Cavs eye Jamison as deadline nears

[JimmyConway]

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With Amare Stoudimire unlikely to be dealt before Thursday's trading deadline, the next-biggest thing is being attempted by the Cleveland Cavaliers (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/cavaliers) -- a surprise move at acquiring two-time All-Star forward Antawn Jamison from the Washington Wizards (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/wizards).

A deal for Jamison is far from being completed, according to league sources who described the Wizards as reluctant to move a team leader. The sources considered the proposal a sign that the Cavaliers have become more aggressive in trying to improve at the deadline for a title push this spring.

[skinfan2k]

the wizards are idiots if they dont move him. His contract is one that needs to be moved to open up space for 2010

[drehoyas36]

I'd do it in a heartbeat. I don't give a damn what they give us in return. We have to get rid of that contract or else we are pretty much stuck with the same first round playoff team the next four years with Jamison getting older every year and playing no defense every year.

[Gator Bait]

the wizards are idiots if they dont move him. His contract is one that needs to be moved to open up space for 2010

I don't think this would make much sense.....even if we traded for Wally's expiring contract and a first rounder.....we still wouldn't have any cap room to sign anyone next year and cleveland's first rounder wont be worth much after the year they are having!

Jamison is a 20-10 guy and a leader on this team. If we traded him, I would want something in return.

[drehoyas36]

I don't think this would make much sense.....even if we traded for Wally's expiring contract and a first rounder.....we still wouldn't have any cap room to sign anyone next year and cleveland's first rounder wont be worth much after the year they are having!

Jamison is a 20-10 guy and a leader on this team. If we traded him, I would want something in return.

I see where you are coming from and 20-10 numbers aren't easily replaced. But if you can get a guy in here that can play D and at least rebound like Jamison did (Thabeet or Griffin)we don't really need him to score. We have scorers, Arenas, Butler, Young and Blatche if needed. Everyone else just needs to play a role i.e rebounding, defensive stopper, shot blocker. If they give us a first rounder we can scoop up a solid role player later in the first.

[Warhead36]

Jamison's value will only get lower from here on out as he ages and his production no longer matches his salary. Now is the best time to trade him. I'd say trade Butler too, but his contract is still fairly reasonable and it expires in the magical 2010 year anyway so it's not a must move.

Would be kind of bittersweet to have him go to the Cavs though. I like Jamison and would root for him to win a ring, but having to root for Lebron would make me sick...

[ACW]

Fine, we'll do it...just give us LeBron :D

[jtyler42]

Fine, we'll do it...just give us LeBron :D

Now THIS is a deal I'd do! :D

Seriously though, like others have said we have to move his contract, and of our so called "big three" he's the one that I'd move...We lose a lot in the leadership department, but we gain in cap dollars...

[hfmonk]

I would take Wally and a first for AJ because it would allow us to sign Griffin or Thabeet and whatever low first pick we could get....Remember the Lakers and Celtics have done very well with low picks

[DoGood28]

Whether it's right or not, Gilbert is going to be pissed. This will get ugly.

[9_to_42_td]

Whether it's right or not, Gilbert is going to be pissed. This will get ugly.

Gilbert who?

[DarrellsMyHero28]

I don't want to do anything to help the Cavs.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Gilbert who?

Come on.

He's the best player on the team and whether you want to admit it or not he has no reason to come back this year.

He has a serious knee problem and there's no reason to come back early when the team is this awful.

[Skinned]

I don't want to do anything to help the Cavs.

I would think that this would be reason enough not to do this deal...

[hfmonk]

Come on.

He's the best player on the team and whether you want to admit it or not he has no reason to come back this year.

He has a serious knee problem and there's no reason to come back early when the team is this awful.

I expect him to be traded, cut, or retire.
I cant imagine he will ever play a full season at an all-star level again.
He will be the most expensive bench player in the NBA from now on.
Gil cant stay healthy.

I think Gil is like Griffey, Jr.
Both have alot of joint problems that destroy great careers.
(Hint: Constant joint problems is a symptom of steroid use, but neither admit to it.)
Gil may be as great as Jr. was with the Reds....both are very good, but cant be relied to be decent for a whole season.
Both got massive contracts before the world found out that they were in bad shape and could never live up to their contracts....ever.
We need to cut our losses with Gil and quickly.
We cant be like the Reds and hold onto him forever and let him be a drain on the team.

If Gil gets mad and asks for a trade, because AJ is gone.....give it to him.
We dont need him that badly.
CB can do Gil's job....He can shoot and not defend....Alot of players can replace that.
All they need to do is scream "Gimmee Da Ball" every few seconds, walk down the court, stand near the half court line and wait for a pass from a teammate anytime you are on defense.
Maybe we can invest in a real PG if Gil (and EG) leave.

[Gator Bait]

we don't really need him to score. We have scorers, Arenas, Butler, Young and Blatche if needed

You really can't compare Young or Blatche to jamison in terms of scoring.....Antawn will get you 20 each night. Blatche and Young are very inconsistent....you can't count on them every night.

[Gator Bait]

I'd say trade Butler too, but his contract is still fairly reasonable and it expires in the magical 2010 year anyway so it's not a must move.
fairly reasonable? Are you crazy? He has one of the best contracts in the NBA. He also has one of the best overall games in the NBA. Butler does everything....he scores, rebounds, plays defense, good character guy, can hit the 3, can play 3 positions. He is a very good player.

His contract doesn't expire in 2010/2011 either...it expires 2011/2012

[Gator Bait]

, but we gain in cap dollars...

what are you gonna do with the cap dollars? we'd still be over the cap next year.

If Mike James doesn't opt out....which I'm not sure why he would at the salary he is set to make....our cap number w/o Jamison's contract would be right arond 64 million. That is about what the cap will be set at next year.

[Gator Bait]

Come on.

He's the best player on the team and whether you want to admit it or not he has no reason to come back this year.

He has a serious knee problem and there's no reason to come back early when the team is this awful.

I don't want to do anything to help the Cavs
two very good points

[Drop]

wow, Antawn Jamison is my favorite player on the Wiz. I'd hate to see him go, and ESPECIALLY to the hated Cavs...but his value is only going to go down from here on out. We suck now, we'll suck without Tawn. If Gil gets mad, ship him out too. But at LEAST these moves would help us acquire new talent and move forward. I think it's obvious that what we've had here for the last 3 or 4 years CAN NOT win a championship in this league. Now is probably the best time to try something new.

[Gator Bait]

I expect him to be traded, cut, or retire.
why in the world would we cut him? We'd still be stuck w/ his salary, but would lack the all-star calibar player!!!!

why would he retire, he still gets it done every night, hasn't suffered a major injury and makes over 10 mil a year.




I cant imagine he will ever play a full season at an all-star level again.
He had an all-star level year the past 4 years in a row....the only reason he didn't make the all-star team this year is because of the wizard's record.
He will be the most expensive bench player in the NBA from now on.
who said he will be coming off the bench? I see Antawn starting at SF next year (where he should be)


I think Gil is like Griffey, Jr.
Both have alot of joint problems that destroy great careers.
only valid point in this entire post

We need to cut our losses with Gil and quickly.
and how do you purpose we trade away a guy with a 111 million dollar contract who hasn't played more than 20 games in the last 2 years?

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

Fine, we'll do it...just give us LeBron :D



Exactly, and hell no dont do this deal.....Bad enough we are going to have to deal with LeBron for God knows how many more years. We do not need to help Cleveland, they have a squad already. Like its been said, Clevelands 1st round pick wont be worth crap....

[Kevin101]

If we get rid of Jamison, bring in Wally's expiring contract, Etan's contract is coming to an end soon also..there will be plenty of cap room in 2010, and hopefully Mike James is gone.

[pjfootballer]

I might be on board with this because of AJ's age.

[Gator Bait]

I would consider a trade envolving Antawn....but along with it, I'd want to send Etan away with him.

Probably just best to stay put though. With the current team we already have and the value Etan & Mike James' expiring contracts will be worth next year.....we could really do something.

If we packaged Etan & James along with 2010 first round pick, we could probably get starting caliper true PF back in return from a rebuilding team who wants to dump salary.

here is a though....what if Shaq decides to come back for more year and a rebuilding Phoenix is willing to exchange expiring contracts with us in order to add a draft pick......

We could trade our 2010 first round pick, Etan's expiring, James's expiring, and songaila or stevenson for Shaq's expiring.

I think shaq has another year left and wouldn't be a bad rental player (being that he would be on an expiring anyway)

so you would have a starting line-up:

Haywood
(hopefully griffin)
Jamison
Butler
Arenas

with Shaq, Blatche, Young coming off the bench

this is a verrrrrrrry far out there trade....but it seems like it might benefit both parties.

[TheREALJBird]

I would consider a trade evolving Antawn....but along with it, I'd want to send Etan away with him.

Who is Antawn gonna evolve into?:)

[Gator Bait]

Who is Antawn gonna evolve into?:)

hopefully a young Charles Barkley or Karl Malone

[method man]

What we are looking to get back, according to reports, is Hickson and we also want to dump Songaila or Etan on them. What I feel is, screw Hickson. We already have a glut at the 4/5. I say we try to package Stevenson and Songaila's bad deals (2 years left on each one) with Jamison for Wally and Snow's expiring deal. That way, we would have hte money to make a play for a FA possibly.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

who is antawn gonna evolve into?:)

lmao...........

[Gator Bait]

What we are looking to get back, according to reports, is Hickson and we also want to dump Songaila or Etan on them. What I feel is, screw Hickson. We already have a glut at the 4/5. I say we try to package Stevenson and Songaila's bad deals (2 years left on each one) with Jamison for Wally and Snow's expiring deal. That way, we would have hte money to make a play for a FA possibly.

I wouldn't mind dumping songaila and stevenson, but not at the expense of losing jamison for nothing in return.

Even w/ those two expiring contracts, we would only be a few million under the salary cap anyway.....I don't think it is worth it. We will be fine with a mid-level exemption pick up and our lottery pick next year w/ the current roster.

[skins84]

What we are looking to get back, according to reports, is Hickson and we also want to dump Songaila or Etan on them. What I feel is, screw Hickson. We already have a glut at the 4/5. I say we try to package Stevenson and Songaila's bad deals (2 years left on each one) with Jamison for Wally and Snow's expiring deal. That way, we would have hte money to make a play for a FA possibly.

No way in HELL cleveland takes deshawn stevenson...I can't believe you even typed something that rediculous.

[BAMBAM30]

Do it!!!!!!

[BayouBrave86]

I hope we can trade him. We'll see though.

[Warhead36]

I'd love to dump Etan or Songaila along with Jamison. I'd hang onto Stevenson as he's still a pretty decent player as long as he's got other stars around him to cover his weaknesses.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I'd hang onto Stevenson as he's still a pretty decent player as long as he's got other stars around him to cover his weaknesses.

Dude, seriously, Stevenson shouldn't even be in the NBA at this point. His contract is the only keeping him in it. And I was one of his biggest fans just last year.

[Warhead36]

Dude, seriously, Stevenson shouldn't even be in the NBA at this point. His contract is the only keeping him in it. And I was one of his biggest fans just last year.

He's not great and if there isn't talent around him he's exposed, but he's alright as a role player when the Big Three are all up and running.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

He's not great and if there isn't talent around him he's exposed, but he's alright as a role player when the Big Three are all up and running.

I disagree. He's horrible.

[hfmonk]

why in the world would we cut him? We'd still be stuck w/ his salary, but would lack the all-star caliber player!!!!

Because he is injured too much.

why would he retire, he still gets it done every night, hasn't suffered a major injury and makes over 10 mil a year.

LOL.....Not including the one that kept him out of the last two seasons and most of this one.......Are you talking about Gil?




He had an all-star level year the past 4 years in a row....the only reason he didn't make the all-star team this year is because of the wizard's record.

LOL....Are we talking about Gil? I thought I was answering your comments about Gil. I am sure that you realize that is impossible when he has been out most of 2 seasons and he is working on a third. So how could he play up to All-Star level when he isn't in the games? If you are talking about AJ, I agree.


who said he will be coming off the bench? I see Antawn starting at SF next year (where he should be)

I did.... If we got a good PG, Gil would be great to come off the bench, so that he can score, not play defense, and give an emotional lift by scoring at needed times, and therefore do what is best for the team. AJ is great but his value is going to plummet soon because he is getting older and he wont be able to stand 35-40mins/night for long. He is not Kareem. His body is already showing its age.




and how do you purpose we trade away a guy with a 111 million dollar contract who hasn't played more than 20 games in the last 2 years?


Hmmmm.....The choices are: cut Gil, or let Gil realize that he cant stay healthy and let him retire, or find a sucker that needs a PG and thinks that Gil is one....Remember what PT Barnum said?....."There is a sucker born every minute." If we get rid of EG, maybe we can find a sucker to take AJ and Gil. EG cant do it. I have no faith in EG. He is tanking this team in a big way.

[Gator Bait]

And I was one of his biggest fans just last year.

fair weather fan huh?

I'm not a big fan of Stevenson because of his character. But it is pretty ridiculous that you say he doesn't belong in the NBA anymore after one bad year. He will more than likely bounce back next year when he has better healthy players around him

[Gator Bait]

Are you talking about Gil?

nope...I'm on a different page....I though you were talking about AJ for some reason....must have had a mental laps or something.


Hmmmm.....The choices are: cut Gil
no way you cut him. NBA is not like the NFL....if you cut a guy, his contract still counts against your cap.

no way in the world we would ever cut Gil.

[da#1skinsfan]

Bottom line. 20 and 10.

We want value in return. Antawn Jamison is NOT an expiring contract trade, he will make an immediate impact wherever he goes and we should be compensated as such.

[Gator Bait]

Bottom line. 20 and 10.

We want value in return. Antawn Jamison is NOT an expiring contract trade, he will make an immediate impact wherever he goes and we should be compensated as such.

well put

[Fletch_Lives59]

2 hours to go....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218



ESPN.com contributor Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is reporting that the Cavs have offered Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic to the Phoenix Suns for O'Neal.

Wizards:
That means the Wizards are going to have to move someone. If they don't make a move now, they are taking a huge risk. In the summer, they can no longer trade for an immediately expiring contract that would alleviate their tax burden. They'd have to find a team under the cap and try to move a player like Etan Thomas. To do that, they would likely have to give up cash and draft picks and bring back nothing, just to get a team to take on his salary.

That's led to some talk of the Wizards and Knicks discussing a deal that would send Jared Jeffries back to Washington along with Malik Rose in exchange for Etan Thomas and Mike James.

[method man]

No way in HELL cleveland takes deshawn stevenson...I can't believe you even typed something that rediculous.

Cleveland can buyout Stevenson.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

bottom line. 20 and 10.

We want value in return. Antawn jamison is not an expiring contract trade, he will make an immediate impact wherever he goes and we should be compensated as such.


definitely.........

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

2 hours to go....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218



ESPN.com contributor Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is reporting that the Cavs have offered Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic to the Phoenix Suns for O'Neal.




OMG, Shaq and LeBron would be rediculous.............

[Gator Bait]

OMG, Shaq and LeBron would be rediculous.............

highly unlikely this will happen. I tell you what though.....I've got tickets for the Wizards-Cavs game in April.....I bought them before the season even started. They are right behind the Cavs bench....face value: $250 each, I got them for $100.

Obviously I am bummed that the game will mean nothing, but it sure would be great to be right behind the bench that shaq was sitting on.

he is one of my favorite players of all time. I'd hate to see him in a cavs uni though!

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

I tell you what though.....I've got tickets for the Wizards-Cavs game in April.....I bought them before the season even started. They are right behind the Cavs bench....face value: $250 each, I got them for $100.

Obviously I am bummed that the game will mean nothing, but it sure would be great to be right behind the bench that shaq was sitting on.




NICE!!!! :cheers:

[StillUnknown]

OMG, Shaq and LeBron would be rediculous.............


didn't happen

no real blockbusters at all.

Rafer Alston going to Orlando is probably the biggest move

[Gator Bait]

I'm really glad we didn't trade Jamison or our #1 pick

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

fair weather fan huh?

Absolutely. Unfortunately for D Steezy me being a fan of the Wizards will always trump me being a fan of his. And because he sucks he is hurting the Wizards. And because he is hurting the Wizards, **** him.

You thinking that he doesn't tells me all I need to know.

Have fun talking Wizards basketball on a Redskins messageboard. I'm out.

[Gator Bait]

Absolutely. Unfortunately for D Steezy me being a fan of the Wizards will always trump me being a fan of his. And because he sucks he is hurting the Wizards. And because he is hurting the Wizards, **** him.

You thinking that he doesn't tells me all I need to know.

Have fun talking Wizards basketball on a Redskins messageboard. I'm out.

wizardsextreme sucks....I'm much rather talk basketball on here.

I'm not sticking up for stevenson anymore....I think he has serious character flaws, but...................

It is foolish to say a player sucks after one bad season (especially when that is a bad season for the team in general, where their starting C and PG are out the whole year)

Stevenson had a two of his best years the prior two years, so from a basketball standpoint, I wouldn't be so quick to throw him to the wolves.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Lmao. WE destroyed this section. Nearly everyone made the move. You will get laughed at over there. Makes sense for you though. Much easier to stay over here with the noobs and part-timers where you have free reign and can feel like the man.

Stevenson has a degenerative injury issue. There is no coming back. But you already knew that because you're the man.

[da#1skinsfan]

Lmao. WE destroyed this section. Nearly everyone made the move. You will get laughed at over there. Makes sense for you though. Much easier to stay over here with the noobs and part-timers where you have free reign and can feel like the man.


Dude do you really take messageboards THIS seriously? Who cares???

A better answer would be "not fairweather fan, im entitled to change my opinion when the quality of his play changes too". A lot better than some BS ego-driven e-temper tantrum. nevermind the fact that youre here on this board yourself, right now.

not getting into some board war, just sayin man, let it go.

As for stevenson, I feel the same way about him that I do everyone else on this team. everyone looks horrible. there isnt much of a bright spot anywhere. i dont think what we see out of stevenson is what we can expect, same goes for everyone else. With Arenas & Haywood on the floor things look much, much, much better for everyone.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I'm sorry but I couldn't let him take a shot at a (superior) site I help build up and have a vested interest in. But I'm not mad; not over some clown on the internet. I understand how much is lost through writing/texting so I can understand why you think I might be, but I'm honestly not.

And I basically responded to the D Steezy fairweather fan comment exactly like you just told me to do.

[Gator Bait]

I'm sorry but I couldn't let him take a shot at a (superior) site I help build up and have a vested interest in. But I'm not mad; not over some clown on the internet. I understand how much is lost through writing/texting so I can understand why you think I might be, but I'm honestly not.

And I basically responded to the D Steezy fairweather fan comment exactly like you just told me to do.

no, you pretty much made a ***** statement...you sound like a big time cry baby loser. Why would you even come on this board if it is as lousy as you make it seem.