McCain=Clinton/Obama=Bush

[DRSmith]

Looking at the two men running this who the two men remind me of

Clinton was able to help the economy through cuts and being bipartisan an working with a Pub congress

McCain is talking cuts and can work with Dems

Bush attracted the extremist elements in the party, had religous people with some weird ideas around him and grew the government

Obama got the support of the exremist on the left, has some religous people with weird ideas and is looking like he will grow the government with some of his ideas and both Bush and Obama are pretty partisan

[SteveFromYellowstone]

You're really reaching here.

[DRSmith]

You're really reaching here.

Not saying their views will be exactly the same but the similarities are there, when you on the outside looking in with dog in the race it is easier to see

[DjTj]

McCain isn't like Clinton at all. He doesn't have any of the slickness, he doesn't convey empathy well, and he isn't supporting many Clinton's policies (health care, gun control, raising taxes, etc.)

McCain = Dole/Palin = Bush

Dole was a respected war hero and Senator with a history of reaching across the aisle.

Bush was a newcomer to Washington with strong credentials with the religious right whose primary experience is governing a large state.

It's a pretty good ticket because it balances those two constituencies in the Republican Party - the old school bureacrats and the activists.

...I actually don't think Obama or Biden have good analogues in recent elections - that's what makes this race very unpredictable.

[Vicious]

Bad thread.

[DRSmith]

Bad thread.

Tranlsation I can not refute this or have ideas of my own to put up so this is all i can post

[scruffylookin]

This is so wrong I can't even think where to begin.

First, Clinton ran on fixing the screwed up Bush economy and now Obama is doing the same thing.

McCain (try as he might) can't say he's the one to fix this mess since his history and advisers are the one's who created it with the deregulation.

If this election stays on the issues, more specifically the economy, Obama wins easily. All the republicans got is lies and frivolous stuff that they hope fool enough of the people to vote against their better interests (again).

Obama attracting the extremists?

Try Palin. McCain was a dead man walking in this campaign and then he got a jolt. What was that jolt? Sarah Palin. Who likes/loves Sarah Palin? The extreme religious nutjob right. Now thanks to her being on the ticket, they are once again engaged in this campaign. Luckily McCain chose a laughable candidate to woo the religious right and the bubble has deflated and Obama is back in the lead.

As someone mentioned this is Clinton 92 (Obama) vs. Dole 96 (McCain). With Palin (Quayle 88) thrown in for good measure.

[DRSmith]

I can see from your sig your view is unbiased, but at least you put up something

McCain's VP did attract the extreme right but you can not ignore that it was the extreme left that got Obama where is now.

[CliffBattles]

McCain = Gibbs 2.0
Obama = Zorn
Biden = Schottenheimer
Palin = Spurrier

[Vicious]

Tranlsation I can not refute this or have ideas of my own to put up so this is all i can post


No, just a bad thread.

[VASkins540]

that's some fiiine spin.

[SnyderShrugged]

In terms of their overall negative impact on our economy, yes they are all the same.

[DRSmith]

McCain never said he loathed the military and he won't in his first action as POTUS have openly gay types in the military. Clinton didnt become "bipartisan" until the GOP took over the Congress and his adviser told him if he wanted to be reeelected he had better sign the GOP welfare reform bill.

Bush wasnt backed by anti god,race card throwing, class warfare loving, America hating zealots as we see in the big tent of the democrats.

What does it matter who a guy sleeps with if he wants to fight?

Bush was backed by the other extreme on the right

[SkinsTerps26]

Looking at the two men running this who the two men remind me of

Clinton was able to help the economy through cuts and being bipartisan an working with a Pub congress

McCain is talking cuts and can work with Dems

Bush attracted the extremist elements in the party, had religous people with some weird ideas around him and grew the government

Obama got the support of the exremist on the left, has some religous people with weird ideas and is looking like he will grow the government with some of his ideas and both Bush and Obama are pretty partisan

Are you an American living in Canada with the ability to vote in November or are you Canadian?

[DRSmith]

Are you an American living in Canada with the ability to vote in November or are you Canadian?

Canadian born, could qualify for US as my mother is American

[Baculus]

Looking at the two men running this who the two men remind me of

Clinton was able to help the economy through cuts and being bipartisan an working with a Pub congress

McCain is talking cuts and can work with Dems

Bush attracted the extremist elements in the party, had religous people with some weird ideas around him and grew the government

Obama got the support of the exremist on the left, has some religous people with weird ideas and is looking like he will grow the government with some of his ideas and both Bush and Obama are pretty partisan

I think you are missing that McCain certainly has attracted "extremist elements" and "religous people" to his camp.

It isn't as if McCain is a third party candidate or hasn't been in office while the Bush administration has been operating. Folks are speaking in terms as if McCain is an independent candidate. He isn't. As it is, he went from supporting the Bush tax cuts to supporting them, even though he knew they were fiscally irresponsible.

The detail that he wants to continue the Bush supply-side economics shows that he is closer to Bush then Clinton, who was not a supply-sider.

Also, I will say this, Obama does NOT have the support of the extreme-left, who are the likes such as marxistist or anarchists. The extreme-left thinks that Obama is a puppet of the two-headed, two-party system. And that is what folks do not seem to understand: What REALLY comprises the "extreme-left." The fact that Obama would not dismantle capitalism is proof, to them, that Obama is not anything such as a Marxist.

Meanwhile, many in the extreme-right do indeed support McCain: But they tend to support the Republican candidate during each presidential election cycle.

[Baculus]

McCain never said he loathed the military and he won't in his first action as POTUS have openly gay types in the military. Clinton didnt become "bipartisan" until the GOP took over the Congress and his adviser told him if he wanted to be reeelected he had better sign the GOP welfare reform bill.

Bush wasnt backed by anti god,race card throwing, class warfare loving, America hating zealots as we see in the big tent of the democrats.

What is worst: Anti-God, or pro-God zealots?

Oh, as if the Republicans don't play "class warfare"? Give me a break - the Democrats tend to support the workers while the Republicans tend to support the wealthy elite. The Republicans just direct their class warfare from the top down, as evidence by their continual support of "trickle down" economics.

And look at yourself: You hate other Americans, more specifically, the half of the country that are Democrats. How is that "American-loving" or "patriotic"?

I see no proof that you love your country any more then many of your fellow Americans who are in the Democrat party, or Independent parties, for that matter. Many of whom also serve or have served in the military.

This rapid hatred of liberals and Democrats has swung to such a degree, that it reminds me of some sort of 1984-ish hatred for the "enemy."

I think we need to be reminded of what IS America, because, from some folks, it seems to consist of "patriotism" without really understanding its ideals.

[SkinsManNJ]

McCain = Gibbs 2.0
Obama = Zorn
Biden = Schottenheimer
Palin = Spurrier

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:


What is worst: Anti-God, or pro-God zealots?

Oh, as if the Republicans don't play "class warfare"? Give me a break - the Democrats tend to support the workers while the Republicans tend to support the wealthy elite. The Republicans just direct their class warfare from the top down, as evidence by their continual support of "trickle down" economics.

And look at yourself: You hate other Americans, more specifically, the half of the country that are Democrats. How is that "American-loving" or "patriotic"?

I see no proof that you love your country any more then many of your fellow Americans who are in the Democrat party, or Independent parties, for that matter. Many of whom also serve or have served in the military.

This rapid hatred of liberals and Democrats has swung to such a degree, that it reminds me of some sort of 1984-ish hatred for the "enemy."

I think we need to be reminded of what IS America, because, from some folks, it seems to consist of "patriotism" with really understanding its ideals.

:applause::applause::applause::applause:

[michael_33]

Pretty good comparison from the OP on McCain=Clinton/Obama=Bush...

[DRSmith]

I think you are missing that McCain certainly has attracted "extremist elements" and "religous people" to his camp.

It isn't as if McCain is a third party candidate or hasn't been in office while the Bush administration has been operating. Folks are speaking in terms as if McCain is an independent candidate. He isn't. As it is, he went from supporting the Bush tax cuts to supporting them, even though he knew they were fiscally irresponsible.

The detail that he wants to continue the Bush supply-side economics shows that he is closer to Bush then Clinton, who was not a supply-sider.

Also, I will say this, Obama does NOT have the support of the extreme-left, who are Cthe likes such as marxistist or anarchists. The extreme-left thinks that Obama is a puppet of the two-headed, two-party system. And that is what folks do not seem to understand: What REALLY comprises the "extreme-left." The fact that Obama would not dismantle capitalism is proof, to them, that Obama is not anything such as a Marxist.

Meanwhile, many in the extreme-right do indeed support McCain: But they tend to support the Republican candidate during each presidential election cycle.

When it came down to it with Clinton against Obama who attracted the extremist in the Dem party?

[War Paint]

McCain = Gibbs 2.0
Obama = Zorn
Biden = Schottenheimer
Palin = Spurrier


Not quite...

McCain= Lombardi
Obama=Herm Edwards, can talk and be entertaining, but hasn't done much as a coach.
Biden= Al Davis. Always wrong and has horrible ideas.
Palin= Goldie Hawn from Wildcats. Hehe, probably like Jason Garrett.

[Baculus]

When it came down to it with Clinton against Obama who attracted the extremist in the Dem party?

I am about to go on a rant, because this is complicated.

Neither of them attracted the "extremists," because "extremists" on the Left do not support Democrats. Why do you think these same "extremists" were protesting the DNC? They hate what they see as 'the System" - they don't vote.

The "extremists" see liberals as pandering. The funny thing is while many Republicans deride and talk about liberals as if they were "far left," the TRUE far-left hate liberals almost as they hate the far-right. This isn't new, but dates back to the 18th century.

This is a very complex debate, and many conservatives and the Right do not understand political history. Karl Marx, Engels, other communists and socialists, often opposed Representative Liberal Democracy. And more specifically, Karl Marx considered this system to be a failure. This meant representative governance that had private property and privately owned economics, i.e., the Free Market system.

This same Western Liberalism is the basis for the system that we have in place today: We can own land, have our own business, and elect our own government. Communism is directly opposed to this, for property is communal owned and the workers own means of production. That is why post-WW2 was a struggle between Communism and representative Western liberal institutions (including social democracies, which I had explained in another post).

Obama has never stated any such Marxist/Communist ideals. (Even though someone on this board has a signature that equates Obama to a Marxist. Do folks even understand what Marxism means?)

This is counter to some of the true far-left that would abolish private property, "capitalism," and believe that representative governance causes more problems then it fixes. (Anarcho-syndicalists and other Anarchists believe in democracy, but they want more cooperative, smaller forms of it, similar to some libertarians...) But this was a major battle during the 18th century and into the 19th century as well, as Marxists and other Communists were opposed to what they saw as failed Western Liberalism. (As a note, fundamental Muslims also speak in the same tones, when they deride Western Liberal ideals of individualism and freedom of rights.)

When the Right deride "liberals," they do not seem to understand that this Liberalism is the reason why we have everything that makes up the United States: the free market, property rights, and our individual liberty.

If they oppose Liberalism, in its traditional sense, then what do they support?

So, "extreme" is only seem by some because their ideas are contrary to their own. For example, being pro-choice is not an extreme notion: It's mainstream.

So, my answer is that neither candidate attracted the far-left extreme, because they people do not vote since they do not want to support the System.

[SkinsManNJ]

Not quite...

McCain= Lombardi
Obama=Herm Edwards, can talk and be entertaining, but hasn't done much as a coach.
Biden= Al Davis. Always wrong and has horrible ideas.
Palin= Goldie Hawn from Wildcats. Hehe, probably like Jason Garrett.

McCain= Lombardi? Maybe the hothead thats about it. More like Matt Millen. Been around a while but doenst know what to do or do it right.

Obama= Herm? Umm no. More less Dungy or Lovie. Good talk and gets the his people believing in him.

Biden= Al Davis? No. Maybe Carl Peterson. Lucky to still have his job at times.

Palin= Al Davis. My way or noway.

[Hooper]

The whole democrats hate America thing is hilarious. Especially since Palin's husband apparently believes Alaska should secede from the US.

And I am still bothered by the fact that Charlie Gibson spent more time with Palin and asked her more questions than McCain did before he picked her to be his VP. What the hell is that?

[SkinsManNJ]

I am about to go on a rant, because this is complicated.

Neither of them attracted the "extremists," because "extremists" on the Left do not support Democrats. Why do you think these same "extremists" were protesting the DNC? They hate what they see as 'the System" - they don't vote.

The "extremists" see liberals as pandering. The funny thing is while many Republicans deride and talk about liberals as if they were "far left," the TRUE far-left hate liberals almost as they hate the far-right. This isn't new, but dates back to the 18th century.

This is a very complex debate, and many conservatives and the Right do not understand political history. Karl Marx, Engels, other communists and socialists, often opposed Representative Liberal Democracy. And more specifically, Karl Marx considered this system to be a failure. This meant representative governance that had private property and privately owned economics, i.e., the Free Market system.

This same Western Liberalism is the basis for the system that we have in place today: We can own land, have our own business, and elect our own government. Communism is directly opposed to this, for property is communal owned and the workers of means of production. That is why post-WW2 was a struggle between Communism and representative Western liberal institutions (including social democracies, which I had explained in another post).

Obama has never stated any such Marxist/Communist ideals. (Even though someone on this board has a signature that equates Obama to a Marxist. Do folks even understand what Marxism means?)

This is counter to the true of SOME of far-left that would abolish private property, "capitalism," and believe that representative governance causes more problems then it fixes. (Anarcho-syndicalists and other Anarchists believe in democracy, but they want more cooperative, smaller forms of it, similar to some libertarians...)

But this was a major battle during the 18th century and into the 19th century as well, as Marxists and other Communists were opposed to what they say as failed Western Liberalism. (As a note, fundamental Muslims also speak in the same tones, when they deride "Western Liberal" ideals of individualism and freedom of rights.)

When the Right deride "liberals," they do not seem to understand that this liberalism is the reason why we have everything that makes up the United States: the free market, property rights, and our individual liberty.

If they oppose Liberalism, in its traditional sense, then what do they support?

So, "extreme" is only seem by some because their ideas are contrary to their own. For example, being pro-choice is not an extreme notion: It's mainstream.

So, my answer is that neither candidate attracted the far-left extreme, because they people do not vote since they do not want to support the System.

Preach man preach. :applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:

[DRSmith]

Come off the rant, and read the question again who attracted the extremist in the Dem party not outside but in the party

The same as there are radical righties outside the Repub party but it was the one's inside that were for Bush there are those way on the right who hate Bush

[SkinsManNJ]

The whole democrats hate America thing is hilarious. Especially since Palin's husband apparently believes Alaska should secede from the US.

And I am still bothered by the fact that Charlie Gibson spent more time with Palin and asked her more questions than McCain did before he picked her to be his VP. What the hell is that?


Its called proper vetting. Didnt you know that? LOL.

[Hooper]

McCain= Lombardi? Maybe the hothead thats about it. More like Matt Millen. Been around a while but doenst know what to do or do it right.

Obama= Herm? Umm no. More less Dungy or Lovie. Good talk and gets the his people believing in him.

Biden= Al Davis? No. Maybe Carl Peterson. Lucky to still have his job at times.

Palin= Al Davis. My way or noway.

McCain = Pepper Rodgers. At least this week. It's been painful to watch.

[SkinsManNJ]

McCain = Pepper Rodgers. At least this week. It's been painful to watch.

His rapper name for the week would be. Gaffe Master Mc.

[Vicious]

Not quite...

McCain= Lombardi
Obama=Herm Edwards, can talk and be entertaining, but hasn't done much as a coach.
Biden= Al Davis. Always wrong and has horrible ideas.
Palin= Goldie Hawn from Wildcats. Hehe, probably like Jason Garrett.

You mean he's herm edwards because he's black. The Lombardi makes sense, he died of cancer.

[Baculus]

Come off the rant, and read the question again who attracted the extremist in the Dem party not outside but in the party

The same as there are radical righties outside the Repub party but it was the one's inside that were for Bush there are those way on the right who hate Bush

Let me guess: You didn't read one thing I wrote, did you?

I answered your question. Are you unable to understand the issue?

THE EXTREMISTS ON THE LEFT OFTEN DO NOT VOTE AND THEY SEE THE DEMOCRATS AS PART OF THE PROBLEMATIC TWO-PARTY SYSTEM.

The Democrats don't have any real radicals - for example, supporting a social health care system is not "radical" when many first world industrial nations have such a system.

I think you need to make yourself more clearly and explain who these "radicals" are, or some of their "radical" positions.

[DRSmith]

your the one not reading and denying the idea there are radical like those in code pink and anti war radicals in the left

[Vicious]

So over half the nation are radicals because they oppose the iraq war? How's the weather up there in Canada EH. Do you even get to vote in the USA elections yes or no?

[DRSmith]

So over half the nation are radicals because they oppose the iraq war?

you can oppse the war with out being radical and protesting it and using civil disobedience

[Baculus]

your the one not reading and denying the idea there are radical like those in code pink and anti war radicals in the left

Huh?

I never denied anything about Code Pink. Do you have reading issues, or do you know how to formulate a debate?

By virtue of being "anti-war" is not radical, but Code Pink, I agree, is a bit of a radical group. Are they THAT radical? No. They are certainly to the Left of center in their positions, but they haven't bombed any recruiting center of some such.

Radicalism, after all, often involves violence.

Let's see if you can actually respond to what I am saying this time...

[DRSmith]

Huh?

I never denied anything about Code Pink. Do you have reading issues, or do you know how to formulate a debate?

By virtue of being "anti-war" is not radical, but Code Pink, I agree, is a bit of a radical group. Are they THAT radical? No. They are certainly to the Left of center in their positions, but they haven't bombed any recruiting center of some such.

Radicalism, after all, often involves violence.

Let's see if you can actually respond to what I am saying this time...

Oh so Ayers is more of your view of a radical then?

[Vicious]

you can oppse the war with out being radical and protesting it and using civil disobedience


So people that protest and do not partake in civil obedience are Radicals.


http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o139/blueollie/blogphotos/bham-firehose5.jpg

[Baculus]

Oh so Ayers is more of your view of a radical then?

So, you answered my question: You do not know how to read or formulate a debate.

If you expect me to reply, don't answer my posts with random one-line replies.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

So, you answered my question: You do not know how to read or formulate a debate.

If you expect me to reply, don't answer my posts with random one-line replies.
Let me cut through the B.S. for you. In DRSmith's mind..Obama=Revolutionary, radical, bad.

DRSmith's pattern is to post these type of threads where he asks a question knowing full well he has the answer in his mind.

It would be much more honest of him just to come out and say I don't like Obama.

[Baculus]

Let me cut through the B.S. for you. In DRSmith's mind..Obama=Revolutionary, radical, bad.

DRSmith's pattern is to post these type of threads where he asks a question knowing full well he has the answer in his mind.

It would be much more honest of him just to come out and say I don't like Obama.

That is pretty much what I figured, judging from his replies. Trying to debate with those sort of folks is like bashing your head against a brick wall.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

That is pretty much what I figured, judging from his replies. Trying to debate with those sort of folks is like bashing your head against a brick wall.
If you ever try to call DRSmith on it he'll just tell you how he's a neutral observer etc. :rolleyes:

[bird_1972]

McCain never said he loathed the military and he won't in his first action as POTUS have openly gay types in the military. Clinton didnt become "bipartisan" until the GOP took over the Congress and his adviser told him if he wanted to be reeelected he had better sign the GOP welfare reform bill.

Bush wasnt backed by anti god,race card throwing, class warfare loving, America hating zealots as we see in the big tent of the democrats.

LOL!

You're funny!

[bird_1972]

That is pretty much what I figured, judging from his replies. Trying to debate with those sort of folks is like bashing your head against a brick wall.

Or trying to argue with a Bush Republican.

[DRSmith]

So people that protest and do not partake in civil obedience are Radicals.


http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o139/blueollie/blogphotos/bham-firehose5.jpg

Actually seeing as I was talking about extremist which people seem to want to deny vote for Dems

And using the standards here in the thread those on the right are not extremists either

[DRSmith]

So, you answered my question: You do not know how to read or formulate a debate.

If you expect me to reply, don't answer my posts with random one-line replies.

Hey a single issue voter who lets that be their guide is an extremists, it was single issue voters that got Bush in

It is pretty much a single issue vote Obama is driving at also, the hatered of Bush

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

It is pretty much a single issue vote Obama is driving at also, the hatered of Bush
I love how you presume to know what is driving all Obama backers to support him.

Believe it or not, there are people who are supporting Obama because they believe in his platform.

I know it's shocking to you but it is true.:)

[DRSmith]

I love how you presume to know what is driving all Obama backers to support him.

Believe it or not, there are people who are supporting Obama because they believe in his platform.

I know it's shocking to you but it is true.:)

I brought up the single issue because health care was used in one post, but he is running for the most part a single issue campaign, what is he saying a vote for McCain is 4 more years of Bush, that has been the major rallying cry since he started this campaign

Bush's first time was abortion the second time it was 9/11

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I brought up the single issue because health care was used in one post, but he is running for the most part a single issue campaign, what is he saying a vote for McCain is 4 more years of Bush, that has been the major rallying cry since he started this campaign

Bush's first time was abortion the second time it was 9/11
Every candidate runs on a "theme". This election is no different.

[DRSmith]

Every candidate runs on a "theme". This election is no different.

I thought the theme was change

Bush/McCain is being made the issue

[gstahl]

Let me cut through the B.S. for you. In DRSmith's mind..Obama=Revolutionary, radical, bad.

DRSmith's pattern is to post these type of threads where he asks a question knowing full well he has the answer in his mind.

It would be much more honest of him just to come out and say I don't like Obama.

Bingo, we have a winner. I think it is clear to everyone, except maybe DRSmith himself what is viewpoint. Come on man, state your views and stop pretending to make some form of unbiased assessment. We get it, you do not like Obama.

[Vicious]

Actually seeing as I was talking about extremist which people seem to want to deny vote for Dems

And using the standards here in the thread those on the right are not extremists either


Oh people that blow up abortion clinics definitely vote Republican. You're just so out there, you need to get more grounded in reality.

[Predicto]

I love it when DRSmith says he "doesn't have a horse in this race" when he has demonstrated himself to be one of the most unthinking partisans that the Tailgate has to offer.

[dcoles11]

What is worst: Anti-God, or pro-God zealots?

Oh, as if the Republicans don't play "class warfare"? Give me a break - the Democrats tend to support the workers while the Republicans tend to support the wealthy elite. The Republicans just direct their class warfare from the top down, as evidence by their continual support of "trickle down" economics.

And look at yourself: You hate other Americans, more specifically, the half of the country that are Democrats. How is that "American-loving" or "patriotic"?

I see no proof that you love your country any more then many of your fellow Americans who are in the Democrat party, or Independent parties, for that matter. Many of whom also serve or have served in the military.

This rapid hatred of liberals and Democrats has swung to such a degree, that it reminds me of some sort of 1984-ish hatred for the "enemy."

I think we need to be reminded of what IS America, because, from some folks, it seems to consist of "patriotism" without really understanding its ideals.

Does not get much better than this :applause:

[dcoles11]

Not quite...

McCain= Lombardi
Obama=Herm Edwards, can talk and be entertaining, but hasn't done much as a coach.
Biden= Al Davis. Always wrong and has horrible ideas.
Palin= Goldie Hawn from Wildcats. Hehe, probably like Jason Garrett.

I really can't use words to describe this so i'm just going to use........... :doh: Actually I'll give it a shot.

McCain=Lombardi? So a guy that many conservatives could not stand, Ann Coulter went as far as saying she would vote for Hilliary Clinton over McCain if it came down to it, is now Lombardi? I get it, so basically because he's the only guy you can vote for with an (R) next to his name he is now the equal to the guy the NFL named the championship trophy after. Great logic.

Palin= Jason Garrett? Garrett is in charge of the offense for one of the most high profile teams in all of professional sports. Palin was in charge of a State that has a smaller population than many cities and her foreign policy credentials start with, "I can see Russia from my state"

That would be like applying for the offensive cord. job with an NFL team and saying, I'm qualified for this job because i'm the head coach for the local high school's JV team and I watch Monday Night Football every week.

I try to stay moderate in my thinking but good grief, if the Democrats had picked a vice president like Palin the Republicans would have lost their ever loving minds.

[War Paint]

I really can't use words to describe this so i'm just going to use........... :doh: Actually I'll give it a shot.

McCain=Lombardi? So a guy that many conservatives could not stand, Ann Coulter went as far as saying she would vote for Hilliary Clinton over McCain if it came down to it, is now Lombardi? I get it, so basically because he's the only guy you can vote for with an (R) next to his name he is now the equal to the guy the NFL named the championship trophy after. Great logic.

Palin= Jason Garrett? Garrett is in charge of the offense for one of the most high profile teams in all of professional sports. Palin was in charge of a State that has a smaller population than many cities and her foreign policy credentials start with, "I can see Russia from my state"

That would be like applying for the offensive cord. job with an NFL team and saying, I'm qualified for this job because i'm the head coach for the local high school's JV team and I watch Monday Night Football every week.

I try to stay moderate in my thinking but good grief, if the Democrats had picked a vice president like Palin the Republicans would have lost their ever loving minds.

Shut up

[TheItalianStallion]

Bush is anything but partisan. He has made so many efforts to reach out to the other side, and so many efforts to compromise in moderation, that it's appalling that he was stabbed in the back as many times as he was.

[dcoles11]

Shut up

Very intelligent response, it's probably the only thing you could say after saying something so ridiculous as to compare McCain to Lombardi and Palin to Jason Garret.

You should excuse yourself from all debate until you grow up and learn how to have an intelligent conversation.

Saying "shut up" as a response is just sad.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Bush is anything but partisan. He has made so many efforts to reach out to the other side, and so many efforts to compromise in moderation, that it's appalling that he was stabbed in the back as many times as he was.
I guess you and I are seeing Bush through different eyes.

[War Paint]

Very intelligent response, it's probably the only thing you could say after saying something so ridiculous as to compare McCain to Lombardi and Palin to Jason Garret.

You should excuse yourself from all debate until you grow up and learn how to have an intelligent conversation.

Saying "shut up" as a response is just sad.

Zip it

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Zip it
Having a bad night? (just kidding :))

[dcoles11]

Zip it

haha you are just full of intelligent responses tonight. I think you need a nap.

Turn on FOX news, watch them talk about how great Palin is and how evil the Democrats are for attacking such a wonderful lady that is obviously just what this country needs, then drift off to sleep dreaming of a country run by the former Gov. of Alaska.

[War Paint]

haha you are just full of intelligent responses tonight. I think you need a nap.

Turn on FOX news, watch them talk about how great Palin is and how evil the Democrats are for attacking such a wonderful lady that is obviously just what this country needs, then drift off to sleep dreaming of a country run by the former Gov. of Alaska.

Shhhhh.....

[SkinsManNJ]

Bush is anything but partisan. He has made so many efforts to reach out to the other side, and so many efforts to compromise in moderation, that it's appalling that he was stabbed in the back as many times as he was.

Either your with us or against us ring a bell. It wasnt just towards terrorist and the "axis of EVIL". It was to anyone who didnt agree with what he was doing. So much for reaching out. ;)

[WVUforREDSKINS]

These liberal bashers are just getting dumber by the day. There have been several posters who keep getting owned over and over.

They can not come up with a single rebuttal.

[SkinsManNJ]

These liberal bashers are just getting dumber by the day. There have been several posters who keep getting owned over and over.

They can not come up with a single rebuttal.

Of course they do. We havent been attacked again since 9/11. But liberals can say well under Clinton before Bush we havent been attacked since 93.

Oh and dont forget Ayers, Pflager, Wright, and all bashing Palin gets. Even though during the Dem primaries they were telling Hilary to man up your playing with the big boys now. Now everything is sexist and Palin is a victim of sexism.

[Burgold]

The most interesting thing about this thread is the tacit acknowledgement by Republicans after eight years that Clinton was a damn good President and Bush was a dud. Otherwise, they'd never try to compare their candidate to him.

[DRSmith]

Or trying to argue with a Bush Republican.

That is funny cause talking to many Obama supporters is much like talking to many Bush supporters during the last election

The cult of personality defies reason

[TheItalianStallion]

Either your with us or against us ring a bell. It wasnt just towards terrorist and the "axis of EVIL". It was to anyone who didnt agree with what he was doing. So much for reaching out. ;)Right, because his domestic political opposition was whom he was referring to when he said "either you are with us or against us"...:rolleyes:

[TheItalianStallion]

I guess you and I are seeing Bush through different eyes.Ever heard of NCLB? The prescription drug bill? Compromising on various spending bills?

[Baculus]

Bush is anything but partisan. He has made so many efforts to reach out to the other side, and so many efforts to compromise in moderation, that it's appalling that he was stabbed in the back as many times as he was.

Baloney.

Why do you think his administration were screening people for party and policy loyalty? Why do you think his administration often ignored experts for political convience?

We remember the last eight years: You cannot all of a sudden try to rewrite history that the Bush administration was "bi-partisan."

It certainly did reach across party lines on some issues, while staying stubbornly partisan on others (which, in the long run, hurt this nation).

[Baculus]

Actually seeing as I was talking about extremist which people seem to want to deny vote for Dems

And using the standards here in the thread those on the right are not extremists either

Learn to comprehend.

[DRSmith]

Learn to comprehend.

Try being honest with yourself the single issue voters and extreme right wngers never see themselves as anything but average people too.

[dockeryfan]

Bush is anything but partisan. He has made so many efforts to reach out to the other side, and so many efforts to compromise in moderation, that it's appalling that he was stabbed in the back as many times as he was.
I wonder if there are people that actually believe this. Anyone who follows politics even a little bit knows this is 100% incorrect. Whoever wrote this must be living under a rock.

[Baculus]

Try being honest with yourself the single issue voters and extreme right wngers never see themselves as anything but average people too.

You just proved my point.

I wrote a long post responding to your OP, and you couldn't respond with anything that even resembled what you were trying to discuss.

This has nothing to do with "single issue voters," as you are suddenly trying to state.

[The Sir]

McCain = Dole/Palin = Bush


That sounds about right

[DRSmith]

You just proved my point.

I wrote a long post responding to your OP, and you couldn't respond with anything that even resembled what you were trying to discuss.

This has nothing to do with "single issue voters," as you are suddenly trying to state.

You are have tried to assert that is not really an exteme left wing in the dem party that they are outside the party, that is not true very liberal people tended to vote for Obama in the primrary and people who were more centerist seemed to vote for Hillary

Just as in 2000 more centerist Repubs went for McCain while more extreme right wing people in the party went with Bush

[Baculus]

You are have tried to assert that is not really an exteme left wing in the dem party that they are outside the party, that is not true very liberal people tended to vote for Obama in the primrary and people who were more centerist seemed to vote for Hillary

Just as in 2000 more centerist Repubs went for McCain while more extreme right wing people in the party went with Bush

Correct. Sure, there *are* some folks in the Democrats that lean farther left then most, but as I tried to explain, you are missing the "true" far left that have nothing to do with the democrats. After all, again, who do you think was protesting the DNC? Other Democrats? Who do you think protested the 1968 Chicago DNC at the height of the Vietnam war?

"Very Liberal" is not necessarily "Very Left." You do not understand what "liberal" means if you keep asserting this. It is like saying that "Very Conservative" means "Fascist," just by the virtue of being "Very Right."

The vote for Obama and Hillary did not fall into neat little categories. Heck, for years, people have been calling Hillary supporters commies or pinkos because of her support for national health care.

This is a complex issue that you are trying to boil down into one simple talking point that does not work for anyone familiar with the complexities of Left-Right politics.

[DRSmith]

Correct. Sure, there *are* some folks in the Democrats that lean farther left then most, but as I tried to explain, you are missing the "true" far left that have nothing to do with the democrats. After all, again, who do you think was protesting the DNC? Other Democrats? Who do you think protested the 1968 Chicago DNC at the height of the Vietnam war?

"Very Liberal" is not necessarily "Very Left." You do not understand what "liberal" means if you keep asserting this. It is like saying that "Very Conservative" means "Fascist," just by the virtue of being "Very Right."

The vote for Obama and Hillary did not fall into neat little categories. Heck, for years, people have been calling Hillary supporters commies or pinkos because of her support for national health care.

This is a complex issue that you are trying to boil down into one simple talking point that does not work for anyone familiar with the complexities of Left-Right politics.

Who asserted she was a pinko was it not right wing talk radio?

Who then said if it came down to her and McCain they would vote for Hillary was it not people like Anne Coulture

After posting at Hannity I have found that many people who considhemselves right wingers are mean spirited, towards gays the poor and many of those espouse such views are proud supporters of Bush

Single issue voters do represent a form of extremism as they will ignore all other issue in order to get one thing they want, from years in a labour union know this for a fact when discussing the idea of why certain candidates are endrossed.

The anti abortion crowd is a good example of this also the will ignore all other issues as they become focused on this being the greastest issue to face mankind

[Baculus]

Who asserted she was a pinko was it not right wing talk radio?

Who then said if it came down to her and McCain they would vote for Hillary was it not people like Anne Coulture

Ann Coulter has said that Democrats should be tried and executed for treason as an example to others. Ann Coulter is also a right-wing, Republican hero that has spoken at Republican events, and even telling "rag head" jokes.

The chances of her voting for Hillary was 0%. She is not an Independent, after all.


Single issue voters do represent a form of extremism as they will ignore all other issue in order to get one thing they want, from years in a labour union know this for a fact when discussing the idea of why certain candidates are endrossed.

The anti abortion crowd is a good example of this also the will ignore all other issues as they become focused on this being the greastest issue to face mankind

Sure, some extremists are single issue voters. Some aren't. Even when it comes to extremists such as White Aryans, you'll find some that are left-wing and some that are right-wing. Some Aryans are socialists and some are Nazis.

This applies to both Unions and anti-abortionists. Some are single-issue; some aren't.

Many Americans, in fact, are probably single issue votes, but that doesn't put them into the extremists camp. It probably just indicates that they have singluar "litmus test" issues that are going to direct their vote.

[TheItalianStallion]

Baloney.

Why do you think his administration were screening people for party and policy loyalty? Why do you think his administration often ignored experts for political convience?

We remember the last eight years: You cannot all of a sudden try to rewrite history that the Bush administration was "bi-partisan."

It certainly did reach across party lines on some issues, while staying stubbornly partisan on others (which, in the long run, hurt this nation).And yet, you couldn't make a single substative rebuttal or name anything where he was "stubornly partisan." By "ignoring experts," are you talking about him allegedly "ignoring" the suggestions of some of his generals? He received different advice from different military sources (some advocating even fewer troops) and had to make decisions.

I wonder if there are people that actually believe this. Anyone who follows politics even a little bit knows this is 100% incorrect. Whoever wrote this must be living under a rock.Anyone who follows politics is aware of things like NCLB, the prescription drug bill, and the Amnesty Bill, among other things, all of which were things that bush compromised on. No offense, but your assesment sounds like it's based on preconceptions.

[Peeping Wizard]

Obama=Jesus Christ

Biden=The Village Idiot

[DRSmith]

Anyone watch the view yesterday, Bill Cnton was not exactly sinking McCain and elevating Obama, he seemed to be taking some shots at Obama's campaign style

[China]

Election 2008: Star Wars Version (http://joshanderson.wordpress.com/)

It’s time for our first contest! We have plenty of readers who have a lot to say, so let’s put all of that brainpower to good use.

In any civilization, people like to have good guys and bad guys. Davids and Goliaths. Sherrifs and outlaws. Angels and demons. Nowhere else can we see this more so that in the current race for the presidency. Democrats want Obama, Republicans want McCain. Both feel that they can clean up Washington and reform the federal government.

So let’s take these two guys and their sidekicks and see how they line up with another great battle between good and evil: Star Wars!

I’ll get the party started with the first six characters. Then, you submit an entry in which you offer your suggestions for the remaining characters, listed below.

George W. Bush is Darth Vader. Darth Bush is currently in command of the Death Star and runs the day to day operations. It is the goal of the Death Star to crush smaller insurrections that pose any threat to the Death Star’s power over the universe (in addition to fending off the Rebel Alliance). Its defenses are strong, and Darth Bush will use whatever means are necessary to show strength and power. Long ago, Darth Bush used to be quite different. In his “compassionate conservative” days, he desired to use his powers for good, but has now given in to the Dark Side after meeting one of his mentors, Darth Rove. It was Darth Rove who was the apprentice to Chancellor Palpatine and who guided Darth Bush through his Empire training.

Dick Cheney is Emporer Palpatine. Dick Palpatine has had many titles: Senator, Chancellor/Secretary, and secret ruler of the galaxy. While Darth Bush is on the frontlines running the show, it’s really Dick Palpatine who works in the shadows to advance a larger, more mysterious and infinitely more insidious plan for the future. Dick Palpatine relied heavily on Darth Rove to help mentor young Darth Bush. Unfortunately, Darth Rove was defeated by a young Obi-Wan Kenobi in a vicious battle. For now, however, it is Dick Palpatine who Darth Bush serves with unbending allegiance, though few realize the extent of Dick Palpatine’s influence.

John McCain is Obi Wan Kenobi. He is old and battle-worn, but can still kick some major ass when needed. Obi John Kenobi is known for his valiant battle and subsequent capture in the Clone Wars. Another notable battle was that of Obi John Kenobi and Darth Rove, in which Kenobi seemed to rise almost from the dead to defeat Darth Rove just prior to Kenobi taking power. More recently, Obi John Kenobi and Darth Bush have cut their once-amiable ties and are now mortal enemies.


Obama is Luke Skywalker. He’s new to the fight, and he’s eager to topple the Empire. Don’t mistake his naivete for a lack of courage or skill. To him, it’s just like killing womp rats back at Beggar’s canyon where he served as a community organizer. The force is extremely strong with him, but his elders worry that he hasn’t been properly tested. Obama Skywalker’s mission is nearly impossible: break through the Death Star’s defenses and explode it from the inside out. If he succeeds, he’ll forever have the gratitude of the Rebel Alliance.

Joe Biden is Han Solo. Reluctant but capable, this smart-alec with a quick brain and even quicker reflexes is an old pro at the uglier side of life in the galaxy. Joe Solo is a master of speed and can get from his home in Deleware to the US Capital in twelve parsecs. Initially, Joe Solo’s goal wasn’t to topple the evil Empire, but somewhere along the way, he gets a dose of morality and put his talents to good use. Joe Solo is haunted by his on-again, off-again relationship with the credit industry (like Capital One in Willmington, Deleware; or Jabba the Hut in wherever he lives).

Sarah Palin is Princess Leia. Beautiful and smart with a quick tongue to match, it is Princess Palin’s singular goal to infiltrate the Death Star and expose its weaknesses. First, though, she must pass along her battle plans to Obi John Kenobi - and it took Obama Skywalker to do it, otherwise Obi John would never have paid much attention to her. Unfortunately, Princess Palin was held prisoner by the evildoers who sought to silence her.

Ok, so here’s the contest. Take the following characters and find their real-world campaign equivalent. A full entry will have at least three comparisons. Post your entries by 6:00pm (central time) on Thursday, September 25th:

1. Chewbacca

2. C3P0

3. R2D2

4. Boba Fett

5. Yoda

6. Admiral Ackbar

7. Lando Calrissian

Check the link to see entries.

[Baculus]

You are have tried to assert that is not really an exteme left wing in the dem party that they are outside the party, that is not true very liberal people tended to vote for Obama in the primrary and people who were more centerist seemed to vote for Hillary

The problem is that you do not still seem to understand what constitutes "far-left," even when I took the time out to give a lengthy discussion on the subject. If you do not understand the fundamentals of the subject matter, then we are going to come to an agreement.

Are there leftist elements in the Democrats? Of course. Does the Democrats attract the "far-left"? Not necessarily, because these people do NOT vote. Even the far-right doesn't necessarily vote Republican, either, though some certainly do.

The problem is that it's a complex issue, and you want to just reduce it to simple "left/right" terms without any of the nuances for extremists elements on both side of the aisle.

What's commonly considered "far-left," such as communists and anarchists, by and large are involved in their own movement and not a mainstream party such as the Democrats.


Just as in 2000 more centerist Repubs went for McCain while more extreme right wing people in the party went with Bush

Ultimately, those "centerist Repubs" voted for Bush. And probably a second time in 2004 as well.