Are the Skins a blue collar or white collar team?

[DirtyMontanaBoyz]

You know the teams that have a reputation of one or the other..the Steelers, Giants, Eagles,Bears, and Packers are considered blue collar teams..Niners, Seahawks, are more of a white collar vibe..what are our Redskins? What is the fan base in D.C. like now? I lived in northern Virginia as a kid but haven't been able to go back since.. I know there are alot of executives and uppity types..but how many hard working blue collar guys are skins fans? I'm a blue collar guy through and through..

[Dan T.]

I should never post so late at night.

[Reic]

When I think blue collar these days, I think Pittsburgh Steelers, and that is about it.

We are close to blue collar, though.

[nuposse87]

any person who makes 250k+ is not blue collar, c'mon no one in the nfl is blue collar.

[Reic]

any person who makes 250k+ is not blue collar, c'mon no one in the nfl is blue collar.

He means style of play, not salary :D

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

How about we evolve as human beings beyond stupid cliches that really don't tell you anything? Could we do that?

[SteveFromYellowstone]

How about we evolve as human beings beyond stupid cliches that really don't tell you anything? Could we do that?

Ill keep my mouth shut haha

[IONTOP]

I'd say we are 50/50, the amount of club seats/luxury boxes is leaning towards white collar, yet how big FedEx is and STILL has a wait list, along with the obstructed/limited view seats goes along with blue collar.

In the past, the amount of money we have spent on free agents trying to buy playoff games, has been white collar. It's the equivalent of going out to dinner rather than cooking your own.

[BAFGA]

How about we evolve as human beings beyond stupid cliches that really don't tell you anything? Could we do that?

:applause: Finally someone gets it.

[robotfire]

How about we evolve as human beings beyond stupid cliches that really don't tell you anything? Could we do that?Is that your final answer?

[Thiebear]

So blue collar meanting hard nosed grind vs.
White collar let it fly mentallity means nothing.
got it.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

How about we evolve as human beings beyond stupid cliches that really don't tell you anything? Could we do that?

Or we could stay out of threads we don't like...you big meanie :silly:


You know the teams that have a reputation of one or the other..the Steelers, Giants, Eagles,Bears, and Packers are considered blue collar teams..Niners, Seahawks, are more of a white collar vibe..what are our Redskins? What is the fan base in D.C. like now? I lived in northern Virginia as a kid but haven't been able to go back since.. I know there are alot of executives and uppity types..but how many hard working blue collar guys are skins fans? I'm a blue collar guy through and through..

Well the fan base itself...at least in the Northern Virginia area, is very much white collar. Fairfax County and Loudoun County have some of the highest per capita income in the country. Those executives and 'uppity' types as you say make up a pretty signifant portion of the population in my area. However, If you include the entire Skins fanbase, there are plenty of your blue collar brethren to go around. Virginia has plenty of coal miners, millitary personnel, farmers etc.

[IbleedBnG83]

White Collar based on fan base and the way the owner runs the team...

[Wrenkels]

Never thought of it as blue collar white collar team. Buffy and I like to think of ourselfs as," you know" working class. I mean we always drop buck in the guys cup on the street. We cool like that dog.

[RedskinsInFebruary]

If I know what you mean by "blue collar/white collar" yeah, I'd say the skins have generally been a blue collar club, barring the spurrier era. I prefer the bc style so much more than the pass-happy lucky ball style, although some (Patriots, 9-ers of the past) had it down to a science.

I prefer tough defense (preferably the bend-but-don't-break over a gambling-style toughness), hard-nosed, grind-it-out, *successful* running game, with an aggressive OL.

I used to be a huge LA Rams fan of the late 60's, early 70's. 10-3 victories, that kind of thing. A touchdown was a big deal.

I'm not on the Zorn-ball bandwagon. Yet.

[HogNose]

Skins are of course a White collar team. As far as blue collar as you can get.




He means style of play, not salary :D

He means the fan base, he just worded the question wrong.

[Wrenkels]

I wonna give JZ the chance to maybe change something that has been needed to be change for a long time.THIS TRY AND NOT LOSE THE GAME STYLE OF PLAYING. Go after teams and step on their throats is what I want.

Give JZ a chance.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Skins are of course a White collar team. As far as blue collar as you can get.

Well...I disagree.

The fan base in the DC Metro area is pretty much white collar.

The team? This upcoming year they may be white collar but Joe Gibbs is far from white collar. Look at our history, The Hoggs, Riggo, Sammy Baugh...blue collar all the way.

[Wrenkels]

I am blue collar, around a bunch of white collars is what you are saying?

[Wrenkels]

Bunch of pencil necks rooting for the home team. I guess it could be worse.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

take one step into fedex field and try and tell me this is a "blue collar team". lol

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Bunch of pencil necks rooting for the home team. I guess it could be worse.

Those pencil necks just bought you.

Have a good day.

:D

[Wrenkels]

Those pencil necks just bought you.

Have a good day.

Bought me? Look I am middle class paying for all that is wrong with America.

I have two languages and you are going hear street!!

Bought me, what kind of **** and bull is that.

[Antwaan Randle El Nino]

depends on where you sit in the stadium on whether it is a white or blue collar fan base. fact is that many blue collar fans in all professional sports are now simply priced out of lower-level seats.

funny this topic was just brought up, as the washington post just had an article on ticket prices, not of football but of baseball, though the same trends apply. not a lot of blue collar fans can afford tickets at these prices in the article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/14/AR2008061401722.html

yankees stadium $2,500 for a ticket to sit in the front row for 1 game! thats over $200,000 for the season... thats not even white collar... thats like gold and platinum collar


although there is a difference between a true fan and someone who can actually afford to go to the games. just because they can afford it, that doesnt necessarily mean they are fans

[HogNose]

Well...I disagree.

The fan base in the DC Metro area is pretty much white collar.

The team? This upcoming year they may be white collar but Joe Gibbs is far from white collar. Look at our history, The Hoggs, Riggo, Sammy Baugh...blue collar all the way.

The OP meant the fan base not the team. When a question is posed about a team/city being blue or white collar it usually is refering to the fan base. He wasn't talking about the Hogs, or Riggo. If he was that means you could say all football players are blue collar.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Those pencil necks just bought you.

Have a good day.

Bought me? Look I am middle class paying for all that is wrong with America.

I have two languages and you are going hear street!!

Bought me, what kind of **** and bull is that.

It was a joke..

:doh:

[DarrellsMyHero28]

The OP meant the fan base not the team. When a question is posed about a team/city being blue or white collar it usually is refering to the fan base. He wasn't talking about the Hogs, or Riggo. If he was that means you could say all football players are blue collar.

I know, but the thread has become about both questions.

So I answered both.

[HogNose]

I have two languages and you are going hear street!!

Bought me, what kind of **** and bull is that.

Street? What is that? :doh: Settle down and take a deep breath. You are a new member, don't sound so defensive.

[HogNose]

I know, but the thread has become about both questions.

So I answered both.


:laugh: true. :cheers:

[Wrenkels]

Street? What is that? Settle down and take a deep breath. You are a new member, don't sound so defensive.

Me defensive? No, I am just kidding around.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Street? What is that? Settle down and take a deep breath. You are a new member, don't sound so defensive.

Me defensive? No, I am just kidding around.

:secret:

Click the "quote" button on the post you're responding to, it'll make your life easier.

[Walking Deadman]

Both.

The Redskins affect the entire DC/Metro/VA area.
Redskins football is talked about from everybody.

Now the people who go to the games probably are more white collar just b/c the tickets (much like every other sporting event) are expensive.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

fedex isnt a gritty stadium, its a place for businessmen to bring their clients to maybe see some good football. we dont breed the kind of football fans that buffalo or philly does. i know we all hate philly and their fans, but those people are all blue collar die hard psycho fans.

buffalo doesnt even have seats in the upperdeck, its just benches with numbers on them. thats old school right there. our stadium is definitely more concerned with catering to businesses and the high class crowd, not the everyday football, or as i call them "the real fans".

watching games in those suites is the ghey.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

fedex isnt a gritty stadium, its a place for businessmen to bring their clients to maybe see some good football. we dont breed the kind of football fans that buffalo or philly does. i know we all hate philly and their fans, but those people are all blue collar die hard psycho fans.

buffalo doesnt even have seats in the upperdeck, its just benches with numbers on them. thats old school right there. our stadium is definitely more concerned with catering to businesses and the high class crowd, not the everyday football, or as i call them "the real fans".

watching games in those suites is the ghey.

Agreed.

When DC United gets its new stadium Danny Boy needs to build a new palace where RFK is, and cater to us, the true fans.

Not that all of those things will ever happen, but it would be nice.

[Wrenkels]

:secret:

Click the "quote" button on the post you're responding to, it'll make your life easier.

When I move, just like that?

I go to games when I have a parking pass and the tickets are cheap.

[Wrenkels]

Agreed.

When DC United gets its new stadium Danny Boy needs to build a new palace where RFK is, and cater to us, the true fans.

Not that all of those things will ever happen, but it would be nice.

I would love to see a new stadium back in D.C:cheers:

[DarrellsMyHero28]

When I move, just like that?

I go to games when I have a parking pass and the tickets are cheap.

:cheers:

To the quote function and cheap tickets.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

the reason the buffalo bills will be called "the toronto bills" in a few years is because buffalo still caters to the common fan, and not the business exec type. selling boxes and having fancy restaurants are a huge source of revenue for teams.

[Wrenkels]

:cheers:

To the quote function and cheap tickets.



cheap tickets and the common fan:cheers:

[DarrellsMyHero28]

the reason the buffalo bills will be called "the toronto bills" in a few years is because buffalo still caters to the common fan, and not the business exec type. selling boxes and having fancy restaurants are a huge source of revenue for teams.

Well this is DC. Thats the problem.

The money doesn't come from the common fan, it comes from the big wigs.

Danny has been a mediocre owner at best, but he's a damn good business man.

[triple6mafia]

definitely white collar

[Wrenkels]

It must be white collar. A blue collar would not be caught dead at Fed Ex without a dress and a pig snout.

[Arsenic]

Southern Maryland is all blue-collared.

[eljeasel]

when did football jersey's get collars?

[Scamp1]

Our legacy is that of a hard nose NFC east "Dirt & Blood" lunch pail toting, bunch of no name , dawn to dusk, blue collar Team.

[zskins]

I would say the collar that gets us a SB win is the right color!

[RFKFedEx]

DC is a white collar town and always has been. Pittsburgh was once a blue collar town like all rust belt cities, but that's slowly changing. Snyder is a white collar billionaire owner while Dan Rooney is a blue collar hundred millionaire owner. FedEx Field has all of the amenities that appeal to the high end, white collar corporate clientele who pay the bills in modern sporting venues today, but so do Heinz and Lambeau Fields.

Our scene has a blue collar feel that is growing stronger with the rapidly aging FedEx Field. Visit newer venues like the Link in Philly or Foxborough in NE and you'll know what I mean about FedEx. The addition of new stadiums in Dallas and NY are only going to make FedEx seem older and more run down.

Tailgate in the Green, red or blue lots, sit in the cave or the 400 level and you'll see what I mean about blue collar. You'll notice our blue collar fans when you visit other venues around the league and compare their patrons to our own.


A portion of the Redskins blue collar fanbase can be found at the ES tailgate. Every city has people like us. You just have to know where to look.

People complain about the high cost of Redskins tickets. Try going to a Packers or Steelers home game for $25 and then get back to me. Those are both blue collar markets but game tickets are far more expensive and difficult to obtain in the secondary market than they are at FedEx.

FedEx Field provides one of the most affordable gameday experiences in the NFL if an educated consumer knows how, when and where to obtain tickets.

*For roughly $50 a head, one can ride Metro to FedEx, wine and dine at the ES tailgate, grab a ticket in the lot and still have money for a couple of beers and a hotdog inside. I call that a blue collar experience by current NFL standards.

*Not applicable for Dallas and Pitt games 2008

[Tennessee Ed]

It must be white collar. A blue collar would not be caught dead at Fed Ex without a dress and a pig snout.


Look to the left<<<<< of your post! :laugh:


:cheers: welcome to the board

[RedBeast]

When I think blue collar vs. white collar I think of the fan base. We were very blue collar at RFK but are becoming more white collar at FedEx due to the rising prices. I hate to say it but we are now more "Pink" collar - with all of the turned up collar Polo shirts, pressed khaki shorts and fancy topsider shoes. It's that wine and cheese crowd that everyone criticizes. Dont get me wrong, I love good cheese, foie gras, and the finest in life, but dammit ITS A REDSKINS FOOTBALL GAME not a social business networking event!

Even if I was filthy rich, I would still wear my colors, go with my weekend stubble, scream for my team, and eat the local food. I have been in the suites, luxury boxes, dream seats, and have my seats in the 400's. Always been the same person at all of the locations.

Sorry it's pet peeve, that, and the high percentage of "foreigners" I see at games (fans of other teams)...I'm done, thanks for letting me vent.

[Wrenkels]

:cheers:I would not be caught in a pink collar shirt. Un shaven face beer belly social network. Yeah, thats the ticket. cutting cheese in the fine life.
:cheers:

[eljeasel]

lets just move back into RFK

[Wrenkels]

Look to the left<<<<< of your post! :laugh:


:cheers: welcome to the board


Notice that this is my sunday go to meeting cloths

[RFKFedEx]

We were very blue collar at RFK but are becoming more white collar at FedEx due to the rising prices. I hate to say it but we are now more "Pink" collar - with all of the turned up collar Polo shirts, pressed khaki shorts and fancy topsider shoes. It's that wine and cheese crowd that everyone criticizes.

I think you'll find that to be the case at nearly every NFL venue today. At least that's been my experience from the various other fanbases I've visited in recent years. But the blue collar element is also still there at every venue. Maybe I've just grown numb to the white collar element in landover since 1997.


dammit ITS A REDSKINS FOOTBALL GAME not a social business networking event!

Yes and no. Not everyone enjoys the gameday experience w/the same intensity that we do. The corporations who purchase the suites, loge and club seats do so for business purposes, not just to support the home team. The high end clients are the fuel that makes this league as great as it is.


Even if I was filthy rich, I would still wear my colors, go with my weekend stubble, scream for my team, and eat the local food. I have been in the suites, luxury boxes, dream seats, and have my seats in the 400's. Always been the same person at all of the locations.

Me too bro. I'm w/you on that aspect!http://extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif


Sorry it's pet peeve, that, and the high percentage of "foreigners" I see at games (fans of other teams)...I'm done, thanks for letting me vent.

Welcome to the Ebay era.

[Wrenkels]

I think you'll find that to be the case at nearly every NFL venue today. At least that's been my experience from the various other fanbases I've visited in recent years. But the blue collar element is also still there at every venue. Maybe I've just grown numb to the white collar element in landover since 1997.



Yes and no. Not everyone enjoys the gameday experience w/the same intensity that we do. The corporations who purchase the suites, loge and club seats do so for business purposes, not just to support the home team. The high end clients are the fuel that makes this league as great as it is.



Me too bro. I'm w/you on that aspect!http://extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif




I will never change the way I scream for the Skins. I will always be a fan win or lose. Nothing changes, just the players and coaches.:cheers:



Welcome to the Ebay era.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Southern Maryland is all blue-collared.

Southern Maryland is all :pooh:

Learn how to drive or get off my Beltway

:silly:

[Wrenkels]

Hell, I have driven backwards further than you have even driven a car:laugh: :2cents:

[pjfootballer]

Joe Gibbs came back, into the thick of the NFC East with a run first mentality. They've been blue collar in their recent past.

But. Drafting 3 receivers in the first 2 rounds. Jim Zorn installing a pass happy offense. The collar might get bleached in the seasons ahead.

Only post necessary in this thread. It sums it up from A to Z. We were blue collar trying to become white collar. Lunch Pail to IPOD.

[return2glory]

We have had so many coaching changes through the years that our team did not really have an identity until Joe Gibbs came back.

2001-Marty Schottenheimer- Blue Collar
2002-2003-Steve Spurrier- Def. White Collar.
2004-2007- Joe Gibbs-Blue Collar

Under Gibbs, the Redskins established an identity. After years of signing high priced premaddonas, which never worked out. The skins kept a core group of guys together and finally became the power running team that helped them achieve the success of their super bowl years. With Zorn installing a WCO, it seems as if our team will be back to a white collar team. However, it is hard to say. Although we may become more white collar, it won't be a bad thing. Our team should be much more disciplined. Gibbs was strict, but kept us discipline. But, the players were afraid to make mistakes. Zorn has our players on the field learning, but having fun. His innovative coaching style should keep us loose. Don't think that this means Zorn is a pushover because he hates it when players lose concentration. This will assure we get the most out of our practices, which is essential when teaching a team a new philosophy.

[NewCliche21]

He's asking about the fanbase.

Here's how we can break it down: People not in the 300 sections, save for a select few, are blue-collared fans.

[bubba9497]

Burgundy colored



:silly:

[ucfSKINS]

Who honestly cares? :whoknows:

[RFKFedEx]

Who honestly cares? :whoknows:

You do.:laugh:

People who don't care about a subject don't usually bother to post about it.

[ouvan59]

I have a white collar job but I would hardly say I'm white collar at the stadium. I tailgate with beer, brats, burgers and dogs. I yell my fool head off in the stands. And if you think that RFK used to be blue collar you are mistaken. Washington, DC isn't and never has been a blue collar town since they started making such distinctions. The difference is that we won regularly in the 70s and 80s and the fans were more into it. Add that to the fact that RFK held in the noise much better than FedEx and you get for a much more exciting feel. But if we start winning regularly then fewer people will give up their tickets from week to week and you'll get far fewer transient fans sitting in the seats. Regular fans = more excited and dedicated fans.

But please don't tell me the type of job you have makes you a better fan.

[cphil006]

most of the fans are white collar. Sometimes they forget there is a game on...

[SkipJackSkin]

most of the fans are white collar. Sometimes they forget there is a game on...
Yeah. When I'm at games, I see entire sections of the stadium that don't seem to be into the game that much. They're just kind of sitting there. I would call those the white-collar ones in terms of the fans as fans, not class and the blue-collar ones the ones screaming their ****ing heads off.

As for the team itself? I would say blue-collar in their style of play.

[AAARedskin]

This isn't even debateable....our beloved Skins are a white-collar team.

[SkipJackSkin]

This isn't even debateable....our beloved Skins are a white-collar team.

How so?

[Veretax]

Call me crazy, but aren't their uniform's collar primarily Gold?

[IbleedBnG83]

After reading many of the responses, it seems that the NFL as a league has become a white collar sport. It cost the most of any other sporting event and makes billions of dollars. Now, some cities have different fan bases than others. Pittsburgh has more of a blue collar working class. While the DC area has more of a white collar professional class. I think this day in age, neither have one to do with another. Take Indianapolis, they have a blue collar fan base. But play more of a finess type of game which is considered "white collared". I think these terms have been thrown around too much.

[Monkskin81]

Washington Redskins are White Collar. The NFC East is the most "White Collar" division in the NFL with Metropolis' such as D.C., Dallas, Philly, and NY. The most "Blue Collar" division in football is the AFC North, with cities like Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. It really is a no brainer.

[BigRedskinDaddy]

All this talk about blue and white collars has me thinking too much about the Cowgirls.


Brrrr...

:silly:

[DirtyMontanaBoyz]

Is Baltimore a blue collar town?

[SkipJackSkin]

Is Baltimore a blue collar town?
Haha is that relevant?

[CapitalDefense]

We have quite a bit of both on this team, and a 3rd category, just to name a few....

Blue

Randy Thomas

Jon Jansen

Cornelius Griffin

White

Jason Campbell

Santana Moss

Marcus Washington


Can't stand to get their nails dirty

Clinton Portis

Coach Zorn

[DirtyMontanaBoyz]

Haha is that relevant?

Washington Redskins are White Collar. The NFC East is the most "White Collar" division in the NFL with Metropolis' such as D.C., Dallas, Philly, and NY. The most "Blue Collar" division in football is the AFC North, with cities like Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. It really is a no brainer