Politico: Rep. says 'Liberals hate real Americans'

[Heisenberg]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14797.html

:munchout:

[Midnight Judges]

Rep. Robin Hayes (R-N.C.) has conceded that he did tell a North Carolina crowd that "liberals hate real Americans that work and accomplish and achieve and believe in God," even though he initially denied making such a statement.

Now he says he didn’t mean it that way and he was just trying to rev up a campaign rally.

Hey guys, he only made those comments in the interest of pissing off an angry mob, so you know, that makes it all better lol.

[brandymac27]

Hayes had followed Rep. Patrick McHenry, also a North Carolina Republican, who laid out the choice between McCain and Obama.

"It's like black and white," yelled someone from the crowd.


:doh:

BTW, Hayes is a joke. He's been about as good for NC as Elizabeth Dole.

[Corcaigh]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14797.html

:munchout:

The Daily Show covered another member of Congress and Palin making these same points.

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=188635

I like his point that if big cities such as New York and Washington DC are not "real America", Bin Laden must be pissed that he attacked the wrong place. :D

And here's a video interview with a "real American woman" in case we weren't sure what she thinks ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4wQfQtpDAc

[AsburySkinsFan]

Rep. Robin Hayes (R-N.C.) has conceded that he did tell a North Carolina crowd that "liberals hate real Americans that work and accomplish and achieve and believe in God," even though he initially denied making such a statement.

Par for the course...I wonder if he just cost McCain N.C.

[Cooked Crack]

Maybe I wasn't paying attention in 2004 but it seems the hate is more blatant this year. If you're not Republican then GTFO out of America you commie loving bastard.

[brianm23]

Why does this ****ing idiot have to come from my state? :doh:

[Teller]

If this is supposed to be the counterweight to the idiocy of John Murtha, you've still got a lot of adding to do on our side of the scale.

[brandymac27]

Par for the course...I wonder if he just cost McCain N.C.


To say the race is very tight here is an understatement. This could well be the straw that breaks the camels back.

[rincewind]

They hate bears, also.

[Teller]

Maybe I wasn't paying attention in 2004 but it seems the hate is more blatant this year. If you're not Republican then GTFO out of America you commie loving bastard.

Right. Cause that's exactly what he said.

[Midnight Judges]

Maybe I wasn't paying attention in 2004 but it seems the hate is more blatant this year. If you're not Republican then GTFO out of America you commie loving bastard.

You weren't paying attention then. In 2004, it was either support the Republican agenda in fighting the Iraq war or else you hate the troops.

[Midnight Judges]

Why does this ****ing idiot have to come from my state? :doh:

G'vegas LOL. Go Pirates!

[Cooked Crack]

Right. Cause that's exactly what he said.
It's a combination of things coming out from Professional Republicans. I can understand the crazies but not people who have to answer for their words.

[boobiemiles]

What happened to this party? In all honesty the GOP is looking less American everyday.

[Teller]

It's a combination of things coming out from Professional Republicans. I can understand the crazies but not people who have to answer for their words.

I think it's perfectly OK to call people who believe in traditional American values "real Americans." It's a compliment to them, not an insult to you.

Do you have a problem with those on the opposite side of traditional American values (abortion rights activists, proponents of gay marriage, etc) calling the traditionalists closed-minded idiots or hate mongers?

[#98QBKiller]

To say the race is very tight here is an understatement. This could well be the straw that breaks the camels back.

I'm in NC too and literally an Obama ad will run and a McCain ad will follow directly behind it and vice versa.

I'm just ready to get the election over. I'm sick of political ads.

[brandymac27]

I'm in NC too and literally an Obama ad will run and a McCain ad will follow directly behind it and vice versa.

I'm just ready to get the election over. I'm sick of political ads.


I second that. The ads are getting really ridiculous.

[AsburySkinsFan]

I think it's perfectly OK to call people who believe in traditional American values "real Americans." It's a compliment to them, not an insult to you.


Sure its an insult to me, because it says by implication that if I don't agree with their version of "traditional American values" means that I'm not a "real American" and by implication means that I'm obviously some other inferior brand of American. It's completely arrogant, partisan and divisive, and at its worst McCarthyistic.

[Heisenberg]

I think it's perfectly OK to call people who believe in traditional American values "real Americans." It's a compliment to them, not an insult to you.

Do you have a problem with those on the opposite side of traditional American values (abortion rights activists, proponents of gay marriage, etc) calling the traditionalists closed-minded idiots or hate mongers?


Not sure how you quantify "traditional" American values.

Most Americans share a set of common values - regardless of where they sit on the political spectrum.

Also, how do we define "traditional" and where do we draw the line? There are plenty of "traditional" values that have disappeared over time.

[shk75]

I think it's perfectly OK to call people who believe in traditional American values "real Americans." It's a compliment to them, not an insult to you.

Do you have a problem with those on the opposite side of traditional American values (abortion rights activists, proponents of gay marriage, etc) calling the traditionalists closed-minded idiots or hate mongers?

Wow that right there is just sad. I have seen too much of that in my country and I really get sad when I see someone echo those sentiments in what I consider the best country in the world.

p.s. so I assume you would not get angry if we said you were not a "real" Redskins fan...just a poser.

[Teller]

Not sure how you quantify "traditional" American values.

Most Americans share a set of common values - regardless of where they sit on the political spectrum.

Also, how do we define "traditional" and where do we draw the line? There are plenty of "traditional" values that have disappeared over time.

I find it interesting that you're always so quick to jump on my "oversensitivity," but you let it go when it's on the other side.

[JMS]

Hey guys, he only made those comments in the interest of pissing off an angry mob, so you know, that makes it all better lol.

Remember in the debate when Palin wrote off the entire east coast of the United States as elitests....

My mouth almost hit the floor.

It's like saying only real americans are the folks who kill their own food every morning....

It's just like Bush's playbook with Kerry. It's insulting.

[Midnight Judges]

I think it's perfectly OK to call people who believe in traditional American values "real Americans." It's a compliment to them, not an insult to you.

Do you have a problem with those on the opposite side of traditional American values (abortion rights activists, proponents of gay marriage, etc) calling the traditionalists closed-minded idiots or hate mongers?

Everyone in this thread not named honorary_hog is intellligent.

I don't really mean that but you get the point.

And I do have a problem with name calling unless it's true.

[Hooper]

I just don't get this tactic. I mean, the people that go for this nonsense were never going to vote for Obama anyway. All it does is turn off the moderates and really hurt the GOP in the long run.

[GibbsFactor]

http://www.searchmatters.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/greatest-american-hero.jpg

Who could it be...

[Heisenberg]

I find it interesting that you're always so quick to jump on my "oversensitivity," but you let it go when it's on the other side.


Don't even know what you're referring to, in the past few days I've both defended Republicans and disassociated myself with Dems/Liberals or whatever you want to call them that were saying things I didn't agree with.

But if you want to accuse me of that, pot meet kettle.

When's the last time you jumped in a thread about a legit racial issue and defended anything other than what you see to be as an attack that every white person is a racist?

EDIT: If you're referring to this thread when speaking of "oversensitivity" - then yes, I don't find it to be productive to start calling any group "real" Americans. I can guarantee you that I'd type the exact same thing if it was said about conservatives/Republicans/whatever.

If you have, that's fine but I definitely have never seen it and anytime I try to debate it, you seem to get pretty upset - hence my use of the word sensitive.

[MurrayH81]

and for another nice bit, I quote the fundraising letter I recieved from Sarah Palin yesterday-

"But the Obama-Biden Democrats and their allies are set to raise over $1 billion to reletentlessly flood America's airwaves with their negative and false attacks against our Republican candidates."

This one if fun as well-

"We Republicans reject the Democrats' fearful and pessimistic mentality. When we are able to get our message past the liberal mainstream media filter - directly to the voters - the vast majority of the American people agree with our confident, optimistic view of principled, conservate government and opportunity for all."

Sadly, Extremeskins is now part of the liberal mainstream media filter. We clearly are standing in their way of delivering the message of confident, principled conservative government.

bad us :( I'm going to go spank myself now, because Sarah isn't coming to Oregon to do it (I guess that means we aren't real America either).

[Teller]

p.s. so I assume you would not get angry if we said you were not a "real" Redskins fan...just a poser.

Not in the slightest. I'm MORE than secure enough in my fandom to know that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Hmm...Maybe you've inadvertently found the problem. ;)

[Teller]

If you have, that's fine but I definitely have never seen it and anytime I try to debate it, you seem to get pretty upset - hence my use of the word sensitive.

This week, in the thread about the African-American falsely imprisoned for 16 years.

And I'm sorry if I get offended for being called a racist without cause. Call it a personality flaw.

[shk75]

Not in the slightest. I'm MORE than secure enough in my fandom to know that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Hmm...Maybe you've inadvertently found the problem. ;)

Wow you just don't get it. I just...I can't anymore some people are so obtuse it is sickening.

[Predicto]

I think it's perfectly OK to call people who believe in traditional American values "real Americans." It's a compliment to them, not an insult to you.



Is that what happened here?

I think he actually said: "liberals hate real Americans that work and accomplish and achieve and believe in God"

Cause we liberals don't work or accomplish or achieve or nuthin.

But I guess I'm just oversensitive. He must have MEANT to compliment his audience, and he just ACCIDENTALLY insulted people like me. :whoknows:

[Teller]

Everyone in this thread not named honorary_hog is intellligent.

I don't really mean that but you get the point.

And I do have a problem with name calling unless it's true.

You're probably right, kidding or not. :)

But still, every campaign in the history of this country has said good things about "their" people that could be taken as an insult by the other side. If you want that eliminated, that's fine, truly, but eliminate it all.

No more "progressives." I think my way of thinking is more geared toward progress, and it offends me that the term "progressive" insinuates otherwise.

:cheers:

[GibbsFactor]

Is that what happened here?

I think he actually said: "liberals hate real Americans that work and accomplish and achieve and believe in God"

Cause we liberals don't work or accomplish or achieve or nuthin.

But I guess I'm just oversensitive. He must have MEANT to compliment his audience, and he just ACCIDENTALLY insulted people like me. :whoknows:

Well yeah, you all want welfare.

Gimmie gimmie gimmie.





:silly:

[Teller]

Wow you just don't get it. I just...I can't anymore some people are so obtuse it is sickening.

I disgust you because I disagree with you?

How "real American."

:cheers:

[BigMike619]

VA isnt really VA any more
NC isnt really America any more

man, you east coasters are fallin apart over there. you should come to CA where we keeps it REAL!!

and HH, youre a real American to me...just like GI Joe..

and how am I raging at liberals when I havent even posted yet? damn...

[shk75]

I disgust you because I disagree with you?

How "real American."

:cheers:
No that is not why. You disgust me because what you are spewing leads to divisive politics and can lead to a system in which freedom of speech is curtailed. If you establish who is real and who is not then you can discriminate against those who are fake and refuse to treat them as equals. This goes against all the morals of our democracy as every man is to be treated equally. It is not the fact that you have this opinion or that you voice it that disgusts me. It is the fact that you truly believe it and who knows what someone like you would do if they were ever in power.

*disclaimer* this is a very touchy subject for me because I have seen this exact ideology ruin my country (Cuba) and lead to the killing and imprisonment of thousands of innocent people.

[Heisenberg]

VA isnt really VA any more
NC isnt really America any more

man, you east coasters are fallin apart over there. you should come to CA where we keeps it REAL!!

and HH, youre a real American to me...just like GI Joe..

and how am I raging at liberals when I havent even posted yet? damn...


LOL I noticed that too.

I guess it was just made in prepartion for the inevitable. :silly:

[Burgold]

This is a thin skinned reaction honestly. Sure, urbanites have a right to be offended, but honestly it's harmless pandering to the crowd and boilerplate rhetoric. It's standard silliness. Now, if this was said in the middle of Times Square and became a major part of the stump speech wherever they went I'd be more concerned.

But while I could be offended by this, I'm not. It's just giving love to the crowd that came. At the heart of it is something rotten... an idea that there are lesser Americans, but I choose to hear it as giving love rather than fomenting hate.

[Cooked Crack]

Also, how do we define "traditional" and where do we draw the line? There are plenty of "traditional" values that have disappeared over time.
I mean superiority over minorities used to be a traditional value. If you disapprove of slavery, you're not a Real American.

[Predicto]

VA isnt really VA any more
NC isnt really America any more

man, you east coasters are fallin apart over there. you should come to CA where we keeps it REAL!!

and HH, youre a real American to me...just like GI Joe..

and how am I raging at liberals when I havent even posted yet? damn...

We knew you were coming so we warmed up your seat. :silly:















It wasn't me - I swear....

[BigMike619]

LOL I noticed that too.

I guess it was just made in prepartion for the inevitable. :silly:

CA is going to break away from the union and take AK with us!!

whatcha gonna do AMURRICA!!

[Heisenberg]

I mean superiority over minorities used to be a traditional value. If you disapprove of slavery, you're not a Real American.


LOL that's not gonna play well.

EDIT: The LOL was not meant to be insensitive but just in preparation for the inevitable cluster**** that is about to occur.

[Teller]

and HH, youre a real American to me...just like GI Joe..

and how am I raging at liberals when I havent even posted yet? damn...

It's GI Hog against the liberal enemy!
Fighting to save the day!
GI HOG!!!!
A real American hero! GI Hog is there!!!

[Teller]

This is a thin skinned reaction honestly. Sure, urbanites have a right to be offended, but honestly it's harmless pandering to the crowd and boilerplate rhetoric. It's standard silliness. Now, if this was said in the middle of Times Square and became a major part of the stump speech wherever they went I'd be more concerned.

But while I could be offended by this, I'm not. It's just giving love to the crowd that came. At the heart of it is something rotten... an idea that there are lesser Americans, but I choose to hear it as giving love rather than fomenting hate.

You're entirely too reasoned to even qualify as a liberal.

:cheers:

[StillUnknown]

VA isnt really VA any more
NC isnt really America any more

man, you east coasters are fallin apart over there. you should come to CA where we keeps it REAL!!

and HH, youre a real American to me...just like GI Joe..

and how am I raging at liberals when I havent even posted yet? damn...

i think i can get you a movie deal, your Rage is clearly marketable :D

[Heisenberg]

This is a thin skinned reaction honestly. Sure, urbanites have a right to be offended, but honestly it's harmless pandering to the crowd and boilerplate rhetoric. It's standard silliness. Now, if this was said in the middle of Times Square and became a major part of the stump speech wherever they went I'd be more concerned.

But while I could be offended by this, I'm not. It's just giving love to the crowd that came. At the heart of it is something rotten... an idea that there are lesser Americans, but I choose to hear it as giving love rather than fomenting hate.


I wasn't offended by the comments, I actually found them pretty humorous.

The trying to put a label on what is a "real American" is and what values those "real" Americans hold is kind of divisive though.


:2cents:

[BigMike619]

I wasn't offended by the comments, I actually found them pretty humorous.

The trying to put a label on what is a "real American" is and what values those "real" Americans hold is kind of divisive though.


:2cents:

I know people who have been in this country less then one generation who act more American then those whos family may have come over on the Nina, Pinta or Santa Maria. Being an American is a way of life and a state of mind. Its about what you do for your countrymen and how you treat your land. I am extremely proud to be American and I will defend her until I die.

And SU..hahahahahah :finger:

[Burgold]

You're entirely too reasoned to even qualify as a liberal.

:cheers:


Why must you disrespect the obvious intellectual superiority of your liberal betters, HH? Why?

[daviddsims]

Guys I really think it is mostly the religious crowd who is spewing this stuff out. I was at work last night and a guy that is a big southern baptist started spewing this stuff out, " Obama will take our guns" We are fighting in Iraq to keep the terrorist out of America," and last but not least my favorite, " I am praying for you to not vote for Obama and everyone who is considering voting for him to change there heart." He said that they discuss this stuff in church and I believe him. I couldnt even respond because it was so far out there and nothing I said would change his view.

[BigMike619]

Guys I really think it is mostly the religious crowd who is spewing this stuff out. I was at work last night and a guy that is a big southern baptist started spewing this stuff out, " Obama will take our guns" We are fighting in Iraq to keep the terrorist out of America," and last but not least my favorite, " I am praying for you to not vote for Obama and everyone who is considering voting for him to change there heart." He said that they discuss this stuff in church and I believe him. I couldnt even respond because it was so far out there and nothing I said would change his view.

now why did you have to go and do this here?

there are PLENTY of religious people who would debate how you are full of it and have gone crazy for even posting this.

dont lump any extremists in with religion. its not fair and its not true

[daviddsims]

Well I know not all religious people are that way but I really dont think you know how much this is going around in churches right now. He is not the only person that I have heard say that. It is running rampant in Southern Baptist churches right now and I would say 75 percent of its members feel that way but some wont voice it.

[SnyderShrugged]

neo-cons AND Liberals hate real Americans

[MurrayH81]

Maybe I wasn't paying attention in 2004 but it seems the hate is more blatant this year. If you're not Republican then GTFO out of America you commie loving bastard.

Both sides clearly see politics as warfare.

Divide and Conquer. Fragment and rule absolutely.

It seems the main difference between the campaigns now. One side is item X, the other for its opposite. The desperation, anger, frustration, and stridence of the tone comes from the side with the most to lose. The politicians know its a game. Unfortunately, some of their followers do not, perhaps because of the absolutest tactics being used.

Something has changed. I don't recall so much discussion in a political campaign about 'real' this or 'un' that since McCarthy retired. I never heard dialog like that from Reagan when he campaigned. Aren't we all Americans, whatever our beliefs?

Divided we fall.

[BigMike619]

Well I know not all religious people are that way but I really dont think you know how much this is going around in churches right now. He is not the only person that I have heard say that. It is running rampant in Southern Baptist churches right now and I would say 75 percent of its members feel that way but some wont voice it.

i dont know how much its going around in churches? man thats a broad and ignorant statement to make. i go to a southern baptist church and not only have I not heard my pastor say it, but I havent heard a single person in my congregation say it.

[Redskins Diehard]

Makes sense because real American hate liberals

[Hooper]

Well I know not all religious people are that way but I really dont think you know how much this is going around in churches right now. He is not the only person that I have heard say that. It is running rampant in Southern Baptist churches right now and I would say 75 percent of its members feel that way but some wont voice it.

It's always fun to tell religious folk that Jesus was a liberal. I do this with my relatives a lot -- many of them are evangelical -- and they usually respond with some very un-Christian comments and then we change the subject and talk about stuff that really matters. You know, like the Skins.

[81artmonk]

not touching that one with a ten foot pole.

:rolleyes: