Just Curious (Clinton Portis)

[we_want_56]

For all of you who have hopped off the CP bandwagon, because he gets of your nerves...(BTW this is in no way a shot at Jmich, as his post actually implied him caring about the good of the team)

Just Curious, where were you when we were 6-2??? I can answer that, you were making threads saying CP is the man, and he should when MVP

And now you're the same ones bashing him?

First of all, I in no way condone his behavior, ANd I honestly think somebody needs to tell him the get off the Radio, and Keep our Problems in house....

But to start suggesting that we trade him, and to act like you never wanted him here, is Asinine, Idiotic, Stupid, and Childish...Outside of MCD5 just about every person on here has posts all the way through their post history, talking about how great he is....

So what changed...Somebody like John Riggins comes on and calls him a cancer, so you say because he's a skins Legend his word is Bond.


Well guess what that same guy who won us the superbowl in 81, walked out on this team over a contract dispute...Does he have selective memory?

Yeah I love 44 just like I love 28, 81, and the rest of the skins legends...but am I honestly supposed to listen to him, when he talks about a me-first guy destroying a team.

Riggins sat at home and let us go a season without him...CP has never missed a game outside of being injured.


So let me get this straight the guy who will walk out on us because of money is a Hero, but the guy who criticizes a coach, who flat out did an sorry job in the second half of the season is Cancer and must be banished...

Disregard the fact that CP was the one to carry us to 6-2, while everything was going so great here? Disregard that we are struggling in the passing game, but have a Pro Bowl RB....Disregard the fact that he put us into the playoffs in 2005...Dis regard the fact that he has had 4 diffferent seasons better than Riggins best one (yardage wise)


So I guess my question is, are you willing to just throw away CP and the way he leaves his heart on that field every sunday, over a couple comments made in the media? While the same guy that many look up to around here as a legend walked out on this team years ago?

Just Curious?

[we_want_56]

ANd By the way Im in no way discounting whar Riggins did for this team....I'm just saying if CP is a Cancer who should be cut what was Riggins?

[Chiefinonhaze]

Exactly great post. Trade Portis!!????!!! I can't believe people on here want to trade the 2nd all time leader in Redskins rushing at age 27, for a 2nd round pick:doh:

It baffles me. Honestly, what 2nd round pick out there could match the production of 1500 yards and the amazing blocking he does? He is the face of the franchise. He led us to two playoff runs in the last 4 years. There is no way you can trade a guy like that.

If he was 29-30 years old, then yeah go for it. But he still has 3-4 1500 yards seasons left in him. If we can somehow assemble a passing attack and a good defense in one of those seasons, we will win a superbowl. You don't trade away that type of talent.

The same people crying to trade him, are the ones who praised us for beating the Broncos in that trade. Saying we got the better end of the deal.

[we_want_56]

Exactly great post. Trade Portis!!????!!! I can't believe people on here want to trade the 2nd all time leader in Redskins rushing at age 27, for a 2nd round pick:doh:

It baffles me. Honestly, what 2nd round pick out there could match the production of 1500 yards and the amazing blocking he does? He is the face of the franchise. He led us to two playoff runs in the last 4 years. There is no way you can trade a guy like that.

If he was 29-30 years old, then yeah go for it. But he still has 3-4 1500 yards seasons left in him. If we can somehow assemble a passing attack and a good defense in one of those seasons, we will win a superbowl. You don't trade away that type of talent.

The same people crying to trade him, are the ones who praised us for beating the Broncos in that trade. Saying we got the better end of the deal.

finally a voice of reason

[refhaf4L]

For all of you who have hopped off the CP bandwagon, because he gets of your nerves...(BTW this is in no way a shot at Jmich, as his post actually implied him caring about the good of the team)

Just Curious, where were you when we were 6-2??? I can answer that, you were making threads saying CP is the man, and he should when MVP

And now you're the same ones bashing him?

First of all, I in no way condone his behavior, ANd I honestly think somebody needs to tell him the get off the Radio, and Keep our Problems in house....

But to start suggesting that we trade him, and to act like you never wanted him here, is Asinine, Idiotic, Stupid, and Childish...Outside of MCD5 just about every person on here has posts all the way through their post history, talking about how great he is....

So what changed...Somebody like John Riggins comes on and calls him a cancer, so you say because he's a skins Legend his word is Bond.


Well guess what that same guy who won us the superbowl in 81, walked out on this team over a contract dispute...Does he have selective memory?

Yeah I love 44 just like I love 28, 81, and the rest of the skins legends...but am I honestly supposed to listen to him, when he talks about a me-first guy destroying a team.

Riggins sat at home and let us go a season without him...CP has never missed a game outside of being injured.


So let me get this straight the guy who will walk out on us because of money is a Hero, but the guy who criticizes a coach, who flat out did an sorry job in the second half of the season is Cancer and must be banished...

Disregard the fact that CP was the one to carry us to 6-2, while everything was going so great here? Disregard that we are struggling in the passing game, but have a Pro Bowl RB....Disregard the fact that he put us into the playoffs in 2005...Dis regard the fact that he has had 4 diffferent seasons better than Riggins best one (yardage wise)


So I guess my question is, are you willing to just throw away CP and the way he leaves his heart on that field every sunday, over a couple comments made in the media? While the same guy that many look up to around here as a legend walked out on this team years ago?

Just Curious?

CP is a hell of a football player no doubt...but what a prick! Throwing a first year coach under the bus for the team and the rest of the DC media to fester and stew on, while the team is trying to regroup from a bad stretch of games. Since the only thing you really need in the nfl to be a good running back is a great line, wait let me re phrase: since any athlete can put up big numbers behind a great line, (Ward, Jacobs, Bradshaw are examples for the Giants) CP can f&*K off. Seriously. We ain't going to the super bowl with him, and without him we'd still probably be mediocre...who cares.

[refhaf4L]

ANd By the way Im in no way discounting whar Riggins did for this team....I'm just saying if CP is a Cancer who should be cut what was Riggins?

John Riggins was a beast. He was huge. His off field antics were his problem--he like booze and ass too much...can you blame him. Portis threw his coach under the bus...he's a punk.

[HailGreen28]

CP is a hell of a football player no doubt...but what a prick! Throwing a first year coach under the bus for the team and the rest of the DC media to fester and stew on, while the team is trying to regroup from a bad stretch of games. Since the only thing you really need in the nfl to be a good running back is a great line, wait let me re phrase: since any athlete can put up big numbers behind a great line, (Ward, Jacobs, Bradshaw are examples for the Giants) CP can f&*K off. Seriously. We ain't going to the super bowl with him, and without him we'd still probably be mediocre...who cares.To be fair, Coach Zorn doesn't keep things "in house" himself. We're not in the Gibbs administration anymore, for better or worse.

And you've got good points, I'd just submit that a RB like Portis can make a good line great. If we could get a good line that could stay healthy.

[we_want_56]

CP is a hell of a football player no doubt...but what a prick! Throwing a first year coach under the bus for the team and the rest of the DC media to fester and stew on, while the team is trying to regroup from a bad stretch of games. Since the only thing you really need in the nfl to be a good running back is a great line, wait let me re phrase: since any athlete can put up big numbers behind a great line, (Ward, Jacobs, Bradshaw are examples for the Giants) CP can f&*K off. Seriously. We ain't going to the super bowl with him, and without him we'd still probably be mediocre...who cares.


Funny...But On October, 31 2008 (while we were still winning) your exact words were:


our running game will totally suck without CP.

No Offense or anything, but I keep seeing this on this Board.

[chipwhich]

Coming from a guy who wants lavar....kind of amusing.

[we_want_56]

Coming from a guy who wants lavar....kind of amusing.

I signed onto this site when LaVar was on the bench in 05, in favor of Warrwick Holdman...When Warrick Holman is in the game, who doesn't want LaVar? lol

[McD5]

Good thread. Should be some interesting responses.

I believe I know the answers....but am curious to hear what others say.

[we_want_56]

Good thread. Should be some interesting responses.

I believe I know the answers....but am curious to hear what others say.

Im sure there will be...waiting on the bashing, but it won't be the 1st or last time, so I can handle it.

[SpringfieldSkins]

Portis is without a doubt my favorite Redskin.


I think it is disrespectful and in no way, shape or form beneficial to the team for him to go on live radio and air his grievances. A total hot dog move from him. I have no respect for actions like that.


Aside from that, I love Portis as a player. He has heart, he has guts, he's a gamer. However, he's not going to be playing to this level forever. We need to find somebody to fill his shoes and soon. Betts isn't the answer. We need a young fresh back to spell Portis next season and take over for him, most likely, 2 seasons from now.


That's my story and I've stuck to if for quite some time now.

[.Guy.]

I think Portis is a great player but the stuff he does off the field hurts the team more then his performances on the field.

I just think he cares more about his own personal achievements then winning and getting into the playoffs. I believe this attitude is finding its way into the locker room and creating a divide in the team.

There are those that buy into the system and those that don't. Portis doesn't and because hes so well known it creeps its way into the minds of other players.

[derekc4]

If we could get a 2nd round pick, I say trade his ass! We could trade a little lower and pick up Duke and trade up for Alex Mack! Can you say betts and 1500 yards in the same sentence??! Of course we have to make all the necessary cuts to afford the move, but anyone who thinks this wouldn't be an upgrade isn't thinking this through.

[SpringfieldSkins]

I just think he cares more about his own personal achievements then winning and getting into the playoffs. I believe this attitude is finding its way into the locker room and creating a divide in the team.


And this is a guy who is supposed to be a "leader" on our team. Those qualities aren't very endearing of a good leader if you ask me.

[Chiefinonhaze]

If we could get a 2nd round pick, I say trade his ass! We could trade a little lower and pick up Duke and trade up for Alex Mack! Can you say betts and 1500 yards in the same sentence??!


Betts. 1500 yards?!!?? :doh: These are the RB's that were around the 1500 yard range this year:

Turner, Peterson, Deangello Williams, and CP.

Thats 4 Rb's. Are you honestly saying Ladell Betts is on that level? There is no way Betts could put up that type of production without getting injured like he always does.

Even if we did draft Duke, do you think he will step right in and be better than Randy Thomas? Kendall? Kendall was one of our better lineman last year. Why sacrifice a better player for youth

[THUNDERDOME]

Funny...But On October, 31 2008 (while we were still winning) your exact words were:



No Offense or anything, but I keep seeing this on this Board.
I love seeing this kinda stuff. Flip floppers.

[derekc4]

Betts. 1500 yards?!!?? :doh: These are the RB's that were around the 1500 yard range this year:

Turner, Peterson, Deangello Williams, and CP.

Thats 4 Rb's. Are you honestly saying Ladell Betts is on that level? There is no way Betts could put up that type of production without getting injured like he always does.

Even if we did draft Duke, do you think he will step right in and be better than Randy Thomas? Kendall? Kendall was one of our better lineman last year. Why sacrifice a better player for youth

Duke and Mack will improve the line enough to where Betts can get at least 1200.

[Skinz248]

Duke and Mack will improve the line enough to where Betts can get at least 1200.

Betts wouldn't have had 1000 yards this past season if he played all 16 games and got 30 carries a game. BETTS IS NOT PORTIS. Get the **** out of hear with this nonsense. Betts had the oline when they were still a little younger. In 2006 our line was making holes for EVERYONE. Lets see where Betts had big games in 2006.

Betts - Week 3 - Houston - 124 yards on 16 carries, 1 TD, and 27 yards on 3 catches..
CP - Week 3 - Houston - 86 yards on 16 carries, 2 TDs, and 78 yards on 2 catches.

The rest is Betts only since Portis was hurt in any other big game Betts had...
Week 12 - Carolina - 104 yards on 24 carries, 0 TDs, 4 yards on 2 catches...
Week 13 - Atlanta - 155 yards on 28 carries, 1 TD, 18 yards on 3 catches...
Week 14 - Philly - 171 yards on 33 carries, 0 TDs, 14 yards on 2 catches...
Week 15 - Saints - 119 yards on 22 carries, 0 TDs, 43 yards on 3 catches...
Week 16 - Rams - 129 yards on 29 carries, 2 TDs, 35 yards on 2 catches...

The rankings of the RUSH defenses of the teams listed above are:
Houston - 20th
Carolina - 11th
Atlanta - 9th
Philly - 26th
Saints - 23rd
Rams - 31st

With the exception of 2 of theses games, they are all in the bottom 1/3 of the leauge, most in the bottom 10! What a JOKE.

Do you guys understand what CP would have did to these defenses in 2006? Are you guys on crack? Like I have said since Portis joined this team, he is the best player on this team and gives the most every SUNDAY. Riggins is just bitching because hes not the "best" Redskins RB anymore. WAH WAH WAHHHH

[we_want_56]

If we could get a 2nd round pick, I say trade his ass! We could trade a little lower and pick up Duke and trade up for Alex Mack! Can you say betts and 1500 yards in the same sentence??! Of course we have to make all the necessary cuts to afford the move, but anyone who thinks this wouldn't be an upgrade isn't thinking this through.


You upgrade the Line,Then downgrade the back....How is that improving the team?

And there's a reason why Betts wasn't getting the carries to spell CP this year, and we ran him into the ground...Betts was unproductive.

[stp240]

I dont agree at all with the support of CP

Everyone here is a supporter of CP on the field

But this week we all learned about the CP off the field!


So of course our opinions of him changed! There are certain things that "Redskins" or good character people do not do. And CP really hit an all time low as far as respect goes, NOT as a player, but as a person....

no love for CP

[jfriedenthal]

Honestly.... Clinton Portis is just about the ONLY back in this league who could get any kind of yards in our current scenario. We need a tough bruiser, and a good one with that style is hard to come by. Now.... with that said... once we get a better O-Line and an established run game..... if he is still spewing his mouth like he is now..... Ditch his ass. We don't need or want that in Washington. I think Clinton is a BEAST.... but he does need to show respect to his bosses, and coaches. They all have the same goal in mind.

[Flycoach]

I don't know what CP has done that is supposedly so bad. What "bad" behavior has he displayed that would have to be condoned? No arrests, no fights, no slapping of women, no gunshots to his leg. I mean, he doesn't even do the characters anymore. Give me a break.

[maskedsuperstar]

Exactly great post. Trade Portis!!????!!! I can't believe people on here want to trade the 2nd all time leader in Redskins rushing at age 27, for a 2nd round pick:doh:

It baffles me. Honestly, what 2nd round pick out there could match the production of 1500 yards and the amazing blocking he does? He is the face of the franchise. He led us to two playoff runs in the last 4 years. There is no way you can trade a guy like that.

If he was 29-30 years old, then yeah go for it. But he still has 3-4 1500 yards seasons left in him. If we can somehow assemble a passing attack and a good defense in one of those seasons, we will win a superbowl. You don't trade away that type of talent.

The same people crying to trade him, are the ones who praised us for beating the Broncos in that trade. Saying we got the better end of the deal.

I like Portis, but he can be replaced.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2009RB.php

I wish the Skins could land Moreno but they can't take him in the first round. CJ Spiller, Donald Brown, Shonn Green, Devin Moore

[maskedsuperstar]

I don't know what CP has done that is supposedly so bad. What "bad" behavior has he displayed that would have to be condoned? No arrests, no fights, no slapping of women, no gunshots to his leg. I mean, he doesn't even do the characters anymore. Give me a break.

Well, if there are any problems, keep it in house. Don't go running your mouth on the John Thompson show.

[Mr.Skinbo]

For all of you who have hopped off the CP bandwagon, because he gets of your nerves...(BTW this is in no way a shot at Jmich, as his post actually implied him caring about the good of the team)

Just Curious, where were you when we were 6-2??? I can answer that, you were making threads saying CP is the man, and he should when MVP

And now you're the same ones bashing him?

First of all, I in no way condone his behavior, ANd I honestly think somebody needs to tell him the get off the Radio, and Keep our Problems in house....

But to start suggesting that we trade him, and to act like you never wanted him here, is Asinine, Idiotic, Stupid, and Childish...Outside of MCD5 just about every person on here has posts all the way through their post history, talking about how great he is....

So what changed...Somebody like John Riggins comes on and calls him a cancer, so you say because he's a skins Legend his word is Bond.


Well guess what that same guy who won us the superbowl in 81, walked out on this team over a contract dispute...Does he have selective memory?

Yeah I love 44 just like I love 28, 81, and the rest of the skins legends...but am I honestly supposed to listen to him, when he talks about a me-first guy destroying a team.

Riggins sat at home and let us go a season without him...CP has never missed a game outside of being injured.


So let me get this straight the guy who will walk out on us because of money is a Hero, but the guy who criticizes a coach, who flat out did an sorry job in the second half of the season is Cancer and must be banished...

Disregard the fact that CP was the one to carry us to 6-2, while everything was going so great here? Disregard that we are struggling in the passing game, but have a Pro Bowl RB....Disregard the fact that he put us into the playoffs in 2005...Dis regard the fact that he has had 4 diffferent seasons better than Riggins best one (yardage wise)


So I guess my question is, are you willing to just throw away CP and the way he leaves his heart on that field every sunday, over a couple comments made in the media? While the same guy that many look up to around here as a legend walked out on this team years ago?

Just Curious?

You took the words right outta my mouth, I love CP as an athlete but when it comes to speaking with the media, he isn't the right skin for the job. Honestly CP has great field vision and is a smart football player, but as an individual in everyday life he's an idiot, he never says the right thing. Honestly when CP started the interview i seriously doubt that he ment to throw the coaching staff under the buss (In particular Jim Zorn without saying it).

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

So I guess my question is, are you willing to just throw away CP and the way he leaves his heart on that field every sunday, over a couple comments made in the media?

I'm not sure if its Portis' fault or Zorn's fault... I don't think any of us do at this point. But, the Redskins will never play as a unit as long as their "leader" constantly places himself above team.

The question is, which one of these two clowns is really "the leader"?

[SolidSnake84]

Portis was a good running back when things were going good and he was able to get those hard yards.

But when the team started struggling, he showed his true colors. Cursing out his coach on live TV, then throwing the team and coach under the bus, to me was the unexcusable. He is a piece of garbage and a locker room cancer.

No one will want to come here and play, as long as we have trash like that in our locker room. Even when they signed Shaun Alexander, who knew he was coming in as a backup, Portis pouted and was generally so jealous each time Alexander stepped on the field, that he couldn't see straight. It's maddening.

At least most people on the board realize that he would be gone by now for his attitude, if it wasn't for the ridiculously high and overpaid salary that is guaranteed through next season.

[jmich]

No more ESPN 980 for CP. That will solve this problem. Please Danny Boy, politelity ask CP to stay off your radio station. Oh wait, maybe he is creating ratings each Tuesday.....

[WigSkin]

Personally I think Portis should keep his mouth shut, but I cannot agree with any calls to trade him etc! He WAS our offence for the first half of the season, papering over the cracks we had in other areas and giving Campbell the opportunity to have the 'time' he needs to make plays. The problem is when CP starts to play injured or lose a bit of form the other players around him can't or won't step up and take a little responsibility and bear some of the burden. In that situation, I'd be pretty cheesed off too, but yes he should keep this in house.

If it wasn't for CP and our defense (in the most part) we would have had a dreadful season, trade CP and we would have one next year. IMO.

:2cents:

[paloosa]

I am in total agreement with what the OP has to say. If you look at Portis' numbers and compare them to anyone in history and he is up there with every great RB. Zorn needs to keep Portis on his side or Zorn will be gone. Zorn is an ex-QB so he thinks that throwing the ball is the formula to winning just like Spurrier, Reid, Holmgren and every other WCO guru. But if you don't have a running game your QB is just like a bag of groceries. SACKED. So Zorn needs to stick with a winning formula and not one that relies on a QB to throw 35 to 40 times a game to win a game. Smash-mouth football wins games not throwing the ball and hoping that your QB doesn't get destroyed in the process. Our 6-2 start proves it and the same for our 2-6 second half collapse proves what throwing to win can do. So advice to Zorn: Run the ball with PORTIS!!!!! Advice to Portis: Stay off the airways and keep things in house.

[jmich]

I am in total agreement with what the OP has to say. If you look at Portis' numbers and compare them to anyone in history and he is up there with every great RB. Zorn needs to keep Portis on his side or Zorn will be gone. Zorn is an ex-QB so he thinks that throwing the ball is the formula to winning just like Spurrier, Reid, Holmgren and every other WCO guru. But if you don't have a running game your QB is just like a bag of groceries. SACKED. So Zorn needs to stick with a winning formula and not one that relies on a QB to throw 35 to 40 times a game to win a game. Smash-mouth football wins games not throwing the ball and hoping that your QB doesn't get destroyed in the process. Our 6-2 start proves it and the same for our 2-6 second half collapse proves what throwing to win can do. So advice to Zorn: Run the ball with PORTIS!!!!! Advice to Portis: Stay off the airways and keep things in house.

I agree, this team needs to be able to run the ball in order to sustain drives and score. But how can we keep running the ball when CP averaged 2.8 yards a carry during the last 5 games? I think Zorn would run him more, but when you are running against a brick wall, there is only so much a human being can do. We have to be able to throw the ball as well.

[#98QBKiller]

Good post man. That's why I get annoyed everytime Riggins questions CP's integrity.

[G-Prime]

For all of you who have hopped off the CP bandwagon, because he gets of your nerves...(BTW this is in no way a shot at Jmich, as his post actually implied him caring about the good of the team)

Just Curious, where were you when we were 6-2??? I can answer that, you were making threads saying CP is the man, and he should when MVP

And now you're the same ones bashing him?

First of all, I in no way condone his behavior, ANd I honestly think somebody needs to tell him the get off the Radio, and Keep our Problems in house....

But to start suggesting that we trade him, and to act like you never wanted him here, is Asinine, Idiotic, Stupid, and Childish...Outside of MCD5 just about every person on here has posts all the way through their post history, talking about how great he is....

So what changed...Somebody like John Riggins comes on and calls him a cancer, so you say because he's a skins Legend his word is Bond.


Well guess what that same guy who won us the superbowl in 81, walked out on this team over a contract dispute...Does he have selective memory?

Yeah I love 44 just like I love 28, 81, and the rest of the skins legends...but am I honestly supposed to listen to him, when he talks about a me-first guy destroying a team.

Riggins sat at home and let us go a season without him...CP has never missed a game outside of being injured.


So let me get this straight the guy who will walk out on us because of money is a Hero, but the guy who criticizes a coach, who flat out did an sorry job in the second half of the season is Cancer and must be banished...

Disregard the fact that CP was the one to carry us to 6-2, while everything was going so great here? Disregard that we are struggling in the passing game, but have a Pro Bowl RB....Disregard the fact that he put us into the playoffs in 2005...Dis regard the fact that he has had 4 diffferent seasons better than Riggins best one (yardage wise)


So I guess my question is, are you willing to just throw away CP and the way he leaves his heart on that field every sunday, over a couple comments made in the media? While the same guy that many look up to around here as a legend walked out on this team years ago?

Just Curious?

He wasn't making an ass out of himself when we were 6-2 either.. Measure of a man's character isn't shown when times are good, but when times are bad. Everyone knows that. CP's character is great when he's getting what he wants.. Not so much when things aren't going how he thinks they should

[hiswadeness]

I'd trade one of my nuts for a SB win. So dont think CP is more imporntant than lefty.

[refhaf4L]

Funny...But On October, 31 2008 (while we were still winning) your exact words were:



No Offense or anything, but I keep seeing this on this Board.


What? I'm not allowed to change my opinion about someone after he throws his line and his coach under the bus? On October 31st (while we were still winning) he was keeping his mouth shut and playing football. You can go dig up all kinds of quotes if you'd like. What I said then I still stand by, take away his yards and we would have had a lifeless offense. But he gets the ball more than any other back in the NFL. You don't think there are any 50-80 yard a game backs out there that would love to get the ball 29 times a game? That keep their mouths shut and play football?

Just in his being here in Washington, the offense goes through him, if you take him away the offense finds another way to produce. Becomes more balanced. I've been a skins fan my whole life...Running backs have come and gone here. We still won 3 super bowls though. Do you know what we had then that we don't now? Hint: Running backs are not the answer. So shhhh. CP is starting to remind me of a dumb version of Tiki Barber, where was that guy when the Giants got their Lombardi.

Remember this CP supporters, it's easy to be quiet when things are going well. A man's true colors come out when things get tough, how they respond and adjust to a situation is ultimately how they will be remebered.

[Skinz248]

What? I'm not allowed to change my opinion about someone after he throws his line and his coach under the bus? On October 31st (while we were still winning) he was keeping his mouth shut and playing football. You can go dig up all kinds of quotes if you'd like. What I said then I still stand by, take away his yards and we would have had a lifeless offense. But he gets the ball more than any other back in the NFL. You don't think there are any 50-80 yard a game backs out there that would love to get the ball 29 times a game? That keep their mouths shut and play football?

Just in his being here in Washington, the offense goes through him, if you take him away the offense finds another way to produce. Becomes more balanced. I've been a skins fan my whole life...Running backs have come and gone here. We still won 3 super bowls though. Do you know what we had then that we don't know? Hint: Running backs are not the answer. So shhhh. CP is starting to remind me of a dumb version of Tiki Barber, where was that guy when the Giants got their Lombardi.

Remember this CP supporters, it's easy to be quiet when things are going well. A man's true colors come out when things get tough, how they respond and adjust to a situation is ultimately how they will be remebered.

29 carries a game? I guess NFL.com stats are wrong when it says he had an average of 21 carries a game. Only one play has less carries per game then CP and more yards.... GET REAL PEOPLE

[Dick Edds]

personally, i am not suggesting we trade Portis, I think he needs to be pout in his place and be reprimanded though. he is undermining the TEAM when he speaks out against the coaching staff to the media, and Dan Snyder is letting it happen and making it harder for Zorn to actually gain control of this team and implement what he has been tasked to do.

Most reasonable people can see this, it's not about just souring on him and letting him go because he irks us with his immaturity, it's about doing what is best for the TEAM. I want Portis, but I want him to STFU and just play ... he gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to play a game, he is not a coach.

First and foremost I am a Skins fan, if Portis is a part of that ... great, I love his effort when he's playing. But if this team has to improve, and he is being a detriment to the team he needs to be put in his place or get the ef outta here. Just my $.02.

[refhaf4L]

29 carries a game? I guess NFL.com stats are wrong when it says he had an average of 21 carries a game. Only one play has less carries per game then CP and more yards.... GET REAL PEOPLE

I believe he got the ball 29 times against cinci, after he pissed his pants on the air to JT. If I said he averaged 29 carries I mispoke. But you get it right, he's the crux of our offense, has more of a part in the running game for his team than 99.9% of the other backs in this league, and he turns into a flat out beeatch when things are not going well...

[Skinz248]

personally, i am not suggesting we trade Portis, I think he needs to be pout in his place and be reprimanded though. he is undermining the TEAM when he speaks out against the coaching staff to the media, and Dan Snyder is letting it happen and making it harder for Zorn to actually gain control of this team and implement what he has been tasked to do.

Most reasonable people can see this, it's not about just souring on him and letting him go because he irks us with his immaturity, it's about doing what is best for the TEAM. I want Portis, but I want him to STFU and just play ... he gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to play a game, he is not a coach.

First and foremost I am a Skins fan, if Portis is a part of that ... great, I love his effort when he's playing. But if this team has to improve, and he is being a detriment to the team he needs to be put in his place or get the ef outta here. Just my $.02.

Maybe Portis is speaking out because he knows the OLD running game WORKED / WORKS better than the NEW running game? Would you like me to bring up the stats from the first 8 games vs. the last 8 games? If Zorn changed the running game to suit Shaun Alexander when the running game was working just fine, I would ***** too.

That is like you working at your job and having a system in place that works PERFECTLY fine and then they hire a former employee and change the system to benefit that person. It just happened that the OLD system (first 8 weeks) worked much better than the new system (last 8 weeks).

If you knew the old system was better you wouldn't speak up about it? I agree that he could have kept it in house, but I doubt Zorn wants to hear about it.

[Skinz248]

I believe he got the ball 29 times against cinci, after he pissed his pants on the air to JT. If I said he averaged 29 carries I mispoke. But you get it right, he's the crux of our offense, has more of a part in the running game for his team than 99.9% of the other backs in this league, and he turns into a flat out beeatch when things are not going well...

He turned into a beeatch because of the fact that the running game was CHANGED when there was NOTHING wrong with it.

[refhaf4L]

No team in histroy can sustain a prolific running attack like the one we had initially when the passing game is flopping like it did after teams realized the formula for defending the Skins. So it's unfair to blame the lack of production on the change. You telling me he can't adapt to a new hole to run through...come on. That's :censored: talk. Defense started to bring the wood and the passing game stunk. He needs to keep his mouth shut.

[LaxBuddy21]

No team in histroy can sustain a prolific running attack like the one we had initially when the passing game is flopping like it did after teams realized the formula for defending the Skins. So it's unfair to blame the lack of production on the change. You telling me he can't adapt to a new hole to run through...come on. That's pu%%y talk. Defense started to bring the wood and the passing game stunk. He needs to keep his mouth shut.

Of course he can run through a new hole....if there was one there to run through! You change the blocking scheme around that is meant to play to the line and the running backs strengths, you throw everyones timing off. Holes stop appearing and unless you expect CP to break 3 tackles to get to the second level, you are going to get less production. Our linemen are not athletic enough for the typical west coast run scheme.

All that being said, I do not know if Zorn changed the running scheme or not but if he did and I were CP, I would be beyond frustrated when holes that were there before are no longer there and Zorn is too stubborn to change things back. People can say he is not being about the team but the team rides on his production and he knows that. How can he help the team win if he is not getting holes to run through? The passing game sure wasn't going to help him. CP was our only shot to win until the passing game gets figured out. And I would prefer outspoken frustration to criminal activities any day of the week. They will get it worked out.

[Taylor4Life]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm one who advocates that the front office changes it's direction. In other words: I ADVOCATE THAT WE STOP OVERPAYING PLAYERS AT THE SKILL POSITIONS. If we invested most of the money in the trenches, we could throw a couple of John Doe 4th round draft pick RBs behind the O-Line and they'd do just fine.

It's nothing personal against Clinton Portis, but I think that it's ridiculous for a franchise to give up so much money for a position where most players don't last for more than four or five years.

Take a good look at the elite teams of the league. What you'll find are solid O and D-Lines coupled with good play at quarterback. Also, take a good look at the teams that suck. Do ya think that maybe Detroit should have invested picks in maybe lineman instead of all of those wide receivers?

[onnie007]

CP irreplaceable but Betts is though. We should have gotten a younger back to along with CP last year and gotten some picks for Betts. And while I don't agree with CP going on the JT show, he had some legitimate gripes this season with coach Zorn. Its just sad because CP will be the best RB in Redskin history after next season yet he is hearing nothing but negativity. I just hope he doesn't hear or read all of the crap written about him because he will be a HOFer and he will be one of ours.:2cents:

[JimmyConway]

First off, not many teams are willing to trade a 2nd round pick for a 27 yr. old back who has carried the ball 234273423 times. If teams want/need a RB they acquire them through the draft. So we are pretty much tied to CP until we can release him without taking a major cap hit which I believe isn't for another year or two. I have no problem with keeping CP for another year or two but the FO does need to start thinking about finding his replacement through the draft (hopefully 2010). :2cents:

[Dick Edds]

Maybe Portis is speaking out because he knows the OLD running game WORKED / WORKS better than the NEW running game? Would you like me to bring up the stats from the first 8 games vs. the last 8 games? If Zorn changed the running game to suit Shaun Alexander when the running game was working just fine, I would ***** too.

That is like you working at your job and having a system in place that works PERFECTLY fine and then they hire a former employee and change the system to benefit that person. It just happened that the OLD system (first 8 weeks) worked much better than the new system (last 8 weeks).

If you knew the old system was better you wouldn't speak up about it? I agree that he could have kept it in house, but I doubt Zorn wants to hear about it.

apples and oranges, trying to compare the corporate world with the NFL. If I didn't care about getting fired I would speak my mind, but I do. So i do what my boss' tell me to do. I don't care about Portis' feelings or what he "thinks" is the best way to run the offense. he needs to be concerned with being ready to play, knowing his assignments and trying to prepare his body as best possible to stay healthy. I love Portis, i want him to go down as the best Skins RB ever ... I want to see him win with this team.

My point though, is that Portis is the PLAYER, Zorn is the COACH ... end of story.

BTW - we cut Alexander after 4 games, so the thought that they changed the system to fit his style over Portis' doesn't hold much water to me and is nothing more than hearsay.

[Dick Edds]

no team in histroy can sustain a prolific running attack like the one we had initially when the passing game is flopping like it did after teams realized the formula for defending the skins. So it's unfair to blame the lack of production on the change. You telling me he can't adapt to a new hole to run through...come on. That's :censored: talk. Defense started to bring the wood and the passing game stunk. He needs to keep his mouth shut.

qft!

[Jimbo]

What veteran player out there would be happy to have a rookie HC, who has never even been a coordinator, call players out in the media? Zorn is walking a fine line here and needs to earn respect from his veteran players. Calling them out won't do that. In addition, each player handles that type of thing differently. Some will just let it go and others will take offense. Clinton is one of those guys who takes offense.

I'm not happy with his comments on the John Thompson Show but I wasn't happy with Zorn throwing guys under the bus either. For cap reasons, Clinton is simply NOT going anywhere. I just hope they can reach a happy medium and learn to get along or this thing will continue to escalate.

[derekc4]

Betts wouldn't have had 1000 yards this past season if he played all 16 games and got 30 carries a game.

Can you prove that? Or is that another ES bold assertion without evidence?

[onnie007]

what veteran player out there would be happy to have a rookie hc, who has never even been a coordinator, call players out in the media? Zorn is walking a fine line here and needs to earn respect from his veteran players. Calling them out won't do that. In addition, each player handles that type of thing differently. Some will just let it go and others will take offense. Clinton is one of those guys who takes offense.

I'm not happy with his comments on the john thompson show but i wasn't happy with zorn throwing guys under the bus either. For cap reasons, clinton is simply not going anywhere. I just hope they can reach a happy medium and learn to get along or this thing will continue to escalate.

qft!!!!!

[derekc4]

You upgrade the Line,Then downgrade the back....How is that improving the team?

And there's a reason why Betts wasn't getting the carries to spell CP this year, and we ran him into the ground...Betts was unproductive.

Hate to break it to you, but the starting offensive line is more important than your starting running back. You think the loss of Portis would be a big a hit as the improvement by two stud OL? You better rethink that one, buddy.

[derekc4]

Honestly.... Clinton Portis is just about the ONLY back in this league who could get any kind of yards in our current scenario.

I call BS. This comment is borderline moronic.

[Inigo Montoya]

Here's the problems with CP and people now jumping "off" his bandwagon, and by the way I love me some CP.

- Talking too much :censored: this year period. whether its the oline or the HC, he hasnt taken into account any personal responsibility for the team's lackluster second half of the season. Its everyone else's fault (by the way the same thing has me pissed at Zorn when he said it was simply execution). How about fumbling at the most inoportune times in games a few times this year? Or being held in check by defenses like the bengals?

-He's lost more than a step and if you cant see it you're blind. He cannot break off big runs and gets tackled from behind more than any other RB I watch in the NFL these days. His "burst" is dead gone and in the NFL RBs loose the tread on their tires seemingly overnight. Nothing against CP, bc we are the ones that made him a workhorse, but at the very least we need a change of pace back with the ability to take a screen or sweep to the house. You dont have to respect that with CP anymore. He cant be traded bc of his cap number, but he certainly needs to be spliting carries with someone from here on out and it shouldnt be Betts either, they are one in the same.

[Oldfan]

Just Curious, where were you when we were 6-2??? I can answer that, you were making threads saying CP is the man, and he should when MVP.

I never noticed Portis bashing his coach when we were 6-2. Why aren't you curious about that?

[SolidSnake84]

Portis got old overnight. He got counterproductive. Sure, it's easy for everyone to make statements like "CP's a beast" when the team was winning, but the bottom line is, any RB would have been good here when we were winning. Portis showed his true self when the going got tough.

Statements made by CP, the wonderful human being
"I wonder what it would be like to play behind a good offensive line"
"We got a genius for a head coach" (insulting zorn)
"Get the F out of my face" (said to zorn on live TV after he fumbled, covered extensively by Larry Michael and numerous post-game shows)

We are stuck with Portis sadly because of his cap hit we would take. So look foreward to another year or so of coach and teammate bashing.

[Oldfan]

We are stuck with Portis sadly because of his cap hit we would take. So look foreward to another year or so of coach and teammate bashing.

If it were my team, Clinton would be gone. The message I'd send is that no player questions my coach's decisions. No one.

[AKM311]

I never noticed Portis bashing his coach when we were 6-2. Why aren't you curious about that?

Becuase we were winning? We were dominant on the ground. We were effective in the air and Zorn hadn't showed his stubborness yet.

That is why some of us are not curious about that. I am not curious as to why people are bashing him, I just think people base opinions off of the small picture and very recent past instead of the big picture and overall performance and dedication to the team.

No one will agree on his value, but we can all agree that he is a warrior on the field.

[MassSkinsFan]

ww56,

Thanks for a good post. Unfortunately my time is limited so I haven't read the entire thread, just 1.5 pages of the 4 so far.

Your points are good and I too think it's ironic that Riggo is calling CP a team cancer.

Anyway, I think there are two factors at work - First, that CP went on radio to air grievances but Riggo didn't. Another poster (sorry - I forgot who) mentioned that Zorn is airing out grievances and that JJG didn't, and I do agree with this to an extent - but CP probably should have known that what's OK for the HC is still not a good idea for the star player. But hey, we all make mistakes - just ask Riggo. Second, in this day and age the stuff that used to be behind-the-scenes is now more like reality TV. So, things that Riggo did during his playing days didn't always get reported until after the season or even after his career, whereas the guys now can't even scratch an itch without in-depth analysis.

I think Portis is great - you know that he would do anything within his power to help this team win, and that any missteps he might have made were totally unintentional. But, I worry that the game must be taking a toll on him physically. I could understand if the right trade came along and the Skins moved him, but it would have to be the exact right move, and it would hurt a lot.

[Dick Edds]

If it were my team, Clinton would be gone. The message I'd send is that no player questions my coach's decisions. No one.

this is spot on ... no one is above the TEAM. He can have these conversations with Zorn, Dan or Cloey in private for all anyone cares about.

It's funny that he "learned so much about responsibility" and "becoming a man" after losing Sean Taylor, yet his behavior has gotten more selfish and worse with each week.

he is supposed to be a leader, he has no fcking clue what that means. His comments have done more damage to this team than folks are giving them credit for. If he supports Zorn publicly and holds himself accountable (even if it wasn't him) ... that's the kind of leadership that inspires players to play harder.

That is Joe Gibbs leadership, taking the complete blame for a loss due to a blown timeout call against the Bills. Knowing the team had many chances to win that game. That inspired his players, all the Gibbs bashing after that motivated the team and united them. That is one characteristic Zorn does not have, and now that Gibbs is not there, Portis obviously doesn't remember or isn;t smart enough to understand.

[Dick Edds]

this is spot on ... no one is above the TEAM. He can have these conversations with Zorn, Dan or Cloey in private for all anyone cares about.

It's funny that he "learned so much about responsibility" and "becoming a man" after losing Sean Taylor, yet his behavior has gotten more selfish and worse with each week.

he is supposed to be a leader, he has no fcking clue what that means. His comments have done more damage to this team than folks are giving them credit for. If he supports Zorn publicly and holds himself accountable (even if it wasn't him) ... that's the kind of leadership that inspires players to play harder.

That is Joe Gibbs leadership, taking the complete blame for a loss due to a blown timeout call against the Bills. Knowing the team had many chances to win that game. That inspired his players, all the Gibbs bashing after that motivated the team and united them. That is one characteristic Zorn does not have, and now that Gibbs is not there, Portis obviously doesn't remember or isn;t smart enough to understand.

sorry to quote myself, but I had to throw out that I LOVE CP the player ... i want to win a SB with him, I want him to be the greatest Redskins RB ever, i want him to go to the HOF as a member of the B&G.

I just have a hard time supporting players, however right they are, for openly criticizing their own teammates and coaches. Its called RESPECT and it doesn't take rocket science to understand that. regardless of the www and the media outlets today that spin every player comment for a story, he went ON AIR and chose to openly criticize his coach and players.

But we are a forgiving society and I understand that he was frustrated, we were all frustrated. But to not apologize and own up to your mistake, to say "that's who I am" and then vow to do the same thing in the same situation in the future, to show no remorse or understand how these comments affect his teammates ... just shows a complete lack of RESPECT for anyone other than himself. he is not isolated. if he were a tennis player no one would give a ****, but this is a TEAM sport, and knowingly or not, he is undermining everything about the TEAM by doing this. Rant over.

[Cooool...E]

By the way you can add me to the Mcd5 list. Been saying for two years now, get rid of this guy!

Two new trends in the NFL:

Teams with loud mouth overpaid "me" players are unsuccessful, they breed negativity in the locker room and dont bring playoff wins.

NYG - Tiki, Shockey
ATL - Vick
Dallas - TO <------The losers
Cin - Chad Johnson
Was - Portis

The other being the 1-2 punch backfield being a no brainer success. Please, these are the best teams in the league. Do we not see a trend here we need to follow?

Bal- Mclain/Mcgahee
Carolina - Stewart/Williams
NYG - Jacobs/Ward/Bradshaw <-------------The Winners
Tenn- White/Johnson
Miami - Brown/Williams

Why must we have an overpaid loudmouth RB control our 8-8 team. We have had one playoff win with him being the focal point of our offense. I guess the CP supporters would rather see our top player break records, bash the coach, bash the line, and dress up in costumes than win Superbowls. Hmmmmmmmmmm

[McD5]

By the way you can add me to the Mcd5 list. Been saying for two years now, get rid of this guy!

Two new trends in the NFL:

Teams with loud mouth overpaid "me" players are unsuccessful, they breed negativity in the locker room and dont bring playoff wins.

NYG - Tiki, Shockey
ATL - Vick
Dallas - TO <------The losers
Cin - Chad Johnson
Was - Portis

The other being the 1-2 punch backfield being a no brainer success. Please, these are the best teams in the league. Do we not see a trend here we need to follow?

Bal- Mclain/Mcgahee
Carolina - Stewart/Williams
NYG - Jacobs/Ward/Bradshaw <-------------The Winners
Tenn- White/Johnson
Miami - Brown/Williams

Why must we have an overpaid loudmouth RB control our 8-8 team. We have had one playoff win with him being the focal point of our offense. I guess the CP supporters would rather see our top player break records, bash the coach, bash the line, and dress up in costumes than win Superbowls. Hmmmmmmmmmm

Right on.

[youngestson]

I was not bashing him at 6-2 and I am not bashing him at 8-8.

The guy comes to play each and every game.

[Stophovr6]

The only reason I'm pissed at Portis is because of his mouth. I could care less that he ended his season the way he did. I don't blame him for us going 2-6 down the stretch. But if you don't have a problem with him undermining his coach and creating issues outside of the organization, then I can't help you understand why it is I'm pissed at him. Carry on though.

[Never4get#21]

By the way you can add me to the Mcd5 list. Been saying for two years now, get rid of this guy!

Two new trends in the NFL:

Teams with loud mouth overpaid "me" players are unsuccessful, they breed negativity in the locker room and dont bring playoff wins.

NYG - Tiki, Shockey
ATL - Vick
Dallas - TO <------The losers
Cin - Chad Johnson
Was - Portis

The Giants won the SuperBowl with the loud mouths like Shockey, and Plaxico still clammering in the background. I wouldnt lump Portis in the category of Chad, TO, Shocky. You never see any of those guys just "Hanging out" with other team mates. Youve seen Portis with Cooley (Ram Hunting), with Moss (Clubbin), with several players(Fantasy draft) and even highlighted playing Madden with D.Thomas. For a "ME" guy he certainly makes a lot of friends on this team. He wins over the public/teammates(Sellers) with his skits and costumes. So what if he's a grown man and calls out the OL for missing blocks. IT was TRUE! The OLine is the main issue this off season. Im sure losing 6 of the last 8 games also had a lot to do with his negative attitude.



The other being the 1-2 punch backfield being a no brainer success. Please, these are the best teams in the league. Do we not see a trend here we need to follow?

Bal- Mclain/Mcgahee
Carolina - Stewart/Williams
NYG - Jacobs/Ward/Bradshaw <-------------The Winners
Tenn- White/Johnson
Miami - Brown/Williams


Ive said that all season long. Question: Is this CPs fault that Betts is not the #2rb we hoped he would be. Betts not Portis needs to go! Bring in Sproles and wear teams out!!

[HortonWho48]

Amen, and its all the same people that were on cambells jock when we were 6-2 and now are throwing him under the bus.

[Skinz248]

Can you prove that? Or is that another ES bold assertion without evidence?

Did you see Betts run behind this line this year? How many yards did he end up with? Show me one game where Betts out PLAYED Portis... just one!

[MattFancy]

Portis is the least of our worries right now. The problem with Portis is he calls it like he sees it. Thats not always a good thing, but when he called out the o-line early in the year that seemed to work out pretty well. If Portis was not on this team, 1999 would still be the last time we were in the playoffs!

[Stophovr6]

Portis is the least of our worries right now. The problem with Portis is he calls it like he sees it. Thats not always a good thing, but when he called out the o-line early in the year that seemed to work out pretty well. If Portis was not on this team, 1999 would still be the last time we were in the playoffs!

Because you know the series of events following us not getting Portis? I could just as easily say that if Portis was not on this team, we would've won the SuperBowl twice since then. Neither assertion can be proven.

[MattFancy]

Because you know the series of events following us not getting Portis? I could just as easily say that if Portis was not on this team, we would've won the SuperBowl twice since then. Neither assertion can be proven.

well he pretty much carried us to the playoffs in 2005 and 2007 so that seems like good enough evidence for me.

[Stophovr6]

well he pretty much carried us to the playoffs in 2005 and 2007 so that seems like good enough evidence for me.

That's evidence that something that never happened, happens the way you think it would've happened?

[MattFancy]

That's evidence that something that never happened, happens the way you think it would've happened?

you just lost me on that one. i think portis is a great addition to this team. he plays hard every play and is one of the best blocking rbs in the game. i don't see ap, lt , or westbrook laying out linebackers. so he went to the media about how he didn't like what was going on, if he didn't want to win so much then he wouldn't care what this team was doing.

[pjfootballer]

I just want to say one word to the OP......AMEN!

[pjfootballer]

Amen, and its all the same people that were on cambells jock when we were 6-2 and now are throwing him under the bus.

I was on Campbells jock since opening day. Even at 6-2 the only thing he did well was not turn the ball over. Our running game won alot of those games. I'll give JC New Orleans. That's it. Coming out of preseason, he looked bad and had an average season.

[pjfootballer]

Where is our QB? Why isn't he the one being the "firey" leader? Why is Clinton on the air saying what alot of the players felt and not our QB?

[Passizle]

he like booze and ass too much...
Is that even possible? How can anyone like booze and ass too much?

[tcb26]

Where is our QB? Why isn't he the one being the "firey" leader? Why is Clinton on the air saying what alot of the players felt and not our QB?

Not every QB is emotional like Philip Rivers, look at Eli, he was "quiet" and then became a "quiet leader" when they won the SB. As long as he puts in the time and work the team will notice and should follow his lead.

Hell, he can't call any one out until he starts producing consistently. CP is the only one who does that. That doesn't mean I condone going public bc he puts himself over the team. Lets not make him into T.O. (even though he drops balls like him sometimes)

Let JC get comfortable in the system, once it becomes his offense then he can go public. Now it's CP's offense.

[rmc97]

Not every QB is emotional like Philip Rivers, look at Eli, he was "quiet" and then became a "quiet leader" when they won the SB. As long as he puts in the time and work the team will notice and should follow his lead.

Hell, he can't call any one out until he starts producing consistently. CP is the only one who does that. That doesn't mean I condone going public bc he puts himself over the team. Lets not make him into T.O. (even though he drops balls like him sometimes)

Let JC get comfortable in the system, once it becomes his offense then he can go public. Now it's CP's offense.


QFT

I think we're not hearing much from JC because he knows that he still has a lot of room to improve and has to become A LOT more consistent in his gameplay. In the few times I've seen JC speak publicly, though, he has always been smart about what he says. When asked about problems the team is having, he's never quick to call anybody out or throw his teammates and coaches under the bus. He always says that the TEAM needs to improve in that aspect and he also acknowledges the things that he need to change personally.

This is one thing that CP, no matter what his numbers or the amount of time he's been playing, needs to learn. I don't care what kind of numbers you're putting up, I don't care how much of a workload you're taking on, if you fail to produce at the level that YOU'VE led people to expect then you need to take responsibility for part of it too. Sure the OL had issues in the beginning, but our OL has never been exactly solid and he's still been able to produce. Sure Zorn made some questionable decisions in the second half of the season, but CP is paid as a professional athlete and part of that is being able to adapt and learn new things as asked by your coaches. We can all see what works and what doesn't, Zorn included, so he doesn't need to air out his issues and observations to the media.

I love to watch CP play for us and, as others have said, I want him to go into the Hall of Fame as a Redskin. He's a workhorse and a very exciting player to watch that produces when he needs to most of the time. But on the same hand I think that his attitude is getting a little out of check because he know how much he means to this offense and I also think he needs to learn little bit about respect form the younger guys like JC who have a little bit more on the line.

-Rob

[mcarey032]

I think Portis is a great player but the stuff he does off the field hurts the team more then his performances on the field.

I just think he cares more about his own personal achievements then winning and getting into the playoffs. I believe this attitude is finding its way into the locker room and creating a divide in the team.

There are those that buy into the system and those that don't. Portis doesn't and because hes so well known it creeps its way into the minds of other players.

Amen to that. I totally agree and it could have been said better. I love Portis for what he does on the field,but then he says things about the offensive line and the coaches and also gets into with B-Mitch, one has to wonder where the priorities are?