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Fergasun
June-7th-2008, 04:00 PM
I was looking on some more information regarding DMCA/copyright and wanted to look back in time at what some people had to say regarding this... I found an interesting interview from 2001 posted on Slashdot (http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/12/21/155221).

Re: Copyright Law Changes
I am not against copyright. I think the copyright our framers gave us, for example (a term of 14 years, renewable once; granted only if you register; for limited kinds of work; and protecting a limited range of rights) was a bit weak, but not much. I would favor a somewhat stronger right than they gave us, but for just about as long. Yet obviously I believe copyright law has gone too far, at least in the digital age. When the power of creativity has been granted to a much wider range of creators because of a change in technology, the law of yesterday no longer makes sense. It must be changed.
The question is how will it be changed? Disobedience is one technique. It is risky and increasingly costly. But that's not why I would resist disobedience. The problem I have with disobedience is that it reenforces the Valenti-way of looking at the world. Copyright hoarders demand increasingly extreme rights so that they may exercise almost perfect control over how their content gets used. In response, the civil disobedience movement sends a message that they should have no control over how their content gets used at all. Between perfect control and no control, most would choose perfect control. And hence, we lose....
But we should not be calling for the repeal of all copyright. We should be calling for a balanced and limited form of copyright - much like the right of our framers - that gives artists the right to earn a living, without giving copyright hoarders the power to veto innovation.Re: Judges and their technical understanding
There was a time when I thought that lawyers wouldn't do too much damage. The first Supreme Court case about cyberspace, Reno v. ACLU, striking down the Communications Decency Act of 1996, made it sound as if the constitution required that lawyers be careful before they muck up this free speech haven. Reno put a strong burden on the state to demonstrate that the state's regulation won't do any harm. That made the future sound hopeful. All that has changed now. As the courts have shifted from porn to copyright, concern for balance, and limits have disappeared. Courts make illegal all sorts of technology because of its "threat" to copyright, without any concern about whether such regulation will threaten cyberspace and free speech generally....

The passion that is expended to defend the right to encrypt is wonderful and important. But just as important to the future of freedom is to assure that end-to-end values don't get corrupted by cable companies or network owners. Just as important to the future of freedom is to assure that essential parts of the network not become corrupted by copyright hoarders. And just as important to the future of freedom is to assure that spectrum remain free from the regulation and control of the state. Re: Software like Freenet, OpenNap, Gnutella (pre-BitTorrent software)
I support these technologies. More importantly, I support the right of innovators to develop these technologies. But I don't support copyright violations using these technologies. You'd think this would be an easy distinction to understand: We live in a country where 10 children are killed by hand guns every day. But Smith and Wesson doesn't worry that the FBI will come arrest them because someone used their technology to commit a crime. The law targets illegal uses of technologies, not the technologies - at least where there is a legitimate and legal use of that technology. Yet because of our extremism when it comes to copyright law, we ban technologies that threaten copyright interests whether or not they have legitimate, independent uses. Plenty of more interesting comments. I think Lessig was thinking about running for Congress this year but didn't. Very interesting...

jpillian
June-7th-2008, 04:32 PM
we ban technologies that threaten copyright interests whether or not they have legitimate, independent useS


I'd be interested in what technologies have been banned due to copyright statutes.

Unless he's defining a technology as a particular application of technology (i.e., a particular product or service), I really don't understand the reference. Perhaps someone can help me out?

Fergasun
June-7th-2008, 04:47 PM
A number of cases:
1) Dmitry Skylarov, a Russian software engineer arrested in America after Adobe complained about software he was making (in Russia).
2) The restriction of software that helps the public exercise "fair use" rights. Academic work such as SDMI initiative.
3) Computer researches who find flows in software (see HP case, and another case with security flaw in HDCP). A number of software has been removed for fear that US authorities will arrest the authors on DCMA violations.
4) Censoring of discussion regarding DeCSS software and methods of moving TiVO files off of computer for fear that this discussion will run amuck of DMCA.
5) Mod chips that people put on their XBox and Playstations... even though they've bought the hardware.

All of this stuff has been attacked under DMCA restriction.

Larry
June-7th-2008, 06:20 PM
At least the ones I've read about:

Know why digital audio tape was never made legal in the US? Because Congress couldn't agree on what kind of copy protection to mandate that everybody build into it.

Know why HDMI was invented? People making Hi-Def DVD players and DVRs had to have a way that they could tell if the device that was plugged into their output was a display or a recording device (so that, if a recording device were plugged in, the player could intentionally degrade the signal, because we can't have people making recordings of hi-def images.) Therefore, there had to be a way for a monitor to tell the player "Hey, I don't have the ability to record, so you don't have to degrade your signal".

TheLongshot
June-7th-2008, 08:50 PM
Know why digital audio tape was never made legal in the US? Because Congress couldn't agree on what kind of copy protection to mandate that everybody build into it.

DAT isn't illegal in the US. Professionals use DAT all the time to record stuff. Certainly, the reason why it never made it as a consumer format probably was because of copy protection concerns. (Course, copying CDs haven't stopped that format from being popular, but they have been looking for a replacement for a while...)

Jason

SpringfieldSkins
June-7th-2008, 10:03 PM
Know why HDMI was invented? People making Hi-Def DVD players and DVRs had to have a way that they could tell if the device that was plugged into their output was a display or a recording device (so that, if a recording device were plugged in, the player could intentionally degrade the signal, because we can't have people making recordings of hi-def images.) Therefore, there had to be a way for a monitor to tell the player "Hey, I don't have the ability to record, so you don't have to degrade your signal".


I agree, that is why HDMI was made. You can still get HD signal from component cables and digital sound from optical or coaxial cables. HDMI just does all of your HD needs in one, so it's more convenient.

(I'm not sure about the Dolby True HD, whether it's just the decoder in your reciever or if you actually need HDMI cables for that one)


There are Blue Ray burners out there and programs that remove all of the copy protection. The only problem with that is Blue Ray discs are at a premium and Blue Ray burners are expensive as hell.



That was an interesting read though and Lawrence Lessig did bring up some very good points, even if it was from 2001.