Not Enough Film On Zorn Offense

[Sammy Baugh]

I think our Skins will be successful until the other teams have enough history on Zorn's play calling. Right now he has them absolutely baffled about what he is going to call next. The Dallas defense were falling all over themselves trying to maintain a one-on-one and at the same time giving our offense a clear picture of where they were going to be. As a new coach, Zorn is completely unpredictable and he is making it very hard for them to adjust. Adjust to what? Go back to the early Gibbs, do you see anything similarities? The down side is eventually they will have a book on Zorn and his tendicies. :eaglesuck:eaglesuck:eaglesuck:point2sky

[Xameil]

Well the nice thing is there are enough offensive weapons that will keep people guessing for quite some time. And start to throw in Thomas, and eventually Kelly...even more confusion for the opposing D's.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I'm not worried one bit.

Zorn is a very smart guy. They can know his tendencies, but he'll change them. He knows what he needs to do to win and he'll keep doing it.

[Saqs]

I love how every week JZ throws in a new wrinkle. The fake reverse and flip to Portis/Betts is an awesome play.

[bnewbs]

The balance our offense has now really contributes to the confusion as well. That and our offense is just gritty and mean this year it's so exciting. I mean the last drive was like 10 runs in a row and they just had no answer whatsoever.

[IbleedBnG83]

I like the call where JC was to do a run play but the ball popped out of CP's hands during the handoff and JC caught it in stride and ran it up the middle...genius!

[Skinz4Life12]

zorn is too smart for those other bamas!!! HTTR

[Skinz4Life12]

I like the call where JC was to do a play action but the ball popped out of CP's hands and JC caught in in stride and ran it up the middle...genius!

yea that was an extremely heads up play by JC. Could have been a hugggge momentum change if he didn't think quickly and hold on to that ball.

[CounterTrey75]

I think our Skins will be successful until the other teams have enough history on Zorn's play calling. Right now he has them absolutely baffled about what he is going to call next. The Dallas defense were falling all over themselves trying to maintain a one-on-one and at the same time giving our offense a clear picture of where they were going to be. As a new coach, Zorn is completely unpredictable and he is making it very hard for them to adjust. Adjust to what? Go back to the early Gibbs, do you see anything similarities? The down side is eventually they will have a book on Zorn and his tendicies. :eaglesuck:eaglesuck:eaglesuck:point2sky

If what you say is true, we should rule the nfl for the next 10 years!!!

[bnewbs]

Go back to the early Gibbs, do you see anything similarities? The down side is eventually they will have a book on Zorn and his tendicies.

Didn't Gibbs go 0-5 his first 5 games as a Skins coach?...logic fail

[Sammy Baugh]

I'm not worried one bit.

Zorn is a very smart guy. They can know his tendencies, but he'll change them. He knows what he needs to do to win and he'll keep doing it.

Yeh, don't you jest love it? It WILL BE exciting again, and funny, just to watch both sides of the ball when we are on offense. The defenses will be like the Keystone Cops --- you younger fans do know who they are don't you?:laugh:

[Sammy Baugh]

Didn't Gibbs go 0-5 his first 5 games as a Skins coach?...logic fail

I wasn't talking win/loss, I was thinking of the young tireless mind coming up with the counter trey, the gut and as previously mentioned, all of the weapons Gibbs had to use to bound up the defenses. :eaglesuck

[MartinC]

Didn't Gibbs go 0-5 his first 5 games as a Skins coach?...logic fail

He did. But we lead the NFL in offense through that stretch. We also lead the known Universe in turnovers which was the problem.

[FearDaSpear]

I like the call where JC was to do a run play but the ball popped out of CP's hands during the handoff and JC caught it in stride and ran it up the middle...genius!

That was Bettsee, but I agree JC kept his composure there and did what he had to do.

[Peeping Wizard]

In the limited time that I have had the pleasure of watching Zorn's offense, I have come to the conclusion that deception is a huge part of it. He likes to show one thing and do another. I have to believe that he is the type of guy that will use the opposition's study of his "tendencies" to his advantage. In other words, I think he will start to use similar formations that he has used early in the season to run the exact opposite type of play later in the season. While I know this is far from groundbreaking, I think it will help keep other teams off balance.

[maskedsuperstar]

The key is to keep opposing defenses off balance. No longer are the Skins a smash mouth team. Zorn is passing the ball down the field. Defenses no longer can put 8 in the box to stop Portis. Now, if Gibbs was still the HC, it would be run run run run run run. This is simply not the 80's NFL. The pass will open up the run. Zorn is aggressive. That is very positive.

[Sammy Baugh]

In the limited time that I have had the pleasure of watching Zorn's offense, I have come to the conclusion that deception is a huge part of it. He likes to show one thing and do another. I have to believe that he is the type of guy that will use the opposition's study of his "tendencies" to his advantage. In other words, I think he will start to use similar formations that he has used early in the season to run the exact opposite type of play later in the season. While I know this is far from groundbreaking, I think it will help keep other teams off balance.

Good take, I think you are dead on!

[gortiz]

okay, why did people not pick up on the rams offense from 1999-2003's? The pats offense the last few years? how about the ravens Defense? how have they been so good for so long? How about the 49'er's offense for all of the 80's and most of the 90's?

IT'S ALL ABOUT EXECUTION MY FRIEND. THIS LEAUGE IS SO DAMN ADVANCED NO ONE IS FULLING ANYONE. LINE UP AND PLAY, AND TRY TO STOP US. That's what it is about.

Brutal, brutal analysis. YOu make assumptions that are paper thin and really have no merit.

[BigRay]

Well, you have to look it this way what about Gibbs' in his hey day he ran the same offense the thing is to stop it which a lot of teams found hard to do. As for Zorn I think he will have a new wrinkle here and there to keep defenses off balance. Look at Eagles they run the same offense they have been very successful. So is your question can this offense be successful in the long run I would say yes.

[Sammy Baugh]

okay, why did people not pick up on the rams offense from 1999-2003's? The pats offense the last few years? how about the ravens Defense? how have they been so good for so long? How about the 49'er's offense for all of the 80's and most of the 90's?

IT'S ALL ABOUT EXECUTION MY FRIEND. THIS LEAUGE IS SO DAMN ADVANCED NO ONE IS FULLING ANYONE. LINE UP AND PLAY, AND TRY TO STOP US. That's what it is about.

Brutal, brutal analysis. YOu make assumptions that are paper thin and really have no merit.

At time all were new and unpredictable. Execution IS important! No matter how long it takes, some defensive coach is going to figure things out and execution falls because of over-reacting.:cheers:

[ejay183]

If what you say is true, we should rule the nfl for the next 10 years!!!

Oh yeah, I can live with that. Dont like the idea of three different QBs to win our Superbowls, but I will take them :)

[Om]

Absolutely the NFL will develop a book on Zorn. Thing is, the book they're reading from--and will continue to read from for the forseeable future--is the Readers Digest condensed version.

The offense we've seen so far still has the training wheels on. I hope no one (other than other teams' D coordinators of course) really believes Zorn has installed his entire playbook yet. Or that said playbook is going to be static going forward. As he gets more comfortable with his personnel, and as he sees what works, what doesn't and what teams are doing to take away what they've seen so far, he'll change too.

So far, my impression has been that his playcalling success has been more about keeping them guessing on run/pass, setting things up with false looks, and having a hot QB bail out some plays that have broken down, than about great scheme or showing teams things they've never seen before. I think he's just got a great feel for calling game. And that won't change, you either have it or you don't.

I don't see any reason at this point not to presume that the further we get into this thing, and the more he adds from his master playbook to the weekly playbook, he'll also be able to add gadgetry and surprises to the mix.

So yeah. The league will definitely develop a book ... but so will the guy they're trying to read.

[jthor99]

What I find so striking about Zorn is how balanced he has stayed with his calls in these 4 games. I thought honestly that we would see much more passing then run (pass vs run ratio). I agree, that teams will possibly start to "catch up" with him and this offense as more film comes out, but I still like the way this team is producing out on the field. They are building a certain swagger that really can take you along way. It's one thing to be talented and really not know it. It's another thing to know your talented and to trust everyone out there to get a job done. To me the Redskins are starting to build that. We just need to keep staying realtivley injury free, and I think this offense will just get better and better as the season wears on.

[jrockster21]

Yeah, because as soon as team's got film on Andy Reid's offense, they shut it down immediately.

Oh wait....

[BigRay]

As Om Stated the entire offense has not been installed they just giving a little bit every game I think this offense is just starting to scratch the surface. There is still a lot we haven't seen.

[ceviker]

The balance our offense has now really contributes to the confusion as well. That and our offense is just gritty and mean this year it's so exciting. I mean the last drive was like 10 runs in a row and they just had no answer whatsoever.

Sorry but that signature is just awesome

[Oldskool]

I think our Skins will be successful until the other teams have enough history on Zorn's play calling. Right now he has them absolutely baffled about what he is going to call next. The Dallas defense were falling all over themselves trying to maintain a one-on-one and at the same time giving our offense a clear picture of where they were going to be. As a new coach, Zorn is completely unpredictable and he is making it very hard for them to adjust. Adjust to what? Go back to the early Gibbs, do you see anything similarities? The down side is eventually they will have a book on Zorn and his tendicies. :eaglesuck:eaglesuck:eaglesuck:point2sky

If you've watched enough Holmgren style WCO, you see direct correlations between his system and the one that we are running in Washington. If you combine film of Holmgren's system and Zorn's, you get a pretty good idea what we are doing game by game.

The WCO has been around for ever now, long enough that most DC's will have film of everything. This team simply is executing it well now.

[sydshobob]

I'm not worried one bit.

Zorn is a very smart guy. They can know his tendencies, but he'll change them. He knows what he needs to do to win and he'll keep doing it.

I hope he's smart enough to move away from the short yardage slant and the pump-fake draw for a few weeks. I think he's using them too much. Other than that, he's been truly awesome. I don't like the idea of a play-calling head coach but he's making it work.

In the past, a long drive with points at the end seemed like a major challenge. Now it's almost expected. The punts are the exception rather than the rule. This is looking very positive.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Yeh, don't you jest love it? It WILL BE exciting again, and funny, just to watch both sides of the ball when we are on offense. The defenses will be like the Keystone Cops --- you younger fans do know who they are don't you?:laugh:

What are you talking about there Grandpa?

;)

[kingfish50]

Imagine how long it will take defenses to adjust to Zorn's offense if it's like..700 pages? lol

[Timmy Smith]

I don't want to get carried away, but our offense should be sick once (A) all our players really get the hang of it and (B) we start introducing Davis, Thomas, Kelly into the mix.

[Sonny9TD]

I like Zorn bunches and barrels full. He is the right man for the Skins if he can manage time well. I see this as his only weakness of concern. I need to see him in that position again to give him full responsibility of my beloved Hogs.

[RedskinsSuperBowl21]

He did. But we lead the NFL in offense through that stretch. We also lead the known Universe in turnovers which was the problem.

Bingo. IMO the key to winning games is winning the turnover battle. That is why I dont understand why teams like chicago stick with QBs that cant protect the football.

Turnovers can be the difference between a good team and a great team.