"Miracle" Amish Heater, and other scams

[Switchgear]

My wife and I saw an ad (made to look like a regular newspaper article) for a "Miracle" Amish heater this morning. After a bit of digging around (there are some good sources here (http://todstrohblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/miracle.html) and here (http://blogs.chron.com/consumerwatch/2008/01/amish_heater_not_a_hot_item.html), the comments are great, especially the "plant" comments) it was readily apparent that these fine folks are selling two 1500W space heaters (usually priced around $20) and a fake fireplace front for $300 to $500.

One comment that really made me laugh

The heater is FREE! all you do is pay for the mantle. WOW! what a deal? So, if you have a problem with the heater and you want your money back, the phone conversation with customer service would go something like this:
"Ummm Sir/Ma'am? You say your new miracle heater is not heating the house for pennies and you want your money back? Hmmm. How is the mantle holding up? Because we can't refund you money for a none working heater that you didn't pay for. If the mantle is working then our end of the bargain is upheld." HA! Sneaky huh?

The Heat Surge site (http://www.heatsurge.com/index.cfm?) is hilarious. I'm sure they'll change it soon, but right now the prices are $587.00 (crossed out), with a much larger, red text $587.00 next to it, for the Deluxe Amish Cherry Fireplace. And then there's the "Prices valid for" counter, apparently I can only get this special deal for another 46 hours. I'd better act quickly.

The print ads are pretty funny too, the first link I put in has some examples.

Some other scam links:

ChocolateCitySkin's Coke (http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=273890) scam thread

footballhenry's Primerica (http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=270187) thread (not quite a scam, but a good read)

The White Van Scam (http://www.scamshield.com/Feature.asp?id=1)

Snopes has a good scam section (http://www.snopes.com/fraud/fraud.asp).

Don't cash any checks for anyone, the FTC (http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre40.shtm) has some good info about that.

Feel free to add more, but please no political BS, and no conspiracy theory crap.

[Corcaigh]

I saw the TV add where they say "only uses as much as a coffee maker" or similar, but of course a coffee maker running continuously for hours on end will use a serious amount of electricity. If it run's continuously 24/7 one of these puppies will cost about $240 per month in electricity.

[renaissance]

The commercials for the miracle heater are REALLY annoying. I love the scene with the little horse drawn carriage pulling two of them through the snow though. haha

[Mr. S]

it seems weird that the Amish would agree to work with such a questionable marketing campaign.

[Larry]

Anybody seen any evidence that "The Amish", as a group, or even one Amish, are in any way involved at all?

[ACW]

Let's not forget the EdenPure heater, or the hoax of colon cleansing, or Kevin mother****ing Trudeau.

[zoony]

The Amish have always been willing to relax their princibles a bit when money is involved. That said, I somehow doubt they're actually involved in this. But who knows.

[zoony]

or Kevin mother****ing Trudeau.


That mother****er, I swear. OLS. Always entertaining to talk to someone who is into that guy

[Spaceman Spiff]

The White Van speaker scam happened to me a few years ago. Nice spring day, sitting at an intersection, sunroof open, two dudes in a white van pull up next to me and start asking me if I'm interested in speakers they have in the back.

Uhhh...no.

[Raub]

The Amish have always been willing to relax their princibles a bit when money is involved.

Exactly. They'll use electricity, phones, etc, if it is business-related and can make them money.

[SkinsOrlando]

Exactly. They'll use electricity, phones, etc, if it is business-related and can make them money.


Usually a gas generator and a pay phone, it has something to do with being "yolked" into the mess that is society.

[Bacon]

Could the shots on the main webpage be more obviously staged?

[SC_RedskinsFan]

Could the shots on the main webpage be more obviously staged?

What is up with this one? It looks like it is form the 80's, but the one kid is drinking a Gatorade. :whoknows:


http://www.heatsurge.com/images/large-4.jpg

[Vicious]

I don't know the fuel efficiency on an Amish person but I don't think they burn better than wood or coals. Sounds like a scam to me.

[MonkFan8]

Could the shots on the main webpage be more obviously staged?I think staged is putting it mildly, lol. They all look pretty heavily 'shopped to me.

[Thiebear]

Anything with Billy Mays..

[redskinss]

there was a pyramid scam a close friend of mine tried to get me involved in this summer but i cant remember what the name of the company was.

it was an electronics company that re-sold phone service and you made money of of the services you sell and all of the services the people you get involved in the company sold hence the pyramid.

Of course they swore it wasnt a pyramid scheme but it looked like every other one ive ever seen.

The strangest part was i spent some time thinking about it because i couldnt believe this friend of mine could be swindled, he is a proffesional contractor and makes tons of money and i couldnt figure out how he would be involved with this crap.

[ACW]

Is MagicJack a scam? Seems too good to be true.
:whoknows:

[redskinss]

Is MagicJack a scam? Seems too good to be true.
:whoknows:

this is kinda funny your user name reminded me of the company that my friend tried to get me involved in, it was a telecomunications company called a.c.n.

[Thiebear]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otOyLpOliqc&feature=related

majic jack is pretty good locally.

[ECU-ALUM]

That mother****er, I swear. OLS. Always entertaining to talk to someone who is into that guy

The TV station I used to work at used to run his infomercials constantly...whenever i had to run them I would start them and leave the room and comeback right before they ended. If I stayed in there more than 5 minutes I felt like I would need a shower.

Oh and the colon cleansing infomercials...I would leave during them as well.

[ACW]

The TV station I used to work at used to run his infomercials constantly...whenever i had to run them I would start them and leave the room and comeback right before they ended. If I stayed in there more than 5 minutes I felt like I would need a shower.

Oh and the colon cleansing infomercials...I would leave during them as well.Didn't you say anything to the execs about not wanting to run those asshats' infomercials?

[Johnny Punani]

Anybody seen any evidence that "The Amish", as a group, or even one Amish, are in any way involved at all?


The evidence shows the opposite when you watch the commercial. I'm pretty sure it is against Amish beliefs for their image to be recorded on camera.

[ECU-ALUM]

Didn't you say anything to the execs about not wanting to run those asshats' infomercials?

I would love to have said something...one issue...money! The people behind those infomercials were paying our station a boatload of money to run them...in some cases run them twice an hour. I doubt they would've heard me over the sound of money being deposited into the coffers of the station.

So I did what I had to do...I quit the station.

[ACW]

How much do they pay?

[ECU-ALUM]

How much do they pay?

Not exactly sure...I asked a guy that I worked with about it and he said, "hey they are paying us a **** load of money to do this and the only two things managment cares about is 1) they keep writing out the big checks & 2) the checks keep clearing."

It was pretty much at that point I began to see some writing on the wall.

[ACW]

Ugh. This Klee Irwin *******'s Dual-Action Cleanse infomercial is airing, according to Comcast online programming guide, 25 times in the next week or 2 :doh:

[Jumbo]

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

--H.L Mencken

[techboy]

A thread from another board I visit (Fatwallet Finance): Numbers don't lie: Jubilee/ UFF/MMA always comes out behind - Free analysis -United First Financial, Money Merge scam (http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/767134?highlight_key=y&keyword1=united+first)

The funny part about that thread is all the new members that "just happen" to find the site and "want to know more", only to discover that it "really isn't a scam". :rolleyes:

[Switchgear]

Kevin mother****ing TrudeauI had to look this guy up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau), what a scum bag.

A few others:

Kinoki Foot Pads:

Here (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Stossel/story?id=4636224&page=1) is a decent article by John Stossel. He put distilled water on the things and they looked the same way they did after a night on the volunteers feet. What a ripoff.

Internet speedway (now iSpeedway):
There are references to this being a scam all over the internet (I'm probably about 3 years late to this particular party), but since I still hear their commercials running:
'Make tens of thousands of dollars selling things on the Internet that you don't have to see, store, or even pay for'
Here (http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=2811) is a comment I read that explains the scam quite well:

Pay only $9.95 Shipping & Handling Fees to receive the Internet Speedway FREE 30 day introductory offer. Express shipping and handling for the 30-Day Trial is an additional $15. We ship to residents of USA and Canada only. Restrictions to certain states apply.

2. Pay nothing more unless you decide to keep Internet Speedway after 30 days. If within your 30-Day Introductory period you are not completely satisfied, you can request your return authorization number and instructions and owe nothing more.

3. After 30 days you will be billed 5 monthly payments of only $69.99, plus sales tax if applicable.

The introductory offer includes FREE 6-month Web Site Hosting and Warehouse Direct Subscription Service. If you continue the use of the Internet Speedway service after the first 6 months, you will be billed at our exclusive low rate of $19.95/mo. for web site hosting. Additional fees apply for warehouse access. No long term contracts or commitments are required.

The 'free' CD costs $10 to ship, then they hit you up for $350 if you don't cancel. Of course it's pretty much impossible to cancel the service. Then another $20/month to host. What a moneymaking opportunity (for them)!!!

I've read comments from people that bought into it, and when they didn't get any traffic (and therefore no sales) they called the company and were offered a service that would provide them web traffic, for only a few thousand dollars. Disgusting.

[ACW]

Ah yes, Kinoki=:bsflag:
And apparently Trudeau's a memory expert, a natural cures expert, a weight-loss expert, and a debt cures expert :rolleyes:

[TheDoyler23]

I saw a commercial the other day for a towel called the Shamwow. During the presentation, the guy clearly changes out the swatch of carpet on which he dumped cola to a second carpet with one little spot in the center. The testimonials from customers are clearly people at some kind of state fair who got one for free by raving to the camera about how great it is. So cheap and deceptive.

[SkinsOrlando]

http://www.information-entertainment.com/images/don99.jpg

What about good ol Don Lapre?? Kings of making money using these little newspaper ads.

[Jumbo]

I really like this thread. You know who ends up looking like Mr. Credibility as the years have passed? Good ole Ron Popiel lmao.

I hadn't ever seen the "Amish Heater" until a couple weeks aog, but I was thinking I had tuned into some new skit comedy show on cable.

[.Guy.]

Is MagicJack a scam? Seems too good to be true.
:whoknows:
magicjack is the **** (in a good way). Used it in Amsterdam, London and Belgium to call my parents and friends in the states. Perfect voice quality and its super easy to use.

But if your internet goes out so does your phone.

[tizzod]

I saw a commercial the other day for a towel called the Shamwow. During the presentation, the guy clearly changes out the swatch of carpet on which he dumped cola to a second carpet with one little spot in the center. The testimonials from customers are clearly people at some kind of state fair who got one for free by raving to the camera about how great it is. So cheap and deceptive.

Don't mess with Vince.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2711616881_94fc5bc67e.jpg?v=0

[HogNose]

How about that "Obama Victory Plate" infomercial. :doh: I work at night and the ad hawking these plates is constantly coming on.
http://www.victoryplate.com/?directLoad&uid=36ABEAEFA84CC5071FABEFBEC60CD669 (http://www.victoryplate.com/?directLoad&uid=36ABEAEFA84CC5071FABEFBEC60CD669)


"First African-American President Elect Barack Obama's confident smile and kind eyes are an inspiration to us all, so why not commemorate his historic achievement on a "priceless work of art," in the form of a collectible plate? Not just any plate; a fine porcelain Historic Victory Plate featuring our dear leader surrounded by American flags and fireworks, inscribed in 22k gold trim.
Due to the unprecedented demand, there is a strict limit of 2 Victory plates per order."

Then it shows a family gathering around the plate, etc. Who buys these infomercial plates and medallions, etc?

[Toe Jam]

No.. I've got one that really just grinds my gears...

"Try my product".

Sound familiar?

It's the douchebag who came up with those Studio Professor programs for your computer. I HATE him.

[HogNose]

"Try my product".

Sound familiar?




Oh man that's another one that makes me cringe.:shot: He comes across as a snake oil salesman.

[Toe Jam]

PrayerCross.

I just saw this on TV.

It's a cross necklace that's supposed to show the Lord's prayer when you hold it up to the light.

While I'm sure it's a noble idea, the thought of fine jewelry for two easy payments of 20 bucks just doesn't fly with me. Not to mention the dramatic music that played throughout the entire fake-o-mercial.

[Jumbo]

Ronco stuff is usally a rip. My blades wore out the first month of fishing season.

http://www.truveo.com/Bassomatic/id/153195072

[redskinss]

one of the other things i picked up on during the amish heater commercial was that it even had the " coveted " ul listing as if that was something special and not just something that every electrical appliance was required to have.

[ACW]

one of the other things i picked up on during the amish heater commercial was that it even had the " coveted " ul listing as if that was something special and not just something that every electrical appliance was required to have.I don't think the UL is REQUIRED.

BTW, anyone heard of this "John Beck's Free & Clear Real Estate System"? Seems like a scam, and Beck over-emotes when he talks. It's airing 140 times this week (20 times a day on average :doh: ).

[renaissance]

Anybody seen the infomercials for this guy - Dean Graziosi??

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/9/8/16/f_DeanGraziosm_c528712.jpg

I'm pretty sure that he was once a she.

He sells some book of real estate secrets.

[redskinss]

I don't think the UL is REQUIRED.

BTW, anyone heard of this "John Beck's Free & Clear Real Estate System"? Seems like a scam, and Beck over-emotes when he talks. It's airing 140 times this week (20 times a day on average :doh: ).

My bad i thought it was, but its still nothing special if you ask me.

[ACW]

Anybody seen the infomercials for this guy - Dean Graziosi??

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/9/8/16/f_DeanGraziosm_c528712.jpg

I'm pretty sure that he was once a she.

He sells some book of real estate secrets.Ah yes, another one of those fake interviews. Dude has a high voice.


My bad i thought it was, but its still nothing special if you ask me.I could be wrong, but yeah, I think the UL thing just means it works.

[Raub]

I saw a commercial the other day for a towel called the Shamwow. During the presentation, the guy clearly changes out the swatch of carpet on which he dumped cola to a second carpet with one little spot in the center. The testimonials from customers are clearly people at some kind of state fair who got one for free by raving to the camera about how great it is. So cheap and deceptive.


He has a new one, Slap Chop. Very entertaining presentation of a chopper that you can buy pretty much anywhere for about $5.

[Redd]

Ronco stuff is usally a rip. My blades wore out the first month of fishing season.


So the knife set is a scam? Man and I was really thinking about buying the whole set. Guess I wanted to believe because I love his showtime rotisserie cooker.

[ACW]

You mean the SHAMwow is a scam? Who would've guessed? http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/lol.gif

I'd say most if not all of alternative medicine is a scam.

[jbone]

No.. I've got one that really just grinds my gears...

"Try my product".

Sound familiar?

It's the douchebag who came up with those Studio Professor programs for your computer. I HATE him.

lol, I can't stand that guy, he sells sh*t you can easily get for free online or in the user's manual.

[Zguy28]

magicjack is the **** (in a good way). Used it in Amsterdam, London and Belgium to call my parents and friends in the states. Perfect voice quality and its super easy to use.

But if your internet goes out so does your phone.Similar to Skype?

Speaking of internet phone, a friend got involved with a company called Sunrocket and sold their internet phone service to all kinds of people. Then one day it stopped working, company went out of business. Poof!


How about that "Obama Victory Plate" infomercial. :doh: I work at night and the ad hawking these plates is constantly coming on.
http://www.victoryplate.com/?directLoad&uid=36ABEAEFA84CC5071FABEFBEC60CD669 (http://www.victoryplate.com/?directLoad&uid=36ABEAEFA84CC5071FABEFBEC60CD669)


"First African-American President Elect Barack Obama's confident smile and kind eyes are an inspiration to us all, so why not commemorate his historic achievement on a "priceless work of art," in the form of a collectible plate? Not just any plate; a fine porcelain Historic Victory Plate featuring our dear leader surrounded by American flags and fireworks, inscribed in 22k gold trim.
Due to the unprecedented demand, there is a strict limit of 2 Victory plates per order."

Then it shows a family gathering around the plate, etc. Who buys these infomercial plates and medallions, etc?Or the 9/11 commemorative 20 dollar plate that is LIBERIAN legal currency?

What a joke.

[Raub]

Has anyone seen the Brett Favre commemorative dollar coins? I **** you not, I saw them one day. Buy one, get one free for $9.95.

[Corcaigh]

I'd say most if not all of alternative medicine is a scam.

Alternative medicine that works is called ... medicine. :)

[Switchgear]

I've seen a bunch of the Finally Fast commercials recently. Here (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1163105/finallyfastcom_finally_fast_dot_com.html?cat=15) is a good review of their product, basically it's one huge ripoff.

[Yusuf06]

What's wrong with you guys? Have you all lost all faith in the honor of the Amuhrican businessman? I'm sure the Amish heater works. After all, "it's not just a fireplace; it is a fine piece of furniture." So even if the heater function doesn't work, you're still ahead of the game because you've got another "fine piece of furniture."

[China]

What's wrong with you guys? Have you all lost all faith in the honor of the Amuhrican businessman? I'm sure the Amish heater works. After all, "it's not just a fireplace; it is a fine piece of furniture." So even if the heater function doesn't work, you're still ahead of the game because you've got another "fine piece of furniture."

Well, plus it's made of wood so you can burn it and...voila...heat!

[Dictator]

So I live in baltimore. I don't know why, but fake fireplaces are freaking huge here. My wifes grandmother has one. It doesn't even heat anything. Just sits there looking like a fireplace. When I bought my house there was one in my basement. MADE OF ****ING CEMENT. I took a sledgehammer to it the day we moved in. Put the rubble in the u haul. Dumped it in the dumpster at the apartment complex I was moving out of. Fake fireplaces are the stupid things ever invented. You want fire and heat? Get a goddamn pellet stove.

[Kosher Ham]

But you get the Amish craftmenship. That has to count for something.

[NawtyMagazine]

My wife and I saw an ad (made to look like a regular newspaper article) for a "Miracle" Amish heater this morning. After a bit of digging around (there are some good sources here (http://todstrohblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/miracle.html) and here (http://blogs.chron.com/consumerwatch/2008/01/amish_heater_not_a_hot_item.html), the comments are great, especially the "plant" comments) it was readily apparent that these fine folks are selling two 1500W space heaters (usually priced around $20) and a fake fireplace front for $300 to $500.

One comment that really made me laugh


The Heat Surge site (http://www.heatsurge.com/index.cfm?) is hilarious. I'm sure they'll change it soon, but right now the prices are $587.00 (crossed out), with a much larger, red text $587.00 next to it, for the Deluxe Amish Cherry Fireplace. And then there's the "Prices valid for" counter, apparently I can only get this special deal for another 46 hours. I'd better act quickly.

The print ads are pretty funny too, the first link I put in has some examples.

.No Dude, we bought one of these fire places, its legit. weve had it over 2 months, we only paid 250, bought it on the website. its great!!!

[Yusuf06]

No Dude, we bought one of these fire places, its legit. weve had it over 2 months, we only paid 250, bought it on the website. its great!!!
Still waiting for the punchline....

[NawtyMagazine]

Still waiting for the punchline....Im dead serious. maybe do research and not assume its a scam, i wouldnt have ordered it untill i saw one at my buddies house.

[Switchgear]

Im dead serious. maybe do research and not assume its a scam, i wouldnt have ordered it untill i saw one at my buddies house.

You paid $250. Two 1500 Watt space heaters (what this product offers, other than the fake fireplace front) can be bought for under $50 total. Do you think the fake fireplace is worth the extra $200?

[NawtyMagazine]

You paid $250. Two 1500 Watt space heaters (what this product offers, other than the fake fireplace front) can be bought for under $50 total. Do you think the fake fireplace is worth the extra $200? no, the flame is digital, not just a picture, see one in real life then bash it if you want, i can name 1000 other things iv never seen just like you are doing that could be scams.... from one member to another i think you would really like it. like i said i wouldnt have bought one but i saw one at my buddies house and i thought it was cool to have in a room that doesnt have a fireplace.

[USS Redskins]

The white van thing actually happened to me just before x-mas... I read about it a few years ago... this (seriously) white van pulled up next to me at a gas station and the guy leaned out and asked if I was interested in gettting some high quality speakers for nothing. I knew right away and said no thanks - the guy at the next pump said he wanted to look at them and the van pulled up to a parking spot.. I told the guy it was probably a scam and be careful... he went over and looked at the stuff and came back a minute later as I was about to leave and said that, the guy was full of crap - I told him about the white van scam, how he probably was told that he had to get rid of the speakers before he goes back to the warehouse and the guy said that was it almost word for word.
some guys have huge pairs on them

[Yusuf06]

no, the flame is digital, not just a picture, see one in real life then bash it if you want, i can name 1000 other things iv never seen just like you are doing that could be scams.... from one member to another i think you would really like it. like i said i wouldnt have bought one but i saw one at my buddies house and i thought it was cool to have in a room that doesnt have a fireplace.
Wow. Really? Really? Wow.

Did you ever think of combining a space heater with this (http://www.plasmawindow.com/fireplacedvd.html) and keeping the extra ~$180-$200?

But hey, whatever turns your crank. If you enjoy it, that's all that matters. Seriously.

[Maximus71]

no, the flame is digital, not just a picture, see one in real life then bash it if you want, i can name 1000 other things iv never seen just like you are doing that could be scams.... from one member to another i think you would really like it. like i said i wouldnt have bought one but i saw one at my buddies house and i thought it was cool to have in a room that doesnt have a fireplace.

Are you the Amish guy in the background in the commercial? :D To be honest that things looks like a piece of crap, and just because you like crap dont make us like crap ;)

[Maximus71]

Wow. Really? Really? Wow.

Did you ever think of combining a space heater with this (http://www.plasmawindow.com/fireplacedvd.html) and keeping the extra ~$180-$200?

But hey, whatever turns your crank. If you enjoy it, that's all that matters. Seriously.

Your name sounds Amish, hey Yusuf go make me a crapy fire place.

[NawtyMagazine]

Are you the Amish guy in the background in the commercial? :D To be honest that things looks like a piece of crap, and just because you like crap dont make us like crap ;) no im not amish but your mom likes my beard and its not crap listen bro if you dont want to buy it thats up to you, all im saying that its not a scam. maybe the others are but this isnt.

[NawtyMagazine]

your name sounds amish, hey yusuf go make me a crapy fire place. hahaha

[Maximus71]

no im not amish but your mom likes my beard and its not crap listen bro if you dont want to buy it thats up to you, all im saying that its not a scam. maybe the others are but this isnt.


His name is nawtymagazine and he endorses the crappy heater :laugh:

[Yusuf06]

Your name sounds Amish, hey Yusuf go make me a crapy fire place.
Found me out thou didest. I regreteth that I cannot comply with thy request as I cannot useth a computer or the interwebz to readeth thy post. Surely thou knowest that the computers and the interwebz be newfangled tools of ye olde debil!!

[Maximus71]

Found me out thou didest. I regreteth that I cannot comply with thy request as I cannot useth a computer or the interwebz to readeth thy post. Surely thou knowest that the computers and the interwebz be newfangled tools of ye olde debil!!

Hey Yusuf, lets go bowling and dont worry about my hook.

[Capt Rich Fla]

The evidence shows the opposite when you watch the commercial. I'm pretty sure it is against Amish beliefs for their image to be recorded on camera.

Oh yeah? What about Kingpin?;)

[Switchgear]

no, the flame is digital, not just a picture, see one in real life then bash it if you want, i can name 1000 other things iv never seen just like you are doing that could be scams.... from one member to another i think you would really like it. like i said i wouldnt have bought one but i saw one at my buddies house and i thought it was cool to have in a room that doesnt have a fireplace.

You're satisfied with your purchase? I'm glad for you. But this company doesn't advertise the heater as "a cool digital flame" that otherwise performs the same as any other heater. They are pushing it as some sort of heating miracle that will lower your bills, and that you have to act fast to get one due to high demand. Both of those things are false. They do have a page on their site that explains that you only save money by turning down the heat in the rest of your house, but it isn't part of their print ads, which is probably what drums up the majority of their business.

By the way, I'm quite happy to see that a google search of "miracle amish heater" has this thread as the 6th result, and the word scam is prominently displayed. I hope it educates people on exactly what they will get for their money.

I can assure you that I would not like this product, because all I would be able to think about is the other things I could have done with that $200 or more that I would have saved by buying a regular 1500W space heater. Here (http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=42536-87334-HFG15A&lpage=none) is a 1500W heater you can buy at Lowe's for $13 that will do exactly the same thing as this "miracle". Keep in mind that a retail store generally marks things up 50 to 60 percent, so even $13 is overpriced.

If you're cool with paying 20 times too much for a heater because it has some flair, this is the product for you. Otherwise you should probably pass.

[NawtyMagazine]

You're satisfied with your purchase? I'm glad for you. But this company doesn't advertise the heater as "a cool digital flame" that otherwise performs the same as any other heater. They are pushing it as some sort of heating miracle that will lower your bills, and that you have to act fast to get one due to high demand. Both of those things are false. They do have a page on their site that explains that you only save money by turning down the heat in the rest of your house, but it isn't part of their print ads, which is probably what drums up the majority of their business.

By the way, I'm quite happy to see that a google search of "miracle amish heater" has this thread as the 6th result, and the word scam is prominently displayed. I hope it educates people on exactly what they will get for their money.

I can assure you that I would not like this product, because all I would be able to think about is the other things I could have done with that $200 or more that I would have saved by buying a regular 1500W space heater. Here (http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=42536-87334-HFG15A&lpage=none) is a 1500W heater you can buy at Lowe's for $13 that will do exactly the same thing as this "miracle". Keep in mind that a retail store generally marks things up 50 to 60 percent, so even $13 is overpriced.

If you're cool with paying 20 times too much for a heater because it has some flair, this is the product for you. Otherwise you should probably pass. i can understand where your coming from...but yes i am satisfied with my miracle heated which is totally awesome

[jnhay]

It's a pretty nice scam considering there seems to be a crapload of people buying the mantles. I see many of them at UPS every day.

[NawtyMagazine]

It's a pretty nice scam considering there seems to be a crapload of people buying the mantles. I see many of them at UPS every day. lol as ben stiller says in happy gilmore "this is handmade quality S*** were talking here" lol

[Darth Tater]

Well, it actually exists to support scams, but the federal reserve is a huge one. Hoe about the biggest Ponzi scheme? You know, that thing called social security?

[Switchgear]

i can understand where your coming from...but yes i am satisfied with my miracle heated which is totally awesome

That's an interesting response. You understand that this company ripped you off and is perpetrating this scam on other people, specifically people that are in financial trouble, and yet you're satisfied. Curious.

[NawtyMagazine]

That's an interesting response. You understand that this company ripped you off and is perpetrating this scam on other people, specifically people that are in financial trouble, and yet you're satisfied. Curious. this heater is so great i feel like i ripped them off:cheers::cheers::cheers: