NBA Pre-Draft Trade Central (O'neal to the Raptors)

[skinfan2k]

Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher that the Pacers and the Raptors have agreed to a deal that, pending review of medical information, would send Jermaine O'Neal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3120) to Toronto in exchange for T.J. Ford (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3711), Rasho Nesterovic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3260) and the No. 17 pick in Thursday's NBA draft.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3461029


This is official. The front line of Bosh and O'neal. What do you think. I am not feeling this move at all

[ACW]

Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher that the Pacers and the Raptors have agreed to a deal that, pending review of medical information, would send Jermaine O'Neal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3120) to Toronto in exchange for T.J. Ford (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3711), Rasho Nesterovic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3260) and the No. 17 pick in Thursday's NBA draft.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3461029


This is official. The front line of Bosh and O'neal. What do you think. I am not feeling this move at allGood for the Raptors if Jermaine stays healthy; bad for the Wiz.

[KDawg]

Great move for Toronto.

That's a great front court that could be a blast to watch!

Good thing the Celts still have Garnett or I'd be nervous... ;)

[skinfan2k]

I really want to see what Miami does as rumors are speculating that Boozer is headed to South Beach next year to play where his off season home is.

[KDawg]

Personally, I think Miami is better off with Mayo than Beasley. I think Beasley will make a bigger impact now, but having a point guard like Mayo pushing the ball upcourt and passing to a DWade/Shawn Marion is a need for them. Beasley would upgrade their front court, but I just feel like the point guard is the better pick up for them.

Of course, this is assuming Chicago takes Rose. If they don't, Rose will be a member of the Heat.

[cjcdaman]

I really want to see what Miami does as rumors are speculating that Boozer is headed to South Beach next year to play where his off season home is.


Yeah, but doesn't Boozer going to Miami have to do with Miami dealing their draft pick?

[GoSkinsGo]

I really want to see what Miami does as rumors are speculating that Boozer is headed to South Beach next year to play where his off season home is.

Is their any rumor on what the Heat would have to give up besides the #2?

[ACW]

I really want to see what Miami does as rumors are speculating that Boozer is headed to South Beach next year to play where his off season home is.Wade, Marion, Boozer? :ahhhhh:

[KDawg]

I'm not a huge Boozer fan. Besides, they have Haslem, who isn't as good as Boozer, but I think he's more serviceable than what they have at the point guard spot.

Miami needs a center, bad. But they also need a 1.

[StillUnknown]

Jermaine has proven to be kind of fragile, but he's not that old. if he can stay healthy, this will be a great deal for the Raptors, but i don't expect O'Neal to remain healthy

[ACW]

Like him or hate him, Boozer's an absolute BEAST inside.

[mboyd784]

The EC keeps moving forward and the Wiz keep standing still. God forbid the Pistons get Baron Davis.

[StillUnknown]

Like him or hate him, Boozer's an absolute BEAST inside.

until the playoffs start. one of my friends who is a Jazz fan, still hasn't stopped dogging him for disappearing in the playoffs this year :laugh:

[Heisenberg]

Man I love Boozer but if he could have finished that lay-up in 2002 there could have been a Duke/Maryland National Championship game (of if Jason Williams would have made his free throw it was possible as well).


Oh well.

[RedskinNutt]

I've read the Heat trying to deal down and get Elton Brand. Boozer's one year away from being a FA, and I think Miami wants to strike now.

I agree, a PG to allow D Wade to truly play a 2 would be nice...but is Mayo the one, or is he a hybrid guard like Wade? I say trade down to get a legit 4 and grab someone like DJ Augustine.

O'Neal + Bosh= a very sick front court.

[DoGood28]

Isn't Ford one injury away from being seriously injured?

[ACW]

until the playoffs start. one of my friends who is a Jazz fan, still hasn't stopped dogging him for disappearing in the playoffs this year :laugh:16 and 12 is disappearing? Granted, not 21 and 10, but still...

[RedskinsFan28]

Isn't Ford one injury away from being seriously injured?


Yes, that spinal cord injury is dangerous to play through, but I guess each team figures "both have high health risks, but a possible big payoff if (BIG if) they stay healthy." I guess Toronto then promotes Calderon to starting PG, but I wonder if Indiana stays put with Ford as their PG, or if they look to another point in the draft (they own the 41st overall pick as well as numbers 11 & 17) just for insurance reasons.

[JimmyConway]

The Raptors are instant contenders in the east now with O'Neal, Bosh, Calderon, Delfino, and Bargnani.

Quick prediction:
1.Rose 2.Beasley 3. Mayo

[artmonkforHOF]

The Raptors are instant contenders in the east now with O'Neal, Bosh, Calderon, Delfino, and Bargnani.

Quick prediction:
1.Rose 2.Beasley 3. Mayo

Have you seen Bargnani play lately? typical white guy euro 7 footer, who is unable to put his body in the paint. Bargnani plays from 3 point line to 3 point line.

Andrea needs to step into the paint and grab some boards so Bosh isn't so tired from fighting for every rebound by himself. If he would go in the paint, that would free up Bosh to get the ball 12 feet from the basket where he can kill you with a drive or a jumper, far better than Bargnani can do it.

As a Raptor fan I do not like the O'Neal deal. too much for 1 guy. Ford had to go, and if he doesnt start in Indiana, he's going to be cranky and play like crap. I also hate losing Rasho casue he is a solid player. I thought the original reports of Rash, Ford & the #17 was too much for O'Neal, but then a palyer to be named later as well? Now if O'Neal can stay healthy, everything is fine, but if he's hurt we are screwed for rebounding. We have a lot of big guys but nobody is a pure rebounder, or look like they are interested in getting the ball at all.

I hope the deal in prinicpal falls through and we go after Marion, which we are rumored to be in talks with Miami about as well.

[The Villi Phanatic]

I agree, a PG to allow D Wade to truly play a 2 would be nice...but is Mayo the one, or is he a hybrid guard like Wade? I say trade down to get a legit 4 and grab someone like DJ Augustine.

I was amused when I saw Mayo and point guard in the same sentence. He's absolutely a combo guard at best and probably moreso just a SG. You put him and Wade on the same team, and I expect Wade to be the one finding his teammates more and racking up more assists, especially after a year or 2 once Mayo settles into the league.

I like Augustin a lot, and if we throw out the size concerns, he's the #2 guard in this draft behind Rose. Trading down to get Augustin and picking up another player or whatever wouldn't be a bad idea at all if PG is a key need for the Heat (I don't follow the NBA that much though last I know they had J Williams at point, in which case, it's pretty easy to see the need at the position).

The one thing I will say about Augustin is that he seems to be moreso a slow-tempo, half-court kinda PG who excels in using screens and changes in speed and hesitation moves to create the offense for himself and his teammates. I don't think that would be an issue for Miami as opposed to a team like Phoenix, but just something to keep in mind. I'm not saying he can't lead a fast break or push the ball though, and it could just be the case that Texas was more geared towards setting up a pick and roll and high screen offense than a run and gun type, at least from what I recall this past season.

[RammsteinSkins]

I can't wait till tonight! I hope we trade down to get Brook Lopez,Id rather have Noah at forward then center but I would prefer Beasley over Rose.

[No Excuses]

Pretty even trade. Both JO and TJ Ford are injury risks but when healthy, JO is A LOT better than Ford so the Raptors had to include the #17 pick.

Having a healthy JO solves a lot of the Raptors problems. This could also mean they deal Bargnani. He's a bust.

[No Excuses]

By the way, the latest for the Wizards is that we are looking to deal the #18 to Houston for #25 and Luther Head. Not feeling that trade at all. Head is not worth trading down seven spots.

[Forehead]

The Raptors are instant contenders in the east now with O'Neal, Bosh, Calderon, Delfino, and Bargnani.

This would be true if Bargnani was anything but coming off the bench. Are they going to put O'Neal at the 5?

Toronto will be better, but no way are they serious contenders.

[skinfan2k]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3462210.


Another supertrade from a team in the east

The New Jersey Nets and Milwaukee Bucks are on the verge of a trade that will send Richard Jefferson to the Bucks for forwards Yi Jianlian and Bobby Simmons, according to NBA front-office sources.

[Heidenreich]

What a horrible deal for the Nets. Although they're just getting under the cap for 2010, to make a run at Lebron....

Yi stinks

[skinfan2k]

At #18, it looks like the Wizards are trying to decide between JaVale McGee and Darrell Arthur. It appears like both players will be there

[Forehead]

Honestly...I wish we would draft Roy Hibbert. I know some people think he's a little soft, but the fact remains:


1. He's 7'2", and can always be counted on for 12-8 at minimum once he gets acclimated to the pro game. If Haywood continues to develop, he'll be a better backup off the bench than Etan Thomas.

2. For a guy that big, he has some pretty good post moves. I've seen him do spins around people...he's also good at offensive rebounding and follow-ups, two areas the Wizards aren't good at.

3. John Thompson III runs a princeton based offense, the same as Eddie Jordan has been trying to run with the Wizards. Hibbert would already know the basics of the system we run, and that would probably help him contribute sooner.

4. He's the most NBA-ready player of all the seniors in the draft, and has given no indication that he would have off-court issues. The local ties can't be discounted either, it would bring more fans.

[Heidenreich]

Only three more hours until the Knicks draft a **** bag from Italy!

I, for one, can't wait.....

[skinfan2k]

The Knicks would send the No. 6 pick, forward David Lee and another player to the Trail Blazers for the 13th and 27th picks and a player, possibly Steve Blake or Jarrett Jack. (Portland is acquiring the 27th pick from New Orleans.) New York Times


This just for you, Heiden

[skinfan2k]

Yeah, but doesn't Boozer going to Miami have to do with Miami dealing their draft pick?

Actually, yes. They dont draft Beasley for that reason

[Heidenreich]

The Knicks would send the No. 6 pick, forward David Lee and another player to the Trail Blazers for the 13th and 27th picks and a player, possibly Steve Blake or Jarrett Jack. (Portland is acquiring the 27th pick from New Orleans.) New York Times


This just for you, Heiden

Outstanding. Another brilliant move by the Knicks, and I actually like Jarrett Jack.

Although I will refrain from killing the move until I see who is drafted by the Knicks at 13 & 27. It's not like David Lee is the greatest player ever, he is quite popular, though......

[MidwayMonster31]

Also, if Mayo goes to Minnesota, the Clippers are trading up with Seattle to draft Eric Gordon. http://www.realgm.com/
Sacramento could surprise and go with Roy Hibbert. He's polished and skilled. I think the Wizards should pick Arthur, who has better skills than McGee. Hibbert would also be a good fit because they need a center. McGee would be useful because the Wizards also need someone to intentionally injure LeBron in the playoffs, since they can't beat him.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

McGee would be useful because the Wizards also need someone to intentionally injure LeBron in the playoffs, since they can't beat him.
:rolleyes: :silly:

[No Excuses]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3462210.


Another supertrade from a team in the east

The New Jersey Nets and Milwaukee Bucks are on the verge of a trade that will send Richard Jefferson to the Bucks for forwards Yi Jianlian and Bobby Simmons, according to NBA front-office sources.

lol Jay-Z is making a mad push for LeBron in 2010. Cleveland should be worried as heck right now.

[skinfan2k]

By the way, the latest for the Wizards is that we are looking to deal the #18 to Houston for #25 and Luther Head. Not feeling that trade at all. Head is not worth trading down seven spots.

Vishal, they are doing this trade so they can relive the loss of Roger Mason and can get a pg maybe for the future

[No Excuses]

McGee fits in right with the entire Wizards roster. Offensively skilled and doesn't play a lick of defense. But if the media is saying we'll pick him, then we definitely aren't.

[No Excuses]

Vishal, they are doing this trade so they can relive the loss of Roger Mason and can get a pg maybe for the future

Yup but Roger Mason is redundant himself with Nick Young going into his second year.

Arenas/Daniels
Stevenson/Young/Head or Mason

Doesn't make sense to trade down seven spots when we already have Masons replacement.

[skinfan2k]

Yup but Roger Mason is redundant himself with Nick Young going into his second year.

Arenas/Daniels
Stevenson/Young/Head or Mason

Doesn't make sense to trade down seven spots when we already have Masons replacement.

well why not do a trade that nets a extra player in the process and drop a few spots where u get the same player

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

False alarm about the Wiz/Houston trade...apparently.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Draft-Day-Rumblings--320-PM-EST--2950/

Rumors that Houston will trade up to the 18th pick in exchange for Luther Head and the #25 have been called “completely false” by sources with knowledge of the situation. The Wizards like Roger Mason much more than Luther Head and don’t consider him any kind of upgrade to what they have already.

There is "lots of interest in the #18 pick" though.

[The Villi Phanatic]

1. He's 7'2", and can always be counted on for 12-8 at minimum once he gets acclimated to the pro game. If Haywood continues to develop, he'll be a better backup off the bench than Etan Thomas.

2. For a guy that big, he has some pretty good post moves. I've seen him do spins around people...he's also good at offensive rebounding and follow-ups, two areas the Wizards aren't good at.

4. He's the most NBA-ready player of all the seniors in the draft, and has given no indication that he would have off-court issues. The local ties can't be discounted either, it would bring more fans.


How many seniors are even in the draft that are expected to get drafted? Off the top, I can only think of a few like DJ White, Shan Foster, and Demarcus Nelson (the cat from WKU might be a senior as well) with others like Singleterry possibly getting picked. So you're not exactly comparing Hibbert to a large number of players. And I think a guy like Rush, who is a junior, is just as NBA ready anyway as well as being a much better pick. Granted, I don't know about the Wizards' specific needs and am just comparing how I rank the players, and in that regard, I don't think it's even close.

And Hibbert's strong suit isn't rebounding. It's actually a weakness for him considering his size, and I have doubts as to if you'll ever be able to count on him just for those 8+ boards per game, which I see as being closer to his ceiling than his floor. As for your other comment on attacking the glass on offense, perhaps he's a bit better rebounding on the offensive end, but he is nowhere near the level of a Brook Lopez in that regard, and I may give Robin the nod here as well though at least Hibbert does have a decent touch around the rim.

If Arthur falls to the Wizards, which a previous poster mentioned and some mocks indicate might happen, he'd be a great pick up for a down-low scoring option.

[No Excuses]

How many seniors are even in the draft that are expected to get drafted? Off the top, I can only think of a few like DJ White, Shan Foster, and Demarcus Nelson (the cat from WKU might be a senior as well) with others like Singleterry possibly getting picked. So you're not exactly comparing Hibbert to a large number of players. And I think a guy like Rush, who is a junior, is just as NBA ready anyway as well as being a much better pick. Granted, I don't know about the Wizards' specific needs and am just comparing how I rank the players, and in that regard, I don't think it's even close.

And Hibbert's strong suit isn't rebounding. It's actually a weakness for him considering his size, and I have doubts as to if you'll ever be able to count on him just for those 8+ boards per game, which I see as being closer to his ceiling than his floor. As for your other comment on attacking the glass on offense, perhaps he's a bit better rebounding on the offensive end, but he is nowhere near the level of a Brook Lopez in that regard, and I may give Robin the nod here as well though at least Hibbert does have a decent touch around the rim.

If Arthur falls to the Wizards, which a previous poster mentioned and some mocks indicate might happen, he'd be a great pick up for a down-low scoring option.

Georgetown plays at a VERY slow pace. Hibberts numbers would look a lot better if h was even on a moderate paced team. He's an excellent rebounder if you adjust his stats by pace. He is going to be a good player for a half court team.

[skinfan2k]

Utah is the only fit for Hibbert

[The Villi Phanatic]

Georgetown plays at a VERY slow pace. Hibberts numbers would look a lot better if h was even on a moderate paced team. He's an excellent rebounder if you adjust his stats by pace. He is going to be a good player for a half court team.

I don't think he's an excellent rebounder no matter how you slice it. Summers played on that same slow-paced offense and averaged only 1 less rebound per game this season with the minutes played being about the same between him and Hibbert. And the pace being slow benefits Hibbert to a degree as he struggles somewhat getting up and down the floor so at least he has time to get in position with Georgetown's tempo.

I checked some games on Georgetown's schedule when they were playing opponents with good big men, and it doesn't look that favorable for Hibbert. He got out-rebounded 19-16 by Blair of Pitt over 2 games, 8-3 by Harangody, and 13-6 by Dorsey. He did surprisingly top Thabeet 8-2, but I think that was probably more of an aberration and unfortunately, the Hoyas only played UConn once this year so who knows.

The one thing I'll concede about Hibbert is that I was certainly higher on him after the 06-07 season than I am now after this past season. So I recognize that I may be swinging too far in the opposite direction in gauging him this year. I certainly don't think it would be an indefensible pick by any means to take him at a pick like the Wizards at 18 (depending on who else is available). And it may very well end up being about where I would slot him when balancing out how I thought of him last year with how I view him this year, even with putting more weight into accounting for his more recent production this past season. I think I probably would have had him near the bottom of the top 10 if he came out last year from what I remember.

[KDawg]

I'm interested to see who we (Boston) takes at #30. It'll be interesting to say the least. I'm thinking either a center or 2 or 3 to replace Posey (I don't think he resigns, although I'd be delighted to see otherwise).