Cardinals Fan Perspective

[GoCards]

Let me say I hope we have an injury free and clean game. Also you guys seem to have a pretty fun/laid back forum here. I wish you luck the rest of the season just not this sunday.

First thing I noticed. You guys havent bashed the cards much and see its a tough game and I am not going to trash talk wither in your home but I want to point out a few items.

1) You guys are not giving the cardinals D enough credit. We have been top 12 for the last 3 years. Clancy Penderghast runs a scheme much like the eagles but more flexible.

Wilson is a beast that was ignored for 2 years in the Pro Bowl up until last year. Karlos Dansby is a franchise player playing on a 1 year contract. Dockett and Laboy are on fire. Our weakest spot in our secondary but it is solid as well and our top pick isnt even playing much.

2) I was in RFK last year (great place to watch a game, I wear my Tillman jersey and never get messed with LOL) and you guys played an extremely depleted cardinals team. Redskins have gotten better but so have the cards.

3) All the things you say the skins must do to stop the cards (ie pressure Warner, Run the ball on our D) They have all been posted on the Phins and 49ers site over and over. It has yet to be done. And the 9ers front 7 are not walk overs either.

We have a top 10 O, We have a top 10 D, Zero turnovers #1 in the League. Best 3rd down conversion percentage and the 2nd highest rated QB.

Did we play 2 bad teams? Yes. Did we beat them badly? Yes that is what good teams are supposed to do.

Cards 31 Skins 17

Good Luck the rest of the way and definately hope you pound the Cowfellons.

[Drunken Master III]

You make valid points, but you are crazy if you think the Skins are going to lose by 2 touchdowns at home. The Skins aren't exactly pushovers. Im not saying that the Skins can't lose this game, but 31-17 isn't going to happen. The Skins actually have the secondary to contain Bolden and Fitzgerald. I guarantee Warner throw atleast one pick. The Skins will make the Cards one dimensional by stopping the run first. I believe the Skins will win 24-20.

[STBonecrusher21]

There's a difference between bad teams, and MIA and STL.

Skins 27, Cards 14

Oh, and there's a difference between good teams, and ARZ.

[DButz65]

Fun and laid back? hehehehehe read some more man read some more, the chicken littles run around here all the time saying that the sky is falling, even after a win LOL



You were in RFK last year? how is it watching a invisible game? :)



Sorry i can not take anything you say seriously now :laugh:

[mrredskinDgreen]

It's Fedex Field...although most people on here wish it was RFK

also,you think the Cards are coming into our house and throwin up 31 and only lettin up 17? I think you got the teams mixed up pal

[brandymac27]

You were in RFK last year? how is it watching a invisible game? :)



Was wondering the same thing.:doh:

[Disegn]

We have a top 10 O, We have a top 10 D, Zero turnovers #1 in the League. Best 3rd down conversion percentage and the 2nd highest rated QB.

Did we play 2 bad teams? Yes. Did we beat them badly? Yes that is what good teams are supposed to do.

So would you venture to say that the Cards stat line is a bit tilted in your favor? 'cause I would

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

1. Looking at stats on NFL.com...

'07 - 17th in ypg giving up at 330.2 (Skins were 8th); 27th in ppg giving up at 24.9 (Skins were 11th)
'06 - 29th in ypg giving up 349.4 ypg; 29th in ppg giving up 24.3

I'm done there....bottom line you are full of crap and the Cardinals are still the Cardinals :cardsuck:

[Zhouse]

2) I was in RFK last year (great place to watch a game, I wear my Tillman jersey and never get messed with LOL) and you guys played an extremely depleted cardinals team. Redskins have gotten better but so have the cards.


Good thing you missed the game that was going on at Fedex Field....I think you woulda been a little disappointed. J/K man
I Wish your team luck this Sunday. Here's to an injury free game :cheers:

[Metalhead387]

Let me say I hope we have an injury free and clean game. Also you guys seem to have a pretty fun/laid back forum here. I wish you luck the rest of the season just not this sunday.

First thing I noticed. You guys havent bashed the cards much and see its a tough game and I am not going to trash talk wither in your home but I want to point out a few items.

1) You guys are not giving the cardinals D enough credit. We have been top 12 for the last 3 years. Clancy Penderghast runs a scheme much like the eagles but more flexible.

Wilson is a beast that was ignored for 2 years in the Pro Bowl up until last year. Karlos Dansby is a franchise player playing on a 1 year contract. Dockett and Laboy are on fire. Our weakest spot in our secondary but it is solid as well and our top pick isnt even playing much.

2) I was in RFK last year (great place to watch a game, I wear my Tillman jersey and never get messed with LOL) and you guys played an extremely depleted cardinals team. Redskins have gotten better but so have the cards.

3) All the things you say the skins must do to stop the cards (ie pressure Warner, Run the ball on our D) They have all been posted on the Phins and 49ers site over and over. It has yet to be done. And the 9ers front 7 are not walk overs either.

We have a top 10 O, We have a top 10 D, Zero turnovers #1 in the League. Best 3rd down conversion percentage and the 2nd highest rated QB.

Did we play 2 bad teams? Yes. Did we beat them badly? Yes that is what good teams are supposed to do.

Cards 31 Skins 17

Good Luck the rest of the way and definately hope you pound the Cowfellons.

You probably didn't get harassed last year considering you were in the wrong stadium, the Redskins play at Fedex Field, not RFK

[GoCards]

Heh RFK. I still call the stadium in philly Veterans. Somethings just shouldnt change. :)

[Disegn]

1. Looking at stats on NFL.com...

'07 - 17th in ypg given up at 330.2 (Skins were 8th); 27th in ppg given up at 24.9 (Skins were 11th)

I'll post and edit, because you get going on :bsflag:

2007 NFL Arizona Cardinals 27th
2006 NFL Arizona Cardinals 29th
2005 NFL Arizona Cardinals 26th

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/

[inevitable]

This is going to be one of those games where Kurt Warner, like practically every other quarterback in the NFL, learns the hard way that Laron Landry covers ground EXTREMELY quickly. Considering how prone he is to turning the ball over against the Redskins, I really don't think there is any way you score 31 points, at home, at a 1:00 pm game, against a defense that is leaps and bounds better then any you've faced this year.

The only way that the Cardinals score anywhere near 30 points is if their defense does the scoring for them. And with an offensive line that differs in 3 members from last season's game (when Rabach, Thomas, and Jansen were hurt) the running game may not be fantastic, but it will be better. This is a wake up game for a team that is kings atop FAR AND AWAY the worst division in football.

Skins 24 Cardinals 13

[BigMike21]

I mean you definitely have a chance to win but no way you score 31 in Maryland.

[TK]

Heh RFK. I still call the stadium in philly Veterans. Somethings just shouldnt change. :)
Kinda like the Cards continuously not making the Paloffs.:silly:

[Jofizz]

31-17?

You asked us to not think of this game as an easy win, so why should you declare a 2 touchdown victory in the largest stadium in the NFL?

Ain't happenin' bucko.

[GoCards]

1. Looking at stats on NFL.com...

'07 - 17th in ypg giving up at 330.2 (Skins were 8th); 27th in ppg giving up at 24.9 (Skins were 11th)
'06 - 29th in ypg giving up 349.4 ypg; 29th in ppg giving up 24.3

I'm done there....bottom line you are full of crap and the Cardinals are still the Cardinals :cardsuck:
My bad. I was so used to use being top 10 before our injury plagued year. This is interesting: 17th in ypg giving up at 330.2 (Skins were 8th); especially in the game we had last year we had so many more yards offensively than the skins.

[Larry Brown #43]

I think this will be a very close game that the Skins manage to win. 31-17 Cards? I think you're a little overconfident there, buddy.

By the way, who knew the Cardinals had fans? :whoknows: Seriously, I'm pretty sure I've never met a Cardinals fan in my life.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

2007 NFL Arizona Cardinals 27th
2006 NFL Arizona Cardinals 29th
2005 NFL Arizona Cardinals 26th

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/

Same difference....they are overrated and SUCK :D

[GoCards]

I think this will be a very close game that the Skins manage to win. 31-17 Cards? I think you're a little overconfident there, buddy.

By the way, who knew the Cardinals had fans? :whoknows: Seriously, I'm pretty sure I've never met a Cardinals fan in my life.


31-17 is my hope.

Hey I have only met 2 in person in my life!!!

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

My bad. I was so used to use being top 10 before our injury plagued year. This is interesting: 17th in ypg giving up at 330.2 (Skins were 8th); especially in the game we had last year we had so many more yards offensively than the skins.

How'd we do last year with all of our injuries and tragedy?

Someone please "excuse" the troll.

[Stugein]

By the way, who knew the Cardinals had fans? :whoknows: Seriously, I'm pretty sure I've never met a Cardinals fan in my life.

Holy cow...now that you mention it I can't think of a time I've ever seen one either..aside from on T.V. I don't think I've every seen someone in cards gear.

[DButz65]

Kinda like the Cards continuously not making the Paloffs.:silly:


http://www.vikdavid.com/blog/pics/nelson-haha.gif

[TK]

By the way, who knew the Cardinals had fans? :whoknows: Seriously, I'm pretty sure I've never met a Cardinals fan in my life.
There's about 5 or 6 of them on here as of an hour or so ago. You have NO idea how shocked by that when I approving new accounts. They must be iggle fans in disguise.:silly:

[DieHard86]

If the Skins make Warner just a little uncomfortable early on, this game is over.

[D'KanSkinFan]

Dude:

I am not even going to the RFK error you made; my other brothers and sisters will beat you up enough for the MAJOR mistake~

However,

Did we play 2 bad teams? Yes. Did we beat them badly? Yes that is what good teams are supposed to do. Remember this statement~

Cards 31 Skins 17 J/K right???????:laugh:


Redskins 20:point2sky:point2sky:point2sky:point2sky:point2s ky:point2sky:point2sky:point2sky:point2sky:point2s ky

cards 13

(pssssssttttt~ we know how hot and cold Kurt Warner flows)

[inevitable]

My bad. I was so used to use being top 10 before our injury plagued year. This is interesting: 17th in ypg giving up at 330.2 (Skins were 8th); especially in the game we had last year we had so many more yards offensively than the skins.

Like I mentioned, a game where 3 of our starting offensive linemen were out, including our center, your team managed to find a way to lose, which is exactly what bad teams do. In that game you just happened to be worse then the Redskins. That's why its crazy to think that you'll come here and blow up the scoreboard. The Cardinals haven't done anything in years to prove they're anything more then an average football team. Even if all the cards fall their way, as they did last year, you'll still find a way to lose.

[InsaneBoost]

RFK?

Last year was 2007 right :P

[STBonecrusher21]

Heh RFK. I still call the stadium in philly Veterans. Somethings just shouldnt change. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/midnightofrain/funny-pictures-hamster-worries-abou.jpg

[GoCards]

hmmm wow I called the stadium a name it was what 1-2 years ago in an age where stadiums are changing their names left and right? whoa is me!!!! How could I???

[inevitable]

Not to hard to remember the home team when they play at a college stadium though I guess?

[Dan T.]

It looks like the Cardinals are not the pushovers they've been in years past. Still, wins over San Fran and the Dolphins don't equate to much this early in the season. I'm not convinced yet. I'll use the motto from their former home:

Show Me.

[Oldskool]

Let me say I hope we have an injury free and clean game. Also you guys seem to have a pretty fun/laid back forum here. I wish you luck the rest of the season just not this sunday.

First thing I noticed. You guys havent bashed the cards much and see its a tough game and I am not going to trash talk wither in your home but I want to point out a few items.

1) You guys are not giving the cardinals D enough credit. We have been top 12 for the last 3 years. Clancy Penderghast runs a scheme much like the eagles but more flexible.


Not quite true.

2007: 17th in the league http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2007&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

2006: 29th in the league http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2006&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

2005: 8th in the league http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2005&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go


Wilson is a beast that was ignored for 2 years in the Pro Bowl up until last year. Karlos Dansby is a franchise player playing on a 1 year contract. Dockett and Laboy are on fire. Our weakest spot in our secondary but it is solid as well and our top pick isnt even playing much.

Your defense has some good players on it, but what also makes them look good is that your team plays in the NFC West, one of if not the weakest division in the NFL.


2) I was in RFK last year (great place to watch a game, I wear my Tillman jersey and never get messed with LOL) and you guys played an extremely depleted cardinals team. Redskins have gotten better but so have the cards.

Both teams are completely different from last year. Throw that out the window.


3) All the things you say the skins must do to stop the cards (ie pressure Warner, Run the ball on our D) They have all been posted on the Phins and 49ers site over and over. It has yet to be done. And the 9ers front 7 are not walk overs either.

The Fins and the 9ers are horrid teams. Look at the stats. Neither team could stop the Cards because the Cards were a better team by far. If anything, the Cards are equal to the Skins right now in talent on both sides of the ball.


We have a top 10 O, We have a top 10 D, Zero turnovers #1 in the League. Best 3rd down conversion percentage and the 2nd highest rated QB.

Did we play 2 bad teams? Yes. Did we beat them badly? Yes that is what good teams are supposed to do.

Cards 31 Skins 17

Very generous but you can't come to our house in the NFCE after trouncing two of the worst teams in the league and expect to get any respect.

Skins 28 Cards 13



Good Luck the rest of the way and definately hope you pound the Cowfellons.

About the only thing you got right. :cheers:

[Larry Brown #43]

There's about 5 or 6 of them on here as of an hour or so ago. You have NO idea how shocked by that when I approving new accounts.

I guess the saying is true...you can find anything on the Internet. :)

[GoCards]

Not to hard to remember the home team when they play at a college stadium though I guess?

OMG you dontknow the cards do not play at Sun Devil Stadium anymore? OMG it was like over a year since we played there. Wow what a sin!!! How could you!?!?

I would have no expectations for you to know the name of our stadium. I guess its just some sore point with you guys with the new name :shrug:

[DarrellsMyHero28]

hmmm wow I called the stadium a name it was what 1-2 years ago in an age where stadiums are changing their names left and right? whoa is me!!!! How could I???

Well, its not a new name in so much as its a brand new stadium.

RFK was quite some time ago, it was (well still is) in DC and FedEx (Which was Jack Kent Cooke Stadium...and still should be) is in Landover, MD.

I don't really care, you're a Cards fan and I couldn't name quite a few of the stadiums in the league...but you were pretty far off.

[DButz65]

hmmm wow I called the stadium a name it was what 1-2 years ago in an age where stadiums are changing their names left and right? whoa is me!!!! How could I???


I know right, i mean you walked into the stadium where there are BIG SIGNS ALL AROUND IT THAT SAY "FedExfield", then when the announcer comes on and says "welcome to FedexField" that should of rang a bell too, as well as the printing on the tickets for the game.... but nooooo


Whoa is you is right and you're a troll heh

[STBonecrusher21]

Not to hard to remember the home team when they play at a college stadium though I guess?

:doh::doh:

Hahahaha.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Remember when the Lions fans came in here last year and kept spouting off about their top of the league passing offense and predicting a blowout in their favor? Yeah.....good times.


Anyway, carry on.

[GoCards]

It looks like the Cardinals are not the pushovers they've been in years past. Still, wins over San Fran and the Dolphins don't equate to much this early in the season. I'm not convinced yet. I'll use the motto from their former home:

Show Me.


Hey Dan,

Trust me after 20 years of watching the cards I have the same motto!!!

[HogNose]

2) I was in RFK last year (great place to watch a game, I wear my Tillman jersey and never get messed with LOL) and you guys played an extremely depleted cardinals team. Redskins have gotten better but so have the cards.



RFK, huh? :doh:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/r3v3r3nd_album/fail1.jpg

[ST is my boy]

Jeez these Cards fans are insane.....you should see their board....its like they are superbowl bound. And every post I see one of them says "The Redskins suck", or "The skins are one of the worst teams in the NFL"

Lets stay humble my redskins brothers.....

31-17 at Fed ex (errr I mean RFK) just isnt going to happen......im sorry...just wont

[Stugein]

hmmm wow I called the stadium a name it was what 1-2 years ago in an age where stadiums are changing their names left and right? whoa is me!!!! How could I???

Dude. Try 10+ years ago. This is Jesus-Riding-a-Dinosaur old.

[Dan T.]

hmmm wow I called the stadium a name it was what 1-2 years ago in an age where stadiums are changing their names left and right? whoa is me!!!! How could I???

The Redskins haven't played in RFK since 1996 - 12 years ago.

They opened Jack Kent Cooke stadium on September 14, 1997, with a win over the Cardinals.

[Taylor4Life]

Cards 31 Skins 17

Good Luck the rest of the way and definately hope you pound the Cowfellons.

Hmm..., I seem to remember some cocky Lions fans thinking they'd spot 30 plus on us... and they spotted 3.

Look, I'll give you a pass because you probably don't follow the Skins week by week and year by year like we do, but predicting that your team is going to spot 30 on us is pretty stupid.

The one thing that the Redskins have consistently been able to do in recent years is hold "high scoring" teams well below their season average.

[TK]

I guess the saying is true...you can find anything on the Internet. :)
Yeah. But the the thing about the interwebz is it has a strict 'no return':silly: policy.

[emor09]

this game comes down to 1 matchup

Kurt Warner's Eyes, Arm, and Awareness

vs

LaRon Landry's Speed, Play Recognition, and Awareness

i'll take the LSU Tiger

[GoCards]

Jeez these Cards fans are insane.....you should see their board....its like they are superbowl bound. And every post I see one of them says "The Redskins suck", or "The skins are one of the worst teams in the NFL"

Lets stay humble my redskins brothers.....

31-17 at Fed ex (errr I mean RFK) just isnt going to happen......im sorry...just wont


You didnt see that on the best cardinals board ASFN. We are all hoping and excited. You wont find one Redskins suck thread.

[kev5xsparnak11]

ummm yeah...
The cardinals are definetely an OVER-RATED team. The NFL analysts are like "oh they are so good this year" but who did they play? Dolphins and 9ers. both of which are like the bottom 4 teams...

prediction skins-28 cards-13

[DButz65]

Dude i agree with you but you HAVE to change that dallas blue sig to burgundy and gold, the color just doesnt look right here, every else agree? :)




Hmm..., I seem to remember some cocky Lions fans thinking they'd spot 30 plus on us... and they spotted 3.

Look, I'll give you a pass because you probably don't follow the Skins week by week and year by year like we do, but predicting that your team is going to spot 30 on us is pretty stupid.

The one thing that the Redskins have consistently been able to do in recent years is hold "high scoring" teams well below their season average.

[ucfSKINS]

hmmm wow I called the stadium a name it was what 1-2 years ago in an age where stadiums are changing their names left and right? whoa is me!!!! How could I???


LOL. We haven't played at RFK in nearly a decade, not just one or two years. And I'm glad the Bidwell family finally got you guys a new stadium you don't deserve. I lived in Phoenix for almost 10 years, and the only people at Cards games are the fans of other teams. Yes, I know some Cards fans, and they are about as loyal as a priest in a room full of alter boys! (i keed i keed :D). That aside, all we need to do is put pressure on Warner and he'll fold like last year. Phins and 9ers D line is nothing like ours. Not saying ours is the best, but its a big difference over the phins and 9ers.

Plus we have a pretty decent secondary. I hope you don't have money on no turnovers on sunday, because Warner WILL be picked off/sacked while fumbling.

Skins 24-Cards 17.

[corrupt3d]

hmmm wow I called the stadium a name it was what 1-2 years ago in an age where stadiums are changing their names left and right? whoa is me!!!! How could I???


Actually the last time a Redskins game was played in RFK was over a decade ago.


FedEx Field isn't even the same stadium, nor even in the same state.

[Dan T.]

Hey Dan,

Trust me after 20 years of watching the cards I have the same motto!!!

I feel your pain. Such loyalty should be rewarded - minus a little bump in the road come Sunday.

Whisenhunt seems to have righted the ship out there, and they benefit from playing in a pretty weak division. So one loss against the non-division Skins shouldn't derail your playoff push!

:cheers:

[chickenlipper]

hmmm wow I called the stadium a name it was what 1-2 years ago in an age where stadiums are changing their names left and right? whoa is me!!!! How could I???

It.s been 11 years big guy

[Taylor4Life]

Dude i agree with you but you HAVE to change that dallas blue sig to burgundy and gold, the color just doesnt look right here, every else agree? :)

Alright, since I'm bored at work and have absolutely nothing to do, I will oblige and find a replacement for this highly offensive sig color...

[DButz65]

LOL , at least you can do that, my main computer died that i had my editing software on it, and i can find the dick to install it on my laptop, grrrrr it will turn up im sure




Alright, since I'm bored at work and have absolutely nothing to do, I will oblige and find a replacement for this highly offensive sig color...

[Dan T.]

Hey people, not every fan from another team that comes here is automatically a troll. Go Cards made a post giving some insight into his team, and even if his prediction is way off, how about a little courtesy.

[corrupt3d]

LOL , at least you can do that, my main computer died that i had my editing software on it, and i can find the dick to install it on my laptop, grrrrr it will turn up im sure



Just ask Chris Cooley, he may know where it is.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Hey people, not every fan from another team that comes here is automatically a troll. Go Cards made a post giving some insight into his team, and even if his prediction is way off, how about a little courtesy.


:cardsuck:

:hammer:


Kill the troll!

[DButz65]

Just ask Chris Cooley, he may know where it is.



heh :redpunch: :hammer:

[kingfish50]

I hope you enjoyed the soccer game at RFK! lol You must be pretty delusional if you think the birds can score 31 points on this defense. Warner's going to get constant pressure from our ends and with the not so occasional blitzes, he'll panic and start throwing the pics. Your only chance is if your o-line can contain our pass rush, which would give Warner time to hit those tall receivers you have.
On our part it all boils down to Jason Campbell. If he plays the game as he did last week or better, this offense will score on your defense at will.
I just don't see a close game here. Redskins 42 Cardinals 17

[The Caretaker]

nice of ya to drop by bro, but really, the cards?

This is the NFC East, the biggest, toughest, overall best division in the NFL, you played the Dolphins and the 49ers, terrible teams.

Alot of the NFL analysts need to come back down to earth.

the Saints were supposed to have a high octane offense, there offense only put one long drive that ended in a TD against us.

The Lions came in last year with a supposed best passing attack in the NFL and scored 3 points.

We have a stout defense, with pro-bowl caliber corners in springs and rogers, and Laron Landry.

This is by no means a gimme, even though the Cards are overrated, there offense is by no means a joke.

but 31 points? is our entire defense going to get injured or somthing?

If the cards win, it will be a very close game.

[GoCards]

Hey people, not every fan from another team that comes here is automatically a troll. Go Cards made a post giving some insight into his team, and even if his prediction is way off, how about a little courtesy.

LOL Thanks Dan.

We have a lot of opposing fans come to ASFN and its for the most part pretty fun. Im just sad when the Dolphins or 9ers fan doesnt come back after they lose. :)

EDIT: So if we lose I will come back and give props.

[tenken627]

Cardinals fans have their heads in the clouds because of their first 2-0 start in 17 years.

But really in today's NFL, 2-0 means nothing. Every team knows this except the Cards. Hell, even Steve freakin Spurrier got 2-0.

Yes, 2-0 is an accomplishment for the Cardinals, but it means squat.

[WeThreeKingsRuleU]

OMG you dontknow the cards do not play at Sun Devil Stadium anymore? OMG it was like over a year since we played there. Wow what a sin!!! How could you!?!?

I would have no expectations for you to know the name of our stadium. I guess its just some sore point with you guys with the new name :shrug:

You mean it's not Pink Taco Stadium?

[gortiz]

It is simple here buddy, the Cards and the Lions are Charlie Brown trying to kick a field goal, and the Skins are Lucy pulling the ball away, it has always been like that, it will always be like that.

[tenken627]

We know what your stadium is called. That's why there was a joke earlier in the thread about your "college" stadium. The "University of Phoenix" Stadium.

[BigMike21]

Not quite true.

2007: 17th in the league http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2007&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

2006: 29th in the league http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2006&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

2005: 8th in the league http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2005&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go



Your defense has some good players on it, but what also makes them look good is that your team plays in the NFC West, one of if not the weakest division in the NFL.



Both teams are completely different from last year. Throw that out the window.



The Fins and the 9ers are horrid teams. Look at the stats. Neither team could stop the Cards because the Cards were a better team by far. If anything, the Cards are equal to the Skins right now in talent on both sides of the ball.



Very generous but you can't come to our house in the NFCE after trouncing two of the worst teams in the league and expect to get any respect.

Skins 28 Cards 13



About the only thing you got right. :cheers:

Dude, um, OldSkool just OWNED that Cards fan!!!

[Frunobulax]

Even if all the cards fall their way...

Heheh -- as long as they fall some way! :point2sky

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I wonder what the media's excuse will be when we kick the crap outta the Cards?

[IbleedBnG83]

I'll start by stating that the Cardinals are definitely better than last year. I think Adrian Wilson is a beast and completely under rated. Albeit a top ten defense last, what 2 years, the Cards play the 49ers and Rams twice a year. That is padding the stats in my opinion. A team like the Redskins who had a top 10 defense and play the Giants, Cowboys, and Ealges twice a year, now thats saying something isn't it?

As far as the offense goes, the Cardinals are VERY one dimensional. I like Hightower over James. I think Tim should be the starter. For whatever reason, the Cards can't get a solid running game established despite a high flying passing game that should open up the run.

Beating the 49ers by 10 points is nothing to hang your hat on. Although good teams are suppose to "destroy" lesser opponents like the Dolphins, it doesn't mean that a mediocre team can't. I don't mean to take anything away from the two wins the Cardinals have or how effective the passing game is, but untill the beat a better opponent, they are still an overall mediocre team IMO.

I feel that the Redsins matchup well against the Cardinals. We have a solid front four and linebackers to allow us to play more against the Cardinals strong passing offense. We also have the personel to apply enough pressure on Warner to not only cause turnovers, but to throw him off his game completely.

Washington's run game is always going to be there. Portis will get his 100 yards and at least a TD. Although young, we have plenty of weapons on offense to includ Moss, Cooley, and ARE. Thrash going down just will allow Thomas and Kelly to step up. Fred Davis is the furthest along and we should see more from him.

Washington 24 Cardinals 17

[No_Pressure]

The Washington Redskins have not set foot inside RFK stadium since a 37-10 victory over the Cowboys on December 22nd 1996. We have played in FedEx field for 12 years not 1-2.

The Cardinals beat the 49ers and the Dolphins. The 49ers went 5-11 in the weakest division in football, and the Dolphins almost went winless. Congrats on beating down some very bad teams.

Is credit due? Of course, good teams do beat bad teams. Kurt Warner has looked good and the defense has looked good...all I am saying is look at who they have looked good against. The Cardinals defense managed not to get picked apart by the likes of J.T. O'Sullivan, Chad Pennington, and Chad Henne, they also managed to stop powerhouse backs like Ronnie Brown and Druggie Williams. The only decent running back they faced was Gore and he had a good day against the Cardinals defense.

The Cardinals offense managed to throw all day last week against the likes of Andre Goodman, Will Allen, Yeremiah Bell, and Chris Crocker!!! That sounds like the defensive backfield of a pro-bowl team to me!

I'm not saying the Cardinals are bad, but I'm saying they haven't proved themselves against anybody good so far this year, the Skins lost by 9 to the defending champs and beat the overrated Saints, both of which would be 2-0 if they had the Cardinals' schedule. You will have to excuse me if I'm not exactly shaking in my shoes at the thought of playing against them.

[shakinaiken]

wow, been checking out the cards board and the are giving the redskins no respect at all... calling us the worst team in the league... find it hilarious these critiscisms are coming from fans who cheer for the arizona cardinals.. nuff said

[pjfootballer]

The only part (besides the RFK reference) that I found bad was the "49ers and Dolphins" have a great D-Line. Really? Can anyone name one of their starters? I'm sorry, but Carter, Taylor and Griffin alone trump anything the Fins and Niners have. I'm not saying we'll stomp the Cards or even win, but it won't be 31-17. If you came in and said 20-17, that might be more realistic.

[Dead Money]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/finstinct/antoniobrownkiss2wy.gif

Remember this in '05? We had more 'Skins fans in the stands (at least near the field) than Cards fans. Granted it was near the holidays, but yall are almost as bandwagon as it gets. When we scored you could hear "Hail to the Redskins" loud and clear throughout the stadium.

I feel for you "fans" having had to endure some really bad management for years, lack of a stadium till recently and some really, really poor performances by top draft picks. BUT, don't come here saying that Miami and San Fran were no walk overs they are 2 of the worst 5 teams in the league.

Congrats on the 2-0 start...really. But 31-17? Gimme a break. You come in trying to be cool and then blow it with disrespecting our defense and offense. We have played two very good teams in the NFC, you have not. Get over yourself.

[RalphZero]

Cards 31 Skins 17

This will be a key game for the Cardinals. How improved are they from last season? Can they beat average teams on the road. Will they find some way of shooting themselves in the foot?

The Cardinals should win if they don't beat themselves. The Redskins won last week and have been goofing around and slacking off this entire week.

Redskins should be looking at this game as "Must Win". They have Dallas and Philly on the road next.

Cardinals 27
Redskins 20

[MonkFan8]

Do Cardinals fans remind anyone exactly like Detroit fans last year? Thought they were finally going to have a good season, and we had to smack them back to reality?

[TK]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/finstinct/antoniobrownkiss2wy.gif

Remember this in '06?
Sure do. I'm on the sideline in that clip. I also remember they kept moving the ES West Tailgate back further & further from the stadium because we outnumbered them so badly.:)

[Passizle]

My bad. I was so used to use being top 10 before our injury plagued year. This is interesting: 17th in ypg giving up at 330.2 (Skins were 8th); especially in the game we had last year we had so many more yards offensively than the skins.
True... but you also had much more turnovers and penalties... hence why we won and the Cards once again fell flat on their face.

[helptheSKINS]

The guy came here wanting to discuss the game and we have 5 pages of "it's not RFK it's Fed Ex". The wrong defensive stat's he gave certainly needed to be called out though.

Cards are a solid team. I don't buy the "who did you beat" argument either. They won those games soundly like they should have. Any team with those receivers and a QB playing as well as Warner is should be respected. That D is decent this year. They still won't win here, but it will be close.

27-24 Skins

[helptheSKINS]

This will be a key game for the Cardinals. How improved are they from last season? Can they beat average teams on the road. Will they find some way of shooting themselves in the foot?

The Cardinals should win if they don't beat themselves. The Redskins won last week and have been goofing around and slacking off this entire week.

Redskins should be looking at this game as "Must Win". They have Dallas and Philly on the road next.

Cardinals 27
Redskins 20

Care to explain?

I hope you're not just talking about the Cooley thing.

[RAAZ227]

Congrats on being 2-0 since 1991 but, it's going to end this weekend. I think AZ is overreacting!

[STBonecrusher21]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/finstinct/antoniobrownkiss2wy.gif

Remember this in '05? We had more 'Skins fans in the stands (at least near the field) than Cards fans. Granted it was near the holidays, but yall are almost as bandwagon as it gets. When we scored you could hear "Hail to the Redskins" loud and clear throughout the stadium.

I feel for you "fans" having had to endure some really bad management for years, lack of a stadium till recently and some really, really poor performances by top draft picks. BUT, don't come here saying that Miami and San Fran were no walk overs they are 2 of the worst 5 teams in the league.

Congrats on the 2-0 start...really. But 31-17? Gimme a break. You come in trying to be cool and then blow it with disrespecting our defense and offense. We have played two very good teams in the NFC, you have not. Get over yourself.

Mmm mm mmm mm m! Close the thread after this one!

Hahaha. Owned!
:cheers:

[Stugein]

I don't buy the "who did you beat" argument either. They won those games soundly like they should have. Any team with those receivers and a QB playing as well as Warner is should be respected. That D is decent this year. They still won't win here, but it will be close.

You have to give it some weight though. Honestly. A prize fighter looks impressive with two first round knockouts..until you find out he was having bouts against toddlers. The Cards are putting up some nice numbers, but they're doing so against the bottom-of-the-barrel. They might be for real..Warner could be having a resurgence. Or their performance could be a product purely of their opposition. If who you played didn't matter there would never be talk of strength of schedule, etc. I'm not saying that just because they played two crap teams that they're going to be pushovers, but I'm not losing any sleep over an offense that aired out the 1-15 wonders either.

[Ray Brown]

You didnt see that on the best cardinals board ASFN. We are all hoping and excited. You wont find one Redskins suck thread.


can you tell your mods on those boards to approve some new accounts. i've been trying to get an account on that board since may.

[NattyLight]

I'm definitely not sleeping on the Cardinals. This is going to be a battle, especially since they may be the best team in the NFC West. Not that that's saying much, but still, no one here should sleep on the Cards. :2cents:

[Ikaros]

Cards 31 Skins 17

dude i respect the cards n all but you guys put up 31 points against Miami, there is no way you guys are putting up 31 against the Skins. Our Defense is MUCH better then the Dolphins for 1, and 2 - we havent given up 30 points yet and that was against 2 high powered offenses.

also the skins will score more then 17. we only scored 29 against the Saints and we should have scored 20+ more.

I think it will be a good game and the Cards have a chance to win but if they do win it wont be by the score of 31-17.

[illone]

HAHAHA nice try, jack. No way the Skins lose by two TDs at home. You do realize your team is historically one of the worst road teams in the league, right?

[NomadicSkinFan]

Considering the fact that we were winning 21-6 in last years game heading into the fourth quarter and only won 21-19... Does anyone think coach Gibbs' habit of sitting on leads had anything to do with this? I'm willing to bet that Zorn wouldn't let off the gas.

[NomadicSkinFan]

Considering the fact that we were winning 21-6 in last years game heading into the fourth quarter and only won 21-19... Does anyone think coach Gibbs' habit of sitting on leads had anything to do with this? I'm willing to bet that Zorn wouldn't let off the gas.

[NomadicSkinFan]

:doh: crud...

[The Caretaker]

This will be a key game for the Cardinals. How improved are they from last season? Can they beat average teams on the road. Will they find some way of shooting themselves in the foot?

The Cardinals should win if they don't beat themselves. The Redskins won last week and have been goofing around and slacking off this entire week.

Redskins should be looking at this game as "Must Win". They have Dallas and Philly on the road next.

Cardinals 27
Redskins 20

Your more delusional then a homer Cards fan :doh:, ( not directed towards OP)

[turbodiesel#44]

2) I was in RFK last year (great place to watch a game, I wear my Tillman jersey and never get messed with LOL) and you guys played an extremely depleted cardinals team. Redskins have gotten better but so have the cards.


Well, thanks for the kind words, but that was a soccer game you watched at RFK. There are some subtle differences in the sports.

[Califan007]

:doh: crud...
:rotflmao:

[Red-Head]

Cards Fan here


1.) ASFN Sucks
2.) I don't know which board you guys are reading, most people on our official aren't talking sh*t, we know this game won't be easy



I for one, would prefer for the Skins to think that we're the same old Cards, so as far as the "lolz you guys suck-azz yo." dimwit posters here (some, not all of you), YOU guys seem to be talking a lot of s***.

Both teams at this point are understandably unknown quantities. There is validity to the point the Niners aren't a bad team; especially not on Defense, and by the same token, the Saints might not be all that great.

I wouldn't be surprised if it went either way, but don't expect us to be easy no matter what the result. We've always played you guys in particular tough no matter how bad we've been.

Good Luck to your team.

Go Big Red!

[turbodiesel#44]

Cards Fan here



I wouldn't be surprised if it went either way, but don't expect us to be easy no matter what the result.

Good Luck to your team.


Don't come on here and trash talk us. BTW, we want one of your receivers. :D

[Red-Head]

Don't come on here and trash talk us. BTW, we want one of your receivers. :D


Uhh....what? I wasn't trash-talking unless you consider saying that it'll be a close game is trash talk....????



And uhhhh...NO
hehehe

[turbodiesel#44]

Uhh....what? I wasn't trash-talking unless you consider saying that it'll be a close game is trash talk....????



And uhhhh...NO
heheheI was teasing you about your weak smack. Respectful fans of any team are welcome here.

[Red-Head]

I was teasing you about your weak smack. Respectful fans of any team are welcome here.


hah...good times


Santana would make a nice no. 3 receiver here in AZ...how's that?:D

[turbodiesel#44]

hah...good times


Santana would make a nice no. 3 receiver here in AZ...how's that?:DWho are you offering?

[DButz65]

Who are you offering?


Vinny is that you???????? :silly:

[Taylor4Life]

hah...good times


Santana would make a nice no. 3 receiver here in AZ...how's that?:D

Now that I've found a rare breed that is a Cardinals fan, there's something that I've been wondering about. What is the fanbase's take on the Matt Leinart situation? Do they still hold out hope that he'll be a franchise QB? Or have they given up on him?

[STBonecrusher21]

**** the Cardinals.

Sorry. I take roids.

[turbodiesel#44]

Vinny is that you???????? :silly:Namecalling is against the rules here. I think.

[iMeast]

You were in RFK last year? how is it watching a invisible game? :)



Oh man would you like some ointment?





















For that wicked burn! :cardsuck:

HTTR

[DButz65]

Namecalling is against the rules here. I think.


LOL is that a derogatory word to some? I guess here on ES it is :rolleyes: :laugh:

[SkinsNoles21]

There are Cardinals fans?

[turbodiesel#44]

There are Cardinals fans?
Yes, but there are more Whooping Cranes.

[Skinned]

The NFC East is undefeated outside of the NFC East. The division is the beast of the league. We heard the same thing from the Lions fans last year when they came in here 3-1 (their one prior loss was the NFCE Eagles) and we beat them 34-3, Same thing last week from the Saints fans who called us horrible and they were sent packing as well.

It always amazes me when opposing fans are so high on their own Kool-Aid that they completely underestimate us.... :D

[Sticksboi05]

Look, the thing is, Warner moves at .0001 MPH and we have two speed DE's and excellent blitz schemes. Warner WILL throw at least one INT. Sorry you guys are so excited to be 2-0 but anyone can beat San Fran and the freakin' Dolphins.

[Red-Head]

Skinned: As far as I have seen, Cards fans have been viewing this as a tough, close matchup either team could win. I have seen far more "F*** 'em they're the same ol' Cards" type comments here, than I have "We're gonna roll the Skins" on the Cards board.




Now that I've found a rare breed that is a Cardinals fan, there's something that I've been wondering about. What is the fanbase's take on the Matt Leinart situation? Do they still hold out hope that he'll be a franchise QB? Or have they given up on him?



I think there's a sizable minority that think he's a failure and we should trade him all of a sudden because we he got beat out for the starting job by a HOFer and Jay Cutler had two decent games (Class of '06 QBS). But I think the majority of us realize that the jury is still out on him, and Warner's the guy who gives us the best chance now and we'll let Matt sit and learn and get ready for a few years down the road.

[Skinned]

Skinned: As far as I have seen, Cards fans have been viewing this as a tough, close matchup either team could win. I have seen far more "F*** 'em they're the same ol' Cards" type comments here, than I have "We're gonna roll the Skins" on the Cards board.


True, I am just referring to the OP who thinks the Cards will come in here and win 31-17. That to me is just not realistic. He also mentions that beating bad teams is what good teams do. Well, regardless of how the Skins beat the Cards last year, they still got the job done. Still, this will be a tough matchup for us and the first real test for them.

[LD0506]

I see this the same way as I see playing the "What if?" game when you buy a lotto ticket, hope springs eternal. The Cards are 2-0, let 'em enjoy the moment, it ain't gonna last.

It has to be hard being a Cards fan, we don't need to rub their noses in it.

It is somewhat interesting to actually see Cards fans, kinda like having a unicorn walk through the yard

[bnewbs]

So the Cards beat a team that was trying out 3 different QBs for the starting job...and a team that was one overtime play away from being completely winless in a season last year and think they are the greatest show on turf with Warner? Come on man, the one good player on the 9ers D is Willis and the Dolphins have publicly proclaimed this is a rebuilding year for them...that being said I don't think the Skins will blow the Cards out but I bet that Landry is gonna lay out one of your receivers and give em alligator arms and old man Warner is gonna face a whole lot more Dline pressure than he's seen this year so far...close game, more of a defensive matchup than a shoot out probably 21-17 Skins on top

cheers to no injuries on both teams

[Ray Brown]

It is somewhat interesting to actually see Cards fans, kinda like having a unicorn walk through the yard

:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

[dizzinator53]

Holy ****! The Cardinals have fans?

[Red-Head]

I see this the same way as I see playing the "What if?" game when you buy a lotto ticket, hope springs eternal. The Cards are 2-0, let 'em enjoy the moment, it ain't gonna last.

It has to be hard being a Cards fan, we don't need to rub their noses in it.

It is somewhat interesting to actually see Cards fans, kinda like having a unicorn walk through the yard


hah, cheers!


But hey seriously, to all you posters making fun of us for not having a large fanbase, apply that logic to every NFL Team (more fans=better, less=worse)


Who comes out on top?


The Cowpies!!!



I think we can agree on this one...



Go Cards!

[zoony]

Our D has a history of doing very well against 1 dimensional teams.

[Red-Head]

Our D has a history of doing very well against 1 dimensional teams.


Beware the Edge, while not explosive, he has a history of doing just enough to keep defenses guessing. We're 7-0 when he rushes for over 100 yards.

[stp240]

The Redskins are a better team than the cardinals...

its fact....

and its been that way....oh yea...forever

52-6 Redskins =)

[STBonecrusher21]

Beware the Edge, while not explosive, he has a history of doing just enough to keep defenses guessing. We're 7-0 when he rushes for over 100 yards.

Tell Edge to beware of London Fletcher. I'm sorry, Edge screwed himself with he left Indy.

[Red-Head]

The Redskins are a better team than the cardinals...

its fact....

and its been that way....oh yea...forever

52-6 Redskins =)


I dunno, as bad as we've been, we've always seemed to bite you guys in the butt from time to time..tough old NFCE rivalry.

Just sayin' you might not wanna write us off, that's all...




Go Big Red!

[Oldskool]

Beware the Edge, while not explosive, he has a history of doing just enough to keep defenses guessing. We're 7-0 when he rushes for over 100 yards.

3.5 YPC against the Rams and the Fins. Beware the Edge? Seriously?

Between the RFK comment, the erroneous top 12 defense last 3 years claim and now this, I'm starting to wonder about the sanity of Cards fans. :doh:

[Red-Head]

Tell Edge to beware of London Fletcher. I'm sorry, Edge screwed himself with he left Indy.


He's done pretty well for us when he gets good blocking.....I wouldn't write him off as a solid back that can help a passing team win by staying balanced if I were you....


;)

[#21Taylor4Ever]

Guy came in here waiving his friendship flag and ends up with a burgundy and gold colonoscopy. Hahahaha!

Wrong stats, wrong stadium, wrong team!!!!!

Skins - 33

Cards - 17

[Ray Brown]

you said yall were 7-0 when edge went over a 100 yds a game? how long has he played for you? 2 years? 7 100 yd games? that doesn't scare me. edge wont get 100 on our D. im more concrened about hightop.

[REDSKINS8181]

I think this will be a very close game that the Skins manage to win. 31-17 Cards? I think you're a little overconfident there, buddy.

By the way, who knew the Cardinals had fans? :whoknows: Seriously, I'm pretty sure I've never met a Cardinals fan in my life.

I've met one....only one...but then again, I live in Arizona.

[Red-Head]

3.5 YPC against the Rams and the Fins. Beware the Edge? Seriously?

Between the RFK comment, the erroneous top 12 defense last 3 years claim and now this, I'm starting to wonder about the sanity of Cards fans. :doh:



If you'd watched the 9ers game and saw our T.O.P. in the 2nd half, you'd know why ;). I never said he was Willie Parker. He's a plodder whose longest run might be 9 yds in a single game, but the point is, when he plays well (in that sense), he can silently set up his team for a win pretty inconspicuosly, in the same way that a good O-Line can.


Our D has been pretty solid and shown flashes at times over the past couple years, EXCEPT when we've sustained injuries.


The RFK comment, I didn't make so I can't vouch for.

A lot of the posters on your board here seem pretty arrogant and unknowledgeable about the opponent. I know that's not everyone, but maybe you should suggest they'd be more welcome with their kindred spirits in Dallas and Philly...:D

[Red-Head]

you said yall were 7-0 when edge went over a 100 yds a game? how long has he played for you? 2 years? 7 100 yd games? that doesn't scare me. edge wont get 100 on our D. im more concrened about hightop.



I didn't say he's done that a lot, but rather to remind you that the Cardinals are the sort of team that when you play them, it's in your best interest to take them seriously, or we could sneak up on you and make it a not so happy day in Maryland.


And we can win shootouts, too, we don't need Edge per se, he just increases our chances season-long by virtue of making us a more balanced team. Tell Carlos "Butterfingers" Rogers to strap his helmet on tight....


:cheers:

[Red-Head]

I've met one....only one...but then again, I live in Arizona.


And Living here in the DC Area I meet as many Cowboys and Steeler fans as I do Skins fans everyday....


:point2sky:doh::)

[Peregrine]

1) You guys are not giving the cardinals D enough credit. We have been top 12 for the last 3 years. Clancy Penderghast runs a scheme much like the eagles but more flexible.

3) All the things you say the skins must do to stop the cards (ie pressure Warner, Run the ball on our D) They have all been posted on the Phins and 49ers site over and over. It has yet to be done. And the 9ers front 7 are not walk overs either.

Did we play 2 bad teams? Yes. Did we beat them badly? Yes that is what good teams are supposed to do. .

I dont know where you get your figures from, but its not even close to being correct. Everybody knows the Cardinals strength is their offense. It has been that way for years(a top 10 offense at times), yet the team has struggled just to reach mediocracy. Please explain to me how that happens with a top 12 defense as well? It doesnt. The Cards defense last year was 17th in total yards, and around 24th in points allowed. In 2006, they were at the bottom of the NFL in both categories. In 2005, 26th in points allowed. 3 straight years of being ranked 24th in points allowed, or worse. Your D doesnt deserve credit.

Yes, you played bad teams, and you beat them like you should. But dont mistake the Redskins D for the Dolphins or the 49ers. The 49ers front seven has nothing on the Redskins, and our D is one that can(and almost always does) stop the run, and now can finally pressure the passer too.

Im not saying the Skins are going to win, or that the Cardinals stink, but its pretty apparent you didnt do your research.

[MustangSteve]

WOW at 31-17
You guys are much better then you were last year, and we are still wondering how good we really are being in this new system. It's possible you could beat us, but our defense is no slouch for sure.

It's also possible we could light your Cards up bigtime, we have some pretty good weapons on offense ourselves. And if JC has a hot hand this game, you guys will be in some serious trouble, thats a fact.

[zoony]

didn't I read somewhere that the Cardinals are the 2nd oldest franchise in the league behind the packers (or bears, cant remember)?

[Oldskool]

If you'd watched the 9ers game and saw our T.O.P. in the 2nd half, you'd know why ;). I never said he was Willie Parker. He's a plodder whose longest run might be 9 yds in a single game, but the point is, when he plays well (in that sense), he can silently set up his team for a win pretty inconspicuosly, in the same way that a good O-Line can.

At this point in his career and with the way that the Cards O-line run blocks, he's serviceable but not the main concern of any defense. His longest run this year to date is 13 yards, so that states it all.


Our D has been pretty solid and shown flashes at times over the past couple years, EXCEPT when we've sustained injuries.

I can't speak of your injuries as I don't know THAT much about your team, but considering that you play in the weak NFCW, your defense overall the last few years has been less than impressive and your Achilles heel.

2007: 17th in the league http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...1&d-447263-n=1

2006: 29th in the league http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go

2005: 8th in the league http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...true&Submit=Go



The RFK comment, I didn't make so I can't vouch for.
Fair enough. Won't take you to task for something you didn't say.


A lot of the posters on your board here seem pretty arrogant and unknowledgeable about the opponent. I know that's not everyone, but maybe you should suggest they'd be more welcome with their kindred spirits in Dallas and Philly...:D

You get that anywhere you go on any sports forum. The fact that you are a fan of a team that is an upcoming opponent doesn't help your cause either. :cool:

[Red-Head]

didn't I read somewhere that the Cardinals are the 2nd oldest franchise in the league behind the packers (or bears, cant remember)?

Cardinals are actually the OLDEST franchise in the league dating back to 1898!

[turbodiesel#44]

A lot of the posters on your board here seem pretty arrogant and unknowledgeable about the opponent.
A lot? There are only a couple cards fans posting here.

[Red-Head]

WOW at 31-17
You guys are much better then you were last year, and we are still wondering how good we really are being in this new system. It's possible you could beat us, but our defense is no slouch for sure.

It's also possible we could light your Cards up bigtime, we have some pretty good weapons on offense ourselves. And if JC has a hot hand this game, you guys will be in some serious trouble, thats a fact.


IMO, Cards could blow it open just as well, by that same token, but more than likely this game will be decided by 7pts or less.

[STBonecrusher21]

A lot? There are only a couple cards fans posting here.

Hahahahahah!!!
:cheers:

[Oldskool]

didn't I read somewhere that the Cardinals are the 2nd oldest franchise in the league behind the packers (or bears, cant remember)?

Both the cards and the bears were founded in 1920, which should make them the oldest teams.

[Red-Head]

A lot? There are only a couple cards fans posting here.

tee hee.
Don't worry, I know my opponent well...:applause:

[ciresolstice]

Until I read ( you were at RFK) and the amount of points you think your Cards will beat us by...I could appreciate your perspective. Then it got silly. Moving on.

[Red-Head]

Both the cards and the bears were founded in 1920, which should make them the oldest teams.


Wikipedia:

The Cardinals are the oldest continuous professional American football club in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals#cite_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals#cite_note-autogenerated1-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals#cite_note-2) The team was formed in 1898 as the Morgan Athletic Club in Chicago. The club was then called the Racine Normals since they were originally located in Normal Park on Chicago's Racine Avenue (not Racine, Wisconsin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racine,_Wisconsin), as mistaken in the notes from an early APFA meeting). They then changed their name to the Racine Cardinals after they started wearing dark reddish uniforms, inherited from the collegiate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA) Chicago Maroons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Chicago). This hand-me-down, low-budget situation would prove to be a good metaphor for the team's chronology.


This is common knowledge among Cards fans, at least.

[Oldskool]

Wikipedia:

The Cardinals are the oldest continuous professional American football club in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals#cite_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals#cite_note-autogenerated1-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals#cite_note-2) The team was formed in 1898 as the Morgan Athletic Club in Chicago. The club was then called the Racine Normals since they were originally located in Normal Park on Chicago's Racine Avenue (not Racine, Wisconsin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racine,_Wisconsin), as mistaken in the notes from an early APFA meeting). They then changed their name to the Racine Cardinals after they started wearing dark reddish uniforms, inherited from the collegiate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA) Chicago Maroons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Chicago). This hand-me-down, low-budget situation would prove to be a good metaphor for the team's chronology.


This is common knowledge among Cards fans, at least.

NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=ARI

Founded: 1920

Stadium: University of Phoenix Stadium

Tickets: 480-784-4444

[ArsheimSkins]

I stick by my 42-17 skins prediction. F them. F the OP. and HAIL TO THE REDSKINS

....and i'm classless :(

[Red-Head]

NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=ARI

Founded: 1920

Stadium: University of Phoenix Stadium

Tickets: 480-784-4444



They joined the NFL in 1920.

[STBonecrusher21]

They joined the NFL in 1920.

Yep! That's what it said! Good job!!!!!!

[Oldskool]

They joined the NFL in 1920.

The original question was "didn't I read somewhere that the Cardinals are the 2nd oldest franchise in the league behind the packers (or bears, cant remember)?"

So you joined the league (read: NFL) in 1920, correct?

[Red-Head]

Yep! That's what it said! Good job!!!!!!


"Joined the NFL" and "Were Founded in.." are qualitatively different statements...kind of like how there were AFL teams in the 60's before they joined the NFL in the merger.


*cough* Reading Comprehension 101 *cough*....

[Red-Head]

Both the cards and the bears were founded in 1920, which should make them the oldest teams.



He said "founded" and I told him what year we were founded. Simple.

[Oldskool]

"Joined the NFL" and "Were Founded in.." are qualitatively different statements...kind of like how there were AFL teams in the 60's before they joined the NFL in the merger.


*cough* Reading Comprehension 101 *cough*....

So you're nitpicking against me when you were wrong in your statement as to the oldest team in the league? Nice.

Fact is the original question was about the oldest team in the league not the oldest football club in the USA.

Logic and comprehension 102.

[Sandman69]

Cardinals are actually the OLDEST franchise in the league dating back to 1898!

Yup they are the oldest Football franchise for sure. Also, only have 1 playoff win. They are the NFL's Redsox. I actually grew up with a Cards fan in my youth. He was a little delusional, but they were Good times... ;)

I don't blow off any team we play, not until we know more of what we have. But Go-Cards coming here with the peace pipe and spouting wrong information and basically saying the Cards are gonna smoke us :jerk: , should be expected to draw some arrows back. :gang:

I think it could should be a good game, but think if JC of last week shows up it could get ugly for the Racine Cardinals.
How are yahl liking the new Normal Park Stadium?

FYI :cardsuck:

Edit : My bad, misinformation I suppose. Guess the one playoff win was after the AFL NFL merger.

[STBonecrusher21]

"Joined the NFL" and "Were Founded in.." are qualitatively different statements...kind of like how there were AFL teams in the 60's before they joined the NFL in the merger.


*cough* Reading Comprehension 101 *cough*....

Hmm. Well, alright. "1898." That's 110 years, and only 2, I repeat, 2 Championships to show for it.

You shoulda just went with the 1920 thing.

[Sandman69]

Wikipedia:

The Cardinals are the oldest continuous professional American football club in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals#cite_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals#cite_note-autogenerated1-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals#cite_note-2) The team was formed in 1898 as the Morgan Athletic Club in Chicago. The club was then called the Racine Normals since they were originally located in Normal Park on Chicago's Racine Avenue (not Racine, Wisconsin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racine,_Wisconsin), as mistaken in the notes from an early APFA meeting). They then changed their name to the Racine Cardinals after they started wearing dark reddish uniforms, inherited from the collegiate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA) Chicago Maroons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Chicago). This hand-me-down, low-budget situation would prove to be a good metaphor for the team's chronology.


This is common knowledge among Cards fans, at least.

Damn beat me to my post... O Well... Still :cardsuck:

[Red-Head]

So you're nitpicking against me when you were wrong in your statement as to the oldest team in the league? Nice.

Fact is the original question was about the oldest team in the league not the oldest football club in the USA.

Logic and comprehension 102.


Did I say I was responding to the original question? Or rather maybe it'd be more prudent of you to assume that I was answering the post I actually quoted in which you said that we were "founded in 1920", an incorrect statement.

Leave Leaping (in logic) to this guy:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44053000/jpg/_44053501_gridiron300.jpg

[Red-Head]

Hmm. Well, alright. "1898." That's 110 years, and only 2, I repeat, 2 Championships to show for it.

You shoulda just went with the 1920 thing.



You shoulda just stuck with staying in school.... :-p

[Red-Head]

Yup they are the oldest Football franchise for sure. Also, only have 1 playoff win. They are the NFL's Redsox. I actually grew up with a Cards fan in my youth. He was a little delusional, but they were Good times... ;)

I don't blow off any team we play, not until we know more of what we have. But Go-Cards coming here with the peace pipe and spouting wrong information and basically saying the Cards are gonna smoke us :jerk: , should be expected to draw some arrows back. :gang:

I think it could should be a good game, but think if JC of last week shows up it could get ugly for the Racine Cardinals.
How are yahl liking the new Normal Park Stadium?

FYI :cardsuck:

Edit : My bad, misinformation I suppose. Guess the one playoff win was after the AFL NFL merger.



Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, buddy, the only person smoking anything is Anquan on Butterfingers Rogers.....;)

[STBonecrusher21]

You shoulda just stuck with staying in school.... :-p

Yea. I woulda changed the subject too.

Take it easy 2:110.

[Red-Head]

Yea. I woulda changed the subject too.

Take it easy 2:110.

No, no, no, see that's the problem, you really can't change the subject if you keep failing and not graduating! Keep at it, bud! You learn talk pretty someday too !

:D

[Sandman69]

No, no, no, see that's the problem, you really can't change the subject if you keep failing and not graduating! Keep at it, bud!

:D

And just how are you succeeding and passing?

[STBonecrusher21]

No, no, no, see that's the problem, you really can't change the subject if you keep failing and not graduating! Keep at it, bud! You learn talk pretty someday too !

:D

Looks like I gotta go through this reallllly slowly. You guys have one Championships in 1925, and 1947. Ok? That's 2 Championships.

You burned calories trying to make everyone believe you've been a team since 1898. Now, this part may get tricky.

This year is 2008. If you take 2008, and subtract 1898, that leaves 110 years, the number of years you've been a franchise.

Like I said, take it easy 2:110.

[Red-Head]

And just how are you succeeding and passing?


Succeeding AND Passing?

Like this:

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80ade11a

[Red-Head]

Looks like I gotta go through this reallllly slowly. You guys have one Championships in 1925, and 1947. Ok? That's 2 Championships.

You burned calories trying to make everyone believe you've been a team since 1898. Now, this part may get tricky.

This year is 2008. If you take 2008, and subtract 1898, that leaves 110 years, the number of years you've been a franchise.

Like I said, take it easy 2:110.


Did I ever say anything about any championships? No.
You seem to be shadow boxing with yourself...

[STBonecrusher21]

Did I ever say anything about any championships? No.
You seem to be shadow boxing with yourself...

I'm pretty sure your borderline, uh, mentally challenged.

Mods, can we get rid of this special person?

[turbodiesel#44]

I'm pretty sure your borderline, uh, mentally challenged.

I think it's called recarded in AZ. Let him have his fun, he'll get a "special" medal on Sunday. They all will.

[Red-Head]

I'm pretty sure your borderline, uh, mentally challenged.

Mods, can we get rid of this special person?


And what's your basis for that assertion? The fact that I logically trumped all of your arguments?

So you were proved off-basis consistently, and you're upset about it, so you go cry to get me banned? Welcome to the real world. Learn to swim.

[STBonecrusher21]

And what's your basis for that assertion? The fact that I logically trumped all of your arguments?

So you were proved off-basis consistently, and you're upset about it, so you go cry to get me banned? Welcome to the real world. Learn to swim.

If that was you "logically trumping" my arguments, then I was right with what I assumed you to be.

And how was talking about your franchises' history, which was what the previous statements were referring to, off basis.

I want you banned, because you bring nothing to the board. You are what we call a troll. Sorry, I don't like swimming in the "special people's pool", I'm going over here with the grown ups.

[Red-Head]

If that was you "logically trumping" my arguments, then I was right with what I assumed you to be.

And how was talking about your franchises' history, which was what the previous statements were referring to, off basis.

I want you banned, because you bring nothing to the board. You are what we call a troll. Sorry, I don't like swimming in the "special people's pool", I'm going over here with the grown ups.


Really? Because I was discussing a factual error about the date of the team's founding, not anything about how many championships we've won. The fact remains: you're really just debating yourself, and hoping that I listen in.


Way to make fun of defenseless mentally-handicapped people while you're at it.

[Red-Head]

I'm done; this is asinine.


Does anyone here actually want to talk football?

[STBonecrusher21]

Quit making fun of the fact that my team has only won 2 Championships in 110 years! Stop!

Because there's no witty comeback I can think of to defend myself.

Wait! I got an idea! I'll change the subject. Yeaaaaa. That'll by me some time.

Fixed that for ya.

[Ray Brown]

hooray for bickering.

[Sandman69]

:gus:
:redpunch:
:hammer:
:soapbox:

PS I love that the first one is named Gus, that is classic!

[Ikaros]

ok less history lessons, more future talk. aka - the cards gettin their arse stomped!

[Sandman69]

I predict

38 - 27 Skins

[STBonecrusher21]

Sorry for my rants everyone.

I still say Skins 27-17.

[Ray Brown]

i got skins 24-17 with the cards scoring a worthless TD late.

[MD.C RedskinsFan]

Strange thread here. I think this week alone sets a record for the amount of trash talk I've witnessed from Cardinals fans (not particularly in this thread though)

I wonder how prepared Mike Gandy and Levi Brown will be against Andre Carter and Jason Taylor in keeping Kurt Warner off of the floor.

[Capital Card]

Greetings Skin fans.

I'm a bit south of most of you now, but lived in DC for several years (Bethesda, MD area). I've been to many games at FedEx from the Cards days in the NFC east, and last years match-up, where we were a missed FG away from victory.

Unfortunately, a family obligation prevents me from making the trip up this year, but I'm hoping to chat with a few of you over the next few days. As most of my friends are also Redskin fans, this is always a very special match-up for me.

I've no illusions that this will be an easy victory for either team. Washington is always strong at home, has a stout defense, solid rushing attack, and 90K+ screaming fans that make FedEx a very difficult place for visiting teams.

The Cards have historically been bad overall, worse on the road, and especially putrid while making the long trip to the East Coast. I will say though, that in the 21 years I've followed this team, these are the best players and coaching staff we've ever had, so you'll have to forgive us if we're a bit giddier than normal.

My assesment of this weeks match-up:
As I said earlier, last year's game was very close, coming down to a missed field goal, despite a one-armed Kurt Warner and the worst safety in football (Terrence Holt). This years Cardinal team is coming to DC healthy and better prepared - having spent a full year in the same system.

For the first time ever, we have quality depth, which we'll use to rotate defensive players, thus; keeping them all fresh come 4th quarter. Another first for us, a respectable coaching staff who are all heavily influenced by the Steelers, Parcells, and even the Redskins winning traditions. The team is currently brimming with confidence (granted our first two wins this year were over SF and Miami, but we also finished the 2007 season 5-3, during which Kurt Warner and the offense put up top 3 offense statistics).

I think we're still a bit vulnerable to the ground game and screens, so I suspect Portis will score a TD, probably 2. I'm still not sold on Campbell as a successful QB, and I don't think most of you are yet either, so I'll be surprised if he gets a TD through the air. I still think y'all are in transition, trying to decide how much west-coast offense, and how much Gibbs counter-trey offense you're going to ultimately be. Tack on a FG or two and I think the Skins can expect to lay 17-20 on us.

Cards have scored 20 or more in the last 10 games, and realistically we'll struggle to keep that streak alive. I like our passing attack against anyone's secondary, so we should get 2-3 TD's there. Our FG kicker has been in a major funk for the last year, but he's money when it comes to onside kicks (I think we recovered 2 from you last year). Hopefully Rackers will make at least one.

Put me down for a 24-20 Cardinal victory, hopefully without any injuries for either team.

[Capital Card]

I wonder how prepared Mike Gandy and Levi Brown will be against Andre Carter and Jason Taylor in keeping Kurt Warner off of the floor.

I'm nervous about this as well. Gandy only gave up 1 sack last year (a stat I have to keep looking up because I don't believe it myself), although as I recall, he was injured and missed the Redskin game last year. Levi Brown was just coming off of injury, and was abused last year. He's looked better this year, but he's by no means a finished product.

No doubt, both have their work cut out for them.:2cents:

Go Cards!!!

[RRick]

I do like the cardinals, and if they can keep Boldin and improve the running game they will be a pretty good team in a couple of years, and maybe able to dominate the NFC west.
The defense is really nice, they fly to the ball just like the all the teams do in our division. I also like the Coaching staff, Mainly Russ Grimm. He has been trying to get them to play Tuff man ball since he has been there.

Which leads me to The bad part. The Redskins Staff and players are taking the Cards very Seriously. Especially with the recent up-roar around here, they will be out to prove something pretty damn Bad. SMASH MOUTH BALL.

Now when the Cardinals come here, its going to be like, when those "Pride" MMA fighters come to the UFC; NOT PRETTY. The Redskins are Built and battle tested week in and week out, on that type Football.
Last Year was the Cardinals best time to beat the skins, only because Gibbs likes to "let Up", and sit on lead. Which allowed the cardinals to inch back into the game after getting punched in the mouth By our Back Up's who were playing on the line.

Now we have this, Crazy Gun slinging, balls out Head Coach, who passes the ball on 4th and 1, to end a game. Yes, He did that, Against the Offensive and dangerous Brees, and Bush of the Saints.
Dude,... Unlike last year,...There will be no "Let-up", in the 4th. Zorn is going to put up atleast 10 - 14 pts up in the 4th , just to get Jason, Moss, Cooley, Kelly, and Portis into 4min game rhythm(synch) to prepare for our next 2 games; (He loves Momentum).


Defensively Sheesh,... Dolphins, and 49ers Defense VS Redskins Defense, Simply No-Comparison.
I think you know that if you watched our last years (Redskins vs. Cardinals) game, and now we have Jason Taylor OMG!. Just be glad the Cardinals are no longer in the NFC EAST.

Should be a good game, and enjoy Boldin while you can. Next year he’ll lining up in a 3wr set with Moss, and Kelly. Giving Jason Campbell, a Big target over the middle and blocking for Portis on those Zone Stretch plays.

[stevemcqueen1]

I think the real story of this post is that, Hey! Cardinals fans do exist!

On a side note, if there are touchdowns to be had by the Cardinals, I hope it's Tim Hightower that gets them. He graduated along with me from Richmond and he is a tremendous player from our small obscure football program. Good Luck Tim, may you score lots of touchdowns in every game except this one. (and any subsequent playoff meetings between these teams if they happen)

[Sandman69]

And then two intelligent realistic Card fans come show up!

I really think this will be a good game, and my earlier score prediction could be the bourbon talking.

Lets hope both teams make it out without any serious injuries!

:cardsuck:

[Ray Brown]

On a side note, if there are touchdowns to be had by the Cardinals, I hope it's Tim Hightower that gets them. He graduated along with me from Richmond and he is a tremendous player from our small obscure football program. Good Luck Tim, may you score lots of touchdowns in every game except this one. (and any subsequent playoff meetings between these teams if they happen)

i too wish tim continued success, not too much against us though. we played together in high school. the kid is a stud.

[Capital Card]

...but I bet that Landry is gonna lay out one of your receivers and give em alligator arms ...

Don't mean to point you out specifically here, but I've read this comment in here a few times.

Don't get me wrong, Landry is a solid player (I think our own Adrian Wilson is better), but NFL.com lists Landry at 6'0" and 202lbs.

Q (That's Anquan Boldin) is 6'1" and 217lbs.
Fitz is 6'3" and 220lbs.

Both practice against Adrian Wilson daily, and frankly, I've seen Anquan put several safety's down, run angry with the ball - looking to get a hit on the defender.

Don't get me wrong, Landry may indeed get a big lick in, but if he's not careful, he may not be the one who gets up afterwards.

Go Cards!!!

[Ray Brown]

Don't mean to point you out specifically here, but I've read this comment in here a few times.

Don't get me wrong, Landry is a solid player (I think our own Adrian Wilson is better), but NFL.com lists Landry at 6'0" and 202lbs.

Q (That's Anquan Boldin) is 6'1" and 217lbs.
Fitz is 6'3" and 220lbs.

Both practice against Adrian Wilson daily, and frankly, I've seen Anquan put several safety's down, run angry with the ball - looking to get a hit on the defender.

Don't get me wrong, Landry may indeed get a big lick in, but if he's not careful, he may not be the one who gets up afterwards.

Go Cards!!!

tell adrian wilson to watch out for chris cooley or mike sellers. the kids good, but i'd take landry anyday. not that this matters, but it wouldn't even be a discussion if 21 was still roaming the secondary.

[TheREALJBird]

Beware the Edge, while not explosive, he has a history of doing just enough to keep defenses guessing. We're 7-0 when he rushes for over 100 yards.

I love edge, he's a U alumni after all:D. But I just can't see the guy getting 100 yards against our D, he's towards the end of his career unfortunately. That whole drafting JJ Arrington thing never worked out for yall either. I got no beef with the cards generally, except when they play us:)

[Capital Card]

Defensively Sheesh,... Dolphins, and 49ers Defense VS Redskins Defense, Simply No-Comparison.
I think you know that if you watched our last game, and now we have Jason Taylor OMG!. Just be glad the Cardinals are no longer in the NFC EAST.



Yea, quite the defensive clinic put on by both the Cowboys and Eagles of the NFC EAST the other night.

:cool:

[Capital Card]

I love edge, he's a U alumni after all:D. But I just can't see the guy getting 100 yards against our D, he's towards the end of his career unfortunately. That whole drafting JJ Arrington thing never worked out for yall either. I got no beef with the cards generally, except when they play us:)

Sadly, I agree. If we move the ball, it will be through the air.

[Ray Brown]

Yea, quite the defensive clinic put on by both the Cowboys and Eagles of the NFC EAST the other night.

:cool:

those are probably the best two teams in the NFC right now. that was the product of great offense. neither of those teams defenses are slack at all.

[Capital Card]

tell adrian wilson to watch out for chris cooley or mike sellers. the kids good, but i'd take landry anyday. not that this matters, but it wouldn't even be a discussion if 21 was still roaming the secondary.

I think we've all seen enough of Cooley for awhile.

[Ray Brown]

I think we've all seen enough of Cooley for awhile.


hahah touche my friend, touche.

[No_Pressure]

I lost all respect for that one Cardinals fan around page 9 when he referred to Carlos Rogers as "butterfingers".

Everybody knows his nickname is stone-hands. Damn.

[Red-Head]

I lost all respect for that one Cardinals fan around page 9 when he referred to Carlos Rogers as "butterfingers".

Everybody knows his nickname is stone-hands. Damn.


Oh, That's right. "butterfingers" was Brandon Lloyd. My Bad...

[Ray Brown]

Oh, That's right. "butterfingers" was Brandon Lloyd. My Bad...

brandon llyod never warranted a nickname. perhaps, worthless, waste of money, etc would apply.

[Truant]

I live in AZ and it's laughable how these Cards fans are coming out of the woodwork. How does a team not open the year 2-0 for about 15 years? You can't buy that type of futility.

It's not wrong for Cards fans to predict a win, I just have a problem with these fans that are coming out of their caves and talking trash because they beat the 9ers and Dolphins.

(i'm not talking about the Cards fans here, I mean the people I'm running into you)

With these two teams, throw everything out the window. It's always close and the team that plays better doesn't always win.

Warner is a better choice then Leinart. Matt's lack of dedication to the offense helped Wiz make the right choice at QB. Boldin is driving up his value and he's either going to make the Cards figure out a creative way to get him paid, or he'll be traded for a plethora of picks.

Wilson and Rolle are nice at safety. I felt people were too hard on Rolle, but his game against Cincy last year highlighted the potential he has in space. We all know Dansby. The OLBs in the 3-4 are deep and can offer a good pass rush.


Anyhow, if Warner plays how he is, it'll be really tough to keep up with the Cards. But, how long can Warner play turnover-free football? Hopefully it starts this weekend.

[Red-Head]

I live in AZ and it's laughable how these Cards fans are coming out of the woodwork. How does a team not open the year 2-0 for about 15 years? You can't buy that type of futility.

It's not wrong for Cards fans to predict a win, I just have a problem with these fans that are coming out of their caves and talking trash because they beat the 9ers and Dolphins.



With these two teams, throw everything out the window. It's always close and the team that plays better doesn't always win.

Warner is a better choice then Leinart. Matt's lack of dedication to the offense helped Wiz make the right choice at QB. Boldin is driving up his value and he's either going to make the Cards figure out a creative way to get him paid, or he'll be traded for a plethora of picks.

Wilson and Rolle are nice at safety. I felt people were too hard on Rolle, but his game against Cincy last year highlighted the potential he has in space. We all know Dansby. The OLBs in the 3-4 are deep and can offer a good pass rush.


Anyhow, if Warner plays how he is, it'll be really tough to keep up with the Cards. But, how long can Warner play turnover-free football? Hopefully it starts this weekend.


Yeah, we'll take em where we can get em.


I think'll it be a close game, but c'mon, a little sh*t-talk never hurt anybody...

[skins2victory]

To the Mr. Card fan, it will probably be a good game. But I would be surprized if you guys don't leave DC with your first loss. Skins D is much better than what u guys have played against this year. Skins got some good momentum tp build on from last week. Skins win 24-13

[Nafniksder]

I miss having the Cards in the NFC East, those were two wins a year you could almost pencil in. Especially when Gibbs was here, I think that might be the best record a coach has had against any team. I think this is a good gauge game for both teams. Being that this is our last home game before we take on two division opponents on the road this is a must win for us. We are not taking the Cards lightly, if they win they will truly have to come in here and earn it.

HTTR

[EuroCard]

I love this kind of thread! Haven't laughed so much in weeks. Some inane comments from Cards fans and from Skins fans too. Some fans on both sides predicting a blow out, some on both sides deriding the other team, its great to have a feelgood ''my dad is better than your dad'' argument.

So who is going to be right. I honestly do not see a Skins blowout because this Cards team has a heart that some in the past have not had. They will not give up and they are playing some good football. The Niner D is not so bad and there offense can be potent too. If you had watched the Cards/Niners game you would have seen two pretty competent teams.

What about a Cards Blowout? I dunno, homefield advantage gives the D a step on the offense if you can bring the noise on every down. Landry is immense and is going to shut down one of our receivers, but we do have two really classy guys and he cannot be in two places at once. But a blow out only comes when either one team is much better than the other (definitely not the case here) or one team gives up when things turn sour. Will the Skins play to the final whistle if they fall a couple of scores back?

More likely is a very close game. Turnover ratio is going to be crucial, there is a lot of talk about gettiing to our QB, but yours is fragile too, can anyone tell me the last time he played back to back games well? The key matchups will be in the trenches though, if it is stalemate there then I think the Cards will shade the game; we just have more offensive weapons.

Whatever happens I hope it is a great game and no injuries to screw up the rest of the season for either of us. I will be sitting down in front of my 12 foot projected screen watching in High Def from the Netherlands, beer in hand, sound on full. I can't be there, but you may be able to hear me anyway! (I watched last years game from Kabul in Afghanistan, my house is a little less dusty and I will still be the only Cards fan in the room!)

[LD0506]

A lot of the posters on your board here seem pretty arrogant and unknowledgeable about the opponent. I know that's not everyone, but maybe you should suggest they'd be more welcome with their kindred spirits in Dallas and Philly...:D

awwww Red, you didn't have to go there.......... this is who we be, this is what we do while waitin for the game, don't take it personal

[HapHaszard]

You were in RFK watching a Saints Skins game, you either have magic mushrooms or a time machine.

[Stonoman]

Warner will meet Taylor at least three times Sunday.BTW who is your backup QB.You may need to warm him up fast.

[lanceman_1]

There are more Cards fans than you think. I saw a Cards fan riding on bigfoots back in Georgia one day.

[Cruemans]

i can find the dick to install it on my laptop

Dude, that is a *****, isn't it! :D

[rd421]

Let me say I hope we have an injury free and clean game. Also you guys seem to have a pretty fun/laid back forum here. I wish you luck the rest of the season just not this sunday.

First thing I noticed. You guys havent bashed the cards much and see its a tough game and I am not going to trash talk wither in your home but I want to point out a few items.

1) You guys are not giving the cardinals D enough credit. We have been top 12 for the last 3 years. Clancy Penderghast runs a scheme much like the eagles but more flexible.

Wilson is a beast that was ignored for 2 years in the Pro Bowl up until last year. Karlos Dansby is a franchise player playing on a 1 year contract. Dockett and Laboy are on fire. Our weakest spot in our secondary but it is solid as well and our top pick isnt even playing much.

2) I was in RFK last year (great place to watch a game, I wear my Tillman jersey and never get messed with LOL) and you guys played an extremely depleted cardinals team. Redskins have gotten better but so have the cards.

3) All the things you say the skins must do to stop the cards (ie pressure Warner, Run the ball on our D) They have all been posted on the Phins and 49ers site over and over. It has yet to be done. And the 9ers front 7 are not walk overs either.

We have a top 10 O, We have a top 10 D, Zero turnovers #1 in the League. Best 3rd down conversion percentage and the 2nd highest rated QB.

Did we play 2 bad teams? Yes. Did we beat them badly? Yes that is what good teams are supposed to do.

Cards 31 Skins 17

Good Luck the rest of the way and definately hope you pound the Cowfellons.


You know whats really funny these guys beat the freaking 49ers and the freaking Dolphins and you would think they are reining world champs. You have a top 12 defense because you play in a sissy division I wish we got to play the rams and 49ers 2x every year! All this crap about us beeing so terribel is just idiotic. We lost to the fraking Superbowl champs! I am in no way saying that the cards are bad or that we are going to kick the crap out of them or anything cocky, I am just stating facts the Cards have beaten 2 scrub teams who are more than likely going to be fighting for the number 1 overall pick in April.....:2cents:

[whatmeworry]

I'll give you this. Towards the end of the game you were wearing us down. Time just ran out on you. There's a new toughness about the Cardinals which I attribute to the coaching staff including Grimm. I don't think it's going to be an easy game by any means. Redskins by a touch.

[LD0506]

There are more Cards fans than you think. I saw a Cards fan riding on bigfoots back in Georgia one day.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i21/ThatDaveGuy7/Nowayman.jpg

[Sandman69]

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i21/ThatDaveGuy7/Nowayman.jpg

LOL! That was funny!

[Capital Card]

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i21/ThatDaveGuy7/Nowayman.jpg

I agree, this is pretty funny.

Truth, I was driving down Wisconsin Ave once and saw some guy walking in an AZ Cards jacket. I almost wrecked my car rubber-necking.

My wife said he probably lost a bet.

Go Cards!!!

[ST is my boy]

I agree, this is pretty funny.

Truth, I was driving down Wisconsin Ave once and saw some guy walking in an AZ Cards jacket. I almost wrecked my car rubber-necking.

My wife said he probably lost a bet.

Go Cards!!!

A Cardinal fan in VA??? WTF are you thinking?

[skin_finatic]

Hey Dan,

Trust me after 20 years of watching the cards I have the same motto!!!

you've been a cards fan for 20 years!? How are you still alive from all that stress?

[Sandman69]

I agree, this is pretty funny.

Truth, I was driving down Wisconsin Ave once and saw some guy walking in an AZ Cards jacket. I almost wrecked my car rubber-necking.

My wife said he probably lost a bet.

Go Cards!!!

I agree with your wife. Smart woman there! :cardsuck:

[jujuskinsfan]

This game could end up being a blowout for the skins or come down to the wire. If so, either teams have a chance to win the ball game. I just don't see the cards blowing out the Redskins 31-17 at FedEX! I think we have what it takes to shut down their passing attack. Remembet last year when we played the Lions, they were the best passing offense of the league and we kicked the **** out of them. I still think this will be a close game, pretty much like last year. To all the skins fans going at FedEX, be LOUD!!!! This should be a great game.

[pjfootballer]

Skinned: As far as I have seen, Cards fans have been viewing this as a tough, close matchup either team could win. I have seen far more "F*** 'em they're the same ol' Cards" type comments here, than I have "We're gonna roll the Skins" on the Cards board.


You really see that in here? All I've seen is people saying that 31-17 isn't realistic. Also, how would you feel if an opponent came in saying they would beat you in your house by at least 14 points. What type of response would you expect? Please find more than one quote in here that people have said we're going to "roll" on the Cards. One guy said 42-20, but that won't happen. I as others have, have said it will be another close game like last year and we'll probably win 24-17 or 20-17.

[pjfootballer]

I stand corrected. The more I read, the more outlandish scores I see from Skins fans. Come on guys, it's OK to feel we'll win it, but 52-6? 33-17? Be a little more realistic. I'll say 23-17.

[FunBunch7]

Living in Arizona as I do, I can tell you the people here are still not too jazzed about the Cardinals. It looks as thought they will indeed win the West, by default...but I think there is such a bitter taste in this town's mouth due to the Bidwills.

This team was on the cusp the seaosn they let Bugal go...he was 7-9 that year and had a top 5 offense, but they mandated he win 9 games.

Once this team gets close enogh where a key free agent or two could possible make them serious contenders, the Bidwills will refuse to pull the trigger.

You need to look no further than Anquan Boldin. He'll be a Cowoys, Eagle, Seahawk or Bengal next year, and then Fitzgerald will forever be double teamed.

[Mister Happy]

My bad. I was so used to use being top 10 before our injury plagued year.

How can you be used to having a top 10 defense, when you've had it ONCE in the last 13 years?

[RedskinsNation]

Redskins played as bad as they possible could last year and STILL won. This year we have a new offensive scheme in place and are far less conservative. I wouldnt expect the same offense that the Cards went up against in '07.

People are calling the Cardinals the Tampa Bay Rays of the NFL.

They better beat the Redskins this week or they will still be considered a joke in my book.

The Cards are going to win some games this year...almost by default as that NFC WACK division is a joke...the Rams? Seahawks? 49ers? There will be 3 double digit loss teams in that division.

I think the Skins will win by a field goal.

[kingjames]

I see a game much like last year when we crushed the lions. skins 42-16

[Mister Happy]

In our last game we had a 21-6 lead going into the 4th quarter before Gibbs went into play-not-to-lose mode.

Thomas, Jansen and Rabach were out, so Portis didn't have the production he could have. That especially hurt us late in the game when all we did was run-run-pass-punt. That's when the Cards made their comeback.

[cyfar]

Let me say I hope we have an injury free and clean game. Also you guys seem to have a pretty fun/laid back forum here. I wish you luck the rest of the season just not this sunday.

First thing I noticed. You guys havent bashed the cards much and see its a tough game and I am not going to trash talk wither in your home but I want to point out a few items.

1) You guys are not giving the cardinals D enough credit. We have been top 12 for the last 3 years. Clancy Penderghast runs a scheme much like the eagles but more flexible.

Wilson is a beast that was ignored for 2 years in the Pro Bowl up until last year. Karlos Dansby is a franchise player playing on a 1 year contract. Dockett and Laboy are on fire. Our weakest spot in our secondary but it is solid as well and our top pick isnt even playing much.

2) I was in RFK last year (great place to watch a game, I wear my Tillman jersey and never get messed with LOL) and you guys played an extremely depleted cardinals team. Redskins have gotten better but so have the cards......

Stopped reading here.

We're not bashing you, but you come off as an uninformed fan.


With that said, I believe that this will be a tough game because the Cardinal D is pretty good. Also Kurt Warner scares me quite frankly. He has at least 3 decent targets out there in the desert and I'm worried that our focusing on the major two may lead to Early Doucet's coming out party. This is a game that I feel the Skins should (and have to win), but anything could take this game out of our hands. And those thinking that this will be a blowout in our favor are sadly mistaken. I'll be happy to eat crow if that indeed IS the case Sunday afternoon but I look for a hard fought win. A 20-17ish type game.

[lanceman_1]

The only reason I think the it will be close is because we usually play down to the Cards level instead beating them handily. It results in a nail biter more often than not.

With that said if we can play up to our potential we will put a hurtin' on them and send them back with there feathers ruffled. The Cards are not all that good and we will see what there record is at the end of the season. Even being in the suck ass division there in they will still lose more than there share.

[thegreatbobo]

I've watched the skins since '97 and I honestly can't recall when the cardinals have ever beat the Skins. That was two wins I circled on the calendar for the Skins ever year.

[TimCardsFan]

Another Cards fan here. There are many of us. We live 3,000 miles away so you don't see us. I don't see a lot of Skins fans out here. Unfortunately, I see a lot of Cowboys fans. Ugh.

There have been a lot of comments about the Cardinals lack of an offensive line or running game. The truth is Edge and Portis had almost identical numbers last year.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=null&season=2007&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

Also, the Cards gave up less sacks last year than the Skins while throwing the ball much much more. I'm not saying that the Cards offensive line is great, but it is good enough, and it is every bit as good as the Skins line.
The Cards run game isn't great, but it is good enough to control the clock and set up the pass. We won't hit any "home runs" from the running game. The passing game is very very good. I don't need to mention why. I will say that there are more weapons than just Boldin and Fitz.

Our defense has been pretty good against the run (#9 last year), but we weren't good against the pass. Santana Moss scares me. Antrel Rolle is very young at the free safety spot and he is supposed to provide over the top help. I would be shocked if the Skins don't take numerous shots down the field.

I think this game goes as Jason Campbell does. If he plays like last week it will be close. It's going to be a very good game. I see it within a 4 point game either way. I am not confident that the Cards have learned to win close games on the road, but I will hopefully predict 24-21 Cards.

Don't mind the annoying Cards fans. Some people get overexcited. You don't have to remind us how bad it's been. We've been down so long and we are cautiusly optimistic now. We love our coaching staff. We love the nucleus of young players. Lienart will be fine, but Warner is hard to sit right now.

Good luck and may there be no injuries.

[Sekhmet728]

Cards 31 Skins 17


If you think you're going to score 31 on the Redskins, you're outta your ****ing mind.

[STBonecrusher21]

Your well thought post is appreciated TimCF. We have no problems with fans of other teams like you that come with respect, and some reason.

But I still say we win 27-20. :silly:

[[[ghost]]]

Did I ever say anything about any championships? No.
You seem to be shadow boxing with yourself...

I wouldn't say anything about championships and Playoff victories if my team only had 2 trophies and 1 playoff win in 110 years either.

[turbodiesel#44]

Oh, That's right. "butterfingers" was Brandon Lloyd. My Bad...
No, you were right. Carlos drops a lot of would be interceptions, be he is a decent cover corner and your receivers will tell you the same after Sunday.

[GC8 Bunta]

Another Cards fan here. There are many of us. We live 3,000 miles away so you don't see us. I don't see a lot of Skins fans out here. Unfortunately, I see a lot of Cowboys fans. Ugh.

There have been a lot of comments about the Cardinals lack of an offensive line or running game. The truth is Edge and Portis had almost identical numbers last year.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=null&season=2007&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

Also, the Cards gave up less sacks last year than the Skins while throwing the ball much much more. I'm not saying that the Cards offensive line is great, but it is good enough, and it is every bit as good as the Skins line.
The Cards run game isn't great, but it is good enough to control the clock and set up the pass. We won't hit any "home runs" from the running game. The passing game is very very good. I don't need to mention why. I will say that there are more weapons than just Boldin and Fitz.

Our defense has been pretty good against the run (#9 last year), but we weren't good against the pass. Santana Moss scares me. Antrel Rolle is very young at the free safety spot and he is supposed to provide over the top help. I would be shocked if the Skins don't take numerous shots down the field.

I think this game goes as Jason Campbell does. If he plays like last week it will be close. It's going to be a very good game. I see it within a 4 point game either way. I am not confident that the Cards have learned to win close games on the road, but I will hopefully predict 24-21 Cards.

Don't mind the annoying Cards fans. Some people get overexcited. You don't have to remind us how bad it's been. We've been down so long and we are cautiusly optimistic now. We love our coaching staff. We love the nucleus of young players. Lienart will be fine, but Warner is hard to sit right now.

Good luck and may there be no injuries.

If Jason Campbell played like he did in the second half vs. the saints, it will not be a close game. In fact, Redskins will probably be up large by halftime. If Jason plays like he did at the Giants. . . it will be a close game.

Kurt warner will be sacked all over the place.
LaRon Landry will cover the field like a condom. believe it.

[tcb26]

Boldin is the one we have to stop. a tough physical WR with all the tools to be great and a HUGE point to prove THIS YEAR. He has given everything to AZ. Larry is really good, really good (I went to Pitt), BUT he hates to get HIT! Calling Suicide Mission..one lick and alligator arms will come.

[TimCardsFan]

Your well thought post is appreciated TimCF. We have no problems with fans of other teams like you that come with respect, and some reason.

But I still say we win 27-20. :silly:

I'd expect nothing less. I can't wait for Sunday.

One interesting injury to watch is Travis LaBoy for the Cards. He's been very good at getting to the QB, but he has an ankle injury and hasn't been practicing. This could be a big loss. I expect that he'll play, but how effective will he be?

Either way, expect the Cards to blitz a lot. They love to blitz and I'd think that Campbell would be someone they'd target. They kept if pretty plain against the Niners and Phins, but I'm sure they'll need all of their tricks this weekend. Again, I think this game really swings with the play of the young QB from Auburn.

[GC8 Bunta]

I call that blache will send Chris Horton in for a Blitz and Warner will sacked and fumble...

lemme see. . . who will pick it up? i call Rocky McIntosh.

[ScottAH87]

While you may see your "Cards 31 Skins 17" game while tripping on acid at RFK, us drunk fans at Fed Ex will see something more along the lines of Skins 24 Cardinals 14

httr, lets hope no injuries

[TimCardsFan]

Kurt warner will be sacked all over the place.
LaRon Landry will cover the field like a condom. believe it.

Kurt takes the occasional sack because he holds the ball too long, but for the most part he is very good at getting rid of the ball. He is the kind of QB that likes it when a team blitzes because he's so good at finding the hot route. The Skins had 1 sack last year against the Cards, and the team only gave up 24 sacks all of last year (0 so far this year). I'm not too worried about Warner getting sacked "all over the place".

As for Landry, there's a lot of love for him on this board. I know he's a great talent, but the guy has 0 picks in his career so far. I've read people on here saying that he'll get "at least 1 pick" this week. I don't get it.

This game will not be a Redskins blowout. You guys don't blow many teams out these days and we've only gotten blown out once in the Whisenhut era (at Seattle last year). No, this is going to be a close one.

[ljs]

Look, a dead cardinal and it's fan..

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/311648578_bcf6a3f47f.jpg?v=0

[STBonecrusher21]

Kurt takes the occasional sack because he holds the ball too long, but for the most part he is very good at getting rid of the ball. He is the kind of QB that likes it when a team blitzes because he's so good at finding the hot route. The Skins had 1 sack last year against the Cards, and the team only gave up 24 sacks all of last year (0 so far this year). I'm not too worried about Warner getting sacked "all over the place".

As for Landry, there's a lot of love for him on this board. I know he's a great talent, but the guy has 0 picks in his career so far. I've read people on here saying that he'll get "at least 1 pick" this week. I don't get it.

This game will not be a Redskins blowout. You guys don't blow many teams out these days and we've only gotten blown out once in the Whisenhut era (at Seattle last year). No, this is going to be a close one.

He actually had 2 picks in our playoff game last year against SEA. I can see how it can be hard for you guys to comprehend stats coming out of a playoff game and all.

Oh and you say we don't blow teams out? Here's what we did last year to a team with a similar make up of you guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK-LaJQcXro

[IbleedBnG83]

As for Landry, there's a lot of love for him on this board. I know he's a great talent, but the guy has 0 picks in his career so far. I've read people on here saying that he'll get "at least 1 pick" this week. I don't get it.


Remember Landry picking off a two point conversion against the Tardinals last year? Doesn't count on his stat sheet though.

Remember Laron getting two picks in the playoffs. Oh wait, you guys weren't in the playoffs...maybe not watching.

Laron also was playing SS for most of the season because Sean Taylor was playing FS who was leading the league with 5 picks before he was injured.

[turbodiesel#44]

look, a dead cardinal and it's fan..

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/311648578_bcf6a3f47f.jpg?v=0
:laugh: I hope you didn't kill that bird for this post...lol

[tcb26]

He actually had 2 picks in our playoff game last year against SEA. I can see how it can be hard for you guys to comprehend stats coming out of a playoff game and all.


I was about to say the same thing myself..going back to Neil Lomax and Roy Green for Card playoff games (did they even make it?) OK Plummer had one good game against the Cowgirls..and that was suppossed to be the springboard right?

[stevemcqueen1]

Beware the Edge, while not explosive, he has a history of doing just enough to keep defenses guessing. We're 7-0 when he rushes for over 100 yards.

Is this true? You are telling me that James has played 34 games for the Cardinals and only broken 100 yards 7 times? What happened in the 27 other games where he didn't?

[SkinsOrlando]

27-17 Skins, read it, learn it, love it.

[BigMike21]

I don't like how people have to explain themselves to Cardinal fans of all people on our own board.

[IbleedBnG83]

Is this true? You are telling me that James has played 34 games for the Cardinals and only broken 100 yards 7 times? What happened in the 27 other games where he didn't?

He obviously doesn't realize the Skins record win Portis rushes for at least a hundred yards.

Edgerrin James is done.

[Red-Head]

Is this true? You are telling me that James has played 34 games for the Cardinals and only broken 100 yards 7 times? What happened in the 27 other games where he didn't?


Was I saying that we've had a great record recently? No. I was saying that we can be very dangerous if you don't stop our running game.


It's funny how a few of the particularly dimwitted posters on this board can only respond to me by putting words in my mouth or changing the subject.

[Red-Head]

I don't like how people have to explain themselves to Cardinal fans of all people on our own board.


Yeah, articulation or intelligence doesn't seem to be a strong point around here...

[NeueRedskinWelle]

I wish cardinals were still in the NFC-E.

That's about as much respect as I give them.

[Red-Head]

];5560151']I wouldn't say anything about championships and Playoff victories if my team only had 2 trophies and 1 playoff win in 110 years either.


Oh, so you continue to put words in my mouth, just like your buddy. Real adolescent and foolish tactic, but maybe that has something to do with your age, kid.


I really didn't come in here to gloat about anything or talk any serious sh*t, but it seems like you're all so used to (being brutalized by) the Eagle and Cowboy fans, that you can't comprehend the existence of any other sort of troll, and try to twist my words and paint me as one of those.

[Khaezh12]

Ok, im getting kinda sick of you ignoring all the stupid things you've said, and just calling redskins fans retarded....so im going to settle the earlier argument, and prove that you are a 5 year old child that refuses to admit when he's beaten....


Cardinals are actually the OLDEST franchise in the league dating back to 1898!
followed by:

Both the cards and the bears were founded in 1920, which should make them the oldest teams.
oh, well that should settle that...but wait

Wikipedia:

The Cardinals are the oldest continuous professional American football club in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals#cite_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals#cite_note-autogenerated1-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals#cite_note-2) The team was formed in 1898 as the Morgan Athletic Club in Chicago. The club was then called the Racine Normals since they were originally located in Normal Park on Chicago's Racine Avenue (not Racine, Wisconsin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racine,_Wisconsin), as mistaken in the notes from an early APFA meeting). They then changed their name to the Racine Cardinals after they started wearing dark reddish uniforms, inherited from the collegiate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA) Chicago Maroons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Chicago). This hand-me-down, low-budget situation would prove to be a good metaphor for the team's chronology.
but wait, i don't see anything about the "league" you said they joined then (oh, and props on the wikipedia, very reliable)

NFL.com

http://www.nfl.com/teams/profile?team=ARI

Founded: 1920

Stadium: University of Phoenix Stadium

Tickets: 480-784-4444
Well, that right there should have trumped your argument, but no, u just wanted to look like a fool

They joined the NFL in 1920.
Oh, ok, so u admit they joined the National Football LEAGUE in 1920....wasn't that the original topic of discussion here?

"Joined the NFL" and "Were Founded in.." are qualitatively different statements...kind of like how there were AFL teams in the 60's before they joined the NFL in the merger.


*cough* Reading Comprehension 101 *cough*....
Oh, apparently you just wanted to forget what we were talking about originally, and wanted people to forget about you getting owned. So instead you try to make redskins fans in general look stupid, while in the process actually making us look better, and all of cards fans just look retarded.

And the haymaker of it all

Did I say I was responding to the original question? Or rather maybe it'd be more prudent of you to assume that I was answering the post I actually quoted in which you said that we were "founded in 1920", an incorrect statement.

Leave Leaping (in logic) to this guy:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44053000/jpg/_44053501_gridiron300.jpg

Way to try to cover you tracks, but it was a little lated, and you got owned...sorry. On a side note, if thats what you call leaping, you guys have a serious lack of ups in Arizona, cause Fitzgerald is a good inch off the ground.

Finally...

You shoulda just stuck with staying in school.... :-p
This was the epitome of classy, original, and, as i think we can all agree, one hell of a comeback :doh:
Maybe, just maybe, you should take your own advice...

I'm going to stop there, mostly because this post is already enormously too long, but also because you keep digging yourself in a hole, which is just embarrassing to you. Go ahead, make fun of me for this, i dont care. Just keep in mind everything you say just makes you look more and more petty.


p.s. sorry this is so long, but i had to do it

[chef8181]

Silly Cards fans. They've played 2 of the worst teams in the league - SF and Miami and all of a sudden they're a great team and nobody can stop talking about the great Kurt Warner. Their next 3 games are @ Skins, @ Giants and home against Buffalo. They'll be 2-3 and then everybody can shut up about them.

[Dick Edds]

2) I was in RFK last year (great place to watch a game, I wear my Tillman jersey and never get messed with LOL) and you guys played an extremely depleted cardinals team. Redskins have gotten better but so have the cards.

uhhhh ... you're hardly one to talk about a "depleted team" ... in fact, anyone who mentions one of our wins and the opposing teams' bad luck injuries in the same sentence, needs to have their head checked.

I''m not even wasting my time with these Cardinal clowns, I have now seen/heard it all. I expect a good game, with the skins once again pulling out a close victory at home.

[Red-Head]

Ok, im getting kinda sick of you ignoring all the stupid things you've said, and just calling redskins fans retarded....so im going to settle the earlier argument, and prove that you are a 5 year old child that refuses to admit when he's beaten....


followed by:

oh, well that should settle that...but wait

but wait, i don't see anything about the "league" you said they joined then (oh, and props on the wikipedia, very reliable)

Well, that right there should have trumped your argument, but no, u just wanted to look like a fool

Oh, ok, so u admit they joined the National Football LEAGUE in 1920....wasn't that the original topic of discussion here?

Oh, apparently you just wanted to forget what we were talking about originally, and wanted people to forget about you getting owned. So instead you try to make redskins fans in general look stupid, while in the process actually making us look better, and all of cards fans just look retarded.

And the haymaker of it all


Way to try to cover you tracks, but it was a little lated, and you got owned...sorry. On a side note, if thats what you call leaping, you guys have a serious lack of ups in Arizona, cause Fitzgerald is a good inch off the ground.

Finally...

This was the epitome of classy, original, and, as i think we can all agree, one hell of a comeback :doh:
Maybe, just maybe, you should take your own advice...

I'm going to stop there, mostly because this post is already enormously too long, but also because you keep digging yourself in a hole, which is just embarrassing to you. Go ahead, make fun of me for this, i dont care. Just keep in mind everything you say just makes you look more and more petty.


p.s. sorry this is so long, but i had to do it


They are the Oldest Franchise in the league. They've continuously been a football team since 1898, and they're in the league (So, for example, if a CFL team that's been around since 1895 joined the NFL tommorow, they'd be the oldest team in the league. Get it?). I didn't say they've been in the league the longest: that's impossible because we OUTDATE the league.

Is the official franchise website good enough for you?: http://www.azcardinals.com/history/index.php

The Cardinals, founded in 1898 and a charter member of the National Football League, hold the distinction of being the oldest continuously run professional football franchise in the nation.

"Oh, ok, so u admit they joined the National Football LEAGUE in 1920....wasn't that the original topic of discussion here?"


No, actually, if you'd read the thread you'd know it was that it was about the Cardinals having been the oldest Football Franchise in the NFL. I never made the claim that we were the first to join the NFL.

"Oh, apparently you just wanted to forget what we were talking about originally, and wanted people to forget about you getting owned. So instead you try to make redskins fans in general look stupid, while in the process actually making us look better, and all of cards fans just look retarded."


Actually since that particular poster started with me, I pointed out holes in his arguments (namely that he was trying to claim I was talking about something I WASN'T). He simply failed to comprehend that I was not (or rather "would not talk") talking about what he was talking about.


All Redskins fans? Really? I point out one guy's mistake and all of a sudden I'm calling you all stupid? What is this, Guilt by association? Seems like you have a problem delineating arugments, people and people associated with those arguments, also evidenced by your comment about all Cards fans being "retarded". So lemme get this straight, by your own logic anything any member of any demographic you're a member of (race, ethnicity, religion, family, income bracket, alma mater, fandom) says or does something it's attributed it to YOU?


I got "Owned"?

^^Jesus Christ, I'm freakin' tired of debating 12-year olds....




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