Albert Haynesworth: Should we look at him?

[Morneblade]

On the plus side, he's still pretty young (27) and one of the best, if not the best DT's playing right now. He brings a serious mean streak with him and is one of the few DT's I've seen in some time that can totally change the game. He is very tought to move out, but has the burst to get penatration and get to the QB. He's also a Vol alum. :D

On the negative side, is his asking price. He wants to be paid like the best DT in the league and just turned down 40 million for 4 years, but less than half was guarenteed and that seemed to be the sticking point.

Should we take a serious look at him?

[F Landry]

Take a look at him?

Is he even a Free Agent?

Or is he a RFA?

[dfitzo53]

I would take a look at him but I can't see because he stepped on my face.

[COOLhandsCOOLEY]

I wouldn't be the least bit opposed to the idea, but don't think we have anywhere near the cap room to bring him in. He'd bring some new fire to the dalass rivalry too.

[Morneblade]

He's listed as a UFA.

http://www.theredzone.org/2008/freeagents/showposition.asp?Position=DT

[Drunken Master III]

Doesn't he have the franchise tag for the Titans?

[jweisk1]

I would take a look at him but I can't see because he stepped on my face.

:laugh: :laugh:


Is he a FA??

[ucfSKINS]

I thought they franchised him this year? Guess I'm wrong.

But we all know he hates the pukes, so I'm in :D.

Seriously though, no cap room, so it won't happen.

Plus we need depth at CB and LB, not particulary DT.

[Morneblade]

Doesn't he have the franchise tag for the Titans?

I think you're right about that. But he they were unable to come to a deal and they missed the deadline on a contract.

[JurgyFan]

I would take a look at him but I can't see because he stepped on my face.

That's some funny shizzit, man.
:laugh:

[StillUnknown]

if we had the cap room, i'd definitely look into it. that guy is a dominant force, plain and simple

[BG]

He is franchised and the Titans will not let him go without a first rounder and more.

[Morneblade]

I thought they franchised him this year? Guess I'm wrong.

But we all know he hates the pukes, so I'm in :D.

Seriously though, no cap room, so it won't happen.

Plus we need depth at CB and LB, not particulary DT.

We need a starter at DE as well, but Albert should be dominant and increase how effective both our secondary and linebackers would be. He could make us the best defense in the NFL.

Cap room would be a problem, but after seeing 50 "Farve Threads" (who is going to make MORE this year and Hanyesworth) over the last week, why not?

[Morneblade]

He is franchised and the Titans will not let him go without a first rounder and more.

But do you think he would be worth it?

[cmorina69]

We should find a way to get it done, hes a great player him and monty would be great. But we also have NEEDS at cb and lb, so i dont see it happening.

[2006Skins]

But do you think he would be worth it?

With the need of depth and youth in a lot of key areas, it would be very tough to justify trading more than a 1st rounder for him.

I definitely wouldn't be opposed to trade a 1st rounder and Montgomery or something like that... But it's hard to trade multiple picks, especially when one of them is a 1st rounder.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

We should find a way to get it done, hes a great player him and monty would be great. But we also have NEEDS at cb and lb, so i dont see it happening.

We do have needs, but absolutely need a force in the middle. We have needed it for years......

[Pedro]

With the need of depth and youth in a lot of key areas, it would be very tough to justify trading more than a 1st rounder for him.

I definitely wouldn't be opposed to trade a 1st rounder and Montgomery or something like that... But it's hard to trade multiple picks, especially when one of them is a 1st rounder.

What?

Have you watched any of the games Montgomery has played in? If we can bring in Haynesworth I'm all for it. But Monty stays a Redskin or it's all for nought.

He is that good!

[BigRedskinDaddy]

I don't think he's worth what it would cost us to get him. C. Griff is old, but he's still got some gas in the tank, and Anthony Montgomery is developing into every bit the stud that AH is. D-line is not one of the concerns or problem areas that we need to address through FA right now IMO.

EDIT: Pedro, didn't see your post when I dropped mine in. I could not agree more, brother. AM is a force, pure and simple. He's younger, as big and probably quicker than Haynesworth, so we can't let him get away.

[ZRagone]

He wants to be paid like the best DT in the league and just turned down 40 million for 4 years, but less than half was guarenteed and that seemed to be the sticking point.

Absolutely not, due to the above point. The guy for the most part was lack luster and just decent up until the past year. Big surprise, going into a contract year he explodes and performs amazingly and was said to be in the best shape he's been in while playing in the NFL.

Of course he wants guarenteed money. Becuase then his motivation can go back to crap. He'd be a waste of a hiring that we'd be lamenting by end of the year.

[DieselPwr44]

He had his best season career-wise last year but it was also the last year in his contract.

We've been down this road before: Dana Stubblefield.

No thanks.

[Pedro]

But to the OP I say yes.

We should look at it and look hard. Montgomery and Haynesworth in the middle would be the best DT tandem in the NFL. I would expect Carter to get 15 sacks with this duo starting at DT. Fletcher plays behind them and our outside LBers start outside and stay there, including eyes.

Haynesworth is the player/position that can spark the rest of the team. Saying that as a draft lines first person I'm quite happy with what we have on both lines right now, but I don't expect us to win right now either...

[2006Skins]

I don't think he's worth what it would cost us to get him. C. Griff is old, but he's still got some gas in the tank, and Anthony Montgomery is developing into every bit the stud that AH is. D-line is not one of the concerns or problem areas that we need to address through FA right now IMO.

EDIT: Pedro, didn't see your post when I dropped mine in. I could not agree more, brother. AM is a force, pure and simple. He's younger, as big and probably quicker than Haynesworth, so we can't let him get away.


What?

Have you watched any of the games Montgomery has played in? If we can bring in Haynesworth I'm all for it. But Monty stays a Redskin or it's all for nought.

He is that good!

I knew I would get lynched for adding Monty. But Monty is nowhere near the stud that Haynseworth is. I’m saying that to make a deal work, we would have to trade at least a first rounder and a young prospect like Monty or Gholston. I wouldn’t exactly be opposed to making it happen, but I don’t think it will.

[Morneblade]

I don't think he's worth what it would cost us to get him. C. Griff is old, but he's still got some gas in the tank, and Anthony Montgomery is developing into every bit the stud that AH is. D-line is not one of the concerns or problem areas that we need to address through FA right now IMO.

EDIT: Pedro, didn't see your post when I dropped mine in. I could not agree more, brother. AM is a force, pure and simple. He's younger, as big and probably quicker than Haynesworth, so we can't let him get away.

Im gonna have to call you on the last part. Monty is about the same size (6'5, 315), but not nearly as quick as Haynesworth (6'6, 320).

[Playsmart30]

:laugh: :laugh:


Is he a FA??

He will be FA next year.

[fuadsaif123]

he a doubled-swored weapon: great pass-rusher and run stuffer

[Morneblade]

Absolutely not, due to the above point. The guy for the most part was lack luster and just decent up until the past year. Big surprise, going into a contract year he explodes and performs amazingly and was said to be in the best shape he's been in while playing in the NFL.

Of course he wants guarenteed money. Becuase then his motivation can go back to crap. He'd be a waste of a hiring that we'd be lamenting by end of the year.


I just went over his career stats, and last year wasnt even his best season. He had more tackles in 05', and he's been getting better just about every year. He is supposedly in better shape this year than he was last year. Instead of the "keg" he's carried around since high school, he's closer to a six pack.

The big thing is how much would we have to give up to get him? Honestly, probably too much. As much as I would like to have him, giving away a #1 and probably someone like Monty would be too much for me.

[fuadsaif123]

just imagine him and montgomery lining up with carter on the end


QB's and OFFENSES IN GENERAL WATCH OUT!!!

[Pedro]

EDIT: Pedro, didn't see your post when I dropped mine in. I could not agree more, brother. AM is a force, pure and simple. He's younger, as big and probably quicker than Haynesworth, so we can't let him get away.

And he will be better this season. Put him next to Haynesworth and who is going to be double teamed? Certainly not Andre Carter and there won't be much stepping into the pocket to escape him either.

Whatever we do we need to keep room to resign Montgomery because he is the real deal. In 20 years time we will be talking about him. He IS that good. If Greg Blache does nothing else he will always be remembered by myself for Montgomery.

Doubters:
As with anything I say Montycentric. Bookmark this post and tell me I'm wrong ;)

Always nice to see another Montgomery realist :cheers:

[elkabong82]

We couldn't afford him. If we could I'd be all for it though.

[Shilsu]

I don't really know much about him aside from him stepping on someone's face, but if he's really as good as some of the posters in this thread make him out to be, and his stomping incident was just a fluke and not a show of his actual character... Then yeah... But not for a first rounder... Maybe for Shawn Springs or something like that - someone who has value but has no future with the Redskins.

[BigRedskinDaddy]

Im gonna have to call you on the last part. Monty is about the same size (6'5, 315), but not nearly as quick as Haynesworth (6'6, 320).

Ok, Morneblade, perhaps not, but I still say it would cost too much for us to bring him in. Montgomery may never be as disruptive and able to push the pocket on passing downs as well as Haynesworth, but I believe as he progresses his talent will force teams to scheme for him in the same way they now do with AH. Give him a year or two and his stats will bear this out.

It would certainly be cool to have them both in there, however. They would rival the Vikings tandem in sheer immovability for damn sure.

[Pedro]

I knew I would get lynched for adding Monty. But Monty is nowhere near the stud that Haynseworth is. I’m saying that to make a deal work, we would have to trade at least a first rounder and a young prospect like Monty or Gholston. I wouldn’t exactly be opposed to making it happen, but I don’t think it will.

Nowhere near? When I was watching games last season there were times when Montgomery only had a 1 on 1. Never lasted more than a play at a time though 'cos he flat out manhandled the guy assigned him. What I also saw, and have come to expect as routine, is that Monty will stand up 2 OL plus tackle anything running with the ball if it's within reach. You don't give up kids that good. Ever. Whilst he doesn't play a highlight reel position as a 2 Gapper he is the real deal. Watch him this season and tell me I'm wrong :silly:


I'm happy to accede he isn't as good as Haynesworth right now. He will be as good if not better in a year or two. His new contract is going to be big.

What Haynesworth brings should not be centered on the DT position. With what we have plus Haynesworth Carter won't be double teamed. And add 5 sacks from the DTs.

[Piledriven]

On the plus side, he's still pretty young (27) and one of the best, if not the best DT's playing right now. He brings a serious mean streak with him and is one of the few DT's I've seen in some time that can totally change the game. He is very tought to move out, but has the burst to get penatration and get to the QB. He's also a Vol alum. :D

On the negative side, is his asking price. He wants to be paid like the best DT in the league and just turned down 40 million for 4 years, but less than half was guarenteed and that seemed to be the sticking point.

Should we take a serious look at him?


We should not look at him for the price that he is asking... However if he were to become a reasonable price, I would go after him. I know that he has had problems in the past as being a thug and all...but I actually think we need a guy like that on this team (sort of like Dexter Manley was for us way back). I think we need a guy who is not your typical "character guy"... I believe that it would bring some sort of intimidation to the opposing offenses. :2cents:

[Peregrine]

I would take a look at him but I can't see because he stepped on my face.

lol, well done.

[Pedro]

They would rival the Vikings tandem in sheer immovability for damn sure.

Williams? Who?

And the extra meaning must mean it's going to happen... lmao.

In all seriousness I would love to see Montgomery and Haynesworth battle it out on the field for top dog DT bragging rights. If we do sign Haynesworth Carter is going to Hawaii.

[pjfootballer]

He may be more of a guy we go after next year if Griff doesn't come back. Right now, it would costs us 2 #1's. If he signs his one year tender with the Titans, he may go UFA next year without the tag. I don't think we'd have the cap room to acquire him anyway without giving up someone like Griffin.

[Jimbo]

Unless we give up two first round picks (or something the Titans will accept in lieu of them) he will have to play for his one year tender with the Titans this year. He will then become a FA again next year. The Titans could franchise him again but if he has another year like last year, somebody will part with two firsts or enough to convince the Titans to let him go. Next year, he would likely cost even more if he plays at the same level. :(

[BigRedskinDaddy]

Williams? Who?

And the extra meaning must mean it's going to happen... lmao.

In all seriousness I would love to see Montgomery and Haynesworth battle it out on the field for top dog DT bragging rights. If we do sign Haynesworth Carter is going to Hawaii.

??

Lost me brother.

I was referring to Kevin and Pat Williams, who anchored the Vikes d-line last year, resulting in an NFL low 74.1 rushing yds/gm and the second best avg/att at 3.1 per carry. I'd say they were a pretty effective pair of DT's -
Not sure about the extra meaning you alluded to however.

[BoRnAndRaiSedSkinsFan]

He definately is a beast, but not worth what it would cost us. I would rather draft some young guys next year for the DL help. I think our young DTs have a lot of potential as wel and do a good job of stuffing the run. I'd rather go after Asomugha from the Raiders next offseason. I don't think Springs will come back, plus he's old. It's easier to draft a DT for immediate help rather than CB.

[Oldskool]

He definately is a beast, but not worth what it would cost us. I would rather draft some young guys next year for the DL help. I think our young DTs have a lot of potential as wel and do a good job of stuffing the run. I'd rather go after Asomugha from the Raiders next offseason. I don't think Springs will come back, plus he's old. It's easier to draft a DT for immediate help rather than CB.


First off, dude your sig is huge. I'd scale it to regulation before the mods see it.

Second, Haynesworth is more trouble than the man is worth. Our DT's are OK but we'll be drafting D-line in the next few years anyhow.

[2006Skins]

First off, dude your sig is huge. I'd scale it to regulation before the mods see it.

Second, Haynesworth is more trouble than the man is worth. Our DT's are OK but we'll be drafting D-line in the next few years anyhow.

That's what we've said the last 5 years. :laugh:

I think the skins will wait for him to hit the FA market after this season and make a run for him there.

[Riggo-toni]

Dana Stubblefield part deux... :doh:

[Morneblade]

That's what we've said the last 5 years. :laugh:

I think the skins will wait for him to hit the FA market after this season and make a run for him there.

Yeah, about drafting a DL. I'll believe it when I see it. And 7th rounders that were longshots to be UFA's dont count. When we start investing real draft picks in DT's and De's I'll believe it.

[mudhog]

First off, dude your sig is huge. I'd scale it to regulation before the mods see it.

Second, Haynesworth is more trouble than the man is worth. Our DT's are OK but we'll be drafting D-line in the next few years anyhow.

Speaking of sigs Oldskool, your new one is killing me. No offense, but the blinking reminds me of the scene in the 1960's movie 'Andromeda Strain' where the lady has epileptic seizures triggered by the blinking red light. I have to hide the pick in order to read your post or risk rolling on the floor and foaming at the mouth for five minutes.:D

[Flycoach]

I didn't know that he was available. He's an UFA? If so, I say take a look. But if he's going to cost us picks, then no.

[Da_Truth]

I wish we could get him. Dude is a beast.

[Wyvern]

Reluctantly, the Skins will have to pass on Haynesworth. They have too many questions at CB and LB; I suspect the FO is planning to use what's left of this season's salary cap space looking at the training camp waiver-wire for 'cap-cut' veterans with decent talent. If they spend it all now on Haynesworth now, then they won't have anything left.

Also, while Haynesworth is a dominant player, the Skins' salary cap probably couldn't accomodate a $40 million contract, in the next couple of years. There are likely going to be some big cap hits, when high-salaried players like Springs have to be released.

Also, considering how the crop of D-line players is supposed to be very good for the 2009 draft, I suspect the Skins' FO wouldn't want to part with their first-rounder in 2009 (and 2010) for Haynesworth this year, along with having to pay him $40 million.

[BigMike619]

of course it would be nice to have him, but we cant afford him and we need help at other places more.

[Fan since a Fetus]

It would be great to have him, however, we don't need him for a first round pick. Even though he steps on the faces of Cowboys.

It would be awesome to see him lined up against Gurode twice a year. Gurode would probably mis-snap even more balls to little Tony.

[Mackdaddydean]

I would take a look at him but I can't see because he stepped on my face.


:laugh:Easily the funniest thing I've seen on here in a year.

The second funniest is the armchair GMs all over this board stating with certainty why we will not/will pick him up.

[kevin11]

He had his best season career-wise last year but it was also the last year in his contract.

We've been down this road before: Dana Stubblefield.

No thanks.Yes, Listen to Diesel.

He was just playing at his best level for a nice contract. If we get him, he will start playing at a bust. He only had 1 good year and he would demand a huge contract...NO

[DallasSucks19922010]

hes a good guy he stepped on that cowboys face. im pretty sure u have to trade two 1st rounders for a guy with the franchise tag

[DCchillin89]

The guy had a huge year in a contract year...where was his dominance the previous 3 or 4 years. He's always reportedly had a bad work ethic and is unmotivated. Let some other team make that mistake in taking on a huge salary.

[fnkdctr(007)]

the cowboys would love that

and stepping on faces

Seriously who does that

[darrelgreenie]

Should we take a serious look at him?

I can't believe i agree w/ Morneblade. But Haynesworth is an absolute monster DT. It would be high fives and back slaps all around if we signed him next year.:cheers:

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Why are we talking about a guy who is not available? He was franchised by the Titans.

[Morneblade]

The guy had a huge year in a contract year...where was his dominance the previous 3 or 4 years. He's always reportedly had a bad work ethic and is unmotivated. Let some other team make that mistake in taking on a huge salary.

Actually, his 05 year was very good, better in terms of tackles than even last year. 52 tackles for a DT is VERY imperssive. In 06 he missed some games and his production was down, but about on the same pace. In all honestly, I think the the thing with the cowboys made people take notice of him and people started to see what kind of a player he really was. Before that, he was some DT that played on a pretty ordinary team and didnt get much press. If you look at his stats for the last 5 years, they get better every season.

[cphil006]

He may not have a choice if he is a FA... I say make an offer we can afford and he will either take it or we'll stick with the guys we have.

[Pedro]

??

Lost me brother.

I was referring to Kevin and Pat Williams...

I know you were referring to those two. I was adding the 'other Williams' that we let go this off season to make the trio because if we did get Haynesworth (though we won't IMO) our DL would be servicable/stud/stud/stud and our D would be good. That DL would be too good for it to be anything else hence the (Gregg) Williams who? would be valid.

The cost is too high right now though IMO. Probably will stay too high as well given we need a top end LB and CB from next year's draft now plus whatever needs show themselves this season.

[Hunter_R]

Doesn't losing Daniels affect the DTs? They won't have the anchor standing next to them.

[BigRedskinDaddy]

Bump. Can you imagine if somehow, someway we could p/u this guy now to go with Carter, Taylor, Montgomery etc? OH MY...
That's a solid D-line right there boy.
:2cents:

[3 Rings]

Bump. Can you imagine if somehow, someway we could p/u this guy now to go with Carter, Taylor, Montgomery etc? OH MY...
That's a solid D-line right there boy.
:2cents:

It would be a great d-line but they would have to SERIOUSLY re-work JT's deal and I don't think that's in the cards. I think I read that his cap number this year is 8.1 and we had only 9 mil in cap room.

Would be nice though to score Haynesworth too... :silly:

[kingchris626]

I like him. He would make our D line better than it's already gonna be now with Taylor, Carter, and Griffin

[Morneblade]

It would be the best DL in football, by far. But There is no way it's going to happen now. JT contract is large and is going to eat up the cap space we had. but I will say this, JT is a major upgrade and now we have a very intimidating DL. I would say on paper it's top 5 right now.