John Riggins talking about skins on The Sirius Blitz

[gobigred]

I was listening to the Blitz this morning and a guy from SC asked John Riggns how the redskins could be fixed and man he really dropped some bombs. Here are some key points.

- There needs to be a Major makeover of management and ownership

- Dl and Ol needs to be upgraded. (he said that Jansen, and Thomas
getting too old. Kendall still looks pretty good as well as, Rabach and he
does not know what to say about Samuels but even had questions about
him)

-No playmakers on offense needs a guy to bring electricity to the team. (No
Steve Smith, Deangelo Williams on the team) sounded like a jab at Moss and Portis to me

- Feels Santana Moss is part of the problem in the locker room

- Not sure Zorn got what it takes to lead feels that Zorn should have
benched Moss after the the penalty in the Cincinnati game. He said
Moss cost team the playoffs.

-If not for London Fletcher team would have been 4-12

- Feels until locker room culture changes team will continue to loose.

I just found his comments interesting and followed a lot of the comments on this blog. I am so tired of loosing I am open to anything to right this ship.

[terpskins10]

Hint: don't use black font. lol

[BigMike21]

He hates Moss and Portis.

[gobigred]

Yea I messed up sorry

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Jim Riggins from Friday Night Lights? Awesome.

[BigMike21]

Jim Riggins from Friday Night Lights? Awesome.

Haha, I didn't even notice that. Is it happy hour yet?

[mnb123]

If he was being serious when blaming Moss for not making the playoffs, he is an idiot.

[MSB 21]

Jim Riggins from Friday Night Lights? Awesome.

Does he have a brother named Tim?

[ST is my boy]

Seriously at this point im not oposed to dumping Moss and Portis.......and you know one cant go without the other.

[fire3fighter4]

He hates Moss and Portis.
yep..

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Does he have a brother named Tim?

Damn! That's what I get for trying to be funny. I don't have DirecTV so it's been a while since I've watched the show. :cheers:

[SkinsWizCubsDukes]

The Bengals went three and out right after the penalty. I guess those 15 yards of field position cost us the playoffs.

Riggins hates Moss and Portis.

[mcarey032]

The penalty didn't cost the Redskins the playoffs. I will say that bad play calling and inefficient execution did; both on offense and defense. There are a lot of things to put blame on. I agree with some of what he said. I have to defer to him on some of the things because he is a HOF player who has won the Super Bowl and its MVP award. He also was the major reason that we RAN through the playoffs. I know that he hates Portis, but when you hear things that have been allegedly said by Portis like "Are we going to try and get to 1,500 yards?" as opposed lets do what it takes to get a win, then you wonder what kind of culture do we have on this team? Are individuals or a team?
Don't get me wrong, I like Portis and I think that he is a tough tough running back who is probably the best blocking back in the league, but when he says something like that, it really becomes hard to defend something like that.
I think that most of this team will come back, if it does the same or gets worse, you will see massive overhauls on this team and we will see what we have.

[paintrain]

I forget, did Jim Riggins play with Scott Brunell or Santonio Randle-El?

[gobigred]

John Riggins (Sorry)

[Sandman69]

Riggo has such an axe to grind it isn't funny. Maybe it is from all the wine he drinks.

He has some valid points, most of which are obvious to most intelligent fans. Other points seem to just be jabs at individuals. Funny, how he seems to have forgotten how he behaved back in the day. Imagine today's media back then.

I think alot of the quotes or misquotes are due to the media just trying to stir the nest to get shock value and ratings.

[Skinz4Life12]

who dat name jim riggins?

[Metskins]

He really seemed pissed about Moss' "celebration" after the touchdown. His thing was, youre still down by 10 points. Why do something like that and look like a moron? I doubt it had as much to do with the actual penalty. Then he seemed further incensed that no one had the stomach to try and discipline him.

I have mixed feelings on it. On the one hand, it's rare for a veteran to get shown up for doing something like that. On the other hand, it sends a bad message to the rookies like Devin Thompson who got cursed out by Randy Thomas a few times and was told to act like a professional. What kind of message are you sending if you don't get in Moss' face for something that obvious but get in Thompson's?

[Thinking Skins]

He really seemed pissed about Moss' "celebration" after the touchdown. His thing was, youre still down by 10 points. Why do something like that and look like a moron? I doubt it had as much to do with the actual penalty. Then he seemed further incensed that no one had the stomach to try and discipline him.

I have mixed feelings on it. On the one hand, it's rare for a veteran to get shown up for doing something like that. On the other hand, it sends a bad message to the rookies like Devin Thompson who got cursed out by Randy Thomas a few times and was told to act like a professional. What kind of message are you sending if you don't get in Moss' face for something that obvious but get in Thompson's?

Riggins just a hater. and he has a doublestandard because he did the same things and caused the same if not greater distractions.

[Rufus T Firefly]

I wanna hear what Larry Theismann says.

[SkinsOrlando]

I wonder what Chad Williams thinks of our qb situation.

[gobigred]

He really seemed pissed about Moss' "celebration" after the touchdown. His thing was, youre still down by 10 points. Why do something like that and look like a moron? I doubt it had as much to do with the actual penalty. Then he seemed further incensed that no one had the stomach to try and discipline him.

I have mixed feelings on it. On the one hand, it's rare for a veteran to get shown up for doing something like that. On the other hand, it sends a bad message to the rookies like Devin Thompson who got cursed out by Randy Thomas a few times and was told to act like a professional. What kind of message are you sending if you don't get in Moss' face for something that obvious but get in Thompson's?


You made some great points. I was just thinking about Moss and Portis and the history these guys have. What kind of influence do they have in a locker room? They are the star players on the team If they lead by example (Play hard put team first) team will follow or if they become disruptive ( Team stops playing with fire no desire) Never thought what kind of locker influence these two guys have, if not happy. I hope this is not the case.

[DieselPwr44]

Riggins just a hater. and he has a doublestandard because he did the same things and caused the same if not greater distractions.

Hey big guy,

Show me the film of Riggins' touchdown dance.

HINT: you won't find any because he never celebrated after a score

[Metskins]

Riggins just a hater. and he has a doublestandard because he did the same things and caused the same if not greater distractions.

Whether or not he's a hater is not the issue. The issue is, what does it say about management and coaching staff when these two guys (Portis and Moss) are able to do these types of things that can divide the locker room and don't get called to the carpet for it?

[Thinking Skins]

Hey big guy,

Show me the film of Riggins' touchdown dance.

HINT: you won't find any because he never celebrated after a score

yeah he just checked himself into the emergency room at Sibley to skip practice.....thats not causing a divided locker room though.

[Papabear]

Hey big guy,

Show me the film of Riggins' touchdown dance.

HINT: you won't find any because he never celebrated after a score


EXACTLY.

Maybe some people should start taking Riggins a bit more seriously. :2cents:

[brandymac27]

The question is did Moss' TD dance really cause a rift in the locker room like he's saying it did, or is he exaggerating things again?

[brandymac27]

yeah he just checked himself into the emergency room at Sibley to skip practice.....thats not causing a divided locker room though.


I gotta agree. He really shouldn't be talking crap about people. Pot...kettle.

[Thinking Skins]

The question is did Moss' TD dance really cause a rift in the locker room like he's saying it did, or is he exaggerating things again?

Even if it did, we didn't go to the locker room until after the game. The players and coaches still had a chance to win the game after Moss's touchdown (and dance). That coulda impacted the philly game and stuff, but I don't buy that it caused us to lose that game against Cincy.

[HLF]

lol @ that penalty costing us playoffs. What about giving the ball to our fullback instead of the best player we have? What about not being able to throw more then 200 yds? What about the same ****ing lame ass plays being called since mid season?:doh:

[SirClintonPortis]

Well, if Moss was being honest and really didn't know and Zorn benched him anyway, I think their relationship would start to sour. I don't really think Zorn is that much of a player's coach as he appears.

[buzz1522]

What distraction did Riggo cause??? Ok the guy (along with most of those teams he was on) partied alot...so what? You know what else they did? They freaking won and keep most of the crap inside the locker room where it belongs....

[DieselPwr44]

yeah he just checked himself into the emergency room at Sibley to skip practice.....thats not causing a divided locker room though.

To put his back in traction.

Then guess what? He suited up on Sunday to pound out 100 yds and help his team to a WIN.

I love Revisionist History 101. Especially from guys that were 2 years old when Riggo's career was winding down.

[Thinking Skins]

To put his back in traction.

Then guess what? He suited up on Sunday to pound out 100 yds and help his team to a WIN.



So you're saying that its okay for Riggins to be a locker room cancer as long as he helps the team win...is that what you're saying? I call that a double standard, maybe you don't mind double standards, but I do.

[DieselPwr44]

So you're saying that its okay for Riggins to be a locker room cancer as long as he helps the team win...is that what you're saying? I call that a double standard, maybe you don't mind double standards, but I do.

So a guy that's so beat up after a game that he has to check himself into a hospital to put his back in traction and then suit up on Sunday to get beat up but help his team to a win is a team cancer??


You're full of hockey.

I guess all of the Hogs were team cancers too as the Hogs and Riggo were at the 5 o'clock club after practice drinking??

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Portis is the face of the Franchise. All over players look up to him. He gets the yards and the media loves him. He's the leader. He blocks well, he sacrifices his body, and he is seemingly unselfish. He's the man.

The same man that doesn't practice much
The same man that doesn't play in pre season.
The same man that pretty much complained when he was injured in pre season that Gibbs shouldn't have been playing him in meaningless games because he only knows one speed.
The same man that has called out Zorn not once but TWICE on national radio/media

He doesn't set a good example for the rest of the team.

[REDSKINS3000]

I wanna hear what Larry Theismann says.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[REDSKINS3000]

I wanna hear what Larry Theismann says.

Also don't forget about Darrel Monk...;)

[GibbsFactor]

We're a total mess.

:doh:

[papaskin]

So you're saying that its okay for Riggins to be a locker room cancer as long as he helps the team win...is that what you're saying? I call that a double standard, maybe you don't mind double standards, but I do.

Riggins never celebrated. And he was not a locker room cancer.
Obviously you disagree with his observations/comments. Fair enough.
But making ***** up (about his career) is on par with any double standard.
:2cents:

[Sandman69]

Riggins never celebrated. And he was not a locker room cancer.
Obviously you disagree with his observations/comments. Fair enough.
But making ***** up (about his career) is on par with any double standard.
:2cents:

To back this up...

I will stand by my opinion that Riggo has some issues with the organization and some of the players personally, rightfully or not. I have said he has an axe to grind. Which I still do.

However, Riggo never behaved like players of today. He played like players of yesterday. Drinking, smoking, partying... Hell I know I would do that in if I was in the position then. Yes he blew off alot of ****, and he could very well be in the same limelight as the "stand out" players of today.

But he NEVER called out his coach, NEVER called out his players. At least that I remember.

I still think all the drama nowadays would exist in the past with today's media. TV and reporters everywhere has changed everything from Football, World Events, War etc...

All I know, is I ****ing hate when a season is over.

[BoRnAndRaiSedSkinsFan]

Portis is the face of the Franchise. All over players look up to him. He gets the yards and the media loves him. He's the leader. He blocks well, he sacrifices his body, and he is seemingly unselfish. He's the man.

The same man that doesn't practice much
The same man that doesn't play in pre season.
The same man that pretty much complained when he was injured in pre season that Gibbs shouldn't have been playing him in meaningless games because he only knows one speed.
The same man that has called out Zorn not once but TWICE on national radio/media

He doesn't set a good example for the rest of the team.

The same man that mouthed off once again on the John Thompson show. He blamed Zorn for the running game at the end of the season. He also bitched about not getting his 1500 yards. He said he knows how the running game is to be handled and that Zorn cannot be a dictator next year.....

Edit: I didn't catch the TWICE in one of your points. But I'll just consider it elaboration on one of your points.

[westcoasthog]

The last two points about Fletch and the locker room are both right on. It's ok to have the happy after game hip hip hooray celebrations after a win but we need intensity and fire before the game. Forget staying medium. That's ok for a qb to stay medium...but this team needs a fire lit under their rear ends. That's why I like D Hall and LaRon and their trash talking.

[Sandman69]

The last two points about Fletch and the locker room are both right on. It's ok to have the happy after game hip hip hooray celebrations after a win but we need intensity and fire before the game. Forget staying medium. That's ok for a qb to stay medium...but this team needs a fire lit under their rear ends. That's why I like D Hall and LaRon and their trash talking.

YES! The team hasn't had that emotion on the sideline all season long for the most part. It showed up in the Philly game and the Bengals game I think. When JZ chest pumped Fletch or someone, can't remember who. The whole team seemed electrified.

My wife even noticed it, which is saying something. She asked me "Where has this team been?"

I think that is one of my biggest bitches about this season. There was rarely any emotion this year on the sidelines. Bite my tongue, but kind of like I saw on the Doughboys sidelines alot of the time (other than their arguing).

[LoudMouth12thMan]

Riggins=HOF, SB winner, and the best Redskin Back ever. I'll take his crazy, drunken, slurred word, b.s. philosophies over anyone's theory on what this team needs, any day of the week. He was right about the team last year and he was right on the money this year. He knows what he's talking about. He's just a little abrasive with his criticism. He doesn't like the flashy "me" guy, and when he sees it, he points it out with often venomous criticism. I love it personally b/c it especially gets a rise out the "modern" athlete supporters. I'm old-school baby. I hate the gold teeth, gold shoes, and the hip hop video shoots in the end zone and after a tackle made when the runner just gained eight yards on first down [cough cough Marcus Washington]. Give me hard-nosed football players with no interest in self promotion [cough cough Sean Taylor, Landry, Fletcher, Horton, Cooley, etc.]. I love me some 44DESL<------Loudmouth's license plate baby!

[GSF]

So you're saying that its okay for Riggins to be a locker room cancer as long as he helps the team win...is that what you're saying? I call that a double standard, maybe you don't mind double standards, but I do.

You are way off base with your comments about Riggins. Riggins was never a cancer in the locker room period. He also never celebrated after scoring. You are confusing Riggins' night life with what kind of player he was. He was a pro.

[Thinking Skins]

You are way off base with your comments about Riggins. Riggins was never a cancer in the locker room period. He also never celebrated after scoring. You are confusing Riggins' night life with what kind of player he was. He was a pro.

Riggins gets respected because he did his stuff on a winning team. I don't know how he would have acted in Gibbs 2.0 or under Zorn or in this 21st century NFL. What I do know is that he has a lot of opinions, most of them against the Redskins players and personnel, particularly Moss and Portis.

And even if you want to speak highly of Riggins, lets talk about Gary Clark (my favorite skin of all time). He was known to get in Gibbs's face time and again, but he showed up when it mattered, especially when #11 was the QB.

All I'm sayin is that Riggo has a double standard that he's judging this team by that he didn't judge the players of the 80s by. And I really think he's just bitter.

[JC#17]

F Portis, what kind of player whines about not getting 1500 yards when his team is out of the playoffs? A selfish player. I'll trust Riggins opinion over any fans opinion or so called expert.

Anyone who thinks this team is going anywhere next year is a homer. JC is not leading this team anywhere, what has he really shown us these past 2 years? Not much. Our O-line and D-line need serious help, by the time the Redskins can even fix these problems most of our current star players will be over the hill. Trade Portis and get some draft pics. Running backs can be replaced with ease. This team needs a rebuilt O-line and a franchise qb before it starts thinking about a playoff run.

[JC#17]

F Portis, what kind of player whines about not getting 1500 yards when his team is out of the playoffs? A selfish player. I'll trust Riggins opinion over any fans opinion or so called expert. Plus calling out Zorn on the radio? Send him to Dallas.

Anyone who thinks this team is going anywhere next year is a homer. JC is not leading this team anywhere, what has he really shown us these past 2 years? Not much. Our O-line and D-line need serious help, by the time the Redskins can even fix these problems most of our current star players will be over the hill. Trade Portis and get some draft pics. Running backs can be replaced with ease. This team needs a rebuilt O-line and a franchise qb before it starts thinking about a playoff run.

[str8jacket]

I can't remember who said it, was kind of a semi-famous quote i guess but it was something to the effect that John Riggins set the single season records for touchdowns and after every single one handed the ball to the ref and walked back to the sideline. On one hand you gotta miss the old days when guys really had character. There are a few still out there that play hard, work hard, behave like they should and they for the most part go unnoticed or struggle to get in the hall of fame for their efforts. On the other you want to see some fire, some form of a spark and i noticed in the playoffs games they were dishing out penalties right and left on celebrations. Sometimes ya gotta miss the old days RFK stadium and a time when stadiums were named after people and not after a business proposition. A time when players played in the mud. It was Jack Lambert missing a tooth standing there in the cold with blood on his jersey. It was John Riggins handing the ball to the ref after walking into the endzone behind the best damn offensive line to ever play the game.

[Mercuryrising]

John Riggins (Sorry)

Don't worry about it. Half these nitwits cannot get dressed in the morning without their mother pulling their undies up for them, but if they catch a typo in someones post they pretend they are combination NASA scientist and pultizer prize winning author . :laugh:

Thanks for the info.

[Fishslayer]

Riggins just a hater. and he has a doublestandard because he did the same things and caused the same if not greater distractions.

Riggins wasn't a distraction. The guy barely even spoke. Hell, he never even spiked the ball. Eccentric as hell? Yes! Distraction? Hell no. If anything Riggins added more character to the team. The guy was 100% toughness and the last thing he wanted was to let his fellow Hogs down!

Riggins put the entire team on his back during the 1982 playoff run. Look it up. He had 177 carries that season and 136 in the playoffs/superbowl. Riggin's toughness was momentuous to the genesis of the Skins dynasty!

[ldsdbomber]

yeah he just checked himself into the emergency room at Sibley to skip practice.....thats not causing a divided locker room though.

er, hello - Riggins was loved by the team, so much that the Hogs allowed him to become an honorary member. Things were different back then, characters were allowed. I've never ever heard any inklings that any of Gibbs teams suffered from a divided locker room (Gibbs v1 I mean)

[ldsdbomber]

Riggins wasn't a distraction. The guy barely even spoke. Hell, he never even spiked the ball. Eccentric as hell? Yes! Distraction? Hell no. If anything Riggins added more character to the team. The guy was 100% toughness and the last thing he wanted was to let his fellow Hogs down!

Riggins put the entire team on his back during the 1982 playoff run. Look it up. He had 177 carries that season and 136 in the playoffs/superbowl. Riggin's toughness was momentuous to the genesis of the Skins dynasty!
177 carries in a 9 game season too!

[ldsdbomber]

Riggins=HOF, SB winner, and the best Redskin Back ever. I'll take his crazy, drunken, slurred word, b.s. philosophies over anyone's theory on what this team needs, any day of the week. He was right about the team last year and he was right on the money this year. He knows what he's talking about. He's just a little abrasive with his criticism. He doesn't like the flashy "me" guy, and when he sees it, he points it out with often venomous criticism. I love it personally b/c it especially gets a rise out the "modern" athlete supporters. I'm old-school baby. I hate the gold teeth, gold shoes, and the hip hop video shoots in the end zone and after a tackle made when the runner just gained eight yards on first down [cough cough Marcus Washington]. Give me hard-nosed football players with no interest in self promotion [cough cough Sean Taylor, Landry, Fletcher, Horton, Cooley, etc.]. I love me some 44DESL<------Loudmouth's license plate baby!

Hear hear!
I am also sick of this rap video gold tooth bull. I'd bench anyone who did any of that crap until they got bored or moved on. And I wouldn't care if we lost every game if we had a team who played like men for the game and for each other.

[ldsdbomber]

Don't worry about it. Half these nitwits cannot get dressed in the morning without their mother pulling their undies up for them, but if they catch a typo in someones post they pretend they are combination NASA scientist and pultizer prize winning author . :laugh:

Thanks for the info.

Well hang on, there's a big difference between a spelling mistake and NOT KNOWING THE NAME OF THE BEST BACK IN TEAM HISTORY and maybe one of the most famous.

[Stonoman]

Riggins was a work horse.I am sick and tired of watching a guy make a tackle and shake his head and pound his chest.Score and wipe your shoes? That's a lack of pure class.Its one thing to score but acting like you did something yourself is selfish and stupid.I would rather see the old days where the guys jumped up together after a score.Class acts just do the job and that's it.Moss just looked stupid to me after dropping several balls he should have pulled in.

[Drop]

lol @ Jim Riggins. And yeah, he really doesn't like Portis or Moss. Moss is a standup dude though, he just got carried away with that stupid penalty against Cinncinatti. I don't think he has a bad attitude or creates bad chemistry in the locker room at all. But, that's just my opinion.

[Pounds]

I forget, did Jim Riggins play with Scott Brunell or Santonio Randle-El?

You mean Santonio Moss ;)...

[Tastes Like Chicken]

I think the problem falls more on Tim Zorn, than on Clifton or Santonio.

:silly:

Gotta love Riggo, setting that bridge ablaze with the front office comment. :)

[G-Prime]

I was listening to the Blitz this morning and a guy from SC asked John Riggns how the redskins could be fixed and man he really dropped some bombs. Here are some key points.

- There needs to be a Major makeover of management and ownership

- Dl and Ol needs to be upgraded. (he said that Jansen, and Thomas
getting too old. Kendall still looks pretty good as well as, Rabach and he
does not know what to say about Samuels but even had questions about
him)

-No playmakers on offense needs a guy to bring electricity to the team. (No
Steve Smith, Deangelo Williams on the team) sounded like a jab at Moss and Portis to me

- Feels Santana Moss is part of the problem in the locker room

- Not sure Zorn got what it takes to lead feels that Zorn should have
benched Moss after the the penalty in the Cincinnati game. He said
Moss cost team the playoffs.

-If not for London Fletcher team would have been 4-12

- Feels until locker room culture changes team will continue to loose.

I just found his comments interesting and followed a lot of the comments on this blog. I am so tired of loosing I am open to anything to right this ship.

Anyone takes what he says seriously anymore?

This reminds me of what a 16 year old first time poster would post on here.

[zskins]

John Riggins (Sorry)

Well what's taking you so long to fix the title of the thread?


I guess sometimes John sounds like an old bitter man who thinks if he was in charge he would do things differently. Oh well.

[Skinsinparadise]

I listen to Riggins a lot and like him as an annoucer. One thing though really hits me phony about him. He's main drill about the Redskins lately is the character and antics of some of the players -- mostly Portis and now Moss. But since when is Riggins the player about moral virtue and being an upstanding guy who played by the rules?

I don't mind that it wasn't his drill but it seems amusing to me that he acts as if he was all about being a good soldier and never talking or doing anything out of turn. One caller on a show took him to task about this and asked him about Riggins walking out on his coach after the season and stitting out. Riggins response was more or less, well, Redskins fans should thank me becuase I realized my coach didn't know what he was doing and that brought attention to the matter and we then got Joe Gibbs.

Well, fine, but how is that even an iota different than Portis calling out Zorn? Easier to argue that Riggins did it worse, considering Portis didn't sit anything out.

[Thinking Skins]

er, hello - Riggins was loved by the team, so much that the Hogs allowed him to become an honorary member. Things were different back then, characters were allowed. I've never ever heard any inklings that any of Gibbs teams suffered from a divided locker room (Gibbs v1 I mean)

SO you're admitting that there's a double standard.

[Thinking Skins]

i listen to riggins a lot and like him as an annoucer. One thing though really hits me phony about him. He's main drill about the redskins lately is the character and antics of some of the players -- mostly portis and now moss. But since when is riggins the player about moral virtue and being an upstanding guy who played by the rules?

I don't mind that it wasn't his drill but it seems amusing to me that he acts as if he was all about being a good soldier and never talking or doing anything out of turn. One caller on a show took him to task about this and asked him about riggins walking out on his coach after the season and stitting out. Riggins response was more or less, well, redskins fans should thank me becuase i realized my coach didn't know what he was doing and that brought attention to the matter and we then got joe gibbs.

Well, fine, but how is that even an iota different than portis calling out zorn? Easier to argue that riggins did it worse, considering portis didn't sit anything out.

qft

[Khun Kao]

I'm disappointed in Riggins continued trashing of the team. He was a great player and I have fond memories of watching the team grind out the 2nd half of a game with Gibbs having them run the Riggo Drill.

I'm also disappointed in Portis' comments to the media. He is also a great player and I have great memories of his first touch at FedEx field, torching Tampa on a busted Counter Trey. I love watching Portis get going and breaking off consistent 5+ yard runs as a defense wears down (despite this not happening often b/c our passing game is so out of sync). I also love watching Portis block!

Finally, I was disappointed in Moss' theatrics. It was unnecessary showboating, but I saw it as him trying to add a "spark", get the team pumped up. The penalty probably had the opposite effect, but I'm sure it wasn't the intent and he may have simply not realized that using his handtowel would consititue using a "prop".

Back to Riggins vs. Portis, though..... Fact is that they are two entirely different players in two entirely different eras. Portis has run his mouth in the media ever since he's been here. How soon we forget when he took shots at Gibbs in the media too.... (I no longer remember the specifics, sorry) But Gibbs tolerated it because he produced. I daresay Zorn tolerates it for much of the same reason.... Portis produces!

Where is the evidence that these antics of Moss & Portis are "dividing" the locker room? The CLOSEST anyone has come to suggesting there is a problem in the locker room were Campbell's comments about some players "desire" and that there may be shocking personel changes this off-season. Speculate and read into that all you want, but I can name ten other players on offense whose "desire" I would question before Portis'. (IMO, Moss is an unknown factor, in that regards...)

[SWFLSkins]

yep..

Ditto. (just trying to get my post count up)

[mbws]

Hey big guy,

Show me the film of Riggins' touchdown dance.

HINT: you won't find any because he never celebrated after a score




True, and even if he did, it wasn't a 15 yard penalty then.

[Rocky21]

Riggins thinks Moss cost the Redskins the playoffs?

Wow, that's harsh.

[dexter's manley]

Riggins is correct on all his points.

As currently constructed, this team is flawed in way too many aspects to ever win consistently. Here's what we have:

* An average quarterback who has shown an inability to create plays on his own. If everyone else on offense performs perfectly, he can be a passable QB. If any other aspect breaks down on any play, he's usually in trouble.

* An aging offensive line delivering steadily decreasing results.

* A solid starting running back who has lost his breakaway speed and who is at the mercy of the aforementioned aging offensive line.

* A top-tier tight end whose numbers are inflated by the fact that he is our average quarterback's security blanket. Still, this is our best position on offense.

* A completely deficient set of wide receivers without a true #1 option. Our de facto #1 option is a midget whose ego is much bigger than his heart - the penalty against the Bengals was the final straw for me. Anyone who celebrates himself after scoring a TD to pull within 10 points of a terrible team is simply a loser. Moss has had great moments as a Redskin, but he's not a true #1, and he should be replaced as #1 by a bigger, stronger receiver and demoted to the #2 spot or released this offseason.

* A defense that put up solid numbers, but that in the final 2/3 of the season too often failed to stop opponents when it had to - with the game on the line in the 4th quarter.

* An unproven head coach who demonstrated no acumen for mid-season philosophical or situational adjustments, let alone mid-game adjustments.

* A borderline-retarded front office that is the laughingstock of the rest of the league.

Pretty depressing stuff. But until many of these things are addressed and changed, we are looking at a string of 4-12 type seasons for the foreseeable future.

[jbowman]

Once upon a time, Riggins was like a hero to me. One of my favorite all time Redskins players. I wish he would have just never become a radio announcer so I could still feel that way.

[mbws]

Don't worry about it. Half these nitwits cannot get dressed in the morning without their mother pulling their undies up for them, but if they catch a typo in someones post they pretend they are combination NASA scientist and pultizer prize winning author . :laugh:

Thanks for the info.




You didn't capitalize Pulitzer.

j/k

:rolleyes:

[Ernie5]

I'm disappointed in Riggins continued trashing of the team. He was a great player and I have fond memories of watching the team grind out the 2nd half of a game with Gibbs having them run the Riggo Drill.

I'm also disappointed in Portis' comments to the media. He is also a great player and I have great memories of his first touch at FedEx field, torching Tampa on a busted Counter Trey. I love watching Portis get going and breaking off consistent 5+ yard runs as a defense wears down (despite this not happening often b/c our passing game is so out of sync). I also love watching Portis block!

Finally, I was disappointed in Moss' theatrics. It was unnecessary showboating, but I saw it as him trying to add a "spark", get the team pumped up. The penalty probably had the opposite effect, but I'm sure it wasn't the intent and he may have simply not realized that using his handtowel would consititue using a "prop".

Back to Riggins vs. Portis, though..... Fact is that they are two entirely different players in two entirely different eras. Portis has run his mouth in the media ever since he's been here. How soon we forget when he took shots at Gibbs in the media too.... (I no longer remember the specifics, sorry) But Gibbs tolerated it because he produced. I daresay Zorn tolerates it for much of the same reason.... Portis produces!

Where is the evidence that these antics of Moss & Portis are "dividing" the locker room? The CLOSEST anyone has come to suggesting there is a problem in the locker room were Campbell's comments about some players "desire" and that there may be shocking personel changes this off-season. Speculate and read into that all you want, but I can name ten other players on offense whose "desire" I would question before Portis'. (IMO, Moss is an unknown factor, in that regards...)


Good post!

[Ernie5]

Riggo usually is right-on. He is especially right-on on this one.

He is? Are we talking about the same Riggo?

[Thiebear]

He stole 1/2 those quotes from Blondie at the Eagles tailgate.
he must have Comcast...

[PlayAction]

lol @ that penalty costing us playoffs. What about giving the ball to our fullback instead of the best player we have? What about not being able to throw more then 200 yds? What about the same ****ing lame ass plays being called since mid season?:doh:

You mean where Zorn called the play that every fan on ExtremeSkins has been begging the Skins to run for the last two years? You guys have short memories. Portis hasn't been able to punch it in on short yardage consistently for at least three years. Fans have been looking for the big bruising FB (like TB had) to punch it in. Remember the trade with Atlanta for a heavy RB that cost the Skins a 3rd and 4th pick? How many times have fans called for Sellers to take the ball in short yardage? The call for Sellers certainly wasn't the same lame *ss play that had been called all season. It was a bold call - you can criticize Zorn for calling it again the second time instead of Portis on a sweep but the OL probably said they could get the job done.

[Skinz248]

If he was being serious when blaming Moss for not making the playoffs, he is an idiot.

Agreed. Is that some kind of joke that MOSS cost us a playoff spot? Not our D falling apart for most 4th quarters? Get real Riggo.... Your old ass needs to shut the hell up about this stuff already. I wish I had the stats of the defense on "game-ending" drives. Our defense played great for 3 and a half quarters every week. The other half quarter usually cost us a game or two. If someone had the stats of our defense in the 4th quarter compared to the rest of the game, I bet they show a huge decrease in production. Maybe the D needs more conditioning in practice and the offseason.

EFFF RIGGO

[Skinz248]

Riggins is correct on all his points.

As currently constructed, this team is flawed in way too many aspects to ever win consistently. Here's what we have:

* An average quarterback who has shown an inability to create plays on his own. If everyone else on offense performs perfectly, he can be a passable QB. If any other aspect breaks down on any play, he's usually in trouble.

* An aging offensive line delivering steadily decreasing results.

* A solid starting running back who has lost his breakaway speed and who is at the mercy of the aforementioned aging offensive line.

* A top-tier tight end whose numbers are inflated by the fact that he is our average quarterback's security blanket. Still, this is our best position on offense.

* A completely deficient set of wide receivers without a true #1 option. Our de facto #1 option is a midget whose ego is much bigger than his heart - the penalty against the Bengals was the final straw for me. Anyone who celebrates himself after scoring a TD to pull within 10 points of a terrible team is simply a loser. Moss has had great moments as a Redskin, but he's not a true #1, and he should be replaced as #1 by a bigger, stronger receiver and demoted to the #2 spot or released this offseason.

* A defense that put up solid numbers, but that in the final 2/3 of the season too often failed to stop opponents when it had to - with the game on the line in the 4th quarter.

* An unproven head coach who demonstrated no acumen for mid-season philosophical or situational adjustments, let alone mid-game adjustments.

* A borderline-retarded front office that is the laughingstock of the rest of the league.

Pretty depressing stuff. But until many of these things are addressed and changed, we are looking at a string of 4-12 type seasons for the foreseeable future.

Really? He is correct in the fact that Moss cost us a playoff spot? Cmon man get over the fact that he USED to be the best running back in Redskins history. He has now been passed by CP and he is pissed about it. I am tired of reading the crap coming out of his mouth.

[crank]

can Jim Riggins lead this team to the Paloffs?

[Fletch_Lives59]

can Jim Riggins lead this team to the Paloffs?

yes, with Sonny and Sam as his coordinators..

[SkinzBoi85]

YES! The team hasn't had that emotion on the sideline all season long for the most part. It showed up in the Philly game and the Bengals game I think. When JZ chest pumped Fletch or someone, can't remember who. The whole team seemed electrified.

My wife even noticed it, which is saying something. She asked me "Where has this team been?"

I think that is one of my biggest bitches about this season. There was rarely any emotion this year on the sidelines. Bite my tongue, but kind of like I saw on the Doughboys sidelines alot of the time (other than their arguing).


:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy :notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:cheers::cheers::che ers::cheers::cheers::cheers::applause::applause::a pplause::applause::applause::applause::applause:

[TankRizzo]

Agreed. Is that some kind of joke that MOSS cost us a playoff spot? Not our D falling apart for most 4th quarters? Get real Riggo.... Your old ass needs to shut the hell up about this stuff already. I wish I had the stats of the defense on "game-ending" drives. Our defense played great for 3 and a half quarters every week. The other half quarter usually cost us a game or two. If someone had the stats of our defense in the 4th quarter compared to the rest of the game, I bet they show a huge decrease in production. Maybe the D needs more conditioning in practice and the offseason.

EFFF RIGGO



At least the Defense would show up for 3 quarters a game. I think the offense showed up for 3 quarters all season.

[Cskin]

Riggins is right... Moss, Portis, Sellers and others are part of culture of losing and excuses on this team. Moss doesn't take over games... doesn't turn many routine plays into touchdowns. In fact, in the SF game... he dropped a short crossing route that would have moved the chains and kept a drive alive. What did he do? Slapped his hands together, ala Champ Bailey, and ran to the sideline.

Portis runs hard... but doesn't turn routine running plays into touchdowns. No longer breaks long runs or touchdowns and is typically looking for the ground at the 2nd level to avoid the big hit.

Sellers misses as many plays as he makes but believes the beast press clippings and man crushes that surround them.

No leadership... culture of losing.... excuses... all equal 8-8.

[Skinsfor4]

Riggins is just saying we will never win with "sacred cows" grazing at FedEx.

[dexter's manley]

Really? He is correct in the fact that Moss cost us a playoff spot? Cmon man get over the fact that he USED to be the best running back in Redskins history. He has now been passed by CP and he is pissed about it. I am tired of reading the crap coming out of his mouth.

On the Moss thing, he was exaggerating to make a point, I think. Moss's stupid celebration was indicative of the entire team's attitude that day - and if they play with heart and win that game AS THEY SHOULD HAVE they would have been in the playoffs. I don't agree that Moss's penalty cost the game, but it sure didn't help much. It was up there with Westbrook's helmet toss and Frerotte's head butt among the dumbest things I've ever seen a Redskins player do on the field.

[hiswadeness]

I'll listen to CP's opinion when he brings a Lombardi Trophy to Redskins Park. Until then CP is a step below.
Reading some of the posts here I kind of get thr idea that many of you would rather have Moss, And CP here no matter what. Even if it means never getting above average. I like CP. But he needs to check his attitude. And as far as I'm concerned I'll take wins over player stats any day.

[Skins_Throwback]

I have no problem listening to Riggins' frustrations. He's just like all of us, tired of the excuses and losing.

[thomasroane]

He hates Moss and Portis.

I beginning to really have my doubts about anyone from The U. Eventually they all show what they're all about. Themselves.

[celts32]

Riggins just a hater. and he has a doublestandard because he did the same things and caused the same if not greater distractions.

Riggo did not cause any distractions. He may have liked to drink and go out on the town but he never did the type of things that he is criticising Portis & Moss for. I tend to agree with a lot of what Riggo says about the redskins...just because Riggins played for the skins it does not make him a "hater" to criticise the way they do business or the selfish way that portis acts.

[ljs]

- Feels Santana Moss is part of the problem in the locker room

- Not sure Zorn got what it takes to lead feels that Zorn should have
benched Moss after the the penalty in the Cincinnati game. He said
Moss cost team the playoffs.

.

I completely disagree w/ this statement. One play did not cost us the playoffs. We lost 8 games, for various reasons. This statement is just ridiculous.

[celts32]

I completely disagree w/ this statement. One play did not cost us the playoffs. We lost 8 games, for various reasons. This statement is just ridiculous.

I think Riggo may be unfairly lumping Moss in since he and Portis are friends and because of that one play but his overall points on Portis and the redskins as a whole are dead on.

[turkey boogers]

riggo the man who called sandra day oconner "baby" and proceeded to lay on his back at a banquet. still have a hard time takin him serious..can hear the buds crackin open in the background...hit the cough button

[jbooma]

I completely disagree w/ this statement. One play did not cost us the playoffs. We lost 8 games, for various reasons. This statement is just ridiculous.

When he said Moss cost us the playoffs he was not referring to the Cincy game. Last year he said in the games we lost and needed to win Moss did not pay well, he said that all year and look at the numbers below, he was right.

Week 1 NYG 37 yards, 1 TD
Week 6 STL 22 yards
Week 9 PIT 14 yards
Week 11 DAL 29 yards
Week 13 NYG 55 Yards
Week 14 BAL 48 yards
Week 15 CIN 72, 1 TD
Week 17 SF 68 Yards

So in the games we lost our #1 WR threat averaged 43 yards and .25 TDs


THAT IS PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Real #1's average that in a quarter

[Loyal2Washington]

Riggins gets respected because he did his stuff on a winning team. I don't know how he would have acted in Gibbs 2.0 or under Zorn or in this 21st century NFL. What I do know is that he has a lot of opinions, most of them against the Redskins players and personnel, particularly Moss and Portis.

And even if you want to speak highly of Riggins, lets talk about Gary Clark (my favorite skin of all time). He was known to get in Gibbs's face time and again, but he showed up when it mattered, especially when #11 was the QB.

All I'm sayin is that Riggo has a double standard that he's judging this team by that he didn't judge the players of the 80s by. And I really think he's just bitter.
Stop it, just stop it please. If you really think Riggins was a double standard team cancer then you know absolutly nothing about the history of the Redskins, although I see you tried to rewrite some it with his get out of practice BS you were posting. You're also wrong and don't understand the dynamic relationship between Gibbs and his former players including Gary Clark. Clark knew the line and never crossed it, he was just a passionate player but you again confuse that with team cancer. BTW Gibbs I went to 4 Super Bowls winning 3 of them, and what exactly has this group of overrated me first players done? NOTHING. Do you understand that, you can not compare the characters of winning teams with the distracting over hyped players of a 38-42, since 2004, team that has accomplished nothing.
Now I'm going to help you understand this, the 80's players had each others back, they respected Gibbs, and they played for the franchise and the fans. They won together and they lost together but the team always came first. Sure they had different personalities but come Sunday those guys knew they could count on each other.

[seanyt]

lol @ that penalty costing us playoffs. What about giving the ball to our fullback instead of the best player we have? What about not being able to throw more then 200 yds? What about the same ****ing lame ass plays being called since mid season?:doh:


Yep I think you hit that one on the Head!!! 8-8 and someones going to point at one game of the 8??? How bout losing to some scrub teams in there, I'd say thats why were not in the playoffs!!! How bout our D line hasn't been worth a crap in years and now the O line looks just as bad protecting the pass, and while were at it how bout the passing game looks shady too!!!

[DieselPwr44]

When he said Moss cost us the playoffs he was not referring to the Cincy game. Last year he said in the games we lost and needed to win Moss did not play well, he said that all year and look at the numbers below, he was right.

Hammer meets nail.

Most true #1's,even when double covered,open up the other receivers somewhere on the field....unless you're the Redskins. :doh:

[bikie]

I'm not a fan of santana or portis but riggo being their critic is like tracy lords stating that miley cyrus is too risque..

[Thinking Skins]

When he said Moss cost us the playoffs he was not referring to the Cincy game. Last year he said in the games we lost and needed to win Moss did not pay well, he said that all year and look at the numbers below, he was right.

Week 1 NYG 37 yards, 1 TD
Week 6 STL 22 yards
Week 9 PIT 14 yards
Week 11 DAL 29 yards
Week 13 NYG 55 Yards
Week 14 BAL 48 yards
Week 15 CIN 72, 1 TD
Week 17 SF 68 Yards

So in the games we lost our #1 WR threat averaged 43 yards and .25 TDs


THAT IS PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Real #1's average that in a quarter


Lets see, 43 yards per quarter....thats 172 yards per game
172 times 16 = 2752.

Please show me a WR who's averaging 2752 yards per season? I don't think that number has ever been approached, let alone averaged.

So I guess according to you, there has never been a REAL #1 in the NFL.

:doh:

[Thinking Skins]

Stop it, just stop it please. If you really think Riggins was a double standard team cancer then you know absolutly nothing about the history of the Redskins, although I see you tried to rewrite some it with his get out of practice BS you were posting. You're also wrong and don't understand the dynamic relationship between Gibbs and his former players including Gary Clark. Clark knew the line and never crossed it, he was just a passionate player but you again confuse that with team cancer. BTW Gibbs I went to 4 Super Bowls winning 3 of them, and what exactly has this group of overrated me first players done? NOTHING. Do you understand that, you can not compare the characters of winning teams with the distracting over hyped players of a 38-42, since 2004, team that has accomplished nothing.
Now I'm going to help you understand this, the 80's players had each others back, they respected Gibbs, and they played for the franchise and the fans. They won together and they lost together but the team always came first. Sure they had different personalities but come Sunday those guys knew they could count on each other.


:violin:

If it looks like a double standard, and quacks like a double standard....Ima call it a double standard. What you're telling me is that its Okay for Riggins and Clark to whine and complain and pull off stunts and tricks because they still won SBs, but its not okay for Moss and Portis because they haven't won a SB. The Cowboys won SBs too, are you saying that Irvin wasn't a cancer or a distraction? What about Leon Lett. According to you and many of the Riggins defenders, because they still won, it doesn't matter.

SB teams can have cancers and distractions too. And NON-SB teams can be teams that DO NOT HAVE CANCERS too.

And for the record (and everybody who's criticizing me), I do not have a problem with Riggins's missing practices and walking out on his coach, showing up drunk, etc...I think its part of what makes him unique. Same way I loved seeing Clark screaming for the ball and being his normal self, because it was part of what gave our team an identity. I'm not saying that either of them was a distraction or a cancer. But I am using them as an example to show that there are many characters and personalities on a football team. Not everybody is gonna have a Barry Sanders (hand the ball to the ref) or an Art Monk (keep ya mouf shut) attitude. As long as what's happening is inspiring the team, I'm cool with it - the same way Lawrence Taylor (another SB winner) would take a personal foul penalty to intimidate the other teams.

[Chief skin]

management and ownership are the keys to the nightmare we are living, he got that right

[bikie]

:violin:

SB teams can have cancers and distractions too. And NON-SB teams can be teams that DO NOT HAVE CANCERS too.


I was thinking about that after CP's comment's this week, cause I'm convinced we will never be a serious contender with the likes of portis in our locker room, and while I can't argue other teams haven't dealt with distractions, I respectfully believe that the distractors (irving & taylor) were ultimately TEAM players, rather than selfish prima donna's like I consider CP.. they wanted the lombardi, not the rushing title or elite individual status...

[WVUforREDSKINS]

At least he gave Fletcher his props. I agree that we would be 4-12 or worse without Fletcher. He is easily twice as important as CP is.

I like CP and all, he is a warrior and a good back, but I would take at least 5 other backs in the nfl over CP and three of them on other teams in the NFCE.

[Mackdaddydean]

LOSE is spelled with one O.

[Loyal2Washington]

:violin:

If it looks like a double standard, and quacks like a double standard....Ima call it a double standard. What you're telling me is that its Okay for Riggins and Clark to whine and complain and pull off stunts and tricks because they still won SBs, but its not okay for Moss and Portis because they haven't won a SB. The Cowboys won SBs too, are you saying that Irvin wasn't a cancer or a distraction? What about Leon Lett. According to you and many of the Riggins defenders, because they still won, it doesn't matter.

SB teams can have cancers and distractions too. And NON-SB teams can be teams that DO NOT HAVE CANCERS too.

And for the record (and everybody who's criticizing me), I do not have a problem with Riggins's missing practices and walking out on his coach, showing up drunk, etc...I think its part of what makes him unique. Same way I loved seeing Clark screaming for the ball and being his normal self, because it was part of what gave our team an identity. I'm not saying that either of them was a distraction or a cancer. But I am using them as an example to show that there are many characters and personalities on a football team. Not everybody is gonna have a Barry Sanders (hand the ball to the ref) or an Art Monk (keep ya mouf shut) attitude. As long as what's happening is inspiring the team, I'm cool with it - the same way Lawrence Taylor (another SB winner) would take a personal foul penalty to intimidate the other teams.
Save your violin captain 1998 because again you just don't get it. Until this group of over rated players win consistantly you are fighting a losing battle. You can buy all the Moss and Portis jersey's you want, they are still not that good.
Let me throw you a bone again, cancer is a bad thing, that until the advance of medical technology would break down the host body until that person died. Cancer is a evil destructive force. So if a team wins and gets better then that would mean there is no cancer, how do you win if the team is slowly dying. No team implosion and constantly winning equals cancer free, see how that works, good I knew you'd get it. Riggins, Irvin, LT, Lett and others my have had there off field issues, and in some cases demons, but the other 52 teammates of those players knew they would be there on Sunday and do whatever it takes to win. Terrell Owens is a classic team cancer, his type of antics divide a locker room and cost coaches jobs, Riggins just won baby and won big.
Also be a little more clearer when using the words cancer and distractions. John Elway possibly retiring was a distraction not cancer for the 98 Broncos, again see how that works and I tied that to my opening comment. I do agree that losing teams do not always have "cancer" type players, in that case they just aren't that good and still need to be replaced.
In short yes it is perfectly fine to have a ton of different characters on a team as long as they win. Isn't winning all that really matters in the NFL? Winning my friend is the difference between minor microscopic distractions and being a team cancer, in case you haven't figured it out.

[jbooma]

Lets see, 43 yards per quarter....thats 172 yards per game
172 times 16 = 2752.

Please show me a WR who's averaging 2752 yards per season? I don't think that number has ever been approached, let alone averaged.

So I guess according to you, there has never been a REAL #1 in the NFL.

:doh:

well it is was only 8 games, and even if they average that in a half which i would bet players like Andre Johnson could do, the point is in the games we need him he isn't there

Santana is a slot WR thats all, he is not consistent and not a #1

[gobigred]

Wow did not look at overall stats sonds to me Moss needs to sit a while and let someone else get some play.I think he needs some motivation. Maybe that is why he was playing secondary reciever and returning punts

[gobigred]

:violin:

If it looks like a double standard, and quacks like a double standard....Ima call it a double standard. What you're telling me is that its Okay for Riggins and Clark to whine and complain and pull off stunts and tricks because they still won SBs, but its not okay for Moss and Portis because they haven't won a SB. The Cowboys won SBs too, are you saying that Irvin wasn't a cancer or a distraction? What about Leon Lett. According to you and many of the Riggins defenders, because they still won, it doesn't matter.

SB teams can have cancers and distractions too. And NON-SB teams can be teams that DO NOT HAVE CANCERS too.

And for the record (and everybody who's criticizing me), I do not have a problem with Riggins's missing practices and walking out on his coach, showing up drunk, etc...I think its part of what makes him unique. Same way I loved seeing Clark screaming for the ball and being his normal self, because it was part of what gave our team an identity. I'm not saying that either of them was a distraction or a cancer. But I am using them as an example to show that there are many characters and personalities on a football team. Not everybody is gonna have a Barry Sanders (hand the ball to the ref) or an Art Monk (keep ya mouf shut) attitude. As long as what's happening is inspiring the team, I'm cool with it - the same way Lawrence Taylor (another SB winner) would take a personal foul penalty to intimidate the other teams.

I understand your point. I think the problems are not just player issue on the field but more issue in the locker room that is affecting the entire team. I think that was what Riggins really was concerned about as well as the OL, and DL

[fullnelson9999]

"I'm bored, I'm broke, and I'm back."

Sorry Johnny Boy, but im having a little problem taking you seriously on this matter.

[Flycoach]

Riggins opinions are sometimes so far out in left field (Moss is the problem in the locker room. How the heck would HE know that?) that when he makes salient points (Jansen being old, for example) it's hard for me to take him seriously.

[G-Prime]

Riggins as good a player as he was.. Is a complete and utter tool on the radio.. I love the guy and I appreciate what he did on the field, but he's too busy trying to act cool or cute to be take seriously. Whenever he has a good point, it's by accident

[The Enforcer]

Riggins has always been hard on Moss and Portis and I am not really sure why. With Portis I think it is his way with the media but Moss I am not sure because he doesn't really talk with the media except for Kelly Johnson on the post game once in a while.

[Thinking Skins]

Save your violin captain 1998 because again you just don't get it. Until this group of over rated players win consistantly you are fighting a losing battle. You can buy all the Moss and Portis jersey's you want, they are still not that good.
Let me throw you a bone again, cancer is a bad thing, that until the advance of medical technology would break down the host body until that person died. Cancer is a evil destructive force. So if a team wins and gets better then that would mean there is no cancer, how do you win if the team is slowly dying. No team implosion and constantly winning equals cancer free, see how that works, good I knew you'd get it. Riggins, Irvin, LT, Lett and others my have had there off field issues, and in some cases demons, but the other 52 teammates of those players knew they would be there on Sunday and do whatever it takes to win. Terrell Owens is a classic team cancer, his type of antics divide a locker room and cost coaches jobs, Riggins just won baby and won big.
Also be a little more clearer when using the words cancer and distractions. John Elway possibly retiring was a distraction not cancer for the 98 Broncos, again see how that works and I tied that to my opening comment. I do agree that losing teams do not always have "cancer" type players, in that case they just aren't that good and still need to be replaced.
In short yes it is perfectly fine to have a ton of different characters on a team as long as they win. Isn't winning all that really matters in the NFL? Winning my friend is the difference between minor microscopic distractions and being a team cancer, in case you haven't figured it out.

OK, this is really getting off the topic of sports, but I'll entertain you.

I hope you're not trying to imply that nobody thats been diagnosed with cancer can accomplish anything great, cause I'd have to disagree.
- One of my best friends just got her Ph.D. AFTER she was diagnosed with BREAST CANCER.
- Lance Armstrong is a guy that was diagnosed with CANCER and went on to continue to dominate the Tour de France amongst other competitions.

Maybe you'll disagree with doctors and call these things "distractions", but well educated doctors (likely with more degrees in medicine than most people on this board combined) called these instances of CANCER, yet the people who were diagnosed were able to achieve success. Or maybe you are going to say that these things were not success. I don't know your point, but I don't think I agree with you that just the instance of cancer means that a team cannot be a winner, and I stand by the examples of Leon Lett and Michael Irvin amongst others (I find it odd that a REDSKINS FAN would say that Irvin was not a team cancer, but I digress).

The way I see it, some teams are just that talented that they are able to rise above the cancer and the distractions on their teams. Some teams are actually inspired to rise above the cancers on their teams and become determined NOT TO LET IT BE A DISTRACTION - at least during a brief playoff run. Would you say that the Raiders team of 83 with some of the that doped up on Steroids had cancers?

I'll even add that Deion Sanders is a guy that was known for his end Zone celebrations, and he won 3 championships. According to Riggins, "Prime Time" is a cancer too. According to you, he's a distraction.

But in the end, whether you agree with me or not, its all word play. If you want to make a big difference between a 'distraction' and a 'cancer', then you can go right ahead.

My point remains the same, that Riggo and Clark were neither. They were CHARACTERS, and these CHARACTERS - along with the dominance of the Hogs, the humility of Darrell Green and Art Monk, the wisdom of Gibbs, the ongoing splits with the Cowboys, etc. made up a team personality that many fans across the nation fell in love with.

I see the same things with Clinton Portis and Santana Moss (and Chris Cooley, funny that he's not mentioned in most of these "get rid of ___" posts). These are some talented players who give their all on Sundays and each are their own character that does its part to give the team a personality. The reason we're not winning super bowls is because we have yet to find a coach with the wisdom of Gibbs I to come along and rally the troops back into a winning position.

[Thinking Skins]

I understand your point. I think the problems are not just player issue on the field but more issue in the locker room that is affecting the entire team. I think that was what Riggins really was concerned about as well as the OL, and DL

I don't have a problem with that. But the thing is that unless Riggins names names, then he's no better than a JLC - going around spreading roomers about locker room division that may or may not exist - and thats why I call him a hater. To me Riggins is now a media personality. His job is to talk about the news, and when there is no news, he will create news to fill air time on his shows.

I find it so freakin funny that in 2007, Riggo was on his show on 92.7 talking about how much better of a QB Jason Campbell was than Eli Manning. Then all of a sudden in 2008, Riggo has seen the light and is talking about "Campbell doesn't have this", "Campbell doesn't have that", etc. He's not 'reporting' the news, he's creating news.

Case and point: If the title of this thread had been "Somebody on Sirius thinks Moss is a cancer", this story wouldn't have gotten half the responses. The idea of Moss being a cancer/distraction has been discussed at length, and so it would have garnered a few new people into the discussion and then died off, as most of these do. But the thing is that we have "Riggo called out Moss". And that causes a 'divide' in Redskins nation because many fans think they have to choose sides between Moss and Riggo.

I don't think I need to. I say if you look closely at the Riggo of then and the Moss of now (or the CP of now), then you see the same thing, people who were CHARACTERS on a team. Maybe Moss is dividing the locker room, but no more than Riggins's schenanigans divided the team in the 70s and 80s. And thats why I say its a double standard to expect everybody to be a Darrell Green or Art Monk when it comes to humility. It'd be one thing if DG or AM said it, but when the guy saying it WAS A CHARACTER HIMSELF, I call that a double standard.

And just like I argued that Gary Clark was the best WR in the NFL in the 80s and 90s, I'm going to argue that CP, Moss, and Cooley are some of the better players in this league right now.

[Loyal2Washington]

OK, this is really getting off the topic of sports, but I'll entertain you.

I hope you're not trying to imply that nobody thats been diagnosed with cancer can accomplish anything great, cause I'd have to disagree.
- One of my best friends just got her Ph.D. AFTER she was diagnosed with BREAST CANCER.
- Lance Armstrong is a guy that was diagnosed with CANCER and went on to continue to dominate the Tour de France amongst other competitions.

Maybe you'll disagree with doctors and call these things "distractions", but well educated doctors (likely with more degrees in medicine than most people on this board combined) called these instances of CANCER, yet the people who were diagnosed were able to achieve success. Or maybe you are going to say that these things were not success. I don't know your point, but I don't think I agree with you that just the instance of cancer means that a team cannot be a winner, and I stand by the examples of Leon Lett and Michael Irvin amongst others (I find it odd that a REDSKINS FAN would say that Irvin was not a team cancer, but I digress).

The way I see it, some teams are just that talented that they are able to rise above the cancer and the distractions on their teams. Some teams are actually inspired to rise above the cancers on their teams and become determined NOT TO LET IT BE A DISTRACTION - at least during a brief playoff run. Would you say that the Raiders team of 83 with some of the that doped up on Steroids had cancers?

I'll even add that Deion Sanders is a guy that was known for his end Zone celebrations, and he won 3 championships. According to Riggins, "Prime Time" is a cancer too. According to you, he's a distraction.

But in the end, whether you agree with me or not, its all word play. If you want to make a big difference between a 'distraction' and a 'cancer', then you can go right ahead.

My point remains the same, that Riggo and Clark were neither. They were CHARACTERS, and these CHARACTERS - along with the dominance of the Hogs, the humility of Darrell Green and Art Monk, the wisdom of Gibbs, the ongoing splits with the Cowboys, etc. made up a team personality that many fans across the nation fell in love with.

I see the same things with Clinton Portis and Santana Moss (and Chris Cooley, funny that he's not mentioned in most of these "get rid of ___" posts). These are some talented players who give their all on Sundays and each are their own character that does its part to give the team a personality. The reason we're not winning super bowls is because we have yet to find a coach with the wisdom of Gibbs I to come along and rally the troops back into a winning position.
Please re-read my post, see that little disclaimer I put in there that said "before the advance of medical technology"? Didn't think so, so next time try to respond to the actual post not your version of the post.
Your posts show how much of a waste a time it is to respond to someone that just doesn't get it. It's posters like you that do not take the time to fully read and understand the entire post that make the quailty of conversation and debate poor. As for the rest of your post it's just a futile attempt at this point to respond.

[WigSkin]

Maybe Riggo understands that being controversial is a sure fire way to staying in the public eye? so he says these things to get people yapping about him and how he's hard on the 'Skins, after all the media and fans lap it up; ensuring he stays in the limelight.

Maybe he just doesn't like certain players and the way they conduct themselves; maybe he's jealous or maybe he's smarter than the rest of us as we all offer our opinions for zip whilst he gets paid to stir it up a little?

None of us know for sure, but anyone who knows JR will take much of what he says with a pinch of salt. He is one crazy cat, always was and always will be.

Personally I don't agree with much of what he says but I still have a chuckle when I hear/read it and I figure if anyone has earned the right to talk trash it's Riggins and I bet if you spoke to him he'd be aware of the irony of some of his comments. If you don't like it, ignore it.

[GothSkinsFan]

I forget, did Jim Riggins play with Scott Brunell or Santonio Randle-El?
LOL, he played with Billy Kilmer and Danny Buggs! :D

(I found my 1978 Skins press guide and wow is it a trip back down memory lane.)

[martin49]

EXACTLY.

Maybe some people should start taking Riggins a bit more seriously. :2cents:

I'm the biggest Riggins fan in the world. He's just as frustrated as everyone else . I've actually heard better suggestions from people on this site.

[Papabear]

I'm the biggest Riggins fan in the world. He's just as frustrated as everyone else . I've actually heard better suggestions from people on this site.


I understand, but my point is maybe people shouldnt stick up for the players so much just because they wear a Redskins jersey.

[Sebowski]

Riggins is an authority on locker room character now? What's next, Deon going to criticize corners for not tackling?

Riggins has turned into a joke. Too bad too.

[Spade]

Riggins is an authority on locker room character now? What's next, Deon going to criticize corners for not tackling?

Riggins has turned into a joke. Too bad too.

I think Riggins wants to run the team. :rolleyes: