Who is more "fair and balanced" Lou Dobbs CNN or Bill O'Rielly Fox News

[isle-hawg]

Just wondering what you folks think. To me it is a easy choice for CNN as Fox always seems to be a Republican apologist/Democrat Basher.

Yet from many I hear that CNN is a left wing organization. I know it is owned by Ted Turner but I do not see how it more biased than other news organizations.

Crossfire I found interesting for the debates from polar opposites. Hannity and Colmes is not the same, as Hannity (top billing) more often than not gets in the last word and Colmes takes a back seat to him (by design not politics IMO).

I enjoy more often that not Lou Dobbs, who seems to me mostly fair with his criticism of both R's and D's. Opposed to O'Rielly's (when not talking about tabloid ****) his Republican bias is evident to me.

What are other ES'rs thoughts?

[Bang]

I pretty much agree with you word for word. Fox is such unabashed right propaganda it is very hard to take them seriously.

However, i like to get my news from a lot of sources, both right and left,, the truth is usually somewhere in between.
ES is one of my main news sources, to be honest. The number of excellent news articles from a wide variety of sources that hit this board every day is a great thing, and all of the varying opinions that go with them is a good way for me to hash out my own thoughts.

~Bang

[GibbsFactor]

That's a tough one. I'm going with CNN. Is illegal immigration really a HUGE liberal problem? What about Glenn Beck? What's FoxNews got? Colmes? :laugh:

[Larry]

Never seen Dobbs. (Or at least, I don't remember ever watching him.)

Heard a lot of right wingers complain about him. But I stopped paying attention to the GOP complaining about "the liberal media" when I heard Rush complaining (during the Reagan administration) that when the media reported that the federal deficit set a new record last year, they failed to pronounce that all deficits were 100% Congress' fault, and this proved that they were biased.

(Yes, according to Rush, announcing a fact without political spin is liberal bias.)

I've watched O'Reily. The man's scum.

(Well, his show is. And I don't see any one holding a gun to his head forcing him to make his show scum.)

[SC_RedskinsFan]

Im a Fox News guy all the way. :cheers:

[Teller]

I'm writing in Lou Doubbs for president, so I guess that makes my position pretty clear. :)

[GibbsFactor]

Lou is the modern day Bill Cutting aka William Poole.

[lovetoaster]

I like Lou Dobbs a lot and do not like O'Reilly at all. Dobbs says some things that make me think while O'Reilly just pontificates and likes to here himself talk. I do not necessarily agree with Dobbs all of the time, but he presents some interesting and intelligent thoughts. Just my opinion.

Just due to the fact that he is mentioned on this thread, I can hear O'Reilly's ego getting bigger.

[isle-hawg]

However, i like to get my news from a lot of sources, both right and left,, the truth is usually somewhere in between.
ES is one of my main news sources, to be honest. The number of excellent news articles from a wide variety of sources that hit this board every day is a great thing, and all of the varying opinions that go with them is a good way for me to hash out my own thoughts.

~Bang

~Bang I am in full agreement with your comments and I too enjoy multiple sources for my news.

I came to ES for the same reason I assume everyone does -- for Redskins news. What I find just as if not more (especially in the offseason) interesting is the political discussions and news here. The ES tailgate is the best news site/discussion board there is IMO.

[Thiebear]

I watch Bill Oreilly, but i like Lou Dobbs better.
I flip back and forth between CNN and Fox.. CNN did the soldiers talking home on Memorial day...

[GibbsFactor]

~Bang I am in full agreement with your comments and I too enjoy multiple sources for my news.

I came to ES for the same reason I assume everyone does -- for Redskins news. What I find just as if not more (especially in the offseason) interesting is the political discussions and news here. The ES tailgate is the best news site/discussion board there is IMO.



:cheers:

[WVUforREDSKINS]

I lean left but I find myself agreeing with O'Rielly quite a bit.


I can't vote because both of them are stuck in their views are aren't fair and balanced.

[isle-hawg]

I'm writing in Lou Doubbs for president, so I guess that makes my position pretty clear. :)

Great idea Jason, I just may do the same! As I do not want to vote for Pander or Panderer.

How about Glenn Beck as VP?:)

[Walking Deadman]

Bryant Gumbel owns them all

[ACW]

Can O'Reilly AND Dobbs please both just go away? :mad:

[Bang]

~Bang I am in full agreement with your comments and I too enjoy multiple sources for my news.

I came to ES for the same reason I assume everyone does -- for Redskins news. What I find just as if not more (especially in the offseason) interesting is the political discussions and news here. The ES tailgate is the best news site/discussion board there is IMO.
There's some smart people here, and some very good back and forth. I've had my mind changed on a number of subjects since coming here.
I tell you what, i go into the stadium section about once or twice a month, if that.

~Bang

[isle-hawg]

There's some smart people here, and some very good back and forth. I've had my mind changed on a number of subjects since coming here.
I tell you what, i go into the stadium section about once or twice a month, if that.

~Bang

I am in full agreement. Like I assume most I often have some pre-conceived opinions on coming into some discussions. But what I enjoy most and appreciate is well thought out decenting views followed with discussing them, as this makes all of us that participate that much more informed IMO. :2cents:

[JohnLockesGhost]

They're both cut from the same cloth, but I find Dobbs much less revolting than O'Reilly.

[Larry]

I am in full agreement. Like I assume most I often have some pre-conceived opinions on coming into some discussions. But what I enjoy most and appreciate is well thought out decenting views followed with discussing them, as this makes all of us that participate that much more informed IMO. :2cents:

I think you all just show up for the underlines.

:)

[isle-hawg]

I think you all just show up for the underlines.

:)


Yours? well of course, otherwise WTF you talking about Larry?:laugh:

For the record I have not even figured out how to underline stuff which is your trademark.:(

If you are willing to "enlighten me" on underlining stuff or color coding words please PM me and share the "secret" (aka enlighten the interentz illiterate).:)

[jpyaks3]

Great idea Jason, I just may do the same! As I do not want to vote for Pander or Panderer.

How about Glenn Beck as VP?:)

Glenn Beck is a scumbag. He had the gall to ask the first Muslim congressman to prove to him that he wasn't "working with our enemies". Ellison handled it well but Beck is a pos for even going there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFkpEduQJZo

Edit: On topic I think Dobbs is better but not by a whole lot. All cable news shows are pretty biased and the coverage is terrible. There is always two people from opposing viewpoints yelling at one another and the media seems to only shoot for ratings.

[isle-hawg]

Glenn Beck is a scumbag. He had the gall to ask the first Muslim congressman to prove to him that he wasn't "working with our enemies". Ellison handled it well but Beck is a pos for even going there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFkpEduQJZo.

OK, I watched it, he threw the congressman a softball IMO, and repeatedly said he was not attacking him. I did not see it as an attack on the congressman more so an opporunity for him to give the opportunity to give the congressman the (softball) opportunity to speak to the fact that all Muslims are not "hijacking terroists" (I don't know his motivation, but saw it more as a way to avoid the line of thinking and dealing with the Japanese decendents living here during WWII).

I assume you take that as he was attacking him, but I see the interview as a way of Beck giving his guest the opportunity to dispell the (negative) sterotypes?

[81artmonk]

I pretty much agree with you word for word. Fox is such unabashed right propaganda it is very hard to take them seriously.

However, i like to get my news from a lot of sources, both right and left,, the truth is usually somewhere in between.
ES is one of my main news sources, to be honest. The number of excellent news articles from a wide variety of sources that hit this board every day is a great thing, and all of the varying opinions that go with them is a good way for me to hash out my own thoughts.

~Bang

Isn't that the pot calling the kettly black. Sure CNN is in the tank for the Dems and Fox for the repubs, however, when it comes to being fair with their guests in interviews O'Reily wins.

[Bang]

Isn't that the pot calling the kettly black. Sure CNN is in the tank for the Dems and Fox for the repubs, however, when it comes to being fair with their guests in interviews O'Reily wins.
In all honesty, you're so far in the tank with Fox, it's very hard to take you seriously. You bite those hooks like a starving fish.

~Bang

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Isn't that the pot calling the kettly black. Sure CNN is in the tank for the Dems and Fox for the repubs, however, when it comes to being fair with their guests in interviews O'Reily wins.


Dude...that is so far from the truth that I'm just gonna have to say that Bang hit it right on the nose.

O'Reily is never fair with anyone who is remotely Democratic.

[jpyaks3]

OK, I watched it, he threw the congressman a softball IMO, and repeatedly said he was not attacking him. I did not see it as an attack on the congressman more so an opporunity for him to give the opportunity to give the congressman the (softball) opportunity to speak to the fact that all Muslims are not "hijacking terroists" (I don't know his motivation, but saw it more as a way to avoid the line of thinking and dealing with the Japanese decendents living here during WWII).

I assume you take that as he was attacking him, but I see the interview as a way of Beck giving his guest the opportunity to dispell the (negative) sterotypes?

I guess, still really rubbed me the wrong way its just worrisome to hear that kind of talk at all, especially with people like Virgil Goode, a congressman proposing to stop all Muslim immigration and to prevent more Muslim congressman. People like Virgil Goode being elected is really scary and it isnt what America stands for. Frankly, its sickening what Goode says. I probably went overboard on Beck and misinterperted the interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP2Vipu9Yiw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP2Vipu9Yiw)

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I find Lou Dobbs sickening but FoxNews as a whole is just absolutely ridiculous. CNN ftw.

Oh and I love Glen Beck. I work from the car and catch his show on the radio everyday. He gives me so much hope. Very inspirational. I mean if his dumbass has gotten as far as he has (TV and radio show) than I should be a billionare one day. Or something.

[Fergasun]

You guys are crazy. Its all ratings driven, even Dobbs, Glenn Beck, and blogosphere stuff.

Best political commentators?
dancarlin.com (very balanced, also has a historical podcast)
freetalklive.com (way libertarian)

There was a local guy on Los Angeles radio that was kicked off but I felt he was honest.I suppose I lean "Republican", but whenever I hear any of O'Reilly/Hannity/etc. it makes me throw up... heck give me Michael Savage since he is so over-the-top-crazy it really is insane.

And really, does so much happen that we need to hear about it 24/7? Do we really need 24/7 coverage of the election? Even though there are weeks between the election? All Fox/CNN are trying to do is fill their precious ratings and suck in viewers... its horrible... i actually doubt the far right-far left partisan's really believe what they are saying... they are all attention ho's!

[Smoot Point Really]

don't really watch either of them... both aren't very relevant.

[Smoot Point Really]

BTW, Fox News is the only one that I've seen actually report theJohn McCain Shia/Sunni mix-up... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5trxPYpYNQ)

IMO, the mix-up wasn't that big of a deal... He didn't even mention Shia/Sunni in this episode. He did in the hearings, but corrected himself on the spot. At least he actually goes to Iraq.


OBAMA: We cannot impose a military solution on what has effectively become a civil war. And until we acknowledge that reality, uh, we can send 15,000 more troops; 20,000 more troops; 30,000 more troops. Uh, I don't know any, uh, expert on the region or any military officer that I've spoken to, uh, privately that believes that that is gonna make a substantial difference on the situation on the ground. - January 14, 2007

How many times has Obama been to Iraq and who are the military officers/experts he is speaking to?

[Bliz]

dobbs hates democrats and republicans alike...

reilly just hates democrats.

+1.

This isn't really a fair fight imo. Dobbs is a Harvard-educated economist, former Republican turned independent who actually THINKS about competing policies and comes to his own decisions. He's a fiscal conservative, heavily against illegal immigration, free trade deals, gun control, and the Bush tax cuts, while supporting abortion rights and gay rights.

O'Reilly is a shill for the Republican party who basically bleats "Republicans good, Democrats bad" no matter what the topic. The only time O'Reilly ever complains about Republicans is when he accuses them of acting like Democrats

[19Skins72]

+1.

This isn't really a fair fight imo. Dobbs is a Harvard-educated economist, former Republican turned independent who actually THINKS about competing policies and comes to his own decisions. He's a fiscal conservative, heavily against illegal immigration, free trade deals, gun control, and the Bush tax cuts, while supporting abortion rights and gay rights.

O'Reilly is a shill for the Republican party who basically bleats "Republicans good, Democrats bad" no matter what the topic. The only time O'Reilly ever complains about Republicans is when he accuses them of acting like Democrats

I couldn't have said that better myself :applause:

Admittedly, I don't watch CNN often, but I do listen to Dobbs on Sirius on the way home from work, and I often wonder how such a <insert sarcasm> bastion of liberal news<insert sarcasm> can stand having someone like him representing them on the air.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

BTW, Fox News is the only one that I've seen actually report theJohn McCain Shia/Sunni mix-up... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5trxPYpYNQ)

IMO, the mix-up wasn't that big of a deal... He didn't even mention Shia/Sunni in this episode. He did in the hearings, but corrected himself on the spot. At least he actually goes to Iraq.



How many times has Obama been to Iraq and who are the military officers/experts he is speaking to?

He's been there once, and has another trip planned for the near future.

He spoke to Petraeus about 2 weeks ago when Patreus was in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

[footballhenry]

Im a huge fan of Lou Dobbs and his 'whistle blowing' techniques (ex: calling attention to NAU, government secrecy, etc.). O'reilly is a propagandist and tool of Fox News. His ego is overbearing, and his intellect is not near as keen and intelligent as he likes to think it is. To be honest, I am incredibly disappointed in Fox News as a whole....I just don't understand how they can continue the asinine direction their going in. I am sure that every network has bias to a degree, but Fox News takes it to a whole new level.

[Fifty Gut]

Lou Dobbs, American hero

[Larry]

O'Reilly heck he is the only guy in his position actually pushing for passage of Jessica's Law in all 50 states and calling out liberals who refuse because of the defense lawyers as well as backing Senator Kerry and others on the new GI Bill.

FoxNews commentators don't hide their political leanings 75% of the babes are democrats, Hannityis conservative, Colmes liberal, OReilly says he is independant but I'll say moderate since he is a tree hugger, pro domestic partner, did call out the Federal and Local governments about Katrina and the President about post war Iraq.

CNN is and always have been liberal and always have a slant that calls into question if they are pro American (nope)


Here is another great moment that sums up this Administration perfectly:

"But guys like us, we don't pay attention to the polls. We know that polls are just a collection of statistics that reflect what people are thinking in "reality." And reality has a well-known liberal bias." Stephen Colbert at the White House Correspondants dinner.

Entertainment the next year? The ever-edgy Rich Little.

[Bliz]

Which usually means a pompous know it all who want to put theories into action, push social experiments and who usualy embraces liberal policies that will keep the sheep from achieving anything of significance or degrading institutions that make us the greatest nation in the world.

Well, as they say, 'tis better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than to open it and prove the point. You clearly have no idea who Lou Doobs is, and know nothing about him other than that he's on CNN. Dobbs is a pompous know-it-all, but that hardly distinguishes him from O'Reilly and basically every other political commentator on tv. This is the part where you went especially far astray: "usualy embraces liberal policies that will keep the sheep from achieving anything of significance or degrading institutions that make us the greatest nation in the world."

He's one of the fiercest critics of our border security and port security you will find in this country, on either side of the aisle, and is frequently called a racist by Hispanics due to the force with which he rails against illegal immigration. He also embraces plenty of conservative policies, including his stance against gun control and broad fiscal conservativism.


Reading your posts, the irony of you calling someone else a pompous know-it-all is almost too much to bear

[isle-hawg]

Admittedly, I don't watch CNN often, but I do listen to Dobbs on Sirius on the way home from work, and I often wonder how such a <insert sarcasm> bastion of liberal news<insert sarcasm> can stand having someone like him representing them on the air.

Your comments in jest or serious are my reason for starting this thread to question others. My opinion, I think CNN is the most "fair and "balanced" network out there. I'll buy CBS is major anti-Republican. And NBC and ABC lean Dem, but no more so in my point of view than Fox does Rep.

It seems to me many Republicans bash CNN for being liberal, but as a Independent conservative who leans libertarian or neo-con depending on the poll to put me in a box, I think CNN is more "fair and balanced" hence more honest. I admit I watch Fox News from time to time (for me like watching a train wreck). Fox is pro-Republican not pro-conservative IMO.

For those that see it otherwise please enlighten me.