fought election and coming to terms with the defeat.

I think Hillary is a sophisticated political operator who will quickly realize it's in her best interest to help heal the party as quickly as possible, and as I said; Obama's help on campagne debt would help that process along..

In the end it's not clear to me whether being savaged by the republicans would be worse than being savaged by the Clinton's. We will see, but I think it's possible Hillary did Obama a great service by staying in the race and bringing up Farakan, Rev Wright and the Trinity Church scandals.

[skinstzar]

Hah, Bob Beckel, that guy is a trip. I play golf with him a couple times a year and have gotten to know him pretty well. The guy never stops talking. He is mega connected but I think everyone knows that Michelle Obama has some animosity towards white people.

[ChiefBigMeat]

I know that folks make mistakes sometimes, but how can you think that it's acceptable for someone to give a speech about "Whitey" when your husband holds a political office? Are people really that stupid to think that it won't get out and that the media isn't going to rip them to shreads?

My God, this is why Fox News is a cancer.

They take a RUMOR and inject it into the public consciousness so people begin "debating" some total horsecrap so they can shape public opinion.

There are soo many people who watch this filth who are now telling people they meet, "Did you hear? Michelle Obama yelled 'Whitey" at Trinity!" Then, MAYBE, with a wink, "well, that's the rumor." wink wink

REMEMBER THIS: FOX IS NOT NEWS! .. but I guess as long as they have pretty people for viewers to develop a 'crush' on, they're going to keep going back :doh:

My God, what a travesty

[WVUforREDSKINS]

You know, my family is getting emails from around the country (mostly midwest) saying Obama is Bin Laden's sleeper cell and # 3 Operative and such. These emails mostly come from comout cousin's and relatives I have never heard of living in the midwest.

[Zguy28]

My God, this is why Fox News is a cancer.

They take a RUMOR and inject it into the public consciousness so people begin "debating" some total horsecrap so they can shape public opinion.

There are soo many people who watch this filth who are now telling people they meet, "Did you hear? Michelle Obama yelled 'Whitey" at Trinity!" Then, MAYBE, with a wink, "well, that's the rumor." wink wink

REMEMBER THIS: FOX IS NOT NEWS! .. but I guess as long as they have pretty people for viewers to develop a 'crush' on, they're going to keep going back :doh:

My God, what a travestyKind of like how CNN said today that Hillary was going to concede tonight.
Hillary has flat out denied it.

Yell it from the rooftops, I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!


:laugh:

[Predicto]

Did NO ONE read the post about what is supposedly in this deadly tape?

Michelle Obama saying: "Why did he cut off funding for Katrina..."

And paranoid people hearing "Whitey cut off funding for Katrina!!!!"


Sheesh.

Woody Allen did a great take on this.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=woody+allen+jew+annie+hall&hl=en&sitesearch=#

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Did NO ONE read the post about what is supposedly in this deadly tape?

Michelle Obama saying: "Why did he cut off funding for Katrina..."

And paranoid people hearing "Whitey cut off funding for Katrina!!!!"


Sheesh.

Woody Allen did a great take on this.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=woody+allen+jew+annie+hall&hl=en&sitesearch=#
It doesn't matter. Certain people are going to run with it regardless.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Kind of like how CNN said today that Hillary was going to concede tonight.
Hillary has flat out denied it.

Yell it from the rooftops, I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!


:laugh:

Look at FoxNews.com

They still have the headline:
AP: Clinton to Concede
Obama Has the Delegates (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/03/obama-poised-for-victory-as-clinton-weighs-options/)


FoxNews is garbage.

[RabidFan]

Surely, you are entitled to that opinion. Personally, I viewed McCain the same way in 2000, but not anymore. Now, I see him as the same hard-liner as Bush, and I see his policies as all but equal as well.

My two cents, the guy wants to be President, and has witnessed Bush win two general elections. He's following the formula W laid out.

But that's just me.


I couldn't agree more...the Maverick has gone to W formula and gone to the base, recanted any naysaying about Bush's policies and now supports them, and even Falwell for support....its a shame.

[Zguy28]

Look at FoxNews.com

They still have the headline:
AP: Clinton to Concede
Obama Has the Delegates (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/03/obama-poised-for-victory-as-clinton-weighs-options/)


FoxNews is garbage.I'm not denying that. However, they are not alone in the landfill.

[GoSkins561]

Well I guess the clincher will be whether Michelle admits it or not. Or if anyone else was in the room, etc.


Who like Farakhan?

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/02/michelle-obama-and-louis-farrakhan-take-on-whitey/

I learned over the weekend why the Republicans who have seen the tape of Michelle Obama ranting about “whitey” describe it as “STUNNING.” I have not seen it but I have heard from five separate sources who have spoken directly with people who have seen the tape. It features Michelle Obama and Louis Farrakhan. They are sitting on a panel at Jeremiah Wright’s Church when Michelle makes her intemperate remarks. Whoops!! When that image comes out it will enter the politcal ads hall of fame. It will be right up there with the little girl plucking daisy petals in the famous 1964 ad LBJ used against Barry Goldwater.

[Skins Zombie]

it sounds like its a little early to take this tape seriously.

if you want to talk double standards, why don't you ask yourself what you would do if there was a tape of Cindy McCain calling someone the n-word what you would say. Because right now, that's about all we have... a claim of a tape.


I was say hypothetically if its real. "IF". I make no assumption that this tape is real. I will wait like any sensible person to see if it is. Nothing wrong wth thoerizing and such until then. this is a message/opinion board after all where we all spend most of time on here talking out of our arses ;) No hard feelins bud.

If Cindy McCain did something like i would be horrified and would be calling for her head just as much as Obama's wife if she did what this claims.

You see there is no difference. Being a dirty racist is the same no matter what color you are. No matter what it makes you swine and worthy of abuse.

My issue is that it seems permissable and even funny in our society to make fun of and deride white people. Conversely doing the same to a minority if you are white will get you annihilated.

Does that seem right to you?

[DarrellsMyHero28]

I'm not denying that. However, they are not alone in the landfill.

Oh I know, in general TV news is crappy.

I just think its funny that Fox's tag line is "We Report, You Decide"

I take that to mean: "We Report (random crap that probably isn't true), You Decide (whether or not we just totally made that story up)"

:laugh:

But yeah, they're all garbage...it would be nice to be able to read news without opinionated facts.

[GoSkins561]

Did NO ONE read the post about what is supposedly in this deadly tape?

Michelle Obama saying: "Why did he cut off funding for Katrina..."

And paranoid people hearing "Whitey cut off funding for Katrina!!!!"


Sheesh.

Woody Allen did a great take on this.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=woody+allen+jew+annie+hall&hl=en&sitesearch=#


So you must have heard the tape?

[Predicto]

I was say hypothetically if its real. "IF". I make no assumption that this tape is real. I will wait like any sensible person to see if it is. Nothing wrong wth thoerizing and such until then. this is a message/opinion board after all where we all spend most of time on here talking out of our arses ;) No hard feelins bud.

If Cindy McCain did something like i would be horrified and would be calling for her head just as much as Obama's wife if she did what this claims.

You see there is no difference. Being a dirty racist is the same no matter what color you are. No matter what it makes you swine and worthy of abuse.

My issue is that it seems permissable and even funny in our society to make fun of and deride white people. Conversely doing the same to a minority if you are white will get you annihilated.

Does that seem right to you?

Paging Honorary_Hog. Paging Honorary_Hog. :)

[Predicto]

So you must have heard the tape?


Nope. Reading the same rumours as you.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Even if this tape never turns up I believe the rumors have had the desired effect.

[Skins Zombie]

Paging Honorary_Hog. Paging Honorary_Hog. :)


BUH.

that is all

[EersSkins05]

Even if this tape never turns up I believe the rumors have had the desired effect.

I was thinking that.

By the way, why in the hell would this come out tomorrow? The final primaries are today, in which Obama is expected to gain enough delegates and superdelegates to win the nomination.

If it's GOP released, later this summer or early fall is the prime time to release this. If it's Dems doing the damage, it would have been released weeks ago.

It makes no sense that would exist and not be produced by now.

[Byner21]

if you want to talk double standards, why don't you ask yourself what you would do if there was a tape of Cindy McCain calling someone the n-word what you would say. Because right now, that's about all we have... a claim of a tape.

Well, we do have McCain himself using the "g" word in reference to Asians (his Vietnamese captors) in 2000.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/02/18/MN32194.DTL

Brutal.

[EersSkins05]

Well, we do have McCain using the "g" word in reference to his (Vietnamese captors) in 2000.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/02/18/MN32194.DTL

Brutal.

Again, I don't think this tape exists, but I'll say that the difference between the two is vast, though. (And I'm an Obama guy.)

1) Vietnemese aren't a huge voting block in this country. White people are.

2) I know I wouldn't hold anything against McCain for being less than sensitive about the names he calls the specific people that TORTURED him.

I'd say he's earned that much.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Again, I don't think this tape exists, but I'll say that the difference between the two is vast, though. (And I'm an Obama guy.)

1) Vietnemese aren't a huge voting block in this country. White people are.

2) I know I wouldn't hold anything against McCain for being less than sensitive about the names he calls the specific people that TORTURED him.

I'd say he's earned that much.

Agree with your overall sentiment but he should stay away from racial slurs.

Though I might feel the same way if I'd been through what he had.

[Predicto]

Again, I don't think this tape exists, but I'll say that the difference between the two is vast, though. (And I'm an Obama guy.)

1) Vietnemese aren't a huge voting block in this country. White people are.

2) I know I wouldn't hold anything against McCain for being less than sensitive about the names he calls the specific people that TORTURED him.

I'd say he's earned that much.


I agree.

However, if his WIFE had said it, I never wuld have forgiven him. :laugh:

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Again, I don't think this tape exists, but I'll say that the difference between the two is vast, though. (And I'm an Obama guy.)

1) Vietnemese aren't a huge voting block in this country. White people are.

2) I know I wouldn't hold anything against McCain for being less than sensitive about the names he calls the specific people that TORTURED him.

I'd say he's earned that much.
I agree with you but like it says in the article "If some Nigerians tortured
you and you started referring to them with the n-word" that
wouldn't go over too well.

This is the same thing.

[Diggs]

Again, I don't think this tape exists, but I'll say that the difference between the two is vast, though. (And I'm an Obama guy.)

1) Vietnemese aren't a huge voting block in this country. White people are.

2) I know I wouldn't hold anything against McCain for being less than sensitive about the names he calls the specific people that TORTURED him.

I'd say he's earned that much.


Thats pretty much what i thought.

[Diggs]

I agree with you but like it says in the article "If some Nigerians tortured
you and you started calling the the n-word that wouldn't fly".

This is the same thing.

Its not the same thing. Thats called "spin."

[Byner21]

Again, I don't think this tape exists, but I'll say that the difference between the two is vast, though. (And I'm an Obama guy.)

1) Vietnemese aren't a huge voting block in this country. White people are.

2) I know I wouldn't hold anything against McCain for being less than sensitive about the names he calls the specific people that TORTURED him.

I'd say he's earned that much.

McCain's is a special situation, but I strongly disagree with your comment.

I just don't think it's ever OK to use those words, because they reflect on an entire ethnic group, even if only directed at specific individuals.

[Byner21]

I agree with you but like it says in the article "If some Nigerians tortured
you and you started referring to them with the n-word" that
wouldn't go over too well.

This is the same thing.


Its not the same thing. Thats called "spin."

How is it not the same thing?

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Its not the same thing. Thats called "spin."
Fine.....

[Diggs]

How is it not the same thing?


One involves one word, the other involves another word.


Lets see which of the 2 is acceptable to ES:.


Gook. ******.


See?

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

One involves one word, the other involves another word.


Lets see which of the 2 is acceptable to ES:.


Gook. ******.


See?
Perhaps Gook is acceptable to YOU. But there might be a few
of our fellow posters who wouldn't be thrilled to hear that
word.

[Diggs]

Perhaps Gook is acceptable to YOU. But there might be a few
of our fellow posters who wouldn't be thrilled to hear that
word.

I didnt say its acceptable to me. But i think John McCain can pretty much say whatever he wants about the people that TORTURED him for several years.

If you dont, thats fine. I hope you are just as outraged over Michelle Obama's racially charged comments.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I didnt say its acceptable to me. But i think John McCain can pretty much say whatever he wants about the people that TORTURED him for several years.

If you dont, thats fine.
Fair enough :cheers:

[Byner21]

One involves one word, the other involves another word.


Lets see which of the 2 is acceptable to ES:.


*. ******.


See?

Again, I disagree, and take offense.

Maybe I'm more sensitive because my wife is Filipino, but I don't think it's acceptable at all.

I will say that the n-word is generally regarded as worse, and I would tend to agree, especially given the ugly history of blacks' mistreatment in this country. But the g-word is not OK either.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

If you dont, thats fine. I hope you are just as outraged over Michelle Obama's racially charged comments.
You mean the "rumored" racial comments?

[Predicto]

What racially charged comments?


You know, the ones people are assuming she made.

[sith lord]

It wouldn't surprise me. Leave it to a black woman to bring down a black man. But have a feeling she didn't say whitey. She probably did say why'd he.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

It wouldn't surprise me. Leave it to a black woman to bring down a black man.
Not to hijack the thread but thats a hell of thing to say my man. :)

[sith lord]

Not to hijack the thread but thats a hell of thing to say my man. :)

Unfortunately, it's the truth. :D

[Koolblue13]

Being a racist isn't about any of the words you use, it's what is in your heart. Being tortured and held in a confinement camp for a few years might make you use some pretty nasty words to explain how you feel about your former captures.

I honestly think she doesn't like white people ie the man, but it doesn't really bother me. His clinging to guns and god comment did, but that's different.

[Diggs]

You mean the "rumored" racial comments?


She hasnt made any racial comments in the past?

"I don’t lose sleep over it, because the realities are that, you know, as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station, you know."

I guess white people are impervious to gunshots. :whoknows:

Point is, i didnt really blink an eye at either of them. But if you think one is an outrage, at least be consistent.

[Predicto]

She hasnt made any racial comments in the past?

"I don’t lose sleep over it, because the realities are that, you know, as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station, you know."

I guess white people are impervious to gunshots. :whoknows:


They certainly aren't impervious to hypersensitivity problems. :)

That comment you just quoted is not racist in the least.

[HogNose]

I find this story unbelievable simply because I don't know anyone who has used the word "Whitey" since 1977.

Apparently, Michelle Obama is a big Redd Foxx fan.

:laugh:

Anyway I can't imagine her actually saying "whitey". That is like someone saying "colored". If she is on tape ranting about "whitey" then it will be all over for Obama.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

If you dont, thats fine. I hope you are just as outraged over Michelle Obama's racially charged comments.

I've yet to hear any.

That's the funny thing. Michelle Obama is being turned into Malcolm X over things she has apparently never said.

[DjTj]

I didnt say its acceptable to me. But i think John McCain can pretty much say whatever he wants about the people that TORTURED him for several years.If McCain can say whatever he wants about the Asians because some of them tortured him for several years, does that mean Jesse Jackson can say whatever he wants about white people because some of them threw rocks and turned firehoses on him?

At what point is it okay to insult an entire racial group because of what a few of them did 30 or 40 years ago?

[Byner21]

If McCain can say whatever he wants about the Asians because some of them tortured him for several years, does that mean Jesse Jackson can say whatever he wants about white people because some of them threw rocks and turned firehoses on him?

At what point is it okay to insult an entire racial group because of what a few of them did 30 or 40 years ago?

Well said.

[PeterMP]

If McCain can say whatever he wants about the Asians because some of them tortured him for several years, does that mean Jesse Jackson can say whatever he wants about white people because some of them threw rocks and turned firehoses on him?

At what point is it okay to insult an entire racial group because of what a few of them did 30 or 40 years ago?

The comment by McCain was directed directly at the people that tortured him.

I myself wouldn't have much sympathy for people that threw rocks at Jesse Jackson and turned firehoses on him if he started throwing around deregetory terms to describe THEM.

[DjTj]

And seriously, I can't believe so many of you are defending McCain's use of the word gook. He hasn't said it at all in the past eight years, and he apologized soon after using the word in 2000:

McCain said his original use of the slur stemmed from the intense feelings he still harbors as a result of being imprisoned, held in solitary confinement and tortured so severely that he attempted suicide. Even now, he cannot raise his arms above his head because of the injuries he received.

``For 5 1/2 years, I was mistreated by Ho Chi Minh's henchmen. My fellow prisoners were treated even worse,'' McCain said in his statement. ``Although I will never forgive my prison guards for the atrocities they committed against my cellmates, I have always held the people of Vietnam in the highest regard and have worked in support of the Vietnamese-American community in this country at every opportunity.

``I will continue to condemn those who unfairly mistreated us. But out of respect to a great number of people whom I hold in very high regard, I will no longer use the term that has caused such discomfort.

I deeply regret any pain I may have caused by my choice of words. I apologize and renounce all language that is bigoted and offensive, which is contrary to all that I represent and believe,'' McCain said.

http://www.asianam.org/mccain.htm

We can understand where McCain is coming from, but that doesn't mean that he can just say whatever he wants ... He realizes it, and we should all realize that to.

[Duckus]

Hmmmm....

If this tape is legit... I have a wonderful question for all of you wonderful people.

If this clown made comments that include racial slurs against white people on tape and is taking the whole BS "white people are devils" Farrakhan line...

Will you wonderful people who of course think double standards are awful be just as insanely outraged as if perhaps lets say..... McCain stood up and called Obama a filthy N*****?

I would guess you would not. It seems ok in our culture to spew racial slurs and offensive language at white people but not ok to do the same at anyone else. One example I just love is the live shows of Chris Rock... now I get its comedy but just imagine how a white man would be crucified for doing even just a stand up comedy routine that included racial slurs left and right against minorities...

Anyone remember the greaseman? Yes he was a no talent hack I agree but still...

Imus anyone and then Sharpton on the radio two days later talking about "white devils" ?

Hmmm... makes one wonder..

ZOMBIE

Well since we are speaking in hypothetical situations with no basis of reality…..if McCain turns out in fact to be a transsexual Pilipino mud wrestler, as is proven in a tape that may or may not exist but I have heard about from a blogger on the internet, will Republicans then embrace transgender rights.

Your point about the double standard is also pretty weak right now. Yes, in comedy sometimes people say things that you normally can’t get away with in other circumstances. But look at Rev. Wright. Was his racism not FRONT PAGE NEWS? Was it not on every news channel for over a month? Did he not resign from his job, labeled (correct I might add) a racist by millions? There was pretty enormous outrage, it almost took down a Presidential candidate huge political numbers. That is pretty significant and shows a pretty fair level of outrage.

I am not going to try and say that in all instances the racial dynamic in America is fair. It is true, black comedians can say some pretty crazy things and get away with it. But as far as politics go, the double standard is not that as big as you claim.

[Buford]

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTRhY2I1Njg0YmUwNzMwODNhYTQ0OWI5OWVjZGNiNDI=


Monday, June 02, 2008



BARACK OBAMA

Further Reasons For Skepticism on That Michelle Obama Tape

I hoped a tone of skepticism would permeate my earlier posts on the alleged Michelle Obama denouncing "whitey" tape. Still, some accuse me of hyping the story.

The preponderance of the evidence now suggests that there's nothing there. One of the arguments that made me think there was some fire amid the smoke was the statement on Booman Tribune, attempting to explain that "why'd he" was being heard as "whitey." This sort of explanation suggested that someone — perhaps allied with the Obama campaign? Someone in attendance of the event? — wanted to explain what people would be hearing on the tape, which suggested that there was a tape, and that some words that sounded like "why'd he"/"whitey" could be heard. The listing of specifics of the comment — Medicaid/Katrina/Jena/Iraq — also suggested someone had heard the comment, and wanted to put it in context...

But now I find that apparently Booman Tribune was merely paraphrasing another blogger's prediction of what would be on the tape if it ever surfaced. No one claimed to have seen the tape. (That will teach me to put any stock in anything written on a liberal blog.)

Without that, what are we left with? Larry Johnson, a vehemently pro-Hillary and anti-Obama blogger, who in the past was running around telling people Karl Rove was about to be indicted. Republican political consultant Roger Stone, saying he believes it exists. I'm hearing from other reporters that their (secondhand, of course) sources are calling back and adding that they saw Louis Farrakhan on the tape, a detail that they didn't mention before Johnson's update of 9 this morning. Does the presence of Farrakhan seem like a detail that's easy to forget?

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But right now I think the evidence suggests this is a hoax, and that we will never see tape of Michelle Obama saying these particular controversial remarks. The timing of this rumor's surfacing is conveniently perfect to scare superdelegates, and the idea that it's in the hands of sinister Republicans explains why fans of Hillary are eager to talk about it but unable to produce it.

UPDATE: I hear from many readers that Bob Beckel said Tuesday morning on Fox & Friends, that a "bomb" was going to drop tomorrow, regarding Michelle Obama. Asked if it was "worse than a college thesis?" Bob said yes, I am told. He said that the Republicans were behind it and it was dumb because it meant that Mrs. Clinton would be the nominee.

I note that despite my readers' hopes, this fits the pattern for rumors like this — they're always simultaneously vague but hyped to be huge, and they're always coming just around the corner. Like I said, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but this could easily be a lot of folks chasing the same rumors...

[DjTj]

The comment by McCain was directed directly at the people that tortured him.

I myself wouldn't have much sympathy for people that threw rocks at Jesse Jackson and turned firehoses on him if he started throwing around deregetory terms to describe THEM.This is the exact same argument that people like Jackson and Rev. Wright make when they blame things on white people - it's not ALL white people; it's the racist white people who have done bad things ... it's a really slippery slope, and there are plenty of insults that McCain could use that do not have a racial connotation. When you call anyone a gook, or anyone a ******, you imply that their race is a part of why you are insulting them, and it connotes some degree of hatred or negativity towards all people of that race.

McCain could have called them evil, *******s, mother****ers, or anything else that doesn't extend to an entire race but is directed at individuals ... when you use a racial slur, you necessarily expand your target to an entire group, and that is unacceptable.

[PeterMP]

This is the exact same argument that people like Jackson and Rev. Wright make when they blame things on white people - it's not ALL white people; it's the racist white people who have done bad things ... it's a really slippery slope, and there are plenty of insults that McCain could use that do not have a racial connotation. When you call anyone a gook, or anyone a ******, you imply that their race is a part of why you are insulting them, and it connotes some degree of hatred or negativity towards all people of that race.

McCain could have called them evil, *******s, mother****ers, or anything else that doesn't extend to an entire race but is directed at individuals ... when you use a racial slur, you necessarily expand your target to an entire group, and that is unacceptable.

1. In general, I don't like the slippery slope arguement. There's nothing wrong with walking on a slippery slope- just make sure you don't slip.

2. I'd agree- racist white people did/do bad things. If they actually mentioned that MANY while people aren't racist once in a bule moon, then there wouldn't be much of an issue IMO.

3. When McCain was active in Vietnam, was gook used for all Vietnamese or in a manner that suggested those Vietnamese that were fighting the US? If it was the second, is its use by him really (purely) racist term?

[DjTj]

1. In general, I don't like the slippery slope arguement. There's nothing wrong with walking on a slippery slope- just make sure you don't slip.It's not a slippery slope argument. It's the exact same argument that follows every accidental racial statement, and it's exactly how the McCain thing played out in 2000.


2. I'd agree- racist white people did/do bad things. If they actually mentioned that MANY while people aren't racist once in a bule moon, then there wouldn't be much of an issue IMO.Well, if you listen to black politicians today, they are also a lot more careful about their rhetoric (Jesse Jackson doesn't actually use racial slurs to describe people who opposed the Civil Rights movement), and McCain has done the same thing. We are in a much more polite culture today, on both sides.


3. When McCain was active in Vietnam, was gook used for all Vietnamese or in a manner that suggested those Vietnamese that were fighting the US? If it was the second, is its use by him really (purely) racist term?I wasn't in Vietnam, so I don't know how soldiers used it then, but I doubt they adopted the language in a very nuanced environment. I know from history that it was first used against the Filipinos during their war for independence, then against Koreans and Chinese in the Korean war, and then against the Vietnamese. In contemporary America, it is used against all Asians.

Look, I don't think McCain is a racist, and I honestly believe that he didn't mean to offend when using that word. Nevertheless, after people pointed out to him that the word was offensive to all Asians, he apologized and stopped using it, which is exactly what he should have done, because continuing to use that word, when you know it will offend people of a certain race, would be offensive.

McCain apologized and stopped using the word. I hope you all would do the same.

[PeterMP]

This is the exact same argument that people like Jackson and Rev. Wright make when they blame things on white people - it's not ALL white people; it's the racist white people who have done bad things ... it's a really slippery slope


It's not a slippery slope argument.

I'm confused.

[DjTj]

I'm confused. :hammer: Okay, I didn't read what I posted before :silly: ... I will rescind my "slippery slope" argument, and instead argue what I wrote in my previous post.

(There exists a slippery slope argument that anyone making any racial insult could always claim that they are simply insulting individuals, but I don't really think that's the important point here, so please ignore it.)

You are saying that it's okay for McCain to use the word gook as long as he refers specifically to his captors.

I'm saying that no, it's not okay because any racial slur inherently insults the entire group rather than the individual.

No slippery slope. :)

[paige3girl]

has anyone heard anything about this today? I really didn't get a chance to see the news this morning and forgot the paper for the train ride into work... :(

[Buford]

Nope. Not a word.....so far.

[paige3girl]

Nope. Not a word.....so far.

I did just read that Dean, Reid and Pelosi set the superdelegate deadline for Friday....

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/dean-pelosi-rei.html

With the final primary concluded barely hours before, top Democratic Party leaders in Washington early this morning ratcheted up the pressure to force all remaining uncommitted superdelegates to make their choice of candidate known by Friday -- and thus end the now hopeless, one-time frontrunning campaign of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton.





The joint statement was obviously pre-planned and timed for issue shortly after Clinton refused to concede the presidential nomination's victory to Barack Obama, who's gained sufficient delegates to clinch the party's nomination.



Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and West Virginia Gov. Joe Manchin, chairman of the Democratic Governors Assn., issued the brief statement for unity just minutes ago:

"The voters have spoken," they said, adding later, "Democrats must now turn our full attention to the general election. To that end, we are urging all remaining uncommitted super delegates to make their decisions known by Friday of this week, so that our party can stand united."

[jbooma]

The republicans would not be that stupid in dropping a bombshell like that this early. This is the Clintons :)

Hillary would be looked as the savior of the party. If I was a republican I would want to keep this till after the Dem Convention, then they can not switch Obama for Hill :)

[LegionOfDoom]

The republicans would not be that stupid in dropping a bombshell like that this early. This is the Clintons :)

Hillary would be looked as the savior of the party. If I was a republican I would want to keep this till after the Dem Convention, then they can not switch Obama for Hill :)


The sad part in it all is that their is no tape. Just scare tactics to keep the superdelegates from siding with Barack.

This thread is finished. Whoever reads this thread and lived under a rock will draw some stupid conclusion over some BS.

:bsflag: :sucks:

[Tastes Like Chicken]

The link no longer works.

[Stophovr6]

The link no longer works.




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Should read:




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Woops! The page you were looking for could not be found, because it was about something that was untrue and it wouldn't hold up. Thank you for supporting our fair and balanced news network. We report, you decide wether or not it's complete BS.....it is ;).

[ECU-ALUM]

As David Letterman once said, "Fox News has as their slogan, 'We report, you decide," Well how about you report, and I decide not to watch, okay?"

[Duckus]

:laugh: :laugh: Oh....this thread.

Any moment now.....I hear it is tomorrow! Wait for it.............

[Prosperity]

Thank God for the liberal media

[Thiebear]

:laugh: :laugh: Oh....this thread.

Any moment now.....I hear it is tomorrow! Wait for it.............

So the Whitey tape is real thanks Liberty. I always knew you were a conservative.

[GoSkins561]

Are we still waiting for this tape? ;)

[Spaceman Spiff]

Man, I hope it happens soon... ;)

[Stophovr6]

I can feel it. Any time meow.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Man, I hope it happens soon... ;)
I hope John McCain's "Blackie" tape comes out soon. :silly:

[Jumbo]

I wish everything ran on stupidity instead of oil. Oh wait.

[laurent]

Wooooo, more bull****! I love when life imitates art. Did the Onion ever get it right with their piece on bull****.

[Predicto]

And yet... stuff like this continues to poison the atmosphere.... continues too feed the average Joe voter concerns about Obama... he's really not one of us, is he? I can't put my finger on it, but I'm just not comfortable voting for him...

[Stophovr6]

And yet... stuff like this continues to poison the atmosphere.... continues too feed the average Joe voter concerns about Obama... he's really not one of us, is he? I can't put my finger on it, but I'm just not comfortable voting for him...

Islamo-Fasict-Hussein-Terrorist-Fist-Bumping-Muslim-Marxist-Che-Nazi-Socialist Obama makes you uncomfortable? ;)

[Mass_SkinsFan]

This thing was ridiculous from the start.

As though you needed anything more than her "proud to be an american" comment to prove that she wasn't fit to be an American citizen, never mind First Lady of the United States.

[Prosperity]

I wish everything ran by stupidity instead of oil. Oh wait.

fixed [for attainable wish]

[Predicto]

This thing was ridiculous from the start.

As though you needed anything more than her "proud to be an american" comment to prove that she wasn't fit to be an American citizen, never mind First Lady of the United States.


As though her "proud to be an American" comment actually meant what you nutters act like it meant. :laugh:

[Mass_SkinsFan]

As though her "proud to be an American" comment actually meant what you nutters act like it meant.

It meant exactly what she said, Predicto. She and her husband won't be happy until the American flag has a red field with a Hammer & Sickle in the upper left hand corner.

[Jumbo]

fixed [for attainable wish] I need to be more cognizant of my powers.

[zoony]

It meant exactly what she said, Predicto. She and her husband won't be happy until the American flag has a red field with a Hammer & Sickle in the upper left hand corner.


That would be insulting to Betsy Ross imho. They should at least check with her estate or relatives first, if it or they exist. It would be the right thing to do.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

That would be insulting to Betsy Ross imho. They should at least check with her estate or relatives first, if it or they exist. It would be the right thing to do.

It would be insulting to every American in history, so far as I'm concerned. Especially those who have bled and died for the flag and what it's supposed to stand for. However, Obama and his wife have shown me that they really don't care about that. They're fixated on their socialist, leftist agenda and nothing is going to get in their way of putting it in place.

[#98QBKiller]

Lol good bump

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

However, Obama and his wife have shown me that they really don't care about that. They're fixated on their socialist, leftist agenda and nothing is going to get in their way of putting it in place.
As opposed to the fascist agenda you would like to put in place? :)

[Mass_SkinsFan]

As opposed to the fascist agenda you would like to put in place?

Authoritarian, not fascist, and if our founding fathers had looked at a little more reality rather than hoping for the best we might have had a better system from the start.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Authoritarian, not fascist, and if our founding fathers had looked at a little more reality rather than hoping for the best we might have had a better system from the start.
Authoritarianism is one the chief components of fascism. :)

[Dan T.]

It meant exactly what she said, Predicto. She and her husband won't be happy until the American flag has a red field with a Hammer & Sickle in the upper left hand corner.


Congratulations. You have officially become a caricature of yourself. You've out-Massed Mass_SkinFan.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Authoritarian, not fascist, and if our founding fathers had looked at a little more reality rather than hoping for the best we might have had a better system from the start.
Why do you hate America?

[Midnight Judges]

Of course we could always bump the other thread on this subject. :evil:

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Why do you hate America?

Mostly because it's full of americans.

[Yusuf06]

This thing was ridiculous from the start.

As though you needed anything more than her "proud to be an american" comment to prove that she wasn't fit to be an American citizen, never mind First Lady of the United States.


It meant exactly what she said, Predicto. She and her husband won't be happy until the American flag has a red field with a Hammer & Sickle in the upper left hand corner.
I guess you never saw this huh? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hVeWZjB8zM)

We have just GOT to get a custom avatar for MSF. I'd suggest....

[Toe Jam]

Less than a week to go.

I'm still waiting.

[dcoles11]

It really won't matter - Senator Obama is not electable. Should be interesting though.

really? ;)

[StillUnknown]

:rotflmao:

[Teller]

I wouldn't laugh too hard yet. There were plenty of Cowboy fans laughing in 2005, up 10-0 at halftime, having beaten us 99 out of the past 100 times.

I'm voting for Obama. I'm just saying, laugh early Wednesday morning. Not now.

[Toe Jam]

I wouldn't laugh too hard yet. There were plenty of Cowboy fans laughing in 2005, up 10-0 at halftime, having beaten us 99 out of the past 100 times.

I'm voting for Obama. I'm just saying, laugh early Wednesday morning. Not now.

Are you saying we're going to see a "whitey" tape in the next four days?:laugh:

[StillUnknown]

I wouldn't laugh too hard yet. There were plenty of Cowboy fans laughing in 2005, up 10-0 at halftime, having beaten us 99 out of the past 100 times.

I'm voting for Obama. I'm just saying, laugh early Wednesday morning. Not now.

i was more or less laughing at the bump of the thread, i had forgotten that it existed

i take nothing for granted in politics

[Teller]

Are you saying we're going to see a "whitey" tape in the next four days?:laugh:

I'm saying most of the undecideds (like I was until very recently) are conservatives (like I am.) I'm saying that, while there might not be a 'whitey' tape, four days is an eternity. If it wasn't, both candidates could sit back and relax, with their work having been completed.

But if you choose to laugh anyway, and continue to mock the other side, don't ***** if it goes the other way. If you laugh with time on the clock, you've made your bed should Santana Moss get behind Roy Williams.

[Teller]

i was more or less laughing at the bump of the thread, i had forgotten that it existed

i take nothing for granted in politics

You're a wise man.

And yeah, the thread bump itself was pretty epic.

:cheers:

[Toe Jam]

I'm saying most of the undecideds (like I was until very recently) are conservatives (like I am.) I'm saying that, while there might not be a 'whitey' tape, four days is an eternity. If it wasn't, both candidates could sit back and relax, with their work having been completed.

But if you choose to laugh anyway, and continue to mock the other side, don't ***** if it goes the other way. If you laugh with time on the clock, you've made your bed should Santana Moss get behind Roy Williams.

I'm most certainly not bragging or boasting.

But I thought it was funny there is no tape.

[Yusuf06]

Less than a week to go.

I'm still waiting.
Premature emasculation. As H_H advises, you might want to wait until Wednesday.

What would actually be too hilarious for words would be if Obama wins in a landslide and then on November 5th the "Whitey" video and proof that Obama and Ayers are gay lovers surfaced, followed by an Obama speech in which he openly admits that he is in fact a devout Muslim. :D :ha:

[Teller]

Premature emasculation. As H_H advises, you might want to wait until Wednesday.

What would actually be too hilarious for words would be if Obama wins in a landslide and then on November 5th the "Whitey" video and proof that Obama and Ayers are gay lovers surfaced, followed by an Obama speech in which he openly admits that he is in fact a devout Muslim. :D :ha:

I guess my sense of humor is broken tonight. But I hope for once in my damned voting life that we'll elect a president who *Dennis Green voice* IS WHO WE THINK HE IS!!!!

If Obama is who he says, Wright and that lot aside, middle-class America is going to see some real improvement. If he's not, well, what have we lost? Most politicians aren't.

[KAOSkins]

Premature emasculation. As H_H advises, you might want to wait until Wednesday.

What would actually be too hilarious for words would be if Obama wins in a landslide and then on November 5th the "Whitey" video and proof that Obama and Ayers are gay lovers surfaced, followed by an Obama speech in which he openly admits that he is in fact a devout Muslim. :D :ha:

Funny in a really, really ****ed up way! :rotflmao:

[Mass_SkinsFan]

If he's not, well, what have we lost?

Another 15-20% of our salary in taxes. Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Any vague connection we still have to the tenents of the US Constitution. Our sovreignty to the United Nations. Our national identity. (Should I go on?)

[Yusuf06]

Another 15-20% of our salary in taxes. Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Any vague connection we still have to the tenents of the US Constitution. Our sovreignty to the United Nations. Our national identity. (Should I go on?)
Please feel free to point out (links please) where Obama has said he'd do any of these things.

[dcoles11]

Another 15-20% of our salary in taxes. Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Any vague connection we still have to the tenents of the US Constitution. Our sovreignty to the United Nations. Our national identity. (Should I go on?)

When is this, "they are going to take my guns away!" argument going to die?

It's just simply not true.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

When is this, "they are going to take my guns away!" argument going to die?

When the individual in question comes out and recants every firearms related vote, quote, and policy statement he's ever made as a politician. When he recants his beliefs in Marxism, which has NEVER co-existed with a right to private gun ownership. When he gets an "A" rating from the National Rifle Association.

Until then there is nothing you can tell me that will make me believe he isn't as much of a gun-grabbing Marxist Socialist as every other Democrat out there.

[dcoles11]

When the individual in question comes out and recants every firearms related vote, quote, and policy statement he's ever made as a politician. When he recants his beliefs in Marxism, which has NEVER co-existed with a right to private gun ownership. When he gets an "A" rating from the National Rifle Association.

Until then there is nothing you can tell me that will make me believe he isn't as much of a gun-grabbing Marxist Socialist as every other Democrat out there.

I heard all this back in 92, do you still have your gun?

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I heard all this back in 92, do you still have your gun?

I wasn't a gun owner in 1992 (not old enough at the time). I have firearms, yes. Do I have all of them that I would like.... definitely NOT (mostly due to legal restrictions). Under an Obama Administration I truly believe that not only would I not able to purchase those other firearms I want, but at least some of the ones I currently possess would be made illegal as well.

[GoSkins561]

When is this, "they are going to take my guns away!" argument going to die?

It's just simply not true.
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Seriously?:laugh:

Look at Obama's voting record on guns, don't doubt that argument. They probably won't take my guns away in my lifetime because of geographical location, however many others will pay the price, depending on their location.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Seriously?:laugh:

Look at Obama's voting record on guns, don't doubt that argument. They probably won't take my guns away in my lifetime because of geographical location, however many others will pay the price, depending on their location.

Which guns of yours were purchased illegally, and which ones do you think would be taken away from you?

[#98QBKiller]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c370/bhw1574/mario_bump.gif

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Huge bombshell dropped this morning: Michelle Obama is black!

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c370/bhw1574/mario_bump.gif

Breaking News: Michelle Obama is a Goomba

[#98QBKiller]

Breaking News: Michelle Obama is a Goomba

I love it when people know what a Goomba is :cheers:

[Prosperity]

huh so the OP and all the October surprise folks were full of ****

never would have guessed it....

[Corcaigh]

huh so the OP and all the October surprise folks were full of ****

never would have guessed it....

Wasn't Biden going to resign as VP candidate in October too in order to try to counteract the huge support for Palin?

:OLS

[Dan T.]

Breaking News: Michelle Obama is a Goomba

Wow. She's a made man in the Mafia? Who'da thunk it?

[Yusuf06]

Huge Michelle Obama bombshell? In just a matter of hours she'll be the first lady!!!

[KLJ]

Huge Michelle Obama bombshell? In just a matter of hours she'll be the first lady!!!
that won't happen until january

[Capt Rich Fla]

The "bombshell" is that Michelle Obama is "supposedly" on
a tape speaking at Trinity raving about "Whitey."

The tape was suppose to have been released yesterday.
We'll see.....

This is not new. Anyway, who cares? Comedians trash whitey everyday. There's nothing unacceptible about that. Now if this was the other way around, I'd fully expect to see the national guard.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

so did the bombshell drop yet??

[Burgold]

Only a few more hours. We're running out of tomorrows...

[techboy]

I think it would be hysterical if it did come out tomorrow.

[Corcaigh]

I think it would be hysterical if it did come out tomorrow.

That's what McCain is planning:

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/mccain_refusing_to_tell

[Yusuf06]

*BUMP*

That darned Godot...still...waiting...

[MEANDWARF]

How old is this thread? It was edited in June o8. Why is this coming back?

[Tulane Skins Fan]

How old is this thread? It was edited in June o8. Why is this coming back?

because its funny.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

I guess there still could be a Michelle bombshell, in 2012 :OLS:

[Midnight Judges]

FOX news had zero credibility before this nonsense. The fact that the scum who reported this are still employed there only serves to confirm that they have no intentions towards real journalism.

I don't see how people should believe anything they say.

[Yusuf06]

FOX news had zero credibility before this nonsense. The fact that the scum who reported this are still employed there only serves to confirm that they have no intentions towards real journalism.

I don't see how people should believe anything they say.
I hear they've hired Saddam's Iraqi Information Minister to be a talking head. "Do not believe the rumors of Obama getting any votes.. McCain is winning a glorious victory. All hail President McCain!"

[Popeman38]

FOX news had zero credibility before this nonsense. The fact that the scum who reported this are still employed there only serves to confirm that they have no intentions towards real journalism.

I don't see how people should believe anything they say.Did you watch the networks last night? They were in Obama's pocket all night. They were giddy that he was going to win. Impartiality was very far from any network last night. And as Burgold has pointed out already, FoxNews had the most professional broadcast last night.

[#98QBKiller]

I guess there still could be a Michelle bombshell, in 2012 :OLS:


TLC, your sigs are the best man....love the new pic on the right :cheers:

[skinsfan1523]

I can't believe you people are actually happy that obama was elected. How far has this country truly fallen?

[rincewind]

I can't believe you people are actually happy that obama was elected. How far has this country truly fallen?



you people?

[Capt Rich Fla]

you people?

Awwwwww, here we go.:rolleyes: He didn't mean it that way.

[Reic]

I can't believe you people are actually happy that obama was elected. How far has this country truly fallen?

Its fallen pretty far thanks to Bush.

Time to dig ourselves out of the hole, and we have the best man to help us do that :D

[#98QBKiller]

I can't believe you people are actually happy that obama was elected. How far has this country truly fallen?


Care to elaborate?

[TMat184]

I can't believe you people are actually happy that obama was elected. How far has this country truly fallen?

The country was pretty low before this election..... One of the reasons for that, is because we still have folks with divisive, ignorant,mentalities spewing out divisive,ignorant comments.

[IbleedBnG83]

it really won't matter - senator obama is not electable. Should be interesting though.

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IbleedBnG83]

I can't believe you people are actually happy that obama was elected. How far has this country truly fallen?

LOL. It always makes me laugh, especially a young person, to think Obama would help them personally.

If you are a middle class American, there is no reason that Obama would not be more beneficial for you than McCain...none.

[Capt Rich Fla]

Who was it that said you can't build a strong nation by bringing down the strong people in it?

[Duckus]

Any day now....any day......:D

To all those enjoying the "Queen in her Court!" thread - just a friendly reminder of how long the smear campaign to take down Michelle Obama has been going on for. For over a YEAR now.....

She is a popular target of chain emails.

[LLandryistheshiz]

Awwwwww, here we go.:rolleyes: He didn't mean it that way.


you people?

I think it was more of a joke but ehh who knows. :)

[Predicto]

This thread ia truly a Tailgate classic.

[cjcdaman]

This thread ia truly a Tailgate classic.

Only to be replaced by the threads after the 2010 elections. And if Obama keeps on this same track, the 2012 elections.

[JimboDaMan]

This thread ia truly a Tailgate classic.Shall we go for 1000?:evilg:

[Coach Williams]

I bet you $5 one of the next 3 posters NOT replying to MY comment will read the first few posts, NOT notice the date and then say something dumb.......lololol

[HA1LV1CT0RY]

Jeremiah Wright ring a bell? Don't be too shocked if this is true...

edit:: ive been had :doh:

[Toe Jam]

Coach Williams

[Toe Jam]

now owes me $5

[Toe Jam]

Jeremiah Wright ring a bell? Don't be too shocked if this is true...

edit:: ive been had :doh:

NOOO!

You lost me $5!

[Corcaigh]

NOOO!

You lost me $5!

You might be able to appeal that as he never says anything but dumb ****.

[TMat184]

LMAO! It's always great to look back. Classic indeed!


It really won't matter - Senator Obama is not electable. Should be interesting though.

[HA1LV1CT0RY]

You might be able to appeal that as he never says anything but dumb ****.

Oh, the irony..

[Monte51Coleman]

It really won't matter - Senator Obama is not electable. Should be interesting though.

:rotflmao:

[DCranon21]

Ah yes, a tailgate instant classic :)