How long till a black person wins the Republican nomination for President?

[Cooked Crack]

I'm not sure I'll see it in my lifetime. It took Republicans 24 years to get a female VP candidate it's probably going to be double that to get a brotha on the ticket. Maybe they'll ease it in with a black VP. I know Colin Powell could have done it but now he's just too black for them.

[Burgold]

I think the better question is how long til race or gender isn't even part of the equation or consideration. I think Obama tried as hard as he could to walk that tight rope of not making race an issue, but clearly as he's Jackie Robinson it was part of the discussion.

I hope we get to the point where we race gender or religion aren't even issues. We're a loooooong ways away from that though.

[SnyderShrugged]

Probably way before a conservative gets the nomination.

[Rdskns2000]

NEVER. The black Republican will be further wiped out in an Obama presidency. The best chance would be for a Hispanic Republican to win.

[Burgold]

In a way it was nice how Hillary was treated without preference at all, that she did not get much in the way of gender bias.

[TuckahoeSkin]

We are far more open to that than the common perception would lead you to believe. In the mid-90's I was hoping Colin Powell would run. I thought JC Watts had a bright future.

Currently, the party needs to build it's base. I felt a major platform issue at the convention should have been a call for local involvement. Calling for members to get involved in PTA, school boards, city councils and county boards of supervisors. We should have made a point of building a bench starting at the grassroots level. But... the nimrods knew best.

Back to the main point, I'm disappointed that more black folks don't join the party. As far as basic issues are concerned, there are many areas of common interest -- many shared values. But, just like anyone else, it takes a lot of fortitude to ignore the calls of Uncle Tom and things along those lines. Hopefully things will improve.

[PokerPacker]

I'm not sure I'll see it in my lifetime. It took Republicans 24 years to get a female VP candidate it's probably going to be double that to get a brotha on the ticket. Maybe they'll ease it in with a black VP. I know Colin Powell could have done it but now he's just too black for them.

I think it also should be noted that blacks don't tend to be republicans.

[Burgold]

We are far more open to that than the common perception would lead you to believe. In the mid-90's I was hoping Colin Powell would run. I thought JC Watts had a bright future.

Talent-wise there are a number of very intelligent and skillful African Americans who are both Conservative and Republican. I'm not sure if they are embraced by the party, but I do believe that the Republicans by and large are not racist or opposed to promoting people of color. However, images like those at the RNC and the action of fringe loonies have given the Repubs an unfair reputation that is likely to linger.

[WVUforREDSKINS]

NEVER!

The Republican party will no longer exist before that happenes. Much like the death of other political parties in history, things will change and a black has absolutely no shot of winning the Republican nomination.

[TuckahoeSkin]

Talent-wise there are a number of very intelligent and skillful African Americans who are both Conservative and Republican. I'm not sure if they are embraced by the party, but I do believe that the Republicans by and large are not racist or opposed to promoting people of color. However, images like those at the RNC and the action of fringe loonies have given the Repubs an unfair reputation that is likely to linger.


It doesn't help when we are portayed as racists if we espouse views that are simply contrary to those of the left. i.e. welfare reform, photo id requirements for voting

[Burgold]

Well, they have to make a powerful enough counter argument in how to provide opportunities. They haven't yet demonstrated how in philosophy or practice they are for the everyman or for the urban man. That's a tenth of why they're having such hard times right now.

[Dan T.]

One possible candidate mentioned in another thread about this was Michael Steele, who lost to Ben Cardin in a 2006 race for a Maryland Senate seat. He was former lieutenant governor of Maryland under Bob Erlich, is currently chairman of GOPAC, and apparently is a frequent sub for Sean Hannity on Fox's Hannity and Colmes.

I don't know how much national visibility he gets from his work on Fox. He probably needs to win a prominent elected seat to progress as a future candidate.

[TuckahoeSkin]

Well, they have to make a powerful enough counter argument in how to provide opportunities. They haven't yet demonstrated how in philosophy or practice they are for the everyman or for the urban man. That's a tenth of why they're having such hard times right now.


That's true to some extent, but progress and innovation isn't led by the common man. Look at all the tall buildings as you drive to work. While the hands that built them mostly belonged to the common man, those buildings were built because of those with big ideas. Those with big ideas innovate and lead. They create jobs and wealth. While we can't ignore the realities that face the common man, we can't sacrifice our future by stifling the innovators.

[TuckahoeSkin]

One possible candidate mentioned in another thread about this was Michael Steele, who lost to Ben Cardin in a 2006 race for a Maryland Senate seat. He was former lieutenant governor of Maryland under Bob Erlich, is currently chairman of GOPAC, and apparently is a frequent sub for Sean Hannity on Fox's Hannity and Colmes.

I don't know how much national visibility he gets from his work on Fox. He probably needs to win a prominent elected seat to progress as a future candidate.

He's in the wrong state, then.

[DCranon21]

One possible candidate mentioned in another thread about this was Michael Steele, who lost to Ben Cardin in a 2006 race for a Maryland Senate seat. He was former lieutenant governor of Maryland under Bob Erlich, is currently chairman of GOPAC, and apparently is a frequent sub for Sean Hannity on Fox's Hannity and Colmes.

I don't know how much national visibility he gets from his work on Fox. He probably needs to win a prominent elected seat to progress as a future candidate.

Dan, it will not happen. In my opinion, he will have to win the state senate seat in order for that to happen. Cardin won in a landslide back in 2006.

[Burgold]

That's true to some extent, but progress and innovation isn't led by the common man. Look at all the tall buildings as you drive to work. While the hands that built them mostly belonged to the common man, those buildings were built because of those with big ideas. Those with big ideas innovate and lead. They create jobs and wealth. While we can't ignore the realities that face the common man, we can't sacrifice our future by stifling the innovators.

On the other hand, none of those buildings could be made without the common man. Without the bricklayers, construction workers, plumbers, etc. the best laid plans of architechts, engineers, and employers could never be realized. It's a symbiotic relationship and a matter of perspective.

We sometimes look at the Hoover Dam in awe because it is a magnificent piece of engineering, but we rarely pay homage to the close to 1,000 workers who died during its construction.

It's all of the above.

[Cooked Crack]

One possible candidate mentioned in another thread about this was Michael Steele, who lost to Ben Cardin in a 2006 race for a Maryland Senate seat. He was former lieutenant governor of Maryland under Bob Erlich, is currently chairman of GOPAC, and apparently is a frequent sub for Sean Hannity on Fox's Hannity and Colmes.

I don't know how much national visibility he gets from his work on Fox. He probably needs to win a prominent elected seat to progress as a future candidate.
Michael Steele aint doing anything. Can't even win in his own state, no way he's winning a national election.

It doesn't help when we are portayed as racists if we espouse views that are simply contrary to those of the left. i.e. welfare reform, photo id requirements for voting
It also doesn't help when your party has recently had openly racist people in it. (Strom Thurmand, David Duke)

I think photo ID sounds like a good idea till you realize there are alot of people who don't have a state issued identification. Then you realize alot of these people most likely don't vote republican.

[Dan T.]

He's in the wrong state, then.

Probably, but his boss Bob Erlich managed to win the governorship as a conservative Republican native son. How did he pull it off? He probably gained every district outside of Baltimore and Montgomery County.

[Hubbs]

He's not quite black, but a lot of Republicans really like Bobby Jindal.

[TuckahoeSkin]

On the other hand, none of those buildings could be made without the common man. Without the bricklayers, construction workers, plumbers, etc. the best laid plans of architechts, engineers, and employers could never be realized. It's a symbiotic relationship and a matter of perspective.

We sometimes look at the Hoover Dam in awe because it is a magnificent piece of engineering, but we rarely pay homage to the close to 1,000 workers who died during its construction.

It's all of the above.

Nothing happens until the leaders lead. No one is employed unless someone has the vision to start a company. Never kill the golden goose.

[SnyderShrugged]

It also doesn't help when your party has recently had openly racist people in it. (Strom Thurmand, David Duke)

.

ahem,

Robert KKK Byrd

[TuckahoeSkin]

It also doesn't help when your party has recently had openly racist people in it. (Strom Thurmand, David Duke)

I think photo ID sounds like a good idea till you realize there are alot of people who don't have a state issued identification. Then you realize alot of these people most likely don't vote republican.


We've made it clear David Duke is not welcome in the party. You're perpetuating a lie.

Photo ID is a good idea and those who don't have them can get one easily at DMV. Those who fight so hard against it are doing so to keep open the avenues of voter fraud.

[Dan T.]

Nothing happens until the leaders lead. No one is employed unless someone has the vision to start a company. Never kill the golden goose.

This isn't directed so much at you Tuckahoe, but just something I've been thinking about, and your post is a decent launching point.

In the heat of election season, the rhetoric gets overblown. Just as John McCain's proposed economic policies won't screw the working man, neither will Barack Obama's economic policies be so onerous to business. He is smarter than that, as will be the people in his administration.

Everybody can relax, America won't be turned into a socialist state that coddles terrorists under an Obama administration. Really. It won't happen. And John McCain won't angrily lurch for the launch codes the first time he gets pissed off.

Don't buy into the hype.

[Dan T.]

Photo ID is a good idea and those who don't have them can get one easily at DMV. Those who fight so hard against it are doing so to keep open the avenues of voter fraud.

What are the arguments of those against photo ID??

[WVUforREDSKINS]

ahem,

Robert KKK Byrd

Touche. However, Bob did endorse Obama.

When the Klan endorses the black guy you know your in trouble.

[SnyderShrugged]

This isn't directed so much at you Tuckahoe, but just something I've been thinking about, and your post is a decent launching point.

In the heat of election season, the rhetoric gets overblown. Just as John McCain's proposed economic policies won't screw the working man, neither will Barack Obama's economic policies be so onerous to business. He is smarter than that, as will be the people in his administration.

Everybody can relax, America won't be turned into a socialist state that coddles terrorists under an Obama administration. Really. It won't happen. And John McCain won't angrily lurch for the launch codes the first time he gets pissed off.

Don't buy into the hype.



but at least we can take solace in knowing that they both will effectively drive our economy further into crisis once elected.

[Metskins]

They could have had Colin Powell.

People are so ridiculous to say that they won't see a Republican Presidential nominee in their lifetime. Think of how much has changed in the last 20-30 years. It's nowhere near a guarantee.

[SUSkinsFan]

What are the arguments of those against photo ID??Poorer people don't have them is one of the big ones.

I have always argued against requiring it to vote, but I have no problem requiring it to register.

When I voted in the 08 primary I didn't need to show ID. All they did to verify who I was was ask me my name, address and DOB and that worked perfectly

[WVUforREDSKINS]

They could have had Colin Powell.

People are so ridiculous to say that they won't see a Republican Presidential nominee in their lifetime. Think of how much has changed in the last 20-30 years. It's nowhere near a guarantee.

Even if race wasn't a factor the odds aren't that good for a black to get the nominee. How many prominent black politicians are there compared to whites. He still has to show that he is the best and get the nominee.

So from a statistical standpoint it is ridiculous to say that there will be a black nominee anytime soon.

[Cooked Crack]

We've made it clear David Duke is not welcome in the party. You're perpetuating a lie.

Photo ID is a good idea and those who don't have them can get one easily at DMV. Those who fight so hard against it are doing so to keep open the avenues of voter fraud.
He might not be welcomed but he won as a Republican. It's bad PR if a KKK leader is holding office and has a R next to his name.

You have to pay for a photo ID, you have to wait in line, you have transport yourself to the local DMV to get one. It's hard enough registering people but now you put one more obstacle for them to vote.

[TuckahoeSkin]

Poorer people don't have them is one of the big ones.

I have always argued against requiring it to vote, but I have no problem requiring it to register.

When I voted in the 08 primary I didn't need to show ID. All they did to verify who I was was ask me my name, address and DOB and that worked perfectly

With that information, anyone of your friends could have taken your vote.

Georgia tried to institute a photo ID law, but Jesse Jackson was against it. Even when the state offered to go to the houses of those who needed an ID, but couldn't get to the state offices to get one. They also offered to provide them for free, but Jackson didn't like that either. WTF?

[TuckahoeSkin]

He might not be welcomed but he won as a Republican. It's bad PR if a KKK leader is holding office and has a R next to his name.

You have to pay for a photo ID, you have to wait in line, you have transport yourself to the local DMV to get one. It's hard enough registering people but now you put one more obstacle for them to vote.


You need a photo ID to buy a pack of smokes. :doh:

[SUSkinsFan]

With that information, anyone of your friends could have taken your vote.

Georgia tried to institute a photo ID law, but Jesse Jackson was against it. Even when the state offered to go to the houses of those who needed an ID, but couldn't get to the state offices to get one. They also offered to provide them for free, but Jackson didn't like that either. WTF?You'll have to take that up with Jesse Jackson.

And yes, if someone really wanted to, they could steal my vote with that information. But even with photo ID, if someone is dedicated to committing voter fraud, they can do it.

[SnyderShrugged]

what logical reason could anyone have for not requireing photo ID of some sort? Heck, even without a drivers license, one would need a sheriffs ID or something for most everyday purposes,wouldnt they? I just dont get those that are against this very logical requirement.

[Cooked Crack]

You need a photo ID to buy a pack of smokes. :doh:
Everyone smokes now? You have to be 18 to smoke, it's not that hard to buy cigs without ID.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I have never understood the "anti ID while voting" movement either

Makes no sense at all

As far as the original question, why would any black person or minority want to run as a Republican anything in the next 50 years?

The Republicans will be a minority party and may get the White House 2 or 3 times in the next 12 elections

[TuckahoeSkin]

I have never understood the "anti ID while voting" movement either

Makes no sense at all

As far as the original question, why would any black person or minority want to run as a Republican anything in the next 50 years?

The Republicans will be a minority party and may get the White House 2 or 3 times in the next 12 elections


Those who crowed about Goldwater's loss probably felt the same way.

[Metskins]

Even if race wasn't a factor the odds aren't that good for a black to get the nominee. How many prominent black politicians are there compared to whites. He still has to show that he is the best and get the nominee.

So from a statistical standpoint it is ridiculous to say that there will be a black nominee anytime soon.

You could have said the same thing about a female VP before this year.

The more black Americans become affluent, the more they'll vote Republican. Just a simple fact.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Those who crowed about Goldwater's loss probably felt the same way.

Goldwater's loss was far different.

Vietnam ended up belonging to the Democrats

The "southern Dems" started to flock over to the Republicans

Ronald Reagan emerged as a national force in 1964, and the conservative movement saw that its time was coming very soon

This is much more like 1932. You have a charasmatic Dem, who many see as "the one" and who has some incredible political skills

You will have a supermajority of liberals who will be able to jerrymander themselves into power for the next generation

You also have George W Bush. That name will be repeated until we are all dead.

On top of that, you have demographic changes which favor Democrats, similar to the demographic changes in the 70s which started to favor conservatives

[TuckahoeSkin]

Goldwater's loss was far different.

Vietnam ended up belonging to the Democrats

The "southern Dems" started to flock over to the Republicans

Ronald Reagan emerged as a national force in 1964, and the conservative movement saw that its time was coming very soon

This is much more like 1932. You have a charasmatic Dem, who many see as "the one" and who has some incredible political skills

You will have a supermajority of liberals who will be able to jerrymander themselves into power for the next generation

You also have George W Bush. That name will be repeated until we are all dead.

On top of that, you have demographic changes which favor Democrats, similar to the demographic changes in the 70s which started to favor conservatives


Don't be too confident.

You still have a candidate that has never run anything. He has always eyed a higher office before he either proved himself or became exposed. He's in the ultimate job. There's nowhere else to go. Can he produce? If you bill yourself as the messiah, you better start producing miracles. How long before his own party begins to eat him?

[SUSkinsFan]

Don't be too confident.

You still have a candidate that has never run anything. He has always eyed a higher office before he either proved himself or became exposed. He's in the ultimate job. There's nowhere else to go. Can he produce? If you bill yourself as the messiah, you better start producing miracles. How long before his own party begins to eat him?He does not bill himself as the messiah. It was Farrakhan (who is far from a decent human being) who said that he was "the one" and Fox News acts like every Obama supported bows down before him and hopes he will turn water into wine. I do not believe Obama is the second coming of Christ. I believe he is a man who is running for the highest office in the land and wants to make his country better. No more, and no less.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Don't be too confident.

You still have a candidate that has never run anything. He has always eyed a higher office before he either proved himself or became exposed. He's in the ultimate job. There's nowhere else to go. Can he produce? If you bill yourself as the messiah, you better start producing miracles. How long before his own party begins to eat him?

Psst. I am as partisan Republican as you get on this board ;)

[Cooked Crack]

You could have said the same thing about a female VP before this year.

The more black Americans become affluent, the more they'll vote Republican. Just a simple fact.

A VP is chosen not elected. Which female Republicans were in the running for Pres?

[Dan T.]

If you bill yourself as the messiah, you better start producing miracles.

Seriously, do you even believe this tripe as you type it? You may have had a decent point to make somewhere in there, but you stain it with this crap.

[Jumbo]

Psst. I am as partisan Republican as you get on this board ;)


As you wish, but you're certainly one of the most intelligent, objective, even-handed, non-childish, non-reactionary, and reasonable partisans then. I'm not sure you properly understand the partisan stereotype. :D

BTW, didn't intend to ruin your rep or put any pressure on you with my assessment. :silly:

[TuckahoeSkin]

Seriously, do you even believe this tripe as you type it? You may have had a decent point to make somewhere in there, but you stain it with this crap.


If you bill yourself as better than all the rest, the best, you better produce. He has not knocked down his supporters who have set an extremely high bar for him. He will be exposed.

Do you believe your tripe?

For all of you who don't like him being called messiah, you should step back and recognize the irony in your crusade to defend him.

[Special K]

I'm not sure I'll see it in my lifetime. It took Republicans 24 years to get a female VP candidate it's probably going to be double that to get a brotha on the ticket. Maybe they'll ease it in with a black VP. I know Colin Powell could have done it but now he's just too black for them.

Are you for real? This is one of the most idiotic OP's I've read in a while here, and THAT's really saying something with the recent threads we've had. Seriously, Colin Powell is just "too black" for us? Give me an effing break. It's crap like this type of mentality that is so highly destructive and holds back progress that is being made in racial relations in this country.

It has been noted in some other threads that there are a few prominent minority candidates in our party who don't quite have the national name recognition yet...but I have no doubt they would have the support of our party once they did become a serious contender.

[Cooked Crack]

Are you for real? This is one of the most idiotic OP's I've read in a while here, and THAT's really saying something with the recent threads we've had. Seriously, Colin Powell is just "too black" for us? Give me an effing break. It's crap like this type of mentality that is so highly destructive and holds back progress that is being made in racial relations in this country..
To get a grasp on the GOP's perception of Powell's blackness, we put together a little chart from the perspective of the die-hard right, indicating just how black Powell has been perceived by his party, on a scale from Scarlett Johannsen to Lil Wayne:

http://assets.236.com/images/photo2/6603/original/original.jpg

[Special K]

To get a grasp on the GOP's perception of Powell's blackness, we put together a little chart from the perspective of the die-hard right, indicating just how black Powell has been perceived by his party, on a scale from Scarlett Johannsen to Lil Wayne:

Yeah, that looks like a very scientific graph...did the guys in It's Always Sunny in Philly make that for you?

[Ellis]

Micheal Steele 2012

[Nafniksder]

Yeah, that looks like a very scientific graph...did the guys in It's Always Sunny in Philly make that for you?



You got to admit though, that graph is funny as hell. I don't think Cooked Crack is being serious, I think he is just showing how some people really think which is sad. I happen like Colin Powell, I don't consider myself a Republican but what was discouraging is when certain people the media implied Powell endorsed Obama simply because he was black.

[Nafniksder]

what logical reason could anyone have for not requireing photo ID of some sort? Heck, even without a drivers license, one would need a sheriffs ID or something for most everyday purposes,wouldnt they? I just dont get those that are against this very logical requirement.

I don't think it's as logical as you may think, why would a homeless person need an ID? And if they were getting an ID what would they put down as their address, I live in the cardboard box under the bridge. I don't think that would constitute as a good addresss to use being that homeless people move around a lot. I'm all for IDs as long as no one is left out in the process, I think that is main argument most people have as it relates to IDs.

[HighOnHendrix]

Michael Steele aint doing anything. Can't even win in his own state, no way he's winning a national election.

It also doesn't help when your party has recently had openly racist people in it. (Strom Thurmand, David Duke)

I think photo ID sounds like a good idea till you realize there are alot of people who don't have a state issued identification. Then you realize alot of these people most likely don't vote republican.

Steele can't win because MD is a dem state. It's a wonder they ever elected Erhlich; I've heard that was only because Glendenning was a-hole-rific. I still lived in Ohio back then, so dunno personally.

Thurmond was tolerated because he'd been around forever (the same reason Ted Kennedy keeps getting re-elected, name recognition) and Duke was shunned by everyone in the party.

Who doesn't have a state-issued photo ID nowadays???? Even if you don't drive, you have to have one to do much of anything, like cash your paycheck or open a bank account.

[HighOnHendrix]

The more black Americans become affluent, the more they'll vote Republican. Just a simple fact.

I used to think the same thing. But I've realized at some point that the Democratic party has somehow managed to convince nearly all people of color that they are the only party that will do anything for them or spare them any thought at all. Perception is more important than reality in politics, and the perception is that Republicans are evil racists. The reality, at least as I see it, is that the Dems only give lip service to minorities, then go about their normal business. They try to bill themselves as for the working man or the black man, but most of their important figures in the party are rich white and come from privilege. I know your logic is probably that as more blacks become rich, they will want to keep more of their money by wanting lower taxes. This makes sense; but this is politics - they don't go hand in hand. I think they will continue to vote dem and pay the high taxes and hope the money goes to a good cause. I think we all know Congress's record in that regard.

[HighOnHendrix]

I don't think it's as logical as you may think, why would a homeless person need an ID?

Booze. :jk:

[scruffylookin]

For all of you who don't like him being called messiah, you should step back and recognize the irony in your crusade to defend him.

Spare me.

A Party that genuflects and performs the sign of the cross at the mere mention of Ronald Reagan has no room to talk about messiah worship in politics.

As for the subject of the thread, I always thought that the first major party black nominee/president was going to be a Republican. Just think back to about 10 or so years ago, not only was there Powell but wasn't JC Watts on the fast track to big things inside the Party?

Michael Steele also appeared to be on his way to something but then he got beat a few years ago in his bid for the Senate.

[SnyderShrugged]

I don't think it's as logical as you may think, why would a homeless person need an ID? And if they were getting an ID what would they put down as their address, I live in the cardboard box under the bridge. I don't think that would constitute as a good addresss to use being that homeless people move around a lot. I'm all for IDs as long as no one is left out in the process, I think that is main argument most people have as it relates to IDs.



LMAO!!! Oh!! so the case for no ID's to vote is so the homeless arent disenfranchised!!! Gotcha!!! LOL:rolleyes:

[SUSkinsFan]

LMAO!!! Oh!! so the case for no ID's to vote is so the homeless arent disenfranchised!!! Gotcha!!! LOL:rolleyes:Are you saying that the homeless don't have the right to vote?
I kid, I kid

[TuckahoeSkin]

I don't think it's as logical as you may think, why would a homeless person need an ID? And if they were getting an ID what would they put down as their address, I live in the cardboard box under the bridge. I don't think that would constitute as a good addresss to use being that homeless people move around a lot. I'm all for IDs as long as no one is left out in the process, I think that is main argument most people have as it relates to IDs.


Do you drive a car? If you want to, you need a drivers license. Is that too much to ask?

[SnyderShrugged]

Are you saying that the homeless don't have the right to vote?
I kid, I kid




Sure they have the right to vote! AS long as they have ID, establish residency requirements and follow all the other rules that everyone else has to.

But to negate all ID requirements so the homeless can vote is just plain silly

[SnyderShrugged]

Do you drive a car? If you want to, you need a drivers license. Is that too much to ask?


and if not, it's very easy to get a non driver ID.

[Nafniksder]

LMAO!!! Oh!! so the case for no ID's to vote is so the homeless arent disenfranchised!!! Gotcha!!! LOL:rolleyes:



That's right if you believe in America and Democracy, then you would want everyone you can vote have the ability to.

[Nafniksder]

Do you drive a car? If you want to, you need a drivers license. Is that too much to ask?


Yes I happen to drive a car, and I do have a drivers license I have no problem showing my ID when I go vote. However I do not think most people who are homeless have cars being as that most if them don't even have homes. So why would a homeless person need a drivers license?

[Nafniksder]

I used to think the same thing. But I've realized at some point that the Democratic party has somehow managed to convince nearly all people of color that they are the only party that will do anything for them or spare them any thought at all. Perception is more important than reality in politics, and the perception is that Republicans are evil racists. The reality, at least as I see it, is that the Dems only give lip service to minorities, then go about their normal business. They try to bill themselves as for the working man or the black man, but most of their important figures in the party are rich white and come from privilege. I know your logic is probably that as more blacks become rich, they will want to keep more of their money by wanting lower taxes. This makes sense; but this is politics - they don't go hand in hand. I think they will continue to vote dem and pay the high taxes and hope the money goes to a good cause. I think we all know Congress's record in that regard.

I disagree, I don't think the Democratic party has convinced all people of color anything. I just think people of color see more people in the Democratic party with important roles. I also think the Republican party does not do enough to even acknowledge people of color. Why would a black person want to vote for someone who does not even acknowledge them.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Interesting question by the OP.

Personally I highly doubt that it will EVER happen. The majority of african-americans do not hold viewpoints, political or otherwise, that are in line with the majority of Republican philosophical viewpoints. That's why there are so few african-americans in the Republican Party. With that small number of members in the party I believe it would be exceptionally difficult for any of them to rise to the point where they would even be a serious candidate in a Republican presidential nomination process, nevermind being the actual nominee.

Even if there were to be an african-american nominee for POTUS from the Republican Party I find it very difficult to believe that they would stand any reasonable chance in the general election.

[dcnativenerd]

Republicans...you've HAD Alan Keys for God only knows how long. What's the hold up there?!

[SnyderShrugged]

That's right if you believe in America and Democracy, then you would want everyone you can vote have the ability to.


If it were impossible for a homeless person to get a valid ID in any scenario, then I might agree. Unfortunately, for you, even a homeless person can get an ID, it just takes a little effort.

next

[Nafniksder]

Interesting question by the OP.

Personally I highly doubt that it will EVER happen. The majority of african-americans do not hold viewpoints, political or otherwise, that are in line with the majority of Republican philosophical viewpoints. That's why there are so few african-americans in the Republican Party. With that small number of members in the party I believe it would be exceptionally difficult for any of them to rise to the point where they would even be a serious candidate in a Republican presidential nomination process, nevermind being the actual nominee.

Even if there were to be an african-american nominee for POTUS from the Republican Party I find it very difficult to believe that they would stand any reasonable chance in the general election.

I disagree, I am an African-American I happen to have many conservative views or what most people would consider traditionally Republican views. I just don't consider myself a Republican because they fail to acknowledge black people, it's just that simple. I also feel many black people don't consider themselves Republicans for that very reason.

[TuckahoeSkin]

I disagree, I am an African-American I happen to have many conservative views or what most people would consider traditionally Republican views. I just don't consider myself a Republican because they fail to acknowledge black people, it's just that simple. I also feel many black people don't consider themselves Republicans for that very reason.


If by not acknowledging black people you mean "treating them as equals", then I would agree. Otherwise, I would disagree.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I disagree, I am an African-American I happen to have many conservative views or what most people would consider traditionally Republican views. I just don't consider myself a Republican because they fail to acknowledge black people, it's just that simple. I also feel many black people don't consider themselves Republicans for that very reason.

I'm a New Englander by birth and have lived here my entire life. I can probably count the number of Conservative african-americans I've met in the 34+ years of my life on ONE HAND and have fingers left over, Nafniksder.

I don't think that it's so much the idea of the Republican Party not acknowledging african-americans so much as the idea that the Party is not interested in acknowledging people who don't have a similar political viewpoint to theirs. The philosophies of life that most of these people hold to are just not compatible with the Republican way of looking at things. It has little to do with their skin color, and much more to do with their philosophy of life.

At least that's been my experience over time.

[Nafniksder]

If it were impossible for a homeless person to get a valid ID in any scenario, then I might agree. Unfortunately, for you, even a homeless person can get an ID, it just takes a little effort.

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I never said it was impossible for a homeless person to get an ID. Why make it any more difficult for someone to exercise their constitutional right. IDs were not required in the past to vote so why do we need them all of sudden, that's right we dont.

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[GoSkins561]

Michael Steele 2012

[SnyderShrugged]

I never said it was impossible for a homeless person to get an ID. Why make it any more difficult for someone to exercise their constitutional right. IDs were not required in the past to vote so why do we need them all of sudden, that's right we dont.

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It's not making it difficult, when everyone is expected to do the exact same thing. Your point of view is silly. Needing an ID to vote is a very simple and reasonable expectation that anybody can meet.

[Nafniksder]

I'm a New Englander by birth and have lived here my entire life. I can probably count the number of Conservative african-americans I've met in the 34+ years of my life on ONE HAND and have fingers left over, Nafniksder.

I don't think that it's so much the idea of the Republican Party not acknowledging african-americans so much as the idea that the Party is not interested in acknowledging people who don't have a similar political viewpoint to theirs. The philosophies of life that most of these people hold to are just not compatible with the Republican way of looking at things. It has little to do with their skin color, and much more to do with their philosophy of life.

At least that's been my experience over time.

I'm not sure what political viewpoints or philosophies you are talking about, but if you give me some examples I'll give you my perspective.

[WVUforREDSKINS]

Kinda wonder if there might be a push by some Republicans to put up a black candidate in order to try and disprove the idea that they are a racist party.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I'm not sure what political viewpoints or philosophies you are talking about, but if you give me some examples I'll give you my perspective.

Personal Responsibility is one of the big ones. Getting rid of quotas and affirmative action in private industry and education. Getting government out of the social welfare business. That's three of the big ones where I see the african-american community and the Republican Party differing on a daily basis.

[Nafniksder]

It's not making it difficult, when everyone is expected to do the exact same thing. Your point of view is silly. Needing an ID to vote is a very simple and reasonable expectation that anybody can meet.


Just because my point of view is different than yours does not make it silly. Like I said previously I'm all for IDs, tell me a way that we can get homeless people IDs and I'll call my Congressman.

[Nafniksder]

Personal Responsibility is one of the big ones. Getting rid of quotas and affirmative action in private industry and education. Getting government out of the social welfare business. That's three of the big ones where I see the african-american community and the Republican Party differing on a daily basis.


I don't have a problem with the examples that you have given. I think most black people have a great deal of personal responsibility. I don't look for the governement to help me out with anything because honestly I feel the government couldn't care less, both sides of the aisle. However affirmitave action was put in place so that minorites could get an opportunity where they felt that they were not even getting looked at. In the private sector affirmative action has no place in my opinion.

I mean I wouldn't want to work somewhere where I'm not wanted. I think the big misconception with affirmative action is that it is a handout for certain people and other more qualified people are getting passed over.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I don't have a problem with the examples that you have given. I think most black people have a great deal of personal responsibility. I don't look for the governement to help me out with anything because honestly I feel the government couldn't care less, both sides of the aisle. However affirmitave action was put in place so that minorites could get an opportunity where they felt that they were not even getting looked at. In the private sector affirmative action has no place in my opinion.

We could use more people like you in this part of the country. Trust me on that.


I mean I wouldn't want to work somewhere where I'm not wanted. I think the big misconception with affirmative action is that it is a handout for certain people and other more qualified people are getting passed over.

In this part of the country it IS exactly that. It's a way for the government to force companies to hire minority or female candidates for jobs that they're not qualified for to begin with or for companies to hire such people in order to promote themselves as exceptionally friendly to minority and female candidates. I have several experiences over the years along these lines and none of them have turned out well.

[Thiebear]

I think Powell would have made it.

Either way a Black man or White women WILL be elected. It is the beginning of the beginning.

and with a beginning things seem to just escalate from there..
It is no longer a discussion on "When" but how many from now on..

[SnyderShrugged]

Just because my point of view is different than yours does not make it silly. Like I said previously I'm all for IDs, tell me a way that we can get homeless people IDs and I'll call my Congressman.


Many churches and shelters allow homeless folks to use thier address to establish residency. Then they go to the county clerk and get a sheriffs ID or some othern equivilant.

Better jump on the phone asap.

[da#1skinsfan]

Powell would have gotten it years ago.

[adamyesme1111]

I'm not sure I'll see it in my lifetime. It took Republicans 24 years to get a female VP candidate it's probably going to be double that to get a brotha on the ticket. Maybe they'll ease it in with a black VP. I know Colin Powell could have done it but now he's just too black for them.



I would have voted for Colin Powell, but it makes me sick that he is now putting race before his party...that is SICK

Anybody who votes for race alone makes me sick. Black people voting for Obama just because hes black, you guys make me SICK. White people not voting for Obama because hes black, you guys make me SICK.

and the sad thing is, that is going to be the biggest thing in this election. I bet you a bunch of white people are going to vote for Obama (or at least say they are) so they get accepted, and not be thought of as "racist" by the people who are going around vandalizing anyone with a Mccain sign.

This election and the voters in it make me sick, I garuntee you a big 40 percent of people who are going to vote, are going to be voting based on race alone. That is disgusting to me...

[dcnativenerd]

I just don't know why Alan Keys keeps getting passed over for the nomination.

[Cooked Crack]

I would have voted for Colin Powell, but it makes me sick that he is now putting race before his party...that is SICK

Are you serious?

[Rocky21]

I'll take the 5th of Never for $500, Alex.