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alexey
October-27th-2008, 08:07 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/26/voter.suppression/index.html



ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- College senior Kyla Berry was looking forward to voting in her first presidential election, even carrying her voter registration card in her wallet.

But about two weeks ago, Berry got disturbing news from local election
officials.

"This office has received notification from the state of Georgia indicating that you are not a citizen of the United States and therefore, not eligible to vote," a letter from the Fulton County Department of Registration and Elections said.

But Berry is a U.S. citizen, born in Boston, Massachusetts. She has a passport and a birth certificate to prove it.

The letter, which was dated October 2, gave her a week from the time it was dated to prove her citizenship. There was a problem, though -- the letter was postmarked October 9.

"It was the most bizarre thing. I immediately called my mother and asked her to send me my birth certificate, and then I was like, 'It's too late, apparently,' " Berry said.

Berry is one of more than 50,000 registered Georgia voters (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/elections_and_voting) who have been "flagged" because of a computer mismatch in their personal identification information. At least 4,500 of those people are having their citizenship questioned and the burden is on them to prove eligibility to vote.

Experts say lists of people with mismatches are often systematically cut, or "purged," from voter rolls.

It's a scenario that's being repeated all across the country, with cases like Berry's raising fears of potential vote suppression in crucial swing states.
"What most people don't know is that every year, elections officials strike millions of names from the voter rolls using processes that are secret, prone to error and vulnerable to manipulation," said Wendy Weiser, an elections expert with New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.

"That means that lots and lots of eligible voters could get knocked off the voter rolls without any notice and, in many cases, without any opportunity to correct it before Election Day."

Weiser acknowledged that "purging done well and with proper accountability" is necessary to remove people who have died or moved out of state.

"But the problem is it's not necessary to do inaccurate purges that catch up thousands of eligible voters without any notice or any opportunity to fix it before Election Day and really without any public scrutiny at all," she said.

Such allegations have flared up across the United States during this election cycle, most notably in Ohio, where a recent lawsuit has already gone to the U.S. Supreme Court.

There, the state Republican Party sued Ohio's Democratic secretary of state in an effort to make her generate a list of people who had mismatched information. But Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said generating such a list would create numerous problems too close to the election and possibly disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters.
The Supreme Court last week ruled against the GOP on appeal of a lower court order directing Brunner to prepare the list.

In Florida, election officials found that 75 percent of about 20,000 voter registration applications from a three-week period in September were mismatched due to typographical and administrative errors. Florida's Republican secretary of state ordered the computer match system implemented in early September.

In Wisconsin, Republican Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen sued the state's election board after it voted against a proposal to implement a "no-match" policy. The board conducted an audit of its voter rolls and found a 22 percent match failure rate -- including for four of the six members of the board.

The Brennan Center has also documented cases across the country of possible illegal purging, impediments to college student voting and difficulties accessing voter registration.

A lawsuit has been filed over Georgia's mismatch system, and the state is also under fire for requesting Social Security records for verification checks on about 2 million voters -- more requests than any other state.
One of the lawyers involved in the lawsuit says Georgia is violating a federal law that prohibits widespread voter purges within 90 days of the election, arguing that the letters were sent out too close to the election date.

"They are systematically using these lists and matching them and using those matches to send these letters out to voters," said McDonald, director of the ACLU Voting Rights Project in Georgia.

"It's not, you know, an individualized notion of people maybe not being citizens or not being residents. They're using a systematic purging procedure that's expressly prohibited by federal laws."

Asked if he believed that eligible voters were purged in Georgia, McDonald said, "If people who are properly eligible, are getting improperly challenged and purged, the answer would be 'Yes,' " he said.

Elise Shore, regional counsel for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, said letters like those sent to Berry appear to violate two federal laws against voter purging within 90 days of the election.
"People are being targeted, and people are being told they are non-citizens, including both naturalized citizens and U.S.-born citizens," said Shore, another plaintiff in the Georgia lawsuit. "They're being told they're not eligible to vote, based on information in a database that hasn't been checked and approved by the Department of Justice, and that we know has flaws in it."

Georgia's Secretary of State Karen Handel, a Republican who began working on purging voter rolls since she was elected in 2006, said that won't happen. If there are errors, she said, there is still plenty of time to resolve the problems.

Handel says she is not worried the verification process will prevent eligible voters from casting a ballot.

"In this state and all states, there's a process to ensure that a voter who comes in -- even if there's a question about their status -- that they will vote either provisional or challenge ballot, which is a paper ballot," she said.

"So then the voter has ample opportunity to clarify any issues or address them," Handel added. "And I think that's a really important process."
Handel denied the efforts to verify the vote are suppression.

"This is about ensuring the integrity of our elections," she said. "It is imperative to have checks and balances on the front end, during the processes and on the back end. That's what the verification process is about."

So someone like Kyla Berry will be allowed to cast a provisional ballot when she votes, but it's up to county election officials whether those ballots would actually count.



Berry says she will try to vote, but she's not confident it will count.

"I know this happens, but I cannot believe it's happening to me," she said. "If I weren't allowed to vote, I would just feel like that would be ... like the worst thing ever -- a travesty."

skinsfan07
October-27th-2008, 08:12 PM
damn Righties doing everything they can to keep Obama out of office.

;)

twa
October-27th-2008, 08:14 PM
"In this state and all states, there's a process to ensure that a voter who comes in -- even if there's a question about their status -- that they will vote either provisional or challenge ballot, which is a paper ballot," she said.

"So then the voter has ample opportunity to clarify any issues or address them," Handel added. "And I think that's a really important process."
Handel denied the efforts to verify the vote are suppression.

Don't see the problem, and I have been purged and challenged before...not a big deal to me since keeping the list current is important

Larry
October-27th-2008, 08:28 PM
Wondering if it's going to take something like the Voting Rights Act. Something like requiring purges be done six months before an election, and that the people being challenged must be notified.

(Although how do you require purges a year in advance, if you also don't require people to register a year in advance? Me, I don't necessarily have a problem with such a rule (as long as there's allowances for people who move, for example). To me, anybody who doesn't register until 2 months before the election isn't the guy I want making decisions, anyway.)

jpyaks3
October-27th-2008, 08:53 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/195911.jpg

The Virginia Pilot reports today that a phony Virginia Board of Elections flier is being distributed in Hamption Roads, VA telling Democrats that they are now scheduled to vote on November 5. The flier falsely claims that “an emergency session of the General Assembly” adopted a new voting schedule to “ease the load” at polling places on election day:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/27/phony-va-election-flier/

Seriously voter suppression needs to be prosecuted. Especially in cases as blatant as this. And Republicans claim ACORN is undermining the fabric of democracy, **** that, this undermines the fabric of democracy more than fake registration forms turned in as required by law for people who wont vote. Give me a break.

Ford
October-27th-2008, 08:57 PM
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Don't see the problem, and I have been purged and challenged before...not a big deal to me since keeping the list current is important

The issue is proper notification. I haven't been keeping up with the subject, and I don't know if the story of the voter and the postmark is an isolated incident or not, but the purging of voting rolls with intentionally weak systems of notification has been one of the most popular forms of vote dilution used to circumvent the intent of the VRA.

twa
October-27th-2008, 08:58 PM
ols that's funny,and a criminal offense.:cool:

twa
October-27th-2008, 09:02 PM
The issue is proper notification. I haven't been keeping up with the subject, and I don't know if the story of the voter and the postmark is an isolated incident or not, but purging of voting rolls with intentionally weak systems of notification have been one of the most popular forms of vote dilution used to circumvent the intent of the VRA.

It is nothing more than a inconvenience, only the meek or a idiot are kept from voting by this.

It should of course be done in a better fashion,but it is run by the government:silly:

81artmonk
October-27th-2008, 09:03 PM
I've read about this in our local paper and I think it's the same thing happening here.

If someone hasn't voted in the past 4 years than they are considered non-participants and purged from the roll. They must re-register.

the thought is that they are not participating and thus thin out the system and make way for those who do vote.

Burgold
October-27th-2008, 09:04 PM
That's really slimey especially with the delay in mailing.

Larry
October-27th-2008, 09:05 PM
'Course, one way to resolve the problems of information mismatches is to not store duplicate information in multiple databases.

I suspect that there's more than a few IT guys in here who can speak about the principal of never storing the same information in two separate places.

If my Driver's License/State ID card was also my voter registration, then they'd always agree with each other. (Because they'd both be the same card.) When I'd move, I'd only have to do a change of address once. And so forth.

jpyaks3
October-27th-2008, 09:05 PM
I've read about this in our local paper and I think it's the same thing happening here.

If someone hasn't voted in the past 4 years than they are considered non-participants and purged from the roll. They must re-register.

the thought is that they are not participating and thus thin out the system and make way for those who do vote.

It is illegal to purge voter rolls with less then 30 days to go till election, at this point if you are purged you can't re register in most states. Its a way to disenfranchise voters hopefully this will be prevented.

Yusuf06
October-27th-2008, 09:49 PM
I can't believe some of you are actually making excuses for this type of thing. So I suppose it's OK to take advantage of someone who doesn't know any better? Come on. :rolleyes:

I agree people should know better than this but that doesn't make it any less slimey-or illegal for others to take advantage of them. On the other hand, I can't believe I was so naive as to not know the extent of this type of activity before now, so I suppose I'm no smarter than they are.

Furthermore after looking into it (http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=5745608&postcount=19), I've found this to be a pattern of behavior the GOP has taken part in since at least the Reagan years. Of course, many of their voter suppression techniques were borrowed from the Jim Crow south. Not good mentors if you're interested in true democracy and the American way.

This is yet another fundamental problem I'm having with the GOP these days. What does it say of your respect for the Constitution if you're doing things like this to win? At the core of it, it says you don't believe in democracy....or you do, but only when it's convenient for you to do so.

I feel sick to my stomach. :mad:

81artmonk
October-28th-2008, 12:18 AM
[QUOTE=Yusuf06;5747412]I can't believe some of you are actually making excuses for this type of thing. So I suppose it's OK to take advantage of someone who doesn't know any better? Come on. :rolleyes:


Not making excuse. Just stating what I personally read what the registior had said it would do with people who hadn't voted in 4 elections. Of course in my town they stated you would be taken off the rolls if you didn't vote this election.

Hey, just another govt agency that isn't doing their job, and alot of people want more of this?? More govt agencies running things??

CowboysNickster
October-28th-2008, 10:22 PM
Anyone worried about being purged from voter rolls should move to Maryland. I think it would take an act of Congress to get your name removed. I haven't been a MD resident for about a decade, yet mysteriously MD sent me a voter registration card (mailed to my parent's MD address). Odder still is even when I lived in MD, I haven't used my parent's address as my residence since 1993.

I wonder if MD is carpetbombing voter registration cards to anyone and everyone who ever lived there in hopes of sending them to voting booths on election day.

So right now I am a proud holder of two voter registration cards, one for MD and one for VA. I guess if I wanted to commit voter fraud I could make my rounds on election day and vote in both states. Yet, thanks MD but no thanks. I may not hate Obama as much as I used to but I don't like him that much to vote for him twice. One vote from me is enough. Besides, VA needs my Obama vote more than MD.

Seabee1973
October-28th-2008, 10:29 PM
Maybe it will counter act some of the stuffed Ballots the dems always have