CBS Sports / PFW: Top 50 Players / Season Preview Mag

[ImRickJamesB]

I recently bought the CBS Sports / Pro Football Weekly 2008 season preview magazine..... I really enjoyed their player rankings... They ranked the top 20-30 at each position and also their top 50 regardless of position... Sorry if this has been posted before, I tried to do a search, but it came up saying "fatal error".... Maybe this can save a few people the $7.50 it cost me......

Here's their top 50....
The Criteria: 1. Performance in 2007 2. Potential 3. Value to team 4. Overall career performance (scale of 0-5)...

1. Tom Brady - 4.85 -- QB - Patriots

2. Peyton Manning - 4.8 -- QB - Colts

3. LaDanian Tomlinson - 4.7 -- RB - Chargers

4. Randy Moss - 4.7 -- WR - Patriots

5. Jarred Allen - 4.55 -- DE - Chiefs

6. DeMarcus Ware - 4.45 -- OLB - Cowboys

7. Carson Palmer - 4.45 -- QB - Bengals

8. Terrell Owens - 4.45 -- WR - Cowboys

9. Champ Bailey - 4.45 -- CB - Broncos

10. Bob Sanders - 4.45 -- SS - Colts

11. Steve Smaith - 4.45 -- WR - Panthers

12. Brian Westbrook - 4.35 -- RB - Eagles

13. Antonio Gates - 4.35 -- TE - Chargers

14. Shawn Merriman - 4.35 -- OLB - Chargers

15. Ben Roethlisberger - 4.3 -- QB - Steelers

16. Adrian Peterson - 4.3 -- RB - Vikings

17. Drew Brees - 4.3 -- QB - Saints

18. Tony Romo - 4.3 -- QB - Cowboys

19. Walter Jones - 4.25 -- OLT - Seahawks

20. Steven Jackson - 4.25 -- RB - Rams

21. Reggie Wayne - 4.25 -- WR - Colts

22. Mario Williams - 4.2 -- DE - Texans

23. Brian Urlacher - 4.2 -- MLB - Bears

24. Albert Haynesworth - 4.2 -- DT - Titans

25. Kevin Williams - 4.2 -- DT - Vikings

26. Andre Johnson - 4.2 -- WR - Texans

27. Jason Peters - 4.1 -- OT - Bills

28. Osi Umenyiora - 4.1 -- DE - Giants

29. Nnamdi Asomugha - 4.1 -- CB - Raiders

30. Ed Reed - 4.1 -- FS - Ravens

31. Matt Hasselbeck - 4.1 -- QB - Seahawks

32. Chad Johnson - 4.1 -- WR - Bengals

33. Asante Samuel - 4.05 -- CB - Eagles

34. Larry Fitzgerald - 4.05 -- WR - Cardinals

35. Marcus Trufant - 4.05 -- CB - Seahawks

36. Terrance Newman - 4.05 -- CB - Cowboys

37. Jason Taylor - 4.0 -- OLB - Dolphins

38. Braylon Edwards - 4.0 -- WR - Browns

39. Dwight Freeney - 4.0 -- DE - Colts

40. Antonio Cromartie - 4.0 -- CB - Chargers

41. Tony Gonzalez - 4.0 -- TE - Chiefs

42. Kellen Winslow Jr. - 4.0 -- TE - Browns

43. Larry Johnson - 4.0 -- RB - Chiefs

44. Marion Barber III - 4.0 -- RB - Cowboys

45. Lofa Tatupa - 4.0 -- MLB - Seahawks

46. Devin Hester - 4.0 -- RS - Bears

47. Tommie Harris - 4.0 -- DT - Bears

48. Shawn Andrews - 4.0 -- OG - Eagles

49. DeMeco Ryans - 4.0 -- MLB - Texans

50. Patrick Willis - 4.0 -- ILB - 49ers

[ImRickJamesB]

Here's how our NFC-East players faired in their NFL postional rankings...

QB
Romo - 6th
Eli - 8th
McNabb - 10th
Campbell - 19th

RB
Westbrook - 2nd
Barber III - 6th
Portis - 16th
Jacobs - 18th

TE
Witten - 4th
Cooley - 5th
Shockey - 9th
Smith - 11th

WR
Owens - 2nd
Burress - 9th
Santana - 28th

C
Gurode - 1st
O'hara - 12th
Jackson - 15th
Rabach - 16th

OG
Andrews - 1st
Davis - 2nd
Snee - 8th
R. Thomas - 16th
Kendall - 18th

OT
Flozell - 3rd
Samuels - 5th
T. Thomas - 12th
Jansen - 22nd
Colombo - 23rd
McKenzie - 26th

DE
Umenyiora - 3rd
Cole - 12th
Tuck - 13th
Canty - 30th

DT
Griffin - 16th
Bunkley - 18th

ILB
Fletcher - 5th
Z. Thomas - 8th
Pierce - 12th

OLB
Ware - 1st
Ellis - 17th

CB
Samuel - 3rd
Newman - 5th
Springs - 16th
Sheppard - 19th
Webster - 20th

S
Hamlin - 6th
Dawkins - 8th
Landry - 11th
Williams - 17th


This is the way they predict the NFC-East in 2008......

1. Cowboys - 12-4
2. Giants - 11-5 *wildcard
3. Eagles - 9-7
4. Redskins - 6-10

SUPER BOWL XLIII -- Patriots over Cowboys

[jnhay]

I'm surprised they ranked Redskins players.

[DWinzit]

A lot of injuries last season held back Redskins from making this list or being higher on it.

It is nice to see Fletcher receiving recognition.

Where is Andre Carter? You must have skipped him.

No way Flozell is over Samuels.

What the heck is the deal with the Gurode crush.

Redskins win more than 6 games this season.

Cowboys, the team of destiny again, I love it! Choke city baby.

[SkinsFTW]

Carter doesn't even make the list for De's but Canty does?

ROFL.

[paintrain]

Sigh, more of the same from the national media.. 9-7 playoff team, but no players in the Top 50.. Portis 16th in the league at RB despite finishing in Top 10 in total yards from scrimmage.. Blah blah blah, let's get the season started already!

[Jofizz]

HAHAHA @ Barber better than Portis.

I guess it makes you a better tailback when you can only play half the reps of a true starter. I hear under 1,000 yards is so in this year.

[Birdlives]

As soon as they put Barber 6th and Portis 16th they lost me. The list is tainted by hype.

[Badgerrocks]

Geez, I didn't realise I supported the most worthless team in the NFL. :doh:

[NicholSkin]

Wow. The NFL ought to just shut this franchise down.

What a joke that rag is.

[DiscoBob]

So there are 5 players on the Cowboys that are more valuable than a single player on the Redskins?

[#98QBKiller]

So Kellen Winslow jr makes the list but not Cooley or Jason Witten?

[81tothehall]

Before we even get into the Redskin stuff I would like to go on record and say that I woul trade Bob Sanders and Demarcus Ware for Adrian Peterson. When you get to the point of saying Brian Westbrook is better than Clinton Portis it is time for the meds. I would also like to know how in the heck they could possibly believe that there are 15 better backs in the NFL. I guess these are the same people who thought Curtis Martin was just a so so back for 10 years and over 11,000 yards. The love affair with Barber is rediculous as well. He might not even be the best back on his own team anymore. Andre Carter doesen't even make the list, come on.

[abu69]

No love from the publications. I love it.

[kevin11]

Before we even get into the Redskin stuff I would like to go on record and say that I woul trade Bob Sanders and Demarcus Ware for Adrian Peterson. When you get to the point of saying Brian Westbrook is better than Clinton Portis it is time for the meds. I would also like to know how in the heck they could possibly believe that there are 15 better backs in the NFL. I guess these are the same people who thought Curtis Martin was just a so so back for 10 years and over 11,000 yards. The love affair with Barber is rediculous as well. He might not even be the best back on his own team anymore. Andre Carter doesen't even make the list, come on.

Umm...You might be the only one that would say Portis is better than Westbrook.

I would rather see BW than CP on our team any day.

Now, I love Portis, but BW is alot better.


This list is BS. Barber couldn't even hold his jockstrap.

[BoRnAndRaiSedSkinsFan]

This Marion Barber bull**** is ridiculous. He's the most overrated RB in the NFL by far!!!! And the Cowboys in the Superbowl?????? They've fallen apart 2 year straight in the playoffs. How does anyone expect them to make the Superbowl???

[bedlamVR]

I love Westbrook, the Cowboys game where he took the knee at the 1 despite having an open opportunity to walk into the end zone, to run the clock out rather than give the ball back to the boys was a really heads up . BUT he runs a different system I would not want to have to put the teams fate on his shoulders alone going into December .

I would put those two running backs on a par (Portis and Westbrook) and Barber and Jacobs a little behind .

I also think Hamlin is WAAAAAAAAY over rated

[TheDiplomat]

Who are the 15 RB's better than CP? Just curious if they listed it. Wow, Portis not in top 5 is a travesty, let along, top half of the league.

[tml6157]

Who are the 15 RB's better than CP? Just curious if they listed it. Wow, Portis not in top 5 is a travesty, let along, top half of the league.

that is laughable that Portis is not in the top half. i want to see what happens this year if the cowboys dont make the superbowl.

[FlyinO]

Wow, they are really playing into the ever growing illegal (oops, I mean hispanic) demographic. The love for the Cowboys is nothing but a marketing ploy. And I am sorry, but Demarcus Ware isn't even a top 20 player let alone the 6th best player in the N.F.L.

[Fredburgskin]

A lot of injuries last season held back Redskins from making this list or being higher on it.

It is nice to see Fletcher receiving recognition.

Where is Andre Carter? You must have skipped him.

No way Flozell is over Samuels.

What the heck is the deal with the Gurode crush.

Redskins win more than 6 games this season.

Cowboys, the team of destiny again, I love it! Choke city baby.


Yeah, well said on Gurode. How many times do you have to snap the ball over your quarterback's head before you get into the probowl?

They can keep sending the whole Cowboys team to the probowl for all I care, it works out better for us. That just means they have to keep shelling out cap space for mediocre players who wouldn't make as much on another team.

[disturbed1]

I don't get some of these polls. But then again if I made one there would be alot of people out there who wouldn't agree with mine.:2cents:

[#21Taylor4Ever]

No Carter and Barber over Portis is, at the very least, the most laughable thing I've read so far this offseason...well, other then them predicting us to finish DEAD LAST @ 6-10.

Such hatred.

[elkabong82]

2 of their 4 criteria are completely subjective.

Gurode is first among centers, but can't snap out of the shotgun.

Their SB prediction is a safety pick, even if they're wrong they can justify it. Any idiot can pick two of the perceived best teams and say they'll make the Superbowl.

[jetman20_1986]

theres been alot of bashing of the skins lately all this stuff means nothing and sounds like a broken record im tired of it all the media will be shocked when we WILL do something next year

[disturbed1]

No Carter and Barber over Portis is, at the very least, the most laughable thing I've read so far this offseason...well, other then them predicting us to finish DEAD LAST @ 6-10.

Such hatred.

I agree with you 100%.... people have there opinion, but some should keep it to themself:D

[SkinsGuy]

Barber over Portis???? :doh:

Barber needed only SIX MEASLELY YARDS last season in the final game against the Redskins to have 1,000yards, and he couldn't even get it.

In fact, he lost yardage. :D

Portis, meanwhile, missed some time last year, and finished with.... what? About 1,200 yards?

Yet Barber is one of the top 50 players in the league, and Portis isn't even in the top half of RBs alone???? :laugh: :doh:

Me thinks some magazine is caught up in the hype. :)

[bubba9497]

As soon as they put Barber 6th and Portis 16th they lost me. The list is tainted by hype.



these lists crack me up..... personal preferences always override common sense or logic

[bubba9497]

It is nice to see Fletcher receiving recognition.

some


Where is Andre Carter? You must have skipped him.


surprised? :laugh:


No way Flozell is over Samuels.


in this or any other reality.... seriously


What the heck is the deal with the Gurode crush.

getting his head stomped on by Haynesworth, got his name out there... quick name 3 other starting centers...

add the pokes reg. season record.... & ta-da!

why do any real research, when 90% of fans know nothing about the OL




Redskins win more than 6 games this season.

isn't funny how the Skins this season have many similarities to the pokes 06 off season.... they were the preseason SB NFC team pick,... The Redskins?..... last in the NFC east, & under 6 wins :thumbsup:


Cowboys, the team of destiny again, I love it! Choke city baby.

same old same old..... notify me when the pokes aren't the pre-season SB NFC team pick :doh:

[ImRickJamesB]

Who are the 15 RB's better than CP? Just curious if they listed it. Wow, Portis not in top 5 is a travesty, let along, top half of the league.

This is how they listed RB's....

1. Tomlinson - 4.7

2. Westbrook - 4.35

3. Peterson - 4.3

4. S. Jackson - 4.25

5. L. Johnson - 4.0

6. Barber III - 4.0

7. Addai - 4.0

8. W. Parker - 3.85

9. F. Taylor - 3.85

10. McGahee - 3.75

11. Gore - 3.75

12. J. Lewis - 3.75

13. R. Brown - 3.75

14. Bush - 3.7

15. Lynch - 3.6

16. Portis - 3.6

17. Jones-Drew - 3.6

18. Jacobs - 3.55

19. Maroney - 3.5

20. R. Grant - 3.5

[DarrellsMyHero28]

That list of Running Backs is probably the worst I've ever seen.

Bush, Barber III, L Johnson over Portis?

:doh:

Larry Johnson is not a good running back, Reggie Bush is well on his way to bust status, and Barber wasn't even able to beat out Jones for the starting spot.

This list is :pooh:

[ImRickJamesB]

That list of Running Backs is probably the worst I've ever seen.

Bush, Barber III, L Johnson over Portis?

:doh:

Larry Johnson is not a good running back, Reggie Bush is well on his way to bust status, and Barber wasn't even able to beat out Jones for the starting spot.

This list is :pooh:


Larry Johnson is not a good RB??? Okay......

Over the past 3 seasons...

Larry Johnson has started 33 games, Portis has started 39 games....

Johnson's averaged 4.3 yards per, Portis has averaged 4.1

Johnson has 40 TD's, Portis has 29 TD's

Rushing Yards since 2005 ---- Johnson - 4098 ---- Portis - 3301

Total Yards since 2005 ---- Johnson - 5037 ---- Portis - 4076


Barber over Portis is, at the very least, the most laughable thing I've read so far this offseason.

Such hatred.


Barber over Portis???? :doh:

Barber needed only SIX MEASLELY YARDS last season in the final game against the Redskins to have 1,000yards, and he couldn't even get it.

In fact, he lost yardage. :D

Portis, meanwhile, missed some time last year, and finished with.... what? About 1,200 yards?

Yet Barber is one of the top 50 players in the league, and Portis isn't even in the top half of RBs alone???? :laugh: :doh:

Me thinks some magazine is caught up in the hype. :)

Barber III VS Portis...... Over the past 2 seasons..........

Barber averaged 4.8 yards per carry, Portis averaged 4.0

Since 2006, Barber's had 28 TD's, Portis had 18 TD's

Since 2006,
Portis had 452 carries for 1785 yards
Barber had 339 carries for 1629 yards

In that time, Portis had 113 more carries than Barber, for only 156 more yards...

Aside from the stats, nobody can deny that Barber runs harder than Portis, and also brings more toughness and swagger to his team.



Bush VS portis

I agree with you here, there's nothing to back-up Bush being better than Portis.............

:cheers:

[Walking Deadman]

I take it all with a grain of salt.....none of them picked the Giants to win it all.

And yes, I buy these mags anyway and did a thread about how the NFCE would do according to PFW and some other mags.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249026

[ImRickJamesB]

2 of their 4 criteria are completely subjective.

Gurode is first among centers, but can't snap out of the shotgun.

Their SB prediction is a safety pick, even if they're wrong they can justify it. Any idiot can pick two of the perceived best teams and say they'll make the Superbowl.

I cant disagree with any of this...

Gurode is an excellent blocking center, but I'm with you, way too many bad snaps to put him at the top!

[Walking Deadman]

I cant disagree with any of this...

Gurode is an excellent blocking center, but I'm with you, way too many bad snaps to put him at the top!

My thoughts exactly.

[ImRickJamesB]

I take it all with a grain of salt.....none of them picked the Giants to win it all.

And yes, I buy these mags anyway and did a thread about how the NFCE would do according to PFW and some other mags.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249026

I like this thread better.......... ;) ......:cheers:

[Walking Deadman]

I like this thread better.......... ;) ......:cheers:

Same mag but different topics.....but you should read the other thread for the Super Bowl picks from the 3 mags. YOU will like the results ;)

[eagleskins]

Urlacher is WAY too low. Cooley is not on the list, and sorry ass "Soldier" is?

[pvkeeper19]

I respectfully disagree. With almost all of those ratings.

[Park City Skins]

Wow, they are really playing into the ever growing illegal (oops, I mean hispanic) demographic.

Knock it off.

[NewAgeSkins]

What I want to know is why a cowboy fan is posting this on a redskins board... does he honestly believe we will agree with him on anything? I can understand him trying to "rub it in" that the media thinks they're team is great (even though we whooped 'em last time we played).

Anyways, why don't you go back to your corn farm in texas and make us some ethanol.

[Scamp1]

Shocking I just fell out of my chair, ooooh the pain, the embarrassment. To think the Skins were not recognized by CBS. All hail RickJames for continually tryint to bring to our attention that our lowly Skins have once again been exposed as mere pretenders . While the class of the League, the Cow Boys are to be admired and praised. Thank you Rick. Now please your allotted time at the CP is done , other inmates need to use it.

[ImRickJamesB]

What I want to know is why a cowboy fan is posting this on a redskins board... does he honestly believe we will agree with him on anything? I can understand him trying to "rub it in" that the media thinks they're team is great (even though we whooped 'em last time we played).

Anyways, why don't you go back to your corn farm in texas and make us some ethanol.

I dont expect anybody to admit to agreeing with me, but maybe I can bring a fresh perspective. And maybe long after my threads are dead and gone, the masses will finally see things my way....

What fun is it if we all agree? Plus, it's the off-season....

As for rubbing it in...... No! My team hasn't won a playoff game in over a decade, just ask anybody ;).... I take no comfort in all these magazines picking us to reach the Super Bowl, I'd rather they pick the Giants....

As for my corn farm, I wish it exsisted! Corn is going for record prices! If I had a corn farm, I'd probably be on a Corn Forum instead. Corn's good, but corn-bread is better. Did you know, there's a Corn Palace in Mitchell, SD... But the whole thing's not made out of corn, they just decorated the outside in corn, kind of a let down......... :cheers:

[ldysknzfn1]

The media is predicting Dallas in the SB?:yikes: You don't say! Haven't they done that every year for the past 3 seasons or so? Yet they've failed to win a playoff game in what.....ummmm....13 years?:laugh: Imagine all that "talent"....no playoff wins:laugh: . I love poetic justice!:cool:

[jimster]

They're really on top of things. Jared Allen was traded 2 months ago.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Larry Johnson is not a good RB??? Okay......

Over the past 3 seasons...

Larry Johnson has started 33 games, Portis has started 39 games....

Johnson's averaged 4.3 yards per, Portis has averaged 4.1

Johnson has 40 TD's, Portis has 29 TD's

Rushing Yards since 2005 ---- Johnson - 4098 ---- Portis - 3301

Total Yards since 2005 ---- Johnson - 5037 ---- Portis - 4076


Barber III VS Portis...... Over the past 2 seasons..........

Barber averaged 4.8 yards per carry, Portis averaged 4.0

Since 2006, Barber's had 28 TD's, Portis had 18 TD's

Since 2006,
Portis had 452 carries for 1785 yards
Barber had 339 carries for 1629 yards

In that time, Portis had 113 more carries than Barber, for only 156 more yards...

Aside from the stats, nobody can deny that Barber runs harder than Portis, and also brings more toughness and swagger to his team.


Larry Johnson=Sean Alexander, a product of his line...overrated.

Go check your "Barber is better than Portis thread"

You were owned there, I'll spare you here.

[MD.C RedskinsFan]

The Redskins are always predicted 6-10 or 5-11 and 4th in the NFC East in all of these publication things. I really seriously can't remember when it was different.

These were just last year:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/specials/preview/2007/scouting.report/redskins.html

http://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/1328-NFL-Washington_Redskins-D_C_Spin_Redskins_Jason_Campbell_Look_on_the_Brigh t_Side-290607

[GSF]

I personally like the fact that the Redskins are always underrated on these dumb lists and that the cowboys are always overrated. Let the cowboys believe the hype.

[dizzinator53]

You know what? I usually don't say this, but this list is not only rediculous, but it's laughable. The following positions were left out in Washington:

Clinton Portis (Value to the team?)
Chris Samuels (Maybe the Best Left Tackle in Football)
London Fletcher (Intricate to the workings of the defense as a whole, an extremely high value)


Publishings like these are quickly ruining the credibility of the sportswriters. Their love affair with everything Cowboys and Eagles is humorous. I hope Zorn is a locker room posting type of guy. These Redskins are going to turn some heads this year. I am considering using the video of ESPN's Monday Night Football and Audio from the Station I work for to listen to the game broadcast of Larry, Sonny, and Sam. (We have no delay)

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

No Carter and Barber over Portis is, at the very least, the most laughable thing I've read so far this offseason...well, other then them predicting us to finish DEAD LAST @ 6-10.

Such hatred.

what is even funnier than that, I was looking at all the prediction mags at wal mart last night, and I think it was The Sporting News prediction mag, and they had us last in the NFC East at 4-12. Keep on hating us....I love it!!!

[LegionOfDoom]

Z. Thomas is on the list.....

[bootzilla]

Umm...You might be the only one that would say Portis is better than Westbrook.

I would rather see BW than CP on our team any day.

Now, I love Portis, but BW is alot better.


This list is BS. Barber couldn't even hold his jockstrap.

LOL..

Fans sometimes fall in love with fantasy numbers forget the whole game! Yes BW has better numbers then CP because he is the S$$tbirds only threat so if your looking for fantasy numbers then take him,but I want a back who will knock a Lb or a blitzing DB on his azz.

And secondly No "top 10 Back" should ever be held to 12carries 1yd!!!!!! MB

IM OUT:eaglesuck :dallasuck

[SkinsGuy]

Barber III VS Portis...... Over the past 2 seasons..........

Barber averaged 4.8 yards per carry, Portis averaged 4.0

Since 2006, Barber's had 28 TD's, Portis had 18 TD's

Since 2006,
Portis had 452 carries for 1785 yards
Barber had 339 carries for 1629 yards

In that time, Portis had 113 more carries than Barber, for only 156 more yards...

Aside from the stats, nobody can deny that Barber runs harder than Portis, and also brings more toughness and swagger to his team.

I can deny that. :laugh:

Nobody has shown the toughness and swagger that Portis has.

You disqualify your comments when, as others have said, you use 2006 as your proof when Portis was out most of the year with injuries (I think he only played parts of 6 games).

Barber is a short yardage, part-time back. It is very telling that the Cowboys drafted 3 RBs this year.

But you go on, you keep telling yourself that Barber is an elite back that can carry the ball 25+ times a game. :laugh:

We heard this junk from Dallas fans about Julius Jones, too. How did that work out? :)

[dizzinator53]

What is interesting also to me is that in 20 years... Portis will be in the HOF while Barber III will be trying to make a legacy of his washed out name by coaching Barber IV's high school team.

[DCMONEY]

I love Westbrook, the Cowboys game where he took the knee at the 1 despite having an open opportunity to walk into the end zone, to run the clock out rather than give the ball back to the boys was a really heads up . BUT he runs a different system I would not want to have to put the teams fate on his shoulders alone going into December .

I would put those two running backs on a par (Portis and Westbrook) and Barber and Jacobs a little behind .

I also think Hamlin is WAAAAAAAAY over rated

The whole Cowbum secondary was over rated last season. I stand corrected but they have to be he 1st team to send 3 of their 4 secondary players, yet they were ranked in the middle of the pack when it came to passing yardage.

And their over all pro bowl players was absurd. They sent more players than the Patriots!. How absurd is that?

[SeanTaylorthePunterSlayer]

Hamlin over Landry? LMFAO...

That is all... The rest, eh, doesn't bother me.

I just don't see Hamlin as being all that great, definitely not #6...