McCain Campaign: Northern VA is not "Real Virginia"

[Cooked Crack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzeGtPeQZbs

First Communist Country and now this? So for it to be Real Virginia you got to vote Republican?

Lets rewind back to the Republican Primaries. McCain won with help of apparently Fake Virginia.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#VA

[Teller]

Where was he speaking?

[Henry]

McCain himself didn't say it. But that's the second person in his campaign to do so.

Speaking as a native Northern Virginian, it's not something that would affect my vote but it's definitely not cool.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Where was he speaking?
Joe McCain was speaking somewhere in Loudoun County,VA.

[Teller]

Joe McCain was speaking somewhere in Loudoun County,VA.

:doh:

So it wasn't a case of playing to the home crowd.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

:doh:

So it wasn't a case of playing to the home crowd.
Nope. :(

[Toe Jam]

Wow. What idiots.

They should just all shut up now.

[BigMike619]

I can see why you guys have your panties all in a bunch but you do like to be considered "the DC area" so dont get too uppity about it.

[Larry]

Haven't you heard? In the GOP, "real" is now a code word for "Republican".

[MurrayH81]

okay, I listened to that clip twice. She said two things that reinforce a message:

1. They, the Democrats have just moved into Northern Virginia from D.C.

2. The Real Virginia is more Southern in nature.

It's hard to think that an intelligent and educated person would randomly string these two comments together in a 30 second interview and not mean "The blacks took over Northern Virginia, and real Virginia Southerners will vote as the racists they are." I think she intended her comments in that way, not daring to cut to the chase.

Disclaimer. Even though I now live in Oregon, I did live in Northern Virginia for 9 years, and West Virginia (Harpers Ferry) for 3.

[Leonard Washington]

I can see why you guys have your panties all in a bunch but you do like to be considered "the DC area" so dont get too uppity about it.
Do you patrol every political thread?:silly:

[Henry]

I can see why you guys have your panties all in a bunch but you do like to be considered "the DC area" so dont get too uppity about it.

How is a metro area not part of a state?

[BigMike619]

Do you patrol every political thread?:silly:

names leonard washington, and youre a wanted man.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/prhnic/LeonardWashington.jpg

actually yeah I do I guess. I just think its funny that the left attacks the right and then when the right retaliates the left gets all pissed off and downplays everything. makes me laugh and i usually just end up posting some random pictures.:silly:

[PokerPacker]

Lets be honest, folk, NOVA is different than the rest of Virginia.

[BigMike619]

How is a metro area not part of a state?

you just call me metro?

you bastard!! i am ALL MAN!!

they dont call me internet thor for nothing!!

seriously, I dont see this as a big enough deal to get all worked up over and I did just see a thread the other day that pretty much included all of VA, parts of WVA and most of MD as the DC Area. So why would you get so pissed if someone says you arent real VA? maybe he means the parts that ARENT the DC Area. ever think of that?

[BigMike619]

Lets be honest, folk, NOVA is different than the rest of Virginia.

http://www.kansas-bingo.com/topeka/topeka-bingo.jpg

[Henry]

you just call me metro?

you bastard!! i am ALL MAN!!

they dont call me internet thor for nothing!!

seriously, I dont see this as a big enough deal to get all worked up over and I did just see a thread the other day that pretty much included all of VA, parts of WVA and most of MD as the DC Area. So why would you get so pissed if someone says you arent real VA? maybe he means the parts that ARENT the DC Area. ever think of that?

Yeah, I think we refer to it as Southern Virginia? :)

Different does not mean fake. Being the metro area of a city does not mean fake (or, in your case, not all man.)

Poor choice of words. Not cool.

I don't know if that qualifies as bunched panties, but there it is.

[DjTj]

Lets be honest, folk, NOVA is different than the rest of Virginia.Southwest Virginia is also different from the rest of Virginia. The Tidewater region is different from the rest of Virginia. Richmond is different from the rest of Virginia.

Which part is the "real" Virginia?

[BigMike619]

Yeah, I think we refer to it as Southern Virginia? :)

Different does not mean fake. Being the metro area of a city does not mean fake (or, in your case, not all man.)

Poor choice of words. Not cool.

I don't know if that qualifies as bunched panties, but there it is.

hey man, poor choice of words sums it up perfectly. 57 states, right? ;)

[Henry]

hey man, poor choice of words sums it up perfectly. 57 states, right? ;)

Maybe a better comparison would be the 'clinging to guns and religion' line.

I'm not suggesting that the Obama campaign never says dumb things. :)

[BigMike619]

Maybe a better comparison would be the 'clinging to guns and religion' line.

I'm not suggesting that the Obama campaign never says dumb things. :)

no, i think sticking with geography worked fine. one doesnt know how many states there are and the other doesnt know where the stares are period ;)

[Leonard Washington]

names leonard washington, and youre a wanted man.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/prhnic/LeonardWashington.jpg


I owe you a beer for recognizing my namesake! :cheers:

[TrumanB]

Lets be honest, folk, NOVA is different than the rest of Virginia.
You racist.

[BigMike619]

I owe you a beer for recognizing my namesake! :cheers:

gi gi gi get your ass in the car!!!

leonard washington is my primary chapelle impression i do.

First of all, I think y'better watch your tone son..

My name's Leonard Washington. Where I'm from? A little town called None Of Your Godd**n Business..

You better check ya tone girl, put ya inside voice on. 'Fore I put ya ass outside!

[TrumanB]

Southwest Virginia is also different from the rest of Virginia. The Tidewater region is different from the rest of Virginia. Richmond is different from the rest of Virginia.

Which part is the "real" Virginia?
The ones that are not left-wing liberal. I live in south central Virginia and believe me, northern Viriginia has very few things in common with the rest of the state. We down here see it as an extension of D.C.

[PokerPacker]

We down here see it as an extension of D.C.
and a bank :mad:

[Ray Brown]

Southwest Virginia is also different from the rest of Virginia. The Tidewater region is different from the rest of Virginia. Richmond is different from the rest of Virginia.

Which part is the "real" Virginia?

true, but sw Va, tidewater, richmond, anywhere but NOVA share many similarities and IMO can fairly be labeled, "real Virginia". NOVA is it's own entity and there is no denying that, it is completely different from the majority of the rest of the state.

[MurrayH81]

The ones that are not left-wing liberal. I live in south central Virginia and believe me, northern Viriginia has very few things in common with the rest of the state. We down here see it as an extension of D.C.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, so can you list all of the ways you find it to be different? I know it is, but I am not a Virginian.

[TrumanB]

I don't want to put words in your mouth, so can you list all of the ways you find it to be different? I know it is, but I am not a Virginian.
Well, you've already put words in this woman's mouth, basically accusing her of being a racist and that she really meant to say "the blacks took over northern Virginia". Why stop with her?

It really is pathetic to see Obama and his supporters playing the race card at every turn. To be honest with you, when I think of northern Virginia, I don't think of a "bunch of black people". I think of a bunch of wine-sipping left-wing liberals. And I've lived in that part of the state too. But, keep your racial accusations going. That is what is going to make the difference in this election.

[aREDSKIN]

Haven't you heard? In the GOP, "real" is now a code word for "Republican".

Conversely, is "unreal" is code for Democrats?

[Henry]

Haven't you heard? In the GOP, "real" is now a code word for "Republican".


The ones that are not left-wing liberal.

There you go.

[MurrayH81]

Well, you've already put words in this woman's mouth, basically accusing her of being a racist and that she really meant to say "the blacks took over northern Virginia". Why stop with her?

I didn't accuse her of being a racist. I said that I cannot conceive of any other explanation that would permit an educated, well spoken person person to link those two sentences together in that way other than meaning that Southern bigots would outvote DC african americans. Your below comment shows another potential reason. I am wondering if the different veiwpoints have to do with our differences in life experience.


It really is pathetic to see Obama and his supporters playing the race card at every turn. To be honest with you, when I think of northern Virginia, I don't think of a "bunch of black people". I think of a bunch of wine-sipping left-wing liberals. And I've lived in that part of the state too. But, keep your racial accusations going. That is what is going to make the difference in this election.

First of all, if this was directed towards me, I am not a supporter of either of these two presidential candidates. I thought that was fairly clear. I don't think either would be good for America or the People.

So lets assume that I looked at what was said, and drew a plausible conclusion from the comments made by this person, in public, in a heated campaign that has been tinged with bias, prejudice and racism.

Couldn't the message have been delivered in an unambigous way if the person speaking had meant 'wine-sipping left-wing liberals', especially when an african American gave her an opportunity to back away from the interpretation that I took, and lady chose to use the word Southern (or do you honestly think she mean beer-chugging right-wing conservatives?).

[WVUforREDSKINS]

Whatever. I agree with her. I always tell people I am from "Northern VA" when I am out of town.

[stupidmorals]

Well, to be fair, perhaps some of those from the northern Virginia area who spew filth from their mouths should stop referencing how superior they are to the region south of them. "Don't lump me in with those people! I'm not from Virginia! I'm from NOVA!! We're our own state!! LOL!!!"

Fine, you want so very much to be from a different state? Move back to Maryland.

I normally try to be level-headed on the rare occasions when I post on here and I realize I'm being a jerk and doing some massive generalizing, but it irks me no end when a bunch of yuppie no-nothings, with an overdeveloped Daddy complex, bad-mouth the state my family has lived in since the 1630's, and that I love, as somehow inferior because we lack the requisite fourteen different coffee shops on every street. The above quotation is darn near verbatim. She might have even actually spelled out "LOL". And then there was the toolbag the other day who laughed in my face because I come from a town "with farms in it!" Yeah, that's right, wadling, farms... you ever eat anything before?

[BigMike619]

dont send them to MD, we got enough problems without having to deal with VA bamas who dont know what blinkers are and cant drive for ****!!

lol

[Ivy94f]

Well, you've already put words in this woman's mouth, basically accusing her of being a racist and that she really meant to say "the blacks took over northern Virginia". Why stop with her?

It really is pathetic to see Obama and his supporters playing the race card at every turn. To be honest with you, when I think of northern Virginia, I don't think of a "bunch of black people". I think of a bunch of wine-sipping left-wing liberals. And I've lived in that part of the state too. But, keep your racial accusations going. That is what is going to make the difference in this election.
What's REALLY pathetic is for someone to keep using the accusation 'playing the race card' and I haven't seen that anywhere on this thread. The interpretation of what I'm seeing is that she was comparing the nova area (calling it more liberal) and the 'real virginia' being 'southern' which is code for either conservative or republican. I think that's what she's saying also, but during an election year, you have to be careful about alienating those who are voters.

[Larry]

What's REALLY pathetic is for someone to keep using the accusation 'playing the race card' and I haven't seen that anywhere on this thread. The interpretation of what I'm seeing is that she was comparing the nova area (calling it more liberal) and the 'real virginia' being 'southern' which is code for either conservative or republican. I think that's what she's saying also, but during an election year, you have to be careful about alienating those who are voters.

Agreed. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that she was saying "real" = "white".

IMO, she was likely saying "real" = "Republican".

[Ivy94f]

dont send them to MD, we got enough problems without having to deal with VA bamas who dont know what blinkers are and cant drive for ****!!

lol
Okay, gotta give you points for that one.:laugh:

[TrumanB]

What's REALLY pathetic is for someone to keep using the accusation 'playing the race card' and I haven't seen that anywhere on this thread.


It's hard to think that an intelligent and educated person would randomly string these two comments together in a 30 second interview and not mean "The blacks took over Northern Virginia, and real Virginia Southerners will vote as the racists they are."
You were saying?

[MurrayH81]

You were saying?

Did you even bother to read my comments? Really TrumanB, I read yours, and took the time to fashion a considerate, even handed response to what you said.

In response, I get a quotation of a different post that had to do with playing the race card (which I am not trying to do), and the three words you typed above. :doh:

Okay, I get it, my interpretation could be wrong (as I stated in the post that you just replied to) and isn't the only one possible.

Again, why would someone (anyone) use those two phrases, in close proxmity, in a campaign riddled with accusations and counter-accusations, sound-bytes, etc -- that could be reasonably interpretted by anyone to have the meaning I postulated?

Disclaimer - Not supporting either main party, am Caucasian, am living in the West, am living in a farming community.

[GoSkins561]

I can see why you guys have your panties all in a bunch but you do like to be considered "the DC area" so dont get too uppity about it.

Exactly, enough said.

[Larry]

Again, why would someone (anyone) use those two phrases, in close proxmity, in a campaign riddled with accusations and counter-accusations, sound-bytes, etc -- that could be reasonably interpretted by anyone to have the meaning I postulated?

:secret:Your idea of "reasonably" appears different from every other poster in this thread.

Not certain, but I suspect that you're the only person in this thread who thinks those were racial comments.

[MurrayH81]

:secret:Your idea of "reasonably" appears different from every other poster in this thread.

Not certain, but I suspect that you're the only person in this thread who thinks those were racial comments.

That's fine, I can live with that. I am on the outside looking in, and am not responding to the REAL word per se, but the "out of DC" and "Southern" comments.

As I said, I could be wrong.

[Special K]

Meh, I don't see what's a big deal about this statement besides the fact that it was a poor choice of words for her to use.

By saying "real" Virginia, I would not referring to a black/white thing, I would be saying that NOVA has become an extension of the D.C. metro area where a lot of politicians live. And when I said "real," I meant an area that is not a bloc of people in the political world, but people who have jobs outside politics and represent more of the everyday American.

That's how I look at the situation and how I would have argued it...but she clearly screwed that up by infusing partisan politics and alluding to the fact that democrat did not equal "real." Dumb thing for a campaign spokesperson to say as it further alienates a group of people.

Both campaigns have had people say stupid crap. This definitely constitutes "stupid crap" and saying that is not a smart political tactic.

[Jumbo]

Both campaigns have had people say stupid crap. This definitely constitutes "stupid crap" and saying that is not a smart political tactic.

Were what the nation needed more than anything was a platform heavily slanted to the propagation of stupid crap, then the fact that so many party-head-campaigners seem devoted to spreading stupid crap, and large contingents of supporters for both candidates seem to be on board and feel at home with such stupid crap, our nation would be guaranteed bright days ahead no matter who won. :silly:

[mistertim]

Sort of reminds me of Rumsfeld talking about "new Europe" and "old Europe" (aka those that wouldn't go along with what we wanted). Is there any state that doesn't have areas that are ideologically different than others? Give me a break. Virginia is Virginia. If it goes blue, it goes blue. Get over it.

[Larry]

Sort of reminds me of Rumsfeld talking about "new Europe" and "old Europe" (aka those that wouldn't go along with what we wanted). Is there any state that doesn't have areas that are ideologically different than others? Give me a break. Virginia is Virginia. If it goes blue, it goes blue. Get over it.

Or, another way of looking at it: Has there ever been a group of Americans who didn't think that they were the real Americans?

How many virulent partisans on this board don't think that the Founding Fathers would agree with them?

(Or, as I once heard it: Opinions are like (4 letters: flatulence). Everybody's got them, They're always willing to share, And they all stink but your own.)

[JimboDaMan]

hey man, poor choice of words sums it up perfectly. 57 states, right? ;)Fascinates me whenever I see this. A clear sign of somebody who hasn't done his homework. Obama never said "57 states". But if he had, that would qualify as a slip of the tongue, not a poor choice of words.

[Chief skin]

Moments like these and the brutal traffic I am glad I dont live there any more. That old fart and his slut vp could not pay me to vote for them

[Ivy94f]

You were saying?
I was taking issue with your statement about the race card being played at every opportunity by 'Obama and his supporters'. I'm still waiting for where that was. The post clearly says that he was not a supporter of either candidate, but those were HIS interpretations. That's the issue I have, is that if someone takes offense to something because they feel its racially insensitive, its not a 'card' that's being played. The interpretation may be right or wrong, but to say that its just a tactic and not a reality in ppl's lives is dismissing it as a possibility and therefore why would anything change? Its this kind of complacency that allows ppl to get away with that kind of crap. I don't know if this situation qualifies, but I can see someone finding something offensive in what she said.

[JimboDaMan]

Moments like these and the brutal traffic I am glad I dont live there any more. That old fart and his slut vp could not pay me to vote for themDude, that was uncalled for.

[brandymac27]

Moments like these and the brutal traffic I am glad I dont live there any more. That old fart and his slut vp could not pay me to vote for them


:doh:

[TuckahoeSkin]

Or, another way of looking at it: Has there ever been a group of Americans who didn't think that they were the real Americans?

How many virulent partisans on this board don't think that the Founding Fathers would agree with them?

(Or, as I once heard it: Opinions are like (4 letters: flatulence). Everybody's got them, They're always willing to share, And they all stink but your own.)

To be better put, 'everyone likes the smell of their own brand."

[TuckahoeSkin]

Fascinates me whenever I see this. A clear sign of somebody who hasn't done his homework. Obama never said "57 states". But if he had, that would qualify as a slip of the tongue, not a poor choice of words.


He said 57 states. It's not some "wingnut internet rumor."

[JimboDaMan]

He said 57 states. It's not some "wingnut internet rumor."So you have a link to the quote?

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

So you have a link to the quote?

http://www.obamafactcheck.com/facts/10/339976.shtml

[JimboDaMan]

http://www.obamafactcheck.com/facts/10/339976.shtmlI know it can be taken that way. There's actually more to the quote, another pause, where he details the three plus four states that made up the "seven". Plus he mentioned one more, plus Alaska and Hawaii. So you can decide to add them all and come up with 67 if you want.

[SpringfieldSkins]

Northern VA is the "Real" VA.


The rest of VA is just eastern WV leeching off of our taxpayer dollars and all. I guess all of the republicans in the state like that, you know, income redistribution. That woman is dumber than a bag of bricks.

[Prosperity]

Lets be honest, folk, NOVA is different than the rest of Virginia.

Richmond is different NoVa they are both different than Shanandoah and they are all different than the Chesapeake area

VA is a big state why expect it to be homogeneous?

[JimboDaMan]

Northern VA is the "Real" VA.


The rest of VA is just eastern WV leeching off of our taxpayer dollars and all. I guess all of the republicans in the state like that, you know, income redistribution. That woman is dumber than a bag of bricks.Well, I wouldn't put it in quite so inflammatory words. But you bring up a good point. NoVa really is much more liberal, while the rest of VA ranges from mildly conservative to the red-meat variety. Yet these good conservatives who dominate the Virginia legislature practice redistribution of wealth on a massive scale, taking tax dollars from the north to build their roads and other projects.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I know it can be taken that way. There's actually more to the quote, another pause, where he details the three plus four states that made up the "seven". Plus he mentioned one more, plus Alaska and Hawaii. So you can decide to add them all and come up with 67 if you want.
I just listened to it and I see your point. Slightly....lol

[Larry]

Removed.

(I seem to be doing that a lot.)

[SpringfieldSkins]

Well, I wouldn't put it in quite so inflammatory words. But you bring up a good point. NoVa really is much more liberal, while the rest of VA ranges from mildly conservative to the red-meat variety. Yet these good conservatives who dominate the Virginia legislature practice redistribution of wealth on a massive scale, taking tax dollars from the north to build their roads and other projects.


Well I was half-joking.

I do take offense when somebody tries to put down northern Virginia. Just like any other metropolitan area, we have more liberals than conservatives. That's just the plain and simple facts, I can't think of any metropolitan area in the country that leans liberal.

But for anyone to put us NoVA'ers down because we lean liberal is assenine. We pay 70% of the taxes for the state and only see 30 cents per dollar paid. To me that is rediculous, but perhaps that's just the fiscal conservative coming out.


We are the real Virginia because if it weren't for us, the rest of the state would be floundering with a lack of money. The nice roads and interstates that can be found anywhere (other than NoVA) in the state would be non-existant if it weren't for our hard earned taxpayer dollars.


So yes, I think that NoVA is different than the rest of VA. We are the "Real" VA.

[DCSaints_fan]

Robert E. Lee disagrees

Thats why he named his army after us :)

[Special K]

Were what the nation needed more than anything was a platform heavily slanted to the propagation of stupid crap, then the fact that so many party-head-campaigners seem devoted to spreading stupid crap, and large contingents of supporters for both candidates seem to be on board and feel at home with such stupid crap, our nation would be guaranteed bright days ahead no matter who won. :silly:
Well, can't argue with that after having watched clips of rallies for both candidates...good Lordie.

I don't know the exact reason behind the constant spewing of stupid crap...whether candidates and their campaign officials are just videoed on a constant basis and the video catches all the stupid crap that normal humans say in regular intervals...or whether politicians and their campaign officials are just so biased and out of touch with reality that they say more stupid crap than a normal human being AND it gets videoed.

IMO, it's the latter. However, that doesn't explain the stupid crap that comes from the mouths of some of their most ardent supporters. I guess they are just so biased, they don't realize the copious amount of stupid crap that comes out of their mouths (me included on occasion).

Regardless, I've reached my threshold for stupid crap and just want this stupid election to be over with so I don't have to hear stupid crap every time I turn on the stupid news.

[MurrayH81]

Regardless, I've reached my threshold for stupid crap and just want this stupid election to be over with so I don't have to hear stupid crap every time I turn on the stupid news.

I hope it will end, but don't be to dis-heartened if it doesn't. The mainstream press has nothing better to do since they don't really do much meaningfull political investigative journalism nor presentation of information.

With those restrictions, we are headed for a continous burst of excrement until all Americans stand up together and get rid of two-party control of government, and make sure the Media gets returned to Journalism (by hitting them square in the pocketbook).

Add your vote and voice to the effort today!

[DeanCollins]

McCain himself didn't say it. But that's the second person in his campaign to do so.

Speaking as a dyed in the wool republican, it's not something that would affect my vote but it's definitely not cool.

fixed it for you ;)

[Midnight Judges]

Disclaimer: I am freakin wasted right now.

OK, I have major problems with any POS who wants to tell me, a guy who was born and raised in VA, that I am somehow not a "real" virginian.

Then again, this McCain spokesperson is just trying to instigate tension between the regions of our great state for her own political gain, and I think that is pathetic.

So, in order to counteract this obvious and profound stupidity, let me just say that I love my brothers in Harrisburg, Bristol, and Danville, and I love the wonderful culture and history we share. I also love the beauty of the Blue ridge Mountains and the folks who live there. Every Virginian is proud of the world's largest naval base.

Most of all, Virginians have a real disdain for BS negative political campaigns that aim to divide families, and I am proud of that most of all. And that is why this woman has no clue about the greatness of the commonwealth she lives in. Hopefully she will learn someday.

[Special K]

fixed it for you ;)
You're joking, right?

[TheLongshot]

I do take offense when somebody tries to put down northern Virginia. Just like any other metropolitan area, we have more liberals than conservatives. That's just the plain and simple facts, I can't think of any metropolitan area in the country that leans liberal.

Actually, I'd call it probably pretty balanced, which is probably still different from the rest of Virginia. There is a lot of military in NVA, which is traditionally conservative. Also there are a lot of government contractors who are former military as well, not to mention a lot who are conservatives as well.


But for anyone to put us NoVA'ers down because we lean liberal is assenine. We pay 70% of the taxes for the state and only see 30 cents per dollar paid. To me that is rediculous, but perhaps that's just the fiscal conservative coming out.

Yeah, that is often the issue in this state. Most of the big money jobs are in this area.

Jason

[Corcaigh]

The McCain campaign and the Republican party needs to take a hard look at themselves and ask why Northern Virginia is going blue ... with the two richest and best educated counties in the nation (Loudoun and Fairfax), a high percentage of ex military, many government contractors, and the location of Pentagon and other military bases.

Suggesting that NoVa has gone democrat because it's part of DC Metro is missing the point that this is a very wealthy area where many Americans (and immigrants) have moved to raise their families because of the employment, good schools, thriving youth sports, and social opportunities. If that isn't the Republican base they seriously need to look at their policies.

[TuckahoeSkin]

So far I've seen a lot of posts about NOVA having a more educated populace, which, in that posters mind, explains why NOVA is more blue. No one to this point has made the correlation to FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS and the amount of blue voters. As the federal government has grown, NOVA has turned blue. It's as simple as that.

Bigger government. More democrats.

[Corcaigh]

So far I've seen a lot of posts about NOVA having a more educated populace, which, in that posters mind, explains why NOVA is more blue.

No one to this point has made the correlation to FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS and the amount of blue voters. As the federal government has grown, NOVA has turned blue.


Government contractors are educated business men and women, many of whom are veterans. The growth in government contractors has coincided with a Republican in the White House. Outsourcing government work to contractors rather than employees can be called a handout if you want, but it's a 'handout' made to businesses that are competing with each other on a lowest cost basis. This is different to hiring huge numbers of government employees

The argument is not whether smarter people vote Democrat. The point is that smart, entrepreneurial people living their version of the American Dream in Northern Virginia are not finding the Republican message attractive. That should be a concern to the Republican party and claiming that the answer is 'handouts' or the NoVa is not 'real' Virginia is adopting the approach of attack the opposition rather than fix the issues within the Republican camp.

[TuckahoeSkin]

The growth of the federal government has attracted more democrat minded employees into NOVA. Yes, it was due to policies of the Bush Admionistration. It was a huge mistake on his part. But pointing out that it happened under a Republican Administration does not change the fact that more democrat voters are drawn to the area for those jobs.

[Corcaigh]

The growth of the federal government has attracted more democrat minded employees into NOVA.

If so, the question is why educated entrepreneurs and technology workers are democrat minded, rather than republican. These are middle class, and upper middle class Americans and the Republican party is losing them.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

You know what? **** it.

She's right.

I'm not a Virginian. I'm a Northern Virginian. First generation. Hell, I'm a Washingtonian more then a Virginian.

So let's just end this charade.

Virginia very clearly doesn't really want us. (If at all, it's for our money.) Ask the McCain camp. Ask George Allen. Ask TrumanB. We're not family. We're the outsiders. We're elitish, snobish, commie-pinko liberals from up North. Not real Virginians.

That's cool. I can live with that.

But now I want my own state.

The State of Northern Virginia.

It's coming. It's only a matter of time.

I honestly don't see what we have to lose.


And for the record, I'm an expert on this topic. I can see the "Real" Virginia from the roof of my house.

[Heisenberg]

You know what? **** it.

She's right.

I'm not a Virginian. I'm a Northern Virginian. First generation. Hell, I'm a Washingtonian more then a Virginian.

So let's just end this charade.

Virginia very clearly doesn't really want us. (If at all, it's for our money.) Ask the McCain camp. Ask George Allen. Ask TrumanB. We're not family. We're the outsiders. We're elitish, snobish, commie-pinko liberals from up North. Not real Virginians.

That's cool. I can live with that.

But now I want my own state.

The State of Northern Virginia.

It's coming. It's only a matter of time.

I honestly don't see what we have to lose.


And for the record, I'm an expert on this topic. I can see the "Real" Virginia from the roof of my house.

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[MurrayH81]

Virginia very clearly doesn't really want us. (If at all, it's for our money.) Ask the McCain camp. Ask George Allen. Ask TrumanB. We're not family. We're the outsiders. We're elitish, snobish, commie-pinko liberals from up North. Not real Virginians.

You forgot wine-sipping (TrumanB), from D.C.(spokewoman), and Un-Southern(spokeswoman).

Oh, not real Americans(Gov. Palin), and wealth-redistributing(Joe the Plumber), anti-business(Many posters here), economy killers (ditto last).

*Possibly terrorist supporting(right-wing nutjobs) as well, although that seems to be on a simmer this week.*

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[Baculus]

I can see why you guys have your panties all in a bunch but you do like to be considered "the DC area" so dont get too uppity about it.

No, it is more so the continual habit of the McCain campaign, as well as the Right, deciding who is "American" and who is not.

Heck, Republican cheerleaders such as Ann Coulter have written entire books on this subject.

Republican = "real American"
Democrat = traitors
support the war = "real" American
anti-war = traitors
southern and western = "real" American
urban Americans = traitors
McCain = "real" American
Obama = traitor

We see this ALL the time, on the national stage and just the microcosm of the ES Tailgate. The Right dehumanizes their opponents all the time, reducing them to mere "commie traitors."

The McCain campaign has the slogan of "Country First," which is hogwash, because it is party first. The national Republican party has devolved into a divisive entity concerned little with Americans that aren't on "its side."

[dcoles11]

The republican party is an absolute joke and the decent republicans need to take their party back.

You have this bimbo Palin saying she likes being around "real American's" when speaking in NC and now apparently Northern Va isn't American either.

How does this help America? How is this a good thing for the country to say that some are and some aren't Americans?

Limbaugh, Hanity, Palin, ect, ect.......if you listen to these people you need to seriously do some self reflection.

[MurrayH81]

I think the things we are talking about here go further back in history than we are willing to acknowledge.

Case in point - http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=266215

further evidence that neither party represents America or Americans. They represent power for themselves first and foremost.

[skinsfan_1215]

As a native central Virginian, and now a GMU student, I can honestly say that NOVA is not "real Virginia." More like DC suburbs. That being said, that was an incredibly stupid thing to say politically.

[WVUforREDSKINS]

I don't understand why this is a big deal. It is clear that NOVA is much different than the rest of VA.
What was this comment gonna do besides make people on the left slightly annoyed (at the most). It isn't like Republicans living in NOVA would get mad about this, and it definitely wouldn't effect on who they vote for. In fact, they might agree.

Many Republicans hate living in this liberal hell hole:)

[Baculus]

I don't understand why this is a big deal. It is clear that NOVA is much different than the rest of VA.
What was this comment gonna do besides make people on the left slightly annoyed (at the most). It isn't like Republicans living in NOVA would get mad about this, and it definitely wouldn't effect on who they vote for. In fact, they might agree.

Many Republicans hate living in this liberal hell hole:)

I think the problem is with the Mccain campaign, and many Republicans, always trying to seemingly decide who is a "real"...whatever.

[Corcaigh]

As a native central Virginian, and now a GMU student, I can honestly say that NOVA is not "real Virginia."

Is Norfolk real Virginia? How about Middleburg horse country, or Loudoun County vineyards? Or Chincoteague or Charlottesville?

What is "real Virginia" in the 21st century?

[WVUforREDSKINS]

I think the problem is with the Mccain campaign, and many Republicans, always trying to seemingly decide who is a "real"...whatever.

True.

The right of late has tried to make any area that is democratic seem Un- American and therefore not real America.

[RaleighSkinsMann]

I'm from Falls Church...baileys Crossroads to be exact...and I find that quite offending....she should take her ass to bama beach than...

[stupidmorals]

You know what? **** it.

She's right.

I'm not a Virginian. I'm a Northern Virginian. First generation. Hell, I'm a Washingtonian more then a Virginian.

Y'see, that's the problem. When I go elsewhere in the state and people ask me where I'm from, I actually name the little town I'm from. And then I have to name the county, and then I have to give a geographical description related to the nearest city, because no one has ever heard of these places.

I've never heard someone from Danville declare themselves to be from "Southern Virginia". Not the first time around, anyway. Yet, I run into people all the time who, when asked where they are from, say "Northern Virginia". What? That's pretty vague. Are you from Alexandria? Manassas? Warrenton?

Growing up, I never thought of northern Virginia as "Northern Virginia". It was all just Virginia. All of it a part of the commonwealth; everything that was good about Arlington and Woodbridge and Reston, about Lynchburg and Martinsville and Blacksburg, about Fredericksburg and Charlottesville and Richmond, was good about Virginia.

I think maybe that's what some people have issues with. I never thought of northern Virginia as a separate region until I started hearing a lot of people from the area repeatedly referring to it in a distinct, separate fashion. Maybe I've got the order of operations messed up on that one, I don't know. But I think that's part of why some people feel northern Virginia is "full of a bunch of 'come-here's'" upset about having to live in Virginia and deciding that, "at least we'll make our part of it 'civilized'", or something.

I just feel like recognizing northern Virginia as a distinct entity, separate from everywhere else in the commonwealth, is somehow... divisive and petty. It is somehow insulting to the greatest of all states, and to all its residents who love Virginia dearly and identify with it. And that goes for everyone who lives here; no need for regional hostilities, everybody, you're already a Virginian and it doesn't get any better than that.
:cheers:


Besides, we really need to be on the lookout for those Ohio people... those zealots are WAY too unified to be up to anything but dastardly evil plans...:paranoid:

[skinfan13]

okay, I listened to that clip twice. She said two things that reinforce a message:

1. They, the Democrats have just moved into Northern Virginia from D.C.

2. The Real Virginia is more Southern in nature.

It's hard to think that an intelligent and educated person would randomly string these two comments together in a 30 second interview and not mean "The blacks took over Northern Virginia, and real Virginia Southerners will vote as the racists they are." I think she intended her comments in that way, not daring to cut to the chase.

Disclaimer. Even though I now live in Oregon, I did live in Northern Virginia for 9 years, and West Virginia (Harpers Ferry) for 3. ?

Pretty sure the demographics haven't changed drastically toward more balck populations in NOVA. Percentage of white's has gone down, but thats because of all the rich Indians, asians, etc. that have moved to NOVA. Its becoming more multi-cultural, not more Black and less White.

What I can say is that yes, NOVA certaintly does not reflect the rest of Virginia anymore. It's very liberal and a lot of yuppie democrats have moved to the area. they certaintly have changed the political demographic. NOVA culture is much different than Virginia culture down past Fredricksburg and Winchester.

and we southerners are not all racist pricks, thank you very much.

[shk75]

But the problem I see with this argument is that it can be made about pretty much any metro area in any state. For example...metro Atlanta is not "real' Georgia. Miami-Dade is not "real" Florida. New Orleans is not "real" Louisiana. Whenever you have a big state there will be different types of places within each state. To try to say which is "real" and which is fake is just dumb.

[MurrayH81]

?

Pretty sure the demographics haven't changed drastically toward more balck populations in NOVA. Percentage of white's has gone down, but thats because of all the rich Indians, asians, etc. that have moved to NOVA. Its becoming more multi-cultural, not more Black and less White.


Okay, I see you understood her language and my point. When she said "democrats move out of DC" I interpeted that as non-Caucasian because there were not a majority of "white yuppie liberal types" living in DC to do the moving out of. Working, sure. Living, no.


and we southerners are not all racist pricks, thank you very much.

Sorry if my posts throughout gave you the impression that I thought that was the case. I don't. I only think of 'Southern' in that way when it is presented in tandem with a racial issue, as I originally contended.

I do try hard to learn from rather than live in the past, and not generalize entire populations by the actions of a few. We certainly have our share of race themed bigots out in the West.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

It's amazing how often the right-wing divides the country into "Real Americans" and "Fake Americans." The East Coast is not "Real America." "Northern Virginia" is not "Real Virginia." Democratic Politicians can't be "Real Catholics."

In the immortal words of Rodney Dangerfield, "Who died and made you Pope of this dump?"

[Prosperity]

You know what? **** it.

She's right.

I'm not a Virginian. I'm a Northern Virginian. First generation. Hell, I'm a Washingtonian more then a Virginian.

So let's just end this charade.

Virginia very clearly doesn't really want us. (If at all, it's for our money.) Ask the McCain camp. Ask George Allen. Ask TrumanB. We're not family. We're the outsiders. We're elitish, snobish, commie-pinko liberals from up North. Not real Virginians.

That's cool. I can live with that.

But now I want my own state.

The State of Northern Virginia.

It's coming. It's only a matter of time.

I honestly don't see what we have to lose.


And for the record, I'm an expert on this topic. I can see the "Real" Virginia from the roof of my house.

dude you act like the rest of VA is bum**** rural country

I think it's best for all Virginians if we come together and realize the great potential of our state. It is good to have a heterogeneous state, we have lots of different cultures here, even the Appalachian Americans contribute a little.

The problem lies a lot in jealousy and alienation. I mean when NoVans say that the rest of VA is redneck they forget that Richmond and Chesapeake Bay and Charlottesville (edit: thanks, Henry) regions have long been the only bastions of urbanism and liberalism in the state, long before ANY semblance of Northern Virginia. Yes it is unfair that your region's money is used mostly to fund other parts of VA, but this is true on the national level, that's just how it works, the wealthy areas try to develop the poorer areas...for the good of the whole. I don't think this level of disparity is fair, but I also don't think that it will always stay like that. Likewise it is also stupid for rural Virginians to think that Northern Virginia is not a real part of Virginia or it's made of yankees, this is nothing more than narrow mindedness, and a refusal to recognize change.

It's wasn't just Northern Virginia that booted out George Allen, it was a statewide election, and Virginia will be more fair to Northern Virginia, just give it time I am sure it will happen. I mean Northern Virginia is now impossible to ignore, so it would be foolish for any state politician to do so. But in that same vein, all this talk about how Northern Virginia is not Virginia is bull crap too, I mean if you keep saying you live in DC and then treat the rest of the state like crap even the parts that you aren't so different from then there is going to be resentment, you take someone from Richmond and someone from Fairfax and if you can point out some huge differences then I'll eat my words. But at JMU I see lots of people from NoVa and Richmond and the only big difference I see is that it's only the NoVans claim they live outside of Virginia.

To me the problem is obviously formed from both sides. NoVa has to accept it's Virginian identity and the rest of Virginia has to treat Northern Virginia like a member of the Commonwealth.

Separatism won't help anyone in the long run, especially because it won't ever happen and talking about it will only lead to a deeper schism.

[Henry]

The problem lies a lot in jealousy and alienation. I mean when NoVans say that the rest of VA is redneck they forget that Richmond and Chesapeake Bay regions have long been the only bastions of liberalism in the state, long before ANY semblance of Northern Virginia. Yes it is unfair that your region's money is used mostly to fund other parts of VA, but this is true on the national level, that's just how it works, the wealthy areas try to develop the poorer areas...for the good of the whole. I don't think it's fair, but I also don't think that it will always stay like that. Likewise it is also stupid for rural Virginians to think that Northern Virginia is not a real part of Virginia or it's made of yankees, this is nothing more than narrow mindedness, and a refusal to recognize change.

Let's not forget that Charlottesville is also a very liberal area. Maybe that's not 'real Virginia' either.

I agree with you Liberty. NoVa is different than some other parts of VA, but it's also very different than the northeast. Even Maryland right across the river. In comparison to those areas it IS very southern.

[Baculus]

The problem lies a lot in jealousy and alienation. I mean when NoVans say that the rest of VA is redneck they forget that Richmond and Chesapeake Bay and Charlottesville (edit: thanks, Henry) regions have long been the only bastions of urbanism and liberalism in the state, long before ANY semblance of Northern Virginia. Yes it is unfair that your region's money is used mostly to fund other parts of VA, but this is true on the national level, that's just how it works, the wealthy areas try to develop the poorer areas...for the good of the whole. I don't think this level of disparity is fair, but I also don't think that it will always stay like that. Likewise it is also stupid for rural Virginians to think that Northern Virginia is not a real part of Virginia or it's made of yankees, this is nothing more than narrow mindedness, and a refusal to recognize change.

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I think what you mentioned is part of the irony behind the language of the Right: "Blue" areas of the country often pay more taxes (and receive less federal dollars per capita), while "Red" areas are some of the highest recipients of federal money (while contributing a lower amount to federal revenues). Case in point, Alaska receiving more federal dollars, per capita, then any other state in the Union, even though Palin and her supporters would try to act like it is the other way around.

[GibbsFactor]

Who pays 90% of Virginia's bills?

That's right. NOVA.

[PleaseBlitz]

Having been born and raised in NOVA, i hate being associated with the rest of the state. Whenever someone asks be where im from, i never say "Virginia" i always say "Northern Virginia."

[Henry]

Having been born and raised in NOVA, i hate being associated with the rest of the state. Whenever someone asks be where im from, i never say "Virginia" i always say "Northern Virginia."

I remember when I went to college in New York and people asked where I was from, I'd say Virginia. And then I'd always get asked "where's your accent?"

Eventually, rather than explain for the umpteenth time that Northern Virginians don't have a classical Virginia accent I'd say I was from the DC area.

That doesn't mean I didn't think I was from Virginia.

I have relatives that live in Maryland but I'd never want to live there. It has a decidedly different feel to it. A northern feel. The Virginia side is more laid back, and it's cleaner.

My wife is from New York and she insists that Virginia, the entire state mind you, is a mid-atlantic state as opposed to a southern state because the very notion of her living in the south is repulsive to her. We argue about it all the time. :)

But in any event. It's all 'real' Virginia to me. If you've lived here your whole life you can tell the difference between Virginia and the rest of the world.

[BigMike619]

Im really shocked to see it split pretty much down the middle. I think that no matter what though we can agree that it wasnt a far reaching statement to say it.

[PleaseBlitz]

I remember when I went to college in New York and people asked where I was from, I'd say Virginia. And then I'd always get asked "where's your accent?"

Eventually, rather than explain for the umpteenth time that Northern Virginians don't have a classical Virginia accent I'd say I was from the DC area.

That doesn't mean I didn't think I was from Virginia.

I have relatives that live in Maryland but I'd never want to live there. It has a decidedly different feel to it. A northern feel. The Virginia side is more laid back, and it's cleaner.

My wife is from New York and she insists that Virginia, the entire state mind you, is a mid-atlantic state as opposed to a southern state because the very notion of her living in the south is repulsive to her. We argue about it all the time. :)

But in any event. It's all 'real' Virginia to me. If you've lived here your whole life you can tell the difference between Virginia and the rest of the world.


I dont disagree that VA is different from everywhere else, but Northern Virginia and the rest of the state are not the same. At all. Im not saying one is real and one isnt, im just saying they arent the same.

[shk75]

I dont disagree that VA is different from everywhere else, but Northern Virginia and the rest of the state are not the same. At all. Im not saying one is real and one isnt, im just saying they arent the same.

But like I said earlier that goes for EVERY state. St Louis is not the same as a random town in Missouri, Miami is different from Talahasse, Baltimore is different from Southern Maryland...every state has different areas. Virginia is not special. I mean compare NYC to Buffalo...night and day.

[Prosperity]

I dont disagree that VA is different from everywhere else, but Northern Virginia and the rest of the state are not the same. At all. Im not saying one is real and one isnt, im just saying they arent the same.

yeah and Charlottesville and the rest of the state are not the same
Richmond and the rest of the state are not the same
Hampton Roads and the rest of the state are not the same
The Shanandoah valley and the rest of the state are not the same

what's your point?

why not just say you are from Virginia?