FSU Football Thread

[drehoyas36]

Figured I would get this started to see if there are other FSU fans on this board...what do you guys think about Ponder starting?...I'm happy as long as its not Weatherford. I hope D'Vo gets some PT also. Looking forward to seeing the Western Carolina game. I hope to see Surrency do something. FSU needs to get back on the map!

[Spartacus87]

Largest margin of victory in FSU history.

Between Preston Parker, Greg Carr, Bert Reed, Corey Surrency, Rod Owens, and Taiwan Easterling, I'm pretty sure we have the best WR corp in the ACC. Just ridiculous depth.

And now it's looking like we have two QBs between Ponder and Richardson that can actually get the ball to them, and both Ponder and Richardson are threats to run as well. Night and day between them and Drew Weatherford.

And Nigel Bradham is the truth, end of story. All the hype about him going back to spring workouts is understandable.

Yeah, yeah, I know, it was Western Carolina, big deal. But had we played this same team last year, we would've won something dumb like 28-10, and if it was two years ago, hell, that would've been like 24-17 or something equally ridiculous. But 69-0? The execution and play calling was miles beyond where it was at any point last year, and a lot of it points to the offense with getting rid of Weatherford at QB and Trickett starting to really get the o-line into a legitimate unit.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Largest margin of victory in FSU history.

Between Preston Parker, Greg Carr, Bert Reed, Corey Surrency, Rod Owens, and Taiwan Easterling, I'm pretty sure we have the best WR corp in the ACC. Just ridiculous depth.

And now it's looking like we have two QBs between Ponder and Richardson that can actually get the ball to them, and both Ponder and Richardson are threats to run as well. Night and day between them and Drew Weatherford.

And Nigel Bradham is the truth, end of story. All the hype about him going back to spring workouts is understandable.

Yeah, yeah, I know, it was Western Carolina, big deal. But had we played this same team last year, we would've won something dumb like 28-10, and if it was two years ago, hell, that would've been like 24-17 or something equally ridiculous. But 69-0? The execution and play calling was miles beyond where it was at any point last year, and a lot of it points to the offense with getting rid of Weatherford at QB and Trickett starting to really get the o-line into a legitimate unit.

69-0 is terrific, but it is very very hard to take much away from that game

Western Carolina was 1-10 last year in whatever D-2 conference they are in!

Nonetheless you all did what you were supposed to do which is dominate. More then I can say for us :doh:

[drehoyas36]

It was just Western Carolina...but like the poster said above...the past couple of years we haven't looked that good. This team has so much speed its ridiculous. I agree about the WR's. Nigel Bradham is a monster no doubt. Ponder and Richardson is a sweet 1-2 combo at QB, but Richardson is just a special talent. Can't wait till we play some real competition.

[Spartacus87]

69-0 is terrific, but it is very very hard to take much away from that game

Western Carolina was 1-10 last year in whatever D-2 conference they are in!

Nonetheless you all did what you were supposed to do which is dominate. More then I can say for us :doh: Yeah, I'm not about to start my claim for FSU in the National Title game, but we never put 69 on anyone like that. Ever. In the history of FSU football. We haven't pummeled somebody like that since the mid 90's. Hell we struggled against Troy just last year. With a lot of the very good recruits we've gotten the past couple years and the new coaching staff, the team was able to display an explosiveness and speed they haven't shown in a good while, and that's what was exciting.

Like I said, the only reason it's an interesting result against such a cupcake team is because sadly it would've been semi-competitive just a couple years ago, and just an average blowout last year, but now we actually completely dominated them in every facet of football. Good teams need to destroy the cupcakes.

We play another silly team in Chattanooga this Saturday, then we'll see where we're at against Wake Forest the following week.

Also, the remodeled Doak Campbell with the High Def 100 foot video screens and all the other technological improvement is amazing.

[Fletch_Lives59]

I hope to god I don't see Weatherford on the field this season....Did EJ get any playing time last night????

[Spartacus87]

I hope to god I don't see Weatherford on the field this season....Did EJ get any playing time last night???? Nah...Ponder played the first half and into the 2nd half, and when he threw the TD pass to Greg Carr to put us up 35-0 at the very beginning of the 3rd quarter, they took him out and let D'Vo do his thing for most of the rest of the game. Weatherford didn't see any action until about 5 minutes left in the game or so.

Manuel is redshirting this year, the only action he saw was during pregame warm ups.

[Spartacus87]

Great article on Corey Surrency from the Orlando Sentinel FSU blog...great blog by the way for random news tidbits...Surrency's going to be a beast this year, I really, really hope he stays another season...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2008/09/through-the-tun.html#more

Through the tunnel: More of the Corey Surrency story
posted by Andrew Carter on Sep 7, 2008 6:54:27 PM

TALLAHASSEE — Jail changed Corey Surrency. He wouldn’t say on Sunday afternoon what had landed him there, only that he’d violated his probation and that he’d spent 90 days locked inside the Metro West Detention Center in Miami-Dade County.

This was four years ago, Surrency said, though he admitted the some of the details, like the dates, aren’t all clear. What is, though, is that he might not be here, a junior wide receiver at Florida State, had it not been for those 90 days of lost freedom.
“When I was in there,” Surrency said, “the 90 days felt like 90 years.”
He remembers what the walls looked like, and the bars. He remembers what it felt like to talk to people who visited him, looking at them through the glass.

Surrency had been living wrong for a while, he said. Southridge High in Miami was only 200 steps away from the house where his mother raised eight children, but Surrency rarely went to school and dropped out during the ninth grade.

Football had always been a passion of Surrency’s, yet he didn’t even play during his limited time in high school, he said, because “that’s just how deep into the streets I was.”
And the streets were rough. Back in July, after he first arrived here, Surrency described his neighborhood. He said crack dealers lined the corners. He said people often used drugs. That was life.

Surrency dropped out of school, he said Sunday, because he needed to help support his family. He had no high school education, not much hope, but “I was like a grown man,” he said.
“I was pulling grown man’s duty as a young age … So I had to do what I had to do to keep clothes on my body,” Surrency said. “… When the situation got hard, I saw my mom needed help so I started doing stuff I had no business doing but it was paying the bills.”

Eventually, Surrency’s choices took away his freedom. While on the inside, he thought about his past and his future. He’d grown up playing football in the streets, neighborhood kids against neighborhood kids. Some of the best players he ever saw played in those streets. Many never had a chance to play for a high school, or for a college. They’d long given up on school.

“They took the wrong path, like me,” Surrency said. “My whole neighborhood is like that. Everybody could have been a superstar, could have been that Michael Jordan, Deion Sanders, whoever.”

The key word there, of course, is could. Could have been a little like Jordan, maybe. Could have been a little like Deion. Could have been a college football player.

People sometimes told Surrency he could be those things, he said.
“I just got tired of hearing that,” Surrency said. “And I just had to do something about it and God blessed me with FCA camp.”

The “FCA camp,” as Surrency described, served as his second chance. He’d already obtained his G.E.D., but the camp offered an opportunity in football. It was run by a man named David. Surrency calls him “my mentor.”
“If it wasn’t for this dude, man, I wouldn’t be here,” Surrency said.
David, who worked with the Fellowship of Christian Athletes Camp, helped to steer Surrency’s life around. Before David, Surrency could have been destined for prison, maybe worse. After David, he was destined to become a college football player, maybe one in the NFL.

Along with that football camp, Surrency also played in a flag football league, and an organized semi-pro tackle league in South Florida. David guided Surrency to El Camino Community College in California, where he blossomed into one of the top junior college prospects in the country.

Along the way, Surrency gave up his old life. He cut ties with old friends. He avoided the old neighborhood. Soon, he had his choice of attending just about any college he wanted. He told his mom the news back home, and she couldn’t believe it.

Yet Surrency’s odyssey wasn’t over. Far from it. While in California, his mother was diagnosed with cancer. She died in July, and her funeral, on a Saturday, was two days before Surrency arrived in Tallahassee for good.

Then, not long ago, came this bit of news: Because of a little-known NCAA rule, Surrency’s eligibility might have expired before he ever had a chance to play his first game with the Seminoles. The rule, No. 14.2.3.5, is titled “Participation After 21st Birthday,” and it says that any “participation as an individual or a team representative in organized sports competition by a student during each 12-month period after the student’s 21st birthday and prior to initial full-time enrollment in a collegiate institution shall count as one year of varsity competition in that sport. Participation in organized competition during time spent in the U.S. armed services shall be excepted.”

Surrency had played in that flag football league and that semi-pro league after turning 21. FSU offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher told Surrency, now 23, that he might not be able to play for the Seminoles, that his eligibility might be gone.

“When I got the bad news from Jimbo, I just busted out crying,” Surrency said. “… I felt like my whole life was going down the drain.”
The NCAA, though, decided not to penalize Surrency for his participation in flag football. The league in South Florida, though, has cost him a year of eligibility – at least for now. Florida State will likely lobby the NCAA to make an exception but, Surrency said, he’s only worried about the present.

Someone asked him on Sunday if he’s ever amazed by his own story, at all the obstacles he’s overcome to arrive where he is.
Surrency said: “When I think about stuff like that, it makes me cry sometimes. Because like, y’all just know half of the stuff that I’ve been through, y’all just know stuff that I tell y’all that I’ve been through … for me to get to this point is overwhelming, unbelievable.

“I can’t believe it. Because just like I was telling y’all … I was sitting in my backyard three years ago, doing stuff I had no business doing and hanging out with my friends and stuff, watching football games.”

Now he’s playing in football games.

Before his first one at FSU on Saturday night, Surrency put on his eye black. He wrote “R.I.P. Mom” under his eyes, and ran out of the tunnel and onto the field. Surrency said he was holding his breath “because I was just so pumped up,” and that Lawrence Dawsey, FSU’s receivers coach, had to tell him to breathe.

In the second quarter, Surrency caught his first touchdown pass.
“I got a chance to run through the tunnel, my dream come true,” Surrency said, “And I scored my first touchdown for my mom.”

[drehoyas36]

Wow...that is a great article. I heard the announcers comparing him to Randy Moss in the game. We have so much versatility with our offense. We got the Deep Ball/Jump threats at receiver(Carr, Surrency & Fortson), the YAC receivers (Speed Reed, Owens, Easterling, Parker)...The Pocket Passer & the Scrambler(CP, DVO) even though both can play either way...Our RBs have speed all across the board...Looking forward to the Wake game already!

[Spartacus87]

Wow...that is a great article. I heard the announcers comparing him to Randy Moss in the game. We have so much versatility with our offense. We got the Deep Ball/Jump threats at receiver(Carr, Surrency & Fortson), the YAC receivers (Speed Reed, Owens, Easterling, Parker)...The Pocket Passer & the Scrambler(CP, DVO) even though both can play either way...Our RBs have speed all across the board...Looking forward to the Wake game already! The o-line needs to do their job though...they looked far different than the sloppy o-line of much of last year, so I'm optimistic. IMO too much is made of them being so young- they're talented guys that Trickett has groomed thus far, while the older guys for the most part were part of the previous fat and lazy era of coaching, particularly for the o-line. I think it's addition by subtraction really, and I honestly believe we'll have one of the best lines in the conference by the end of the season.

D-line will look better by the Wake game as well once we get some guys back from suspension.

[Fletch_Lives59]

this is good to here....

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Florida State officials say the NCAA has found no new allegations of academic cheating by school athletes.

The university in February reported the results of its own investigation into the scandal involving 61 athletes, including about 30 football players.

The results of an NCAA investigation that followed were disclosed Friday in Florida State's response to the allegations.

The school already has imposed sanctions on itself, including the loss of scholarships and suspensions of athletes. The NCAA will hold a hearing Oct. 18 on whether Florida State will face additional penalties.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press



http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3583535

[Spartacus87]

Cliffnotes summary of the entire case, from the Warchant board:

These are FSU's recommendations to the NCAA in response to the Notice of Allegations, obviously the NCAA could agree or be stricter when October rolls around and they conduct the hearing before the Infractions Committee. Here is how the scholarship cuts were calculated: (# of student-athletes involved in case / # of student-athletes on the roster) x # of total NCAA scholarships X .30 = number of scholarships to cut

Scholarship cuts (FSU recommendations per academic year):

Football - 2 in 2008-2009, 3 in 2009-2010 -- (5 scholarships over two years)
Men's Basketball and Women's Basketball - 1 in 2008-2009
Baseball - .07 in 2008-2009
Golf - .14 in 2008-2009
Men's Swimming - .3 in 2008-2009
Women's Swimming - .92 in 2008-2009
Men's Track - .45 in 2008-2009
Women's Track - .65 in 2008-2009
Softball - .6 in 2008-2009, .05 in 2009-2010 A breakdown of the 61 players involved by sport:

Football - 25
Baseball - 1
Golf - 1
Softball - 4
Men's Swimming - 3
Women's Swimming - 7
Men's Track & Field - 7
Women's Track & Field - 9
Men's Basketball - 1
Women's Basketball - 3 The university believes they won't have to forfeit any games in any sports though some student-athletes competed in the fall, the university did not have sufficient information to withhold them because they were denying involvement.

Interesting line: FSU did withhold one football player from one game last season while the institution "assessed the information reported by the young man during his interview."

FSU acknowledges that three former academic support staff members gave improper assistance to student-athletes. There is no evidence that any coaches were involved in any aspect of the violations.

The members of the Committee of Infractions that FSU will appear before during their October 17th to 19th meeting includes: Mr. Paul T. Dee (AD at University of Miami), Mr. Brian P. Halloran (Halloran Law Office), Ms. Eileen K. Jennings (General Counsel, Central Michigan), Mr. Alfred J. Lechner Jr. (Lerner David), Mr. Jerry Parkinson (Dean, College of Law, University of Wyoming), Mr. Dennis E. Thomas (Commissioner Mid-Eastern Conference), Mr. David Price (Vice President of Enforcement), Mr. Shep Cooper (Director of the Committees of Infractions) Something new in the notice of allegations is Allegation No. 3, this is the NCAA's view:

It is alleged that during the 2006-07 academic year, then academic advisor Hilliard Goldsmith instructed then academic tutor XXX (Information redacted) to provide answers to exam questions for student-athletes who were enrolled in the XXX online course and taking exams for the course.

Goldsmith also instructed at least six student-athletes to be present in either the computer lab or tutorial rooms within the Athletics Academic Support Services (AASS) area at a time when he knew XXX would be present to provide student-athletes with correct answers for the XXX online exams. Goldsmith advised the student-athletes that the assistance XXX provided was permissable.

Summary: This is significant because it is the first time anyone has stated that an advisor instructed the tutor to provide answers.

Also, Goldsmith refused to cooperate with the inquiry and refused to be interviewed by FSU or the NCAA Staff. Thus far, he is the only person we know of who chose to not cooperate.

This is FSU's view on the same subject:

Florida State believes Goldsmith told the student-athletes to be present in either the computer lab or the tutorial rooms when he knew the tutor would be there. FSU believes Goldsmith knew the tutor would give the answers to the student-athletes. But FSU believes "insufficient information exists to determine that Goldsmith instructed the tutor to provide answers." When FSU interviewed the tutor, he said people above him told him to provide answers but he wouldn't name anybody. When the tutor spoke to the NCAA in January, without FSU present, he named Goldsmith as the person who asked him to provide answers.

61 students re-took the class in the Spring of 2008, two received the same or an improved grade while 59 received a lesser grade.

Some of the information concerning the sport programs that the NCAA requested included: average number of initial and total grant-in-aid that have been awarded during the past four academic years; the number of initial and total grant-in-aids in effect for the current academic year (or upcoming academic yearr if the regular academic year is not in session); and the number anticipated being in effect for the following academic year; The identities of all student-athlete anticipated to be on athletically related financial aid as of the first semester of the next academic year who will have four or five years of remaining eligibility, the average number of student-athletes during the previous four years who have redshirted and the number of current redshirts; the number of student-athlete in each of the previous four years who were awarded athletically related financial aid but who withdrew from the squad for reasons other than graduation or loss of eligibility; a list of the institution's win-loss record for the past four seasons and the dates and results of all postseason competition; the average number of official paid visits provided by the institution for the past four years to prospective student-athletes; a review of the institution's obligations (contractual or otherwise) concerning live telecasts of contests during the next three seasons, and more. The University has made significant changes in the AASS unit and in the administration of the athletics department. Listed are a few:

AASS Unit (Mark Meleney, Director - Removed as Director of AASS; Amy Lord, Associate Director - Left University in March 2008; Aaron Vause, Academic Advisor - Left University in November of 2007; Brenda Monk, Learning Specialist - Left University in July of 2007; Kylie Amato - Remains in AASS; Brien Schmauch - Left University in August 2007; Hillard Goldsmith - Left University in July 2007; Marlon Dechausey - Remains in AASS)

Athletics Department (Dave Hart, Director of Athletics - Left University in December 2007; Pam Overton, Assoc. Director of Athletics - Left University in October 2007; Charles Carr, Assoc. Director of Athletics - Left University in Summer of 2007; Bob Minnix, Assoc. Director of Athletics - Left University in May 2008; Kim Record, Assoc. Director of Athletics - Left University in December 2007) From FSU's Response to the Notice of Allegations: Regarding the allegation that Brenda Monk typed papers for athletes, no student-athletes said she wrote papers for them, only that she helped type them or made corrections.

An interesting note, one unnamed student-athlete said she sometimes typed papers for him. He was declared ineligible and later restored upon "repayment of a minimal amount to a local charity". The Florida State staff members requested by the NCAA to appear at the October meeting in Indianapolis, at a minimum, are: T.K. Wetherell (President), Randy Spetman (Director of Athletics), Mr. Joseph Beckham (Faculty Athletics Representative), Mark Meleney (Former Director of AASS), and Brian Battle (New Compliance Director).

[ixcuincle]

2 blowouts helped FSU rank 24 / 25 in the 2 polls. Congrats.

[Spartacus87]

2 blowouts helped FSU rank 24 / 25 in the 2 polls. Congrats. The real test will be next Saturday against Wake.

Our o-line still had some issues with pass blocking that worry me a little, and Ponder had one throw in particular to the end zone that was just awful reading of the defense. It just got tipped away but against a good defense, it would've been a pick, and against maybe Florida...I don't even want to think about it. He still needs to experience some growing pains with experience.

So far though we already look like a far more dangerous team than we ever did last year.

[drehoyas36]

The real season starts now...preseason is over lol

[ixcuincle]

It should be a good game against Wake. Looking forward to that.

[Fletch_Lives59]

The real season starts now...preseason is over lol

good thing we don't have ECU on the schedule, there's a powerhouse right there...:)

[BigMike21]

Big Noles fan here. Brother and Dad heading down to Tally thing morning for the game. I'm not oging since I have work today and SKins tickets Sunday but damn I hope we crush them this time! And Surrency is my father

[drehoyas36]

Big Noles fan here. Brother and Dad heading down to Tally thing morning for the game. I'm not oging since I have work today and SKins tickets Sunday but damn I hope we crush them this time! And Surrency is my father

LOL In that case Richardson is my brother...Can't wait for the game tomorrow night. Revenge will be a sweet thing. Nothing better than Noles and Skins winning in the same weekend.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Looking forward to this game very much. It'll be a good barometer to see how far FSU has come from the 2006 debacle

[ixcuincle]

12 - 3.

:(

[DCSaints_fan]

Wow, and I thought VT's offense was pathetic. I guess we aren't the dorkiest kid on the short bus after all.

[SkinsHokieFan]

3 QB's and only 3 points? What in the hell happened? :doh:

[drehoyas36]

I think Wake's D is underrated. Still pathetic to only put up 3 points. Turnovers and Penalties doomed us.

[Spartacus87]

3 QB's and only 3 points? What in the hell happened? :doh: 2 QBs?

When the QBs have 5 picks between them, of course the offense is going to look bad. The pass blocking needs to improve, for sure, but even when Ponder or D'Vo had time to pass they just made pure rookie mistakes. On their turnovers (except for D'Vo's last one at the end of the game, that was just stupid), they make those throws a second earlier and a little more accurately and it's a big completion rather than an interception.

Drew Weatherford would have just been trying to throw check downs all night and going 3 and out, then we could say "man our offense sucks."

Just rookie QBs going through major growing pains against a really fast and underrated defense in their first real action against a real team. I knew it would happen, didn't think it'd be this brutal, but I'm not totally surprised. Just something that fans need to live with while they learn.

Two other things though:
1- Wake's defense really is pretty good. Very fast, and Alphonso Smith is for real. One of the best corners in the country, and it showed. He was all over the field.
2- Our defense is for real as well. Much nastier and swarming to the ball a lot better than last year, and it's only going to improve as we just got back some key guys from suspensions and they'll get back into the swing of things. I just wish Mickey Andrews would play zone more often, his insistence on man to man sometimes completely backfires.

[Midnight Judges]

I'm sorry but I don't see why Jimbo Fisher should be the next head coach of FSU. His offense is utterly pathetic. Unimaginative, can't run the ball, guys don't get open even though they are ungodly talented. In other words, I don't think any coach in college football does less with more than Jimbo stinking Fisher.

The offense was pathetic before he got here and it hasn't changed. Both QBs have obvious talent, but these kids need coaching and lots of it. Same goes for the incredible talent they have at WR. These are NFL caliber players and they are clearly not reaching their potential.

I'm sick of Bobby and Jimbo. FSU has been plagued by stupid penalties, stupid mistakes, and stupid game plans on offense for 8 years now. It's not bad luck, it's sytematic and it starts at the top.

I love Mickey Andrews though. Every year he has his guys ready to kick some ass. Yesterday they largely shut down what is IMO a very good Wake Forest Offense whiule missing 5 starters!That's absurd, talk about reloading! The offense coughed up the football 7 freaking times and Mickey saved their butts all day and kept Wake to 12 points. If the offense was half as good as the defense, this would be a very good team.

I say fire Jimbo, keep Mickey, and bring in Skip Holtz.

[Spartacus87]

I'm sorry but I don't see why Jimbo Fisher should be the next head coach of FSU. His offense is utterly pathetic. Unimaginative, can't run the ball, guys don't get open even though they are ungodly talented. In other words, I don't think any coach in college football does less with more than Jimbo stinking Fisher.

The offense was pathetic before he got here and it hasn't changed. Both QBs have obvious talent, but these kids need coaching and lots of it. Same goes for the incredible talent they have at WR. These are NFL caliber players and they are clearly not reaching their potential.

I'm sick of Bobby and Jimbo. FSU has been plagued by stupid penalties, stupid mistakes, and stupid game plans on offense for 8 years now. It's not bad luck, it's sytematic and it starts at the top.

I love Mickey Andrews though. Every year he has his guys ready to kick some ass. Yesterday they largely shut down what is IMO a very good Wake Forest Offense whiule missing 5 starters!That's absurd, talk about reloading! The offense coughed up the football 7 freaking times and Mickey saved their butts all day and kept Wake to 12 points. If the offense was half as good as the defense, this would be a very good team.

I say fire Jimbo, keep Mickey, and bring in Skip Holtz. Umm...I can't agree with any of this.

Yeah, Jimbo really sucks. After one season. It's not like he, along with the rest of the new coaching staff, came in and inherited the rotting locker room and lazy players from the Jeff Bowden regime, and had to spend most of last season breaking bad habits and patiently waiting for garbage to finally graduate.

We're getting better and better talent all around on offense right now because of Jimbo Fisher. Corey Surrency is a Seminole because of Fisher. Jermaine Thomas. Preston Parker emerging as the versatile beast he is (although he had a pretty average game yesterday, getting the rust off).

The work that Trickett and Fisher are putting in isn't going to just to show up overnight, especially compared to how crappy FSU's offense was the last several years. You don't undo that level of disaster that quickly.

And guys were getting open during the game, but you can't overlook the fact that we were playing with two redshirt sophomore QBs who just made mistakes out of pure inexperience against a very fast defense in Wake Forest, featuring one of the best corners in the nation. We got served on our lack of experience, plain and simple. By the end of this year, and especially by this time next year, D'Vo, and especially Ponder, aren't making those same kinds of ill-advised decisions with the ball. They just have to learn.

And Mickey Andrews is mostly hit, but can be a miss lately. His outright refusal at times to play zone coverage burns us, but when we man up physically we play better D...he lives by strictly man to man and dies by it. We'll have games where we go up to Boston College and punish Matt Ryan, and head to Gainesville and let Tim Tebow and Percy Harvin destroy our man coverage and completely embarrass us. We played really well against Wake, but our best plays against their misdirection came when we played zone and covered the flats, and we got burned several times for big plays while we left huge parts of the field open due to man coverage. More often than not we bring the wood and play good defense, this much is true, but Mickey would do himself some good if he modernized his D a little more and became more flexible. The D did do a hell of a job yesterday though all things considered.

[hokie4redskins]

FSU continuing the tradition of making the ACC look bad. Pathetic.

[SkinsHokieFan]

FSU continuing the tradition of making the ACC look bad. Pathetic.

Well, they were playing another ACC team :)

Question for FSU fans. Do you think the Trickett/Fisher dynamic will work?

I.E Trickett likes lighter quicker o-lineman to do some of the stuff that was done at WVU

Meanwhile Fisher likes bigger grinder types. Is this disconnect having an effect?

[hokie4redskins]

Well, they were playing another ACC team :)



What does that matter? FSU is supposed to be one of the ACC flagships. They've woefully underachieved ever since expansion and together with Miami, they've single-handedly made the conference a GD laughing stock. Whether in conference or out, on the field or off, they've let the conference down. This is undisputed. Meanwhile, we've been hearing the "oh we'll be back" resonating from the clueless FSU minions for years. They're a disgrace.

[TheREALJBird]

What does that matter? FSU is supposed to be one of the ACC flagships. They've woefully underachieved ever since expansion and together with Miami, they've single-handedly made the conference a GD laughing stock. Whether in conference or out, on the field or off, they've let the conference down. This is undisputed. Meanwhile, we've been hearing the "oh we'll be back" resonating from the clueless FSU minions for years. They're a disgrace.

VT isn't exactly tearing it up this year....has your team had a comfortable victory this year? That offense is abysmal at times, Tyrod Taylor doesn't look all that impressive, but I guess that's the OC's fault

[SkinsHokieFan]

VT isn't exactly tearing it up this year....has your team had a comfortable victory this year? That offense is abysmal at times, Tyrod Taylor doesn't look all that impressive, but I guess that's the OC's fault

I think Hokie's point was that FSU was the flagship of the ACC from the time it entered the leauge until expansion

A big part of expansion was for Miami and FSU to continue to be the dominant teams they had been up until that point, which would certainly raise the profile of the ACC

Hence the ACCCG being in Jacksonville, FSU and Miami in different divisions, the now defunct labor day game between FSU and Miami etc etc

FSU not playing up to its lofty standards of the 1990s has certainly been a part of why the ACC's reputation is where it is. And to be quite frank, until both Miami and FSU are playing they way they are capable of playing, the ACC will be considered a junior conference. Save for Virginia Tech winning an MNC and really turning into the 800lbs gorilla FSU was (which won't happen this year)

We were an afterthought in expansion :) and trust me, nobody will say worse things about our offense then we will. So thanks for pointing out the obvious

A lot of people were expecting to see signs of FSU being closer to "back" against Wake then they showed Saturday night, in particular with how dominant that FSU O looked (granted it was 1-AA opponents, but you could really see something there)

[Spartacus87]

I think Hokie's point was that FSU was the flagship of the ACC from the time it entered the leauge until expansion

A big part of expansion was for Miami and FSU to continue to be the dominant teams they had been up until that point, which would certainly raise the profile of the ACC

Hence the ACCCG being in Jacksonville, FSU and Miami in different divisions, the now defunct labor day game between FSU and Miami etc etc

FSU not playing up to its lofty standards of the 1990s has certainly been a part of why the ACC's reputation is where it is. And to be quite frank, until both Miami and FSU are playing they way they are capable of playing, the ACC will be considered a junior conference. Save for Virginia Tech winning an MNC and really turning into the 800lbs gorilla FSU was (which won't happen this year)

We were an afterthought in expansion :) and trust me, nobody will say worse things about our offense then we will. So thanks for pointing out the obvious

A lot of people were expecting to see signs of FSU being closer to "back" against Wake then they showed Saturday night, in particular with how dominant that FSU O looked (granted it was 1-AA opponents, but you could really see something there) First off, Hokie's basically the tr1 of this forum. Nothing but a complete joke with an old shtick by now. So he can keep talking all he wants.

Second, I'm glad someone else finally agrees with what I said awhile ago in this forum- for the ACC to get back, Miami and FSU need to return to prominence. It's that simple. FSU and Miami are the big money draws, the big names, the big traditions...it's unfortunate for the conference that both programs are having their down years at the same time.

I can't say anything about the game against Wake that I haven't already said in this thread, but it's really not that discouraging. A program isn't going to be "back" after one year of trying to turn it around from several years of total decay, especially when "back" in relative terms for said program is finishing ranked top 5 for 15 years straight. High mountain to fall from, and just as high to climb back up.

[Fletch_Lives59]

FSU continuing the tradition of making the ACC look bad. Pathetic.

How many National Championships has VT won for the ACC?? or in general???

East Carolina, seriously???

I don't know who's worse, Michigan or VT....both are absolutely awful..

[Midnight Judges]

What does that matter? FSU is supposed to be one of the ACC flagships. They've woefully underachieved ever since expansion and together with Miami, they've single-handedly made the conference a GD laughing stock. Whether in conference or out, on the field or off, they've let the conference down. This is undisputed. Meanwhile, we've been hearing the "oh we'll be back" resonating from the clueless FSU minions for years. They're a disgrace.

You lost to ECU.

[SkinsHokieFan]

You lost to ECU.

In years past that would be a bad thing. But ECU is a good team (not quite as good losing Quinten Cotton on D though)

[Gary Clark Fan]

How many National Championships has VT won for the ACC?? or in general???

East Carolina, seriously???

I don't know who's worse, Michigan or VT....both are absolutely awful..


WAIT A MINUTE SLOW YOUR ROLL! If you are goin to call out Michigan look in the mirror buddy cause FSU is a joke, and while Michigan is down THIS YEAR, FSU has gotten worse and worse each year, as now your an afterthought in the ACC... Can u guys even score a td? From what I have seen of them doubt it.. WF whipped your teams ass and the score is not an indication.

The Seminoles are the ones who are truely awful.

[Fletch_Lives59]

WAIT A MINUTE SLOW YOUR ROLL! If you are goin to call out Michigan look in the mirror buddy cause FSU is a joke, and while Michigan is down THIS YEAR, FSU has gotten worse and worse each year, as now your an afterthought in the ACC... Can u guys even score a td? From what I have seen of them doubt it.. WF whipped your teams ass and the score is not an indication.

The Seminoles are the ones who are truely awful.

117 points in the first 2 games..GCF, you're just bitter cause your wife makes you wear a Penguins jersey...:cheers:

[Gary Clark Fan]

117 points in the first 2 games..GCF, you're just bitter cause your wife makes you wear a Penguins jersey...:cheers:


Fletch, if it was anyone was else I would of been piss mad with the Michigan comment, after all what the hell do we have to do with your argument, we have enough crap to deal with on our own I don't need to get all fired up about Michigan being brought into a FSU Vtech spat:doh:...

BTW, i wear NO penguin gear.....and she wears Skins colors and will be at the MNF game.....oh and our daughter due in Feb already has a Skins baby cheerleader outfit:D

Now regarding football, yea but who were those 116 against??? :rolleyes:

[Fletch_Lives59]

every single offensive linemen are Freshman, can't wait to see what the next few years brings us...Colorado was awful, which Big East team did they upset?

[SkinsHokieFan]

Nice work today FSU. Good to see you guys smash Colorado

[Spartacus87]

FSU continuing the tradition of making the ACC look bad. Pathetic. I'll expect the thank you for crushing Colorado, the team that just beat your most hated school around here from West Virginia, either here or in PM form....you're welcome though...

The ACC is going to learn to fear Nigel Bradham...

[Fletch_Lives59]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/pete_mcentegart/07/30/ten.spot/tx_corso_scorecard.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/nolefan_fsu/football/corso_lee.jpg

[Fletch_Lives59]

we better throttle NC State tonight, no excuse...

[Fletch_Lives59]

It's a W, we shouldve crushed them....5-1

I wonder if Gano can punt too...:)

[SkinsHokieFan]

So you remember that Wake game back in 2006 where you got shutout and it led to Jeff Bowden being fired?

I am thinking the same thing happens this weekend in Tallahasee, except in reverse. And hoping when it does, our O coaching staff is shown the door

[Spartacus87]

So you remember that Wake game back in 2006 where you got shutout and it led to Jeff Bowden being fired?

I am thinking the same thing happens this weekend in Tallahasee, except in reverse. And hoping when it does, our O coaching staff is shown the door Ha, interesting idea.

I'm not sure how things are from the booster side towards Stinespring, but with Jeff, literally the only person standing behind him was Bobby, and even he was probably going to quietly send him packing after the season. He just didn't want to deal with the publicity of having to force one of his sons out the door. Also, that game wasn't just the end of Jeff, it was the wake-up call to gut the entire rotted program from the inside out. Tech doesn't have as much to overhaul.

I will say though, I'm feeling somewhat good about this game. I respect the hell out of Tech's defense and Foster's schemes, I think he's awesome, but our downfall last year was essentially Ponder crumbling under the massive weight of playing in Lane Stadium. He never had a real shot in that atmosphere. But now turned to Doak Campbell, big ACC match-up, and it's FSU parents weekend so it'll be one of the highest attended games of the year, I think the team can pull this one out. I do wish it was at night though.

I'm not going to say it'll be a blowout, probably more like 28-14. Ponder will throw a pick, maybe lose a fumble, Antone Smith will keep running the way he has been and score a TD, and Tyrod Taylor will manage to get slippery and break a big play (possibly for a TD) but will otherwise be suffocated for most of the game.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Ha, interesting idea.


I'm not going to say it'll be a blowout, probably more like 28-14. Ponder will throw a pick, maybe lose a fumble, Antone Smith will keep running the way he has been and score a TD, and Tyrod Taylor will manage to get slippery and break a big play (possibly for a TD) but will otherwise be suffocated for most of the game.

I don't see it quite being a 2 TD spread because Bud gets his boys to play, regardless

It'll be a game where your D chokes our O, and your O makes more plays and wins it by 5-7 points. You guys will be in firm control most of the day but won't be able to pull away

[Fletch_Lives59]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3657284

wont matter...:)

[SkinsHokieFan]

Actually I gotta go with the Bobby Bowden formula for beating Beamer over the years

Special teams

Its either a block punt (2000 Sugarbowl, 2002 Gator Bowl) punt return (2005 ACCCG) or fake punt (2007 but we got an interception the next play!)

This year I go with fake field goal for a TD for Bobby

[Fletch_Lives59]

hahaha^^^ we switched it up now, we don't block kicks anymore, we finally make FG's.. which use to kill us in the late 80's and 90's..

[Spartacus87]

hahaha^^^ we switched it up now, we don't block kicks anymore, we finally make FG's.. which use to kill us in the late 80's and 90's.. Graham Gano is a beast.

FSU #1 in the ACC. That's wassup.

[Fletch_Lives59]

we will see Gano on Sundays for sure....The streak continues, Tech hasn't won in Tallahassee since 1974.....:)

[Spartacus87]

Bowden said Jermaine Thomas reminded him of Adrian Peterson lol...just a bit overhyped from Bobby, but even Jimbo could only sort of downplay Thomas' potential, the kid could very possibly be the best back in the ACC next year, especially with how well Trickett has the o-line gelling (the same young o-line that people said would be a disadvantage to FSU this season).

Everette Brown also has 9 sacks so far, and I think will end up with about 11 or 12. Definitely a 2nd or 3rd round pick in the draft in this year, he's a monster.

[Fletch_Lives59]

enjoy the win BC...:doh:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3702927

[Spartacus87]

enjoy the win BC...:doh:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3702927 eh, I'm not so sure I'm ready to give up on the game with them gone.

Losing Wade and Goodman doesn't mean anything.

Surrency hasn't done anything yet outside of help stretch the field and keep secondaries honest. He's just not polished enough of a receiver yet to do too much. The NCAA is absolutely retarded for only giving him this year for eligibility.

And we haven't had Bert Reed for awhile now with the way he keeps messing up.

We are missing Taiwan though, he was having a great year before he started to get in trouble.

That still gives us Carr and Parker (who should be getting the ball a LOT more anyway, I have no idea why we've limited his touches so much just to spread the ball around, even UF last year had issues stopping him).

And if we win it's still going to be because we establish a strong running game to control the clock, like we've done with almost all our wins this year, gaining over 200 yards on the ground per game. I know BC has a tough rush defense and a couple great d-linemen, but that just means we're going to need to give Jermaine Thomas more carries to share a bigger load with Smith. And there's no reason Thomas can't do that, like I just said earlier in this thread he's an absolute beast for a freshmen back.

The way our defense is playing as well leads me to believe we'll be in the game no matter what. FSU's a very tough team this year, the best team the program has had in a few years, and this is just another tough situation we'll have to overcome.

My biggest concern really is Wake not losing and making it to the ACC title game, which would suck since I'm absolutely convinced we're a better team than Wake and we just couldn't get our **** together when we played them at the start of the year.

The whole fight was stupid anyway. I guess I agree with suspending the players, but from what I've heard from people I know who work in the program and know the history behind what happened, it wasn't like the players went out looking for a fight in the middle of the day in the middle of campus.

[Fletch_Lives59]

as long as Smith and Ponder rack up a bunch of rushing yards, we MIGHT be ok but Easterling, Reed and Surrency have combined for 51 catches, 722 yards and eight touchdowns..

Everett Brown ACC defensive POY- calling it now..:)

[Spartacus87]

as long as Smith and Ponder rack up a bunch of rushing yards, we MIGHT be ok but Easterling, Reed and Surrency have combined for 51 catches, 722 yards and eight touchdowns..

Everett Brown ACC defensive POY- calling it now..:) Surrency has 10 catches for 210 yards and 4 TDs, almost all of which came in the beginning of the year against Western Carolina and Chattanooga. He's just not polished enough in his route running yet to handle real DBs in the ACC, and it's a crying shame the NCAA is completely screwing him out of his eligibility next year for completely BS reasoning, but as a whole right now he doesn't bring more to the table during games other than being a great blocker and getting the attention of the defense downfield.

Bert Reed also only has 15 catches, and while he helped a lot against Miami, has been suspended against Clemson and VT. VT has a great defense and we got by just fine without him. Against GT he had 3 catches for 18 yards.

Taiwan we will miss, he's a very solid all around WR for us on screens, outlet passes, deep routes, etc., but such is life.

Bottom line- Preston Parker and Greg Carr are our main weapons in the passing game, the rest of these guys are only getting open because teams fear Parker and Carr and are doubling them up, so in turn against BC that means Fortson and Rod Owens have to step it up and pick up slack. There's zero reason we can't use Parker more on screens and reverses just like we did last year when teams KNEW he was our main weapon but they still couldn't stop him, we've just tried to spread the ball out more this year along with using more of the running game.

Use Parker like the diverse play maker he is, and watch Carr on the deep and crossing routes, and we should be fine in the passing game.

Jimbo Fisher has established FSU as a running team anyway, so like I said before, with guys like Reed and Surrency out, that just means more work for Smith and Jermaine Thomas. Hell, put Smith in the backfield and line up Thomas in the slot like they were doing in the spring, and let BC piss their pants over that. Right there is the threat of the run with Smith or with Thomas, Parker, and Carr spread out, three extremely dangerous receivers in the passing game. Defenses do NOT want the ball in any of those guys' hands in open space.

Suspensions or not, if we come up short on offense and lose this game its our own fault for not game planning correctly, there are more than enough ways to get Ponder in rhythm and keep the pressure off of him while making moves down field. And with our defense playing as well as it is, we should be able to hold BC in check for the majority of the game.

Honestly- if we lose this game FSU is just letting itself down.

[Spartacus87]

And sure enough, FSU lost because we weren't able to establish the run well enough. ****.

From Ponder himself:
“We really couldn’t get it together and it starts with me,” Ponder said. “There were times when I definitely tried to force stuff.”

We shot ourselves right in the foot in that game, and paid the final price.

We did miss Taiwan after all. He would have helped a good deal, but such is life.

[Fletch_Lives59]

we looked like Va Tech and WVU combined out there, absolutely awful.. Bobby was 31-1 in Homecoming games coming into this game...good thing half the team are Fr. and So.

[TheDoyler23]

Florida State had a player blow out his knee celebrating a tackle. If that's not a bad omen for the rest of the year, I don't know what is.

[Fletch_Lives59]

Spartacus, I made the Tallahassee Democrat today, pics from Saturdays game..
http://nolesports.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=CD&Date=20081123&Category=FSU03&ArtNo=811230804&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=7

[Gary Clark Fan]

Spartacus, I made the Tallahassee Democrat today, pics from Saturdays game..
http://nolesports.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=CD&Date=20081123&Category=FSU03&ArtNo=811230804&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=7

Fletch, i looked in the ad section for personal services and didn't see you in there? Oh u mean the pic? :silly:

[Spartacus87]

Spartacus, I made the Tallahassee Democrat today, pics from Saturdays game..
http://nolesports.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=CD&Date=20081123&Category=FSU03&ArtNo=811230804&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=7 ha that's awesome :applause:.

I know a few guys who headed up there for the game, I wouldn't have minded going to see some of my old friends who to Maryland but I don't have the cash on me at the moment unfortunately. The guys who went said it was freezing though, which I believe from all the years I spent up there, I tried to warn these Floridians about it but they didn't understand until they saw it themselves.

[Fletch_Lives59]

FSU game is blacked out for the crappy Maryland vs BC game...I seriously might have to beat someone..F Directv...

[royallypwned]

FSU game is blacked out for the crappy Maryland vs BC game...I seriously might have to beat someone..F Directv...
My guide on the TV says that game is on both ABC and ESPN2, did you check both channels? It's on ABC for me.

[Fletch_Lives59]

My guide on the TV says that game is on both ABC and ESPN2, did you check both channels? It's on ABC for me.

since im in Northern Va they are showing the BC vs Maryland game...:doh:
they are showing it on ABC but they have nothing showing on ESPN2...if my wife was home I think I might have to beat her....:cheers:

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Bad injury for Percy Harvin there.

[royallypwned]

since im in Northern Va they are showing the BC vs Maryland game...:doh:
they are showing it on ABC but they have nothing showing on ESPN2...if my wife was home I think I might have to beat her....:cheers:
lol well Florida just got a TD to make it 21-6. I'd be focusing more on that game if it weren't for Baylor-Texas Tech. I'm praying for a Baylor miracle to give Texas the Big 12 South. Michael Crabtree has been carted off with an ankle injury and Baylor is deep in Tech territory, down 14-13. :fingersx:

edit: missed the FG. :doh:

[Fletch_Lives59]

How does the 7th ranked Defense in the Nation give up almost 500 yards? Thanks Maryland great effort today...

[Larry]

Deleted post. Wrong thread.

[mbqbfan]

It was a fun game to watch at least for me. Must have been hard to play on both sides in the pouring rain. I saw on tv halfway through the fourth q. most of the FSU fans left the game. Believe me, I watched the whole game. All I could see was a lot of blue...that's all I'll say.

[Spartacus87]

It was a fun game to watch at least for me. Must have been hard to play on both sides in the pouring rain. I saw on tv halfway through the fourth q. most of the FSU fans left the game. Believe me, I watched the whole game. All I could see was a lot of blue...that's all I'll say. I was there until halfway through the 4th.

Believe me, that rain was coming down hard. And like a moron, I didn't have any kind of cover/jacket/poncho/etc., so my phone ended up soaked, broken, and battered, just like my spirits at the hands of Tim Tebow.

I hate to say it, but you gotta be honest with yourself once in awhile- Florida is really, really ****ing good. Definitely National Title game kind of good. When Tebow promised the team wouldn't mess around after their loss to Ole Miss, he was not joking by any means. He's an amazing college QB.

[hokie4redskins]

ACC Champs, yet again. How you like them apples, bitches?

[Fletch_Lives59]

we have 12 in 16 years in the ACC..How many National Championships do you guys have?

[Spartacus87]

Strong way to close the 2008 season. My dad is a Wisconsin alumni while my brother and I are FSU guys, and we joked about it being "a house divided." My dad wisely chose to just wear a red shirt to the game, playing it neutral.

Some real lame Florida fans showed up, one wearing a Tim Tebow jersey, and just did the Gator Chomp non-stop until we scored our real go-ahead TD right before halftime. They then started a fight with a couple guys in front of them who were at the game with their families, and the whole section turned on them and booed them out as the police escorted them out of the game. Some guy even dumped what was left of his beer on the Tim Tebow fan's head. Florida fans are the worst ever, these guys clearly weren't even the kind of guys who would even get into UF to begin with, but they buy tickets to our bowl game to harass FSU fans and start fights with families (although Miami fans aren't much better for some of the same reason).

Either way, good blow out to carry into 2009.

The only real significant losses are Myron Rolle, who's been an amazing ambassador for the school and football program and good safety, and of course Everette Brown, who was a complete force on the d-line this year, and easily one of the most dominating college defensive players I've seen with my own eyes. Losing guys like Tony Carter and Derek Nicholson doesn't hurt the team too much. Same with Gregg Carr or Antone Smith.

Defense will take a step back a little next year with all the youth that will be starting, especially on the d-line (I imagine it'll be the youngest in the ACC), but the offense will be better and should help carry the slack for whatever slips on the defense.

2009 Seminoles: real breakout years for Jermaine Thomas and Nigel Bradham, the key names to watch for out of Tallahassee. The ACC isn't ready for what these two guys are going to bring.

[Fletch_Lives59]

Talk about a family divided, 14 people in my family including myself went to FSU and my sister went to UF(soccer scholarship).. My dad always jokes that he liked boys better and that my sister might have been a mistake..LOL

[ixcuincle]

Preston Parker got cut from FSU today after an arrest. I remember back on another forum I used to go to , a FSU fan used to tell me about how good he was.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3879281

[Spartacus87]

Preston Parker got cut from FSU today after an arrest. I remember back on another forum I used to go to , a FSU fan used to tell me about how good he was.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3879281 Yeah, he was sick. In 2007 he was a beast in the screen pass, short slant, quick in, etc. He was really like our Percy Harvin-lite, the way he'd line up all over the field, taking handoffs, whatever.

But this past year we really phased him out for some reason and used more and more of guys like Bert Reed and Taiwan Easterling. Passing game worked even better (having Ponder at QB instead of Weatherford helps) while we were spreading the ball around a lot more.

Really sucks, he was one of my favorite players the past couple of years and a pretty nice guy, but he just can't keep away from smoking. I really don't get that. Cost him potentially a pretty good season next year as the senior receiver on the squad and a go-to guy in the offense.

But that's life sometimes and when a guy gets 3 chances like he got, he's struck out.

[PleaseBlitz]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3958292

The Florida State football team will vacate an undetermined number of wins, serve four years' probation, and face a reduction in scholarships and other penalties due to what the NCAA described Friday as "major violations" from an academic cheating scandal.

Nine other programs were also penalized -- baseball, men's track and field, women's track and field, men's swimming, women's swimming, men's basketball, women's basketball, softball and men's golf -- and face the same sanctions. Overall, the scandal involved 61 athletes.

Football coach Bobby Bowden would have entered the coming season with 382 career victories, trailing Penn State coach Joe Paterno by one win on the all-time list. The sanctions will force him to forfeit all wins during which ineligible students competed in 2006 and 2007.

It is not immediately clear how many wins Florida State will have to vacate. Dennis Thomas, the vice chair of the Committee on Infractions and acting chair for the FSU case, said only one ineligible player would have had to participate in a game for the entire team record has to be vacated.

[shuler74]

Just saw this and you beat me to this....wow wow

[TheREALJBird]

Damn, that sucks for FSU

[Spartacus87]

Complete and total bull **** on the NCAA's part.

FSU was the first to discover this, and report on it themselves. They cleaned house on most of the tutors that were set to help athletes (even past the main three involved), brought in a new AD known for his work on graduating athletes and raising overall GPA among student-athletes, and didn't play any of the athletes knowing what was going on. Once they did find out about all of it, they suspended all involved, including for their bowl game.

Just complete crap grandstanding on the NCAA's part.

So basically, even if you try to play good guy and self report to do the right thing after doing everything you can to try and clean up and fix the mess for the future, the NCAA will still come in and try to get the last word, even if it's completely unnecessary.

It's hard to find a more screwed up sports organization in North America than the NCAA.

[hyphenatedbren]

Complete and total bull **** on the NCAA's part.

FSU was the first to discover this, and report on it themselves. They cleaned house on most of the tutors that were set to help athletes (even past the main three involved), brought in a new AD known for his work on graduating athletes and raising overall GPA among student-athletes, and didn't play any of the athletes knowing what was going on. Once they did find out about all of it, they suspended all involved, including for their bowl game.

Just complete crap grandstanding on the NCAA's part.

So basically, even if you try to play good guy and self report to do the right thing after doing everything you can to try and clean up and fix the mess for the future, the NCAA will still come in and try to get the last word, even if it's completely unnecessary.

It's hard to find a more screwed up sports organization in North America than the NCAA.

Maryland reported themselves in the wake of the Bob Wade debacle and the NCAA still saw fit to dock scholarships and exempt them from both the postseason and television. Be glad the punishment is as light as it is.

[Spartacus87]

Maryland reported themselves in the wake of the Bob Wade debacle and the NCAA still saw fit to dock scholarships and exempt them from both the postseason and television. Be glad the punishment is as light as it is. It's not so light if they take away the track team's two national titles, along with a bunch of wins from the football team.

Especially considering the most precedent with Oklahoma in 2005 getting pretty much the exact same decision from the NCAA, yet they overturned the penalty of taking away games that had been won.

[Elessar78]

why is it grandstanding? The athletes cheated, right? What difference does it make if they cleaned house afterward?

[hokie4redskins]

It's not so light if they take away the track team's two national titles, along with a bunch of wins from the football team.

Especially considering the most precedent with Oklahoma in 2005 getting pretty much the exact same decision from the NCAA, yet they overturned the penalty of taking away games that had been won.

Spin it all you want. Just more of the same FSU disgracing itself and the ACC.

[Fletch_Lives59]

Typical ******* Hokie fan..

[hokie4redskins]

Typical ******* Hokie fan..

:laugh:

Why? Because I speak the truth?

:thumbsup:

[Spartacus87]

Spin it all you want. Just more of the same FSU disgracing itself and the ACC. Whenever I see H4S pop in to a thread and start saying his usual nonsense, I can't help now but think back to this classic thread and the way he got piled on by everybody, and backed up by nobody:

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=278942

That one should almost be put as a "Read Me" at the top of this forum.

[hokie4redskins]

Now FSU Prez is making a fool of himself. Can we replace FSU with Syracuse please?

:laugh:

http://www.thewizofodds.com/the_wiz_of_odds/2009/03/florida-state-prez-cuts-to-the-bowdenpaterno-chase.html#more

"Now, we understand all the rest of it. We’ve heard Bianchi over there saying, well hell, 31 wins don’t count anyway because they were at some dip**** school..."

Nearly everybody laughed and Wetherell paused, noticing the mortified look on faces of university officials, according to Andrew Carter of the Sentinel.

"I’m sorry, Lee," Wetherell said to Lee Hinkle, vice president for university relations. "I got wound up."

But Wetherell was just getting started, illustrating his disdain for the NCAA's case against the Seminoles by using a hypothetical story involving Florida's Tim Tebow.

"I mean, I figured out how to beat Florida," Wetherell said. "I told them the other day — I've got the deal, man. I got the deal. We're going to send a graduate assistant down to write a [paper] for Tebow, and go ahead and turn it in.

"And then we're not going to tell anybody, until about the 15th of August. And we're going to say, Oh, by the way, look what happened. Urban [Meyer] doesn't know anything about this — he's not involved. And the letter according to the NCAA — you think a violation occurred, not that it did occur, you think it occurred, you've got to sit him.

"Well, we've got the proof, we've the [paper], we've got the one he turned in, we've got the one the graduate assistant [did]. He violated the rules. He's ineligible ... now, they can redshirt him next year, and they may need to do that because they're going to need a quarterback, anyway, in two years and that may not be a bad idea. But — that's just not right. I mean, it's just not right. That's what's the problem — it's just flat wrong."

According to Carter, Frank Murphy, the university's lead spokesman, then rose from his chair and told Wetherell that it was time to end the news conference.

[hyphenatedbren]

He's an evil genius. When he gets done with that Wetherell can get right to work on his island volcano lair and death ray on the moon. All his enemies, once killed, will be painted garnet and gold.

[Spartacus87]

Thank God the ACC has VT with their mediocre bowl game winning percentage and their most recent record low BCS game ratings.

The true saviors of the conference.

[hyphenatedbren]

You have to admit when you're university president starts talks about his plan to get the quarterback of his rival ruled ineligible he sounds both immature and insane.

[Spartacus87]

You have to admit when you're university president starts talks about his plan to get the quarterback of his rival ruled ineligible he sounds both immature and insane. Yes, because clearly, he was actually going to do that to Tebow. It's going to be the new dirty tactic that sweeps the SEC.

[hyphenatedbren]

Whether he intended to do it or not is irrelevant. The fact that he's talking about it makes him sound like a petulant teenager. Your kids cheated with the help of your administration. They got caught. Deal with it.

[hokie4redskins]

whether he intended to do it or not is irrelevant. The fact that he's talking about it makes him sound like a petulant teenager. Your kids cheated with the help of your administration. They got caught. Deal with it.

qft

[hokie4redskins]

The true saviors of the conference.

Indeed. Try to picture ACC expansion with Syracuse instead. VT saved the conference from being a laughingstock and we pay your bills. Show some gratitude.

[Spartacus87]

Indeed. Try to picture ACC expansion with Syracuse instead. VT saved the conference from being a laughingstock and we pay your bills. Show some gratitude. Right. Again, we should all be so grateful for VT's inability to show up against big teams in big games, and their incredible drawing power for ticket sales and especially ratings.

Without the prestige (which we all know you hate accepting after the trashing you took in that classic thread, which I still say should be a "READ ME" in this forum) of Miami and FSU, nobody would care about the ACC at all. Even in our down years, our labor day matchup from a couple years ago is still the most viewed ESPN game of all time. FSU ends up in a raw deal having to play Wisconsin for a mediocre bowl, and still draws the second highest bowl ratings ever for ESPN, only .2 below VT's epic BCS match-up.

Not many people actually care about VT. What is there to so thankful for again?

[Spartacus87]

Whether he intended to do it or not is irrelevant. The fact that he's talking about it makes him sound like a petulant teenager. Your kids cheated with the help of your administration. They got caught. Deal with it. Who are you?

The line about "kids cheated with the help of your administration...deal with it" says pretty much everything anyone needs to know about your understanding of the issue, and how you approach reasoning and debate.

[hyphenatedbren]

Excellent use of ad hominem attacks. Nice distraction from the point at hand.

The fact is a minimum of 61 student athletes at Florida State cheated in an online class or had answers to exams provided to them by members of the academic support team or had term papers typed for them by university employees. As a result, the NCAA ruled the cheaters ineligible and Florida State has to forfeit any games in which they participated. Now, the president of the university has run off at the mouth in an attempt to show that the NCAA's sanctions are unfair and unreasonable and that FSU is somehow a victim in all this. What beyond that is there to understand? They cheated. They got caught. Deal with the consequences.

[Elessar78]

I don't know why you really care about being stripped of those wins. It's not like it cost you a national championship. It really is about the whole Paterno-Bowden thing, isn't it?

[Spartacus87]

I don't know why you really care about being stripped of those wins. It's not like it cost you a national championship. It really is about the whole Paterno-Bowden thing, isn't it? No, actually, it's not.

And it could potentially impact national titles, namely our track ones. I care because it's the NCAA grand standing while pretty much discouraging universities from trying to clean up their own messes. FSU could have easily kept it all quiet and let it go away, but they reported it on themselves while overhauling the academic support staff, and yet they're still getting punished across the board? Take away some scholarships and place the program on probation, but don't jeopardize what other kids honestly participated in while the coaches didn't even realize it was happening at the time.

Anyone that cares about the future of FSU football is over the stupid Bowden/Paterno race. Bowden needs to move on so Jimbo Fisher can finally take full control and get rid of Mickey Andrews and Chuck Amato. The defensive side of the ball is regressing and it needs be cleaned out the same way the offense was, and that won't happen until Bowden's gone.

[Elessar78]

And it could potentially impact national titles, namely our track ones. I care because it's the NCAA grand standing while pretty much discouraging universities from trying to clean up their own messes. FSU could have easily kept it all quiet and let it go away, but they reported it on themselves while overhauling the academic support staff, and yet they're still getting punished across the board? Take away some scholarships and place the program on probation, but don't jeopardize what other kids honestly participated in while the coaches didn't even realize it was happening at the time.

I think you need to step back a bit from the situation. If members of the track team competed and were cheating academically to maintain their eligibility, isn't it only right they be ruled inelegible retroactively and have their accomplishments taken away? What about the kids in the school LSU, Ariz St, and Auburn isn't it wrong to deny their track athletes a championship when they played by the rules?

What does putting them on probation and stripping scholarships do? It punishes upcoming athletes that had nothing to do with the violations. And really probation does nothing.

If that's happening at FSU then there's obviously a culture that tolerates that kind of behavior. Whether the coaches know or not, the cheaters are still responsible for their actions.

[Gator Bait]

I don't think a team should be punished as a whole for a few individuals being inelegable. Not fair to those who do the right thing.

[Elessar78]

I don't think a team should be punished as a whole for a few individuals being inelegable. Not fair to those who do the right thing.

Well in an actual football game if a player gets flagged for a personal foul does he solely get punished? No the whole team does. That's part of the deal when you're in a group, team, or organization. Hence the importance of people with good character throughout.

You say that it's not fair to those who do the right thing. Again, I ask what about those kids from other teams who did the right thing? Maybe they didn't win on the field because they had to spend extra time working on papers or studying for tests that they could've used solely training for their sport.

[Gator Bait]

Well in an actual football game if a player gets flagged for a personal foul does he solely get punished? No the whole team does. That's part of the deal when you're in a group, team, or organization. Hence the importance of people with good character throughout.

You say that it's not fair to those who do the right thing. Again, I ask what about those kids from other teams who did the right thing? Maybe they didn't win on the field because they had to spend extra time working on papers or studying for tests that they could've used solely training for their sport.

you make valid points, but I still don't think it is fair to the other kids. How can you justify taking a championship away from someone for something that happened years ago.....especially from someone who wasn't in violation.

[Elessar78]

I hear ya but what's the NCAA supposed to do? If they look the other way on this what's to prevent other schools from doing it? I think that's the main reason they're coming down hard on FSU. And I think it happens at every school with a major sports program.

[hokie4redskins]

Watching Spartacus trying to rationalize and defend this is hilarious.

[Gator Bait]

I hear ya but what's the NCAA supposed to do? If they look the other way on this what's to prevent other schools from doing it? I think that's the main reason they're coming down hard on FSU. And I think it happens at every school with a major sports program.

Fine them, put them on probation so they aren't eligable for championships in years to come....don't take back championships that were already won.

better yet.....put FSU on probabtion, so they can't win an ACC championship or National Championship in the next 4 years. Allow all current players to transfer without sitting out a year. Hit 'em where it hurts....the pocket. This will take away from their recruiting class and take away from their current players w/o punishing past champions who were eligable.

[Elessar78]

Fine them, put them on probation so they aren't eligable for championships in years to come....don't take back championships that were already won.

better yet.....put FSU on probabtion, so they can't win an ACC championship or National Championship in the next 4 years. Allow all current players to transfer without sitting out a year. Hit 'em where it hurts....the pocket. This will take away from their recruiting class and take away from their current players w/o punishing past champions who were eligable.

I think these are good options you're suggesting.

My only disagreement with it is that it doesn't punish the athletes that did violate the rules. And instead punishes athletes that are just coming into the program.

[Gator Bait]

I think these are good options you're suggesting.

My only disagreement with it is that it doesn't punish the athletes that did violate the rules. And instead punishes athletes that are just coming into the program.

the athletes coming into the program would have a free pass on transfer (wouldn't have to sit out a year) They can sit on UF's bench and add depth...haha. UCF and USF's programs are getting better and better every year....they can go there.

Punish the athletes that did violate the rules by making them pay back the tuition they got scholarships for. Take away their championship rings.

[clint999]

The real season starts now...preseason is over lol