Oklahoma vs Texas Tech

[Elessar78]

I'm rooting for Oklahoma. Only to see how the BCS sorts out the cluster **** of TT, OU, and UT.

Interesting idea I heard on ESPNU... that a team must win it's conference to be eligible for the NC. Seems like a reasonable request.

[royallypwned]

I'm rooting for Oklahoma. Only to see how the BCS sorts out the cluster **** of TT, OU, and UT.

Interesting idea I heard on ESPNU... that a team must win it's conference to be eligible for the NC. Seems like a reasonable request.
hahahaha which is FALSE. At least if they mean that a team must win their conference championship game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=233400201

Rewind to 2003, Oklahoma was 12-0 heading to the Big 12 title game. Inconveniently for the BCS, OU got destroyed by Kansas St. by four touchdowns in that game. So what happens? Oklahoma still gets the nod to go to the BCS title game, where they lose to LSU. USC finishes the season #1 in the AP because of it. That was back in the day when people hadn't started hating USC yet and actually felt bad for them.

Fast forward back to today. If Tech beats Oklahoma this weekend, and that's a big IF, then barring a collapse against Baylor, Tech will zoom into the Big 12 title game at 12-0. There, they will face Missouri, who will go in with a 10-2 record, assuming a win over Kansas, and close to a #10 ranking. The similarities between this year in the Big 12 compared to 2003 are many. Kansas St. in 2003 won the North by one game over Nebraska. Missouri looks like they will do the same. Missouri will have an almost identical record and ranking as KSU had heading into the title game. Both teams suffered losing streaks midway through the season to Texas and Oklahoma St. in consecutive weeks that brought down their ranking a little.

Texas Tech, if they beat OU, will move to #1. That, I can pretty much guarantee. Alabama doesn't play, and Tech should really be #1 right now anyway. Not only that, but they would remain at #1 up to the Big 12 title game, just like Oklahoma was in 2003.

Would Missouri beat Tech to cause the ruckus that occured in 2003? Not likely, and Tech would be favored by quite a bit. But it wasn't likely then either, and look what happened. The game wasn't close, but it was the "wrong team" winning.

If Tech beats OU this weekend, 2003 could be all set up to happen again.

[DCSaints_fan]

hahahaha which is FALSE. At least if they mean that a team must win their conference championship game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=233400201

Rewind to 2003, Oklahoma was 12-0 heading to the Big 12 title game. Inconveniently for the BCS, OU got destroyed by Kansas St. by four touchdowns in that game. So what happens? Oklahoma still gets the nod to go to the BCS title game, where they lose to LSU. USC finishes the season #1 in the AP because of it. That was back in the day when people hadn't started hating USC yet and actually felt bad for them.

But wasn't there some rule stating that conference title games didn't "count" for the BCS, and even though no one thought that the Sooners derserved to go the MNC game, they had to sned them because of the BCS rules at the time(which were amended to include conference title games)?

[Ford]

But wasn't there some rule stating that conference title games didn't "count" for the BCS, and even though no one thought that the Sooners derserved to go the MNC game, they had to sned them because of the BCS rules at the time(which were amended to include conference title games)?

No. The conference championship game counted towards the BCS.

OU was unbeaten going into that game and USC and LSU each had one loss. The voters had OU #3 but they had a much higher strength of schedule than USC and LSU, so there was a big enough difference in the computer rankings that OU remained in the top 2 of the BCS. OU didn't win their conference, but they had the same number of losses as a Pac 10 USC, who doesn't even have to play a conference championship. There are arguments both ways.

In any event, for USC to claim a split-title is laughable. They agree to participate in a system that has a very specific set of criteria, and when the results don't work in their favor, the claim some alternative route to victory.

Until conferences like the Big 10 and and Pac 10 play conference championships, or (preferably) conferences that play them get rid of them (won't happen because of $$), there will always be a little controversy.

[Elessar78]

Ford, your boys made TT look like they took their JV team to Norman last night. Good job!

[ixcuincle]

Yes , good job. Another one of those OU blowouts.

Good luck against OSU , probably will blow them out too. Lol

[ArmchairRedskin]

WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!


Texas number 2!!


awesome :)

[Ford]

Ford, your boys made TT look like they took their JV team to Norman last night. Good job!

Thanks, hopefully they can keep it up. Plenty of work left to do.

WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!


Texas number 2!!


awesome :)

For now. OU jumped Texas in both human polls (and the AP), and the computer rankings (the only thing keeping Texas in front right now) will tighten considerably next week when OU adds a road game against the #11/12 team in the country and Texas' strength of schedule takes a hit as they host 4-7 A&M. If OU, Tech, and Texas all win out next week, my money is on OU going to the Big 12 championship. Texas' best hopes involve either a Baylor loss or an OU loss in the Big 12 Championship against Mizzou. If OU loses to OSU, Texas would lose a tiebreaker with Texas Tech.

Like I said a couple of weeks ago -- it's going to be very close and one fan base is going to be rightfully upset with the result.

[ArmchairRedskin]

OU probably does have the best shot at the Big XII championship and thus the NC game. TT screwed Texas twice this year. Once by winning in Lubbock, and secondly by getting thoroughly clobbered by OU at Norman. Thanks a bunch you effing losers. You were supposed to lose a close game, not get blown out by halftime.

I won't be too upset if OU goes. They earned it. I understand how voters could see OU as the best of the three right now, but honestly, I think the head to head matchup should count for a lot more than it apparently does at this point. Kind of unfair if a team you beat earlier in the season is put in a championship game ahead of you if you end up with the same record. Those are the breaks I guess.

The real farce, though, is that USC is somehow ranked 5th. How in the hell does that happen?

[WileCoyote]

Glad OU won but damn TT could have atleast pretended to be interested in the game,it's a shame the rules are were they are,I would prefer to see the two best teams in the Big 12 play in the B12 championsip game(Texas,OU) then either play Missouri.....

[The Evil Genius]

Didn't the two best teams already play at a neutral site?

[Ford]

Didn't the two best teams already play at a neutral site?

There are no top 2 teams. There are three top teams deadlocked in a tie and the head to heads cancel each other out. Head to head is the first tiebreaker in the Big 12 and if it was relevant it would have been the determining factor ... it's not. You can't argue for Texas over OU based on a head to head without demanding that Tech is ahead of Texas. On what basis are you throwing Tech out of the picture to fall in line with underlying biases?

[The Evil Genius]

There are no top 2 teams. There are three top teams deadlocked in a tie and the head to heads cancel each other out. Head to head is the first tiebreaker in the Big 12 and if it was relevant it would have been the determining factor ... it's not. You can't argue for Texas over OU based on a head to head without demanding that Tech is ahead of Texas. On what basis are you throwing Tech out of the picture to fall in line with underlying biases?

Agreed. However if the decision is between Oklahoma and Texas, then its obvious right?

[Ford]

Agreed. However if the decision is between Oklahoma and Texas, then its obvious right?

If the decision came down to just OU vs. Texas, then I would tend to agree with that. As Stoops said the other day, you can't act as if there isn't an argument against you if you lost. Plain and simple. Both Texas and OU have losses and decent arguments against them. However ... its not just a decision between Oklahoma and Texas. If we lose this week and take ourselves out of the running, it will be Texas Tech and not the Longhorns who advance.

It's convenient for people to drop Texas Tech out of the conversation to simplify the decision. I just think the criteria for determining who comes out on top should be consistent. If the case is Tech is out of the running because they lost so late in the season, and it then shifts to a head to head between OU and Texas, I don't think that's a consistent, cogent argument. Granted I think the timing of losses should be more or less irrelevant, but if that's the determining factor we lost in October while Texas lost in November. When head to head between the three teams doesn't work there needs to be one consistent criterion to break the tie. I don't think there is one that is legitimate and agreeable by all parties, other than maybe considering the overall resume and body of work which will be very, very close.

It's going to be messy and very close, and there's really no good way of deciding it that is going to leave everyone happy.

[WileCoyote]

Well Texas lost on a last few seconds TD,OU lost to Texas,OU beat down Tech,and Texas clobbered Missouri,Tech is out by default.....

[Gator Bait]

Has anyone thought of the prospects of #4 Florida barely beating Bama (after Bama and UF beat Auburn and FSU) and Florida and Alabama finish the season 1 & 2 and play for the national championship?

[Ford]

Has anyone thought of the prospects of #4 Florida barely beating Bama (after Bama and UF beat Auburn and FSU) and Florida and Alabama finish the season 1 & 2 and play for the national championship?

Eh ... I think there would be more than enough voter movement to ensure that wouldn't happen.

Of course there's always the possibility that Florida could lose to Florida State and beat Bama in the SEC championship game, setting up an OU/Texas rematch in the championship game. Unlikely, but I think more likely than the scenario you presented. I don't think Florida will lose, but stranger things have happened and there's a lot of football left to be played.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Here's what should happen

OU barely squeaks by OSU (whom they normally have a tough time with at OSU), Texas destroys A&M and is therefore favored by the BCS computers. Texas then goes to the Big 12 Championship game, takes care of Mizzou once again, and then faces Florida in the NC game.

Bing bang boom, everyone's happy. :)

[Ford]

Here's what should happen

OU barely squeaks by OSU (whom they normally have a tough time with at OSU), Texas destroys A&M and is therefore favored by the BCS computers. Texas then goes to the Big 12 Championship game, takes care of Mizzou once again, and then faces Florida in the NC game.

Bing bang boom, everyone's happy. :)

Problem with that is the computers aren't allowed to take margin of victory into account. If they were, OU would have benefited a lot more from their win over Tech. Texas can only stand to lose ground in the computers if both OU and Texas win because they will take a hit on their strength of schedule and OU will get a boost from playing OSU. I don't think Texas can convince any voters to reverse their votes from last week based on blowing out a team that OU beat by 38 in College Station a couple of weeks ago.

[WileCoyote]

And Kansas beats Missouri,yet due to the rules still get to stay in the B12 Championship which sucks big time.....Now if OU and Texas were able to be in the game and OU won that game then I could live with that.....