Texas executes Mexican national who was denied consul visit

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/08/texas-executes-mexican-nationa.html


Over the objections of the world court, the Bush administration, and death-penalty opponents everywhere, the state of Texas executed convicted rapist and murderer José Medellín Tuesday night. Here's the story from The New York Times.

The case drew international attention from critics of the Texas criminal justice system because Medellín, a Mexican national, was not allowed to talk to a consul after his arrest. A 1963 treaty requires foreigners accused of crimes to be given that opportunity.

Medellín was one of six Houston gang members who brutally raped and strangled two girls, Elizabeth Pena, 16, and Jennifer Ertman, 14, as they walked home on June 24, 1993. According to testimony, Medellín said the girls had to die so there would be no witnesses to the gang-rape.

He was 18 at the time of the crime, and 33 when he was put to death.

DISCUSS! :cheers:

[BALLz]

He's dead, which is what he should be, I don't see the problem.

[Major Harris]

i'd like to see them follow every rule so that their correct decision to execute a sick ****stain couldn't be questioned in any way.

[BALLz]

I think the the US government should hire hitmen to take the ****ers out before they even get to jail. Go ahead and pay them with tax money, Just make sure it's less then it would cost to keep them alive in prison for 20 years.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH!!!!!

My only complaint is that it took 15 years to execute this VIOLENT CRIMINAL.

[Chief skin]

He did not mention he was a mexican national until after his trial and conviction. GO TO THE HELL SCUM

[HogNose]

This sick mother****er should have been forced to drink gasoline and then have it finished it off with a lit match. Though that wouldn't have been a harsh enough punishment for this scumbag to make up for what he and the other animals did to those two girls.

http://www.murdervictims.com/voices/jeneliz.html

[Mongo2365]

Was he here illegally? He should've stayed in Mexico and then those poor girls would still be alive and we wouldn't have wasted taxpayer's money keeping this tool alive for 15 years.

[Spaceman Spiff]

This sick mother****er should have been forced to drink gasoline and then have it finished it off with a lit match. Though that wouldn't have been a harsh enough punishment for this scumbag to make up for what he and the other animals did to those two girls.

http://www.murdervictims.com/voices/jeneliz.html

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

[pjfootballer]

Wow, reading the story of the terrible things those girls went through makes you lose all faith in humanity. That was heart wrenching. I just don't understand why one human being wants to do things like that to another human being.

[SkinsBry]

I find it interesting that Bush was in this guys corner. When he was govenor of Texas, there was a Canadian executed in Texas. Before the execution, the Canadian government and I believe the U.S. government on Canada's behalf requested a stay of exucution. Bush's response was, "If you don't want your Canadian citizens executed in Texas, they shouldn't murder in Texas." He then had the guy killed.

[Baculus]

Yeah, these guys were real animals. How could someone do something like that?

They deserved a worse death.

[SkinsOrlando]

Ship his dead ass back to Mexcio now, we don't want this trash buried in US soil.

[SkinsD]

It was wrong, we had an agreement which we should have upheld. Regardless it would not have made a difference. The same result would have occurred.

Real sad what happened to those poor girls. I am a staunch opponent to the death penalty but I have to admit that this guy had it coming.

[Predicto]

Guy was a scumbag.

We also should follow our treaty obligations.

[Midnight Judges]

Agree with Dubya. Uphold our treaty obligations and then kill this POS.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

We also should follow our treaty obligations.

I'm sorry but there is no other country on the planet that should be telling us what to do with criminals caught in our country. Neither should the Federal Government be telling the states how to punish the criminals convicted of state offenses.

If you're a foreigner and you don't want to run the risk of being arrested, jailed, convicted and punished for crimes you commit here, DON'T COME HERE!!!!

[Midnight Judges]

I'm sorry but there is no other country on the planet that should be telling us what to do with criminals caught in our country. Neither should the Federal Government be telling the states how to punish the criminals convicted of state offenses.

If you're a foreigner and you don't want to run the risk of being arrested, jailed, convicted and punished for crimes you commit here, DON'T COME HERE!!!!

They aren't telling us what to do if we agreed to it.

[Thiebear]

They aren't telling us what to do if we agreed to it.

What the hell? I agree.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

They aren't telling us what to do if we agreed to it.

Which is exactly why we shouldn't be entering into these agreements. They tie our hands and do nothing positive for US.

[SUSkinsFan]

Which is exactly why we shouldn't be entering into these agreements. They tie our hands and do nothing positive for US.But they do. Those treaties guarantee the same protections for Americans traveling overseas.

[Predicto]

Which is exactly why we shouldn't be entering into these agreements. They tie our hands and do nothing positive for US.

Bull. These agreements keep other countries from imprisoning or executing American citizens without ...

oh forget it. I know what you are going to say. "No honest American should be going outside our borders..." :laugh:

[Larry]

He did not mention he was a mexican national until after his trial and conviction. GO TO THE HELL SCUM

You mean, the cops not only didn't identify the guy when they arrested him, but all the way through the trial, they still didn't know who he was?

[SkinsOrlando]

He'd been in the states when since he was 6, and I believe was here during Reagans Amnesty, so therefore was he still a Mexican national??

[terpskins10]

While I agree that this guy was scum and should have been killed no matter what, we definitely have to follow the freedoms and privileges outlined in our treaties, even to someone like this.

The minute we deny anyone these privileges is the minute we lose them for ourselves. If we expect to have these same rights extended to us, we have to extend them as well. He was going to die anyway, it isn't like talking to consul would have changed that. It's just the principle of equal protection under law.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

The man deserved what he got, but we have to follow our treaties. Imagine the uproar if an American was executed overseas under the same circumstances (no consul).

[Oldskool]

I think the issue here revolves around when this individual came into the country, and whether or not he was under an amnesty program.

If he was an undocumented alien, yes he should have had a token visit with the Consul.

[Destino]

Was the guy bad and deserving of his fate? Yes.

...but Texas just gave other nations justification to refuse US citizens a meeting with US consul. Nice job Texas.

[twa]

While I agree that this guy was scum and should have been killed no matter what, we definitely have to follow the freedoms and privileges outlined in our treaties, even to someone like this.

The minute we deny anyone these privileges is the minute we lose them for ourselves. If we expect to have these same rights extended to us, we have to extend them as well. He was going to die anyway, it isn't like talking to consul would have changed that. It's just the principle of equal protection under law.

Didn't SCOTUS rule the treaty is not binding on Texas,and Bush made every effort to abide by the treaty?

The title is wrong since he was NOT denied access, the ignorant mudering pissant simply did not request it, :rolleyes: nor was the fact he was a Mexican national known until later.

The Mexican consul IS welcome to his remains :cheers:

[SUSkinsFan]

Didn't SCOTUS rule the treaty is not binding on Texas,and Bush made every effort to abide by the treaty?I remember Bush made an argument back when he was Governor that Texas wasn't bound to to treaties since Texas didn't sign them. But I don't remember anything about a SCOTUS decision.

[Larry]

Didn't SCOTUS rule the treaty is not binding on Texas,and Bush made every effort to abide by the treaty?

There was a thread about it when they ruled. I think that at least part of their ruling was that most of the defendants who were in the appeal never requested access to the consul. (Although I observed at the time that "most" does not equal "all".)

But I think that the crux of the SC ruling was that the people appealing couldn't prove that if they had been granted consular access, that anything would have been different. (In short, the court ruled that denying then access to consul was illegal, but that the plaintiffs weren't damaged.)

(One of the things I find really ironic about this issue is that Governor W actually made an argument in court, written by Good Buddy Gonzales, that US Treaties don't apply to the State of Texas, because Texas didn't sign the Treaty.)

[Mass_SkinsFan]

But they do. Those treaties guarantee the same protections for Americans traveling overseas.

Why are these Americans outside the US to begin with? If I were to go to some thirs-world country I wouldn't expect to be treated any different than the people living there.

Unfortunately we're too stupid to understand that. I'll never forget the American kid who everyone whined when the Phillipines wanted to cane him for vandalism. He did the crime, he should pay the price for it. Whatever that happens to be in that particular country. If you don't like that idea.... STAY HOME.


Bull. These agreements keep other countries from imprisoning or executing American citizens without ...

oh forget it. I know what you are going to say. "No honest American should be going outside our borders..." :laugh:

See, you had the intelligence and experience to comprehend the answer even before you finished typing your question/comment. brikem could learn something from you, Predicto.

[SUSkinsFan]

See, you had the intelligence and experience to comprehend the answer even before you finished typing your question/comment. brikem could learn something from you, Predicto.I knew the answer. I just enjoy playing this game...

[Blondie]

http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/08/texas-executes-mexican-nationa.html



DISCUSS! :cheers:

Discuss?

Discuss what?

The fact that 6 men attacked two teens.....and did horrendous things to them..


WHY discuss that?

I can remember this trial. I remember the anguish and grief the families displayed. I remember how sickened the public was about this and the outcry for TEXAS JUSTICE.

There is nothing to discuss.

His sorry *** is dead.

Got another coming up Thursday night.



Finally.

[twa]

I remember Bush made an argument back when he was Governor that Texas wasn't bound to to treaties since Texas didn't sign them. But I don't remember anything about a SCOTUS decision.


Maybe this will help refresh some memories.

http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=Medellin_v._Texas

http://southcarolinaappellatelaw.blogspot.com/2008/03/scotus-decides-medellin-checks.html

Blondie....we got our Express lane open again....finally. :cheers:

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

Discuss?

Discuss what?


Sorry, I've just always wanted to put "Discuss" at the end of an article

[SUSkinsFan]

Got another coming up Thursday night.Doesn't TX have its own cable channel where you can watch executions live....kinda like Fear Factor on steroids?:D

[Blondie]

Sorry, I've just always wanted to put "Discuss" at the end of an article


I have always wondered why people put that word there.

Seems like it is evident when a post is made that it is there to discuss.

I dont think anyone wants to put a post up and NO ONE discuss it.

Guess that is just my thinking though.

[19Skins72]

Discuss?

Discuss what?

The fact that 6 men attacked two teens.....and did horrendous things to them..

WHY discuss that?

I can remember this trial. I remember the anguish and grief the families displayed. I remember how sickened the public was about this and the outcry for TEXAS JUSTICE.

There is nothing to discuss.

His sorry *** is dead.

Got another coming up Thursday night.

Finally.

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

[Major Harris]

Sorry, I've just always wanted to put "Discuss" at the end of an article
you have nothing to apologize for. discuss is what we do, and considering the responses, that's what's going on here. not sure what blondies point was.

[Blondie]

Maybe this will help refresh some memories.

http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=Medellin_v._Texas

http://southcarolinaappellatelaw.blogspot.com/2008/03/scotus-decides-medellin-checks.html

Blondie....we got our Express lane open again....finally. :cheers:


FINALLY!!

[Blondie]

you have nothing to apologize for. discuss is what we do, and considering the responses, that's what's going on here. not sure what blondies point was.


My point was not about the word "discuss" although I have always wondered why people put that word in. Seems to be evident that is what is suppose to happen.

This was very very sickening.

Whether he should have been executed is so stupid to me.

It just didnt come soon enough.

THAT is what I was talking about.

[Larry]

Maybe this will help refresh some memories.

http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=Medellin_v._Texas

http://southcarolinaappellatelaw.blogspot.com/2008/03/scotus-decides-medellin-checks.html

Blondie....we got our Express lane open again....finally. :cheers:

Aw, there you go, trying to bury us in facts and things.

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

you have nothing to apologize for. discuss is what we do, and considering the responses, that's what's going on here. not sure what blondies point was.

I think its because she doesnt like me.

[Symbol]

The state of Texas did the right thing, the U.S. backing up this scum bag is in the wrong. He left Mexico and entered this country illegally, at which time, if I remember correctly, he loses any diplomatic immunity. My next question is, what happens to a member of the U.S. in Mexico that does the same crime? Never gets to jail, the cops just kill them there.

[SUSkinsFan]

The state of Texas did the right thing, the U.S. backing up this scum bag is in the wrong. He left Mexico and entered this country illegally, at which time, if I remember correctly, he loses any diplomatic immunity. My next question is, what happens to a member of the U.S. in Mexico that does the same crime? Never gets to jail, the cops just kill them there.I guarantee you this guy didn't have diplomatic immunity...

[Predicto]

The state of Texas did the right thing, the U.S. backing up this scum bag is in the wrong. He left Mexico and entered this country illegally, at which time, if I remember correctly, he loses any diplomatic immunity. My next question is, what happens to a member of the U.S. in Mexico that does the same crime? Never gets to jail, the cops just kill them there.


Diplomatic immunity? :whoknows:

[Major Harris]

My point was not about the word "discuss" although I have always wondered why people put that word in. Seems to be evident that is what is suppose to happen.

This was very very sickening.

Whether he should have been executed is so stupid to me.

It just didnt come soon enough.

THAT is what I was talking about.
i got the rest of your post, and agree with you. i just didn't understand why you jumped on the discuss part.

[pjfootballer]

The other thing I hate is that anytime one of our citizens murders and flees to Mexico, they make us promise not to execute him/her if they extridite him/her back to the U.S. Uh, no. That is our U.S. Citizen. Hand them over and we'll do what the hell we want to them. Don't get in our way.

[Larry]

The other thing I hate is that anytime one of our citizens murders and flees to Mexico, they make us promise not to execute him/her if they extridite him/her back to the U.S. Uh, no. That is our U.S. Citizen. Hand them over and we'll do what the hell we want to them. Don't get in our way.

If a Russian/Chinese dissident flees to the US, should we send him back to a sentence of hard labor in Siberia for Life?

[Blondie]

I think its because she doesnt like me.


Awwww.

I didn't mean for you to think that way.

I guess it is a pet peeve.

Posters say "DISCUSS"

Well.......we do that ANYWAY so why does it need to be said.

Anyway....sorry......I didnt mean to take it out on you.

This trial was a very touchy subject and I wish they had a lottery on who could push the plunger!!

[SkinsFanAnt]

I think the the US government should hire hitmen to take the ****ers out before they even get to jail. Go ahead and pay them with tax money, Just make sure it's less then it would cost to keep them alive in prison for 20 years.

What the hell is wrong with you you Fascist pig. You've got to be kidding me...hire 'hitmen'...you mean Gestapo or SS. WTF...are so many of you this brainwashed?!

[wysknz1]

IF he would've spent life in a mexican jail then send him back. BUT they don't do life sentences.

[warpathRUskinsfan]

One of the basic foundations of the Constitution is that it is the supreme law of the land - any and all treaties signed by the U.S. must be constitutional, and if a treaty is unconstitutional it is void (otherwise the President could sign a treaty disbanding Congress).

That is why Texas told the President and the ICJ to butt out, and why the Supreme Court upheld it.

[Vicious]

Nasty crime, glad he's dead. I hope the other five are dead too.

[Clarkin09]

The saddest part is the other pukes that were 17 at the time get out of the death penalty!!!

How sad is the day that illegals and criminals have more rights than decent law abiding citizians. Yes lets forget what this man had done to 2 teenagers and make sure his rights are protected. This man... monster didnt care at the time what he did, he probably went to his death not caring why should we or any person with compashion and a hart care if he got his proper rights.

He didnt mention he was a mexican national he forfited that right. BURN IN H E L L!!

[twa]

Another one gone :cheers:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5931094.html
HUNTSVILLE — An illegal immigrant from Honduras who claimed his treaty rights were violated when he was arrested for a robbery-murder near Dallas was executed Thursday evening

[BlueTalon]

I have always wondered why people put that word there.

Seems like it is evident when a post is made that it is there to discuss.

I dont think anyone wants to put a post up and NO ONE discuss it.

Guess that is just my thinking though.

It's a cheap way of saying "I want there to be a discussion about this, but I don't have the guts to post the first opinion."

[royallypwned]

Pretty damn disgusting. If these people were thinking, they would have decided to commit crimes in a different state. They were just asking to get raped in the *******.

[pjfootballer]

If a Russian/Chinese dissident flees to the US, should we send him back to a sentence of hard labor in Siberia for Life?

Yes. If he committed a crime in Russia and their laws say they will sentence him to Siberia, who are we to make their rules? We stick our noses in everyone elses business too much.

[Sarge]

Hurry up and give the rest of them the needle before Mr "Citizen of the World" gets elected

[dcnativenerd]

Yes to the death of this sick bastard!
No to no council visit.

[Sarge]

Oh, and for those of you weeping for this prick and worrying about "what the world thinks of us", read here

I warn you, it's very strong. If you have a weak stomach..........

http://deathpenaltyyes.blogspot.com/2007/07/jennifer-ertman-and-elizabeth-pena-were.html

[Prosperity]

Who are you talking to? No one has displayed any sympathy for the guy.

[Larry]

Who are you talking to? No one has displayed any sympathy for the guy.

You've never observed Sarge arguing with nobody before?

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

Who are you talking to? No one has displayed any sympathy for the guy.

Ah, leave Sarge alone. He's that old guy at the party that everybody loves. :)

[Sarge]

Who are you talking to? No one has displayed any sympathy for the guy.


No, just people worrying about out treaty obligations

[Larry]

No, just people worrying about out treaty obligations

Then why didn't you say that?

[Riggo-toni]

Guy was a scumbag.
We also should follow our treaty obligations.

Sums it up right there. Should've let him see the consul, then electrocuted him twice so we could have a refried bean...