Anyone else is enjoying watching the Wiz lose?

[Mr. Grundle]

I gotta say, I'm loving it. Let's face it, we weren't winning anything this year to begin with. At best we could hope to squeak into the playoffs for another 1st round loss. I think THAT would be the most painful thing to watch this team do this season.

I like where we're headed....spiraling downward...and quickly.

I love seeing the young guys like Nick Young and JaVale McGee getting minutes they would not normally be getting if we weren't losing.

I love seeing our veterans being exposed for their weaknesses and bad habits which have been masked or ignored in the past because we were "winning".

I love watching the worst defense I have literally EVER witnessed in all my years.

This is the best thing that could have ever happened to this team. I pray for a season like Miami or Chicago had last year. Look what they got...franchise players in the draft and new coaches.

What a season like that does is force change. I think that's what we all want to see. Not the same mediocre team with the same record and same first-round playoff exit each year. We need a change. I like EJ, but for some reason he can't get his team to play defense. I'm not sure if it's his fault or his players fault, but regardless...it's much easier to try a new coach than all new players.

Also, we need to hit the lottery. It's been proven in recent history that you need a Hall-of-Famer on your team is you want to win a championship. Usually the easiest way to do this is to win the lottery and get him in the draft. Or you can do what Danny Ainge did...and I'm not sure Grunfield would be able to attempt something like that as long as Abe is around.

20-win season. Experience gained for young emerging stars. Old veterans shelved. Top-5 draft pick. New defensive oriented coach. Injured stars finally get healthy.

Mmmmm...I'm salivating at the prospect. I can't wait to watch it hopefully unfold this way. It would make this season so much more enjoyable.

[chipwhich]

Hate to drop the "youth" card.

You do realize that this team has sucked since before you were born.

Then we have a brief glimmer of hope with Arenas around the time you are old enough to really start caring about basketball.

Now you are wishing for the lottery. We have had PLENTY of lottery opportunity. Look what it has gotten us in the last 30 years.

[triple6mafia]

I agree with some of the points. Hopefully this season will bring about a new coach. The only positive thing that can come out of veterans weaknesses being exposed is that they work on it and improve. And a lottery pick would be nice, but it doesn't always guarantee success or a franchise player. It definitely has been annoying just squeaking into the playoffs knowing that we weren't going anywhere. Maybe we'll get the player we need or the right guy will develop.

Side note: blatche has not looked good this year. i know its early, but its not looking like he has progressed from what ive seen

[BayouBrave86]

I agree that I'm loving seeing McGee and Young getting alot of playing time and shining. I hope we get the top pick this year. It would help this team out immensely. And yes, it is good to see some of our "starters" this year exposed.

[Mr. Grundle]

Hate to drop the "youth" card.

You do realize that this team has sucked since before you were born.

Then we have a brief glimmer of hope with Arenas around the time you are old enough to really start caring about basketball.

Now you are wishing for the lottery. We have had PLENTY of lottery opportunity. Look what it has gotten us in the last 30 years.

The Bullets won a championship a few months before I was born, so no, they didn't suck since before I was born....just for the 30 years after.

Yes, I'm wishing for the lottery again, but for a different reason. This team, unlike years past, actually has the potential to do something. This team isn't rebuilding, it just needs something to get them over that hump of mediocrity. This team doesn't have Wes Unseld or Michael Jordan making the decisions.

Imagine if we hit the lottery and landed that low post scoring and defensive presence that we need. Then we implemented a defensive philosophy that actually works. Then Arenas and Haywood come back healthy.

Just for example.....imagine a starting lineup of Arenas, Nick Young, Caron Butler, Blake Griffin, and Brendan Haywood. Antawn Jamison and Javale McGee off the bench. Avery Johnson implementing a defense.

That team team could be a serious contender, and it could all happen by next season.

[skinfan2k]

forcing this franchise to let go of ernie would be the best decision in the immediate future

[abdcskins]

I am really not liking the re-signing of Arenas. He's not worth that much money, he will never be the same player that he once was, and he isn't going to help us. I hope I am wrong, but all that money could've been used elsewhere to help us rebuild.

[RedskinsNation]

im not loving them lose but im just numb to it all.....i dont expect anything from them and didnt even during the offseason. U resign Jamison and Arenas and we have essentially the same team....oh by the way we havent done JACK with them and our wonderful coach.

Until someone tells Eddie to make them man up on D we will continue to suck.

I went thru the first 25 games on the schedule and my predition for the 1st 25 games is:

6-19. Yep, I think we'll go 6-19 to start. I hope im wrong...but WE BLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

[Sticksboi05]

Hate to drop the "youth" card.

You do realize that this team has sucked since before you were born.

Then we have a brief glimmer of hope with Arenas around the time you are old enough to really start caring about basketball.

Now you are wishing for the lottery. We have had PLENTY of lottery opportunity. Look what it has gotten us in the last 30 years.

So what. You play to win a championship. That ain't happening with the current format of players. I agree, I hope we get a lottery pick and spend it on a star forward or guard since we got McGee who looks like he is going to be very good.

First round exits are pointless. Even with Arenas back this team can't go past round 1 without a new coach.

Btw, since he is 30 and 30 years ago was 1978, the Bullets were outstanding when he was born.

I'd love to see Avery Johnson as our HC. EJ has put us past the losing seasons hump but he can't make us go any further. It's time for him to go.

[da#1skinsfan]

simply put.

no.

[chipwhich]

So what. You play to win a championship. That ain't happening with the current format of players. I agree, I hope we get a lottery pick and spend it on a star forward or guard since we got McGee who looks like he is going to be very good.

First round exits are pointless. Even with Arenas back this team can't go past round 1 without a new coach.

Btw, since he is 30 and 30 years ago was 1978, the Bullets were outstanding when he was born.

I'd love to see Avery Johnson as our HC. EJ has put us past the losing seasons hump but he can't make us go any further. It's time for him to go.

Point is, this is/was a poorly run franchise. It's run better now than in the last 30 years. Be careful what you wish for. I have seen better basketball with first round exits in the last 3-5 than I have seen in the previous 25.

You have to establish yourself as a decent franchise before you can get people to want to play here. You dont go from being in the toilet to a championship franchise overnight.

How many top 10-20 players would ever consider coming to this franchise?

We are on a better track now than I have seen in a LONG time. Go ahead throw our GM and our coach out. Thats our problem right?

[NotInOurHouse]

I really think McGee will be even better when Arenas comes back because McGee runs the court really well and Gil likes to push it especially with his outlet passes. So when He returns look for McGee to avg like 15 and 8

[jtyler42]

I don't love it but it is a necessary evil...I kinda liken this to San Antonio from the 90's the yr when David Robinson got hurt they basically tanked the season, and only won 19 games got the first pick in the lottery and Drafted Tim Duncan...The Rest is history...

I don't know who is out there to be drafted but we're kind of in this situation right now...

[da#1skinsfan]

Because we're 0-4 we should tank an 82 game season just to draft "someone" with the #1 pick we may not even get?

Think about how ridiculous some of the things you guys say really are. Unbelievable. ESPECIALLY considering that THIS fanbase...you people...went through this exact same thing last year with an 0-5 start and we made the playoffs.

Face the facts, this team has talent, it gets crushed by injuries every year. This year we have a breakout center who was turning into a critical part of the team out for the year, along with our best player and face of the franchise. We have a young draft pick who has shown great promise, and 2 more from last year doing the same. On top of the guys we already have, 2 of which made the all star game last year. 4 young guys poised to break out with 1 add'l guy a little slower to develop. How many teams can say that?

If we didnt have the young guys we are building Id agree...putting our franchise on the shoulders of a hurt girl, an aging Jamison and just Butler is not wise. Eddie and Ernie have put together a hell of a team that has seen ridiculous adversity, they are a great tandem and hopefully have many more years at the helm of this previously WORTHLESS franchise.

[Mr. Grundle]

Because we're 0-4 we should tank an 82 game season just to draft "someone" with the #1 pick we may not even get?

Think about how ridiculous some of the things you guys say really are. Unbelievable. ESPECIALLY considering that THIS fanbase...you people...went through this exact same thing last year with an 0-5 start and we made the playoffs.

Face the facts, this team has talent, it gets crushed by injuries every year. This year we have a breakout center who was turning into a critical part of the team out for the year, along with our best player and face of the franchise. We have a young draft pick who has shown great promise, and 2 more from last year doing the same. On top of the guys we already have, 2 of which made the all star game last year. 4 young guys poised to break out with 1 add'l guy a little slower to develop. How many teams can say that?

If we didnt have the young guys we are building Id agree...putting our franchise on the shoulders of a hurt girl, an aging Jamison and just Butler is not wise. Eddie and Ernie have put together a hell of a team that has seen ridiculous adversity, they are a great tandem and hopefully have many more years at the helm of this previously WORTHLESS franchise.

Hey, I appreciate what Eddie and Ernie have accomplished in the past 5 years or so. True, they have put the Wizards back on the map. But I am no longer satisfied with just being relevant again.

This team, even when fully healthy, is not a championship team. NBA championship teams for the most part all share certain qualities. For one, all of them play defense. Most of them have a bonafide Hall-of-Famer on the roster as well...usually a big man. The Wizards do not have these qualities.

But, we are close enough that with one major addition, one stroke of luck, one change in philosophy...we can be a championship-quality team.

The poster who mentioned the Spurs above is a great example. Greg Popovich fires the Spurs head coach and names himself the head coach. He has a rotten year due to injuries, but they hit the lottery and land Tim Duncan. Poof...a dynasty is born.

We need something similar to happen. I can't bear to watch us lose to the Cavs for the 4th year in a row and end up with the 16th or 18 pick again.

[da#1skinsfan]

Hey, I appreciate what Eddie and Ernie have accomplished in the past 5 years or so. True, they have put the Wizards back on the map. But I am no longer satisfied with just being relevant again.

This team, even when fully healthy, is not a championship team.

How would we know, as this team has never been "fully healthy"? Isnt 3 all stars, 4 promising young players and a cast of role players a strong enough "risk" to wait and see?

NBA championship teams for the most part all share certain qualities. For one, all of them play defense.

OK this is something the Wizards have been addressing, and honestly, it wasnt THAT bad with Haywood in the lineup last year.

Most of them have a bonafide Hall-of-Famer on the roster as well...usually a big man. The Wizards do not have these qualities.

Like the dominant Detroit Pistons of the last few years?

But, we are close enough that with one major addition, one stroke of luck, one change in philosophy...we can be a championship-quality team.

This is the most overused idea in sports. If we could just get Dwight Howard, if we could just get Dwayne Wade...man we drafted Dwight Howard clone who is playing well. We drafted a scorer like DWade who is playing well. We are doing those things but it doesnt happen overnight. How about getting our 30ppg back from injury? How about getting our 10boards and 2 blocks per night back from injury too?

The poster who mentioned the Spurs above is a great example. Greg Popovich fires the Spurs head coach and names himself the head coach. He has a rotten year due to injuries, but they hit the lottery and land Tim Duncan. Poof...a dynasty is born.

Just like that...poof, huh? I bet Duncan, now in his umpteenth year, would not agree it was "poof" just like that. How about building the team with Robert Horry, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili...all guys who contributed to those years of success...they werent just sprouted overnight.

We need something similar to happen. I can't bear to watch us lose to the Cavs for the 4th year in a row and end up with the 16th or 18 pick again.

So firing Eddie and Ernie and shooting for the #1 pick for a mystery player because we're 0-4 when we went 0-5 and made the playoffs last year with a half heathy team.....thats the answer?

Again, this is just ridiculous.

[BayouBrave86]

1. The injuries never stop. We CAN'T rely on this team to ever stay healthy, that is just it. We need some new talent in here. We can't continue to depend on Jamison and co. to stay healthy year in and year out. It has only happened ONCE, where everyone stayed healthy.

2. We don't have Haywood this year. We are going to SUCK. This is much different than the 0-5 start from last year. I don't see us going on a winning streak. Oh and our defense was a little better last year. Big whoop.

3. The "dominant" Pistons have a dominate big man and his name is Rasheed Wallace. Where do you see a Sheed on our team? Seriously..

4. We are close to being a dominant team. We just need to replace Jamison at PF and let him come off the bench for us and pray Gil and Butler can stay healthy.
Arenas
Young
Butler
(McGee/Number 1 draft pick)
Haywood

with a stacked bench looks good to me.

5. It is the answer to get rid of Eddie Jordan. He has taken this team as far as it can go. Sweet, we improved on defense by a few spots! You know who made that happen? Ayers, not Jordan. Your love of the Wizards is great and all but you need to take off the Wizard glasses and realize this team isn't going anywhere with the current system, coach, and line-up.

[da#1skinsfan]

1. The injuries never stop. We CAN'T rely on this team to ever stay healthy, that is just it. We need some new talent in here. We can't continue to depend on Jamison and co. to stay healthy year in and year out. It has only happened ONCE, where everyone stayed healthy.

New talent...like...a 2nd yr scoring guard who was among leaders in ppg per 48min last yr? Or a talented young center with rare athletic ability surpassing expectations? Or a 2nd yr hustler who plays great defense down low and has shown a knack for getting rebounds? Or a 4th year bigman who controls the ball like a guard, can block shots and drain open jumpers?

Eddie is responding exactly as youre suggesting. "Jamison & Co" not getting it done so play the future more.

2. We don't have Haywood this year. We are going to SUCK. This is much different than the 0-5 start from last year. I don't see us going on a winning streak. Oh and our defense was a little better last year. Big whoop.

Says the man with the crystal ball. The EXACT same posts were going down last year, except they also included hatred towards "Brenda" and comments about Young not living up to expectations through 5 games as a rookie.

3. The "dominant" Pistons have a dominate big man and his name is Rasheed Wallace. Where do you see a Sheed on our team? Seriously..

The comment was made regarding a HALL OF FAMER not a big man. No one on the Pistons has cemented their spot in the hall of fame. A good big man is important yes...we have one, hes out for the year. We have a young one who is playing now in his place and another 4th year guy who is showing improvement and can play the position.

4. We are close to being a dominant team. We just need to replace Jamison at PF and let him come off the bench for us and pray Gil and Butler can stay healthy.
Arenas
Young
Butler
(McGee/Number 1 draft pick)
Haywood

with a stacked bench looks good to me.

That is our team today. Arenas and Haywood are hurt. Jamison averaged 20 AND 10 again last year and would be the sickest 6th man in the game. With Blatche, McGuire, Thomas, Dixon, Daniels...thats a pretty stacked bench.

5. It is the answer to get rid of Eddie Jordan. He has taken this team as far as it can go. Sweet, we improved on defense by a few spots! You know who made that happen? Ayers, not Jordan. Your love of the Wizards is great and all but you need to take off the Wizard glasses and realize this team isn't going anywhere with the current system, coach, and line-up.

What you just did up there...your dream lineup...IS OUR TEAM TODAY. Its what Eddie and Ernie have put together. 6 months ago, Eddie wrote that same lineup down on a napkin and hung it on his bathroom mirror. Guys got hurt, its what happens. We should fire Eddie for "taking this team as far as it can go" even though your "solution" directly equals what Eddie has built?

I dont have Wizards glasses on, you guys have 0-4 glasses on. Extremeskins glasses. "oh my god the sky is falling trade everyone on our team for draft picks and lets rebuild" glasses.

Im not saying there isnt blame to go around, Im saying 99% of everyones justification for Eddie doing a bad job makes ZERO sense. Tell me you think our young guys stink. Tell me you think Butler and AJ both belong on the bench. Tell me Arenas will never come back. Tell me Haywood sucks. Give me something...but dont put a lineup consisting of all the guys Eddie would love to have on the court but doesnt, and say its EJ's fault this team isnt performing...

[joony11]

New talent...like...a 2nd yr scoring guard who was among leaders in ppg per 48min last yr? Or a talented young center with rare athletic ability surpassing expectations? Or a 2nd yr hustler who plays great defense down low and has shown a knack for getting rebounds? Or a 4th year bigman who controls the ball like a guard, can block shots and drain open jumpers?

Nick Young is pretty good, but he still needs a bit more time. McGee has been exceeding expectations, but let's not get carried away quite yet. Even Kwame showed flashes his first year. McGuire can be a decent role player, but not much more. Blatche...have you been watching how he plays? He's not nearly as good as his apparent talent should suggest. We have a decent set of young guys, but only Young and McGee have a real shot at being any good in this league.

The comment was made regarding a HALL OF FAMER not a big man. No one on the Pistons has cemented their spot in the hall of fame. A good big man is important yes...we have one, hes out for the year. We have a young one who is playing now in his place and another 4th year guy who is showing improvement and can play the position.

Once again, Blatche has not shown much improvement thus far and never will the way he plays. He does not show a good enough understanding of the game, and the way he approaches each game seems lackluster at best. Even when he "handles the ball," I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets nervous watching him dribble. The Pistons were somewhat of an anomaly, and I think most would agree. Haywood would also probably not qualify as a good big man. Additionally, it doesn't help your case to argue about how the Pistons managed to win with team ball while also arguing about how we have our own superstar in Arenas. Like argue one or the other. Either we're trying to build a team like the Pistons, or we have our star player and can build around him.


That is our team today. Arenas and Haywood are hurt. Jamison averaged 20 AND 10 again last year and would be the sickest 6th man in the game. With Blatche, McGuire, Thomas, Dixon, Daniels...thats a pretty stacked bench.

That's a bench, not a stacked one.

Im not saying there isnt blame to go around, Im saying 99% of everyones justification for Eddie doing a bad job makes ZERO sense. Tell me you think our young guys stink. Tell me you think Butler and AJ both belong on the bench. Tell me Arenas will never come back. Tell me Haywood sucks. Give me something...but dont put a lineup consisting of all the guys Eddie would love to have on the court but doesnt, and say its EJ's fault this team isnt performing...

I personally am not convinced it's Eddie Jordan's fault yet, but I can see why people are getting fed up. A coach should be able to improve defense and inefficient play given the athletes we have at a much higher rate than he has thus far. I think our young guys are okay, but besides Young and McGee, probably won't be great. I don't think anyone is suggesting Butler and AJ should both be on the bench. Arenas may never really be back. Haywood is not great, but does not suck. And his lineup, the one you said looks very similar to our current one (with the exception of a top 5 pick), isn't really much different from who Eddie has on the court. I'm not necessarily agreeing with the poster before you, but you argue from different sides that you start to defeat your own arguments.

[da#1skinsfan]

Nick Young is pretty good, but he still needs a bit more time. McGee has been exceeding expectations, but let's not get carried away quite yet. Even Kwame showed flashes his first year. McGuire can be a decent role player, but not much more. Blatche...have you been watching how he plays? He's not nearly as good as his apparent talent should suggest. We have a decent set of young guys, but only Young and McGee have a real shot at being any good in this league.

These are our B and C players man, NOT our ALL-STARS. If you say Young and McGee have a real shot at being good, thats pretty solid when combined with THREE all-stars. McGuire is developing into a role player, but an important one. I have watched Blatche closely...in the 4 games hes played this season Ive seen a MARKED improvement over last year. YES he takes dumb shots. YES he turns the ball over at times. But hes a kid man, thats what most young players do. The point is he is developing and there is hope there.


Once again, Blatche has not shown much improvement thus far and never will the way he plays. He does not show a good enough understanding of the game, and the way he approaches each game seems lackluster at best. Even when he "handles the ball," I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets nervous watching him dribble. The Pistons were somewhat of an anomaly, and I think most would agree. Haywood would also probably not qualify as a good big man.

OK we can agree to disagree on this entire post outside of getting nervous when Blatche dribbles sometimes.

Additionally, it doesn't help your case to argue about how the Pistons managed to win with team ball while also arguing about how we have our own superstar in Arenas. Like argue one or the other. Either we're trying to build a team like the Pistons, or we have our star player and can build around him.

The comment was made that a team needs a surefire hall of famer to win. The Pistons have dominated the East for years without one. That was my example, point blank, nothing more nothing less. I never said the Pistons won with team ball. I never said the Wizards dont play team ball. All I said was the Pistons won without a hall of famer. Period.

That's a bench, not a stacked one.

Agree to disagree.

I personally am not convinced it's Eddie Jordan's fault yet, but I can see why people are getting fed up. A coach should be able to improve defense and inefficient play given the athletes we have at a much higher rate than he has thus far.

And he has. Jamison - career years. Butler - career years. Dixon already is having the best start to a season in his career. Can go on and on.

And his lineup, the one you said looks very similar to our current one (with the exception of a top 5 pick), isn't really much different from who Eddie has on the court.

Thats my point, I took the lineup that dude posted and said "it isnt much different from Eddies lineup." Exactly my point.

I'm not necessarily agreeing with the poster before you, but you argue from different sides that you start to defeat your own arguments.

Wrong. You are fabricating my argument on that "other side." My argument is straight forward and clear. The Pistons reference is in response to the hall of fame comment, nothing more nothing less.

The case Im making is simple - we have 3 all stars on this team. Promising young players and some solid role players. 1 all star is hurt. 1 KEY center is hurt. We are 0-4. We were 0-5 last year and made the playoffs. Eddie has done a great job with this team in shambles. Ernie has drafted well and pulled off some great trades and contracts. Nothing they have done leads one to believe either should be fired.

I dont know what makes me root for Arenas to come back strong more...to see this team win, or to see all the doom & gloomers with their foot stuck right in their mouths.

[joony11]

so i don't think you really got half of my points, but that's okay. maybe you meant exactly what you said in your most recent response, but it might've been the way that you approached the previous posts that makes it seem like you talk about points that argues from multiple points of view.

anyways, let's just disagree on the matter. and you know, you should root for arenas to come back to see the team win, not to see the doom and gloomers get told. why? because people are allowed to have differing opinions, and to wish for people to be wrong is only a step up from a petty adolescent argument. (i'm speaking of various conversations in this forum in general here btw) for instance, if i'm wrong, then so be it. i can live with that since that means the wiz will actually be good :)

[Mr. Grundle]

so i don't think you really got half of my points, but that's okay. maybe you meant exactly what you said in your most recent response, but it might've been the way that you approached the previous posts that makes it seem like you talk about points that argues from multiple points of view.

anyways, let's just disagree on the matter. and you know, you should root for arenas to come back to see the team win, not to see the doom and gloomers get told. why? because people are allowed to have differing opinions, and to wish for people to be wrong is only a step up from a petty adolescent argument. (i'm speaking of various conversations in this forum in general here btw) for instance, if i'm wrong, then so be it. i can live with that since that means the wiz will actually be good :)

Thumbs up to this post. I don't consider myself a doom and gloomer...rather an optimist. It is my opinion that this team right now, fully healthy, cannot win an NBA championship. We're good, but not that good. But, with a few tweaks and a little luck, I think we can get there...just not this year.

With Brendan Haywood out for the year I don't see any way possible we can play good enough defense to go anywhere this season. Last year we improved our defense in the paint with Wood in there, but gave up a record amount of 3-pointers. This year it looks like we're on pace to break that record again...and we're getting killed in the paint.

This year I see no chance for us, so I am enjoying seeing us getting killed and seeing our young talent develop. I am enjoying seeing our defense being exposed, because it will force a change. I can see why some would be optimistic for this team once Arenas gets back, but I don't see how that will improve our defense. In fact, it should only make it worse. Plus, who's to say Gil will even be his old self once he gets back this year.....IF he gets back this year.

I'm already looking ahead to next season, which is why I'm dreaming of a top draft pick. Gilbert should be completely healthy by next season. Haywood should be completely healthy next season. Nick Young, Javale McGee, and Dom McGuire will have a season of big minutes under their belt. A defensive philosphy will surely be changed by then...whether it's from a new coach or not. Add a top draft pick to all that and then we've got a real chance to make a run.

That Spurs team back in the 90's was a pretty good team with David Robinson, Sean Elliott, etc. One season bitten by injuries let them draft Tim Duncan, and they won a championship the year after. Before Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. That could be us...a pretty good team that had a rotten year but got lucky in the draft.

That Pistons team that won the Championship is another good example. The exception to the "need a HOF'er" rule. They had 4 All-Stars on that team and a Defensive POTY. That could be us, since we have a bunch of All-Stars but not that HOF'er....but we need to play defense like that team did.

I can see it all happening by next season. That's why I'm enjoying watching the Wiz lose this season.

[pjfootballer]

I gotta say, I'm loving it. Let's face it, we weren't winning anything this year to begin with. At best we could hope to squeak into the playoffs for another 1st round loss. I think THAT would be the most painful thing to watch this team do this season.

This is the best thing that could have ever happened to this team. I pray for a season like Miami or Chicago had last year. Look what they got...franchise players in the draft and new coaches.

20-win season. Experience gained for young emerging stars. Old veterans shelved. Top-5 draft pick. New defensive oriented coach. Injured stars finally get healthy.

I NEVER root for my team to suck, but I hate to say that you are right about possibly getting a top 5 pick. It will help. We keep landing in the middle of the 1st round, but don't get "impact" players, just developing players.

It definitely has been annoying just squeaking into the playoffs knowing that we weren't going anywhere. Maybe we'll get the player we need or the right guy will develop.

Agreed. Tired of being 1st round fodder for everyone else.

forcing this franchise to let go of ernie would be the best decision in the immediate future

Ernie isn't the problem. It's Eddie Jordan and the defense.

im not loving them lose but im just numb to it all.....i dont expect anything from them and didnt even during the offseason. U resign Jamison and Arenas and we have essentially the same team....oh by the way we havent done JACK with them and our wonderful coach.

Been saying this for the last 5 years. Same old, same old from the Wiz.

So what. You play to win a championship. That ain't happening with the current format of players. I agree, I hope we get a lottery pick and spend it on a star forward or guard since we got McGee who looks like he is going to be very good.

First round exits are pointless. Even with Arenas back this team can't go past round 1 without a new coach.

Btw, since he is 30 and 30 years ago was 1978, the Bullets were outstanding when he was born.

I'd love to see Avery Johnson as our HC. EJ has put us past the losing seasons hump but he can't make us go any further. It's time for him to go.

Same here. Doesn't do us any good to "just make" the playoffs. We need to go forward. I like the idea of Avery Johnson as coach.

Point is, this is/was a poorly run franchise. It's run better now than in the last 30 years. Be careful what you wish for. I have seen better basketball with first round exits in the last 3-5 than I have seen in the previous 25.

You have to establish yourself as a decent franchise before you can get people to want to play here. You dont go from being in the toilet to a championship franchise overnight.

How many top 10-20 players would ever consider coming to this franchise?

We are on a better track now than I have seen in a LONG time. Go ahead throw our GM and our coach out. Thats our problem right?

While that is true, we are stuck in neutral. We need to shake something up. I like Grunfeld, but I feel his hands have been tied with Arenas and Jamison. Never like EJ. And you "can" go from the toilet to the championship. Spurs in the late 90's, Lakers when they got Shaq and Kobe and just recently the Celtics went from 25 wins to 60+ and a title.

I don't love it but it is a necessary evil...I kinda liken this to San Antonio from the 90's the yr when David Robinson got hurt they basically tanked the season, and only won 19 games got the first pick in the lottery and Drafted Tim Duncan...The Rest is history...

I don't know who is out there to be drafted but we're kind of in this situation right now...

I was going to say this also. We are probably a rebounder/defender away from being a playoff team that can go past the first round. I just don't know who that player is.

[StartColtNow]

I'm lovin' it. Gilbert doesn't have to rush his return, we get a top 5 pick and can finally get a real PF or C.

[skinfan2k]

Ernie is the problem. He was the one responsible for these contracts. Eddie Jordan is just trying to play with what pieces he is given

[Mr. Grundle]

Ernie is the problem. He was the one responsible for these contracts. Eddie Jordan is just trying to play with what pieces he is given

I wonder how much of that is really Abe, though. Abe has shown a lot of man-love for his players recently, mainly his big 3. I don't think Ernie had a choice but to resign those guys no matter the cost.

[method man]

I feel we really need to start rebuilding and instead of relying on Gil's balky knee and Jamison's no-D style, we need to use those guys to trade away our trash (Stevenson and Songaila). We need to get younger stars who will allow this team to compete for a while. Let's assume that we end up with the #1 or #2 pick and get Rubio or Blake Griffin. My proposed trades below should leave us with enough cap space so that we can make a serious run at Carlos Boozer in the offseason.

Two trades to get the rebuilding going!

WAS trades:

Gilbert Arenas
Antawn Jamison
DeShawn Stevenson
Andray Blatche
Etan Thomas

WAS receives:

Monta Ellis
Wilson Chandler
Starbury (expiring...can sit on bench)
Malik Rose (expiring)

GSW trades:

Monta Ellis
Al Harrington
Stephen Jackson
Ronny Turiaf

GSW receives:

Gilbert Arenas
Antawn Jamison
DeShawn Stevenson
Andray Blatche

NYK trades:

Starbury
Wilson Chandler
Malik Rose

NYK receives:

Al Harrington
Stephen Jackson
Ronny Turiaf
Etan Thomas

Why for Washington? This trade gets the rebuilding going and we get an energetic young rising star and a second year guy who has been a real surprise this season with a huge expiring deal. We also manage to dump Stevenson.

Why for GSW? They really went after Gil this past offseason. They are not liking Monta right now and they pull the trigger on this deal because they get 2 All-Stars and Blatche in return

Why for NYK? They do lose the rising Chandler but they get Jackson and Harrington who they have the option of dumping for Bron or keeping. They are looking to make the playoffs this year and these two guys would be a major boost. Both guys also fit D'Antoni's system as well.


Trade #2

AD and Songaila for Hinrich
Throw in the Memphis #1 if necessary
Bulls need PG help now and AD also helps to clear cap.


So for next season, we could have

PG: Hinrich/Rubio/Dixon
SG: Ellis/Nick
SF: Butler/Chandler/McGuire
PF: Boozer/(vet FA)
C: Haywood/McGee/Pesh

OR

PG: Hinrich/Dixon/Dee Brown
SG: Ellis/Nick
SF: Butler/Chandler/McGuire
PF: Boozer/Blake Griffin
C: Haywood/McGee/Pesh

These two teams are a lot better than our current team.

In the offseason, use Etan as a trade piece or dump him. If we get Rubio in the draft, let him play behind Hinrich for a year and let Hinrich boost his trade value.

[joony11]

I wonder how much of that is really Abe, though. Abe has shown a lot of man-love for his players recently, mainly his big 3. I don't think Ernie had a choice but to resign those guys no matter the cost.

Yeah, I actually think that might be much of the problem. I feel like Ernie would have had to deal with a lot of crap if he didn't resign 'tawn or arenas, whether it be from Abe or some other form of external pressure

[pjfootballer]

Ernie is the problem. He was the one responsible for these contracts. Eddie Jordan is just trying to play with what pieces he is given

And if Ernie lets them go, we have a bunch of fans complaining about rebuilding again, which is what we'd essentially doing again if we didn't re-sign Gil or Twan. I think he was in a no win situation.

[RedskinsFan28]

I would enjoy it even more if my Spurs weren't stuck in a rut...:mad:

[jtyler42]

I feel we really need to start rebuilding and instead of relying on Gil's balky knee and Jamison's no-D style, we need to use those guys to trade away our trash (Stevenson and Songaila). We need to get younger stars who will allow this team to compete for a while. Let's assume that we end up with the #1 or #2 pick and get Rubio or Blake Griffin. My proposed trades below should leave us with enough cap space so that we can make a serious run at Carlos Boozer in the offseason.

Two trades to get the rebuilding going!

WAS trades:

Gilbert Arenas
Antawn Jamison
DeShawn Stevenson
Andray Blatche
Etan Thomas

WAS receives:

Monta Ellis
Wilson Chandler
Starbury (expiring...can sit on bench)
Malik Rose (expiring)

GSW trades:

Monta Ellis
Al Harrington
Stephen Jackson
Ronny Turiaf

GSW receives:

Gilbert Arenas
Antawn Jamison
DeShawn Stevenson
Andray Blatche

NYK trades:

Starbury
Wilson Chandler
Malik Rose

NYK receives:

Al Harrington
Stephen Jackson
Ronny Turiaf
Etan Thomas

Why for Washington? This trade gets the rebuilding going and we get an energetic young rising star and a second year guy who has been a real surprise this season with a huge expiring deal. We also manage to dump Stevenson.

Why for GSW? They really went after Gil this past offseason. They are not liking Monta right now and they pull the trigger on this deal because they get 2 All-Stars and Blatche in return

Why for NYK? They do lose the rising Chandler but they get Jackson and Harrington who they have the option of dumping for Bron or keeping. They are looking to make the playoffs this year and these two guys would be a major boost. Both guys also fit D'Antoni's system as well.


Trade #2

AD and Songaila for Hinrich
Throw in the Memphis #1 if necessary
Bulls need PG help now and AD also helps to clear cap.


So for next season, we could have

PG: Hinrich/Rubio/Dixon
SG: Ellis/Nick
SF: Butler/Chandler/McGuire
PF: Boozer/(vet FA)
C: Haywood/McGee/Pesh

OR

PG: Hinrich/Dixon/Dee Brown
SG: Ellis/Nick
SF: Butler/Chandler/McGuire
PF: Boozer/Blake Griffin
C: Haywood/McGee/Pesh

These two teams are a lot better than our current team.

In the offseason, use Etan as a trade piece or dump him. If we get Rubio in the draft, let him play behind Hinrich for a year and let Hinrich boost his trade value.

Man I really enjoy the work you put into posts like these and they usually end up making sense for all teams involved...:applause:

[hands11]

Point is, this is/was a poorly run franchise. It's run better now than in the last 30 years. Be careful what you wish for. I have seen better basketball with first round exits in the last 3-5 than I have seen in the previous 25.

You have to establish yourself as a decent franchise before you can get people to want to play here. You dont go from being in the toilet to a championship franchise overnight.

How many top 10-20 players would ever consider coming to this franchise?

We are on a better track now than I have seen in a LONG time. Go ahead throw our GM and our coach out. Thats our problem right?

GM - Good Talent, picks, salaries = pretty good with a future.
Coach - Bad and given plenty of time to prove otherwise
Owner - meddling i.e = bad - check track record. See Wes Unseld.

The worst of what is blamed on EG is really to be blamed on Abe. You know he meddles. Just see that he hand picked to HC and then the GM.

Solution = Get ride of the coach. No brainier and from where I sit it's about 4 years over due. I'm not going to get nasty on Abe but he needs to get out of the way or sell the team.

There are no surprises here. EG keep Haywood which he should have. He got ride of Hughes and Jefferies when they wanted to much. He got the center we needed. He has been making good moves given his restrictions. And it all leads up to this year. He can now move Etan, DS, AD and others if needed.

All that is left is for us to loose enough to get ride of EJ and then for EG to do his magic and moving around the remaining pieces. Loosing now means winning tomorrow. I only wish we could have lost to ATL last year and continued to loose so we would already have a new coach.

Now it's a year later and I'm hoping for the same thing. EJ is not a good HC. Face facts.

[Mr. Grundle]

Well, I'm still hoping we tank the season...but it sure did feel good to hear Buck yell DAGGER again.

[chipwhich]

The worst of what is blamed on EG is really to be blamed on Abe. You know he meddles. Just see that he hand picked to HC and then the GM.

Solution = Get ride of the coach. No brainier and from where I sit it's about 4 years over due. I'm not going to get nasty on Abe but he needs to get out of the way or sell the team.



You said all that needs to be said here, but then came to the wrong conclusion.

There is a reason we haven't had championships from the caps/bullets/wizards in 30 years.

It's the owner. Abe (Less our caps owner who has had his own shortcomings).

Abe is the reason we have been bottom dwellers. You think a different coach would have had much better results the last few years? What maybe we get past round two?????? It's the owner. Let that sink in.

I had to endure coaches like Unseld, Gar Hurd, etc, etc, etc. Give me a well run franchise, then we can focus on the coach.

[pjfootballer]

I agree. I've been wanting Abe to go for so long. He's like Al Davis. Living in a different era. I would love for Leonsis to take over. Ted has the Capitals in the right direction.

[hands11]

You said all that needs to be said here, but then came to the wrong conclusion.

There is a reason we haven't had championships from the caps/bullets/wizards in 30 years.

It's the owner. Abe (Less our caps owner who has had his own shortcomings).

Abe is the reason we have been bottom dwellers. You think a different coach would have had much better results the last few years? What maybe we get past round two?????? It's the owner. Let that sink in.

I had to endure coaches like Unseld, Gar Hurd, etc, etc, etc. Give me a well run franchise, then we can focus on the coach.

We can differ in our conclusions while we challenge each other.

From my view, I ask, What effect has the owner had ? You mentioned the coaches he has given us. I agree. That is still my point. Why is he picking coaches.

He picks the GM. I'm very happy with ours.

He pays the bills. I don't mind him wanting to stay under the cap. It's a sound idea.

But where he over steps himself is when he get involved in who to keep. Players and coaches included (GMs job). And the #1 overstepping that he has done is picking he HC before the GM. That is very unorthodox for an owner to do that.

Since many has documented EJ poor line ups. He slowness to adjust. His over willingness to play vets like Ruffin out of position when there is better younger talent on his bench ( Haywood/Blatche). I blame the owner primarily but it's only because he has tied EGs hands because our coach doesn't take care of the first order of business which is lining up to best players.

While our starters have struggled we have had the 3rd best bench. That's putting the cart before the horse.

While we may not have the talent of the Spurs, EJ has regularly under optimized what we do have. Then we find out what we have when EJ has no other choice but the play them. See Haywood. See McGee.

And those player he plays ahead of the ones she should, most aren't here anymore. See Ruffin. See Hayes. Etan will be the next to go.

EJ consistently being late to figure out the obvious cost us +5-10 games a year. You can already see at least 2 or 3 games this year and we are only at 7 games.

That doesn't even take into account if better coached we could have gotten deeper in the playoffs and the effect that has on a team.

It also doesn't account for how he over plays a handful of players and wears them out. See GA, CB, and AJ. League leading mins year after year. The league leading. That mean more then all the other professional coaches.

So when I say Abe I'm really saying Abe/EJ because it goes hand in hand.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Ah, the normal haters are in the house. And off of WE. Good.

Please just stay here and continue to echo-chamber one another. All five of you. Please.

[twenty-eight]

forcing this franchise to let go of ernie would be the best decision in the immediate future

:dunce:

Seriously?

Yeah why the **** did he draft javele mcgee? And that Nick Young kid sucks! What kind of moron trades Kwame Brown for Caron Butler?

[chipwhich]

We can differ in our conclusions while we challenge each other.


I don't think are views are that far apart.

I believe had Abe not had his hand still partially in the cookie jar, Grunfield would have made different player choices.

That said, our Wizards are constantly playing under his over watching hand.

I don't think EJ has a great team to work with less Arenas, less Haywood. In the end it all comes back to Abe. Bringing in a new coach might win us a few more games with the same end result.

:2cents:

[joony11]

Ah, the normal haters are in the house. And off of WE. Good.

Please just stay here and continue to echo-chamber one another. All five of you. Please.

yeesh, someone's got a rod up in there

[Mr. Grundle]

Wow, that was the sexiest loss of the year! Another team missing two starters, coming off like 4 straight losses or something. Man we really thought we had it in the bag there when Stevenson lucked in that horrible shot. Then to give up a open 3 to lose the lead was just so fitting. A truly demoralizing defeat. That should insure a true blowout loss tomorrow. 1-9 here we come!

[skinfan2k]

really 1-8? keep failing

[pjfootballer]

This is getting ugly. Oh well, maybe we'll get a top 3 pick out of it. We sure could use it.

[Mr. Grundle]

Looks like Gilbert is having the same train of thought:

"I don't want to see them struggle," Arenas said Thursday, "but if this is one of those years where we don't make the playoffs or we finish in last place ... that's what happened to San Antonio and that's how they got Tim Duncan and look at them now ... and that's for the better."

[pjfootballer]

I don't like to watch them lose, but if we get a top 3 pick out of it, it may be for the better in the future.

[Gator Bait]

I feel we really need to start rebuilding and instead of relying on Gil's balky knee and Jamison's no-D style, we need to use those guys to trade away our trash (Stevenson and Songaila). We need to get younger stars who will allow this team to compete for a while. Let's assume that we end up with the #1 or #2 pick and get Rubio or Blake Griffin. My proposed trades below should leave us with enough cap space so that we can make a serious run at Carlos Boozer in the offseason.

Two trades to get the rebuilding going!

WAS trades:

Gilbert Arenas
Antawn Jamison
DeShawn Stevenson
Andray Blatche
Etan Thomas

WAS receives:

Monta Ellis
Wilson Chandler
Starbury (expiring...can sit on bench)
Malik Rose (expiring)

GSW trades:

Monta Ellis
Al Harrington
Stephen Jackson
Ronny Turiaf

GSW receives:

Gilbert Arenas
Antawn Jamison
DeShawn Stevenson
Andray Blatche

NYK trades:

Starbury
Wilson Chandler
Malik Rose

NYK receives:

Al Harrington
Stephen Jackson
Ronny Turiaf
Etan Thomas

Why for Washington? This trade gets the rebuilding going and we get an energetic young rising star and a second year guy who has been a real surprise this season with a huge expiring deal. We also manage to dump Stevenson.

Why for GSW? They really went after Gil this past offseason. They are not liking Monta right now and they pull the trigger on this deal because they get 2 All-Stars and Blatche in return

Why for NYK? They do lose the rising Chandler but they get Jackson and Harrington who they have the option of dumping for Bron or keeping. They are looking to make the playoffs this year and these two guys would be a major boost. Both guys also fit D'Antoni's system as well.


Trade #2

AD and Songaila for Hinrich
Throw in the Memphis #1 if necessary
Bulls need PG help now and AD also helps to clear cap.


So for next season, we could have

PG: Hinrich/Rubio/Dixon
SG: Ellis/Nick
SF: Butler/Chandler/McGuire
PF: Boozer/(vet FA)
C: Haywood/McGee/Pesh

OR

PG: Hinrich/Dixon/Dee Brown
SG: Ellis/Nick
SF: Butler/Chandler/McGuire
PF: Boozer/Blake Griffin
C: Haywood/McGee/Pesh

These two teams are a lot better than our current team.

In the offseason, use Etan as a trade piece or dump him. If we get Rubio in the draft, let him play behind Hinrich for a year and let Hinrich boost his trade value.

perfect reason why the espn trade machine needs to go away!

[RedskinsNation]

Another night of slack defense....HEY LETS GIVE GUYS WIDE OPEN THREES!!!

I hope nobody wonders why we SUCK...we allow people wide open jumpers...game after game and year after year...its really baffling watching this team lose.

I stand by my prediction we start 6-19.

[BayouBrave86]

We just lost to a NY team on a back to back with 7 players. McGee hardly got any time. Eddie Jordan FAIL.

[spjunkies]

Another night of slack defense....HEY LETS GIVE GUYS WIDE OPEN THREES!!!

I hope nobody wonders why we SUCK...we allow people wide open jumpers...game after game and year after year...its really baffling watching this team lose.

I stand by my prediction we start 6-19.

I think you're being a little too kind.

[Mr. Grundle]

This gets better and better by the game. Just when I think they can't look any worse...they lose to a team playing a back to back, with only 7 players, none of which are taller than 6'8. Sounds like a perfect time to play your 7-foot athletic freak of a rookie only 7 minutes! Eddie Jordan is my hero. My only fear now is that he gets himself fired too quickly and they get someone to actually make this team competitive before we get all those lotto balls.

[Slateman]

Hate to drop the "youth" card.

You do realize that this team has sucked since before you were born.

Then we have a brief glimmer of hope with Arenas around the time you are old enough to really start caring about basketball.

Now you are wishing for the lottery. We have had PLENTY of lottery opportunity. Look what it has gotten us in the last 30 years.

Yea. There really is something about Washington teams and Top 5 draft picks . . .

[LLandryistheshiz]

I went to the Wiz - Rockets game Friday with DECA. It was pretty fun. We sat in the nosebleeds. Too bad we had to witness them suck. :silly:

That is all.

[hands11]

I don't think are views are that far apart.

I believe had Abe not had his hand still partially in the cookie jar, Grunfield would have made different player choices.

That said, our Wizards are constantly playing under his over watching hand.

I don't think EJ has a great team to work with less Arenas, less Haywood. In the end it all comes back to Abe. Bringing in a new coach might win us a few more games with the same end result.

:2cents:

Your not going to out .... Abe is the problem ..... me.

I've been saying that for years so we are on the same page there. I was just getting to what would actually change. Abe is the only one who can fire Abe.

But...this coaching change is what I hoped would happen. And in doing so, I believe... I hope... the cord has been cut. Abe no longer has his hand in that cookie jar. EG is in more control of this franchise now.

It's no longer Abe-EFJ-EG. It going to be Abe-EG-then everyone else.
Like it should have been all along.

He and Tapps will guide the direction more in sync and they are 2 bright minds for basketball. They will find the next coach and that coach will be EGs pick. It will be on his shoulders but at the same time, it will be someone he believes is a great head coach. And since I believe in EG, I believe brighter days are ahead because it will be a great head coach.

Abe will stick around as long as he can. He wants to see another winning team before he moves on. He wants his franchise value up before he passes on his fortune. I think in the firing of EFJ, you also saw Abe take a few steps out of the picture. He tried it his way and it didn't work. Now it's time to trust the man he fired to get it done.

Now he may still have some input when it comes to Gil, CB or AJ but I think that's about it. But if EG really makes to the case for a move, I think Abe will roll with it. Specially if we start to see this team improve how it is coached. i.e. the youngs develop some game... or we get better on D and get some wins.

I'm hopeful. It might not happen over night but I like our chances better for the long run.

[Mr. Grundle]

Well, the losing is going even better than I anticipated. We are officially the worst team in the NBA.

However, I am no longer enjoying watching it happen. The goal in a lost season is to get your young guys some much needed experience and preserve your veterans for next season.

For whatever reason, that isn't happening. It actually pains me to watch Jamison and Butler play 40+ minutes a night....almost as much as watching Mike James play 30+. Songaila still getting all his minutes at C. Meanwhile Young, McGee, Crittenton, and Pecherov rot on the bench. That would be 4 first round draft picks in the past 3 years you have at your disposal, with potential, that only need experience.....yet they can't get it on the worst team in the NBA.

You gotta be f'ing kidding me. This is the most absurd thing I've ever seen from this club over all the years of ineptitude. I am really just stunned by the stupidity.

AJ and Caron officially didn't make the All Star team. If either of them plays more than 35 minutes for the rest of the season, someone needs to be fired. Mike James should be playing ZERO minutes. He should be the last guy on the end of the bench.

And I don't wanna hear anything about pumping up trade value. For Caron or AJ, it isn't necessary. Everyone already knows their value. For James it also isn't necessary, everyone knows he is worthless. We're actually hurting his value by showing everyone that the guy still can't produce when he plays big minutes.

It's just insanity. I can't even bear to watch it anymore.

[Gator Bait]

The goal in a lost season is to get your young guys some much needed experience and preserve your veterans for next season.
agreed. At least eddie Jordan played mcGee significant minutes. what is Tap thinking? ....and he was head of player development....makes zero sense.

It actually pains me to watch Jamison and Butler play 40+ minutes a night
40 minutes a night is very extreme for a team in our position. I wouldn't play either of them any more than 20 minutes a game.

Songaila still getting all his minutes at C
:rotflmao: at Songaila being a center

Mike James should be playing ZERO minutes. He should be the last guy on the end of the bench.
why shouldn't he play? He isn't a cornerstone of the team or anything (so it doesn't matter if he gets hurt) but he plays well with the team and could build good chemistry for next year (when he is the back-up PG) I'd play James at least 30 min per game.

And I don't wanna hear anything about pumping up trade value. For Caron or AJ, it isn't necessary
I could see trading Jamison if it worked out in our favor. I really like Jamison and he is a good leader in the locker room, but he plays 0 defense. If we got Griffin, we could move Antawn to SF where he belongs, he wouldn't be as much of a defensive liability there.

. Everyone already knows their value. For James it also isn't necessary, everyone knows he is worthless.
I think James is far from worthless...he is no all-star, but he provides solid depth and could be a sixth or seventh man for man NBA teams.

We're actually hurting his value by showing everyone that the guy still can't produce when he plays big minutes.
Have you watched any games since he got to the wizards? He has been one of the few bright spots on the team this year!

[Mr. Grundle]

Have you watched any games since he got to the wizards? He has been one of the few bright spots on the team this year!

I've watched every game this season. Mike James is frickin terrible. Another shoot-first PG who really can't shoot all that well. He's had a couple games where he was hot and scored well, but that's bound to happen occasionally for any shot-jacker. It actually looks like they took the basketball skills of Deshawn Stevenson and injected them into Mike James corpse.

He's old, he sucks, he's not in our plans for the future, so I just don't understand why he would play such heavy minutes over a guy like Crittenton, or even Juan Dixon. What's the difference between him and Dixon that he should play 30+ minutes and Dixon shouldn't play any? They're both undersized streak-shooting combo guards, except Dixon's actually been here longer and has somewhat of a fanbase here.

James last 5 games:

vs. Miami - 32 min, 2-8, 5 pts
vs. Phoenix - 36 min, 0-4, 0 pts
vs. Portland - 28 min, 0-3, 2 pts
vs. Lakers - 32 min, 4-10, 8 pts
vs. Kings - 39 min, 4-10, 8 pts

Jesus Christ, I didn't think it was possible, but after actually looking at those numbers, he might be worse than Deshawn Stevenson. I hope Deshawn comes back tonight and starts so I can have the pleasure of watching the worst starting backcourt in the history of the NBA.

[Gator Bait]

I've watched every game this season. Mike James is frickin terrible. Another shoot-first PG who really can't shoot all that well. He's had a couple games where he was hot and scored well, but that's bound to happen occasionally for any shot-jacker. It actually looks like they took the basketball skills of Deshawn Stevenson and injected them into Mike James corpse.

He's old, he sucks, he's not in our plans for the future, so I just don't understand why he would play such heavy minutes over a guy like Crittenton, or even Juan Dixon. What's the difference between him and Dixon that he should play 30+ minutes and Dixon shouldn't play any? They're both undersized streak-shooting combo guards, except Dixon's actually been here longer and has somewhat of a fanbase here.

James last 5 games:

vs. Miami - 32 min, 2-8, 5 pts
vs. Phoenix - 36 min, 0-4, 0 pts
vs. Portland - 28 min, 0-3, 2 pts
vs. Lakers - 32 min, 4-10, 8 pts
vs. Kings - 39 min, 4-10, 8 pts

Jesus Christ, I didn't think it was possible, but after actually looking at those numbers, he might be worse than Deshawn Stevenson. I hope Deshawn comes back tonight and starts so I can have the pleasure of watching the worst starting backcourt in the history of the NBA.

I never claimed James was an all-star...but you saying he sucks is just plain stupid. I have no problem w/ Crittenton and Dixon getting minutes. I'd rather see Crittenton get them. Dixon is done after this year. The only reason we signed him is because he played in Eddie Jordan's system before and he was cheap. Tap won't be the head coach next year and you better believe his replacement isn't going to run Eddie Jordan's Princeton offense!

Mike James will be here next year unless he opts out (which at this point in his career wouldn't make much sense to opt out of 6 million for a back-up)

He has had a few bad games here lately...but he was very effective in many of the games since the trade.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

I dont enjoy watching us lose because:

A. It sucks

B. There is no gurantee of the worst team getting the #1 pick

C. I'm not overly impressed with this up and coming draft. Maybe by the time the draft is upon us, there will be more prospects to get excited about, but as of right now, there is no clear cut BEAST coming out.

[Gator Bait]

A. It sucks
it does suck!
B. There is no gurantee of the worst team getting the #1 pick
I know...sucks! what are the odds? anyone know.

recently I was told the last place team only has 25% chance of winning the lottery....is that true?

[pjfootballer]

No beast? Ask Blake Griffin. Everytime I see his line it's 20 something and 12-16 rbs. I'd take him in a heartbeat and play him at the 4. And why not tank? Or would you rather go 41-41 and get another marginal player at pick 19? Screw it, Gil is out, Brenden is out. Tank it all the way. 10-38 now, let's make it 15-67 for all I care. We get Gil and Heywood back, plus a top 3 pick, look out for the Wiz next year.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

No beast? Ask Blake Griffin. Everytime I see his line it's 20 something and 12-16 rbs. I'd take him in a heartbeat and play him at the 4. And why not tank? Or would you rather go 41-41 and get another marginal player at pick 19? Screw it, Gil is out, Brenden is out. Tank it all the way. 10-38 now, let's make it 15-67 for all I care. We get Gil and Heywood back, plus a top 3 pick, look out for the Wiz next year.



Oh naw, I'm definitely all for tankin the season, Im just not "enjoying" it. And I'm not particularly excited about this draft. I'm a huge fan of Blake Griffin, but I just have a feeling he is going #1 overrall, and though we suck we are not gurranteed to get that #1 slot. There are other garbage teams to. The Grizzlies, Bobcats, The Thunder. I would be more excited if this was going to be a deep draft. But like I said, it's to early.

[pjfootballer]

Oh naw, I'm definitely all for tankin the season, Im just not "enjoying" it. And I'm not particularly excited about this draft. I'm a huge fan of Blake Griffin, but I just have a feeling he is going #1 overrall, and though we suck we are not gurranteed to get that #1 slot. There are other garbage teams to. The Grizzlies, Bobcats, The Thunder. I would be more excited if this was going to be a deep draft. But like I said, it's to early.

True. Nobody said it would be painless.;)

[TheREALJBird]

True. Nobody said it would be painless.;)

It's like pulling off a band-aid....82 times:).