3 out of 30 isn't bad, it's 10%!

[chipwhich]

For the last 30 Years...spelled THIRTY...the Bullets/Wizards have essentially had 3 good years.

Abe Pollin is quite possibly the worst owner in the NBA.

Had Abe Pollin not had the whole pie in the face fiasco with Michael Jordan we might have gone 0 for 30 in terms of decent teams. He wouldn't have been able to sell a seat.

30 Years is how long most people get a mortgage for.

It's all of your elementary school, middle school, high school, college degree, masters degree, and PHD. Thats what 30 years is.

So when someone calls Bill Simmons a hater, wants to fire Eddie Jordan, wants to fire our GM, or not sign our only player that has made the Wizards watchable in 30 years, it is laughable.

We are not the Lakers...we are the Bullets/Wizards. We are the doormats of the league. You don't go from doormats to contenders overnight. You first have to establish a winning franchise.

You should have savored the Eddie Jordan years, you might not get play like that, for say...I don't know? another 30 years.

[SAMB0]

This is deep, bro.

[ACW]

4 good years? 4 playoff years.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

It's not true. It's more like 6 out of 30. Holler at your boys. Wiz 4ever!!!!

But seriously if we're going by playoff years, 1st round losses or not, then it's not THAT bad:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=washingtonpost&prov=st&type=lgns

Playoff Appearances: 26
Overall Record: 77-115
NBA Championships: 1 (1978)

2008 -- lost to Cleveland, 4-2, first round

2007 -- lost to Cleveland, 4-0, first round

2006 -- lost to Cleveland, 4-2, first round

2005 -- defeated Chicago, 4-2, first round
lost to Miami, 4-0, conference semifinals

1997 -- lost to Chicago, 3-0, first round

1988 -- lost to Detroit, 3-2, first round

1987 -- lost to Detroit, 3-0, first round

1986 -- lost to Philadelphia, 3-2, first round

1985 -- lost to Philadelphia, 3-1, first round

1984 -- lost to Boston, 3-1, first round

1982 -- defeated New Jersey, 2-0, first round
lost to Boston, 4-1, conference semifinals

1980 -- lost to Philadelphia, 2-0, first round

1979 -- defeated Atlanta, 4-3, conference semifinals
defeated San Antonio, 4-3, conference finals
lost to Seattle, 4-1, NBA Finals

[chipwhich]

It's not true. It's more like 6 out of 30. Holler at your boys. Wiz 4ever!!!!


Well less the *1979* season. (When Jimmy Carter was President), the Wiz/Bulle' have not really had hope until 2006-2008 seasons.

The Juan Howard crew had some potential but in typical Abe Pollen fashion he made moves to save money and replace budding stars with aging had been stars.

My point is, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Nobody cared about the Bulle'/Wiz from 1980 until 2006. Any potential we had was with has beens or Manute Bol's.

Maybe we get lucky this year and draft the next Labron ;)

In the meantime, bring me a coach that can give me half of the promise we had under Eddie Jordan and I will be happy. Problem is, who wants to coach Les Boulez?

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Wait, who did Pollen move to save money in the Howard days?

And I can't speak to the 80's because I wasn't there but you're probably right.

[chipwhich]

Wait, who did Pollen move to save money in the Howard days?

And I can't speak to the 80's because I wasn't there but you're probably right.

I was referring to the Chris Weber trade for Mitch Richmond...which if you have any knowledge of Abe Pollin's track record is a typical move. They try to blame it on many things, but truth is it was about money.

2005 on is the first time since I can remember that he actually tried to:

- hire a gm and coach that weren't tied to him emotionally (i.e. Wes Unseld).
- build a team with a real payroll

The only reason we were even fortunate enough to get that is Abe was embarassed over the Michael Jordan fiasco....but more importantly the MJ time here let him see what type of money could be made at Verizon center with every night sellouts. So Abe actually tried to do it right for once.

Now some people want to blow it all up. :doh:

[twenty-eight]

So you those awful trades were Abe's fault and not Unseld's?

[Sticksboi05]

The last three playoff appearances were crap years except 2006. 2007 we lost Arenas/Butler to injury and last year we had no chance, let's be real. Seriously though, when you have 3 All Stars on your team, consistently finishing .500% is not good, it's bad. Eddie Jordan screwed the team with his laughable defensive "strategies".

[Sticksboi05]

Btw, we need to get Blake Griffin this year, simple as that.

[Sticksboi05]

Such a sad season...

[chipwhich]

So you those awful trades were Abe's fault and not Unseld's?

I watched Abe do the same thing to the Capitals. The awful trades have always been because of ownership. Abe could have EASILY won a Stanley Cup in Washington with the talent he shipped out over the years. He never liked to pay them.

Webber was all Abe.

[chipwhich]

The last three playoff appearances were crap years except 2006. 2007 we lost Arenas/Butler to injury and last year we had no chance, let's be real. Seriously though, when you have 3 All Stars on your team, consistently finishing .500% is not good, it's bad. Eddie Jordan screwed the team with his laughable defensive "strategies".

Well then, that makes us 0 for 30!

Thank god it's all Eddie Jordans fault the franchise has given us nothing since Jimmy Carter became president. :silly:

:applause:

[hands11]

Yes, Abe is a huge problem.

No, Eddie Jordan was not the solution.

And No, No way in hell we should get ride of EG.

Abe has selected a only few good GMs in his many years.

Nash was good, until Abe stabbed him in the back over the Howard deal.
Abe also, like EFJ, had his coach in place ( Wes ) when Nash arrived.

Nash stocked this team up with talent, then Abe booted him and we watched it all leave.

Jordan saved this franchise. He cleaned up the mess and sold ticket to fill Abes pockets again and get us moving the right direction. And for that, Abe stabbed him in the back.

Luckily, Abe actually got a professional GM to replace him. Miracle of miracles. Only, like with Nash, Abe had a coach in place. He is such a dysfunctional owner.

EFJ may have been a good selection given what this franchise had been through. Not many coaches would come here. But EFJ was only a temporary solution while this ship got righted.

As for EG he has something we hadn't had in a long time and that is be patient and methodical.

He knew bigs were the hardest to find and he took his chances. In the end we kept Haywood ( who EFJ didnt get along with and wouldnt play ) and we drafted McGee. We also got GA, AJ and CB. As much as I don't think AJ was the perfect choice and that having him has caused as many problems as it solved, we are still moving in the right direction.

EFJ peaked after 2 years. I know he wasn't the answer after 2 months but there was a chance he would grow and change. He didn't. But we needed stability so badly that I was in favor of keeping him for 3 year. The last 2 were a total waste of time and held this team back from developing. That is on Abe - again.

Don't worry about this team. We aren't loosing because EJ is gone. We will be winning again and back to were we were only with more upside in part because EFJ is gone. We need to let EG finish what he started. I pray Abe sells before he has a chance to mess things up again.

Dont let the loosing record fool you. We are still on the rise. We just hit a bump. It's called no Haywood and a rookie back up and trading your only vet PG for someone that is showing he will be better and he is young.

It's hard sometimes but don't get to down because we are still moving in the right direction.

We won't be right until we get Haywood back on the court but getting Blatche back will help. But its really going to be next year before we look good again. McGee and Crit were nice additions. Better then Etan and AD. So we improved this year in talent. Loosing Mason wasnt good. We still have to find his replacement. That person should take DSs spot.

[chipwhich]

Yes, Abe is a huge problem.

No, Eddie Jordan was not the solution.

And No, No way in hell we should get ride of EG.


A voice of reason is great.

I am not saying Eddie Jordan was the solution.

And I love EG.

My point of my post was the Wizards/Bullets have a long ways to go to be a franchise free agents want to play for. Plus ownership still has a long ways to go to be a franchise to reckon with.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. This is the best I have seen the franchise in 30 years. Lets support them and hope for the best.

:cheers:

Lets hope EG gets a chance to right the ship.