Chad Rinehart at Right tackle; should we give it a serious look?

[Morneblade]

Yeah, it's off season, so we dont have much else to do but speculate on our guys and how they are doing with OTA's and training camp looming next month. We look like we might has gotten some real players that could contribute on the Oline, and maybe sooner than later. And to that my feeling that Jansen hasnt been playing very good even when healthy the last couple of years. Then I was looking at Chad and even though he was a Left Tackle in college and most scouts see him playing guard in the NFL.........

Why not give him a shot at Right Tackle?

Yes, I know we have Heyer backing up Jansen right now, but Rinehart looks like everything Jansen was coming out, except he's quicker than Jon was. He's a take no prisoners guy that blows people up and has a serious mean streak, but is quick enough and explosive enough to protect a QB's blind side.

I see Jon has the one real weak link on our O-line at this point, and I'd really like to see him as depth rather than a starter. I think if we were more solid @ Right tackle our O-line would be good enough to give us a chance even with a new offense, to do some real damage.

Here is his scouting report.

Pick Analysis: Rinehart was very impressive at the Senior Bowl and has good strength. He's able to pull and moves well for a guy his size. He may have potential to play tackle as well, but has not played against strong competition so he will need some time to develop. He gives the Redskins depth on the offensive line with a chance to grow into a starter.


Overview (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/chad-rinehart?id=300#player-profile-tab-overview)

Analysis (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/chad-rinehart?id=300#player-profile-tab-analysis)

Q & A (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/chad-rinehart?id=300#player-profile-tab-qa)
Overview

Overview Professional scouts flocked to Northern Iowa to see what many feel is the NCAA Subdivision's premier draft prospect in 2007. One of the most dominant left tackles in the game, Rinehart anchored the Panthers' offensive line since moving into the lineup as a freshman.


The decorated blocker is equally proficient in opening holes for the ground game or sliding back to protect the quarterback's blind side in passing situations. With Rinehart at left tackle, Northern Iowa has averaged over 400 yards per game in total offense (410.84 yards per game) over the last three seasons. The team ranked 10th in rushing (219.36 yards per game) and fourth in total offense (408.27 ypg) during his junior year.


At Boone High School, Rinehart was a standout offensive lineman. He earned All-State second-team honors as both a junior and senior. He was also a first-team All-District and All-Conference choice during his final two seasons. Rinehart also starred for the track team, qualifying for the state finals in the discus.


Pursued by the Naval Academy, Rinehart decided to enroll at Northern Iowa. He spent the 2003 season competing as an offensive tackle on the scout team. In 2004, he took over at left tackle, starting the team's first five games before undergoing a laparoscopic appendectomy on October 21. He missed three games while recovering before returning to the field as a reserve for the team's final three contests. He finished his first season with the team with an 87.57% grade for blocking consistency, delivering four touchdown-resulting blocks in the process.


Rinehart began to establish his dominance in the trenches as a sophomore in 2005. He earned All-Gateway Conference first-team honors and was a second-team All-Northwest Region choice by Football Gazette. He completely manhandled his opponents, coming up with 134 knockdowns, including 13 touchdown-resulting blocks and an impressive 17 blocks downfield. He registered an 87.13% grade for blocking consistency, helping the team average 236.8 yards per game passing and 400.53 yards in total offense.


Rinehart garnered Associated Press and Sports Network All-American second-team honors in 2006. He was an All-Gateway Conference and All-Northwest Region first-team choice and earned his third Gateway Offensive Lineman of the Week honors during his junior campaign.


He helped a unit that ranked fourth nationally in total offense with an average of 408.27 yards per game and ranked 10th in the Division 1-AA ranks with an average of 219.36 yards per game on the ground. He delivered 105 knockdowns in 11 games, producing 17 touchdown-resulting blocks and 15 more blocks downfield. He held his opponents to just three stops behind the line of scrimmage and a total of 14 tackles (10 solo), as he led the 1-AA linemen with an 89.64% grade for blocking consistency.


As a senior, Rinehart was a consensus All-American first-team and unanimous All-Gateway Conference first-team selection. He continued his dominance, as he graded 88.64% for blocking consistency, the highest mark of any offensive lineman in the FCS ranks. He collected 103 knockdowns with 17 touchdown-resulting blocks and 12 blocks downfield. The offense responded to his blocking by averaging 457.3 yards per game, an improvement of close to 50 yards per game from the previous season.


Career Notes Rinehart has the highest career blocking consistency grade (88.5%) of any NCAA Division 1-AA (Subdivision) offensive lineman in the last 15 years...The left offensive tackle started 42 of 45 contests at left offensive tackle. He produced 409 knockdowns/key blocks, including 51 that resulted in touchdowns and 51 more that came down field.


High School Attended Boone (Ia.) High School, playing football for head coach Jon Walcyk...Earned All-State second-team honors as both a junior and senior...First-team All-District and All-Conference choice during his final two campaigns...In addition to excelling on the gridiron, he also starred for the track team, qualifying for the state finals in the discus.


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Analysis

Analysis Positives: Has a tall frame with good overall body thickness, especially in his legs...Has room to add additional bulk, but it could affect his overall quickness...Has good arm length and very good straight-line quickness and explosion for his size...Durable athlete with the ability to play through pain...Has very good balance on the move and takes good angles in pursuit of second-level defenders, evident by his high amount of downfield blocks every year...Shows good body control and adequate change-of-direction agility...Could shift inside to guard at the next level because of his trap-blocking skills and his ability to pick up stunts and blitzes when working in-line...All-out battler with a solid work ethic, showing a good mental grasp of the game, quickly taking plays from the chalkboard to the playing field...Hard worker in the weight room and does a nice job of using that power to deliver a jarring hand punch...Shows the explosion off the snap to easily seal the corner and has a "take no prisoners" approach taking on defenders, as he plays until the whistle and will not hesitate to punish him man...Respected team leader who will not hesitate to get vocal when a teammate fails to perform to standards...Must improve his knee bend, but backpedals quickly in pass protection, taking full advantage of his big chest, powerful arms, wide hips and thick thighs to easily wall off the defender...Has adequate quickness off the snap, showing the balance to keep his feet in attempts to gain position blocking in-line...Classic mauler who has the hand pop to shock and surprise a defender, doing a nice job of getting under the opponents' jerseys to sustain...When he keeps his pads down, he generates the explosion needed to create and maintain the rush lanes and has the ability to execute good angles to stalk and neutralize second-level defenders (eight downfield blocks in five 2007 games and 15 more in 11 game in '06)...With his strength, hand punch, body control and ability to square up, he is very effective at getting out in front on pulls and traps...Does a nice job of getting position to wall off the blitzers and displays very good balance and anchor taking on the bull rush...Very active going after other defenders after the initial block...Will deliver the crunching hand punch to keep defenders on their heels and is a very focused drive blocker who simply knocks over defenders with true aggression...Generates movement, firing low to take the defender off his feet...Knows how to extend his arms and take proper blocking angles to prevent the bull rush.


Negatives: Has good explosion coming off the snap, but might be a better fit to play inside at guard, as he is a bit of a waist-bender and struggles at times to move laterally, but does compensate with a strong hand punch and ability to maintain his anchor...Has a very powerful hand punch, but must do a better job extending to make reach blocks and keeping placement longer in attempts to sustain...Has the explosion to get back and take on edge rushers, but lacks the speed to recover when beaten off the snap...Might not have the flexibility to play tackle at the next level, but he shows the strength to leverage and create movement, along with holding the crease for the running game when redirecting inside (traits needed for an offensive guard).


Compares To...LOGAN MANKINS-New England...Like Mankins, Rinehart is a collegiate tackle who might have a quicker route to a starting job at the professional level with a potential shift to offensive guard. He is a punishing trap blocker with good explosion getting out in front when pulling. He uses his strength well to sustain and widen rush lanes, but must work on bending more at the knees than at the waist. He has a hand punch that will shock and jolt an opponent, showing improvement placing those hands as a senior than he did in the past. In isolated coverage, he will dominate a smaller opponent. With his body control and ability to square up and wall off second level defenders, he could bring immediate value with a possible shift in-line."





*Additional note: He was one of the top O-linemen in the Vertical Jump and 20 yard shuttle. Quick and explosive.
Have at it. :D

[Xempt]

i think rinehart will replace kendall next season at left guard. and if he is receiving reps at tackle in practice, i still think heyer is the first tackle off the bench should samuels or jansen go down

[nightbird]

Quote="Rinehart looks like everything Jansen was coming out, except he's quicker than Jon was."

No offense, but no effing way.

Jon Jansen started 48 games for Michigan at tackle, and was pulverizing Big-10 defenders for four years. There's just no comparison.

And the whole question just seems illogical.

We've got Samuels, Jansen and Heyer as our top three tackles.

We've got Randy Thomas, Pete Kendall and Jason Fabini as our top three guards.

Which one obviously needs an infusion of young talent? Especially with Fabini's career winding down, Randy with his injury history, and Kendall on the last year of his contract at age 35?

Let Jansen and Heyer fight it out at RT. I'm not one of the people on this board so quick to write off Jon, but if heyer wins the job, so be it.

Then let Rinehart fight it out with Kendall. If Kendall holds on, great. Rinehart can backup and hopefully be ready to take over next year.

[MWCREDSKINS]

I'd like Rhinehart to compete at all positions. Since Buges has been back he really hasn't had that versatile lineman that made him famous in his first tour of coaching, the guy seems like he might be the answer

[Harwich Hog]

I love this kind of debate for one reason. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what we think. We have the best OL coach in Football and the choice is his and he'll mke the right one. It's nice to see a Skins team spoilt for choice along the OL.

[tml6157]

Rinehart will take over for Kendall next year. That is if Kerry Brown doesn't beat him out. Brown is going to be a beast. He has a nasty side to him. I see this year being Kendall's last season. Next draft I see us taking an OL in the early rounds (1-3). That will leave us with Samuels, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Heyer, Rinehart, Brown, Crummey and the draft pick. Thats a great mix of vets and youth! :applause:

[IbleedBnG83]

I think Rinehart will hold down that much needed left gaurd position. Kendall is on his way out. We at least have Heyer and Wade to backup Jansen on the right. Alexander seems, would be Randy Thomas' replacement. Perhaps Crummey could learn to play tackle. I like the transition the offensive line is in.

[Harwich Hog]

Kerry Brown from App. State does look like a beast. Possible RG s long-term replacement for Randy?

[TheLongshot]

As much as you want to keep saying that Jansen is done, Bugel disagrees with you. Personally, I'll wait and see.

Even if he is, tho, Heyer probably has the advantage of starting some games last year and a full year of conditioning under the Redskins. That shouldn't be underestimated, because when you are in college, you are splitting time between working out and taking classes. In the NFL, football is your full time job, so you are out there every day working out, working on fundimentals, etc. It is why you usually see a decent bump in a player's performance in their second year.

Rinehart is in the LG spot, backing up Kendall, because right now there isn't anyone backing him up. Meanwhile, we have three guys who can play LT.

Jason

[STBonecrusher21]

Rinehart will take over for Kendall next year. That is if Kerry Brown doesn't beat him out. Brown is going to be a beast. He has a nasty side to him. I see this year being Kendall's last season. Next draft I see us taking an OL in the early rounds (1-3). That will leave us with Samuels, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Heyer, Rinehart, Brown, Crummey and the draft pick. Thats a great mix of vets and youth! :applause:

Sounds good to me. Seems like you got the plan down. Very exciting!

[steamroller#99]

I like Rinehart as depth this year. Don't underestimate chemistry between linemates. It'll be tough for a Div 1a rookie to come in and right away have chemistry with Thomas. Jansen and Thomas were a lockdown right side in 05. Sure that was a couple years ago, but Jansen also had no thumbshttp://extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/laugh.gif . A heathly Jansen is the best bet this year, and let Rinehart and Brown develop under Buges.

[elkabong82]

If Buges took him as a guard, then I say keep Rinehart at guard. I trust Buges opinion on the OL over anyone on this board.

Besides, how do we know Rinehart won't start out at guard, and then transition over to tackle after a couple seasons? We don't, but it is a real possibility. Besides, if Rinehart had a real shot at tackle, Buges would have him lining up there.

I agree with Jason, the apparent bias against Jansen seems to be more the reason why this would even be considered, given that we have nobody backing-up 35 year-old Kendall at guard if Rinhart moves to tackle.

[blchizzleke]

as others have said we need to develop depth behind kendall and rabach who are both more suspect than jansen at this point imo


it is impossible to speculate on how ready jansen is though at this point with his injury last year....i trust buges judgment though

[BoRnAndRaiSedSkinsFan]

I think this is pushing it a little bit. I'd rather have Jansen out there esp. because chemistry is important on the line. I think it really shows when a line is comfortable with each other. I also don't believe Jansen has been playing poorly. Rinehart is young and will have a chance to develop into a starter. I am excited to see what he can do when he's ready.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Rinehart won't be starting this year, give him some time.

I think he could be great, I just hope Bugel stays around for a while...that man knows how to coach a freaking line...

Thanks Buges

:cheers:

[STBonecrusher21]

Watching Stephon Heyer today on Redskins Radio made me appreciate Buges more and more. He just talked about how he such a mentor and great teacher, and basically a father figure to the o-line. It is GREAT to have that kind of chemistry in the o-line alone.

Buges knows what the hell's he's doin, whoever he puts out there, it'll be for the greater good of the team.

All hail Buges!

[pvkeeper19]

He has no experience at RT. He was a LT all through college. We've already got a few players who can play that position. Why switch him?

[skindogger47]

While I'd love to see Rinehart take over at RT, especially over Heyer, who I think is a solid backup at best, he will take over at LG next year if we're lucky and he performs well.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

He has no experience at RT. He was a LT all through college. We've already got a few players who can play that position. Why switch him?

Well LT is a harder position, protecting the QBs blindside and you're normally going up against the better DEs. I would assume moving from LT to RT is easier than the opposite.

LT is covered with Samuels but who do we have to back him up if he gets hurt?

Rinehart can serve as a viable backup for both spots now with Heyer and we can put them in as we need them.

[Morneblade]

I think Rinehart will hold down that much needed left gaurd position. Kendall is on his way out. We at least have Heyer and Wade to backup Jansen on the right. Alexander seems, would be Randy Thomas' replacement. Perhaps Crummey could learn to play tackle. I like the transition the offensive line is in.

No Way Crummey is playing tackle. He play Guard at Maryland is is smallish (just under 300 lbs) for a guard. Now, I'd like to see how he does at Center. Brown is a little smallsih for Tackle but seems to have th perfect size to play Guard. And as mentioned he's nasty as hell too.

[Morneblade]

Quote="Rinehart looks like everything Jansen was coming out, except he's quicker than Jon was."

No offense, but no effing way.

Jon Jansen started 48 games for Michigan at tackle, and was pulverizing Big-10 defenders for four years. There's just no comparison.

And the whole question just seems illogical.

I feel ya, but some of the stuff Chad did was pretty amazing. Granted, he did not go up aganst the type of players Jon did @ Michigan, but I think we really need to upgrade that position. I like Stephon, but the one thing he isnt is nasty. Chad is. I like Nasty guys, you need that on the O-line. If Stephon really steps it up and ends up being a really good player, I'd be really happy. But I have a feeling Chad is the total package, and I'd like to see him on the field. Pete Kendall is another guy he could very obviously fight for a starting position with, but I'd like to see Brown have a change to get in there as well.


We've got Samuels, Jansen and Heyer as our top three tackles.

We've got Randy Thomas, Pete Kendall and Jason Fabini as our top three guards.

Which one obviously needs an infusion of young talent? Especially with Fabini's career winding down, Randy with his injury history, and Kendall on the last year of his contract at age 35?[/qutoe]

Guard might need the solid backup, but I think Jon is our weakest link. Watching him in preseason last year, he was getting blown up by everyone.

[quote]Let Jansen and Heyer fight it out at RT. I'm not one of the people on this board so quick to write off Jon, but if heyer wins the job, so be it.

Then let Rinehart fight it out with Kendall. If Kendall holds on, great. Rinehart can backup and hopefully be ready to take over next year.

Heyer might not be ready to step in yet, but it looks like he's worked pretty hard, so he might be. I just want to see him alot more nasty and physically knocking people back. Kendall's job is going to be up for grabs as well I think, and it's very possible that Chad ends up playing there.

[Morneblade]

If Buges took him as a guard, then I say keep Rinehart at guard. I trust Buges opinion on the OL over anyone on this board.


So do I.:D



Besides, how do we know Rinehart won't start out at guard, and then transition over to tackle after a couple seasons? We don't, but it is a real possibility. Besides, if Rinehart had a real shot at tackle, Buges would have him lining up there.

I would have to agree. I havent heard where Chad had been lining up.

We dont, but usually guys move from Tackle to Guard, it's it's later in their career when they physically are not they player hey used to be. (See Fabini)


I agree with Jason, the apparent bias against Jansen seems to be more the reason why this would even be considered, given that we have nobody backing-up 35 year-old Kendall at guard if Rinhart moves to tackle.

Fabini plays Guard and Brown will probably be playing guard. And I would like to keep Brown, Crummey (I see him at Center) and Rinehart. I have nothing against Jon, at all. I just have seen his play really fall off the past 3-4 years. He used to be a very physical player but he has really lost that part of his game.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

My first thought was: who the hell is Chad Rinehart?

Them I remembered.

Anyway, I would be pretty shocked if we had another rookie starting at right tackle this year.

[Morneblade]

My first thought was: who the hell is Chad Rinehart?

Them I remembered.

Anyway, I would be pretty shocked if we had another rookie starting at right tackle this year.

In all honesty I would be suprised too. But I'd rather get our 5 best guys out there. Now, if Jon can start playing like he did 4 years ago I'd be really happy. I'd rather see a guy out there that was a vet and give guys like Brown, Rinehart, and Crummey a couple years to get ready.

[Silverfox]

OK - We've got Jon, Heyer, Wade at RT; Thomas, Fabini, Brown at RG; Rabach, DeVan (give the kid a chance), Crummey at C; Kendall, Rinehart at LG; Samuels and who? at LT. Is this where Rinehart doubles in his development? That is eleven on the Oline, someone's got to go, right? Anybody make a guess?

[Yusuf06]

OK, I'm going to put on my B & G glasses for a moment and just imagine that we're lucky and that all these guys work out for us. If that happens, we'd be looking at a future OL of:
Samuels________Crummey________Rabach________Brown_ _______Rhinehart (with Rabach and Samuels to be replaced a few years down the road). Not bad at all.

Even if they don't all work out, we'd still be able to put Rhinehart at LG and hopefully Heyer at RT. We're not where we need to be just yet, but we've made some decent progress on the OL. While it didn't come the way I wanted it to, i.e. with one of the premier OT prospects in the 1st this year, I still think we've gotten there, albeit with some darkhorse, under the radar type guys.

Again with the B & G glasses, if even 1 of the 3 receivers we took in the 2nd works out (not at all unlikely IMHO), we could be looking at a genuinely potent offense in a year or two. Now all we need to do is rebuild our DL and get some depth in our defensive backfield (sorry, not buying Tryon and Moore...B & G glasses or not) and we could really be more or less complete on both sides of the ball.

[Morneblade]

OK - We've got Jon, Heyer, Wade at RT; Thomas, Fabini, Brown at RG; Rabach, DeVan (give the kid a chance), Crummey at C; Kendall, Rinehart at LG; Samuels and who? at LT. Is this where Rinehart doubles in his development? That is eleven on the Oline, someone's got to go, right? Anybody make a guess?

Wade is probably gone. I would think that DeVan is on the outside looking in. Crummey might go on IR (so we can keep him around and prime him for the future). I think we keep Fabini (since he can play Guard and Tackle) Heyer (because he can play both R and L Tackle) Brown and Rinehart along with the starters.

[Mercuryrising]

I think Rabach is the first to go, then Kendall, among our current starters.

[bedlamVR]

I think Rabach is the first to go, then Kendall, among our current starters.


Why Rabach ? He was playing at a high level he is smart and gels well with the unit .

Why is there a rush to get rid of established players? We have some good young depth great lets develop them where we can but lets not think we have to find starters this season when we have 5 good guys already .

People keep saying Jon has lost much over the last few years and he is injury prone . He has missed 2007, one game of 2006 and all of 2004 with different injuries . Injuries just happen it is bad luck but the injuries Jon had are not a sign og wearing down . Cronic back and shoulder problems spell doom for a OL broken ankle is troublesome but you aren't going to ask him to be speinting and pivoting on it .

People also forget from 2004-2006 the Redskins QB was been left handed so Jansen has been protecting the blindside of Brunell . Even I addmit his pass blocking has never been on a par with Samuels or his own run blocking skills so he has had to adjust his style .

People want to say because Heyer did quite well down the stretch he should be starting Jon is past it etc etc but the fact we simply couldn't run right at all normally our bread and butter should cause people to stop and think.

Its great that we are getting depth if Jons not the man they I am fine with it

IN BUGES WE TRUST

[Harwich Hog]

I think at the start of the season we're looking at.
Samuels...Kendall...Rabach...Thomas...Jansen.

I wouldn't be surprised if by end of the season we see Rinehart in there.
Samuels...Rinehart...Rabach...Thomas...Jansen

However ... in 2-3 seasons, i'd love to see this.
Samuels...Rinehart...[new center]...Brown... Heyer.

All singing happy to Buge's tunes :)

[Wyndorf25]

We've got Samuels, Jansen and Heyer as our top three tackles.

We've got Randy Thomas, Pete Kendall and Jason Fabini as our top three guards.

Which one obviously needs an infusion of young talent? Especially with Fabini's career winding down, Randy with his injury history, and Kendall on the last year of his contract at age 35?

Let Jansen and Heyer fight it out at RT. I'm not one of the people on this board so quick to write off Jon, but if heyer wins the job, so be it.

Then let Rinehart fight it out with Kendall. If Kendall holds on, great. Rinehart can backup and hopefully be ready to take over next year.

:applause: ...well said. Having Heyer in the mix allows the team to use Rinehart as a great option to bolster the guard position which is the greater area of need at this point. I think the Skins are fortunate to have both Heyer and Rinhart at this point and they should be used to their strengths.

[Stew]

They really speak highly of Reinharts hand punch. Any man with an impressive handpunch is ok in my book.

[The Full Monty]

Quote="Rinehart looks like everything Jansen was coming out, except he's quicker than Jon was."

No offense, but no effing way.

Jon Jansen started 48 games for Michigan at tackle, and was pulverizing Big-10 defenders for four years. There's just no comparison.

And the whole question just seems illogical.

We've got Samuels, Jansen and Heyer as our top three tackles.

We've got Randy Thomas, Pete Kendall and Jason Fabini as our top three guards.

Which one obviously needs an infusion of young talent? Especially with Fabini's career winding down, Randy with his injury history, and Kendall on the last year of his contract at age 35?

Let Jansen and Heyer fight it out at RT. I'm not one of the people on this board so quick to write off Jon, but if heyer wins the job, so be it.

Then let Rinehart fight it out with Kendall. If Kendall holds on, great. Rinehart can backup and hopefully be ready to take over next year.
I'm gonna have to agree. Great points.

[PlayAction]

They really speak highly of Reinharts hand punch. Any man with an impressive handpunch is ok in my book.

The OL man on the team with the best hand punch and is the best at trap blocking and getting to the second level is.......Randy Thomas. Based upon Rinehart's scouting report he seems to be best suited to RG. Has Bugel said specifically that Rinehart is backing up Kendall or is everyone assuming that because Kendall is on the last year of his contract and is older?

I agree that Jansen's performance over the last three years has been disappointing. Even Parcells said Jansen had lost a step and should be tried at Guard. Say what you want about Parcells but he's a good talent evaluator. On the other hand, when Jansen was in the lineup he was battling calf injuries. So that might be the reason why he appears to have lost speed. Hopefully the extended time off has saved his body from some regular wear and tear and he will come back and be fully healthy. If he can't play RT I'd like to see him compete with Kendall.

I'm happy with Rinehart as a backup his first year.

[nightbird]

Even Parcells said Jansen had lost a step and should be tried at Guard. Say what you want about Parcells but he's a good talent evaluator.

I recall an article about Parcells and crew studying tape, and he said it looked like Jansen wasn't as powerful as he used to be.

But to my knowledge, he never said anything about moving him to guard. And I really don't believe he's anything special as a talent evaluator.

And frankly, after the Todd Wade experiment, I'm not really interested in trying to switch a guy who's been playing tackle since he was 18 years old. It's just not that simple.

If Heyer at this point is better than Jon, then fine, let him start, and Jon will be our backup tackle. I'd like to at least watch Jon in TC and preseason though. The guy has been a warrior for us over nine years, and I'm not writing him off.

[theTruthTeller]

Rinehart's coming from a small-time school - here's who they played last year: Minnesota State, Iowa St., SD St., Drake, Illinois St., S. Ill., W. Ill., Youngstown St., Missouri St., Indiana St., S. Utah, N.Hampshire and Delaware. Unlike Wade, he's got a build for a guard. Even if he's got the skills to be a tackle, he needs to start out at guard while he develops.

[Morneblade]

I love the way everyone annoints Rinehardt, Brown, Cummey et al as the second coming ... These guys haven't proved squat yet. Fabini and Wade are proven backups ... with tons of experience. With an unporven QB (JC)... Zorn will not further expose him to rookie OLinemen. Heyer is a backup at this stage. I see Jansen opening the season at RT. If Heyer comes on or Jansen slips, Jansen might be relegated to back up at center (a desparate need). Of the "new" Olineman everyone in this thread is getting a boner over, only Rinehardt will make the opening day roster as a back-up at Guard ... and he probably will be inactive at that.

Well, they did all that with Heyer last year, so you cant say that Zorn wont expose JC with "unproven" backups, and Gibbs is probably more prone to useing vets than Zorn is. That, and outside of Crummey (IR) how are you going to keep anyone on the team and yet have them inactive? 3rd string QB... yeah. Backup O-Line, not really.

I honestly dont see a change in starters this year. If everyone remains healthy I think Jansen will start. However I was looking long term (well, next year) and though they should give Rinehart a look at RT. I consider it a weakness right now and it needs an upgrade, so I'd like to see how Chad does there with Heyer.

[cphil006]

absolutely

[Morneblade]

I recall an article about Parcells and crew studying tape, and he said it looked like Jansen wasn't as powerful as he used to be.

But to my knowledge, he never said anything about moving him to guard. And I really don't believe he's anything special as a talent evaluator.

I've seen the same things, and quickness was not his strong suit. Watching him get blown back by on almost every snap in preaseason scared the hell out of me.



And frankly, after the Todd Wade experiment, I'm not really interested in trying to switch a guy who's been playing tackle since he was 18 years old. It's just not that simple.

If Heyer at this point is better than Jon, then fine, let him start, and Jon will be our backup tackle. I'd like to at least watch Jon in TC and preseason though. The guy has been a warrior for us over nine years, and I'm not writing him off.

I think they should definately have competition in training camp One thing I really hope Jansen does is come into camp in shape. He usually doenst do much in the offseason and has to kinda work himeslf into shape in camp. Which might be why he loooked horrible last year and pre-season and got hurt in the first game. Still, at his age he needs to come into camp in shape, especially after a couple big injuries.

[TheLongshot]

The OL man on the team with the best hand punch and is the best at trap blocking and getting to the second level is.......Randy Thomas. Based upon Rinehart's scouting report he seems to be best suited to RG. Has Bugel said specifically that Rinehart is backing up Kendall or is everyone assuming that because Kendall is on the last year of his contract and is older?

Bugel has said that in an interview.


I agree that Jansen's performance over the last three years has been disappointing. Even Parcells said Jansen had lost a step and should be tried at Guard. Say what you want about Parcells but he's a good talent evaluator. On the other hand, when Jansen was in the lineup he was battling calf injuries. So that might be the reason why he appears to have lost speed. Hopefully the extended time off has saved his body from some regular wear and tear and he will come back and be fully healthy. If he can't play RT I'd like to see him compete with Kendall.

Jansen was pretty good in 2005. He battled injuries for most of 2006, which is the reason why his performance wasn't as good as we expect from him.

That's really the only concern about Jansen right now, the fact that he has been hurt for three out of the last four years. The good thing is, we have a couple of guys who can play at his position if he does get hurt. When he's healthy, he's better than either of those two guys right now.

Jason

[TheLongshot]

I think they should definately have competition in training camp One thing I really hope Jansen does is come into camp in shape. He usually doenst do much in the offseason and has to kinda work himeslf into shape in camp. Which might be why he loooked horrible last year and pre-season and got hurt in the first game. Still, at his age he needs to come into camp in shape, especially after a couple big injuried.

Bugel says that he's interested in putting out the five best guys out into the starting lineup (which was part of the reasoning for trying to move Wade over to Guard last year) Also, he says that Jansen is in pretty good shape this year.

Jason

[mudhog]

Wade is probably gone. I would think that DeVan is on the outside looking in. Crummey might go on IR (so we can keep him around and prime him for the future). I think we keep Fabini (since he can play Guard and Tackle) Heyer (because he can play both R and L Tackle) Brown and Rinehart along with the starters.

Couldn't have said it any better.:applause:

Wade is :ciao:

If we end up keeping both Crummey and DeVan, then Fabini is gone too.

Hail

[Morneblade]

Couldn't have said it any better.:applause:

Wade is :ciao:

If we end up keeping both Crummey and DeVan, then Fabini is gone too.

Hail

I dont know if Fabini will be gone this year, I think we're going to want to keep some veteran players in reserve. We know he can play guard decently, and Heyer was ok at Tackle. Next year it might be a different story though, if Brown and/or Rinehart play well he should be gone as well. I have a feeling Crummey will be in IR, just so they can keep as many young guys as possible and see how he does at Center next year.

[fuadsaif123]

i think rinehart will replace kendall next season at left guard. and if he is receiving reps at tackle in practice, i still think heyer is the first tackle off the bench should samuels or jansen go down

my thoughts exactly.

[jweisk1]

[QUOTE=PlayAction] Even Parcells said Jansen had lost a step and should be tried at Guard. Say what you want about Parcells but he's a good talent evaluator.=QUOTE]


Parcells is awesome...I recall Parcells telling Chris Cooley that he would make a great special teams player and that if he was around in the 6th Dallas was going to select him...

Maybe Parcells is losing a step!!

[Thinking Skins]

I honestly could see him replacing Kendall this year at LG. If not in training camp, then by the end of the season. I have a strong feeling that our starting OL will be a lot younger by the end of this year

[eljeasel]

I hope hes the real deal. Swing guy that could play everywhere on the line? Money

[Thinking Skins]

I hope hes the real deal. Swing guy that could play everywhere on the line? Money

I haven't heard him being able to play center. If he could do that, then he may be a nice pickup. But you know what they say, "jack of all trades, master of none". I hope that doesn't describe him.

[TheLongshot]

I haven't heard him being able to play center. If he could do that, then he may be a nice pickup. But you know what they say, "jack of all trades, master of none". I hope that doesn't describe him.

No, he doesn't play Center. He has shown that he can move between Tackle and Guard, tho.

There isn't any problem with being the second coming of Raleigh McKenzie. Players like that are always nice to have.

Jason

[Silverfox]

Since Rinehart played all of his college life at LT, and the scouts say he would be a better guard, let him develop as a backup to Kendall (ie, the left side). But a guy named Bugel is smarter then me about those things - I'd go with him as to where Rinehart plays. (It's tough enough for a rookie to find the head and not burden him with learning to play everywhere on the line!)

[martytheman]

Even Parcells said Jansen had lost a step and should be tried at Guard. Say what you want about Parcells but he's a good talent evaluator.

This is the same guy who told Cooley he wouldn't amount to much more than a special teamer :rolleyes:

[mistertim]

I love the way everyone annoints Rinehardt, Brown, Cummey et al as the second coming ... These guys haven't proved squat yet. Fabini and Wade are proven backups ... with tons of experience. With an unporven QB (JC)... Zorn will not further expose him to rookie OLinemen. Heyer is a backup at this stage. I see Jansen opening the season at RT. If Heyer comes on or Jansen slips, Jansen might be relegated to back up at center (a desparate need). Of the "new" Olineman everyone in this thread is getting a boner over, only Rinehardt will make the opening day roster as a back-up at Guard ... and he probably will be inactive at that.

I love the irony...mister "Colt Brennan will be great" lambasting people for "annointing" guys who haven't proven squat yet in the NFL.

[eljeasel]

I haven't heard him being able to play center. If he could do that, then he may be a nice pickup. But you know what they say, "jack of all trades, master of none". I hope that doesn't describe him.

Hmm, I thought I had read that he could play center somewhere. I could easily have misread that though. And Im with you on that last sentiment, I hope hes good in AT LEAST one role.

[Morneblade]

I love the irony...mister "Colt Brennan will be great" lambasting people for "annointing" guys who haven't proven squat yet in the NFL.

Tell me about it. Crummey was 2nd team All American WITH the broken leg. Rinehart posted the best blocking stats in 15 years in Division 1AA. And some pretty good scouts think Brown might be a regular @ the Probowl. But these guys are total trash.


And Brennan has the worst delivery I've ever seen. But Peck thinks he's the next Brady.:doh:


I'll be honest. Does it seem a stretch that we could have 3 UDFA come into camp within 2 years and they end up being staters, hell yeah. But for some reason, and I really dont know why, these guys seem to me like they might make a real impact. Usually, I dont think alot of the guys we'ver been getting over the past 4-5 years in the late rounds. I'm not a Maryland fan either, so it's not the blind homer in me saying Heyer and Crummey will be great. Rienheart and Brown might be the 2 best linemen that Division 1AA has put out in several years, and you can get some real talent from there. Crummey was one of the highest rated Olinemen in the country before he broke his leg, so that is a definate steal (I still think we should have gone after Eric Young though). Heyer showed he could play last year, and I think he'll be in better shape and better prepared this year. So I dont think it's as much as stretch as I would say it would be normally.

[Spartacus87]

Tell me about it. Crummey was 2nd team All American WITH the broken leg. Rinehart posted the best blocking stats in 15 years in Division 1AA. And some pretty good scouts think Brown might be a regular @ the Probowl. But these guys are total trash.

I'll be honest. Does it seem a stretch that we could have 3 UDFA come into camp within 2 years and they end up being staters, hell yeah. But for some reason, and I really dont know why, these guys seem to me like they might make a real impact. Usually, I dont think alot of the guys we'ver been getting over the past 4-5 years in the late rounds. I'm not a Maryland fan either, so it's not the blind homer in me saying Heyer and Crummey will be great. Rienheart and Brown might be the 2 best linemen that Division 1AA has put out in several years, and you can get some real talent from there. Crummey was one of the highest rated Olinemen in the country before he broke his leg, so that is a definate steal (I still think we should have gone after Eric Young though). Heyer showed he could play last year, and I think he'll be in better shape and better prepared this year. So I dont think it's as much as stretch as I would say it would be normally. I completely agree.

Although I'll say the majority of my faith comes in trusting Bugel, and his coaching. Bugel really put Heyer on the map last year as a solid young project- the kid was going up against Strahan by the end of the season like it was an everyday thing. Between Heyer, Rinehart, Crummey, and Brown, with Bugel coaching them, I have a feeling at least half of those guys should pan out as solid linemen, and if so, I'd consider that a great success for us.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I completely agree.

Although I'll say the majority of my faith comes in trusting Bugel, and his coaching. Bugel really put Heyer on the map last year as a solid young project- the kid was going up against Strahan by the end of the season like it was an everyday thing. Between Heyer, Rinehart, Crummey, and Brown, with Bugel coaching them, I have a feeling at least half of those guys should pan out as solid linemen, and if so, I'd consider that a great success for us.

Gosh, if just 1 of those UDFA became a solid starter I would be satisfied.

Half, that would be a miracle

[Spartacus87]

Gosh, if just 1 of those UDFA became a solid starter I would be satisfied.

Half, that would be a miracle Well I included Rinehart in the mix with those 4. And I think Heyer, especially with his training and coaching this off-season, really has the chance to step up and either prove to be a very valuable back-up, or possibly even give Jansen a strong run of his money at starting.

So that right there would be my hopeful 2 picks of those guys. I'm not entirely up on Crummey, I just know what I've heard around here, but it seems like he has great potential as well, as does Brown.

I know I'm throwing the word potential around a lot here, but again, we're talking about Joe Bugel coaching these kids. Nobody squeezes more out of hungry o-linemen than Buges, and if they've really got the potential, he's gonna be the one that finds it.

My dream would be Heyer stepping up and in a year, taking the RT spot from Jansen, Rinehart taking over for Kendall, Crummey and/or Brown earning a strong back up role, and in next year's draft spending another 2nd or 3rd round pick on a RG. Samuels is still young enough and good enough that he can play at a high level another 2-3 years, and Rabach is the youngest guy on the current o-line, good for another 2 years or so. By the time Samuels/Rabach are to be replaced, we've hopefully got the cards laid out to just have to use a high draft pick to replace Samuels and we're set.

[Morneblade]

Gosh, if just 1 of those UDFA became a solid starter I would be satisfied.

Half, that would be a miracle


Well, not so much. Back when the draft had 12 rounds, all those guys would have been drafted. Raleigh McKenzie was an 11th round pick. Mark Schlereth was a 10th rounder. Ed Simmons was a 6th rounder. George Starke was an 11th rounder.

Jefff Bostic and Joe Jacoby weren't even drafted........in 12 rounds.

Buges has been know to get some quality starts out of guys that were not drafted highly.:D

[Sawyer5500]

I say we groom Rhinehart to take over for Kendall in 2009. And in the 2009 draft we need to keep drafting linemen. Successful teams draft multiple linemen each year.

[Morneblade]

Hi Mistertim ... good to see you back ... PS: I don't think I said anything here about Colt ... anyway you and Blade are so full of wishful thinking its hilarious. Can't wait for the final roster ... this offseason fantasy stuff is hilarious ... did I say that already?

You dont have to Greg, the whole "Colt45" thing in under your avatar is a constant reminder. And considering the man-crush you have on him and how much of a longshot he is, the irony cant be lost on you. And with your past guys that you've been hot for and considering not one of them ever made the squad......

:D

Back on subject.

We know what Heyer did last year, and Crummey was a much higher rated player even after he broke his leg the 1st time. I still think we IR the guy just so other teams cant get at him. I think if we PR him, he'll get snagged.

Brown pretty much blew people away at the SR bowl. It was his one shot to show he could play against the big boys (besides beating Michigan) and alot of scouts were really impressed.

Rinehart was a 3rd round pick, not an UDFA. So I think only one UDFA makes the squad, Crummey will be on IR and work on playing center and Brown will be backing up the guards and Rinehart is probably going to be challenging for a starting job.

[manicd]

Well, not so much. Back when the draft had 12 rounds, all those guys would have been drafted. Raleigh McKenzie was an 11th round pick. Mark Schlereth was a 10th rounder. Ed Simmons was a 6th rounder. George Starke was an 11th rounder.

Jefff Bostic and Joe Jacoby weren't even drafted........in 12 rounds.

Buges has been know to get some quality starts out of guys that were not drafted highly.:D


Wow. I knew about Jacoby, but I thought he was the anomaly. That is great to know their is a history of Skins that were drafted so late, or not late at all. Of course, this is OL. It makes sense. Different position. You don't see it often with the skills position, and when you do, you never hear the end of it, ala Brady. It's not crazy to think that these guys can/will be starters. And as others said, we still got Buges. We aren't discussing late round and UDFA QBs and RBs here. No reason to be pessimistic with the guys we got at all. I'm pretty confident we did alright in this last draft, despite the lack of addressing DL.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I just wish Joe Bugel was still alive to develop him.

[manicd]

I just wish Joe Bugel was still alive to develop him.

What's with the sarcasm? Are you saying he doesn't have it anymore?

[Morneblade]

What's with the sarcasm? Are you saying he doesn't have it anymore?

I'm lost on that too, I think what he did with Heyer says that he is still the best O-line coach in the game. Even Samuels wasnt looking great before Buges got here. Now it's 3 straight Pro Bowls for him and counting.

[Morneblade]

Blade ... you have a short memory ... I also called for Campbell to start at the beginning of the year instaed of 9 games in ... I called for the bus to take Gibbs out of town long before that was popular ... I begged for the Skins to dump Portis and draft AP at no. 6 ... yea ... I guess I miss a few sometimes.

Short memory?

No.


Pay close attention to most of the stuff you post about how is going to be the next HoFer or who sucks?

Again.....No.


Weren't you on the Bramlett bandwagon for awhile?

[Morneblade]

Well, Randy Thomas had a little something to say about Chad. From the Redskins.com interview.

"We have a great young upcoming star In Rinehart. He's Ugly, but he's pretty good!"

Wherever he ends up playing, I hope Randy is right about this.

[Dan T.]

Remember Raleigh McKenzie? Bugel could plug him in anywhere on the line as a spot starter for an injured player and the Hogs wouldn't miss a beat. Maybe Rinehart could develop into that type of valuable utility o-lineman.

[Morneblade]

Remember Raleigh McKenzie? Bugel could plug him in anywhere on the line as a spot starter for an injured player and the Hogs wouldn't miss a beat. Maybe Rinehart could develop into that type of valuable utility o-lineman.

I think he has the abilty to do that. Having a guy like that really helps your offensive depth. While I see him starting sometime soon, having a guy that you can throw in there like McKenzie and not even miss a beat is a huge luxury to have.

[ADF]

Randy Thomas paid Rinehart a compliment today (on Redskins.com). He called him an "upcoming star" among other things... LOL!!! Randy is hilarious.

[Steve567]

i think rinehart will replace kendall next season at left guard. and if he is receiving reps at tackle in practice, i still think heyer is the first tackle off the bench should samuels or jansen go down

I'd agree. Heyer filled in very nicely last season and Buge's loves him. If Jansen should go down he gets the nod.

[Morneblade]

I'm bumping this after seeing how Jansen has been looking. I dont think he's any better than he was last year.

Which was bad. He's getting pushed back and beaten...alot. I really hope they stick Rinehart over there and see how he looks in practice. The guy is a flat out mauler than can actually pass protect. Jansen is going to get Campbell and anyone else we put out there beat up.

[Morneblade]

I think the Skins will put Rino at LG and Heyer at RT eventually.

Very possible. The only things that concern me is that Heyer didnt look good in his one chance to play this hear, and most people feel he is more of a finesse guy, and that RT needs to be the "mauler". While I dont really agree with that, I think we need to get someone other than Jansen in with the first team. The fact that Rinehart has been pretty dominant in both Guard and Tackle is pretty amazing for a rookie. I'd like to see him starting and Kendall has been playing pretty well, but Jansen is definately the weak link on the first team. We need to upgrade that position.

[CapitalDefense]

*Additional note: He was one of the top O-linemen in the Vertical Jump and 20 yard shuttle. Quick and explosive.
Have at it. http://extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Yep we will need him for our intramural basketball team no doubt.


I'm bumping this after seeing how Jansen has been looking. I dont think he's any better than he was last year.

Which was bad. He's getting pushed back and beaten...alot. I really hope they stick Rinehart over there and see how he looks in practice. The guy is a flat out mauler than can actually pass protect. Jansen is going to get Campbell and anyone else we put out there beat up.

When Portis got 3 chances inside the 3 yard line last night, 2 chances went left and he got very little. The one that went right scored, with a good block by Thomas as well, nuff said!

Rinehart is going to be a starter for us in a year or 2, probably at left guard, but our offensive line will be fine this year.

[Veretax]

I thought Heyer was backing up Samuels?


And no, we may need him at guard sooner than later. Keep him fresh, let him learn on the sideline or start at Guard.

[angel2]

Yeah, it's off season, so we dont have much else to do but speculate on our guys and how they are doing with OTA's and training camp looming next month. Additional note: He was one of the top O-linemen in the Vertical Jump and 20 yard shuttle. Quick and explosive.
Have at it. :D


Pardon the edit job, but you have got to be in a narrow hallway hearing your mind turning cartwheels with this post.

Jansen is damn good and should stay put until he or Joe B. decides it's time to move him.

[skins2victory]

Rinehart has been looking very good for us, for a 7th round rookie. He was a steel in the draft, in my opinion. We really did good in this years draft, if Thomas, and Kelly get healthy and do well. What is up with Janson??? I don't think he has been doing to great so far. Hopefully he has been brushing off the dust!!

[bolivian]

I think he was picked in the fourth round.

[c4man5282]

Rinehart has been looking very good for us, for a 7th round rookie. He was a steel in the draft, in my opinion. We really did good in this years draft, if Thomas, and Kelly get healthy and do well. What is up with Janson??? I don't think he has been doing to great so far. Hopefully he has been brushing off the dust!!


I think he was picked in the fourth round.


He was a 3rd round pick

[RWJ]

Rinehart, so far is the best drafted player we have on our team as far as showing what he is made of and what he can do. Vinny made an excellent 3rd round choice with him.

[BigRedskinDaddy]

I am not going to weigh in on whether he should supplant Jansen, but just want to say I could read that analysis all day long. Love the part(s) about his hand punch, and anchor strength, AND aggression with both his run- and pass-blocking. This guy is a staight-up keeper.

[Pedro]

Backups are becoming a strong point of our team...

Question is, without injury playing a part, by what game is he a starter? And will his strong showing mean Fabini is let go and Crummey gets to stick around and learn realtime?

Edit: And note I'm not taking Rinehart at RT seriously. Without Rinehart we have Jansen/Heyer for that position. At LG without Rinehart we have Kendall/Fabini. At RG we have Thomas/Fabini. Rinehart needs to be a G for us right now IMO. Hopefully he will show good enough in preseason to let Fabini go and keep Crummey.

[bobzmuda]

IIRC, Rinehart has never played on the right-side. Buges has said he wants to keep him on the left. I expect Rinehart will start at LG next year, and Kendall will either retire or re-sign as a backup.

[BigRedskinDaddy]

I think the Skins will put Rino at LG and Heyer at RT eventually.

Rino!! Love the nick, Gp. Gonna pawn that IYDM -

[cphil006]

Rino can play anywhere. He loves contact.

[cphil006]

Jansen needs to get his feet back under him real soon. He really needs to play an entire preseason game to get more practice and reps.

[Fifty Gut]

IIRC, Rinehart has never played on the right-side. Buges has said he wants to keep him on the left. I expect Rinehart will start at LG next year, and Kendall will either retire or re-sign as a backup.

Most likely outcome. They have had him playing only LT and LG for a reason.

[ashsra]

It would be tough to put Rhinehart in at the start of the year. You gotta remember Rhinehart's going against backups right now, although he is playing great. My main concern with Jansen is he's been beat 2 games in a row with a strong inside rush move. Last night he had a holding penalty, that's the only reason Jason didn't get sacked. If Jon doesn't correct that, every team in the league is going to line up their speed guy against him and try to beat him inside.

[Seabee1973]

I bet if buges stays around for 4 or 5 years and we get some young talent on that O=line we can get some draft picks come crunch time when other teams are hurting instead of us paying the draft picks

[cphil006]

Heyer may overtake jansen this year. Rhino would be the long-term solution at guard, once he gets better than Fabini.

[cphil006]

Sorry for the typo guys ... it should be "Rhino-heart" ... Jansen will remain at RT until they carry him out ... sure he's had a few rough plays ... but its early in the preseason ... I have a hope he will have a good year and play in all the games, for once. To me, Heyer still is a project in work.

Jansen is still knocking the rust off. I'm sure he's looking at film and cringing, then going out and working on his foot work.

[BoRnAndRaiSedSkinsFan]

I'm not giving up on Jansen yet. I'm sure Jansen will be fine once the regular season starts. This is an OLine that has been together for years and knows each other. I'd rather have that chemistry out there than the newbie. I could see Rinehart starting next year...but not replacing Jansen this year.

[GibbsFactor]

I have to admit, I have my concerns with Jon Jansen.

He, along with Moss, are our starting offense's biggest question marks.

[Thinking Skins]

I'm not giving up on Jansen yet. I'm sure Jansen will be fine once the regular season starts. This is an OLine that has been together for years and knows each other. I'd rather have that chemistry out there than the newbie. I could see Rinehart starting next year...but not replacing Jansen this year.

I'm not either. I hope he just needs to get used to the speed of the game again. But if he can't I hope that Heyer can come in and play well for him. Hopefully we don't need to have 3 RTs on our roster.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

I have to admit, I have my concerns with Jon Jansen.

He, along with Moss, are our starting offense's biggest question marks.

Moss has been playing well in the pre season and he seems to have a TON of energy. He gets fired up after catches and that's encouraging. Last year he must have been going t hrough some serious **** off the field because his head just wasn't in the games.

As for Jansen, he's a vet and has plenty of experience. I think he'll come back during the season and play just fine. You have to remember the guy has been injured for like 2-3 seasons straight. First the achilles, then the thumbs and finally that gruesome injury last year. he's just rusty

[Warpath11]

We seem to have this disucssion almost every training camp. Jon Jansen does not look good during these games, but as others have mentioned he always brings his A game when the season starts.

On Saturday night I was getting frustrated with his play since Aaron Schlobel (sp) was dominating him on every passing situation. I have faith that Jansen will turn it around once the season starts.

[SkinsOrlando]

Make note: Jansen has one of his best seasons this year, I'm calling it now

[DiscoBob]

Jansen's on the downside of his career, this year or next, we are going to have to find someone else....he may surprise, but even in 2006, he was looking iffy, add to that a major injury and I don't have much hope...

[Morneblade]

Make note: Jansen has one of his best seasons this year, I'm calling it now

I think he'll have his worst. Right now he sucks.




Jansen is damn good and should stay put until he or Joe B. decides it's time to move him.

How do you rate players? He's looking terrible right now, and was looking terrible last year before he got hurt.



We seem to have this disucssion almost every training camp. Jon Jansen does not look good during these games, but as others have mentioned he always brings his A game when the season starts.


On Saturday night I was getting frustrated with his play since Aaron Schlobel (sp) was dominating him on every passing situation. I have faith that Jansen will turn it around once the season starts.

I dont. I think he's going to get QB's killed.

[hitmandm]

Sorry for the typo guys ... it should be "Rhino-heart" ... Jansen will remain at RT until they carry him out ... sure he's had a few rough plays ... but its early in the preseason ... I have a hope he will have a good year and play in all the games, for once. To me, Heyer still is a project in work.

The prolem is that Jansen has been getting carried out alot the past few years. eriously, Jansen will make a move to the inside sometime the next couple of years

[RedskinDan0557]

If Jansen struggles, Rhineheart will eventually see action. I'd like to see the old guy dominate though.

[Morneblade]

I'm not writing off Jansen just yet. It has taken freak injuries to get him off the field and the criticism of his play of couple of years ago were do to duh playing with two broken thumbs severely sprains calves and ankles. I like big uglies like him though toughing it out can lead to you being aken advantage of.

Rineheart hopefully our updated version of Raleigh McKenzie will actually be our new starting left guard if it comes down to that in 2009

I dont think he's looked very good when healthy the last couple of years though. and he sure hasnt this year. I dont dislike the guy, but he either needs to play alot better, or we need to find someone that will play better. My personal opinion is that Rinehart could probalby go in right now, and be better than Jansen is.

[dfitzo53]

I always find Jansen tough to evaluate. His best is very good, but he hasn't consistently hit that mark recently. I can't personally call it either way, but I agree with the person who said that for now I like the idea of him playing better than throwing a newbie into the mix.

I didn't think Heyer looked all that great in the first preseason game anyway.