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aREDSKIN
October-21st-2008, 07:06 PM
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - In this live-and-let-live town, where medical marijuana clubs do business next to grocery stores and an annual fair celebrates sadomasochism, prostitutes could soon walk the streets without fear of arrest.

San Francisco would become the first major U.S. city to decriminalize prostitution if voters next month approve Proposition K—a measure that forbids local authorities from investigating, arresting or prosecuting anyone for selling sex.

The ballot question technically would not legalize prostitution since state law still prohibits it, but the measure would eliminate the power of local law enforcement officials to go after prostitutes.

Proponents say the measure will free up $11 million the police spend each year arresting prostitutes and allow them to form collectives.

"It will allow workers to organize for our rights and for our safety," said Patricia West, 22, who said she has been selling sex for about a year by placing ads on the Internet. She moved to San Francisco in May from Texas to work on Proposition K.

Even in tolerant San Francisco—where the sadomasochism fair draws thousands of tourists and a pornographic video company is housed in a former armory—the measure faces an uphill battle, with much of the political establishment opposing it.

Some form of prostitution is already legal in two states. Brothels are allowed in rural counties in Nevada. And Rhode Island permits the sale of sex behind closed doors between consulting adults, but it prohibits street prostitution and brothels.

In 2004, almost two-thirds of voters in nearby Berkeley rejected decriminalization. But proponents of Proposition K say their proposal has a better shot in San Francisco, which they believe is more sexually liberal than the city across the bay.

After all, the world's oldest profession has long been established here. During the Gold Rush, the neighborhood closest to the piers was a seedy pleasure center of sex, gambling and drinking known as the Barbary Coast.

These days, on certain corners, prostitutes sell their bodies day and night, ducking into doorways and alleys when police pass by. One recent afternoon in the Mission District, six prostitutes were plying their trade on a single block.

Police made 1,583 prostitution arrests in 2007 and expect to make a similar number this year. But the district attorney's office says most defendants are fined, placed in diversion programs or both. Fewer than 5 percent get prosecuted for solicitation, which is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail.

Proposition K has been endorsed by the local Democratic Party. But the mayor, district attorney, police department and much of the business community oppose the idea, contending it would increase street prostitution, allow pimps the run of neighborhoods and hamper the fight against sex trafficking, which would remain illegal because it involves forcing people into the sex trade.

The San Francisco Chronicle editorialized against the measure, saying it could make the city a magnet for prostitution.

If the proposal passes, "we wouldn't be able to investigate prostitution, and it's going to be pretty difficult for us to locate these folks who are victims of trafficking otherwise," said Capt. Al Pardini, head of the police department's vice unit. "It's pretty rare that we get a call that says: 'I'm a victim of human trafficking' or 'I suspect human trafficking in my neighborhood.'"

The proposition would also prohibit police from accepting federal or state funds for sex trafficking investigations that involve racial profiling. Such investigations often arise from raids on brothels that advertise as Asian massage parlors.

"We feel that repressive policies don't help trafficking victims, and that human rights-based approaches, including decriminalization, are actually more effective," said Carol Leigh, co-founder of the Bay Area Sex Workers Advocacy Network and a longtime advocate for prostitutes' rights.

But San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris said the ballot question mistakenly assumes prostitution is a victimless crime.

"The crime of prostitution does not exist by itself," Harris said. "Along with it come pimps, johns and other crimes that really impact the safety of neighborhoods."

If the measure passes, supporters say, prostitutes would not feel the need for pimps as protection. But opponents insist it would embolden pimps who trap drug addicts into prostitution by plying them with drugs.

"The proponents usually paint a fairly rosy picture of two consenting adults and a monetary exchange at the end," Pardini said. "They don't factor in the people that are being exploited and people that are being controlled, the ones manipulated both physically and chemically."


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93V4U0O0&show_article=1

81artmonk
October-21st-2008, 07:08 PM
However liberal SF is with it's lawmaking, this is probably the smartest thing they will ever do.

Prostitution is one of the dumbest crimes we enforce in this country by far

No_Pressure
October-21st-2008, 07:15 PM
"The proponents usually paint a fairly rosy picture of two consenting adults and a monetary exchange at the end," Pardini said. "They don't factor in the people that are being exploited and people that are being controlled, the ones manipulated both physically and chemically."The opponents don't usually mention that just as with drug dealers, the exploitation, physical control, and "chemical" control is a side effect of making prostitution illegal.

If prostitution was legal, you could actually have legitimate businesses and services established (such as that ranch on that HBO or Showtime show) that will cut down on the crime surrounding it. Nothing will kill the crime completely- shady and criminal practices exist in any line of work in the world, it just would not be nearly the same as it is now, and though I am against government regulations, it would be a field that could be regulated with some success...hell the government spends a lot of their time fooling around with prostitutes as it is, they should be very familiar with the field :)

MonkFan8
October-21st-2008, 07:15 PM
Prostitution is one of the dumbest crimes we enforce in this country by farAgreed 100%.

I'm confused at what the police chief said. How would legalizing it make stopping trafficking more difficult?

ps. post a link to the whole article aREDSKIN ;)

Toe Jam
October-21st-2008, 07:25 PM
Sign me up because I am ****ing pissed at my girlfriend right now.

Koolblue13
October-21st-2008, 07:25 PM
WooHoo!

If I'm such a Republican, why do I seem to agree with San Fran so much.

ACW
October-21st-2008, 07:26 PM
Good for SF.
81 I'm surprised you agree with the city...kudos to you.

Koolblue13
October-21st-2008, 07:27 PM
Sign me up because I am ****ing pissed at my girlfriend right now.

Why get a hooker, when you can smack your girl around for free?:paranoid:

SkinsD
October-21st-2008, 07:36 PM
I'm going to leave a lot more than my heart in San Francisco!

Mickalino
October-21st-2008, 07:36 PM
So, now all the Gay Men in San Francisco can get gay-married, and when that fails, they can go buy a male hooker :D

BigMike619
October-21st-2008, 07:38 PM
well it looks like predicto wont ever be out of a job if this law passes..

Larry
October-21st-2008, 07:49 PM
Selling is legal.
Screwing is legal.
How come selling screwing is illegal?

- George Carlin

Teller
October-21st-2008, 08:13 PM
Good. This will prevent me from becoming emotionally involved again, with someone I only have one use for in the first place.

(I'd use a smiley, but that would imply I'm kidding.)

BigMike619
October-21st-2008, 08:14 PM
not very tree hugging of you and your new ways HH.

Teller
October-21st-2008, 08:15 PM
not very tree hugging of you and your new ways HH.

What?

**** and let ****. It's perfectly rincewindish. :silly:

BigMike619
October-21st-2008, 08:16 PM
What?

**** and let ****. It's perfectly rincewindish. :silly:
that doesnt line up very well with your kinder and gentler ways there my little buddy. :silly:

Mickalino
October-21st-2008, 08:17 PM
there my little buddy. :silly:

dear God, it's the Skipper and Gilligan :doh:

BigMike619
October-21st-2008, 08:19 PM
dear God, it's the Skipper and Gilligan :doh:

you wanna be thurston?

Teller
October-21st-2008, 08:19 PM
that doesnt line up very well with your kinder and gentler ways there my little buddy. :silly:

Who said anything about "kinder gentler?" I'm just going more liberal. Now, pass the doobie and help me take off this hat. :paranoid:

81artmonk
October-21st-2008, 08:20 PM
Good for SF.
81 I'm surprised you agree with the city...kudos to you.

This one is a no brainer. You take a woman to dinner and than back to your place for sex. legal.

You take and woman out to dinner and than back to your place for dinner and leave her $100 on the table as she leaves. Illegal.

The fact that money is involved which makes it illegal baffles my mind. So what. The two circumstances are identical yet involving money makes it illegal.

Don't get me wrong, it's immoral and I don't agree with it, but wasting tax money trying to stop it is not wise.

As long as they require regular check-ups and have them on a database it's not something law enforcement should be wasting time on.

Mickalino
October-21st-2008, 08:21 PM
you wanna be thurston?

As long as I can share a grass hut with GINGER !

BigMike619
October-21st-2008, 08:21 PM
Who said anything about "kinder gentler?" I'm just going more liberal. Now, pass the doobie and help me take off this hat. :paranoid:

what a shame..what happened to HH..

next thing you know youll be dogging the military and drinking your PBR with your pinky out.

:silly:

(disclaimer for EVERYONE ELSE...im kidding with my friend and he knows I dont believe this)

rincewind
October-21st-2008, 08:23 PM
What?

**** and let ****. It's perfectly rincewindish. :silly:



I like sex.

Mickalino
October-21st-2008, 08:24 PM
As long as I can share a grass hut with GINGER !

or even Maryanne

Teller
October-21st-2008, 08:28 PM
what a shame..what happened to HH..

next thing you know youll be dogging the military and drinking your PBR with your pinky out.

:silly:

(disclaimer for EVERYONE ELSE...im kidding with my friend and he knows I dont believe this)

What's wrong with Stella, you mindless killer? ;)

Nah, some things will never change, Mike. I'll never vote for a bl.....I mean.....uhhh......what again? :paranoid:


I like sex.

****.

If that's your platform, I'm here to stay. :)

BigMike619
October-21st-2008, 08:28 PM
or even Maryanne

you get mrs howe or the monkey...hog and i got them 2 covered

Teller
October-21st-2008, 08:31 PM
you get mrs howe or the monkey...hog and i got them 2 covered

"Tag team, back again! Check it direct and let's begin! Party on party people lemme hear some noise! DC's in da house let's jump for joy! Party over here! Party over there! Party goin' on, shake your derriere! These three words when you gittin' busy...WHOOMP DEH IT IS! Hit me!"

*ahem*

What?

Mickalino
October-21st-2008, 08:32 PM
you get mrs howe or the monkey...hog and i got them 2 covered

You'd have to pay Ginger and Maryanne to sleep with you, and in case you forgot, prostitution ain't legal on desert islands, either

BigMike619
October-21st-2008, 08:33 PM
"Tag team, back again! Check it direct and let's begin! Party on party people lemme hear some noise! DC's in da house let's jump for joy! Party over here! Party over there! Party goin' on, shake your derriere! These three words when you gittin' busy...WHOOMP DEH IT IS! Hit me!"

*ahem*

What?

just when i think you cant go and mess things up any worse..you go and TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff281/Kodythatonegolfkid/Dumb_and_dumber.jpg

Teller
October-21st-2008, 08:36 PM
just when i think you cant go and mess things up any worse..you go and TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff281/Kodythatonegolfkid/Dumb_and_dumber.jpg

Stop.

My favorite rapper of all time is still Charlie Daniels. :cheers:

Mickalino
October-21st-2008, 08:37 PM
Stop.

My favorite rapper of all time is still Charlie Daniels. :cheers:

And my favorite Country Singer is Jack Daniels

:cheers:

Koolblue13
October-21st-2008, 08:52 PM
Who would have thought that a thread about legalizing prostitution would turn into a BM/HH gay thread with Mik pulling some weird voyeur stuff.

Strange.

BigMike619
October-22nd-2008, 09:44 AM
Who would have thought that a thread about legalizing prostitution would turn into a BM/HH gay thread with Mik pulling some weird voyeur stuff.

Strange.

so banging mary ann and ginger makes us gay?

wow KB, you have issues dude. more issues then playboy.

:doh:

GibbsFactor
October-22nd-2008, 09:50 AM
However liberal SF is with it's lawmaking, this is probably the smartest thing they will ever do.

Prostitution is one of the dumbest crimes we enforce in this country by far

Can't have illegal aliens being investigated for prostitution. They'd have to deport them and let them come back in a few months. Much easier to just ignore it all. I mean look what they have to do with drug dealers. Much easier to just let the illegal aliens do what they want and how they want to survive.

TMK9973
October-22nd-2008, 09:55 AM
Forget SF for a second - How many new about RI's law?

That's how the law SHOULD be. No street walkers, but sex for money between two adults, no problem.

"...And Rhode Island permits the sale of sex behind closed doors between consulting adults, but it prohibits street prostitution and brothels"

USS Redskins
October-22nd-2008, 10:08 AM
If you have to pay for it you are a freaking loser. Big time.

That said - what consenting adults do is their own business and if one of them wants to give money to the other for it, so be it.

Mass_SkinsFan
October-22nd-2008, 10:19 AM
Forget SF for a second - How many new about RI's law?

That's how the law SHOULD be. No street walkers, but sex for money between two adults, no problem.

"...And Rhode Island permits the sale of sex behind closed doors between consulting adults, but it prohibits street prostitution and brothels"

Ah, but what they FAILED to point out is that ANY DOMICILE where there are more than three female residents for every bathroom is considered a BROTHEL under Rhode Island Law. That's why there are no Sorority houses at any college or university in "The Biggest Little State in the Union".

Now on the actual topic of the thread.... If San Francisco wants to do this, great. I have no problem with prostitution, and never have.