Could the Wiz PLEASE stop winning?

[potato]

With a franchise player like Blake Griffin in their sights, the Wiz won another meaningless game last night, made worse by the fact Sacramento won also.

This isn't football. One player can make a difference. There is no shame in tanking in the NBA.

The Spurs tanked their season for Tim Duncan.
The Cavaliers tanked their season for Lebron James.

And everyone knew that's what they were doing.

What do those teams have in common? Those players turned their franchises around and led to Finals appearances.

So please, for the sake of basketball futility in DC, lose 'em all Skip!

[MonkFan8]

Griffin isn't going to be remotely close to Duncan or James. Do I advocate tanking to get him? Of course. But franchise player he is not.

[twenty-eight]

TWO GAME WIN STREAK!!!

Wooooooo!

[Gator Bait]

Griffin isn't going to be remotely close to Duncan or James. Do I advocate tanking to get him? Of course. But franchise player he is not.

and how would you know this? You have a time machine? I think you are completely wrong....I think he has just as good of a chance to be a star in this league as Duncan or James had.

[Warhead36]

I don't see Griffin being a superstar in the NBA either. Lebron and Duncan were sure things. I think Griffin will be a solid player who makes the occasional all-star game but not necessarily a franchise superstar who can carry your team. On top of that, the worst record doesn't guarantee you anything.

[snowman5607]

I don't see Griffin being a superstar in the NBA either. Lebron and Duncan were sure things. I think Griffin will be a solid player who makes the occasional all-star game but not necessarily a franchise superstar who can carry your team. On top of that, the worst record doesn't guarantee you anything.

How were they sure things? I guess Kwame Brown was a sure thing, too....

[MonkFan8]

and how would you know this? You have a time machine? I think you are completely wrong....I think he has just as good of a chance to be a star in this league as Duncan or James had.Don't get me wrong, I think he'll be a solid player. I basically concur with what Warhead said.

I'm just not sure he'll be able to come in and contribute right away and I certainly don't see any comparison to 2 future Hall of Famers.

[da#1skinsfan]

Youre right no one is a sure thing. But dude, there was no discussion Duncan and James were the #1 picks and there was no discussion they were immediate, high impact starters on their teams. There was no debate at all.

Sure Griffin could turn out to be the best player to ever play, but the guys point is James and Duncan were on another level as prospects, and thats a fact.

I want them to lose as much as the next guy, but Stephen A Smith said it best when he said they were the biggest disappointment in the league, even with Arenas & Haywood out. With 2 all-stars and a bench full of young talent, there is no excuse for this team to have as bad of a record as they do.

[Warhead36]

I don't know about being the biggest disappointments. Even with a fully healthy roster we were a routine one-and-done playoff team(save for our first trip when we beat Chicago). I'd say the Suns and Rockets are much more disappointing because those were teams with championship aspirations that have fallen apart.

[abdcskins]

This is my first time watching Blake Griffin tonight(against Texas) and I'm not impressed. He can't be more than 6'9, he looks 6'7. He hasn't shown any moves down low. He has no shot. He disappears from the game. I know it is one game(one half actually), but so far he looks whatever to me. I don't think he would be the dominant down low presence that we need.

[skinfan2k]

He had a concussion yesterday.. Are you serious!

[abdcskins]

Even before that supposed concussion he was sucking. I was just making some observations on how he was playing(which was badly) and admitted it was one half. Chill out fella.

[snowman5607]

Well....the Wiz DEFINITELY did what you all apparently wanted them to do last night...lol...that was UGLY.

[GibbsforPrez]

Can anyone tell me the last time the worst team (one with the best chance of getting top pick) actually got it? I don't think it's ever happened. So it's probably best that we don't have the worst record come lottery time.

[joony11]

okay that makes no sense. so the worst team has a 25% chance of getting the top pick, which is still higher than all the other teams. if you take all the other lottery picks, you'll get the other 75%, but it's not like you can have all of it anyhow. you only get one pick

[Warhead36]

Can anyone tell me the last time the worst team (one with the best chance of getting top pick) actually got it? I don't think it's ever happened. So it's probably best that we don't have the worst record come lottery time.

Twice since 1991. The Magic with Howard and the Cavs with Lebron.

[phishisthegreatstuff]

look he many not be as good as those 2, but they are hall of famers and 2 of the best 30 players of all time. But Blakes stats in college are much more impressive compared to tim duncan's college stats. So saying he has no chance to be as good as him is crazy.

[da#1skinsfan]

okay that makes no sense. so the worst team has a 25% chance of getting the top pick, which is still higher than all the other teams. if you take all the other lottery picks, you'll get the other 75%, but it's not like you can have all of it anyhow. you only get one pick

right but the fact is from the wiz perspective...

Worst team has a 25% chance of getting #1 pick. Meaning a 75% chance they dont.

Thats why it doesnt happen that often, its statistically not supposed to.

[pjfootballer]

They need to ditch the lottery in Basketball and Hockey. It was something invented by David Stern in 1985 to turn the Knicks around and he rigged it so the Knicks got Ewing. Now, it's a joke because when a team truly sucks, they can't get the best player. For many years in the early 90's, the Wizards/Bullets were 20 to 30 win teams, but always picked in positions 5 to 12. They could never get that impact player like Duncan and always had to settle for players like Calbert Cheaney and Tom Gugliotta. Solid players, but nothing to write home about.

Then, the one time we do get the #1 overall, there was not a Shaq, Duncan or Ewing type player. Figures. I think they need to scrap it and let the worst teams pick first because with ONLY 2 picks in the entire draft, you cannot rebuild a team.

[Gator Bait]

They need to ditch the lottery in Basketball and Hockey. It was something invented by David Stern in 1985 to turn the Knicks around and he rigged it so the Knicks got Ewing. Now, it's a joke because when a team truly sucks, they can't get the best player. For many years in the early 90's, the Wizards/Bullets were 20 to 30 win teams, but always picked in positions 5 to 12. They could never get that impact player like Duncan and always had to settle for players like Calbert Cheaney and Tom Gugliotta. Solid players, but nothing to write home about.

Then, the one time we do get the #1 overall, there was not a Shaq, Duncan or Ewing type player. Figures. I think they need to scrap it and let the worst teams pick first because with ONLY 2 picks in the entire draft, you cannot rebuild a team.

damn it Kwame....you ruined my life!

[joony11]

right but the fact is from the wiz perspective...

Worst team has a 25% chance of getting #1 pick. Meaning a 75% chance they dont.

Thats why it doesnt happen that often, its statistically not supposed to.

yes, but that's not basis to say that we'd be better off not having the worst record. if you really wanna look at it from a wiz perspective, it's a choice between 25% or <25%. of course this all changes if you want to trade the pick away...

[da#1skinsfan]

yes, but that's not basis to say that we'd be better off not having the worst record. if you really wanna look at it from a wiz perspective, it's a choice between 25% or <25%. of course this all changes if you want to trade the pick away...

100% agreed, I read your post incorrectly.:applause:

[GibbsforPrez]

If you want to go strictly by the numbers then yes they have a 25% chance, but reality says it's less than that. Since the start of the lottery in 85, 4 out of 24 teams with the worst record ended up with the top pick; that's 17%.

I did the math and the team with the worst record drafts at average 2.96 or about 3rd overall. The team that typically wins the draft lottery is on average the 4th worst team in the league (w/o the 92-93 Magic it's a little lower but still closer to 4)

The team with the worst record has picked 1st 4 times, 2nd 6 times, 3rd 7 times, 4th 7 times, 5th 1 time and 7th 1 time.

The team that has won the top seed came from the worst record 4 times, 2nd worst 3 times, 3rd worst 6 times, 4th worst twice, 5th worst 3 times, 6th worst 3 times, 7th worst once, 9th worst once and 12th worst once.

So I agree that it is beneficial they finish with the worst record because it technically gives them the best odds, but judging by how the draft actually goes I'd say they are slightly better with a 3rd worst finish.

[MonkFan8]

If you want to go strictly by the numbers then yes they have a 25% chance, but reality says it's less than that. Since the start of the lottery in 85, 4 out of 24 teams with the worst record ended up with the top pick; that's 17%.

I did the math and the team with the worst record drafts at average 2.96 or about 3rd overall. The team that typically wins the draft lottery is on average the 4th worst team in the league (w/o the 92-93 Magic it's a little lower but still closer to 4)

The team with the worst record has picked 1st 4 times, 2nd 6 times, 3rd 7 times, 4th 7 times, 5th 1 time and 7th 1 time.

The team that has won the top seed came from the worst record 4 times, 2nd worst 3 times, 3rd worst 6 times, 4th worst twice, 5th worst 3 times, 6th worst 3 times, 7th worst once, 9th worst once and 12th worst once.

So I agree that it is beneficial they finish with the worst record because it technically gives them the best odds, but judging by how the draft actually goes I'd say they are slightly better with a 3rd worst finish.Keep in mind that sometime during that period (don't remember the exact year) the draft rules were changed so that the team with the worst record cannot get any worse than the #4 overall pick.

[joony11]

yeah but beware of the Law of Small Numbers. a small sample does not represent the whole of the situation. 25% probability should remain 25% no matter what, despite what sampling from the first 24 years may show. also i like the point about getting no lower than 4th

[RedskinsFanInTX]

With a franchise player like Blake Griffin in their sights, the Wiz won another meaningless game last night, made worse by the fact Sacramento won also.

This isn't football. One player can make a difference. There is no shame in tanking in the NBA.

The Spurs tanked their season for Tim Duncan.
The Spurs were riddled with injuries including David Robinson for the season that brought Tim Duncan to San Antonio.

[Warhead36]

Remember that now the lottery only determines the top 3, after that the draft order is determined by your record. So the worst record guarantees us the fourth pick at least.

[Andre3stacks]

Remember that now the lottery only determines the top 3, after that the draft order is determined by your record. So the worst record guarantees us the fourth pick at least.

after the top 3 this draft is ass cheeks.

[GibbsforPrez]

So I agree that it is beneficial they finish with the worst record because it technically gives them the best odds, but judging by how the draft actually goes I'd say they are slightly better with a 3rd worst finish.

What this guy said.

[Buford]

basically, the Wizards did what the NBA wanted...and played their healthy starters till the end....and it didn't help at all.

The Lottery is a flawed scam.

Now the NBA gets another top pick to waste away in a two team market where the #2 might as well be a #2.

I'm actually shocked Stern didn't find a way to get Blake to New York for when Lebron moves there.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

damn it Kwame....you ruined my life!


Yeah, but also, that draft just sucked. Who should we had drafted, Tyson Chandler?? We got the #1 pick in a terrible draft. And we probably wouldnt have gotten #1 overrall pick if MJ hadnt had came.

[hfmonk]

Could the Wiz stop losing now?