Pitt. Tribune Review: Obama & his friends ...(past associations matter)

[IHOPSkins]

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_571431.html

What was very disturbing to us was the fact that Barack Obama had covered up the true identity of this "Frank" who played such a role in his life just before he went off to college (in the late 1970s). There are several references in his book to this "Frank." We discovered that "Frank" was indeed Frank Marshall Davis, who was a member of a Soviet-sponsored communist network on the island of Hawaii. We think Obama should be asked to explain why he didn't reveal Frank's true identity in his book. We looked into this and had confirmed by several sources that Frank was indeed Frank Marshall Davis, and that he had a considerable influence on Obama. But we cannot really get a rational explanation of why Obama would cover up the identity of this Stalinist agent

Later

"What we know is that Barack Obama's grandfather introduced Obama to Frank Marshall Davis because Barack Obama needed someone to look up to. Remember, this was a time when Barack Obama's black father had abandoned his family. Barack Obama's grandfather thought that Davis would fulfill the role of male role model and mentor -- and that's the role that he played"

Also

"Now when he gets to Chicago, we find that once again he gravitates and comes into the company of the most extreme anti-American elements, including socialists and communists. Keep in mind that the Weather Underground terrorists, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, were communist terrorists. They were not just '60s radicals. These were people who openly supported the communist enemy killing Americans in Vietnam"

And

"the FBI would always examine somebody's associations when they looked at somebody to determine if they were suitable for federal employment. They would look for contacts with foreign countries, foreign individuals, hostile governments and hostile intelligence services"

emphasis mine



I think it is important to know about both candidates

And now that Obama will be the nominee for the party of the Left, he should be vetted properly

Discuss

[SkinsOrlando]

But it doesn't matter who his friends are............................

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

If you are involved in politics in Chicago, you will come across some unsavory
characters. Its inevitable....

[IHOPSkins]

If you are involved in politics in Chicago, you will come across some unsavory
characters. Its inevitable....How much influence did they have is the question

If you are in the sewer, you will be near Rats

But

Do you change your diet to Cheese?

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

How much influence did they have is the question

If you are in the sewer, you will be near Rats

But

Do you change your diet to Cheese?
That is a legitimate question. But I've seen nothing in Obama that would make me believe that he is some evil marxist bent on world domination.

And for what its worth...isn't this just rehashing stuff we've already heard about Obama?

[BigMike619]

How much influence did they have is the question

If you are in the sewer, you will be near Rats

But

Do you change your diet to Cheese?

Love the analogy.

Allow me to retort please.

How long are you around those rats eating cheese before you start paying attention to them? And then how long before you just give cheese a try? And then after being around those rats for 20 years and them always offering to share their cheese with you, how long before you start to enjoy cheese?

[Tastes Like Chicken]

That is a legitimate question. But I've seen nothing in Obama that would make me believe that he is some evil marxist bent on world domination.

And for what its worth...isn't this just rehashing stuff we've already heard about Obama?

Agreed, and as far as Davis is concerned, I'm interested in hearing more information, and I mean beyond so-and-so said such-and-such (with no proof), about a character in a book which everyone knows contains characters who are amalgamations of various people, including Obama himself. Like, for instance, Obama's reaction would be nice to hear, if it hasn't already been given. Here's an allegation about a black poet pushing 80 years old at the time, who's supposedly running around acting like Yoda to this teen boy who's interested in girls, playing basketball, and partying in Hawaii. :doh:

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Love the cheese/rat analogy as well, it's quite appropriate.

[Thiebear]

As Lanny Davis has said:
Democrats can't believe that since they explained it during a primary: it's done.
The General Election is on now, and a much larger population is now watching.
Re-tell it.

[Sarge]

CHANGE!!!!!!!!!

We're going to get it alright :(

[Vicious]

I think it is important to know about both candidates

And now that Obama will be the nominee for the party of the Left, he should be vetted properly

Discuss


Was George Bush vetted properly? Then why was he allowed to be President being friends with all those Saudis?

[Tastes Like Chicken]

CHANGE!!!!!!!!!

We're going to get it alright :(

http://www.barackobama.com/downloads/files2/Logos_Taglines/Taglines/changewecanbelievein.jpg

:cheers:

[BigMike619]

http://www.barackobama.com/downloads/files2/Logos_Taglines/Taglines/changewecanbelievein.jpg..sike :laugh:

:cheers:

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Stop editing my freedom of speech! ;)

[BigMike619]

Stop editing my freedom of speech! ;)

my bad, you are more then right to your freedom of speech. as long as it doesnt include a confederate flag. ;) :laugh:

[Sarge]

http://www.barackobama.com/downloads/files2/Logos_Taglines/Taglines/changewecanbelievein.jpg

:cheers:

I prefer my change not include communists and racists

[Tastes Like Chicken]

my bad, you are more then right to your freedom of speech. as long as it doesnt include a confederate flag. ;) :laugh:

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/artman/uploads/dukes_002.jpg
I got your flag right here. :D

[Koolblue13]

Was George Bush vetted properly? Then why was he allowed to be President being friends with all those Saudis?

We hadn't been attacked by Saudis yet, so nobody minded putting war profiteering oil men in the WH. But now, oh wait, they are still there.:doh:

[skinthemboys]

This S.O.B has to many ties with some real questionable (at best) characters. Why anyone would believe, follow or support him, is at best, easily decieved. In other words, Foolish :2cents:

[Tastes Like Chicken]

I prefer my change not include communists and racists

I agree. :cheers:

[Tastes Like Chicken]

This S.O.B has to many ties with some real questionable (at best) characters. Why anyone would believe, follow or support him, is at best, easily decieved. In other words, Foolish :2cents:

You mean, anyone who doesn't agree with you is foolish, right? That's rich.

But you're entitled to your idiotic opinion. :cheers:

[ECU-ALUM]

In Politics just about everyone at some point has shaken hands with the Devil. The question is though...do they still shake hands with him or walk away?

[Vicious]

This S.O.B has to many ties with some real questionable (at best) characters. Why anyone would believe, follow or support him, is at best, easily decieved. In other words, Foolish :2cents:

Agreed, anyone that voted for Bush is getting what they deserve right now.

[BigMike619]

I agree that BigMike is the coolest. :cheers:

well thanks TLC. :cheers:

[Koolblue13]

But he is no Kool :cheers:

Now you never like it when I do that to you Mike.:D

[Sarge]

In Politics just about everyone at some point has shaken hands with the Devil. The question is though...do they still shake hands with him or walk away?


I'm sorry, but ANYONE who has sat in any organization for over 20 years has their thinking changed by that organization at least a little.

Between that, the influence he was raised under and some of his associates still today disqualifies him fromt he most powerful office in the world

And it says a lot about what Americans in general have become that they are so easily influenced/fooled

[Koolblue13]

I think a lawyer with shady ties is exactly the change we need.

It's like the new Clintons, only it might be with a Clinton.

Wow, will that be refreshing.

He is certain to deliver on the hope though, because I will be full of it.

[Vicious]

I'm sorry, but ANYONE who has sat in any organization for over 20 years has their thinking changed by that organization at least a little.

I know right, probably why our oil is so high. Bush and his cronies.


Between that, the influence he was raised under and some of his associates still today disqualifies him fromt he most powerful office in the world
Yeah, friends with the ones that send money to the terrorists that attacked us on 9/11.. Bastard!


And it says a lot about what Americans in general have become that they are so easily influenced/fooled
I know, the 2004 election was a shame.

[zoony]

In Politics just about everyone at some point has shaken hands with the Devil. The question is though...do they still shake hands with him or walk away?


I agree with this. It's a slippery slope to go on association alone for sure... I seem to remember a thread about the Bush family's association with the Nazi's. It gave Ken a raging :censored: , but most of us knew better.

It seems that most of this coming out about Obama is from sources with an axe to grind. One thing about the political process in this country though... I feel reasonably comfortable that most everything we need to know about both candidates will come out before the election.

Sorry... but for me, I'll need a bit better than "he knew him". I personally have known some real d-bags in my life. I hope nobody ever holds me accountable for that.


...

[BigMike619]

Now you like it when I do that little dance in front of the mirror Mike.:D


ummm...what?? :laugh:

[Vicious]

I think a lawyer with shady ties is exactly the change we need.

Lawyer? He's an oil baron. It's worked out great for us so far.


It's like the new Bush, only it might be with a Bush.



Wow, will that be refreshing.

It's been great for the oil companies.


He is certain to deliver on the hope though, because I will be full of it.

Hell yeah, our country has done great the past 8 years. I sure hope the future continues on the direction it's going.

[skinthemboys]

You mean, anyone who doesn't agree with you is foolish, right? That's rich.

But you're entitled to your idiotic opinion. :cheers:
:laugh:

Thats rich. I just dont agree with people who will support a man with obvious communist, terrorist, and racist ties. But eh, thats just me. You support him though, I'm sure he fits your type well.

[ECU-ALUM]

And it says a lot about what Americans in general have become that they are so easily influenced/fooled

It also says a lot when most people decide who they are voting for based upon one principle, "Who is the lesser of 2 evils."

[Tastes Like Chicken]

I agree with this. It's a slippery slope to go on association alone for sure... I seem to remember a thread about the Bush family's association with the Nazi's. It gave Ken a raging :censored: , but most of us knew better.

It seems that most of this coming out about Obama is from sources with an axe to grind. One thing about the political process in this country though... I feel reasonably comfortable that most everything we need to know about both candidates will come out before the election.

Sorry... but for me, I'll need a bit better than "he knew him". I personally have known some real d-bags in my life. I hope nobody ever holds me accountable for that.


...

Stop talking logically, Zoon. You know that 80 year old guy you knew when you were 16 shaped the mod who you are today!

:laugh:

[BigMike619]

how many times can you "shake hands with the devil" before you are considered evil yourself? Not saying th Obama is evil or that he even has ill intentions, but he seems to get a lot of "passes" here and people just seem to want to completely overlook some of the things that others consider eyebrow raising.

Why are some of us so willing to just look past everything while others are so willing to take a deeper look?

[zoony]

Stop talking logically, Zoon. You know that 80 year old guy you knew when you were 16 shaped the mod who you are today!

:laugh:


I'm also wondering what evidence is being presented about Obama's relations with All-American, apple pie eatin', al queada hatin', flag salutin', suburban drivin' yanks.

I'm sure he knows lots of those folks too. I bet he's even friends with some of them.

So if people are going to claim guilt by association... I would hope they make a judgement based on ALL his associates, not just the ones cherry-picked by the GOP for examination.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

:laugh:

Thats rich. I just dont agree with people who will support a man with obvious communist, terrorist, and racist ties. But eh, thats just me. You support him though, I'm sure he fits your type well.

Superb. And judging by your Obama/Osama sig, I wouldn't ever fit the mold of YOUR type. So let's agree to disagree. :cheers:

[zoony]

Why are some of us so willing to just look past everything while others are so willing to take a deeper look?


The look has gone so deep that it's come out the other end.

Take a deeper look! We all want that, except for a few who would vote for Obama even if he turned out to be Satan himself. But those people don't concern me, they exist on both sides.

So look... look deep... report back.... let us know... I'm all ears, most of us are.

So, what have we found? Again... 'he knew him'... okay, we get it. What else?

[Sarge]

It also says a lot when most people decide who they are voting for based upon one principle, "Who is the lesser of 2 evils."

That's all a large majority of conservatives have left. Obama is a Marxist and McCain is a liberal with an (R) beside his name

The right is screwed in this election

All we can do is sit back, watch Obama turn into Jimmy Carter, sit back and say "We told you so"

[zoony]

All we can do is sit back, watch Obama turn into Jimmy Carter, sit back and say "We told you so"


Sounds similar to the Dem strategy with Bush. And we know how productive and worthwhile that turned out to be. a.k.a. whining.

[Koolblue13]

ummm...what?? :laugh:

Good Lord, you win.:mad:


Your posting seems to have caught a little bit of the ghey lately Mike, might want to check on that.



It's in the closet, you know where.:D

[BigMike619]

The look has gone so deep that it's come out the other end.

Take a deeper look! We all want that, except for a few who would vote for Obama even if he turned out to be Satan himself. But those people don't concern me, they exist on both sides.

So look... look deep... report back.... let us know... I'm all ears, most of us are.

So, what have we found? Again... 'he knew him'... okay, we get it. What else?

am i sensing hostility or sarcasm here?

[ECU-ALUM]

All we can do is sit back, watch Obama turn into Jimmy Carter, sit back and say "We told you so"

History has proven one thing about Jimmy Carter and several historians agree...Carter tried to do things the way they were supposed to be done without any bribes or special favors and his own party helped sabotage him.

Hence the reason some Democrats in 1980 were willing to throw Carter under the bus and go with Ted Kennedy at the convention.

Was he perfect...oh no (kinda reminds me a lot of Frank Burns from "M*A*S*H" for some reason) but I think a lot of times he gets a raw-deal.

[Koolblue13]

Stop talking logically, Zoon. You know that 80 year old guy you knew when you were 16 shaped the mod who you are today!

:laugh:So if I said my father was the one teaching flying to the 9/11 hyjackers and knew what they were up to, but did it anyway and I had such strong ties to my Dad that I was taking a job working for him afterwards, that would be something to hold against me?

Real logical.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

how many times can you "shake hands with the devil" before you are considered evil yourself? Not saying th Obama is evil or that he even has ill intentions, but he seems to get a lot of "passes" here and people just seem to want to completely overlook some of the things that others consider eyebrow raising.

I think it was best explained here (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5241480&postcount=22) and here (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5241493&postcount=29). This is politics, connections are more often webs than ropes.

Why are some of us so willing to just look past everything while others are so willing to take a deeper look?[/QUOTE]

Depends on why you're looking and who you're looking at I suppose. There are people on both sides of the fence who would just love to find anything, to damage the other guy's candidate, no matter the extent of truth or available evidence.

If it turns out that Obama eats babies, then no I won't vote for him. Same for McCain. I'm not THAT blindly partisan to ignore all. But I need something better than this, because I'm not going to change my mind based on weaksauce like this.

[BigMike619]

Good Lord, you win.:mad:


Your posting seems to have caught a little bit of the ghey lately Mike, might want to check on that.



It's in the closet, you know where.:D

I AM NOT THE GHEY!!

IM NOT, IM NOT, IM NOT!! :laugh:

[Tastes Like Chicken]

So if I said my father was the one teaching flying to the 9/11 hyjackers and knew what they were up to, but did it anyway and I had such strong ties to my Dad that I was taking a job working for him afterwards, that would be something to hold against me?

Real logical.

:rubeyes: Huh? The analogy is lost on me. I'm not being a smartass, can you honestly walk me through this one.

[ECU-ALUM]

The look has gone so deep that it's come out the other end.

Take a deeper look! We all want that, except for a few who would vote for Obama even if he turned out to be Satan himself. But those people don't concern me, they exist on both sides.

So look... look deep... report back.... let us know... I'm all ears, most of us are.

So, what have we found? Again... 'he knew him'... okay, we get it. What else?

Zoony...you have hit it on the head for me. I used to work in the media and a lot of times it was (say something like, "Obama & Rezko") get just enough to go on the air with that won't get us sued and we'll do more fact digging later...a lot of times fact-digging never really happened.

[Koolblue13]

:rubeyes: Huh? The analogy is lost on me. I'm not being a smartass, can you honestly walk me through this one.


I should have quoted zoony, not you.

(Actually, I shouldn't have quoted anybody and kept my big mouth shut)


Edit, I don't want to get into this crap again.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

I AM NOT THE GHEY!!

IM NOT, IM NOT, IM NOT!! :laugh:


I want to have your children.

I want to hold you when its cold.

OK OK OK..

Just let me know how much.

:laugh:

[Koolblue13]

:laugh:


Big Ghey Mike gets owned.:laugh::laugh::laugh::doh:

[Tastes Like Chicken]

HW Bush sells gas, steal and chemicals to nazis. Is told not to, does it anyway and Gov't shuts him down. Then gets into politics.

son and grandson both POTUS

My Dad help 9/11 hyjackers even though he shouldn't

I then work for my dad.

All I was saying is to compair shady ties between families and freinds is apples and oranges.

The links to Obamas circles over the years could be compaired to the Clintons, but the ties of the Bush family tree is a little worse.

I should have quoted zoony, not you.

(Actually, I shouldn't have quoted anybody and kept my big mouth shut)

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying. Coffee's wearing off. And I've got 5 kids in this little pool outside so to say I'm a little distracted is an understatement. :D

[Sarge]

I should have quoted zoony, not you.

(Actually, I shouldn't have quoted anybody and kept my big mouth shut)


Edit, I don't want to get into this crap again.

Can't so anything about what your family did.

You can do something about the people you associate with in your life

[Koolblue13]

Damn, thought I got out of that one.

[BigMike619]

Im so embarrassed. not that Ive been pulled "out of the closet" but that it was done by lil half nut...

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Im so embarrassed. not that Ive been pulled "out of the closet" but that it was done by lil half nut...

50% nuts, but still 110% a-hole! :laugh:

(and to your credit buddy, I didn't even touch the 'Reic/gheyness' thread) :silly:

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Can't so anything about what your family did.
Maybe I'm confusing you with another poster but haven't you in the past
brought up Obama's relatives in Africa?

[BigMike619]

50% nuts, but still 110% a-hole! :laugh:

(and to your credit buddy, I didn't even touch the 'Reic/gheyness' thread) :silly:

tell a man you like his ass and suddenly youre gay for life.

youre "screwed" buddy, we're bunking together in Canton. ;)

[Koolblue13]

tell a man you like his ass and suddenly youre gay for life.

youre "screwed" buddy, we're bunking together in Canton. ;)

Build 100 bridges and you're still a construction worker.

Suck one............


:D

[zoony]

am i sensing hostility or sarcasm here?


I guess I should ask you the same.




p.s. What in God's name are you talking about?

[BigMike619]

I guess I should ask you the same.




p.s. What in God's name are you talking about?

I dont even know now Zoony. They got me confused with all this ghey talk. :(

[81artmonk]

IMO who you accociate with tells me alot about who you are and what you believe.

Obama, hung out with these people and sought the approval of many. Yet denounces thier influence. I know from experience that the people I hung out with as a young boy and college age man, that those people impacted my life. So to say these people didn't influence Obamas thinking and how he handles things, seems a little off to me.

We must all remeber that HE CHOSE to be accociated with these people. he wasn't forced into it, he chose these pepople and now it's coming back to haunt him!

[Tastes Like Chicken]

tell a man you like his ass and suddenly youre gay for life.

youre "screwed" buddy, we're bunking together in Canton. ;)

Better hope double H doesn't see this, he's the jealous type I hear. He might "forget" to pack the blowup mattress. :laugh:

[BigMike619]

I also find it strange that people are so quick to dismiss "association" when if I hang out with someone that has a confederate flag I am lumped right in with them or with those who flew it for bad reasons.

[ACW]

The Pittsburgh Tribune Review? Please. The guy who owns it is a right-wing nutjob:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_Project
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mellon_Scaife#Opposition_to_Bill_Clinton

[Koolblue13]

They got me confused with all this ghey talk. :(

Don't ya mean flustered?

[BigMike619]

Don't ya mean flustered?

you're fishing too hard KB. I think you're hoping more then anything else.

ya big thilly boy...

[Smoot Point Really]

Nothing I hear from this election surprises me... Certainly nothing that I hear about Barack Obama.

[Koolblue13]

you're fishing too hard KB. I think you're hoping more then anything else.

ya big thilly boy...

too hard ya say?

I'm sorry, the gay references seem to be everywhere today and I just can't help taking the easy ones. I'll try and stop Mike.

[BigMike619]

too hard ya say?

I'm sorry, the gay references seem to be everywhere today and I just can't help taking the easy ones. I'll try and stop Mike.

Dont worry bro, my sense of humor is on point today. But we should stop hijacking this thread.


Id like to get back on track by saying that while I dont think Obama is a hate monger or even racist, the characters around him indicate that he has ties to those who are.

People were telling me all day yesterday in the confederate flag thread that "first impressions" and "snap judgments" are from what you surround yourself with. Well the same thing can be said about Obama. :2cents:

[Koolblue13]

Dont worry bro, my sense of humor is on point today. But we should stop hijacking this thread.

mah, I don't mind. Obama could actually eat a real baby and people would find a way to make it be okay because of his ability to speak well.

I'd rather make gay jokes.

[BigMike619]

It may come as a shock but Ben Jones, aka "Cooter Davenport," says "rednecks" like him have nothin' but love for Barack Obama. Too bad for Jessica Simpson -- the same can't be said about her "The Dukes of Hazzard" remake.



from TMZ. Would Barrack accept the approval of this man even though the show he was on proudly displayed the confederate flag?

[Tastes Like Chicken]

from TMZ. Would Barrack accept the approval of this man even though the show he was on proudly displayed the confederate flag?

I can't speak for Barack, but flag or no flag, if Cooter like Tastes Like Chicken, then Tastes Like Chicken loves him some Cooter. :thumbsup:

[BigMike619]

I can't speak for Barack, but flag or no flag, if Cooter like Tastes Like Chicken, then Tastes Like Chicken loves him some Cooter. :thumbsup:

thats my TLC. :laugh:

[Burgold]

We hadn't been attacked by Saudis yet, so nobody minded putting war profiteering oil men in the WH. But now, oh wait, they are still there.:doh:

Calling BS here. Bin Laden was already a dangerous name. Heck, even the anti-military Bill Clinton bombed his desserted camp trying to get him. Okay, it might have been smarter to bomb it while Bin Laden was there, but you can't bomb until after tea time.

Remember Republicans crying about wagging the dog. Everyone knew that the Saudis were major players and payers and funders of terrorism. Everyone knew Bin Laden was a major rat. It's just before 9/11 many decided not to care.

[IHOPSkins]

Was George Bush vetted properly? Then why was he allowed to be President being friends with all those Saudis?Assuming you are correct....

You would have us make the same mistake twice?

[IHOPSkins]

I'm also wondering what evidence is being presented about Obama's relations with All-American, apple pie eatin', al queada hatin', flag salutin', suburban drivin' yanks.

I'm sure he knows lots of those folks too. I bet he's even friends with some of them.

So if people are going to claim guilt by association... I would hope they make a judgement based on ALL his associates, not just the ones cherry-picked by the GOP for examination.Lets see some of them groups....

From what I remember, he pissed off the Flag Pin All-Americans

[Jumbo]

Just think of how all we tailgaters have been here for that special time when IHOP found his true purpose in life...

:laugh:

[IHOPSkins]

The Pittsburgh Tribune Review? Please. The guy who owns it is a right-wing nutjob:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_Project
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mellon_Scaife#Opposition_to_Bill_Clinton Are the points valid?

Truth is independent of source

Don't make poisoning the well your ONLY point

Obama had BAD FRIENDS....... agree or disagree?

[IHOPSkins]

Just think of how all we tailgaters have been here for that special time when IHOP found his true purpose in life...

:laugh:Sheeple education!
:allhail:

[ACW]

Are the points valid?

Truth is independent of source

Don't make poisoning the well your ONLY point

Obama had BAD FRIENDS....... agree or disagree?Agree.

You can't think of anything ISSUE-wise to attack him on, so you do stupid :pooh: like this. Agree or disagree?

[Jumbo]

Sheeple education!:laugh: :applause: Glasd you took it the right way. My salute to your work: A quick title-based retrospective of recent rallies :cool:

Pitt. Tribune Review: Obama & his friends ...(past associations matter)



CBS4 in Denver: Convention Protest Groups Split From Coalition



AP:Obama used party rules to foil Clinton (Democrats Undercount White Voters)



CNN: Obama Memorial weekend speech fails to mention Military Service



Michelle Obama's Sociology Thesis



Does Obama have a Problem with Women...Sweetie?



News Leader: (MO) Democrats want to shut down (voter) ID effort



AIM:Obama’s Communist Mentor



Obama: Flip Flop on if to Talk?....Will he One on One with the Terrorists?



Real Clear Politics:Michelle Vetoes Hillary...who will Obama pick for VP?




Let Obamaneers beware! IHOP is already there! :silly: :cheers:

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Are the points valid?


Obama had BAD FRIENDS....... agree or disagree?
Were all of these friends of Obama "BAD" or were they just wrong?

There is a difference.....

[IHOPSkins]

Agree.

You can't think of anything ISSUE-wise to attack him on, so you do stupid :pooh: like this. Agree or disagree?Disagree

Disarmament

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnTaWTfwsFU

No Nukes, No Space weapons, Deep Defense Cuts

"Obama....The Appeasement President"

:insane:

[Spaceman Spiff]

Agree.

You can't think of anything ISSUE-wise to attack him on, so you do stupid :pooh: like this. Agree or disagree?

Oh, I don't know...like raising taxes, voting with his party a whopping 96% of the time?

Lets not the fact that he's the most liberal guy out there interrupt his path to the White House.

How am I supposed to believe him when he says that he'll work with Conservatives and unite everyone when he sits on the far left and his voting record shows it?

What about the very simple idea that people seem to distrust the government, yet want to elect someone who'll make it even bigger?

I'm sorry if those reasons (among others, universal health care is another) aren't valid. Yet, the American public doesn't seem to care and Obama, to his credit, knows that the past 8 years have sucked and all he has to do is say "Change" in order to have a good shot at winning. It's not rocket science.

On top of that, he's a politician from Chicago...as stated earlier, you don't rise there without shady dealings. I have a feeling (hope) that we've only started to scrape the surface with Mr. Obama and who he really is because it's the only way that'll wake people up...maybe.

[IHOPSkins]

Were all of these friends of Obama "BAD" or were they just wrong?

There is a difference.....Is it Bad or WRONG to make Nail Bombs that kill people?

"According to his memoir, Ayers became radicalized at the University of Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan) where he became involved in the New Left and the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). In 1969, Ayers joined the Weatherman, a radical group which arose as a result of a schism in SDS. The following year he "went underground" with several associates after the Greenwich Villiage townhouse explosion, in which three Weatherman members were killed while constructing a Nail Bomb. He was not facing criminal charges at the time, but the federal government later filed charges against him."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

[IHOPSkins]

....Glad you took it the right way. My salute to your work.....The last two threads before this one didn't hit 2 pages :doh: (although not necessarily Obama related)

But I make you work harder on the good ones Jumbo :nana:

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Is it Bad or WRONG to make Nail Bombs that kill people?

"According to his memoir, Ayers became radicalized at the University of Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan) where he became involved in the New Left and the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). In 1969, Ayers joined the Weatherman, a radical group which arose as a result of a schism in SDS. The following year he "went underground" with several associates after the Greenwich Villiage townhouse explosion, in which three Weatherman members were killed while constructing a Nail Bomb. He was not facing criminal charges at the time, but the federal government later filed charges against him."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers
It sure is. But you do know that Obama and Ayers aren't life-long friends or anything like that...right?

And yes...I know that he had a fundraiser for Obama and they served on a board together.

[IHOPSkins]

It sure is. But you do know that Obama and Ayers aren't life-long friends or anything like that...right?Agree

You would admit that Obama WAS Ayers friend during his most RADICAL period right?

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Agree

You would admit that Obama WAS Ayers friend during his most RADICAL period right?
Umm...Obama WAS a child during Ayers' most RADICAL period if I'm not mistaken.

[Buford]

:laugh: :applause: Glasd you took it the right way. My salute to your work: A quick title-based retrospective of recent rallies :cool:



Pitt. Tribune Review: Obama & his friends ...(past associations matter)



CBS4 in Denver: Convention Protest Groups Split From Coalition



AP:Obama used party rules to foil Clinton (Democrats Undercount White Voters)



CNN: Obama Memorial weekend speech fails to mention Military Service



Michelle Obama's Sociology Thesis



Does Obama have a Problem with Women...Sweetie?



News Leader: (MO) Democrats want to shut down (voter) ID effort



AIM:Obama’s Communist Mentor



Obama: Flip Flop on if to Talk?....Will he One on One with the Terrorists?



Real Clear Politics:Michelle Vetoes Hillary...who will Obama pick for VP?




Let Obamaneers beware! IHOP is already there! :silly: :cheers:


Talk about getting owned. Jeez, there is probably a soggy keyboard out there.

You want to take down Obama. God Speed.

Just come strong with stuff that deep down, you know will actually stick. If you keep coming weak. There will be just too much McCain stuff that would blow that out of the water. Too many recent soundbites that trump that into the ground.

We're rooting for you now.

Make us proud IHOP.....MAKE US PROUD! :cheers::cheers:

[Jumbo]

Nah, that wasn't owning, just needling. IHOP may be zealous and anxious to sieze upon possibilities, but he discusses his views in an even-tempered manner when challenged. That's not always the case around here where the polemics often become insipidly glandular.

[IHOPSkins]

.....You want to take down Obama. God Speed.....Thanks :chestram:

[IHOPSkins]

Nah, that wasn't owning, just needling. IHOP may be zealous and anxious to sieze upon possibilities, but he discusses his views in an even-tempered manner when challenged. That's not always the case around here where the polemics often become insipidly glandular.Thanks Jumbo

I apprecite it...

You know my shtick now

Oh

And I like your Glands too

Now show me how to research titles like you just did :secret:

[Vicious]

IMO who you accociate with tells me alot about who you are and what you believe.


So Bush = Making oil companies rich


Cheney = Making haliburton rich





....I think you might be onto something.

[Vicious]

Assuming you are correct....

You would have us make the same mistake twice?

I would not. I voted for Kerry and it wasn't because I liked him.

[Smoot Point Really]

Disagree

Disarmament

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnTaWTfwsFU

No Nukes, No Space weapons, Deep Defense Cuts

"Obama....The Appeasement President"

:insane:


You stole my thunder here... I was going to post this video... It's slightly different, but I like how it includes his "Patriotism" footage. :)

YouTube! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0du8wMLzEY&feature=related)

[Vicious]

Space is already the greatest weapon we have.

[Smoot Point Really]

Umm...Obama WAS a child during Ayers' most RADICAL period if I'm not mistaken.

What makes you think Ayers' is not as radical now as he was during that period? Maybe he didn't like being on the FBI's Most Wanted List and that's the reason he isn't blowing up buildings. I believe the fact that he wishes he could've done MORE during that time prove he is no less radical today than he was then. He may not want to risk his neck, but he doesn't appear to have any regrets.

[IHOPSkins]

Umm...Obama WAS a child during Ayers' most RADICAL period if I'm not mistaken.You are correct

If you take the average BOMBING dates.....kidding :laugh:

Obama was in Chicago 1985

Ayers Kicked out in 1981

Although you might be interested in this qoute

"September 11, 2001 “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Ayers is quoted in NYT article"

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/a_timeline_of_crime_for_obamas_buddy_william_ayers/

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

What makes you think Ayers' is not as radical now as he was during that period? Maybe he didn't like being on the FBI's Most Wanted List and that's the reason he isn't blowing up buildings. I believe the fact that he wishes he could've done MORE during that time prove he is no less radical today than he was then. He may not want to risk his neck, but he doesn't appear to have any regrets.
Actually Ayers said that his statement was in regards to how he should have done more to end the Vietnam War...not that he wished he had planted more bombs.

You can believe him or not. But thats what he said.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

You are correct

If you take the average BOMBING dates.....kidding :laugh:

Obama was in Chicago 1985

Ayers Kicked out in 1981

Although you might be interested in this qoute

"September 11, 2001 “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Ayers is quoted in NYT article"

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/a_timeline_of_crime_for_obamas_buddy_william_ayers/

Read my previous post.

[IHOPSkins]

You stole my thunder here... I was going to post this video... It's slightly different, but I like how it includes his "Patriotism" footage.The first time I saw it, it was titled 52 seconds why we can't vote for him....I think this is opposition video with slightly different edit points

Interesting that it still shows him as a :loser:

[HogNose]

This S.O.B has to many ties with some real questionable (at best) characters. Why anyone would believe, follow or support him, is at best, easily decieved. In other words, Foolish :2cents:


I didn't vote for the S.O.B....you are talking about Bushy aren't you?

[Buford]

Ugh, Charles Black and Rick Davis much?

If the next few months are about who each jerk is associated with. Who's going to have the nastier folks that push people away?

[IHOPSkins]

Read my previous post.Read it thanks

How about this one

Ayers publicly wished there had been more of them. Ayers escaped prosecution on procedural grounds. In the words of Ayers, "Guilty as hell, free as a bird -- America is a great country".

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/bill_ayers_and_the_subversion_1.html

Guilty of what...selective Bombings?......Bombings with a Conscience?

"Obama...My best friends are Bomb Throwers...literally"

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Read it thanks

How about this one

Ayers publicly wished there had been more of them. Ayers escaped prosecution on procedural grounds. In the words of Ayers, "Guilty as hell, free as a bird -- America is a great country".

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/04/bill_ayers_and_the_subversion_1.html

Guilty of what...selective Bombings?......Bombings with a Conscience?


"Obama...My best friends are Bomb Throwers...literally"

That doesn't paint Ayers in the best of lights but I wasn't defending his actions anyway.

[IHOPSkins]

That doesn't paint Ayers in the best of lights but I wasn't defending his actions anyway.I agree with your point that Obama was not his associate during Ayers BOMBING period

But it sure does not sound like Ayers has changed his MOTIVATION much does it?

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Someone help me out here.

What, exactly, is the connection between Obama and Ayers?

[IHOPSkins]

Someone help me out here.

What, exactly, is the connection between Obama and Ayers?"Ayers was loosely involved in Obama’s election as an Illinois state senator in the late 1990s, when he was introduced to local activists at a meeting in his house. He also donated $200 to Obama’s reelection campaign in 2001."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3736043.ece

And

"In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district’s influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

While Ayers and Dohrn may be thought of in Hyde Park as local activists, they’re better known nationally as two of the most notorious — and unrepentant — figures from the violent fringe of the 1960s anti-war movement. "

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html

[Tastes Like Chicken]

"Ayers was loosely involved in Obama’s election as an Illinois state senator in the late 1990s, when he was introduced to local activists at a meeting in his house. He also donated $200 to Obama’s reelection campaign in 2001."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3736043.ece

And

"In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district’s influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

While Ayers and Dohrn may be thought of in Hyde Park as local activists, they’re better known nationally as two of the most notorious — and unrepentant — figures from the violent fringe of the 1960s anti-war movement. "

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html

Okay. So the outgoing Democratic State Senator set up a meeting, which he attended, at the home of a prominent progressive activist in her district. And this guy later donated 200 bucks to his Democratic re-election campaign. Said guy was part of a wacko group when he was 8 years old. Is that the connection?


Sen. Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an 8-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost 40 years ago is ridiculous.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Okay. So the outgoing Democratic State Senator set up a meeting, which he attended, at the home of a prominent progressive activist in her district. And this guy later donated 200 bucks to his Democratic re-election campaign. Said guy was part of a wacko group when he was 8 years old. Is that the connection?
They also sat together on the board of a charitable organization. :silly:

[IHOPSkins]

....Is that the connection?"Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Fund, which was a paid directorship position." The Clinton campaign has since distributed a document slamming Obama for, among other things, praising Ayers's 1997 book on juvenile-justice reform and appearing on two panels with him."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080519/berman

"Bill Ayers lives in his (Obamas) neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school. They're certainly friendly, they know eachother, as anyone whose kids go to school together."

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/02/obama_and_bill_ayers.html

[DRSmith]

actually there was an interesting article written up here on Obama some might like it seems to lend credability to the op's articles

http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/2008/06/07/5800976-sun.html

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

actually there was an interesting article written up here on Obama some might like it seems to lend credability to the op's articles

http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/2008/06/07/5800976-sun.html
Isn't that more of an editorial than actual article?
Someone's opinion?

[DRSmith]

Isn't that more of an editorial than actual article?

Yeah your right I mislabelled it

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Yeah your right I mislabelled it
No problem. I wasn't trying to be a smart ***. :cheers:

[Tastes Like Chicken]

"Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Fund, which was a paid directorship position." The Clinton campaign has since distributed a document slamming Obama for, among other things, praising Ayers's 1997 book on juvenile-justice reform and appearing on two panels with him."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080519/berman

"Bill Ayers lives in his (Obamas) neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school. They're certainly friendly, they know eachother, as anyone whose kids go to school together."

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/2008/02/obama_and_bill_ayers.html

As BRAVE mentioned, they both served on the board of a charity organization. OMG

They were both on a panel at University of Chicago dealing with juvenile justice, and Obama praised him for that. Uh oh.

And now living in the same part of town with someone means that you have 'connections' with them. ****, man, I've got 67 single family homes, 118 townhomes, and hundreds of condos and apartments near me. And I don't live in anywhere near as populous an area as Hyde Park (ie the place of University of Chicago). I better start working on those background checks.

[BigMike619]

As BRAVE mentioned, they both served on the board of a charity organization. OMG

They were both on a panel at University of Chicago dealing with juvenile justice, and Obama praised him for that. Uh oh.

And now living in the same part of town with someone means that you have 'connections' with them. ****, man, I've got 67 single family homes, 118 townhomes, and hundreds of condos and apartments near me. And I don't live in anywhere near as populous an area as Hyde Park (ie the place of University of Chicago). I better start working on those background checks.

make no mistake that if you ever ran for any sort of public office it would be ran for you. that is why Clinton was asked about smoking weed in college when he was younger. "I didnt inhale" was said because he KNEW they would find out. as BS of an excuse as it was they always go back that far to see how you were and who you were associated with.

[DRSmith]

As BRAVE mentioned, they both served on the board of a charity organization. OMG

They were both on a panel at University of Chicago dealing with juvenile justice, and Obama praised him for that. Uh oh.

And now living in the same part of town with someone means that you have 'connections' with them. ****, man, I've got 67 single family homes, 118 townhomes, and hundreds of condos and apartments near me. And I don't live in anywhere near as populous an area as Hyde Park (ie the place of University of Chicago). I better start working on those background checks.

They kow each other pretty well, you do not launch a campaign from just a friends house.

The guy is not ashamed he bombed or tried to bomb US military targets during a time of war. I may not agree with war but I would never do anything to undermind the efforts or do harm to those who do fight. And I could not even sit down to a meal with a person who does

[Tastes Like Chicken]

make no mistake that if you ever ran for any sort of public office it would be ran for you. that is why Clinton was asked about smoking weed in college when he was younger. "I didnt inhale" was said because he KNEW they would find out. as BS of an excuse as it was they always go back that far to see how you were and who you were associated with.

I'm certain that what the guy down the street from me does, bears no reflection on me.

I've seen people write on here that no one does a background check for POTUS; I don't know the answer to that one.

[IHOPSkins]

....And now living in the same part of town with someone means that you have 'connections' with them. ****, man, I've got 67 single family homes, 118 townhomes, and hundreds of condos and apartments near me. And I don't live in anywhere near as populous an area as Hyde Park (ie the place of University of Chicago). I better start working on those background checks. "The Hyde Park area is only 14 blocks long and many people who live here send their children to the same school – the University of Chicago lab schools (though there are also some great public schools like Kenwood Academy!). The community has only one major supermarket, and most people who live here run across each other at some point because of how small the neighborhood is."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/16/231245/285

Although later on this article says that everybody will meet Ayers the domestic terrorist...I mean "mainstream academic"

[Tastes Like Chicken]

They kow each other pretty well, you do not launch a campaign from just a friends house.

The guy is not ashamed he bombed or tried to bomb US military targets during a time of war. I may not agree with war but I would never do anything to undermind the efforts or do harm to those who do fight. And I could not even sit down to a meal with a person who does

So if you come to DC for another Redskins game, and I set up a meeting at Ben's house to introduce you as my message board buddy, does that mean that you know Ben pretty well?

If Ben lives on your block and kicks puppies, does that mean that you are associated with puppy-kickers?

How about if Ben kicked the puppy when you were 8 years old? And 4,000 miles away?

[BigMike619]

I'm certain that what the guy down the street from me does, bears no reflection on me.

I've seen people write on here that no one does a background check for POTUS; I don't know the answer to that one.

I cant see how they dont do a background check on the most important job in the world. :2cents:

And if you have dinner with Joe Blow Terrorist down the street, even if its just an innocent dinner to you, will be brought up and discussed by everyone. Ecspecially with the internets and media today. :2cents:

[BigMike619]

So if you come to DC for another Redskins game, and I set up a meeting at Ben's house to introduce you as my message board buddy, does that mean that you know Ben pretty well?

If Ben lives on your block and kicks puppies, does that mean that you are associated with puppy-kickers?

How about if Ben kicked the puppy when you were 8 years old? And 4,000 miles away?

do you think people look at you a little funny because you and I get along so well and I am pro confederate flag? (serious question)

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Although later on this article says that everybody will meet Ayers the domestic terrorists...I mean [color=orange]"mainstream academic"
I think this statement says it all. To many people in the community Ayers
isn't a wacko radical (and I'm not justifying his actions 40yrs ago)but
a respected academic. And is it possible that Obama(like many other folk)
know Ayers as the academic and not the 60's radical?

[Tastes Like Chicken]

"The Hyde Park area is only 14 blocks long and many people who live here send their children to the same school – the University of Chicago lab schools (though there are also some great public schools like Kenwood Academy!). The community has only one major supermarket, and most people who live here run across each other at some point because of how small the neighborhood is."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/16/231245/285

Although later on this article says that everybody will meet Ayers the domestic terrorist...I mean "mainstream academic"

Neighborhoods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhoods)

Hyde Park
ZIP Code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZIP_Code)parts of 60615, 60637
Area (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area)4.27 km² (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_kilometre) (1.65 mi² (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_mile))
Population (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population) (2000)Density (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density)29,920 (up 4.51% from 1990)
7,001.3 /km²

That's nearly 30,000 people that live there, 30,000 people that he's associated with, as some would define it. Better do a thorough background check on all those people.

How many people live in your neighborhood, whose actions from the past 40 years, you are now responsible for explaining?

This is absurd.

[DRSmith]

So if you come to DC for another Redskins game, and I set up a meeting at Ben's house to introduce you as my message board buddy, does that mean that you know Ben pretty well?

If Ben lives on your block and kicks puppies, does that mean that you are associated with puppy-kickers?

How about if Ben kicked the puppy when you were 8 years old? And 4,000 miles away?

If he kicked puppies and was not sorry for it and thought it was great that he did it and I hung out with him then yes it is bad.

If I served on a board with him and we both were on that board because of my wife's doing as it was her choice who served than it appears we know him better than we are letting on

[Smoot Point Really]

You really can't make all this stuff up... Things are adding up:

1) Frank Marshall Davis - Member of the Communist Party USA
2) William Ayers - Communist Terrorist of the 60s
3) Alice Palmer - coincidentally the "only African-American journalist to travel to the Soviet Union to attend the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, according to an article Palmer wrote in the CPUSA newspaper, People's Daily World, June 19, 1986."

Combine that with ACORN and his "Community Organizing" Activities in Chicago...

Then listen to a lot of his ideas which are leftist bordering on communist and you can't help but wonder.

This guy is going to get pummeled. Every day there is new information.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

If I served on a board with him and we both were on that board because of my wife's doing as it was her choice who served than it appears we know him better than we are letting on
Obama never said that he wasn't friendly with Ayers. I just think that Obama might not view Ayers as the 60's radical.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

You really can't make all this stuff up... Things are adding up:

1) Frank Marshall Davis - Member of the Communist Party USA
2) William Ayers - Communist Terrorist of the 60s
3) Alice Palmer - coincidentally the "only African-American journalist to travel to the Soviet Union to attend the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, according to an article Palmer wrote in the CPUSA newspaper, People's Daily World, June 19, 1986."

Combine that with ACORN and his "Community Organizing" Activities in Chicago...

Then listen to a lot of his ideas which are leftist bordering on communist and you can't help but wonder.

This guy is going to get pummeled. Every day there is new information.
Well, that's great for you. Don't you want Obama to get pummeled everyday?

[IHOPSkins]

....How many people live in your neighborhood, whose actions from the past 40 years, you are now responsible for explaining?....You act like them meeting in this area would be a random event, THEY KNOW EACH OTHER for YEARS

Ayers was a FUNDRAISER for him..and probably IS a fundraiser now

Ayers is UNREPENTANT about his prior activities


They take BATHS together :high5:


Well....2 outta 3 ain't bad :laugh:

[Tastes Like Chicken]

do you think people look at you a little funny because you and I get along so well and I am pro confederate flag? (serious question)

I don't really care, honestly. You can't please everybody and I've made a lot of friends from here and I'm sure there's a fair number who probably can't stand me. It is what it is. I'm friends with people ie. you, because of what we have in common, and I respect that there are differences. And I typically don't go looking for a fight, but I'll fight if I'm cornered. I'll also fight to the end for a friend.

Do you think people look at you a little funny because you and I get along so well and I am anti-confederate flag?

I'm also good friends with the 'board racist' (unfair label in every sense). Here I am 1/2 asian 1/2 white and married to a black woman. He and I joke that I'm ruining his rep. :laugh:

I'm actually surprised that I've gotten involved in these political threads. I'm relatively new to politics and it's frustrating to make the same arguments and refute the same claims constantly, with the same people over and over, ad nauseum. I think I should take a break from these discussions. It's not like you're gonna sway someone's vote arguing on a football message board. This is supposed to be fun, and this isn't fun for me right now.

I don't hold anything personal against those I debate/argue with; I'm ready to just agree to disagree at this point on all things Obama/McCain/Other.

[Smoot Point Really]

Well, that's great for you. Don't you want Obama to get pummeled everyday?

Actually, no... I wanted the two best candidates to face each other in the fall. HRC would've been better than BHO.

[DRSmith]

Obama never said that he wasn't friendly with Ayers. I just think that Obama might not view Ayers as the 60's radical.

It is one thing to be a 60's radical, this guy was a terrorists and is not sorry for the violence he wrought

They declared war on the US

The thing I find interesting is the number of radicals who Obama associates whose motivation is race related also such as the weathermen's Ayers Wright et al

Their action were doen after meeting with communists enemies of the US from north vietnam and cuba, I guess now they would go meet with Iran

[BigMike619]

same arguments = welcome to political threads. you have to weed thru the rehashed BS in order to get to anything with some meat in it.

damn. black, white, asian, half nut. you are all the way out there. HAHA!!

and people I hang out with dont care about whether you love or hate the flag but what you are offering as a man..

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

It is one thing to be a 60's radical, this guy was a terrorists and is not sorry for the violence he wrought

They declared war on the US

The thing I find interesting is the number of radicals who Obama associates whose motivation is race related also such as the weathermen's Ayers Wright et al

Their action were doen after meeting with communists enemies of the US from north vietnam and cuba, I guess now they would go meet with Iran :doh:

[kramdizzle]

Oh, I don't know...like raising taxes, voting with his party a whopping 96% of the time?

Lets not the fact that he's the most liberal guy out there interrupt his path to the White House.

How am I supposed to believe him when he says that he'll work with Conservatives and unite everyone when he sits on the far left and his voting record shows it?

What about the very simple idea that people seem to distrust the government, yet want to elect someone who'll make it even bigger?

I'm sorry if those reasons (among others, universal health care is another) aren't valid. Yet, the American public doesn't seem to care and Obama, to his credit, knows that the past 8 years have sucked and all he has to do is say "Change" in order to have a good shot at winning. It's not rocket science.

On top of that, he's a politician from Chicago...as stated earlier, you don't rise there without shady dealings. I have a feeling (hope) that we've only started to scrape the surface with Mr. Obama and who he really is because it's the only way that'll wake people up...maybe.

Fantastic job of breaking it down. I was going to say something along those lines as well. As a conservative i considered voting for him b/c i was not happy with our nominie, still am not thrilled, BUT when i found out some of his story that went out the window. I was hoping to give people more credit with thinking but i think a lot of his followers would jump off a cliff if he said there was a change at the bottom.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I love all you guys (and yes..even the ones I disagree with)but I think I better take a break from the Tailgate.


Have fun guys... :cheers:

[Tastes Like Chicken]

same arguments = welcome to political threads. you have to weed thru the rehashed BS in order to get to anything with some meat in it.

damn. black, white, asian, half nut. you are all the way out there. HAHA!!

and people I hang out with dont care about whether you love or hate the flag but what you are offering as a man..

I hear you, bro. And one stance on an issue like a flag doesn't define who you are as my friend. I shoot for the more general "what's in your heart" type of feeling. Similar thing with my view of politicians. None of them are 100% pure and clean, but my gut tells me certain things about McCain and Obama. Neither of them are all that bad, especially when compared with past elections IMO.

[IHOPSkins]

Obama never said that he wasn't friendly with Ayers. I just think that Obama might not view Ayers as the 60's radical.Maybe Obama views Ayers as his SUGAR DADDY.....

"...Barack also was essentially an employee of Bill Ayers for eight years.

In 1995, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created to raise funds to help reform the Chicago public schools. One of the architects of the Challenge was none other than Professor Bill Ayers. Ayers co-wrote the initial grant proposal and proudly lists himself on his own website as the co-founder of the Challenge.

And who did William Ayers, co-creator of the Challenge, help select as the new director of the board for this program? Barack Obama. Barack Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge."

http://wizbangpolitics.com/2008/04/28/obamas-ayers-evasions-dont-hold-up.php

[OrangeSkin]

It is one thing to be a 60's radical, this guy was a terrorists and is not sorry for the violence he wrought

They declared war on the US

The thing I find interesting is the number of radicals who Obama associates whose motivation is race related also such as the weathermen's Ayers Wright et al

Their action were doen after meeting with communists enemies of the US from north vietnam and cuba, I guess now they would go meet with Iran
Where'd you hear that the Weathermen were in cahoots with North Vietman and Cuba? That is 100% untrue. They were an extreme offshoot of Students for a Democratic Society trying to bring about a violent overthrow of the U.S. government. Their first action consisted of a few hundred young adults rioting in the streets of Chicago.

And are you saying that Ayers is racially motivated in the same vein as Wright? They were loosely associated with the Black Panthers, but Ayers and Bernadine Dhorn are both lily-white. :doh:

Anyways, yes Bill Ayers IS a mainstream academic. If you think Ayers and Obama are talking about bomb making and violent revolution when they run into each other at the supermarket, then you are an idiot.

He said this a few years ago:


I’ve thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, it’s impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don’t think so. I think what we did was to respond to a situation that was unconscionable.

He's not STILL plotting to overthrow the government, essentially his meaning by being unrepentant is that he should have taken any means neccessary to end the Vietnam war, and in case you haven't noticed, the war in Vietnam is over.


In 1995, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created to raise funds to help reform the Chicago public schools. One of the architects of the Challenge was none other than Professor Bill Ayers. Ayers co-wrote the initial grant proposal and proudly lists himself on his own website as the co-founder of the Challenge.

And who did William Ayers, co-creator of the Challenge, help select as the new director of the board for this program? Barack Obama. Barack Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge."
THE HORROR, you mean Ayers chose a rising political star to head a board dedicated to RAISING FUNDS TO IMPROVE PUBLIC SCHOOLS? Obviously Obama is a communist bent on world domination. Does this mean anything? :doh:

[IHOPSkins]

..... Obviously Obama is a communist bent on world domination....http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/marxists.jpg
:laugh:

[OrangeSkin]

http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/marxists.jpg
:laugh:
So you admit that you have no response.

[IHOPSkins]

So you admit that you have no response.Ok I'll play

The last qoute was mine so thats what I will respond to....

"Does it mean anything?"

It means that AYERS has not changed his opinions and that those opinions will INFLUENCE HIS DECISIONS Today

People that freely associate with him share or consider his views LEGITIMATE....I do not

Now

Do I want a RADICAL 60s UNREPENTANT BOMBER anywhere NEAR or in any way able to INFLUENCE children?.....NO!

Now Your Question...

Given that Ayers has Admited his Guilt.....do you think Obama should have EVER associated with him?

[OrangeSkin]

Ayers doesn't set bombs anymore and he doesn't advocate anyone else setting bombs in the present day, sorry if you can't believe that. His main gripe was the conduct of the United States in Vietnam, hence the crumbling and ultimate disbanding of the Weather Underground after Vietnam.

Yes, Obama should have associated with him because Ayers is a respected academic and philanthropist in Chicago. He's doing great things for public education. Why shouldn't Obama associate with him, assuming they're not conspiring to bring about a socialist revolution? He's obviously very well respected by people that know better than you.

I agree that Obama probably shouldn't appoint Ayers to secretary of state, but their relationship is hardly even significant.

[81artmonk]

So Bush = Making oil companies rich


Cheney = Making haliburton rich





....I think you might be onto something.

:doh:

[Smoot Point Really]

I think Obama is intentionally deceptive or blindly naive. He probably started out naive and is trying to cover it up by being deceptive. Look at the whole "frank" issue?

[Koolblue13]

Oh, I don't know...like raising taxes, voting with his party a whopping 96% of the time?

Lets not the fact that he's the most liberal guy out there interrupt his path to the White House.

How am I supposed to believe him when he says that he'll work with Conservatives and unite everyone when he sits on the far left and his voting record shows it?

What about the very simple idea that people seem to distrust the government, yet want to elect someone who'll make it even bigger?

I'm sorry if those reasons (among others, universal health care is another) aren't valid. Yet, the American public doesn't seem to care and Obama, to his credit, knows that the past 8 years have sucked and all he has to do is say "Change" in order to have a good shot at winning. It's not rocket science.

On top of that, he's a politician from Chicago...as stated earlier, you don't rise there without shady dealings. I have a feeling (hope) that we've only started to scrape the surface with Mr. Obama and who he really is because it's the only way that'll wake people up...maybe.QFT

That's exactly how I feel.


Space is already the greatest weapon we have.

Good, I thought it was knowledge, that wouldn't be good.

[Vicious]

Good, I thought it was knowledge, that wouldn't be good.


That's exactly what it is. A bird's eye view of the entire world, knowledge. In World War 2 we would blot out the sky with all the bombers we had to put in the air to be effective. Now, we need a single plane. The bomb knows where to go. The missile launched from the ship knows where to go. The ICBM knows where to go.

[Vicious]

You really can't make all this stuff up... Things are adding up:

1) Frank Marshall Davis - Member of the Communist Party USA
2) William Ayers - Communist Terrorist of the 60s
3) Alice Palmer - coincidentally the "only African-American journalist to travel to the Soviet Union to attend the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, according to an article Palmer wrote in the CPUSA newspaper, People's Daily World, June 19, 1986."

Combine that with ACORN and his "Community Organizing" Activities in Chicago...

Then listen to a lot of his ideas which are leftist bordering on communist and you can't help but wonder.

This guy is going to get pummeled. Every day there is new information.


"Doug Goodyear, whose firm once represented Burma’s repressive regime. It has also been revealed that Doug Davenport, a regional campaign manager for McCain, was a lobbyist at the same firm who worked directly on the Myanmar account during 2002."

[ACW]

"Doug Goodyear, whose firm once represented Burma’s repressive regime. It has also been revealed that Doug Davenport, a regional campaign manager for McCain, was a lobbyist at the same firm who worked directly on the Myanmar account during 2002."Wow, given the choice between Commies (including one who was a domestic terrorist) and people who represented Burma, I'll take the former.

[DRSmith]

Where'd you hear that the Weathermen were in cahoots with North Vietman and Cuba? That is 100% untrue. They were an extreme offshoot of Students for a Democratic Society trying to bring about a violent overthrow of the U.S. government. Their first action consisted of a few hundred young adults rioting in the streets of Chicago.

you should read your history


Like Davidson and Hayden, Dohrn, along with other members of the
Weather Underground, traveled to Cuba to meet with representatives of
the communist North Vietnamese and Cuban governments as the Vietnam
war raged. Ayers participated in more than 30 bombings during his
11-year reign of underground terror. He says his only regret is not
doing more to "bring the war home" to America. In an article he
penned for the New York Times op-ed page ironically published Sept.
11, 2001, he wrote: "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough."


http://sixties-l.blogspot.com/2008/05/radical-from-60s-stoked-by-barack-carl.html



And are you saying that Ayers is racially motivated in the same vein as Wright? They were loosely associated with the Black Panthers, but Ayers and Bernadine Dhorn are both lily-white. :doh:

Anyways, yes Bill Ayers IS a mainstream academic. If you think Ayers and Obama are talking about bomb making and violent revolution when they run into each other at the supermarket, then you are an idiot.


hate to tell you this junior but lot radicals did not care that they were not white when they sided up with the radical groups, such the black panthers or the black liberation army, heck these guys thought Manson was great

[Sarge]

[QUOTE=IHOPSkins;5241323]http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_571431.html

What was very disturbing to us was the fact that Barack Obama had covered up the true identity of this "Frank" who played such a role in his life just before he went off to college (in the late 1970s). There are several references in his book to this "Frank." We discovered that "Frank" was indeed Frank Marshall Davis, who was a member of a Soviet-sponsored communist network on the island of Hawaii. We think Obama should be asked to explain why he didn't reveal Frank's true identity in his book. We looked into this and had confirmed by several sources that Frank was indeed Frank Marshall Davis, and that he had a considerable influence on Obama. But we cannot really get a rational explanation of why Obama would cover up the identity of this Stalinist agent

Later

"What we know is that Barack Obama's grandfather introduced Obama to Frank Marshall Davis because Barack Obama needed someone to look up to. Remember, this was a time when Barack Obama's black father had abandoned his family. Barack Obama's grandfather thought that Davis would fulfill the role of male role model and mentor -- and that's the role that he played"

Also

"Now when he gets to Chicago, we find that once again he gravitates and comes into the company of the most extreme anti-American elements, including socialists and communists. Keep in mind that the Weather Underground terrorists, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, were communist terrorists. They were not just '60s radicals. These were people who openly supported the communist enemy killing Americans in Vietnam"

And

"the FBI would always examine somebody's associations when they looked at somebody to determine if they were suitable for federal employment. They would look for contacts with foreign countries, foreign individuals, hostile governments and hostile intelligence services"

emphasis mine



I think it is important to know about both candidates

And now that Obama will be the nominee for the party of the Left, he should be vetted properly















I eagerly await MSNBC,once they get done doing tabloid TV, to fully investigate this list of characters

[Monte51Coleman]

I'm shocked that Sarge bumped this. :ols:

[Sarge]

I'm shocked that Sarge bumped this. :ols:


Why? Because it shows people the hypocracy of the left?

Where are all the lefties digging through the backgrounds of these scuzzballs trying to find out if they wear maxi's or supermaxi's?

[Monte51Coleman]

Why? Because it shows people the hypocracy of the left?

No. Because you are usually the first to cry foul when someone from the left or center posts anything similar to your normal propaganda.

[Sarge]

No. Because you are usually the first to cry foul when someone from the left or center posts anything similar to your normal propaganda.

Great. Now explain how Obama's associates and mentors are propaganda as opposed to the "Sarah Palin had her daughters secret love baby" theories from the left

[GoSkins561]

Maybe I'm confusing you with another poster but haven't you in the past
brought up Obama's relatives in Africa?


I have brought up his terrorist brother on several occasions.

He isn't someone I want stepping foot in our country.

You would love for these issues to go away, guess what they won't and they shouldn't.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I have brought up his terrorist brother on several occasions.

He isn't someone I want stepping foot in our country.

You would love for these issues to go away, guess what they won't and they shouldn't.
I would respond but this thread is so old that I don't even know what you are talking about.:cheers:

[IHOPSkins]

....This guy is going to get pummeled. Every day there is new information.Unless of course the Leftwing media HIDES it........

.......The McCain campaign approached us with a story they had on Obama, which needed a second source to confirm. They had found a young woman in Hyde Park who had played with the older Obama girl on occasion, and knew about babysitting William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn did for the Obama girls. The young woman was the daughter of a McCain supporter in Hyde Park (probably the only McCain supporter in Hyde Park), and was barely a teenager. The McCain camp went to Ben Smith with this story, but he refused to look into it because the only witness to the Ayers/Dohrn babysitting operation was a teenaged girl who happened to be the daughter of a McCain supporter.

We were charged with finding someone else who could verify that Ayers/Dohrn babysat the Obama girls. We brought their old swimming instructor up, and Ben Smith shot that person (now a respected advertising executive) down because she, too, was a Republican and a McCain supporter. So, Ben Smith refused to do a write-up on the Ayers/Dorhn babysitting…despite getting two different people who didn’t know each other to verify that this happened on more than one occasion.......

http://hillbuzz.org/2010/07/22/our-experience-with-journolist-member-and-committed-obama-operative-ben-smith-during-the-2008-general-election/


......Where are all the lefties digging through the backgrounds of these scuzzballs trying to find out if they wear maxi's or supermaxi's?I miss Sarge

[Kaleokualoha]

The Pittsburgh Tribune Review misrepresents the truth, and is part of the Mellon-Scaife disinformation network (which includes so-called "Accuracy In Media"). For example, it claimed that Frank Marshall Davis (b. 1905)was a lifelong member of the CPUSA, although he only joined during WWII when the Soviet Union was our ally (see http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/mostread/s_571431.html (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/mostread/s_571431.html)). Numerous request to substantiate this claim were stonewalled. You may wish to ask the author yourself.

[Thiebear]

His assoctiations of the past bother me quite a bit.
I'm sure Bush associations of the past bother liberals quite a bit.

[Burgold]

His assoctiations of the past bother me quite a bit.
I'm sure Bush associations of the past bother liberals quite a bit.

Yeah, Bush's associations bothered us quite a bit. Especially, Cheney. (Not to mention that he and his family were dear friends with the Bin Ladens and that he and Laura used to double date with Osama)

[Bang]

Did Bill Ayers get a cabinet post or something?

I haven't heard his name since the election.

~Bang

[Beans]

Obama is scary to me.

Although just speculation, his ties and associations with such radicals is some serious smoke. Everyone knows the old saying.

Obama wasn't just associated with one or two, he was associated with many. Ranging from domestic terrorists, to communists, to full blown racists. I've never seen such controversy associated with a single politician.

I also think Obama is an empty suit with not much going on upstairs. He has an agenda and is sticking to it. With teleprompter on, he sounds articulate. Teleprompter off, he sounds like a third rate baptist preacher.

[Kaleokualoha]

Obama is scary to me.

Although just speculation, his ties and associations with such radicals is some serious smoke. Everyone knows the old saying.

Obama wasn't just associated with one or two, he was associated with many. Ranging from domestic terrorists, to communists, to full blown racists. I've never seen such controversy associated with a single politician.

I also think Obama is an empty suit with not much going on upstairs. He has an agenda and is sticking to it. With teleprompter on, he sounds articulate. Teleprompter off, he sounds like a third rate baptist preacher.
How does he sound compared to Bush?

[Peeping Wizard]

How does he sound compared to Bush?

Barack? Is that you? I believe that you aren't supposed to actually use the word "Bush" in your retort, the party has requested that you instead use the phrase "the last 8 years" when invoking a Bush/Obama comparison.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[Predicto]

Obama is scary to me.

Although just speculation, his ties and associations with such radicals is some serious smoke. Everyone knows the old saying.



"Where there's mud, there's someone throwing it?"




Obama wasn't just associated with one or two, he was associated with many. Ranging from domestic terrorists, to communists, to full blown racists. I've never seen such controversy associated with a single politician.



You haven't been looking very hard. The association game is very easy to play, and very profitable land to till if you are a partisan hack.



I also think Obama is an empty suit with not much going on upstairs. He has an agenda and is sticking to it. With teleprompter on, he sounds articulate. Teleprompter off, he sounds like a third rate baptist preacher.

Nothing could be further from the truth. How even the most partisan hater claims this with a straight face is beyond me.

[Destino]

Wake me when he takes our guns, converts to Islam, and sides with the terrorists against real America.

[SKOALSKIN]

Bush was associated with Rumsfeld and Cheney.

[Kaleokualoha]

This is one reason the entire "association" factor is irrelevant to federal security clearance adjudication. Neither his foreign relatives, associations, nor teenage drug use would render him ineligible.

Despite continuing right-wing disinformation, Barack Obama would meet the eligibility criteria for access to TS/SCI (SI/TK/G/B et al.) information. Despite continuing right-wing disinformation, his association with radicals does not render him ineligible for access. Despite continuing right-wing disinformation, candidates are assessed by examining THEIR actions, not the actions of their associates. Despite continuing right-wing disinformation, "guilt by association" is an invalid basis for adjudicating security clearances.

This canard was debunked by the St. Petersburg Times last October 10th (see http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/800/ ).

QUESTION: "List foreign national relatives whom you or your spouse are bound by affection, obligation, or close and continuing contact"

RESPONSE: Obama is not bound to his father or stepfather because both are deceased, nor is he bound "by affection, obligation, or close and continuing contact" to his relatives in Africa.

QUESTION: "Have you ever been an officer or a member or made a contribution to an organization dedicated to the violent overthrow of the United States Government and which engages in illegal activities to that end, knowing that the organization engages in such activities with the specific intent to further such activities? Have you ever knowingly engaged in any acts or activities designed to overthrow the United States Government by force?"

RESPONSE: Obama could truthfully answer "no," because he was neither a member nor contributed to such organizations. Neither serving alongside William Ayers, nor granting funding to Khaladi's group meets the disqualifying criteria. Associating with members of a disqualifying group does NOT disqualify a candidate for a security clearance, nor does his association with Rev. Wright or Frank Marshall Davis. Security clearance criteria evaluate the subject's participation in subversive organizations, not guilt by associating with members. Further, activity younger than 16 is specifically excluded from consideration (see http://www.tpub.com/content/aviation/14243/css/14243_219.htm) .

The SF86, Questionnaire for National Security Positions, can be downloaded at http://www.opm.gov/Forms/pdf_fill/sf86.pdf . I have identified the pertinent questions for you: Question 19 asks about foreign contacts. Question 23 only asks about drug use in the past seven years. Question 29, Association Record, asks about disqualifying associations.

Then are we in agreement?

- Obama would not need to report any foreign national relatives because Obama is not bound to his father or stepfather because both are deceased, nor is he bound "by affection, obligation, or close and continuing contact" to his relatives in Africa.

- Obama would not need to report those "questionable" associations because he was neither a member of, nor contributed to, disqualifying organizations.

- Obama would not need to report any drug use more than seven years ago.

[Predicto]

I just realized what this means! I once served on a charitable Board of Directors with a guy who is now in prison for securities fraud. One of my childhood aquaintances went to prison for drug dealing. I went to the same high school as traitor Aldrich Ames.

Guess my political career is done.:mad:

[Larry]

My favorite example of this was when they breathlessly discovered that:

Obama once worked for Law firm XYZ.
Another lawyer who worked for XYZ, (at a different time), was once appointed to sit on the board of a charity.
That charity also had, on it's board, person A.
Person A, years ago had committed a crime.

(Oh, and the attorney from XYZ who was on that board? Attended one meeting, and resigned. Because he didn't like Person A.)

[Kaleokualoha]

Virtually everyone with higher education has associated with diverse groups of people, including those with far left to far right ideologies.

[Larry]

Virtually everyone with higher education has associated with diverse groups of people, including those with far left to far right ideologies.

Tommie Lee Jones and Al Gore were roommates at Princeton.