Cowher not coaching in 2009 perhaps waiting for skins job??!!

[jbooma]

Bill Cowher will not be coaching in 2009 he just announced on CBS. To me this means he is waiting for either the Carolina or Washington jobs, which are both close to his new home and close enough to NY to see his girls. If Zorn struggles again next year I think Danny makes a huge offer to Bill and gives him what he wants.

The fact teams like Atlanta and Bmore can make the playoffs with a rookie QB and new HC to me shows just how bad the skins are. These teams show that you do not need so many years with the same system, what you need is a strong FO (which we do not have) and the right Coach and QB. If Jason and Zorn struggle next year then get ready to see a huge change.

[STBonecrusher21]

Or he could just not want to coach ever again.....

Who knows....

[HigSkin]

I just posted over in Around the NFL that the Football America's guys were discussing the talent pool of coaches for 2010. There could potentially be Shanahan, Cowher, Holmgren and Parcells. Peter King said to look for 2 of these guys to be gone. Shanahan to Dallas and Cowher to Washington. Take it for what it's worth. I swear that Snyder and Cowher have some type of silent agreement for when Cowher is ready to return.

[mistertim]

Maybe this will at least stop so many from starting threads about "Cowher in 09?" and we can keep a little bit of our sanity.

[RWJ]

If Zorn can't win in 2009, then Cowher in 2010 would be the best thing that could happen to this team.

[TheLongshot]

If he wanted the Skins job, why didn't he take it last year? :whoknows:

Sorry Cowher fans, but he's not coming here.

[SpringfieldSkins]

Or he could just not want to coach ever again......


What he said...

[RWJ]

If he wanted the Skins job, why didn't he take it last year? :whoknows:

Sorry Cowher fans, but he's not coming here.


He didn't want to come back into coaching in 2008. He wanted to spend time with his family and the media has reported this time and time again. In 2010 he might very well be ready and if he is I think Snyder will bring him in, IF Zorn doesn't produce.

[Metskins]

Or he could just not want to coach ever again.....

Who knows....

Have you ever heard him say that? I don't think so.

He's probably just enjoying his time off. With the success that the Steelers have enjoyed since his departure, I have to wonder how much of it was really his doing.

[zskins]

This is actually old news. He had already said that last year.

[Spear]

What would be the point in bringing him here, paying him a King's ransom, and giving him complete autonomy? It would be exactly like bringing back Gibbs, except this time, the coach isn't as accomplished and has no loyalty to the Redskins.

[ciresolstice]

Zorn in 2009 equal more mediocrity/failure. Oh well. Sure I hope he can improve and actually has something but I don't think so.

[Voice_of_Reason]

If the 'Skins fire Zorn/Cerratto and give all control to Cowher, that would be a mistake. They need to bring in a real GM. And the GM needs to find the coach he wants. Coaches should not be GMs. The absolute only one who's ever had any success with it has been Parcells. Everybody else has basically sucked at one of the two roles.

[Larry Brown #43]

Bill Cowher will not be coaching in 2009 he just announced on CBS. To me this means he is waiting for either the Carolina or Washington jobs, which are both close to his new home and close enough to NY to see his girls. If Zorn struggles again next year I think Danny makes a huge offer to Bill and gives him what he wants.


I don't think the Carolina job will be available. Fox is a great coach. Heck, if for some bizarre reason Fox is let go by Carolina, I'd love to have him coaching the Skins. But I don't think Fox is going anywhere.

[Rdskns2000]

Cowher's daughter is still in high school; when she is done Cowher will be free.

For Cowher or any other coach looking for a job in 2010; there won't be many jobs.


Here's a look at the 2010 coaching situation:

*Besides possible 2010 openings

Giants- Coughlin is secure.
*Eagles- Reid saved his ass this season but maybe they make a change in 2010?
*Cowboys- If the Boys don't fire Wade this offseason, he probably won't last beyond 2009.
*Redskins- No playoffs and Zorn is gone.

Lions- Will have a new coach in 2009
*Bears- Lovie Smith could feel some heat if the Bears don't make the playoffs.
Vikings- Making the playoffs this season, saved Childers ass.
*Packers- If they don't make the playoffs, maybe a change here?

Bucs- Gruden makes the playoffs every other year, so he should be safe.
Panthers- Fox is safe.
Falcons- Coach of the Year Smith, like I said.
*Saints- Peyton may feel a little heat in 2009.

49ers- Mike Singletary is the man.
Cards- Wisenhutt is the man.
Seahawks- Jim Mora takes over this year.
Rams- Will have a new coach in 2009.

Raiders- Will have a new coach in 2009.
Broncos- Will have a new coach in 2009.
Chiefs- Will have a new coach in 2009.
Chargers- Norv probably saved his ass for 2 years.

Titans- Fisher is safe.
Colts- Dungy's replacement is already on staff, whenever Tony retires.
*Texans- It's time for Texans to make playoffs, Kubiak will feel the heat.
*Jags- No playoffs again and Jack Del Rio is gone this time.

Bengals- With Mike Brown, Lewis is probably safe if he fails again.
Ravens- Harbaugh doing good in 2009.
Steelers- Tomlin doing good.
Browns- Will have a new coach in 2009.

Pats- Bill is safe.
*Bills- Jauron could be gone if he fails again in 2009.
Jets- Will have a new coach in 2009.
Dolphins- With a new owner, will Sparano be safe?

I don't think there will be many openings next year; so they may not be enough jobs for the big 4: Bill Cowher, Bill Parcells, Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren. Should Dan have an opening in 2010, he will have some options as far as big names being available.

[TheLongshot]

I don't think there will be many openings next year; so they may not be enough jobs for the big 4: Bill Cowher, Bill Parcells, Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren. Should Dan have an opening in 2010, he will have some options as far as big names being available.

It is hard to say. A lot can change in a year.

Personally, tho, if Snyder intended to go after Cowher, it wouldn't have made sense to hire Zorn. To me, if you were waiting for the Anointed One, you would have hired a caretaker like Williams or Fassel.

I've been on record for not wanting Cowher, mainly because I question the motivation of a head coach who has already been to the mountain with another team. How patient are they going to be? Is the desire going to be there?

Also, I don't think it will happen because of what Cowher is going to require from the organization. I doubt that Snyder is going to go for any coach who wants to bring in their own personnel staff.

[HigSkin]

I hear what people are saying regarding a coach wanting complete control but how hard would it be to eliminate 1 position (Vinny) versus a GM and VP? It seems like the only success we had was when a "football" person making the decisions, i.e. Schottenheimer and Gibbs. I'm not advocating any change unless we completely regress but I think everyone can understand why rumors would be circulating.

:2cents:

[Thirtyfive2seven]

If the 'Skins fire Zorn/Cerratto and give all control to Cowher, that would be a mistake. They need to bring in a real GM. And the GM needs to find the coach he wants. Coaches should not be GMs. The absolute only one who's ever had any success with it has been Parcells. Everybody else has basically sucked at one of the two roles.

This post really is the voice of reason. The skins NEED a competent GM. Not a coach that has double duties as a GM. Get someone good and lets get this thing rebuilt the RIGHT way.

And one more thing: please fire Vinny either way, That part is NOT a huge mistake :)

[Fred Jones]

A lot of speculation on what is going to happen. I just get the impression that Zorn and Vinny only have one at most two more years to shine. I expected both to be given at least two years to demonstrate they can succeed.

I don't think the owner will have a problem giving control over to Cowher. I just wonder how good he would be as a GM. I would rather have a Pioli in the FO with a head coach.

That Cowher is waiting until 2010 is not a surprise. I also think he is going to want the right situation to come back to coaching. I just don't think he will take just any job. An owner is going to have to give him somewhat what he wants.

[TheLongshot]

I hear what people are saying regarding wanting complete control but how hard would it be to eliminate 1 position (Vinny) versus a GM and VP? It seems like the only success we had was when a "football" person making the decisions, i.e. Schottenheimer and Gibbs. I'm not advocating any change unless we completely regress but I think you can understand why rumors would be circulating.

:2cents:

Marty was considered a success? There were many questionable FO decisions when he was in charge.

Anyways, whether you like it or not, Vinny is a football person, one with many years of experience. Whether or not he's GOOD at his job is a question, but don't argue that he's not a football person.

[TK]

http://www.bachbloesemadvies.be/cms/cms/grafisch/tekst/152_282_hyperventilation.jpg

[Bubble Screen]

Bill Cowher will not be coaching in 2009 he just announced on CBS. To me this means he is waiting for either the Carolina or Washington jobs, which are both close to his new home and close enough to NY to see his girls. If Zorn struggles again next year I think Danny makes a huge offer to Bill and gives him what he wants.

The fact teams like Atlanta and Bmore can make the playoffs with a rookie QB and new HC to me shows just how bad the skins are. These teams show that you do not need so many years with the same system, what you need is a strong FO (which we do not have) and the right Coach and QB. If Jason and Zorn struggle next year then get ready to see a huge change.

LOL What makes you think the CAROLINA job will be available next year? Further, im tired of people using Baltimore and Atlanta and Miami has barometers. You do realize that stuff NEVER happens, right? Rookie coaches usually SUCK. So do rookie qbs. This year is an anonamly (sp) more than anything else. I'm not arguing that our front office stinks, though. I'm just saying don't think its that easy to just get a coach and/or rookie qb and expect it to happen, again.

[HigSkin]

Marty was considered a success? There were many questionable FO decisions when he was in charge.

Anyways, whether you like it or not, Vinny is a football person, one with many years of experience. Whether or not he's GOOD at his job is a question, but don't argue that he's not a football person.

Probably should have clarified "football" person as one that has had success coaching or managing a team. The problem I have with Vinny is that he fits neither a coach or GM solution.

BTW-Schott did a lot of really good things for this team and had a history of building good teams. I respectfully disagree on that point.

[Hooper]

Marty was considered a success? There were many questionable FO decisions when he was in charge.

There were. But not as bad as originally thought. Heck, even Rod Gardner looks like an okay pick considering we have yet to really replace him. Sad but true. Maybe Kelly or Thomas will catch 60 balls one year. I hope so.

Marty also got us out of cap hell in one year.

Funny how tough you are on Marty's one year of personnel decisions compared to how easy you are on Cerrato and his countless mistakes over the years.

[TheLongshot]

Probably should have clarified "football" person as one that has had success coaching or managing a team. The problem I have with Vinny is that he fits neither a coach or GM solution.

BTW-Schott did a lot of really good things for this team and had a history of building good teams. I respectfully disagree on that point.

While Marty has an excellent history as a head coach, he has no track record for building teams. So, by the definition you give, Marty doesn't meet the requirement. Then again, neither does Gibbs.

This is really the first year a personnel guy is actually running personnel.


There were. But not as bad as originally thought. Heck, even Rod Gardner looks like an okay pick considering we have yet to really replace him. Sad but true. Maybe Kelly or Thomas will catch 60 balls one year. I hope so.

Marty also got us out of cap hell in one year.

Funny how tough you are on Marty's one year of personnel decisions compared to how easy you are on Cerrato and his countless mistakes over the years.

Man, we have a low threshold on what we call "success". Sure, he got us out of "cap hell" (whatever that is). Not tough to do if you gut the team. I wasn't happy that he had no backup plan if Jeff George didn't succeed. I didn't like that on a team that didn't have many offensive weapons that he cut Larry Centers. Fred Smoot is the only player from that draft that found success as a starter in the league. I'm not going to count 50/50 because his career was pretty much over after he left here.

The question with Cerrato is, how many of the mistakes are his, when he's not the one with final say about who we get? How much responsibility does he hold for those? With him in charge, right now he gets an incomplete, since most of his moves this year involve the draft and we don't know how most of those picks will turn out. He gets a negative for Taylor, a neutral rating for James (no matter how it worked out, it was a good risk), a positive rating for Hall, and a positive rating for rookie FAs.

[cmman848]

I really think Zorn needs three years (though i doubt snyder will give it to him). That being said, i feel if we are 6-10 or worse, he probably should go after two. I'd rather go after Shanahan than Cowher personaly--- although rummors from ESPN have him possibly landing in dallas by 2010 if not this offseason.:(

[cmman848]

I forgot to mention --- i remember reading like zorn worked with hassleback for like 3-4 years before he had hassleback where he wanted him so give JC a decent O-line/Pass protection and lets see how he does. (HINT TO VINNY--- DRAFT LINEMEN!!!!!!!!!!!)

[#98QBKiller]

I just posted over in Around the NFL that the Football America's guys were discussing the talent pool of coaches for 2010. There could potentially be Shanahan, Cowher, Holmgren and Parcells. Peter King said to look for 2 of these guys to be gone. Shanahan to Dallas and Cowher to Washington. Take it for what it's worth. I swear that Snyder and Cowher have some type of silent agreement for when Cowher is ready to return.


If all four of those were available and Zorn just totally crumbles next season, who do you think would be best for this team?

I like Cowher but if we already have a lot of our personnel in place, especially offensively, it seems like maybe Shanahan or Holmgren would be best suited to clean up whatever hypothetical mess Zorn may leave behind.

[kevin11]

Have you ever heard him say that? I don't think so.

He's probably just enjoying his time off. With the success that the Steelers have enjoyed since his departure, I have to wonder how much of it was really his doing.
Cowher isn't a good coach. He loses way too many playoffs game. He went 15-1 and lost their first playoff game. The year before that, I think they lost in the playoffs also. We all know how good Cowher's team were, but why did he only win 1 Superbowl in 15 years.

I like his leadership, but not his coaching. Redskins fans don't have the dedication of a Steeler fan (i hate the steelers, but their fans are very patient). Cowher goes 7-9 to 8-8, we want him gone. In Pitt, he goes 5-11, he stayed for 14 more years.

[Streater101]

You Cowher bandwagon guys are a trip. Who's to say our team will be better with him at the helm vs. Zorn? Pitt is a better team than us because they draft better. Simple as that. Thats why they are in the playoffs with a Bye right now, and we're on extremeskins salivating over their leftovers.

[Streater101]

Cowher isn't a good coach. He loses way too many playoffs game. He went 15-1 and lost their first playoff game. The year before that, I think they lost in the playoffs also. We all know how good Cowher's team were, but why did he only win 1 Superbowl in 15 years.

I like his leadership, but not his coaching. Redskins fans don't have the dedication of a Steeler fan (i hate the steelers, but their fans are very patient). Cowher goes 7-9 to 8-8, we want him gone. In Pitt, he goes 5-11, he stayed for 14 more years.
LOL, sad but true, if I had of saw this post before I posted I would most definitely QFTFT.

[Hooper]

Man, we have a low threshold on what we call "success". Sure, he got us out of "cap hell" (whatever that is). Not tough to do if you gut the team. I wasn't happy that he had no backup plan if Jeff George didn't succeed. I didn't like that on a team that didn't have many offensive weapons that he cut Larry Centers. Fred Smoot is the only player from that draft that found success as a starter in the league. I'm not going to count 50/50 because his career was pretty much over after he left here.

The question with Cerrato is, how many of the mistakes are his, when he's not the one with final say about who we get? How much responsibility does he hold for those? With him in charge, right now he gets an incomplete, since most of his moves this year involve the draft and we don't know how most of those picks will turn out. He gets a negative for Taylor, a neutral rating for James (no matter how it worked out, it was a good risk), a positive rating for Hall, and a positive rating for rookie FAs.

Again, your harsh criticism of Marty's personnel moves in his one year here, compared to the your steady line of excuses for Cerrato over the years is baffling.

Cutting Larry Centers or making a mistake on Jeff George is nothing compared to Vinny's greatest hits. No matter how much power Vinny has or doesn't have, one can be damn sure Marty never would have traded two high picks for Brandon Lloyd.

[Clarkin09]

Maybe this will at least stop so many from starting threads about "Cowher in 09?" and we can keep a little bit of our sanity.

Nope, there will be atleast 52 more. Like those Colt or Jason threads.

Heck I might go start one of each just to feel cool like everyone else :silly:

[jbooma]

If the 'Skins fire Zorn/Cerratto and give all control to Cowher, that would be a mistake. They need to bring in a real GM. And the GM needs to find the coach he wants. Coaches should not be GMs. The absolute only one who's ever had any success with it has been Parcells. Everybody else has basically sucked at one of the two roles.

Cowher does not want to the GM but he does want to bring in his own personnel guy. Don't believe the hype :)

[MSB 21]

Bill Cowher will not be coaching in 2009 he just announced on CBS. To me this means he is waiting for either the Carolina or Washington jobs, which are both close to his new home and close enough to NY to see his girls. If Zorn struggles again next year I think Danny makes a huge offer to Bill and gives him what he wants.

The fact teams like Atlanta and Bmore can make the playoffs with a rookie QB and new HC to me shows just how bad the skins are. These teams show that you do not need so many years with the same system, what you need is a strong FO (which we do not have) and the right Coach and QB. If Jason and Zorn struggle next year then get ready to see a huge change.

Cowher would only come to this team if he had full reins as a Head Coach.

I don't think he would comply with what Our team calls an FO!


Danny makes a huge offer to Bill and gives him what he wants.

That would be the deal maker.

[SAli457180]

Cowher's daughter is still in high school; when she is done Cowher will be free.

For Cowher or any other coach looking for a job in 2010; there won't be many jobs.


Here's a look at the 2010 coaching situation:

*Besides possible 2010 openings

Giants- Coughlin is secure.
*Eagles- Reid saved his ass this season but maybe they make a change in 2010?
*Cowboys- If the Boys don't fire Wade this offseason, he probably won't last beyond 2009.
*Redskins- No playoffs and Zorn is gone.

Lions- Will have a new coach in 2009
*Bears- Lovie Smith could feel some heat if the Bears don't make the playoffs.
Vikings- Making the playoffs this season, saved Childers ass.
*Packers- If they don't make the playoffs, maybe a change here?

Bucs- Gruden makes the playoffs every other year, so he should be safe.
Panthers- Fox is safe.
Falcons- Coach of the Year Smith, like I said.
*Saints- Peyton may feel a little heat in 2009.

49ers- Mike Singletary is the man.
Cards- Wisenhutt is the man.
Seahawks- Jim Mora takes over this year.
Rams- Will have a new coach in 2009.

Raiders- Will have a new coach in 2009.
Broncos- Will have a new coach in 2009.
Chiefs- Will have a new coach in 2009.
Chargers- Norv probably saved his ass for 2 years.

Titans- Fisher is safe.
Colts- Dungy's replacement is already on staff, whenever Tony retires.
*Texans- It's time for Texans to make playoffs, Kubiak will feel the heat.
*Jags- No playoffs again and Jack Del Rio is gone this time.

Bengals- With Mike Brown, Lewis is probably safe if he fails again.
Ravens- Harbaugh doing good in 2009.
Steelers- Tomlin doing good.
Browns- Will have a new coach in 2009.

Pats- Bill is safe.
*Bills- Jauron could be gone if he fails again in 2009.
Jets- Will have a new coach in 2009.
Dolphins- With a new owner, will Sparano be safe?

I don't think there will be many openings next year; so they may not be enough jobs for the big 4: Bill Cowher, Bill Parcells, Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren. Should Dan have an opening in 2010, he will have some options as far as big names being available.

Based on this, Cowher, Shanahan, and Holmgren could their pick of the litter. I don't think Parcells comes back to coaching and stays in a front office capacity. If Zorn is gone after next year, one thing those three are definitely going to look at is organizational structure and given this team's structure, I don't think this is a very attractive situation at all.

[terpskins10]

Why the heck would anyone "wait" to coach for Snyder?

I think our fans are getting a little crazy. No one wants the job because it just isn't that attractive. There's a lack of long-term talent to build on, a financial mess with regard to player salaries, and a meddling owner.

[Redskinizzle]

Why the heck would anyone "wait" to coach for Snyder?

I think our fans are getting a little crazy. No one wants the job because it just isn't that attractive. There's a lack of long-term talent to build on, a financial mess with regard to player salaries, and a meddling owner.

ding ding ding

we have a winner

[STBonecrusher21]

Why the heck would anyone "wait" to coach for Snyder?

I think our fans are getting a little crazy. No one wants the job because it just isn't that attractive. There's a lack of long-term talent to build on, a financial mess with regard to player salaries, and a meddling owner.

I couldn't have said it any better myself.
:cheers:

Oh wait, I mean.

:(

[whatmeworry]

I don't think there's a coach living or deceased (Vince, you included) could succeed with our FO situation. Gibbs was a great coach but he wasn't and isn't a personnel guy. He had a real football guy (Beathard) picking his players. Those were the good old days when we had an owner who had the good sense to just sign the checks, sit in his luxury box and let football people run his team. Although I like Cowher he doesn't send a tingle up my leg like a lot of you. A competent GM is the most important part of any successful team long term.

[Skinsinparadise]

Why the heck would anyone "wait" to coach for Snyder?

I think our fans are getting a little crazy. No one wants the job because it just isn't that attractive. There's a lack of long-term talent to build on, a financial mess with regard to player salaries, and a meddling owner.


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

For all his faults, Snyder has shown he can outbid anybody if he's into it. It's part of the team's problems, clearly. But since when in sports, can't a team like the Yankees or in football the Redskins BUY some love.

We are all sports nerds here I'd bet, and you see it all the time, Fa's saying they want to stay in place, or don't want to play in this town, etc. But get thrown a bunch of cash and change their mind.

Heck Marty as an announcer said he'd never coach for Snyder. Well, something changed his mind!

As for Cowher my hunch is he's not sitting out for the Redskins job but it doesn't sound far fetched to me that he wouldn't mind coaching the team which is closest to his house (besides the Panthers), for a nice 12 million a year.

And as for Snyder, I am far from a fan, but I assume he courts him the same way as Gibbs, Team President, and the GM drill works by committee with Cowher having a say.

[veteranskinsfan]

Cowher will have his pick of jobs when he decides to return to the NFL. I don't think he is monitoring how the Skins are doing now. I think he will go to a team that has a good quarterback and has a chance of doing well in the playoffs. Its nice to dream but he knows the situation in D.C. and I would be surprised if he ended up here next year.

[GSF]

http://www.bachbloesemadvies.be/cms/cms/grafisch/tekst/152_282_hyperventilation.jpg

lol...pass that bag around the stadium would ya...

[RedSunday]

I just posted over in Around the NFL that the Football America's guys were discussing the talent pool of coaches for 2010. There could potentially be Shanahan, Cowher, Holmgren and Parcells. Peter King said to look for 2 of these guys to be gone. Shanahan to Dallas and Cowher to Washington. Take it for what it's worth. I swear that Snyder and Cowher have some type of silent agreement for when Cowher is ready to return.



..............it's the Giants in "2010"

[HogNose]

Cowher is becoming the Brett Favre of coaching. Will he, won't he ..arghhh.


Anyway I still believe Cowher was set to head to the Panthers in '09 and then just like that John Fox derailed those plans with a good season and a division win.

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Bill Cowher will not be coaching in 2009 he just announced on CBS. To me this means he is waiting for either the Carolina or Washington jobs, which are both close to his new home and close enough to NY to see his girls. If Zorn struggles again next year I think Danny makes a huge offer to Bill and gives him what he wants.

The fact teams like Atlanta and Bmore can make the playoffs with a rookie QB and new HC to me shows just how bad the skins are. These teams show that you do not need so many years with the same system, what you need is a strong FO (which we do not have) and the right Coach and QB. If Jason and Zorn struggle next year then get ready to see a huge change.

I also heard Jake Plummer is not returning this season either, this could only mean he has a back door agreement with Danny after Campbell falls flat on his face next year to assume the QB position for us in 2010? :whoknows::jerk:

[stoshuaj]

**edit** n/m

[1972FAN]

If Zorn can't win in 2009, then Cowher in 2010 would be the best thing that could happen to this team.

I have no evidence to what you say but some how I believe that too. That he's waiting to see what pans out locally, in Carolina or Washington. Since he lives close by.

[Oldfan]

It amazes me how fans drool over big name players and big name coaches when we have had no success with either in the past.

What were the factors that made them sucessful with other teams? Will history repeat? Questions like these need to be asked.

Cowher: No

Shanahan: No

Holmgren: No

Pioli: Maybe

[LandoverLex]

Why would Cowher want to come to DC. With the front office structure and Danny's if it aint broke why fix it policy. He would just ruin his legacy.

[Pounds]

Bill Cowher will not be coaching in 2009 he just announced on CBS. To me this means he is waiting for either the Carolina or Washington jobs, which are both close to his new home and close enough to NY to see his girls. If Zorn struggles again next year I think Danny makes a huge offer to Bill and gives him what he wants.

I just don't see this happening. Cowher is seemingly looking for that perfect situation and the 'Skins job ain't it; for him at least. He'll want to bring in his own personnel people and have total control, which he won't get in Ashburn. I'm sure he remembers how that worked with Marty and won't be inclined to relive it in Marty's stead.

Plus, I caution anybody hot after Cowher. He's already won his ring and subsequent place in history and will only come out of retirement for gobs of cash and the perfect scenario. Does that sound like a coach that will be burnin' the midnight oil, while putting in that weekly game plan?

[Skinsinparadise]

It amazes me how fans drool over big name players and big name coaches when we have had no success with either in the past.

What were the factors that made them sucessful with other teams? Will history repeat? Questions like these need to be asked.

Cowher: No

Shanahan: No

Holmgren: No

Pioli: Maybe

Olfan:

I know from other posts how you think Zorn is a great HC for this team -- I think you are trying here again to make the point that Zorn is the right guy but I don't think the facts are on your side on this thread. You seem to be implying, we are going through one big name HC after another and its not working?

After Gibbs we had:
Pettibon -- never been an NFL head coach
Norv Turner -- never been an NFL head coach
replaced with Robiskie -- never been a head coach
Then comes Marty -- first guy with prior head coaching experience and he arguably did better than the prior coaches
Then Spurrier -- never been an NFL head coach
Then back to Gibbs
Now back to Zorn who has never been a head coach.

So post Gibbs 1 we have 5 coaches who never were a head coach in the NFL and 2 who have.

Going through the list are the Skins really just going for the big name guys or HC has beens? The two times we did go for the head coach has beens were arguably the Skins best years post Gibbs 1. The only outlier here I can think of is maybe you can argue Spurrier was a big name even though he didn't coach in the NFL.

You can easily argue that the Skins did better with proven commodities than taking chances on new ones. Maybe Zorn changes that but so far in my opinion he is off to a bad start.

I know you like Zorn because you feel he improved Campbell's mechanics and you more or less said that those that don't see Zorn's magic simply don't get the beauty of a ball control driven offense. Well, I do understand ball control, heck that's Marty ball and heck after a bad start, Marty's Redskins got on a roll late in the season as opposed to faltered.

[stoshuaj]

hey, hey...maybe,maybe, MAYBE Bill Parcells didn't walk from the Dolphins this year because he's waiting to come to the Skins............huh? whadya think?

I'm sure everybody and anybody that is not taking a job this year is just waitng to come to the Skins.......

:rolleyes: