ESPN 980: Springs not sure if D Hall or Rogers will be back

[Drunken Master III]

He is on Doc's show right now going over a few issues. He was asked if he sees himself returning to the Skins. He said that he needs to see what happens with the O and D lines and the Rogers and Hall situation. He stated that Rogers is pretty disgruntled at the time. Sounds like Rogers may be on his way out IMO. When asked if it matters whether he, meaning Springs, starts or not he said that it doesn't since he can play three positions. He says he is easy going so it really didn't matter whether the coaches told him if he was starting 15 minutes before the game or not.

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he's still on the show

He says in order to win you have to have a good O and D line. I think everyone would agree. He believes the team should be built in those areas first. Sounds like there are several players unhappy with the line play and want change. Springs also stated that cornerbacks want to go to teams with a pass rush. I believe he thinks that this might have a role in D Hall's decision on whether to stay or not. IMO the SKins need to show a committment to improve in those areas or Hall is gone.

Springs thinks Campbell is going to have to develop more of a leadership role along with Portis for the offense. Springs says what Clinton is doing by speaking out on the radio can't happen. He believes in order to win Portis and Zorn are going to have to come to work their issues out. Springs said that he (himself) is one of the leaders on defense and won't accept sub par efforts.

[Bzapf]

He said he wouldn't be surprised if they both leave. Kinda weird. Said corners want to go to a team with a pass rush.

He said Clinton and Zorn need to get their problems fixed because that may be difference between winning and losing. Said JC needs to become more of a leader. And the offense needs to be on better terms with the coaches like the D.

[Diesel70ChipOnWhite]

Well Carlos doesn't have a choice but DeAngelo does. This could suck pretty bad...

[kubstix]

Did you hear that Vinny. The best part of our entire team (the secondary) wants out because they want to go to a team with a pass rush. How ironic :doh:.

[halter91]

Maybe Springs will leave and Rogers and Hall can stay. Maybe we will get a pass rush. I think the last time we had a consistent one was when 71 and 72 were around.

[CPortJGibbs89]

If both Hall and Rogers go then we are ****ed in the secondary. I was hoping we would lock up both these guys for the future.

Springs is also stating what most of us have been saying for years. We need to address the offensive and defensive lines now!!!

[Reaganaut]

He compared the Skins to the Giants on offensive line and defensive line. If they focus on those areas he might stay. He said that this is obvious to everyone on the Redskins. (DUH! CERRATO) "You have to be able to smash people"

The Emperor has NO CLOTHES.

[McD5]

Resign immediately Vinny.

You are a complete joke. Now the players want out.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Though I agree about the pass rush, he's a punk for calling out his teammates like that. I'm sick of this current crop of Redskins (Springs, Portis, etc.).

I want Springs gone (with Rogers, Hall, and Smoot as our corners).

[CPortJGibbs89]

Springs said Zorn needs to establish a better relationship with Portis, he said Zorn needs to communicate better with players.

[Old Bay]

Rogers being upset kind of surprises me. I guess he feels as though he's not appreciated here. Though I can understand the secondary in general not liking the lack of a pass rush.

[Stophovr6]

Can't you just feel the love? There really seems to be little cohesion in the locker room. Not just between players and coaches, but clearly between players themselves. Then again, this is Springs. I don't know why but i just don't trust him.

Nothing really we didn't know. People aren't happy on this team, and it starts at the top.

[rd421]

I really like him being on today....I do get a feeling he will not be here next year because he is being extremely open about everything he thinks, almost to the point of it does not matter what I say bc I am gone anyway. He alluded to the fact that Jason Taylor is not a good fit...said JC needs to develope more and that CP has to be a leader and not just be CP....this is interesting....

[RWJ]

Springs needs to be gone. I hope he will not be with this team next year. Wasted money.

[HailSkinz1]

I couldn't care less about Hall. Yeah, he played well, but it's just a matter of time before his attitude takes over. And by the sound of it, maybe it already has. He should be happy anyone wants him on their team, pass rush or not (regardless of how true it might be).

Let's trade Hall and Rogers to the Cheifs or Bengals and see how they like that.

Hall is time bomb and I think he's started to tick......

Springs really should learn to speak for himself and no one else though.

Hail,

H

[Soup]

all this fanbase needs is more and more players bashing the team. For an 8-8 season this was one tough year. The reality is there will probably be only a couple of guys that will come in for the dline and oline. Vinny will not just destroy both lines and think they can be rebuilt in one off-season. Seriously, I'm very worried about next year

[[[ghost]]]

I'd have to agree, but why isn't this being treated the same way as Portis's comments?

Portis said he'd like to run behind an OL that didn't suck. Springs says he and others would like to play behind a DL that can rush the passer.

And for the record, BOTH Hall and Rogers need to be in B and G for a long time.

[Koolblue13]

Say what you want.

Springs is Right.

[CPortJGibbs89]

He basically summed up the end of year collapse by saying that last year they were coming together as a team, this year he said they didnt come together as a team.

[Rocky21]

Springs says what Clinton is doing by speaking out on the radio can't happen. Thank God somebody affiliated with the team stated the obvious in a public forum.

[Drunken Master III]

Thank God somebody affiliated with the team stated the obvious in a public forum.

He may be the only player with enough courage to speak about that situation. I couldn't really see anyone else doing so except maybe Fletcher.

[rd421]

I agree with every word Shawn said...I really respect the fact that he is honestly answering some tough questions!

[Koolblue13]

Thank God somebody affiliated with the team stated the obvious in a public forum.
Good thing he is doing what the other guy did, because that was bad, but this time is good, because he is doing it about the other guy, who did it about another guy, so this guy doing it about the other guy is now going to stop that guy from doing it about that other guy.

Right?

[Koolblue13]

I agree with every word Shawn said...I really respect the fact that he is honestly answering some tough questions!
Same here. He is a very good corner, but I am so used to him doing nothing but be an over paid bench guy in sweat pants, who is also a cowboy fan.

[Laxpunk2006]

The idea of letting Hall or Rogers walk is ludicris. The only way Hall should be able to leave is if he's demanding Oakland type contract numbers. If that's the case it's been nice knowing him.

I don't like to hear that Rogers is upset but it really doesn't matter. We have him under contract and then he becomes a RFA. If we need to franchise or transition tag him that is an option as well. The only leverage Carlos has is to sit out, and that would severely hurt him going into a contract year. No one is going to pay big bucks to a CB that has been out of football for a year because his feelings were hurt.

In pure coverage, Carlos is our best CB. A lot of fans like to give him **** because he can't catch but that is secondary to preventing the WR from making the catch.

There is no reason why we couldn't keep all three of Springs/Rogers/Hall if we truly wanted to. It would take cap space away from other positions, and is probably not in our best interest but it is possible. It surely is possible to resign Hall and either offer Carlos the same contract or begin negotiations with him throughout the year.

I don't blame Carlos for feeling slighted. He suffered a major knee injury that could of ended the career of many other players. Through his own hard work he was able to not only recover but well ahead of schedule and play at an elite level. To be benched for the new guy and told to continue waiting your turn for a new contract could be seen as somewhat of a slap in the face. I think it's business and not personal, but I understand why he could feel unappreciated after going above and beyond.

[skinsfan190]

Can't you just feel the love? There really seems to be little cohesion in the locker room. Not just between players and coaches, but clearly between players themselves. Then again, this is Springs. I don't know why but i just don't trust him.

Nothing really we didn't know. People aren't happy on this team, and it starts at the top.
I think the devide is between the players and coaches. Not so much b/t the players. Just listen everytime a player speaks they talk about the coaches and they don't understand what their doing. Listen to Carlos, Clinton, Springs, they all say similar things. Carlos beef isn't with Hall it's with the Coaches benching him and not telling him why. I like Zorn, but he sucks at communication. I'm reaching a point where I think it would be better to FIRE ZORN NOW. I'm not down for a 5-11 season. This entire situation just looks bad. If Zorn stays he will have tons of work to do. Starting with communicating w/ the players. Then his biggest problem is his stupid high school playcalling and offensive scheme. I want a proven coach in here now. Shanahan Please. O yeah and Fire Vinny too.

Man I don't think Jim Fassel would have been that bad after all.:doh:

[Burgold]

I can understand Rogers' frustration with his late season demotion. On the other hand, he ought to understand that while he has been a good cover and tackle corner, he doesn't cause fear in opposing coordinators and qbs because he so rarely intercepts. Hall was making big plays that gave the ball back. Rogers has another level to climb yet.

[Stophovr6]

Good thing he is doing what the other guy did, because that was bad, but this time is good, because he is doing it about the other guy, who did it about another guy, so this guy doing it about the other guy is now going to stop that guy from doing it about that other guy.

Right?

Maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem like the same thing to me. Yes he is discussing the problems with our team the way Portis did, but is he doing it in the same way? Is he calling anyone a dictator? Or Sarcastically calling someone a genius?

I personally had no problem with Portis calling out his O-line and it wouldn't bother me to hear from him what he thinks are problems with the team. But to do so in the manner that he has, all the while referring to himself in the third person. Well I'm sorry but it rubs me the wrong way.

It could also be that i already don't like Springs. So his words don't affect me the same way Portis's did.

[Stophovr6]

I think the devide is between the players and coaches. Not so much b/t the players. Just listen everytime a player speaks they talk about the coaches and they don't understand what their doing. Listen to Carlos, Clinton, Springs, they all say similar things. Carlos beef isn't with Hall it's with the Coaches benching him and not telling him why. I like Zorn, but he sucks at communication. I'm reaching a point where I think it would be better to FIRE ZORN NOW. I'm not down for a 5-11 season. This entire situation just looks bad. If Zorn stays he will have tons of work to do. Starting with communicating w/ the players. Then his biggest problem is his stupid high school playcalling and offensive scheme. I want a proven coach in here now. Shanahan Please. O yeah and Fire Vinny too.

Man I don't think Jim Fassel would have been that bad after all.:doh:

I can't imagine given Springs words, that the DB's are too happy with the defensive linemen. And we did discuss earlier in the year how the o-line, even though it stepped up, might not take so kindly to Portis' words.

I'm not in the locker room, so I don't know. But I do know a second half collapse can't be great for cohesion. I don't think some(maybe most) players are buying into the system/coaches, but I also have a hard time believing this is a united front.

[REEGSKINS]

this is a great interview. he is honest but not disrespectful. he loves davis saying he could be the best TE in football. loves kelly also just has to manage his body(knee).

[Misterwookas]

Everybody is talking like one of the corners will be gone in the offseason. Rogers and Hall we need. Springs really didnt show me nothing this year. It sounds like he is a little concerned about his job.

[CPortJGibbs89]

He said that Fred Davis will be the best tight end in the leauge in 2 years....... I will believe it when I see it....

[Riggo#44]

http://images.hogshaven.com/images/admin/cerratoeye.jpg
I think this picture really says it all...

[ST is my boy]

Hey I got an idea.........HOW ABOUT EVERY PLAYER ON THIS TEAM LEARNS TO JUST SHUT UP AND PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is it that difficult???

[Tjdad21136]

That Fred Davis is going to be a monster, could one day be the best tight end in the NFL!!!!!!!!!! And you know what guys??? I believe it. Chris Cooley is too slow!!!!! Love Cooley but skins need to get faster on offense!!!!!

[BSMKF]

He also said that C.Cooley is his favorite player on the team but in 2 or 3 years F.Davis will be the best TE in the NFL.


Pretty bold statement IMO.

[rd421]

I heard him say the best TE in the NFL....That is nuts man...we could have 2 serious TE threats lets hope we learn how to use them...He also says that #11 is going to be great calling him a "true deep threat"

[Stophovr6]

Hey I got an idea.........HOW ABOUT EVERY PLAYER ON THIS TEAM LEARNS TO JUST SHUT UP AND PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is it that difficult???

When you don't make the playoffs it is.;)

[Chump Bailey]

I like Los, but if he wants to go, then so be it IMO...

A trade for a 2nd or possibly 1st round pick (RFA rules ?) is nothing to sneeze at. Springs is still the best cover guy IMO and not Los.

A Los trade netting us a first day pick coupled with a possible trade down on draft day could snag us some good players. This is looking like a deep OL class. Four to five picks in rounds 1-4 could completely rejuvenate both our lines and put us in great shape for the foreseeable future.

[More Complete]

He's always been high on Davis. He said the same thing last year.

Taylor Jacobs anyone?

[RedskinsNation]

Lets see...the fans know our Lines need work, the media knows our Lines need work and the players are commenting on how dumpy our lines are....Do Vinny and Dan know what is going on or are we getting 46 more TE's and 28 more WR's in Aprils Draft?

Finishing 8-8 hopefully will end up being a good thing cuz the **** has hit the fan with this teams deficiencies aka LINE PLAY.

[scruffylookin]

Springs also stated that cornerbacks want to go to teams with a pass rush.


Wait Wait Wait Wait

I thought there were people telling all of us who complained about the Redskins ignoring of the Dline and the fact that this team can't rush the passer that there was nothing to worry about because our secondary is sooooooooooooo damn good that they can cover for an eternity and produce coverage sacks.

Now Springs has to go and say that a good defense starts up front and THEN you work back (not the way the rocket scientists who run the Redskins have gone about doing it).

Shawn Springs for Redskins GM. He actually gets it.

[Koolblue13]

That Fred Davis is going to be a monster, could one day be the best tight end in the NFL!!!!!!!!!! And you know what guys??? I believe it. Chris Cooley is too slow!!!!! Love Cooley but skins need to get faster on offense!!!!!

They can both be good players right?

[SirClintonPortis]

So both corners Hall and Rogers want to go to a team with a pass rush. I can definitely understand that.

Note to the bonehead Cerrato: make efforts to get one since you will have a trainwrecked secondary next year if you don't. Watch out, one of them may go to the Cowboys just to piss the Danny off because the Cowboys do have one.

Shawn Springs, more reasonable than Cerrato, despite not wanting to take a paycut, you'll have to respect his words here.

[Die Hard]

Impossible. Football fans are stupid.... they can't possibly know as much as some of these NFL gurus who make a generous living do this. Those guys are never wrong.... and the average fan simply is unable to understand ANY part of the game so they shouldn't be able to pass judgment against qualified individuals who supposedly forget more about football than the rest of us.

So how in the world can NFL players agree with us?

Nonsense. Follow the rank and file... and support the Redskins (ie. Front Office) regardless.... they obviously know better than anyone else.

[Tjdad21136]

Yes they can but this would not happen in the WCO!!! The problem is that our front office doesn't have an identity!!!!!! They don't know what they want to do

[purbeast]

Personally I would rather Springs leave and Hall and Rogers stay.

Springs is worthless when he only plays 1/2 the games due to a fingernail breaking.

[Thinking Skins]

];6035415']I'd have to agree, but why isn't this being treated the same way as Portis's comments?

Portis said he'd like to run behind an OL that didn't suck. Springs says he and others would like to play behind a DL that can rush the passer.

And for the record, BOTH Hall and Rogers need to be in B and G for a long time.

1) Because Springs isn't a player who people are questioning as being the best Redskin ever at his position (Springs has NOTHING on Darrell Green, and Portis is approaching different Riggo records every day).
2) Because Riggins, Mitchell and other former Redskins haven't made a point to call out Springs, like they have Portis.
3) Because Springs is just saying things that are pretty much a given. We've talked on here about trading Rogers, and Hall is a free agent. We do need to adress the DL. Portis, on the other hand, dropped some info when he said that we went from Stump calling the running plays to everybody having a say in it. True or not, fans debated whether he should have said that.
4) I didn't hear the interview, but Springs probably didn't sound as 'matter of fact' in how he said things (as Portis sometimes does).
5) I just can't see Springs being here next year.

[Koolblue13]

Yes they can but this would not happen in the WCO!!! The problem is that our front office doesn't have an identity!!!!!! They don't know what they want to doWhat the heck are you talking about?

[TWINSKINS]

Davis wont get much playing time behind Cooley.
Cooley is too expensive to cut after signing a new deal.

NOT a smart move drafting this guy but then you all knew this anyway.

[Tjdad21136]

I am talking about getting the right player to fit a certain system. Our front office goes from coach to coach and not never letting the coach get the type of players that they really need to be able to get the job done which is winning the SuperBowl. Now if Zorn doesn't do well this year and get's fired then we start all over again. I just think that Fred Davis is an athletic TE who can go deep down field

[jsteelz]

there may be a problem with free agents this year with Snyder not being very "liquid" right now

[SkinsMaster88]

Didn't he also say in the past that Taylor Jacobs was the best Redskins receiver in practice?

Portis once said that CB John Eubanks was one of the best young players on the team when he was on the PS.

I'll wait till I see some production on the field. Fred Davis was picked in the 2nd round for a reason. He has a lot of athletic talent. The key is letting our playmakers make plays. IMO, #1 problem has been lack of time for Campbell to throw (OL). #2 problem is inconsistent playcalling that hopefully Zorn can address with a season under his belt. #3 problem is that our WRs/TEs actually have to get some separation on the field.

[AKM311]

What the heck are you talking about?

LOLLLLLLL! I was confused to. I know what he is saying about the FO as far as no plan, but what does that have to do with Fred Davis?

[Skins PR]

Would love to see Davis be utilized more next season if he really can be productive. Two tight end sets can cause a lot of match-up problems for defenses. Indianapolis and NewEngland have been doing that for years.

[texasthunder]

I have to belive that D. Hall will stay around. He has made too many comments about playing for the Redskins.

Now if Carlos wants to go, I am ok with that. I saw him get eaten up on short passes way too many times this year. He plays 10 yards off of the recievers, and thats really bad when we blitz.

Springs-eh, I could go either way, but I do believe he see's the writting on the wall, and that he may be let go.

But as much as we fans love hearing a players thoughts, I dont think he should be talking to the media about it tho.

There are many "spins", or "reading between the lines" type of reporters who would love to make a big story out of what they say.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

What the heck are you talking about?

:rotflmao:

All of those !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! make me think pills are involved with whatever it is.

[SirClintonPortis]

They need to bring in a quality coach now so his talent can be harnessed. Davis will see plenty of time in two TE sets. Cooley and Davis on 4-3 linebackers=matchup woes for the D

[MoeRedskins]

That Fred Davis is going to be a monster, could one day be the best tight end in the NFL!!!!!!!!!! And you know what guys??? I believe it. Chris Cooley is too slow!!!!! Love Cooley but skins need to get faster on offense!!!!!

Wow, somebody said something about somebody else!!!!!!!! Yeah, let's get excited over that!!!!!

Chris cooley can be as slow as he wants when he never goes down after the first hit.

[corrupt3d]

I mean honestly, he may be disgruntled, but I can't see him gone...

[[[ghost]]]

A. There is NO Tight End better than Cooley after the catch. Witten runs routes so well that he makes WRs jealous. And Gates has hands that rival Larry Fitzgeralds. But none of them are as remotely slippery and elusive like Cooley.

B. Davis isn't even that much faster.

C. I hope they both can tear it up. If Davis can learn to block better, he'd make a heck of a target for Campbell. Especially since he's a converted WR, I'm guessing he's got fantastic athleticism. Of course, this is contingent on Campbell having time to throw. Not to mention, an upgraded line would make Portis even more dangerous, which would make the playaction that much more effective. A playaction bootleg to Davis running a chip-block pattern could be extraordinarily effective.

On a sidenote- I'm not remotely reassured by Springs comments on Davis. I'd like to believe them, but Taylor Jacobs was also legendary in practice. He never panned out at all. I'd love to see Davis succeed, but I'm not encouraged by Springs' compliments.

[texasthunder]

3) Because Springs is just saying things that are pretty much a given. We've talked on here about trading Rogers, and Hall is a free agent. We do need to adress the DL. Portis, on the other hand, dropped some info when he said that we went from Stump calling the running playsto everybody having a say in it. True or not, fans debated whether he should have said that.

I dont believe that Stump was calling the plays, he was just suppose to be keeping Zorn informed as to which RB was going into the game.

"And I think whatever ain't broke, man, don't fix it. You know, you come in, tampering, changing things around, I think me and Ladell coexisted fine in the beginning of the season; it was in the later part of the season where we began to be told how we was going in and when we was playing, and I think [Ladell] was kind of banged up as well as me, so our play declined."

On the coaches changing their minds: "I think Coach [Stump] Mitchell always shot us straight, man, and let us go out to be men. I think he did his best of keeping us alerted. He really wasn't in control. I think every other position coach on our team gets to control their guys. I don't think Coach Stump had the same opportunity. You know, it was above him, and he did his best, he came in, he prepared us.

Quote from CP's rant.

[cphil006]

Springs made Davis buy him dinner last night.

[GothSkinsFan]

Did you hear that Vinny. The best part of our entire team (the secondary) wants out because they want to go to a team with a pass rush. How ironic :doh:.

I guess that kinda validates us DL first minority here. Both Mann and Manley were way more athletic than any member of the OL at the time, which was inarguably the best in the NFL. When DE Manley first started, he was the edge guy on punts. That's astonishing for a DE. So yeah, best DT/DE in the draft (w/o reaching) and OL later on or FA (but no Gross, etc.)

[PalmettoRedskin]

I say if ANY player on this team wants to leave.....don't let the door hit em' in the ass on the way out.

Unfortunately, we need to start over with many of the positions on the team. Obviously we need to start on both lines first, then LB are next.

I'm so sick and tired of these players bashing the organization thru the media. Let the fans do that and stick to playing the game. I guess i'm in the minority b/c i still believe in Zorn.

[NeueRedskinWelle]

Our 2 TE spread will be nasty next year. Finally the short game will work.

[More Complete]

I say if ANY player on this team wants to leave.....don't let the door hite em' in the ass on the way out.

Unfortunately, we need to start over with many of the positions on the team. Obviously we need to start on both lines first, then LB are next.

I'm so sick and tired of these players bashing the organization thru the media. Let the fans do that and stick to playing the game. I guess i'm in the minority b/c i still believe in Zorn.

Word. You're a player on the 4th best defense in the NFL and you're complaining about it?

What if you were on a defense that got tons of pressure but sucked? Would you be happy then?

This reeks of putting yourself before the team.

:2cents:

[OVCChairman]

Chris Cooley is too slow? HAHA... wow. People are finding a reason to knock one of the best TE's in the game. The guy has great hands and an even better work ethic. Last time i checked, a fast TE was refered to as a WR.....

[Evilskinzfan47]

Our 2 TE spread will be nasty next year. Finally the short game will work.

I sure hope so cause we have NO long game.Lookin forward to another 05-06 season.

[Dick Edds]

This reeks of putting yourself before the team. :2cents:

exactly the type of behavior that has been condoned by the Danny not calling out CP or publicly supporting Zorn ... I guess all the players feel they can now speak their minds freely now.

[NeueRedskinWelle]

I sure hope so cause we have NO long game.Lookin forward to another 05-06 season.

Absolutely. This is the only way the short game will work, our WR/QB corp with the addition of play calling won't allow the long game.

[Aghar]

He is on Doc's show right now going over a few issues. He was asked if he sees himself returning to the Skins. He said that he needs to see what happens with the O and D lines and the Rogers and Hall situation. He stated that Rogers is pretty disgruntled at the time. Sounds like Rogers may be on his way out IMO. When asked if it matters whether he, meaning Springs, starts or not he said that it doesn't since he can play three positions. He says he is easy going so it really didn't matter whether the coaches told him if he was starting 15 minutes before the game or not.

.....

he's still on the show

He says in order to win you have to have a good O and D line. I think everyone would agree. He believes the team should be built in those areas first. Sounds like there are several players unhappy with the line play and want change. Springs also stated that cornerbacks want to go to teams with a pass rush. I believe he thinks that this might have a role in D Hall's decision on whether to stay or not. IMO the SKins need to show a committment to improve in those areas or Hall is gone.

Springs thinks Campbell is going to have to develop more of a leadership role along with Portis for the offense. Springs says what Clinton is doing by speaking out on the radio can't happen. He believes in order to win Portis and Zorn are going to have to come to work their issues out. Springs said that he (himself) is one of the leaders on defense and won't accept sub par efforts.

So by speaking out himself on the radio and actually speaking for SOMEONE ELSE on the team saying Carlos is unhappy and DHall will base his decision on what Springs has to say is a way of being a leader?

**NEWS FLASH Mr. Springs!!!**
You are great at covering T.O once a year. This usually occurs right before you chill at his house after the game.
You are hurt the rest of the season EVERY season you have been a Redskin.
You are way overpaid for the amount of time and effort you put in.
You CANNOT be a leader on defense unless you participate in team activities ( a.k.a PRACTICE AND GAMES )

:mad:

[AllBusiness]

Or, maybe Fred could put Chris on his shoulders, and form some sort of mega-person...

[Jofizz]

The OP really needs to settle down.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Football fans are stupid.... they can't possibly know as much as some of these NFL gurus.... and the average fan simply is unable to understand ANY part of the game so they shouldn't be able to pass judgment against qualified individuals

So how in the world can NFL players agree with us?


"Good God! I've been sayin' it. I've been sayin' it for ten damn years. Ain't I been sayin' it, Miguel? Yeah, I've been sayin' it" :cheers:

[STBonecrusher21]

Hopefully Vinny listens up, and all of them end up staying. I really like our DBs as of right now.

[acuratl1984]

Word. You're a player on the 4th best defense in the NFL and you're complaining about it?

What if you were on a defense that got tons of pressure but sucked? Would you be happy then?

This reeks of putting yourself before the team.

:2cents:

Seriously.... wtf is Carlos Rogers gonna do... on a team with a pass rush??

Drop the interception like he does here...

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Springs has always acted like some kind of visitor here. He discusses the team like he's a neutral observor at times. He's a great interview, but it is really strange.

[SirClintonPortis]

Wow, people bashing the DBs for wanting to be on team with a pass rush. Well, a defense with a pass rush is better than one that doesn't since they provide more oppurtunities to make big plays.

[REDALERT]

this is a great interview. he is honest but not disrespectful. he loves davis saying he could be the best TE in football. loves kelly also just has to manage his body(knee).

No doubt, and what Cerrato and Snyder need to do is draft all DL and OL and maybe a late LB project. We should trade from the 13th spot to the lower 1st round and get a 2nd along with it. That way, after reading some of the mock drafts, we still should be able to pick up a quality DL and OL.


During the 3rd round, go DL or OL again, again and again until the 7th round and go LB.

[Forehead]

I'm pretty sure that West Coasr Offenses can utilize two tight ends at once when necessary. Let's hold off an getting rid of one of our best offensive players, okay?

[NeckBone]

put one of them in the damn slot

[REDALERT]

Say what you want.

Springs is Right.


He sure is, and I'll say it again. Draft all DL and OL and maybe a late LB. We need to drop from 13 and get another 2nd and draft low during the 1st round. Someone will be willing to jump up to 13 and we can drop to maybe 21 in the 1st round.

[talk show host]

No doubt, and what Cerrato and Snyder need to do is draft all DL and OL and maybe a late LB project. We should trade from the 13th spot to the lower 1st round and get a 2nd along with it. That way, after reading some of the mock drafts, we still should be able to pick up a quality DL and OL.


During the 3rd round, go DL or OL again, again and again until the 7th round and go LB.

no 7th rounder

[Xero21]

That Fred Davis is going to be a monster, could one day be the best tight end in the NFL!!!!!!!!!! And you know what guys??? I believe it. Chris Cooley is too slow!!!!! Love Cooley but skins need to get faster on offense!!!!!

You're right, he's way too slow. We need to replace that slow, 800 yard receiving TE right away. :doh:

[KingGibbs]

Man. Some of you guys really hate hearing the truth, don't you? I'm glad that Springs said what he said because maybe (emphasized) Cerrato will wake the **** up and fix the lines.

I don't understand the hate for Carlos either. He was GREAT in coverage this year and is an EXCELLENT tackler, especially considering he is a corner. But, instead of looking at his whole body of work some of you look at his dropped int's only. Yeah, I know they are very important, but he does prevent the other team from moving the chains more often then not. This coming off MAJOR knee surgery in which he busted his ass to rehab.

This smells of Pierce and Ryan Clark all over again. Carlos deserves better then this and he should be pissed. I don't want a player of his caliber to be happy with a demotion.

[abdcskins]

People say a lot of things that aren't true. We shouldn't have drafted Fred Davis in the first place. Two TE set...whatever. I couldn't care less about that, worthless to me.

[illone]

What Springs is saying is no surprise.

That's like you or me saying you like to work in an office with a working printer, fax, and chair that goes up and down when you pull the handle.

Of course you do, right?

Every RB wants a good Oline to block for them, and every DB wants a solid pass rush so they can get more picks.

DUH?

[SirClintonPortis]

I don't understand the hate for Carlos either. He was GREAT in coverage this year and is an EXCELLENT tackler, especially considering he is a corner.
QFT. I remember his hit on Joshua Cribbs and how he leveled TO on a pass so that Rocky McIntosh got a pick.

[REDALERT]

It is about the coaches and the players don't like it. Maybe that's why Simmons retired:(. I think Zorn's not sitting well with the players or some of the coaches and if this is true, we're in trouble.

We just need to stock pile during the draft on the OL and DL and maybe pickup a quality bonified FA. Maybe it be LB, DL or OL, but a true young bonified Fa, but only one got damnit. Don't go getting greedy and signing too many FA's that may end up sucking.


We just need to build this year from the draft on both lines and let 'em play along with our 3 2nd round picks in Kelly, Thomas and Davis. That way, when Cowher or one of the other coaches become available during the 2010 season, we should be polished with the players we selected in the last 2 drafts. Then, add another player of need during the 2010 draft and let the new coach do his thing.

[More Complete]

Springs said this last year too. How did that turn out?

3 receptions 27 yards

[ntotoro]

We just need to stock pile during the draft on the OL and DL and maybe pickup a quality bonified FA. Maybe it be LB, DL or OL, but a true young bonified Fa, but only one got damnit. Don't go getting greedy and signing too many FA's that may end up sucking.

We can't even stockpile bread, milk and toilet paper with only four picks... ;)

[REDALERT]

Wait Wait Wait Wait

I thought there were people telling all of us who complained about the Redskins ignoring of the Dline and the fact that this team can't rush the passer that there was nothing to worry about because our secondary is sooooooooooooo damn good that they can cover for an eternity and produce coverage sacks.


Who said that? Even Stevie Wonder knows that's a lie

[kevinklein]

I'll be seriously pissed off if we lose the best part of our team because of Vinny's incompetency in other areas.

The man needs to be socked in the nose, and preferably by the exit door.

[ntotoro]

I thought there were people telling all of us who complained about the Redskins ignoring of the Dline and the fact that this team can't rush the passer that there was nothing to worry about because our secondary is sooooooooooooo damn good that they can cover for an eternity and produce coverage sacks.

Who said that... ?

http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/images/strawman.jpg

[Warhead36]

If it were up to me I'd cut Springs, franchise and try to trade Hall for max value, and sign Rogers to a long term deal. If I can't trade Hall I'd hope to resign him at a slight discount.

Doesn't surprise me that Rogers is disgruntled though. He's been here since day one and has really developed into a solid CB. Is he a superstar all-pro? No but he's very solid in coverage and is a damn good tackler. I think people forget that it was Rogers shutting down receivers all year long when Springs was out nursing his 400 different injuries. But now the team brings in a big name in Hall and would rather keep the flash and style over the homegrown product...same story as always.

[KingGibbs]

If it were up to me I'd cut Springs, franchise and try to trade Hall for max value, and sign Rogers to a long term deal. If I can't trade Hall I'd hope to resign him at a slight discount.

Doesn't surprise me that Rogers is disgruntled though. He's been here since day one and has really developed into a solid CB. Is he a superstar all-pro? No but he's very solid in coverage and is a damn good tackler. I think people forget that it was Rogers shutting down receivers all year long when Springs was out nursing his 400 different injuries. But now the team brings in a big name in Hall and would rather keep the flash and style over the homegrown product...same story as always.

Can't tag Hall. It was agreed to when they signed him.

[Drunken Master III]

Can't tag Hall. It was agreed to when they signed him.

not sure it was contractual though.... that would be pretty crudy if they franchised him though

:laugh:

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Springs needs to be gone. I hope he will not be with this team next year. Wasted money.

Springs needs to assume the GM duties, he's right about everything he said!

[SirClintonPortis]

People say a lot of things that aren't true. We shouldn't have drafted Fred Davis in the first place. Two TE set...whatever. I couldn't care less about that, worthless to me.
Ever saw a formation with a single back and two WRs? Yeah, it's used plenty in the NFL.

[The Full Monty]

If we keep Springs at his age and injury history it is proof positive that Cerrato is clueless. I don't care how disgruntled Rogers may be, he is young and has more years ahead of him then Springs.

[aubreyjn]

I am talking about getting the right player to fit a certain system. Our front office goes from coach to coach and not never letting the coach get the type of players that they really need to be able to get the job done which is winning the SuperBowl. Now if Zorn doesn't do well this year and get's fired then we start all over again. I just think that Fred Davis is an athletic TE who can go deep down field

exactly newbie. cooley was a great tightend for gibbs. yes he is good but in a WCO you need the tight end to stretch the field, something cooley doesnt do particularly well.





:dallasuck:eaglesuck:gaintsuck:dallasuck:dallasuck

[Passizle]

BREAKING NEWS!!!

This just in per FTQO...

"During todays interview process, Shawn Springs went to adjust his seating poistion in his chair and hurt something in his groin area. Early reports are coming in stating that the extent of the injury is unclear. The team doctors have said it looks like a sprained vagina but will have to wait for an MRI for clarity. Sean is expected to miss at least 2 games of 2009 season due to the injury."

[More Complete]

Regarding Fred Davis... Springs said the same thing last year. How did that turn out?

3 receptions 27 yards

[ZRagone]

I think the key here is Springs willingness to play as the 3rd corner.

Start Hall and Carlos. It appeases carlos and gets him to stay. Springs doesn't c are about not starting as he knows he'll still get a lot of playing time. And he's our only guy that has GOOD skill at playing the inside corner position I think, which is generally the 3rd corner's job anyways.

[The Full Monty]

BREAKING NEWS!!!

This just in per FTQO...

"During todays interview process, Sean Springs went to adjust his seating poistion in his chair and hurt something in his groin area. Early reports are coming in stating that the extent of the injury is unclear. The team doctors have said it looks like a sprained vagina but will have to wait for an MRI for clarity. Sean is expected to miss at least 2 games of 2009 season due to the injury."

:applause:

[TheREALJBird]

I think the key here is Springs willingness to play as the 3rd corner.

Start Hall and Carlos. It appeases carlos and gets him to stay. Springs doesn't c are about not starting as he knows he'll still get a lot of playing time. And he's our only guy that has GOOD skill at playing the inside corner position I think, which is generally the 3rd corner's job anyways.

I don't think he's worth it anymore....cut Springs and save 8 mil against the cap. Smoot isn't the greatest but he's a capable Nickel

[STBonecrusher21]

BREAKING NEWS!!!

This just in per FTQO...

"During todays interview process, Sean Springs went to adjust his seating poistion in his chair and hurt something in his groin area. Early reports are coming in stating that the extent of the injury is unclear. The team doctors have said it looks like a sprained vagina but will have to wait for an MRI for clarity. Sean is expected to miss at least 2 games of 2009 season due to the injury."

No one on the team named "Sean" Springs.

FAIL!!!

[Passizle]

No one on the team named "Sean" Springs.

FAIL!!!
Fixed... now your post calling my post a "fail" is a...


FAIL!!!

[herb mul-key]

Cerratto and Snyder know nothing of chemistry and how to nurture it and prolly Zorn to...

scary

[Jimbo]

I'm all for improving the lines but I don't think it should be done by the draft alone. As for Hall and Rogers, I'd love to see BOTH return. If Springs is so easy going, move him to nickel or safety and start Carlos and Hall. Not sure how Carlos got into Blache's doghouse but it didn't look like it was due to his play.

Then again, maybe Blache wants Carlos gone. If that's the case, I hope we get something for him.

[REEGSKINS]

we would have had a nice set up with cooley at h back and davis as the TE in gibbs system. what a shame. it seems like vinny drafted davis thinking gibbs was still here.

[Shilsu]

Wait Wait Wait Wait

I thought there were people telling all of us who complained about the Redskins ignoring of the Dline and the fact that this team can't rush the passer that there was nothing to worry about because our secondary is sooooooooooooo damn good that they can cover for an eternity and produce coverage sacks.

Now Springs has to go and say that a good defense starts up front and THEN you work back (not the way the rocket scientists who run the Redskins have gone about doing it).


That's why Redskins fans are regarded as some of the dumbest fans in the NFL by insiders and outsiders. Apparently, we have to either choose between sacks and stopping the run. And we have to choose between sacks and wins. Because, after all, look at the Eagles! Wait a minute... We don't have the wins... Wait a minute... The Eagles are in the playoffs! Wait a minute... The Eagles got to the quarterback AND stopped the run!

Meanwhile, while I agree with Shawn Springs, this is just further proof he is nothing more than a mercenary. I don't blame him, after the Redskins tried to dick him by attempting to trade him to the Detroit Lions for Dre Bly after he called their bluff on cutting him if he didn't redo his contract.

Certain Redskins fans will still maintain, however, that we don't miss Champ Bailey because we replaced him with Shawn Springs, and that Clinton Portis was worth a franchised #1 CB and a second round pick. Or better yet, how about the archived posts on ExtremeSkins that claim Fred Smoot was actually the better cornerback on the team and deserved the big money. :doh:

[coopluvstheskins]

springs is just trying to save his job like he knows what he is talking about!!!!!!

[STBonecrusher21]

Fixed... now your post calling my post a "fail" is a...


FAIL!!!

Attempting to use the "Edit" function in association to pewn somebody:

FAIL!!!

:silly:

[ashsra]

There's no way both go, if they can't sign Deangelo they won't let Carlos go anywhere. It'll be an interesting offseason, I almost wish we could get rid of all these guys who don't wanna be here and just start from scratch with some tough, blue collar types.

[PortisFan123]

I could give a good damn if we traded Carlos Stone Hand Rogers, and Moody DeAngelo Hall ( saw his act when I lived in Georgia ) AND Sean I am a Chandelier Masquerading as a football player Springs and see if we cannot get a great corner for the package.

And please tell us all something we do not already know: We need a good DL and an OL to win. Ok..now what??

As far as Zorn and Portis are concerned with the ego bs It is highly doubtful that exuberent firey Zorny is going to give in to whiney Portis...so wadda ya do???

Ok we have big problems with big ego's involved...we might as well trade for Chad Johnson, TO and anyone else that can really drive us into a ditch at this point huh? Man this is going to be an interesting off season.

And JC being a leader? The country kid from Georgia? Think again. I like him but he is not going to be a motivating mouth piece. See Portis should be but he just wants to BE a mouth piece.

[Yusuf06]

Impossible. Football fans are stupid.... they can't possibly know as much as some of these NFL gurus who make a generous living do this. Those guys are never wrong.... and the average fan simply is unable to understand ANY part of the game so they shouldn't be able to pass judgment against qualified individuals who supposedly forget more about football than the rest of us.

So how in the world can NFL players agree with us?

Nonsense. Follow the rank and file... and support the Redskins (ie. Front Office) regardless.... they obviously know better than anyone else.
What do you know? You're not an NFL GM. ;)

[ohioskinsfan]

Irony: Shawn calling out CP for CP telling how he feels.:doh:

[PapaDRoc]

Its disappointing to see that the strength of our defense (the secondary) seems to have some issues with how the team is being run. I really hope we keep Rogers and DeAngelo. I like Springs too, but with his injury problems and assuming that at least one if not two of our top 4 corners are leaving this offseason, I believe Springs should be the odd man out. And I completely agree with Shawn's assessment that this offseason the O and D lines NEEDS to be our main priority.

[InsaneBoost]

If anyone has to go, not that I want them to I'd want it to be Springs, he's just getting older and he's obviously going to be done soon.

[Dieselpower44]

Dan should just fire vinny and the coaches and let Portis and Fletcher draw straws for who drafts first. Let the players pick sides and call plays.

It certainly doesn't seem like they are being disciplined for running to the media about the problems that are happening with the team.

[SAli457180]

The CB position on this team has really been problematic for quite a few years. Injuries, guys who quite simply can't catch the football. I hope they can re-sign Hall, but there's no guarantee. An effective pass could do wonders for the corners, but they may or may not even address the DL.

[veteranskinsfan]

I think Springs will be back because he has Seattle ties to Zorn and that's why he felt comfortable talking to Doc Walker today on the radio. I think if you keep him as a backup corner or a safety then he does not hurt us defensively provided he can stay healthy.

[SkinsMaster88]

I think Springs will be back because he has Seattle ties to Zorn and that's why he felt comfortable talking to Doc Walker today on the radio. I think if you keep him as a backup corner or a safety then he does not hurt us defensively provided he can stay healthy.
Springs will only be back if he restructures his contract, which he was adamantly opposed to in the last few years.

Shawn Springs cap number next year is $8.5 Million. The only player who has a higher number is Samuels. Even Portis has a cap number of $5.7M.

Would you give a 34-year-old backup player who was only able to play in half the games 2 of the last 3 years that much money?

I used to think Springs got a bad rap around here for the most part because when healthy he was one of our best players. However, every year just seems to be worse for him.

It's time to part ways with him, especially since we can save $6M (rest is dead cap from guarantees). That money is needed to shore up our lines and help the rest of our team. I'd rather use that $6M to give to a younger CB who can be with us for 3+ more years (like Hall/Rogers).

[skinsfan190]

Man I just listened to all the segments on ESPN980, this was the best locker room ever. Shawn Springs was very entertaining and he gave alot of insight into the team. He was very honest. I loved the part when he raved about Fred Davis. He also had alot to say about our sorry *** offensive and defensive lines. He basically said If he was in Hall's Situation he would go to a place like Pittsburg or New England because he knows they will put pressure on the opposing QB. Even though the Skins will probably offer more money. Plus, Doc was hilarious. He said Zorn redshirted Davis, Kelly, and Thomas. He also Blasted the stupid playcalling and short routes as usual, plus He called the cowgirls publicity whores.:laugh:

[mcarey032]

I Heard the interview. I would say that if the Redskins will keep Suisham who was the worst kicker in terms of his misses, then why not keep Springs. When healthy Springs is a really great corner and has great versatility. I like Rogers, but I get the feeling that he really took that benching that he got a couple of weeks back personally and may not forget that. I had heard that Hall was actually wanting to stay here. From the interview of Springs, I took it as what he would do if he were Rogers or Hall. I didn't take it as that was their actual view point and I don't think that he actually said that it was something that they felt.

Our secondary is one of the best, but he is right, without a pass rush it doesn't make a bit of difference. We need a pass rusher. Either Jason Taylor, steup up and play or get someone else who can get to the passer because we have been lacking that type of player since Mann and Manley.

[Thinking Skins]

I honestly don't see how what Springs said in this interview is any different than what Ray Lewis said to his coaches before they drafted Ngata (he's a beast at DT). Ray said that if they want him to return to form, then they need to draft a DT to keep the offensive tackles off him. And what did the Front office do? They said welcome to Haloti Ngata.

Hopefully our front office will respond in a similar way. And I feel like CP's comments may even help towards this conclusion because he was effectively saying that the problem wasn't the OL, it was the playcalling and everybody messing with the running game. So it seems the players are begging the front office to address the DL.

I pray Vinnie will listen. And Even Vinny admitted that we need a DT to collapse the pocket. He did say that last year before the draft and did not do anything to address that need last year, but hopefully he will realize that its still a need and draft accordingly.

[Geneva]

Maybe Springs will leave and Rogers and Hall can stay. Maybe we will get a pass rush. I think the last time we had a consistent one was when 71 and 72 were around.
Thats the last time we ever had a pass rush. QB's have all day to find the open recervers. CB's can only cover for so long. I would not want to play CB,QB or RB with the O & D lines we now have. If we dont fix this in free agency and the draft it's going to be a long season in 2009 for the Redskins again.....

[THE OUTSIDER]

I couldn't care less about Hall. Yeah, he played well, but it's just a matter of time before his attitude takes over. And by the sound of it, maybe it already has. He should be happy anyone wants him on their team, pass rush or not (regardless of how true it might be).

Let's trade Hall and Rogers to the Cheifs or Bengals and see how they like that.

Hall is time bomb and I think he's started to tick......

Springs really should learn to speak for himself and no one else though.

Hail,

H

Oh pleases, give it a rest. Hall has done nothing "HERE" to be critisized. Go ahead and trade 2 good, young corners that you don't like so we can get 2 corners that aren't worth a nickle that can't play, but are likable guys.:doh:

[Metalhead387]

Springs shouldn't be, he's a scrub.

[WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3]

If Shawn is right this is not good news about Carlos. He just started to emerge as a solid corner.

Not a good situation.

I'm glad a player spoke up about the lines though. Maybe Vinny will start to feel some pressure and draft some linemen (or resign :)).

[SKIN4WAHOOZ]

When asked if it matters whether he, meaning Springs, starts or not he said that it doesn't since he can play three positions. He says he is easy going so it really didn't matter whether the coaches told him if he was starting 15 minutes before the game or not.




lets see...carlos is pissed he isnt starting and we are trying to get rid of him. springs doesnt care if he starts or not and we are trying to keep him. WTF


springs while you are giving some advice...take some. quit being a ***** and play some damn games.

[TMat184]

Shawn Springs is a great player period when healthy. Prob being, he's very rarely truly healthy.... He needs to take responsibility for some of our problems as well. He's not a player you can count on yet he has a ginormous salary.

[DeadExField]

None of our DBs are good enough to be talking about anyone elses job security. Springs didn't contribute enough to even have an opinion. He may be a veteran, but he isn't getting any better either. Title should be changed to 'Springs not sure is Springs or Springs will be back'

[GaryGreenMonk]

if we lose Hall and Rogers...

we are screwed beyond belief.

[The Enforcer]

I honestly don't see how what Springs said in this interview is any different than what Ray Lewis said to his coaches before they drafted Ngata (he's a beast at DT). Ray said that if they want him to return to form, then they need to draft a DT to keep the offensive tackles off him. And what did the Front office do? They said welcome to Haloti Ngata.

Hopefully our front office will respond in a similar way. And I feel like CP's comments may even help towards this conclusion because he was effectively saying that the problem wasn't the OL, it was the playcalling and everybody messing with the running game. So it seems the players are begging the front office to address the DL.

I pray Vinnie will listen. And Even Vinny admitted that we need a DT to collapse the pocket. He did say that last year before the draft and did not do anything to address that need last year, but hopefully he will realize that its still a need and draft accordingly.

You hope this happens but I honestly don't think that it will.

[skinpride1]

Hey you Idiot named Vinny all you have to do is fix the lines and bring a pass rush it's not that complicated!!!!
:doh: get a brain you idiots!!!!

[Forever21]

Of course DB's want to play on teams with a pass rush...it makes their jobs 10 times easier!

[HailGreen28]

Of course DB's want to play on teams with a pass rush...it makes their jobs 10 times easier!Ironically QFT. Remember Walt Harris? He got burnt here in Washington so much, his nickname might've well have been "Toast". Goes to San Fran, Pro Bowl that first year. Done well since then. The main reason? San Fran has a pass rush.

[Forever21]

Ironically QFT. Remember Walt Harris? He got burnt here in Washington so much, his nickname might've well have been "Toast". Goes to San Fran, Pro Bowl that first year. Done well since then. The main reason? San Fran has a pass rush.

Yeppers.

We have the secondary to grab some serious INT's if our pass rush could get there 1-2 seconds sooner. one pocket collapsing DT is all we need. But then again how many NFL teams are saying the same thing, it's not like they grow on trees.

[Timmy Smith]

The fans know Cerrato is a joke, the players know Cerrato is a joke, but the owner still doesn't? What a franchise...

[Thinking Skins]

Yeppers.

We have the secondary to grab some serious INT's if our pass rush could get there 1-2 seconds sooner. one pocket collapsing DT is all we need. But then again how many NFL teams are saying the same thing, it's not like they grow on trees.

But its one thing to have tried and failed, its something completely different to have never tried at all.

I mean even Matt Millen and the Lions tried with Shaun Rodgers! :doh:

[gortiz]

Springs needs to be gone. I hope he will not be with this team next year. Wasted money.

yeah man, someone should have told you ...

this site is for the redskins, it's a "redskins" message board.

the "springs" everyone is talking about is the redskins corner back, first name shawn

now, armed with that info, get back at it and start postin ... good luck.

:doh:

[Buford]

Springs is so detached from this team during the season and after.....what does he know?

I could see either Carlos or Hall gone? But not both. What would the point there be?

Also, I'd offer Springs to any team willing to give up anything. Even a 7th rounder. I don't want him released and then have a healthy season for Dallas. Rather see him in Oakland or Detroit.

[Forever21]

But its one thing to have tried and failed, its something completely different to have never tried at all.

I mean even Matt Millen and the Lions tried with Shaun Rodgers! :doh:

I agree. I wanted a DE/DT last year but by the time our picks came up there really wasn't a game changer left so I think they made the right call. This could be a very telling offseason in many ways.

[tex]

skins salary cap numbers are pretty lousy and old habits die hard. even if dan and vinny make a u-turn and focus on acquiring line talent it's a given they will bring in over hyped over the hill type guys other teams are looking to unload.

[STaylorLayintheWOOD]

if our front office somehow ended up with neither one of these guys then they really truly have lost their minds. although i dont see it happening one bit, i wouldnt be surprised with it either knowing our history. i really hope we keep both.

[TMat184]

skins salary cap numbers are pretty lousy and old habits die hard. even if dan and vinny make a u-turn and focus on acquiring line talent it's a given they will bring in over hyped over the hill type guys other teams are looking to unload.

Yeah, luckily it's not like the entire line is bad. we just need quality depth at LT and G as Samuels and Thomas are both very very good players. We def need a stud RT and an upgrade at C though IMO.

[SkinsNumberOne]

Springs can talk all he wants. Hall is already on record specifically saying "Some CBs would not like the situation on how the Redskins play defense, but I don't mind."

He said this on Redskins late night. I believe him. I think he'll be looking for a decent payday though, so I'm pretty hesitant since I think once he gets paid he may return to being a cancer. Ugh

[SkinsNumberOne]

if we lose Hall and Rogers...

we are screwed beyond belief.
If all things were to stay the same, yes.

[IHOPSkins]

.....Campbell is going to have to develop more of a leadership role.....This does not suprise me

2008 should have been better

[Blackest Eyes]

This offseason could easily be a huge **** show.

[HailGreen28]

If all things were to stay the same, yes.I'd argue that Vinny is getting even more screwed up if he trades / lets Hall or Rogers walk. Period. Regardless of what else happens. We got a chance to lock in two good CBs, or make the same mistake of letting Ryan (doing well in Pitt, thankyouverymuch) and Pierce (doing well in NY thankyouverymuch) over and over again.

Now if some other team offers big bucks, like Dockery or Clements got, then yeah for once let some OTHER team overpay for a free agent. But I don't understand why there's talk of keeping the expensive old already missing too many games Springs, but letting two guys we could pencil in as starters for the next few years (at least!) walk. :doh:

[terpfan]

Great so the only part of our defense that is actually talented doesnt want to bear here. Christ...

[Skins4SB]

Who doesn't want to be here? Reading these kind of topic just depress me about the future of the Redskins. I hope both Hall and Rogers stay. We should let Springs go unless he takes a salary hit.

[Koolblue13]

This offseason could easily be a huge **** show.

After a new HC comes in and gets a season under his belt, we go out and find the players that coach feels he needs. Snyderatto rules at doing this.

Snyder will spend this offseaon. We will get a few FAs. There is no way we don't. We will lose a few players as well.

Zorn has no loyalty to the old Gibbs crew, so he can freely cut anybody who doesn't want to be here and good.

This will be a fun Off Season that we will win. I just hope it translates to more wins next season.

[SKINchiefer]

Corners strive off pass rushes. Wouldn't you want one?

[SKINchiefer]

After a new HC comes in and gets a season under his belt, we go out and find the players that coach feels he needs. Snyderatto rules at doing this.

Snyder will spend this offseaon. We will get a few FAs. There is no way we don't. We will lose a few players as well.

Zorn has no loyalty to the old Gibbs crew, so he can freely cut anybody who doesn't want to be here and good.

This will be a fun Off Season that we will win. I just hope it translates to more wins next season.

Amen..

[Koolblue13]

Amen..

I praised Snyder. You have to blast me, not praise my comment. I think it's in the rules somewhere.

[SKINchiefer]

I praised Snyder. You have to blast me, not praise my comment. I think it's in the rules somewhere.

I was born to bend the rules..lol

[BraveWarrior]

He basically summed up the end of year collapse by saying that last year they were coming together as a team, this year he said they didnt come together as a team.
I'm all for having a happy team that loves being together, but I think that takes a backseat to professionalism. I don't think every guy in the locker room needs to be holding hands singing "kum-bye-****ing-yah" to have a succesful team. Sure, you don't need cancerous situations like the Cowboys with TO and Pacman, but I'm sure there are teams that are succesful without being the tightest bunch of friends. They are co-workers who come in and get their jobs done without whining about it because that's what they are paid (handsomely) to do.

I think this team has an inordinate number of players who are thin skinned and get their feelings hurt too easy. Hey Carlos, if you don't like being benched in favor of Hall, you should have held on to some of those potential INTs that hit you in the hands. Clinton, you don't like Zorn's play calling? What are you doing telling Jon Thompson? He's not your coach, and he can't fix it for you.

Yes, the team needs to improve in several areas, and yes, they need to fire Vinny and get a real team-builder of a GM. But none of the whining and airing of dirty laundry in the media is going to accomplish anything. Donavan McNabb gets benched midway through the season, and while he did whine a little, he mostly sucked it up and played better, and now he and his team are one game away from the Superowl when they looked left for dead back in November.

[kingdaddy]

Defense wins championships. The Ravens, Steelers, Eagles and even the Cardinals are all playing extremely well on defense right now. While the Skins have a very good defense, it's not an opportunistic one that forces turnovers or causes much fear in opponents. Put me down as hoping our entire draft is defense while we concentrate on O-line in free agency. A dominating defense has a way of overcoming whatever offensive shortcomings a team has (see Baltimore, Philly)......and, hopefully, in year two of his system, Zorn's offense will be much better.

[ressecup1987]

Keep in mind we dont necessarily need to DRAFT all lineman. I prefer us working the free agency and maybe trading for lineman with experience who will produce right away.

[Skinz4Life12]

I hope we sign Hall and decides to stay in Washington.

Same with Los

[Rocky21]

Follow the rank and file... and support the Redskins (ie. Front Office) regardless.... they obviously know better than anyone else.Die Hard speaks the truth. Can I make this my new signature?

[Rocky21]

And please tell us all something we do not already know: We need a good DL and an OL to win. We know it. The problem is Cerrato doesn't know it.

[Darc Requiem]

Keep in mind we dont necessarily need to DRAFT all lineman. I prefer us working the free agency and maybe trading for lineman with experience who will produce right away.

True but you want to get young talent when possible. If a guy is a really good young lineman, he probably won't hit the market. Getting a older vet here and there is fine, but older vets are only a short term solution. Ideally you would only want to pick them up if your team has a few holes. If your team has several holes, they'll get old on you and you'll have to replace them again. :2cents:

[SkinsNumberOne]

I'd argue that Vinny is getting even more screwed up if he trades / lets Hall or Rogers walk. Period. Regardless of what else happens. We got a chance to lock in two good CBs, or make the same mistake of letting Ryan (doing well in Pitt, thankyouverymuch) and Pierce (doing well in NY thankyouverymuch) over and over again.

Now if some other team offers big bucks, like Dockery or Clements got, then yeah for once let some OTHER team overpay for a free agent. But I don't understand why there's talk of keeping the expensive old already missing too many games Springs, but letting two guys we could pencil in as starters for the next few years (at least!) walk. :doh:
I think our team history tells us that if Vinny lets good players go we generally do not improve, yes. This is the problem with not having great scouting.

The Patriots can say goodbye to players who we (our management and fanbase) would view as "irreplaceable" and find people to replace them.
They lose Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, all sorts of players who play supposedly important roles on their team, but they find ways to replace those players. They can do that because of their scouting. We generally can't.

I was envisioning Vinny switching to a DL heavy kind of defense where the DL is strong. If so, losing Rogers and Hall would be less important, because their ability to cover receivers downfield and for long amounts of time is not as important if we can get pressure. The Giants had some success with CBs who are not nearly as talented as ours because they have been big on DL for years now.

Will that happen? I doubt it. If I had to guess, I'd say that Hall will be kept, but I'm not as sure about Rogers. It could be the opposite though. I'd be surprised if we lost both. I guess you never know though; and it should depend on what they ask for too. We can't just keep paying exorbitant amounts for players unless we view them as absolute must-haves (and even then, there has to be a limit).

[danthemann71]

Springs says what Clinton is doing by speaking out on the radio can't happen.


Wait, what's Springs doing right now?

[BeanBurr1to]

You guys really think it's our players? Carter and JT along with Marcus seem like we should have a great pass rush. But WE DO NOT HAVE A GOOD DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR, period.

[Ingtar]

You guys really think it's our players? Carter and JT along with Marcus seem like we should have a great pass rush. But WE DO NOT HAVE A GOOD DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR, period.

JT and MW are washed up. Too many years, too many injuries. Carter was never that good in the first place.

Blatche may not be great, but he also doesn't have the pieces to work with.

[WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3]

You guys really think it's our players? Carter and JT along with Marcus seem like we should have a great pass rush. But WE DO NOT HAVE A GOOD DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR, period.

Did you watch the games?

The defensive coordinator isn't responsible for JT getting manhandled one-on-one every pass play.

Marcus was always injured and when he was healthy he looked like he was injured.

Andre was the victim of no push up the middle and no push off the other edge. He could actually get up the field to the QB.

[DGREENHULK]

See thats the problem with Springs he thinks he is a coach or a GM....truth is he is still a player that can't stay healthy enough to contribute to the team. Send him to Dallas so Moss can fly by him and keep Rogers and Hall.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

wait, a guy on our own team thinks our pass rush is a joke? and that corners want to be on teams with a pass rush? this is shocking news everybody. i thought a pass rush was overrated, just like sacks. hell our own "containment" d coordinator even thinks so!

this isnt a surprise, our pass rush is a joke. ive said it before, with the talent we have in the secondary, if we had a legit pass rush we'd be the best defense in the league. but our idiot GM wont pay attention to the dline so therefore we rank 4-10 and cant make big stops when needed.

[stwasm]

So, the Redskins will get older and essentially trot out the same line-up while every other NFC East team gets younger and faster. To put this in prespective, the Eagles have THREE draft picks in the first two rounds while the Redskins have four total. This coming season has all the signs of a train wreck. A bad one!

[Dick Edds]

Springs has this distinct way of saying the things that a truly humble person would say, but in a way that wreaks of insincerity and sarcasm .. he knows the politically correct way to say things on air and during interviews.

But I still, have never to this day, felt that Springs truly wanted to be part of this organization. It was only about the money. And he seems to be a person that holds a grudge, it appears he feels slighted that we asked him to take a pay cut and tried to trade him.

I respect the hell out of him for playing through pain, and always seeming to give his all on the field, not getting in trouble off the field ... and handling it all during a time of sadness for him with what his father is going through.

But when I think of a core redskin during the Gibbs II era, he is the last person I think of. In fact I have always felt that he was out there playing for himself, as a fan I have always had a hard time getting behind him. I wish him well in the future and I truly hope that he can have success somewhere else, for half seasons. I just don't want to see him in the B&G anymore, especially knowing that deep down he is a Cowboys fan.

Does that make me an a-hole? or am I just what my screen name insinuates? I can live with that, just this weird feeling I have always had about him.

[Shilsu]

But I still, have never to this day, felt that Springs truly wanted to be part of this organization. It was only about the money. And he seems to be a person that holds a grudge, it appears he feels slighted that we asked him to take a pay cut and tried to trade him.

But wait a minute... I thought Shawn Springs was supposed to be the reason it's okay we got ripped off in a trade involving a franchise-tagged 25-year old player that is regarded as the #1 corner in the league...

[RenegadeTK]

Mr. Glass (aka springs) is pretty convinced he will be on the roster. while i still think he is good, he has just NEVER struck me as a player who is gonna suit up in that jersey and give it absolutely everything he has.

[Thinking Skins]

It wouldn't surprise me if Springs is JLC's "source"...

[Dick Edds]

But wait a minute... I thought Shawn Springs was supposed to be the reason it's okay we got ripped off in a trade involving a franchise-tagged 25-year old player that is regarded as the #1 corner in the league...

those words never came out of my mouth ... and I'm not getting into a Champ Bailey discussion.

[Dick Edds]

It wouldn't surprise me if Springs is JLC's "source"...

after we tried to get him to take a pay cut, after we tried to trade him ... how could it be anyone else other than him?

he doesn't seem to get upset when we lose, as long as he plays well. At least he doesn't come across that way in his interviews.