ESPN: College Football's Most Prestigious Programs

[Ford]

Something to stir things up in the offseason ... they reveal 1-5 tomorrow.

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849028)

the ESPN Research Department devised a plan to settle the argument. Its system lets the numbers do the talking.

ESPN's Prestige Rankings are a numerical method of ranking the best FBS programs since the 1936 season. Point values were assigned for certain successes (win a national title, earn 25 points) and failures (get your program banned from the postseason, lose two points). The research department ran all the numbers through the computer to come up with the No. 1 program (and Nos. 2 to 119) of the past 73 seasons.

ESPN.com will be rolling out the rankings all week. Fourth stop: teams 6 to 10. Take a look:

6. Alabama Crimson Tide
7. Texas Longhorns
8. Michigan Wolverines
9. Florida State Seminoles
10. Miami Hurricanes


11-15 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3846725)
16-20 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3846173)
21-119 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3842161)
Methodology (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3836130)

[hokie4redskins]

Since 1936? Really? I wonder who #1 is going to be?

:rolleyes:

This must've been some grant fund provided by Notre Dame in some pathetic attempt to convince the country they are still relevant in college football.

I'd be more interested to see this in the last 20 years. Tech would be top 10. Prestige tends to wane over decades of mediocrity.

[TheREALJBird]

I expect the Canes to make up some ground this coming season

[Ford]

I'd be more interested to see this in the last 20 years.

Maybe next year they'll do a hokie4redskins version. Complete nonsense and hypocritical posturing combined with Sagarin conference rankings to determine a winner, perhaps?

[PleaseBlitz]

Since 1936? Really? I wonder who #1 is going to be?

:rolleyes:

This must've been some grant fund provided by Notre Dame in some pathetic attempt to convince the country they are still relevant in college football.

I'd be more interested to see this in the last 20 years. Tech would be top 10. Prestige tends to wane over decades of mediocrity.


My thoughts exactly. I would like to see the last 10 years.


And does any one else think that Alabama at #6 is retarded? They have 1 less NC than ND, but have the single greatest coach in college football history, and havent been completely irrelevant for the past decade. Not to mention TWENTY ONE SEC Championships (Notre Dame conference championships: Zero). NCAA record 56 bowl games, NCAA record 31 bowl wins, NCAA record eight perfect, undefeated and untied, seasons, 21 10-game win streaks, and is only second to the Oklahoma Sooners with 29 10–win seasons. Against current SEC programs, Alabama holds a winning record against every team.

Maybe im just biased that thier success has been more recent (70's versus 40's) and that they play against tougher competition. :whoknows: They obviously suffered since the methodology included points for individual awards like the Heisman, which Bama has none.

An arguement could be made for them to be #1. #6 is just ridiculous.

I assume 1-5 will be:

Notre Dame
USC
OSU
Nebraska
Oklahoma

In that order, but Neb and OU may be switched.

[hokie4redskins]

Maybe next year they'll do a hokie4redskins version. Complete nonsense and hypocritical posturing combined with Sagarin conference rankings to determine a winner, perhaps?

:laugh:

It's funny hearing OU fans talk smack. Shouldn't you be wallowing in some hole right now trying to convince yourself that your coach and program aren't an overrated scam that has bamboozled Sooner country.....and the BCS?

Just curious.

[PleaseBlitz]

Also, for the record, WVU being lower than Syracuse made me laugh. WVU being lower than Pitt made me :puke:

VT being only one spot ahead of Duke just shows how completely ridiculous this whole exercise is.

[hokie4redskins]

Also, for the record, WVU being lower than Syracuse made me laugh. WVU being lower than Pitt made me :puke:

VT being only one spot ahead of Duke just shows how completely ridiculous this whole exercise is.

Indeed.

I suspect this makes Sooner fans feel better after becoming Ohio State West.

[Forehead]

Since 1936? Really? I wonder who #1 is going to be?

:rolleyes:

This must've been some grant fund provided by Notre Dame in some pathetic attempt to convince the country they are still relevant in college football.

I'd be more interested to see this in the last 20 years. Tech would be top 10. Prestige tends to wane over decades of mediocrity.

Of course you would, but this wasn't called the "Make Virginia Tech look as good as possible" rankings. Penn State was #11 in this, but you don't hear me saying "They should have just done this based on just the 80's" just to assure PSU a Top 5 spot. You have to look at a lot of history to determine "prestige" in college football. I don't like Notre Dame either, but their spot is going to be deserved.

Besides which, a 172-72-2 record over the last 20 years (yeah, I looked it up) is good, but not worldbeating by college football standards, not to mention the 7-9 bowl record and 0 national championships.

For comparison sake, Penn State (and don't take this as tooting our horn, it's just the team I know best) is 171-73-1 over the last 20 years, with an 11-5 bowl record. And yet, people claim that our program is on the decline. If Va. Tech is in the Top 10 over the last 20 years, that would mean that Penn State is right there with them, and I guarantee you Penn State is NOT in the top-10 over the last 20 years.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I just think Va. Tech folks have a real tendency to overrate themselves.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I agree, going back to 1936 is complete crap

I think doing it in 10 year increments would be cool

Also realizing how much CFB has changed since the major conference re-alignments of the early 1990s (Big 12 in particular, SEC) and powers that rise and fall

[PleaseBlitz]

Indeed.

I suspect this makes Sooner fans feel better after becoming Ohio State West.

Well, i dont think thats quite fair. OSU beats up on awful garbage teams during the regular season that make up 95% of their schedule and gets crushed everytime they play a big boy football team (USC, Florida, Texas, LSU).

OU plays a very tough confernce schedule every year, wins most of those games, and just doesnt come through on the big stage. The Boise State game remains one of the best games in college football history. WVU did blow them the hell out, but the Florida game was another hard fought tough game against a really really good team.

[PleaseBlitz]

I don't like Notre Dame either, but their spot is going to be deserved.




Deserved, yes. Relevant, no.


I agree with the rest of your post.

[hokie4redskins]

Of course you would, but this wasn't called the "Make Virginia Tech look as good as possible" rankings. Penn State was #11 in this, but you don't hear me saying "They should have just done this based on just the 80's" just to assure PSU a Top 5 spot. You have to look at a lot of history to determine "prestige" in college football. I don't like Notre Dame either, but their spot is going to be deserved.

Besides which, a 172-72-2 record over the last 20 years (yeah, I looked it up) is good, but not worldbeating by college football standards, not to mention the 7-9 bowl record and 0 national championships.

For comparison sake, Penn State (and don't take this as tooting our horn, it's just the team I know best) is 171-73-1 over the last 20 years, with an 11-5 bowl record. And yet, people claim that our program is on the decline. If Va. Tech is in the Top 10 over the last 20 years, that would mean that Penn State is right there with them, and I guarantee you Penn State is NOT in the top-10 over the last 20 years.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I just think Va. Tech folks have a real tendency to overrate themselves.

Easy Tex.

I'm simply stating that nobody gives a flying fig about college football prior to Hitler's invasion of Poland.

I'm simply stating that it would've been a more interesting "study" if they concentrated on a timeframe when most fans were alive.

Never trashed PSU either. If anybody thinks you're program is in decline, it's because you squeeze two or three seasons of mediocrity between seasons of success. That, and the fact your coach is 97 years old.

And we're not overrating ourselves. Only two other schools besides VT can claim five straight seasons of 10 wins or more; USC, Texas. We're a fine program one MNC short of joining the club of elite. The problem, as with this ridiculous article, is that these so-called "elites" have been living on their prestige from decades past. It's just stupid is all.

Now take a deep breath.

[Forehead]

And we're not overrating ourselves. Only two other schools besides VT can claim five straight seasons of 10 wins or more; USC, Texas. We're a fine program one MNC short of joining the club of elite. The problem, as with this ridiculous article, is that these so-called "elites" have been living on their prestige from decades past. It's just stupid is all.

No worries, I'm not remotely riled up, and I didn't say you were taking a swipe at PSU, I just used them as an example because, as I said, it's the team I know best. My argument is...great, you have 5 seasons of ten wins in a row. A number of schools have done that at some point in their history. The point is, this ESPN thing is about "prestige," a word that by it's nature makes you think of longer periods of time than the last five years.

However, as you did say earlier, I would also be interested in seeing them break it down by decades. From my own personal standpoint, I'd love to see the rankings for the 70's and 80's. I'm pretty sure the Nebraska fans are with me on that one.

[Ford]

:laugh:

It's funny hearing OU fans talk smack. Shouldn't you be wallowing in some hole right now trying to convince yourself that your coach and program aren't an overrated scam that has bamboozled Sooner country.....and the BCS?

Just curious.

Yeah, we're a terrible football program. You really got me there. Find me any period of time that dates to present day in which a number based, objective set of criteria would place the Hokies in front of the Sooners. Please.

[Elessar78]

VT being only one spot ahead of Duke just shows how completely ridiculous this whole exercise is.

you're kidding right? VT's program is a newcomer to the national stage.

[Ford]

I assume 1-5 will be:

Notre Dame
USC
OSU
Nebraska
Oklahoma

In that order, but Neb and OU may be switched.

I doubt OU will be that low. These numbers are dated by about a year and not all of them match the time frame ESPN is using but they are what I could find ..

Victories, 1946-2008
1. Oklahoma 547
2. Penn State 514
3. Texas 513
4. Alabama 511
5. Ohio State 505
6. Nebraska 506
7. Michigan 493
8. Southern Cal 492
9. Tennessee 490
10. Notre Dame 477

Winning Percentage, 1946-2008
1. Oklahoma .76450 (547-165-13)
2. Ohio State .74746 (505-165-20)
3. Penn State .73650 (514-182-9)
4. Michigan .72014 (493-187-15)
5. Texas .71875 (513-197-11)
6. Alabama .70691 (511-207-20)
7. Nebraska .70247 (506-211-10)
8. Southern Cal .70083 (492-203-23)
9. Notre Dame .69296 (477-207-14)
10. Tennessee .69034 (490-213-23)

Weeks Ranked No. 1 in AP Poll
1. Oklahoma 97
2. Notre Dame 95
3. Ohio State 93
4. USC 90
5. Nebraska 70
6. Miami (Fla.) 68
7. Florida State 59
8. Texas 45
9. Alabama 35
10. Michigan 34

Weeks Ranked Top 5 in AP Poll
1. Oklahoma 367
2. Ohio State 301
3. Nebraska 294
4. Notre Dame 276
5. Michigan 272
6. USC 267
7. Alabama 252
8. Texas 248
9. Florida State 204
10. Miami (Fla.) 201

Weeks Ranked No. 1 in BCS
1. Oklahoma 19
2. Ohio State 15
USC 15
4. Florida State 7
Miami (Fla.) 7
6. Nebraska 5
Tennessee 5
8. Alabama 4
9. LSU 2
Texas 2

Weeks Ranked Top 5 in BCS
1. Oklahoma 45
2. USC 36
3. Ohio State 33
4. Miami (Fla.) 30
5. Texas 28
6. Florida 26
7. Florida State 25
8. Virginia Tech 20
9. LSU 17
10. Tennessee 16

AP National Titles (Last)
1. Notre Dame 8 (1988)
2. Oklahoma 7 (2000)
3. Alabama 6 (1992)
4. Miami 5 (2001)
Southern Cal 5 (2004)
6. Minnesota 4 (1960)
Nebraska 4 (1995)
Ohio State 4 (2002)
9. Florida
Texas 3 (2008)
3 (2005)
10. Six Schools 2 (2007)

[hokie4redskins]

Yeah, we're a terrible football program. You really got me there. Find me any period of time that dates to present day in which a number based, objective set of criteria would place the Hokies in front of the Sooners. Please.

Didn't say you were terrible. Said you were vastly overrated. Again, OU is living off of its "prestige." Guaranteed top 5 pre-season lock, guaranteed inside track to MNC. We've seen it before, we'll see it again. The OU hype-machine will be full throttle come August.

But, ok. I'll play. I call it the USC Paradigm.

2004 Season

USC 55 OU 19
USC 24 VT 13

Oh, and we won a BCS game this year. You didn't. See sig.

[Forehead]

Didn't say you were terrible. Said you were vastly overrated. Again, OU is living off of its "prestige."

...

Oh, and we won a BCS game this year. You didn't. See sig.

Okay, not that I want to agree with Ford or anything, because he and I like to disagree plenty, but come on man. You're knocking OU's prestige and pointing out that you won a BCS game "this year."

The whole point of the ESPN thing is about prestige and history, and not just current results. Why are you trying to turn this thread into an argument about what happened in the last year? That was never ESPN's intent when making this list.

[hokie4redskins]

Okay, not that I want to agree with Ford or anything, because he and I like to disagree plenty, but come on man. You're knocking OU's prestige and pointing out that you won a BCS game "this year."

The whole point of the ESPN thing is about prestige and history, and not just current results. Why are you trying to turn this thread into an argument about what happened in the last year? That was never ESPN's intent when making this list.

Not sure what's so hard to understand. I was simply answering Ford's question. He wanted me to name one criterion, I gave him two.

This article is dumb in every way shape and form. Defending it and lending credence to it is even dumber. The only thing with less substance than this are pre-season rankings.

And yes, I am "knocking" prestige, because "prestige" concocts said pre-season ranking every year........which in my opinion are a travesty to college football.

Is it coincidence that people who are trying to disparage me got knocked around like chumps in their BCS bowl games? And I'm not sure what's so prestigious about OU's BCS bowl record of late.

:whoknows:

[Forehead]

Is it coincidence that people who are trying to disparage me got knocked around like chumps in their BCS bowl games? And I'm not sure what's so prestigious about OU's BCS bowl record of late.

:whoknows:

I think you're just angry because you're one spot away from Duke.;) From my point of view, and using your "last 20 years" idea, your school is 1 game better overall than, and has a far worse bowl record, so you're really not saying much to me.

However, if you'd like to continue telling yourself (and the rest of us) that Va. Tech matters on the same level, then there's not much I or anyone else can say to convince you otherwise.

[Spartacus87]

I think you're just angry because you're one spot away from Duke.;) From my point of view, and using your "last 20 years" idea, your school is 1 game better overall than, and has a far worse bowl record, so you're really not saying much to me.

However, if you'd like to continue telling yourself (and the rest of us) that Va. Tech matters on the same level, then there's not much I or anyone else can say to convince you otherwise. Let's just all be honest here.

If VT was ranked in the top 10 in this "prestige" piece, hokie4 would be so quick to trumpet it like it's sacred scripture.

But because the Hokies aren't included with a simple list of the all time big boys of NCAA football, he's being his usual self and trying to somehow degrade everyone else while weakly promoting Tech.

Personally, I don't see any of this article as that big a deal, good or bad. Just some interesting little pieces of information to think over in college football history.

[Forehead]

Let's just all be honest here.

If VT was ranked in the top 10 in this "prestige" piece, hokie4 would be so quick to trumpet it like it's sacred scripture.

But because the Hokies aren't included with a simple list of the all time big boys of NCAA football, he's being his usual self and trying to somehow degrade everyone else while weakly promoting Tech.

Personally, I don't see any of this article as that big a deal, good or bad. Just some interesting little pieces of information to think over in college football history.

Yeah, that pretty much nails it on the head. Concise and accurate.

[PleaseBlitz]

you're kidding right? VT's program is a newcomer to the national stage.

They've done absolutely nothing since the mid 60's and have been quite possibly the single worst D1 team over the past 15 years. I know VT is a reletive newcomer, but c'mon, Duke? Duke.


Let's just all be honest here.

If VT was ranked in the top 10 in this "prestige" piece, hokie4 would be so quick to trumpet it like it's sacred scripture.

But because the Hokies aren't included with a simple list of the all time big boys of NCAA football, he's being his usual self and trying to somehow degrade everyone else while weakly promoting Tech.

Personally, I don't see any of this article as that big a deal, good or bad. Just some interesting little pieces of information to think over in college football history.

Concur.

[hokie4redskins]

Let's just all be honest here.

If VT was ranked in the top 10 in this "prestige" piece, hokie4 would be so quick to trumpet it like it's sacred scripture.

But because the Hokies aren't included with a simple list of the all time big boys of NCAA football, he's being his usual self and trying to somehow degrade everyone else while weakly promoting Tech.

Personally, I don't see any of this article as that big a deal, good or bad. Just some interesting little pieces of information to think over in college football history.

:yawnee:

Check the sig and :stfu:

If it takes bragging about the glory years during the Cuban Missile Crisis to obtain a Top 10 ranking in this rag of an article, you probably wouldn't see me on this forum to begin with.

Speaking of glory from yesteryear, it's funny seeing people claim "unconquered" when they've been a national laughingstock pretty much since Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky were in the White House. But hey, don't feel bad. At least you can pimp your "prestige" ranking.

:thumbsup:

[Ford]

Numbers 1-5 ... again not necessarily a profoundly meaningful exercise but if anything it has stirred up a little healthy back and forth in the all-too-long offseason. :)

1-5 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468)


1. Oklahoma Sooners
Total points: 1,968
Positives: When you look at the big picture of college football since 1936, no program has achieved greatness as consistently as Oklahoma. We didn't even count the fact that Oklahoma owns the longest win streak in FBS history (47) or leads the nation with a .765 winning percentage since World War II. The 1956 Oklahoma team catapulted the Sooners past Notre Dame to the top of the Prestige Rankings, and it's been in the top spot ever since. OU's seven national titles have spanned four decades. The Sooners have finished in the final poll's top 5 an astounding 29 times. But the real fuel for OU's rise to the top of our rankings has been its conference dominance. The Sooners finished the regular season with at least a share of their conference's best record a stunning 39 times, seven more than any other program in the country.
Negatives: Oklahoma was downright mediocre in the '90s. The Sooners ranked 51st in that decade's rankings, directly behind Hawaii. OU also didn't have a single major bowl win and suffered through three losing seasons. The Oklahoma program also has been punished by the NCAA to varying degrees six separate times in its history.
Through the decades: Through 1958: 1st | 1968: 1st | 1978: 1st | 1988: 1st | 1998: 1st
Did you know? Oklahoma has been voted the No. 1 team in the country by the AP a record 97 times, including twice this past season to break a tie with Notre Dame.

2. USC Trojans
Total points: 1,897
Positives: With 513 points in 11 seasons (almost 100 more than its nearest competitor), the Trojans have been the undisputed king of the BCS era. USC's special 2004 season accounted for 118 points, which is one point shy of '93 Florida State's Prestige Rankings season record. It has enjoyed the services of an astounding 17 consensus All-Americans in the last seven seasons. USC has finished in the top 3 in annual Prestige Points in each of those seven seasons. USC also is the top-scoring program in the 1970s and is tied with Notre Dame and Ohio State for the most all-time Heisman winners with seven.
Negatives: It's amazing how USC's recent success has overshadowed its mediocrity in the 1990s. The Trojans didn't enjoy a single 10-win season between 1989 and 2001. It is barely over .500 (37-35) in the last five years of that stretch before Pete Carroll came to town. If you look at just the '90s, USC has fewer Prestige Points than schools like Syracuse, Wisconsin and BYU. USC was also docked for minus-29 points on our probation scoring system.
Through the decades: Through 1958: 8th | 1968: 5th | 1978: 3rd | 1988: 3rd | 1998: 5th
Did you know? If you altered our points system such that it did not include any points for best conference records or conference title game bonuses, USC would edge Oklahoma for the top spot by 11 points.

3. Ohio State Buckeyes
Total points: 1,655
Positives: Dripping with football tradition, Ohio State has been a fixture in the Prestige Rankings for the past half-century. In 1968-69, the Buckeyes racked up 190 points alone. As a point of reference, that's more than the highly successful Boise State program has earned in the last decade combined. OSU is the No. 5 program in the 1970s, and it could have been much higher had it not been for its "Ten-Year War" with Michigan during that time. Even for all the flack that John Cooper received for his 2-10-1 record against Michigan, he is responsible for a boatload of NFL 1st-round draft picks. The recent knock on OSU has been its failure to win the big bowl games, but that hasn't stopped them from finishing in the top 5 in all but two of the last seven seasons. Plus, the five-time national champions should like their spot in the Prestige Rankings ahead of their longtime rival to the north.
Negatives: The Buckeyes would have been a threat for the top spot in our rankings if not for the lack of dominating seasons in the '80s after Woody Hayes was fired. And if they had been able to knock off Florida and LSU in the two recent BCS National Championship Games, the Buckeyes would have really been nipping at USC's heels for the BCS-era crown.
Through the decades: Through 1958: 5th | 1968: 6th | 1978: 6th | 1988: 6th | 1998: 6th
Did you know? Ohio State has just five losing seasons since 1936 (and just two since 1960). That's the fewest among any program that's been around that long.

4. Notre Dame Fighting Irish
Total points: 1,579
Positives: A true blue blood of the sport, Notre Dame is synonymous with college football. The Fighting Irish won four national titles in a seven-year span in the '40s. The Golden Domers had another golden era in the '70s, when a national-high 18 consensus All-Americans helped them win it all two more times. Notre Dame was also the early dominator in our Prestige Rankings through 1955. The next season was a historic one, with ND's Paul Hornung winning the Heisman Trophy despite being on a 2-8 Irish squad. Notre Dame is still the all-time leader in consensus All-Americans with 77.
Negatives: Notre Dame haters would be quick to notice that the Irish earned almost a third of their Prestige Points before 1950. Of course, Notre Dame's recent struggles have been well documented, but we have to continue to pile it on here. ND has just one bowl win since 1994. Since 2000, Notre Dame has a third of the first-round draft picks that Boston College has (2 to 6). And since 1998, Notre Dame ranks 30th in the country, behind four non-BCS schools and both Oregon teams.
Through the decades: Through 1958: 2nd | 1968: 2nd | 1978: 2nd | 1988: 4th | 1998: 2nd
Did you know? Since 1995, Notre Dame has fewer consensus All-Americans than Northwestern.

5. Nebraska Cornhuskers
Total points: 1,553
Positives: Nebraska has five national titles, including two sets of back-to-back titles (1970-71, 1994-95). They followed up the 1994-95 titles with a shared title in 1997. The Huskers also have enjoyed the services of three Heisman winners: RB Johnny Rodgers (1972), RB Mike Rozier (1983) and QB Eric Crouch (2001). Nebraska ranks in the top five in numerous categories such as major bowl appearances (30, T-2nd), 10-win seasons (23, 3rd), bowl appearances (45, 4th), conference titles (26, T-4th), weeks at AP No. 1 (70, 5th) and major bowl wins (14, 5th).
Negatives: Nebraska isn't among the elite in the first three decades of the AP poll era. The Huskers are in 35th place in the Prestige Rankings when the 1950s began. Things didn't turn around quickly after that either. In fact, Nebraska had 17 losing seasons in a 21-season span between 1941 and 1961. More recently, Nebraska has produced only two first-round picks this decade, while finishing the season unranked in four of its last five seasons.
Through the decades: Through 1958: 49th | 1968: 23rd | 1978: 8th | 1988: 7th | 1998: 4th
Did you know? Nebraska had a record 35 consecutive bowl appearances from 1969 to 2003. The longest current bowl-appearance streak belongs to Florida State, which has 27.

[Ford]

Also, as requested ...

BCS Era vs. All-time (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/insider/news/story?id=3853099)
80s and 90s (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3852242)
50s, 60s, and 70s (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3852887)

[PleaseBlitz]

I dont have Insider anymore. :(

[Spartacus87]

:yawnee:

Check the sig and :stfu:

If it takes bragging about the glory years during the Cuban Missile Crisis to obtain a Top 10 ranking in this rag of an article, you probably wouldn't see me on this forum to begin with.

Speaking of glory from yesteryear, it's funny seeing people claim "unconquered" when they've been a national laughingstock pretty much since Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky were in the White House. But hey, don't feel bad. At least you can pimp your "prestige" ranking.

:thumbsup: Oh ok.

Again, it's a "rag of an article" just because it doesn't fit your normal VT propaganda agenda.

Sorry, tough luck that VT doesn't mean crap yet in terms of the history of college football. Doesn't take away from what they've done in recent years, it just means in the whole scope of the game they're nothing more than a footnote. But of course, that's a tough pill to swallow for you, so you can't take it, that much is clear. Especially must hurt to see Miami and FSU, two teams you loathe, mentioned as part of the big boys club, but not Tech.

A national laughing stock? Florida State?

Here's the thing, when people talk about "FSU trying to get back to being Florida State," that's an awfully high bar to get back to. Finishing ranked in the top 5 for 15 consecutive years, five national championship appearances and two titles, the first team to go wire-to-wire #1...that's a pretty damn hard period of time for any program to get back to. But there's nothing real "laughing stock" about FSU today. The past two years have been good building blocks, and next year is shaping up to be even better. Anyone with can see that, as long as there's no bias used to look at the facts and reality.

Also, what's laughable is Tech as some kind of premiere program that carries the ACC, an idea you always try to push. The Orange Bowl this past year was the lowest rated BCS game of all time, drawing a 5.4 overall rating. FSU's blowout win in the Champs Sports Bowl meanwhile, drew a 5.2 overall on ESPN, making it the 2nd highest rated bowl game ever for that network.

The reality is, the big money makers for the ACC are FSU and Miami. The ACC absolutely needs both of those programs to start going to national title games and BCS bowls consistently before people stop ragging on it for being a lesser conference. And this prestige article explains why both those programs mean so much to the ACC, and that's really why you hate it. Because even with Tech having their run right now, it's still not close to where FSU and Miami have been, and not close to what the conference needs.

[TheREALJBird]

Oh ok.

Again, it's a "rag of an article" just because it doesn't fit your normal VT propaganda agenda.

Sorry, tough luck that VT doesn't mean crap yet in terms of the history of college football. Doesn't take away from what they've done in recent years, it just means in the whole scope of the game they're nothing more than a footnote. But of course, that's a tough pill to swallow for you, so you can't take it, that much is clear. Especially must hurt to see Miami and FSU, two teams you loathe, mentioned as part of the big boys club, but not Tech.

A national laughing stock? Florida State?

Here's the thing, when people talk about "FSU trying to get back to being Florida State," that's an awfully high bar to get back to. Finishing ranked in the top 5 for 15 consecutive years, five national championship appearances and two titles, the first team to go wire-to-wire #1...that's a pretty damn hard period of time for any program to get back to. But there's nothing real "laughing stock" about FSU today. The past two years have been good building blocks, and next year is shaping up to be even better. Anyone with can see that, as long as there's no bias used to look at the facts and reality.

Also, what's laughable is Tech as some kind of premiere program that carries the ACC, an idea you always try to push. The Orange Bowl this past year was the lowest rated BCS game of all time, drawing a 5.4 overall rating. FSU's blowout win in the Champs Sports Bowl meanwhile, drew a 5.2 overall on ESPN, making it the 2nd highest rated bowl game ever for that network.

The reality is, the big money makers for the ACC are FSU and Miami. The ACC absolutely needs both of those programs to start going to national title games and BCS bowls consistently before people stop ragging on it for being a lesser conference. And this prestige article explains why both those programs mean so much to the ACC, and that's really why you hate it. Because even with Tech having their run right now, it's still not close to where FSU and Miami have been, and not close to what the conference needs.

Well said, agree 100%

[Forehead]

Also, as requested ...

BCS Era vs. All-time (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/insider/news/story?id=3853099)
80s and 90s (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3852242)
50s, 60s, and 70s (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3852887)

As I suspected, Penn States glory years....#8 in the 70's, #4 in the 80's, #8 in the 90's. Miles better than Va. Tech.

Oh ok.

Again, it's a "rag of an article" just because it doesn't fit your normal VT propaganda agenda.

Sorry, tough luck that VT doesn't mean crap yet in terms of the history of college football. Doesn't take away from what they've done in recent years, it just means in the whole scope of the game they're nothing more than a footnote. But of course, that's a tough pill to swallow for you, so you can't take it, that much is clear. Especially must hurt to see Miami and FSU, two teams you loathe, mentioned as part of the big boys club, but not Tech.

A national laughing stock? Florida State?

Here's the thing, when people talk about "FSU trying to get back to being Florida State," that's an awfully high bar to get back to. Finishing ranked in the top 5 for 15 consecutive years, five national championship appearances and two titles, the first team to go wire-to-wire #1...that's a pretty damn hard period of time for any program to get back to. But there's nothing real "laughing stock" about FSU today. The past two years have been good building blocks, and next year is shaping up to be even better. Anyone with can see that, as long as there's no bias used to look at the facts and reality.

Also, what's laughable is Tech as some kind of premiere program that carries the ACC, an idea you always try to push. The Orange Bowl this past year was the lowest rated BCS game of all time, drawing a 5.4 overall rating. FSU's blowout win in the Champs Sports Bowl meanwhile, drew a 5.2 overall on ESPN, making it the 2nd highest rated bowl game ever for that network.

The reality is, the big money makers for the ACC are FSU and Miami. The ACC absolutely needs both of those programs to start going to national title games and BCS bowls consistently before people stop ragging on it for being a lesser conference. And this prestige article explains why both those programs mean so much to the ACC, and that's really why you hate it. Because even with Tech having their run right now, it's still not close to where FSU and Miami have been, and not close to what the conference needs.

This was complete ownage. I don't like Florida State or anything, but I respect your program a hell of a lot more than the Hokies.

[hokie4redskins]

As I suspected, Penn States glory years....#8 in the 70's, #4 in the 80's, #8 in the 90's. Miles better than Va. Tech.



This was complete ownage. I don't like Florida State or anything, but I respect your program a hell of a lot more than the Hokies.

Well, considering Beamer didn't make VT successful until 1993, it's not really a shock PSU was "miles better than Va. Tech" in the 70's and 80's. And why did you leave out the BCS Era? Guess us non-Insider subscribers will just have to wonder.

And if you consider that "ownage," you probably have the mental capacity of a lemur. To me, it sounded like a bunch of hate being spewed by a bitter Nole who's witnessed Beamer replace Bowden on the ACC pedestal. If there's any "ownage" going on, it's VT's ownage of the ACC. We run that conference. FSU knows it. Miami knows. Everybody knows it. Three out of five ACC championships speaks for itself.

And seriously son, hearing you talk trash after USC *****-slapped you on national television is hilarious.

But congratulations dude, your program's prestige rankings before I was born is quite impressive.

:ciao:

[Spartacus87]

Well, considering Beamer didn't make VT successful until 1993, it's not really a shock PSU was "miles better than Va. Tech" in the 70's and 80's. And why did you leave out the BCS Era? Guess us non-Insider subscribers will just have to wonder.

And if you consider that "ownage," you probably have the mental capacity of a lemur. To me, it sounded like a bunch of hate being spewed by a bitter Nole who's witnessed Beamer replace Bowden on the ACC pedestal. If there's any "ownage" going on, it's VT's ownage of the ACC. We run that conference. FSU knows it. Miami knows. Everybody knows it. Three out of five ACC championships speaks for itself.

And seriously son, hearing you talk trash after USC *****-slapped you on national television is hilarious.

But congratulations dude, your program's prestige rankings before I was born is quite impressive.

:ciao: Again, nice tactics of switching the argument to trashing someone else's program instead of rationally defending Tech. The same song and dance that sets you up to be easily clowned.

Yeah, Beamer's really replaced Bowden. The only thing he's replaced Bowden in is being the ACC head coach with the fire lit under him to finally can his crappy OC. But considering Beamer's beaten Bowden all of one time in his career, and Beamer has zero national titles to Bowden's two...I think it's fair to say you're the only person in the world who would say something so ridiculous (but unsurprising coming from you).

Yeah, you run the conference. Keep telling yourself that. Three out of five ACC titles, that's some pretty impressive hardware compared to what Miami and FSU have on display. Maybe one day you can finally have a crystal football or two to put somewhere. How many Heisman winners does Tech have in their history again? None? I forgot VT was such a top tier NFL factory as well. Wait, nevermind about that part too.

Of course, you only care about talking about the past when it fits your VT agenda, like if you're bringing up some random game against WVU one time or something, but if it works against Tech, then you'd rather not discuss it or hear about it because who wants to live in the past right?

VT really pulls in the big ratings and national attention for the ACC. Really, for as much as you defend the ACC and knock the other conferences, you really should actually cheer for FSU and Miami. Because the ACC isn't going anywhere with VT representing it, and everybody knows that.

[Forehead]

Well, considering Beamer didn't make VT successful until 1993, it's not really a shock PSU was "miles better than Va. Tech" in the 70's and 80's. And why did you leave out the BCS Era? Guess us non-Insider subscribers will just have to wonder.

Again, this whole article was about prestige, not what is currently occuring.

But as I already pointed out, in the "last 20 years" (your timeframe) Virginia Tech is all of 1 game better than Penn State, and has a far worse bowl record, 7-9 for Va. Tech, 11-5 for Penn State. Penn State's record in BCS bowl games during that span (though they may not have been BCS games further back) is 3-1. Those victories were over very good programs...Oregon, Florida State, and Texas. Our loss was this most recent year to USC, also a very respected program.

Of your 7-9 record, you've been to "BCS" games 7 times, and you sport a 2-5 record. Keep in mind this is during the last 20 years, your "glory period." One of those victories was over a football powerhouse, Cincinnati...oh wait, no. There's a reason that Penn State often gets the job done in its bowl games, and Tech doesn't. Maybe your boys don't handle the national stage well, who knows. But continue focusing on last year...at least we were playing USC, not Cincy. I also recall someone losing to a powerhouse like East Carolina this season...who was that again? Face it, you got to the Orange Bowl because your conference as a whole was on a down year, no 4 loss team should be representing anything.

And lets not forget every Redskins fan's favorite argument, especially when talking to Philly fans...Super Bowls, or in this case, National Championships. Penn State has two, and would have competed for a 3rd if they had a BCS setup back in the mid-90's. Tech, to my knowledge, has been to the big game 1 time. And Florida State beat you. There's no shiny #1 trophy in your case, but there's a couple in the cases of our teams, the people you're attempting to talk **** to.

Let's look at the college football Hall of Fame:

Penn State has 21 enshrinees, including 5 coaches. Virginia Tech has 6, 2 of whom are coaches. 4 players...and only one since 1970. That's just awesome.

Let's look at the pro football hall of fame. Penn State has 5 members in the pro football hall of fame. Virginia Tech...big fat zero.

As I've said before, congratulations for being on the scene for a decade. Congratualtions on your horrible bowl record, zero national championships, and inability to produce long-term successful pros since Bruce Smith. Really, you've done a bang-up job.

[Gator Bait]

two national championships in the past three years....look down

[Forehead]

two national championships in the past three years....look down

Ain't no one talking to you Finkle;) Either lay it on Tech like you're supposed to, or get the hell out.:cool:

[Gator Bait]

Ain't no one talking to you Finkle;) Either lay it on Tech like you're supposed to, or get the hell out.:cool:

I've got nothin' but love for tech...but as some has said previously....they just came onto the scene about 20 years ago.

VT is a middle of the road program to me....they consistently win conference titles but have only played for one national championship, and lost.

Until tech can win a national championship they will not be considered elite (in my book) but they are definitely above average. That goes for any other college football team that hasn't won it all.

[hokie4redskins]

:blahblah:

I think 3 out of 5 conference championships is a pretty rational defense of VT's program. What do you think? Again, for your reference, check sig.

When Beamer is 300 years old like Bowden, then we can compare their respective careers. Bowden has been a D-I HC for probably 20 years longer than Beamer at least. And frankly, Bowden hasn't done jack squat in nearly a decade but steer a once proud program into the ground. Should get even better when those self-imposed NCAA sanctions smack FSU across the face.

The fact that you don't think VT is an NFL factory only exposes your ignorance. We've had 39 players drafted since 2002 and countless UDFAs signed.

http://www.dietzdesignz.com/prohokie/

How many has FSU had since 2002? More? Probably. But not by much. But if so, Bowden's got nothing to show for it. If FSU is sending all that talent to the NFL every year, FSU's mediocrity of late only shows Bowden's incompetence. Hearing you trash Beamer is laughable at best, and bitter delusion at worst.

And yes, we DO run the conference. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for Virginia Tech, ACC expansion would have been the biggest failure since the Bay of Pigs Invasion. The only team not living up to their end of the bargain worse than FSU is Miami. We've carried the conference and you know this. ****, even BC has been of more value to the conference and they have ZERO business being in the ACC to begin with. But keep spinning.

:thumbsup:

I don't mind living in the past. But when you start talking about the couple decades post-World War II, you're just getting pathetic. Even the 80's at this point are irrelevant.

And television ratings? Really? Is that way ESPN makes sure to put us on Thursday night twice a year? Herbstreit and Fowler have been our biggest supporters since 1999. ESPN loves VT and this is fact.

And if you're referring to the Orange Bowl ratings, you're only exposing your stupidity even more. Maybe if you had an iota of logic and reason, you could probably deduce that nobody gives a squat about the Cincinnati Bearcats. If WVU won the Big East like it should've, the VT/WVU Orange Bowl might very well have been the highest rated bowl game sans MNC.

Tell you what: Win the ACC and then I might start taking you seriously. Until then, :stfu:

I spew lunacy and I actually think people care about the college football Hall of Fame.

Handling the national stage? You mean like getting embarrassed by USC three weeks ago? And seriously, Penn State hasn't won the MNC since 1986. Pimpin' that is on Notre Dame's level. ****, Joe Pa was a young man back then.

I can't believe I'm wasting my time responding to this garbage. Go back and re-read it. You sound pathetic.

Ok, so VT and PSU are essentially equal over the last two decades. What do you keep clamoring about? You're essentially measuring yourself by the standard that VT has set. Congratulations.

"We're as good as VT for the last twenty years! Take THAT!"

:thumbsup:

What about since 2000, you know, THIS DECADE? AKA the time JoePa started going senile?

VT
89-29 (.754 winning percentage)

PSU
66-44 (.600 winning percentage)

And it's not even close.

Yes, you have a richer history. Yes, you've had more Heismans and players in the HOF :doh:

And yes.....nobody gives a flying fig. Congratulations. What have you done for me lately besides embarrass the Big 10?

And to point out your hypocrisy, you say "no 4 loss team should be representing anything." Yet you claim your BCS victory over 8-5 FSU was some kind of accomplishment?

:bsflag:

Seriously dude, put the keyboard down.

[PleaseBlitz]

This thread, while HILARIOUS, is just a lack of reading ability by H4R, so o surpise there.

Prestige, in the context of this article = ALL TIME.


While i would argue that WVU can be listed as one of the top 6 teams of the past 5 years. Aside from one undefeated season and a national championship appearance in the 80's with Major Harris, and a coach that was consistent enough to rack up 200 wis, that just doesnt stack up with the Bama's and Sooners and sadly, Notre Dame over the past 100 years :sad:

Now, if you asked me what i'd rather have, current success, or championships in the 50's, id pick the former. But that isnt what this article is about. To even make the argument that a team like VT (or WVU to be fair) have the prestige of OU or Texas or USC etc isnt one I would even attempt. All my school can do is add to the prestige with wins and bowl wins and guys like Slaton and White that enthrall the national audience and hope we dont fall into irrelevancy like Notre Dame, Nebraska, Miami, and FSU recently (sorry Spartacus and JBird, nuthin' personal).

Now back to your regularly scheduled H4R bashathon. :D Seriously, he is tryng to get WAY too much mileage over 1 win over Cincy, im laughing my ass off over here.

[PleaseBlitz]

Of course, you only care about talking about the past when it fits your VT agenda, like if you're bringing up some random game against WVU one time or something, but if it works against Tech, then you'd rather not discuss it or hear about it because who wants to live in the past right?




What a great line. H4S telling everyone to stop living in the past when he has mentioned the WVU VT game from 2005 LITERALLY 100 times while we were winning BCS games and VT was losing bowls that i cant remember. :rotflmao:

[hokie4redskins]

I'm a :dunce:

2005 is living in the past but 1936 is legitimate discussion?

:thumbsup:

It's funny when you talk about reading skills when you can't even comprehend my simple point.

Some of the most prestigious teams have been rendered non-factors for most of this decade if not longer. Nobody cares what a program did when I was 4 years old.

Let me put it into a mathematical equation for you.

(10 or more years of RECENT incompetence) + (Dominance from 1940's) + (Article on Prestige) = Complete Joke.

Arguably 6 of the top 10 "most prestigious" programs have been national laughingstocks for much of the past decade. I don't care how you slice it. This article is garbage.

And I'm not claiming VT has the history or prestige of these programs. I'm simply stating that nobody cares. If I was having an argument with some ND/Nebraska/Michigan/FSU/UM fan about how ****ty their program is and they cited this article, I would laugh in their face.

It's also funny reading your not-so-subtle jab at VT Orange Bowl victory considering we smacked around YOUR conference champion like a *****.

And your attempt at a "sad smiley" is ghey.

34 - 17

[Major Harris]

This article is dumb in every way shape and form. Defending it and lending credence to it is even dumber. The only thing with less substance than this are pre-season rankings.



yeah, and saragin rated the ACC as the #2 football conference. that was really dumb. so was defending it and lending credence to it.

[Spartacus87]

What a great line. H4S telling everyone to stop living in the past when he has mentioned the WVU VT game from 2005 LITERALLY 100 times while we were winning BCS games and VT was losing bowls that i cant remember. :rotflmao: I should make a new signature that says "16-1: Bowden vs VT"

Then I could just go into any random thread here H4S is in trashing other people for no real reason, and simply say "check the sig :thumbsup:"

[Forehead]

H4R, you are like a fly, just kind of buzzing around, annoying those of us who actually matter, just waiting to be swatted away.

Your team doesn't matter or rate in the grand scheme of things. But I want to help you, so here's a checklist.

1. Win a national championship. Until you have, don't even bother talking to fans of team that do have the hardware.

2. Have a better bowl record, 7-9 is nothing to trumpet. Wow, you beat Cincy in the Orange Bowl. You do realize that bowl was laughed at and pretty much ignored, right? Here's a hint, it wasn't because of a "lack of prestige" of the Orange bowl, it's because of the teams that were involved. Not losing to East Carolina and similar teams would also go a long way towards getting more respect.

3. Don't make stupid arguments. Hell, I've only been using your last 20 years argument to prove one things. That Va. Tech's "glory period" is equivalent to a down time for Penn State and many of these other programs. Even your best years are weak by comparison.

4. Don't trumpet all the players you're getting drafted into the NFL, when none of them are accomplishing anything. Your most successful recent player, in college or the pros, is in jail. I just looked over the roster of Hokies in the NFL. Your current most successful player is probably a kicker, Shayne Graham. Maybe Darryl Tapp, but I'll bet more NFL fans know who Graham is.

Look, I didn't really want to say this, but I have a feeling most casual observers in here would agree with me. If not, I won't say anymore, but part of me does wish that Tech and PSU had been matched up this year in a bowl, because I'm pretty sure we would have rolled you this year. But that's a moot argument because the matchup didn't happen, and we could go back and forth on it all day.

Instead, here's a few pictures to help liven up your day.

You could start by having former Tech teams that sport these:

http://blog.pennlive.com/jimdeegan/2007/09/large_ringbling.jpg

Or being able to put out DVD's like this:

http://store.cstv.com/marketplace/store/Vendor341/fullscale/DVD-00117-c.jpg

Or even having a player win this, and no, I'm not apologizing for the odd expression, it's an old picture.

http://www.gogomag.com/rams/images/johncappelletti.jpg

The fact is, your on your own side here, the rest of us are laughing at you. You are a joke, just like your team.

[PleaseBlitz]

Even funnier is that H4S acts as if even in the last 10 years VT has been a juggernaut or something. 1 whole BCS bowl win over Cincinatti after a 4 loss season. Wow, we are all impressed. Lets not forget about the LSU crapping in their mouths last year 48-7, then losing to Big 12 runner up Kansas in the bowl game. Florida State's complete ownership of the program. The Vick Brothers making the program look worse than Miami of the 90's and if he doesnt think 2005 is irrelevant, then i guess i should bring up 19-13 in 2004 and 28-7 in 2003.

[Forehead]

Even funnier is that H4S acts as if even in the last 10 years VT has been a juggernaut or something. 1 whole BCS bowl win over Cincinatti after a 4 loss season. Wow, we are all impressed. Lets not forget about the LSU crapping in their mouths last year 48-7, then losing to Big 12 runner up Kansas in the bowl game. Florida State's complete ownership of the program. The Vick Brothers making the program look worse than Miami of the 90's and if he doesnt think 2005 is irrelevant, then i guess i should bring up 19-13 in 2004 and 28-7 in 2003.

Yeah, at this point, he's done, but I'm sure he'll try to keep fighting. I haven't known many Hokie fans that operated under "logic" or "facts," so why should he be the first?

[PleaseBlitz]

Yeah, at this point, he's done, but I'm sure he'll try to keep fighting. I haven't known many Hokie fans that operated under "logic" or "facts," so why should he be the first?

A large % of my friends are Hokies, they all pretty much know the deal. Hell, when i watch games with them i find myself ALMOST rooting for the Hokies (but not quite :) ). They are passionate, but they arent completely deluded like H4S.

And notice how SHF hasnt said anything? He's smart. He knows the deal. I think he's a much more representative Hokie fan.


And i made a mistake in my last post. Kansas wasnt the Big 12 runner up. They finished THIRD. :rotflmao:

[hokie4redskins]

Even funnier is that H4S acts as if even in the last 10 years VT has been a juggernaut or something. 1 whole BCS bowl win over Cincinatti after a 4 loss season. Wow, we are all impressed. Lets not forget about the LSU crapping in their mouths last year 48-7, then losing to Big 12 runner up Kansas in the bowl game. Florida State's complete ownership of the program. The Vick Brothers making the program look worse than Miami of the 90's and if he doesnt think 2005 is irrelevant, then i guess i should bring up 19-13 in 2004 and 28-7 in 2003.

We beat Cincy. Why couldn't you? At home nonetheless? Especially after your recent (pathetic) claims Pat White is the second coming. Hearing you blast VT for chumping your conference champ is hilarious.

LSU? You mean the year they won the MNC? Meh. We had a home and home with them. We embarrassed them when they played in Blacksburg.

If FSU "owning" us means we keep winning ACC championships, I'll take it.

Say what you will about the Vicks. But they never lost to WVU.

You're bringing up 19-13 in 2004? Why? We won that game. OLS

:dunce:

[The Evil Genius]

When did LSU play in Blacksburg? edit..you mean in 2002?

[PleaseBlitz]

We beat Cincy. Why couldn't you? At home nonetheless? Especially after your recent (pathetic) claims Pat White is the second coming. Hearing you blast VT for chumping your conference champ is hilarious.

Your conference champ has gotten chumped every year save 1 for the past decade.

LSU? You mean the year they won the MNC? Meh. We had a home and home with them. We embarrassed them when they played in Blacksburg.

Yes, LSU. The one team you played that year that can be considered big boy football. They blasted you in a game that even LSU fans wanted to end because it was so painful to watch.

If FSU "owning" us means we keep winning ACC championships, I'll take it.

By "owning" i of course meant beating you on the football field.

Say what you will about the Vicks. But they never lost to WVU.

I think plenty has been said about the Vicks, but in a thread about Prestige, its pretty fun to bring those 2 up.

http://cache.deadspin.com/sports/marcusvick.jpg

You're bringing up 19-13 in 2004? Why? We won that game. OLS

:dunce:

My bad, it was 2002 and 2003 we smashed you. Of course, those arent anywhere close to the best wins on our resume the past 10 years, whereas your 2005 win over us is probably your best win during that time frame, and regardless, ALL of them are OLD NEWS. And i dont think beating a team that was unranked at the time FOUR YEARS AGO really puts your team near the upper echelon of teams. But keep saying it does, we're all having a good time at your expense, once again. :)

[hokie4redskins]

:dunce:

Save for one: The Big East champ. I'm amazed you're continuing with this argument after VT crushed your conference rep just a short four weeks ago.

Regarding LSU, once again, Meh. We walked into a buzz saw with Sean Glennon at the helm. No Hokie was surprised by the result. After watching the Tigers sulk on their way out of Lane Stadium, karma has a funny way of paying you back sometimes.

I seem to recall this Vick against WVU with more clarity. I know you do too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm3nfLFTmaU

And what are you blathering about? You were #6 in 2004 when we beat you. You ended up #5 in 2005 when we crushed you in the Hole. We were the only team that kept the BCS from getting embarrassed by sending an undefeated WVU squad to the MNC. "Unranked at the time." HA! Nice attempt at spin. That was the year this board was unbearable because you ended up ranked higher than VT.

That was the entire foundation of 34-17.

Please keep trashing Tech, haters. It's hilarious to me. No doubt we're top ten most prestigious programs THIS DECADE, which is really all that matters. Anybody with an iota of college football knowledge knows it. Keep trying to convince yourself otherwise. Oh, and congrats to PSU for their dominance in the 1980's.

:thumbsup:

And TEG, there's this incredible thing called "Google." You should check it out.

[PleaseBlitz]

Save for one: The Big East champ. I'm amazed you're continuing with this argument after VT crushed your conference rep just a short four weeks ago.

:yawnee:

2006 BE champ beat ACC Champ. Woop dee doo.

Regarding LSU, once again, Meh. We walked into a buzz saw with Sean Glennon at the helm. No Hokie was surprised by the result. After watching the Tigers sulk on their way out of Lane Stadium, karma has a funny way of paying you back sometimes.

Yes, VT plays against a real team, the result is ugly. Very ugly.

I seem to recall this Vick against WVU with more clarity. I know you do too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm3nfLFTmaU

Yep, your one good player, who is now in jail, doesnt a prestigious program make.

And what are you blathering about? You were #6 in 2004 when we beat you. You ended up #5 in 2005 when we crushed you in the Hole. We were the only team that kept the BCS from getting embarrassed by sending an undefeated WVU squad to the MNC. "Unranked at the time." HA! Nice attempt at spin. That was the year this board was unbearable because you ended up ranked higher than VT.

That was the entire foundation of 34-17.

Unranked at the time, exactly. Because it was before our true freshman QB that ended up being far better than either of your Vicks took the helm, or our freshman RB that ended up being an AA was starting. And oh yea, we did end up ranked higher than the hokies that year didnt we. :)

And the year after that. :)

And the year after that too. :)

Your right, you guys should be top 5 in prestige with a resume like that. :rotflmao:

:blahblah:

Thats good stuff right there. From "bowl wins dont matter" to "most prestigious program of the decade" in less than a month. Priceless. :rotflmao:

[Fletch_Lives59]

Peter Warrick>Va Tech

http://www.fansedge.com/Images/Product/33-94/33-94902-F.jpg

[hokie4redskins]

:yawnee:

2006 BE champ beat ACC Champ. Woop dee doo.



Yes, VT plays against a real team, the result is ugly. Very ugly.



Yep, your one good player, who is now in jail, doesnt a prestigious program make.



Unranked at the time, exactly. Because it was before our true freshman QB that ended up being far better than either of your Vicks took the helm, or our freshman RB that ended up being an AA was starting. And oh yea, we did end up ranked higher than the hokies that year didnt we. :)

And the year after that. :)

And the year after that too. :)

Your right, you guys should be top 5 in prestige with a resume like that. :rotflmao:



Thats good stuff right there. From "bowl wins dont matter" to "most prestigious program of the decade" in less than a month. Priceless. :rotflmao:

Yeah, Wake, who we crushed that year. For someone who claims the past is meaningless, you sure cite it enough.

Yeah, and your program was in such good shape, that your deified coach bolted for another program/conference, and a pathetic one at that. How does that make you feel knowing your conference and your team is a stepping stone? Won't be long before someone snags Kelly either. But don't worry, I think Stewart is safe. HAHA

Ugly? You mean like USC and Auburn in the same year when they both went undefeated? We lost to both by a total of 14 points. I believe that was the year OU scammed the BCS, screwed AU, and proceeded to get crushed by USC.

"Bowl wins don't matter" isn't my argument. And we're top 10. You need to learn to read. If somebody wants to prove me wrong, post the Insider info. Since it is conspicuously ignored, I think I'm probably right.

If you think VT is not top 10 this decade, you're deluding yourself. ****, I'd be willing to give WVU credit if 2000-2002 didn't get in the way. It'll be interesting to see how Stewart holds that program afloat now that the full brunt of ACC expansion is felt and now that the Second Coming has gone bye-bye. You need to prepare for some lean years.

But if "TECH SUCKS" makes you feel better, then by all means.

:thumbsup:

[Forehead]

Ugly?

We lost to both....

"TECH SUCKS"

:thumbsup:

Everything else in your post could have just been condensed to this, and it would have mirrored two things. What everyone else thinks of you, and reality.

[The Evil Genius]

t'll be interesting to see how Stewart holds that program afloat now that the full brunt of ACC expansion is felt and now that the Second Coming has gone bye-bye. You need to prepare for some lean years.

If you go by who WVU is bringing in, talent wise, I suspect that won't be the case. They have their best recruiting class, on paper, ever (top 20 class per Scout and Rivals too, I believe).

[Spartacus87]

Please keep trashing Tech, haters. It's hilarious to me. No doubt we're top ten most prestigious programs THIS DECADE, which is really all that matters. Anybody with an iota of college football knowledge knows it. Keep trying to convince yourself otherwise. Oh, and congrats to PSU for their dominance in the 1980's. So your most prestigious decade in program history has brought 3 conference titles? And 4 bowl wins, only one of which was a BCS bowl?

What exactly are we talking about again with VT here? How awesome they are this decade? Even though that actually really sucks compared to the prestige level of teams like Miami, Oklahoma, PSU, FSU, etc. and their best years (which, should be noted, Miami's and FSU's weren't really that long ago)? And its also worse than WVU has been this decade?

[Gator Bait]

This prestige thread is ridiculous.

[BayouBrave86]

Yes, LSU. The one team you played that year that can be considered big boy football. They blasted you in a game that even LSU fans wanted to end because it was so painful to watch.



I never wanted that game to end.:)