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Peeping Wizard
September-22nd-2008, 12:15 PM
Good analysis here by Hassett. Fannie and Freddie are at the heart of all of this:


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0


How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis: Kevin Hassett

Commentary by Kevin Hassett
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Sept. 22 (Bloomberg) -- The financial crisis of the past year has provided a number of surprising twists and turns, and from Bear Stearns Cos. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=JPM%3AUS) to American International Group Inc. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=AIG%3AUS), ambiguity has been a big part of the story.
Why did Bear Stearns fail, and how does that relate to AIG? It all seems so complex.
But really, it isn't. Enough cards on this table have been turned over that the story is now clear. The economic history books will describe this episode in simple and understandable terms: Fannie Mae (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=FNM%3AUS) and Freddie Mac (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=FRE%3AUS) exploded, and many bystanders were injured in the blast, some fatally.
Fannie and Freddie did this by becoming a key enabler of the mortgage crisis. They fueled Wall Street's efforts to securitize subprime loans by becoming the primary customer of all AAA-rated subprime-mortgage pools. In addition, they held an enormous portfolio of mortgages themselves.
In the times that Fannie and Freddie couldn't make the market, they became the market. Over the years, it added up to an enormous obligation. As of last June, Fannie alone owned or guaranteed more than $388 billion in high-risk mortgage investments. Their large presence created an environment within which even mortgage-backed securities assembled by others could find a ready home.
The problem was that the trillions of dollars in play were only low-risk investments if real estate prices continued to rise. Once they began to fall, the entire house of cards came down with them.
Turning Point
Take away Fannie and Freddie, or regulate them more wisely, and it's hard to imagine how these highly liquid markets would ever have emerged. This whole mess would never have happened.
It is easy to identify the historical turning point that marked the beginning of the end.
Back in 2005, Fannie and Freddie were, after years of dominating Washington, on the ropes. They were enmeshed in accounting scandals that led to turnover at the top. At one telling moment in late 2004, captured in an article by my American Enterprise Institute (http://www.aei.org/) colleague Peter Wallison (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Peter+Wallison&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), the Securities and Exchange Comiission's chief accountant told disgraced Fannie Mae chief Franklin Raines (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Franklin+Raines&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1) that Fannie's position on the relevant accounting issue was not even ``on the page'' of allowable interpretations.
Then legislative momentum emerged for an attempt to create a ``world-class regulator'' that would oversee the pair more like banks, imposing strict requirements on their ability to take excessive risks. Politicians who previously had associated themselves proudly with the two accounting miscreants were less eager to be associated with them. The time was ripe.
Greenspan's Warning
The clear gravity of the situation pushed the legislation forward. Some might say the current mess couldn't be foreseen, yet in 2005 Alan Greenspan (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Alan+Greenspan&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1) told Congress how urgent it was for it to act in the clearest possible terms: If Fannie and Freddie ``continue to grow, continue to have the low capital that they have, continue to engage in the dynamic hedging of their portfolios, which they need to do for interest rate risk aversion, they potentially create ever-growing potential systemic risk down the road,'' he said. ``We are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk.''
What happened next was extraordinary. For the first time in history, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking Committee (http://banking.senate.gov/public/). The bill gave a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets.
Different World
If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. In 2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper fluttered out of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our oldest and most venerable institutions. Without their checkbooks keeping the market liquid and buying up excess supply, the market would likely have not existed.
But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.
That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the Democrats was obscene even then. Wallison wrote (http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.22514/pub_detail.asp) at the time: ``It is a classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit. The Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations could not possibly do so if their constituents understood what they were doing.''
Mounds of Materials
Now that the collapse has occurred, the roadblock built by Senate Democrats in 2005 is unforgivable. Many who opposed the bill doubtlessly did so for honorable reasons. Fannie and Freddie provided mounds of materials defending their practices. Perhaps some found their propaganda convincing.
But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including Barack Obama (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Barack+Obama&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), Hillary Clinton (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Hillary+Clinton&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1) and Christopher Dodd (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Christopher+Dodd&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years.
Throughout his political career, Obama has gotten more than $125,000 in campaign contributions from employees and political action committees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, second only to Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee chairman, who received more than $165,000.
Clinton, the 12th-ranked recipient of Fannie and Freddie PAC and employee contributions, has received more than $75,000 from the two enterprises and their employees. The private profit found its way back to the senators who killed the fix.
There has been a lot of talk about who is to blame for this crisis. A look back at the story of 2005 makes the answer pretty clear.
Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: Senator John McCain (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=John+McCain&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1) was one of the three cosponsors of S.190 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s109-190), the bill that would have averted this mess.
(Kevin Hassett (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Kevin+Hassett&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1), director of economic-policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, is a Bloomberg News columnist. He is an adviser to Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona in the 2008 presidential election. The opinions expressed are his own.)
To contact the writer of this column: Kevin Hassett at khassett@aei.org (khassett@aei.org)
Last Updated: September 22, 2008 00:04 EDT

Baculus
September-22nd-2008, 12:24 PM
Considering the nature of the situation, I would think that both sides would have to take some responsibility. Also trying to lay the blame on the Democrats, when the lending institutions themselves demonstrated irresponsible behavior, is a bit much.

Toe Jam
September-22nd-2008, 12:26 PM
You're reaching.

There is enough blame to go around for everyone to take some of it.

DjTj
September-22nd-2008, 12:28 PM
What happened next was extraordinary. For the first time in history, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by the Senate Banking Committee (http://banking.senate.gov/public/).I don't think this is true. S.190 was never passed out of the Senate Banking Committee:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190

It was ordered to be reported, but then it was never reported ... something happened in committee that prevented it from ever reaching the floor.

Also, McCain didn't sign on as a co-sponsor until May 2006, which was almost a year after the bill was already dead.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN00190:@@@P

Somebody should dig more into the history of this, because it's really not at all clear to me what happened to this bill in the Senate. Republicans were in control then, so Democrats alone couldn't have kept it from going to the floor.

Predicto
September-22nd-2008, 12:29 PM
I'd like to thank this self confessed advisor to John McCain for paring out all the extraneous details and getting to the heart of the matter:

how this complicated situation may best be presented to the advantage of John McCain. :)

FanboyOf91
September-22nd-2008, 12:35 PM
Any diagnosis that does not include the unregulated nature of financial derivatives is incomplete.

Destino
September-22nd-2008, 12:37 PM
The democrats did it (despite not being in control!)

I'm sure the nation will believe that. I heard the democrats also met secretly at night to eat babies.

Enter Apotheosis
September-22nd-2008, 12:41 PM
The title of this article is wrong... even if you agree 100% with what Mr. Hasett has to say. The Democrats did not create the financial crisis, they merely failed to prevent it.

Midnight Judges
September-22nd-2008, 12:50 PM
Damn those small Government hell bent on deregulation Democrats!

Seriously, this is like blaming the Republicans for raising minimum wage in 2007.

karmacop
September-22nd-2008, 12:55 PM
This article is more propaganda than fact. The author is a member of the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a conservative, pro-business think tank whose mission (quite ironically) is to promote deregulation and limited government. I would wager that AEI's membership (and their supportive politicians like Phil Gramm) probably espoused the very same deregulatory laws for the last 30 years that have caused the current mess we're in.

It is quite clearly the fault of Phil Gramm, Alan Greenspan and others who removed the post-Great Depression barriers between savings banks, investment banks, brokerages and insurers that led to this mess, NOT democrats.

Smoot Point Really
September-22nd-2008, 01:04 PM
The democrats did it (despite not being in control!)

I'm sure the nation will believe that. I heard the democrats also met secretly at night to eat babies.

Follow the money... Over nearly 2 decades, John McCain received about 21k in individual contributions from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac... In 3 years, Barack Obama received 126k...

I'm of the opinion that there are a number of people to blame here, but the ones who received the most in the shortest amount of time are the ones who should be hauled in front of the ethics committee...

I'll include the link: http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html

BRAVEONAWARPATH
September-22nd-2008, 01:06 PM
Follow the money... Over nearly 2 decades, John McCain received about 21k in individual contributions from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac... In 3 years, Barack Obama received 126k...

I'm of the opinion that there are a number of people to blame here, but the ones who received the most in the shortest amount of time are the ones who should be hauled in front of the ethics committee...

I'll include the link: http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html
You're right. It's Obama's fault.

Smoot Point Really
September-22nd-2008, 01:09 PM
You're right. It's Obama's fault.

I do believe I said that there were a number of people to blame... Since Obama is the one who received the most amount of money in the least amount of time, and since he also brought on as advisors 3 of the people who oversaw the collapse of Fannie Mae... It would be wise to start questioning him about it all.

BTW... Raines received over $90M in bonuses and his severance package included a lifetime $1M/year deal...

BRAVEONAWARPATH
September-22nd-2008, 01:12 PM
I do believe I said that there were a number of people to blame... Since Obama is the one who received the most amount of money in the least amount of time, and since he also brought on as advisors 3 of the people who oversaw the collapse of Fannie Mae... It would be wise to start questioning him about it all.
If you want Obama questioned about it that's fine with me.

karmacop
September-22nd-2008, 01:18 PM
I do believe I said that there were a number of people to blame... Since Obama is the one who received the most amount of money in the least amount of time, and since he also brought on as advisors 3 of the people who oversaw the collapse of Fannie Mae... It would be wise to start questioning him about it all.

Actually, I would start with John McCain, who was a proponent of the very deregulation which actually led to this mess. It's disingenuous to limit this discussion just to Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. What about Bear Stearns? AIG? Lehman Brothers?

And even if you just stick with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, I think McCain has more to answer for than Obama, considering how his current campaign manager had received over $2 million in lobbyist money from both entities from 2000 to 2002 simply for having "access" to McCain and to prevent any regulation of their business:


Senator John McCain’s campaign manager was paid more than $30,000 a month for five years as president of an advocacy group set up by the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stricter regulations, current and former officials say.

“The value that he brought to the relationship was the closeness to Senator McCain and the possibility that Senator McCain was going to run for president again,” said Robert McCarson, a former spokesman for Fannie Mae, who said that while he worked there from 2000 to 2002, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac together paid Mr. Davis’s firm $35,000 a month. Mr. Davis “didn’t really do anything,” Mr. McCarson, a Democrat, said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/22mccain.html?_r=4&ei=5070&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&emc=eta1&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1222107047-5aCksZkA7uuodYlwDEyVTg

jpyaks3
September-22nd-2008, 01:19 PM
Follow the money... Over nearly 2 decades, John McCain received about 21k in individual contributions from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac... In 3 years, Barack Obama received 126k...

I'm of the opinion that there are a number of people to blame here, but the ones who received the most in the shortest amount of time are the ones who should be hauled in front of the ethics committee...

I'll include the link: http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html

There are a few things wrong with this connection. Any employee could have made the contributions, the janitors, secretaries, he also has taken in more donations from smaller donors than anyone in history, so it should be assumed that he would receive more from people that work for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac then John McCain. With a campaign that has had more then 2 million individual donors are you really shocked that he had some from companies like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? IF you have any proof whatsoever that he did anything wrong or acted inappropriately in any manner then lets hear it but simply getting donations from individuals is nothing new or exciting. Lobbyist are who you have to worry about and McCain is surrounded by them Obama is not.

skinsfan44
September-22nd-2008, 01:59 PM
I don't blame the Democrats or the Republicans on this mess.

I blame the CEO's of these companies.

alexey
September-22nd-2008, 02:13 PM
Does anybody find it humorous to hear Republicans saying:

We have been for more regulation all along!!!

Raping of public interest for private gain is a direct result of the Republican philosphy, which is a deeply preverted version of real Conservatism. Due to actions or non-actions of the Republican administration and the Republican Congress, this has transpired in every industry in which it was possible. We have seen the beginning of Obama's attack on that philosophy. Republicans should expect a slow and painful development of that message all the way to a landslide loss in November.

DjTj
September-22nd-2008, 02:58 PM
Follow the money... Over nearly 2 decades, John McCain received about 21k in individual contributions from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac... In 3 years, Barack Obama received 126k...

I'm of the opinion that there are a number of people to blame here, but the ones who received the most in the shortest amount of time are the ones who should be hauled in front of the ethics committee...

I'll include the link: http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.htmlOh my god, Obama also received more donations from Exxon Mobil than any other candidate: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000129

And Chevron: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000015

He should be brought in front of the ethics committee for these high oil prices!

And he received $274,375 from Microsoft: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000115

He must be blamed for the poor performance of Windows!

$128,577 from Walt Disney: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000128

What sinister plots is Obama plotting with Mickey Mouse?

And he leads in donations from Bristol-Myers Squib: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000149

Why is Obama keeping our drug prices so high?

He also leads among UPS employees: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000081

And Bank of America: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000090

And General Electric: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000000125

And American Airlines: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=D000021021

...Actually, I think Obama is probably one of the top recipients of donations from employees of almost any company you can think of, because he has raised more money from more different people than any candidate in history. It doesn't show any particular corruption; just that he is good at raising money.

DeanCollins
September-22nd-2008, 03:07 PM
Does anybody find it humorous to hear Republicans saying:

We have been for more regulation all along!!!

Raping of public interest for private gain is a direct result of the Republican philosphy, which is a deeply preverted version of real Conservatism. Due to actions or non-actions of the Republican administration and the Republican Congress, this has transpired in every industry in which it was possible.

QFT- and the republicans still have their base completely own3d into thinking otherwise. Talk about blind loyalty :koolaid:

JMS
September-22nd-2008, 03:56 PM
Follow the money... Over nearly 2 decades, John McCain received about 21k in individual contributions from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac... In 3 years, Barack Obama received 126k...

I'm of the opinion that there are a number of people to blame here, but the ones who received the most in the shortest amount of time are the ones who should be hauled in front of the ethics committee...

I'll include the link: http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html

The money obma recieved was mostly from employees of the creidt institutions, not from the institution itself.

BRAVEONAWARPATH
September-22nd-2008, 04:01 PM
Smoot Point, you have been totally :owned: in this thread.

Everyone shares the blame for this.

Burgold
September-22nd-2008, 04:07 PM
This is as ridiculous as the Dems still arguing about the origin of the Iraq War. Who cares who started it? Really! What matters is that for however many years while this was building people watched it and did nothing. Did Bush and the Republican Congress have the power to avert and change the deregulation that lead to this over the last eight years... Yes! Could everyone see this coming? Yes! Are the Dems guilty for sitting on their hands for a year and a half and not at least proposing regulations that Bush might have vetoed to try to soften this day? Yes!

The starting point is irrelevent. It's even possible that when it started it was a good idea. However, if you start seeing things going to Hell you are obligated to intervene, change, and try to fix things!

So, other than winning the blame game... I really don't give a flip if you can trace the origin of this back to Hamilton, Carter, or Clinton. We neglected an infection, watched our patient get worse, refused to treat, and eventually needed to amputate. It's the neglect that's the bigger problem. But even that's part of the blame game. It's the course of treatment from here on out and treating the patient that is the most important.

Yes, it's important that we effed up and we need to recognize it so that we don't do it again, but pointing fingers is a waste of time. We all know who is responsible. All of us.

codeorama
September-22nd-2008, 06:38 PM
You're reaching.

There is enough blame to go around for everyone to take some of it.

Exactly...:cheers:

Destino
September-22nd-2008, 07:06 PM
Does anybody find it humorous to hear Republicans saying:

We have been for more regulation all along!!!

Raping of public interest for private gain is a direct result of the Republican philosphy, which is a deeply preverted version of real Conservatism. Due to actions or non-actions of the Republican administration and the Republican Congress, this has transpired in every industry in which it was possible. We have seen the beginning of Obama's attack on that philosophy. Republicans should expect a slow and painful development of that message all the way to a landslide loss in November.

I find it hilarious. Suddenly the "government just gets in the way" crowd is trying to pretend they were for regulation all along. Same goes for those assclowns on wallstreet that suddenly need government help.

jpyaks3
September-23rd-2008, 12:28 AM
Kevin Hassett is part of American Enterprise Institute a conservative think tank which railed against the bill that they are bitching that the Democrats didn't pass (even though Republicans has majority in 2005). They called it a "world class failure", insane what clowns like Hassett think they can get away with.

Here is an AEI article railing against the bill that would have saved the economy. What a joke. The hypocrisy is astounding.

http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.22705/pub_detail.asp

Yusuf06
September-23rd-2008, 01:00 AM
Actually, the thread title is somewhat correct. Phil Gramm (http://extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=5576771&postcount=9) did start his career as a Democrat. :) And no, I'm not buying for one second that all the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act did was allow us to use ATMs across state lines.

Smoot Point Really
September-23rd-2008, 06:33 AM
Oh my god, Obama also received more donations from

You are going to pretend you are being honest by listing a bunch of companies that happen to donate to Barack Obama as if they are somehow similar to Fannie Mae?

Which of those companies you mention are pseudo-Government controlled entities?

Which of those companies misrepresented their financial data so their executives could receive higher bonuses?

Which of those companies had three of those questionably unethical executives join the Barack Obama campaign?

I'm not saying Barack Obama or the Democrats are to blame... However, this needs to be looked into. If taxpayers are on the hook for 1 Trillion, then we should start with Fannie-Mae and Freddie Mac due to the nature of their Government relationship, the amount of cash that went into the pockets of congress, and the possible criminal activities of their executives that is on par with Enron (only a lot more money at stake).

Smoot Point Really
September-23rd-2008, 06:36 AM
QFT- and the republicans still have their base completely own3d into thinking otherwise. Talk about blind loyalty :koolaid:

Please... try not to encourage Alexey... So called, "moderate-Republicans" are in favor of more regulation. If you look at those entities who failed, it is the ones who were MORE regulated that failed.

Burgold
September-23rd-2008, 06:39 AM
You are going to pretend you are being honest by listing a bunch of companies that happen to donate to Barack Obama as if they are somehow similar to Fannie Mae?
.

"Senator John McCain’s campaign manager was paid more than $30,000 a month for five years as president of an advocacy group set up by the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stricter regulations, current and former officials say."

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=260688

It's one thing to take money from someone who freely donates it. It's another thing to actually hire the slimball Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac lobbiests themselves.

If one lives in glass houses, you know.

Smoot Point Really
September-23rd-2008, 06:46 AM
"Senator John McCain’s campaign manager was paid more than $30,000 a month for five years as president of an advocacy group set up by the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stricter regulations, current and former officials say."

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=260688

It's one thing to take money from someone who freely donates it. It's another thing to actually hire the slimball Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac lobbiests themselves.

If one lives in glass houses, you know.

30k/month isn't $100M and $1M/year for the rest of your life... I have no problem with lobbyists. It's a part of our political system to lobby. There is nothing evil about lobbying congress. Please, come with a fastball next time. :)

Burgold
September-23rd-2008, 07:01 AM
So, you have a problem with Freddie donating money, but not with McCain hiring the people Freddie and Fannie hired to make sure they could get away with the things that caused the mess? Interesting.

Donations may buy influence. Having advisors who were part of the scheme is being influenced.

Smoot Point Really
September-23rd-2008, 07:04 AM
Donations may buy influence. Having advisors who were part of the scheme is being influenced.

Being paid to influence congress is not the same as buying influence from congress...

Peeping Wizard
September-23rd-2008, 08:08 AM
Does anybody find it humorous to hear Republicans saying:

We have been for more regulation all along!!!

Raping of public interest for private gain is a direct result of the Republican philosphy, which is a deeply preverted version of real Conservatism. Due to actions or non-actions of the Republican administration and the Republican Congress, this has transpired in every industry in which it was possible. We have seen the beginning of Obama's attack on that philosophy. Republicans should expect a slow and painful development of that message all the way to a landslide loss in November.

The idea of overextending credit and putting people into homes who had no business being in homes vis a vie Freddie and Fannie can be layed directly on the door step of the Democratic Congress of the 90s. Fannie and Freddie going on a feeding binge and purchasing more garbage loans than they had business purchasing has been a huge catalyst for this entire mess.

For two years I reviwed those contracts that Freddie had with outside lenders. Trust me when I tell you that they were buying many loans that they had no business buying. Now we all get to pay for it.

But hey, home ownership increased from 65% to 69% over the past few years. Isn't that just dandy?

Yusuf06
September-23rd-2008, 08:51 AM
Peep, I think we'd all agree that Fannie and Freddie and the Democrat's support for them played a part in our financial crisis. However, the problem is that McCain and the GOP wants to deflect attention from the contributions of their march to deregulation which in the case of banking and commodities trading was spearheaded by Phil Gramm (http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/22/14203/6921)....who just so happened to be McCain's primary economic advisor - prior to his comment about us being a nation of whiners anyway.

As was pointed out earlier, there's plenty of blame to go around.

Peeping Wizard
September-23rd-2008, 10:34 AM
Peep, I think we'd all agree that Fannie and Freddie and the Democrat's support for them played a part in our financial crisis. However, the problem is that McCain and the GOP wants to deflect attention from the contributions of their march to deregulation which in the case of banking and commodities trading was spearheaded by Phil Gramm (http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/22/14203/6921)....who just so happened to be McCain's primary economic advisor - prior to his comment about us being a nation of whiners anyway.

As was pointed out earlier, there's plenty of blame to go around.


Fair enough.

youngestson
September-23rd-2008, 02:23 PM
Nice try.

Even from a casual reading it's obvious manipulation of two key stats and ignors deregulation effects.