McNabb wants roster upgrades

[DWinzit]

ESPN's Michael Smith reports that Donovan McNabb may hold off on discussing an extension with the Eagles until he sees upgrades to the roster.:laugh:


McNabb met with team officials for "several hours" last week to discuss his Week 12 benching and desire for Philadelphia to upgrade at offensive tackle, running back, and wide receiver. Smith's report hints that contract talks are now on hold. It remains to be seen if the Eagles use their considerable salary cap space to please McNabb, but there are indications they may not.
Source: ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3929063&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx

[pyro281]

ESPN's Michael Smith reports that Donovan McNabb may hold off on discussing an extension with the Eagles until he sees upgrades to the roster.:laugh:


McNabb met with team officials for "several hours" last week to discuss his Week 12 benching and desire for Philadelphia to upgrade at offensive tackle, running back, and wide receiver. Smith's report hints that contract talks are now on hold. It remains to be seen if the Eagles use their considerable salary cap space to please McNabb, but there are indications they may not.
Source: ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3929063&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx

Well, I won't argue they need to upgrade T, since they might lose both starters and their subperb backup in Justice (/sarcasm on that last part). But McNabb is saying they need to upgrade RB with them having one of the best in the leauge?

[DWinzit]

He is going to hold the team hostage yet he says he wants to retire an Eagle.

With two years remaining on his contract he should shut the hell up and play.

[HeHateMe]

They'll overpay for Housh this offseason and that will make him happy.

[DWinzit]

They'll overpay for Housh this offseason and that will make him happy.Overpay and the Eagles seldom go hand in hand.

What about Harrison hooking back up with McNabb?

[BillyKilmer]

TJ is made for Filthy

[Hero21]

Well, I won't argue they need to upgrade T, since they might lose both starters and their subperb backup in Justice (/sarcasm on that last part). But McNabb is saying they need to upgrade RB with them having one of the best in the leauge?
It's possible that what McNabb means is that he wants a bigger guy who can complement Westbook and take some pressure off of him.

To quote Bubba, you guys should have taken LenDale White! ;)

[tr1]

He's gonna, what, make Laurie pay more money for talent?

:rotflmao:

Looks like he wants out.

[OWUeagleMD]

An interesting tactic. I'm not sure I've ever heard of a player doing such a thing. Anyone know of a precedent? Not "requesting" upgrades, mind you, but publicly refusing to negotiate an extension _prior_ to free agency in an attempt to force a front office into a desired action.

[da#1skinsfan]

Hes got their balls in a vice and he knows it. Good move by Donovan and his agent.

They sit him. He responds with the best ball hes played in a while. Gets them to essentially admit, over and over, youre our guy. He says ok im your guy, pay me. They agree and begin negotiations. He pulls away seeing hes got all the leverage here and says ok, lets see how far I can take this...

Guaranteed to either get him traded (which he wants) or get him paaaaaaaaaaaid (which he'll take). Great move!

[OWUeagleMD]

Hes got their balls in a vice and he knows it. Good move by Donovan and his agent.

They sit him. He responds with the best ball hes played in a while. Gets them to essentially admit, over and over, youre our guy. He says ok im your guy, pay me. They agree and begin negotiations. He pulls away seeing hes got all the leverage here and says ok, lets see how far I can take this...

Guaranteed to either get him traded (which he wants) or get him paaaaaaaaaaaid (which he'll take). Great move!

I'm not sure you understand the logistics here. He's under contract for two more years. You seem to have forgotten the possibility that he isn't traded, isn't paid, and doesn't get another signing bonus before he turns 34, at which point he'll be unlikely to demand a "large" payday.

Contract negotiations never began, mind you. It was reported and confirmed by both sides last week.

[OWUeagleMD]

Double Post

[HeHateMe]

Overpay and the Eagles seldom go hand in hand.

What about Harrison hooking back up with McNabb?

But they'll have to in order to land Housh.

No matter what he says, he's going to the highest bidder.

Oakland, Detroit, or Philly or whoever.

[OWUeagleMD]

But they'll have to in order to land Housh.

No matter what he says, he's going to the highest bidder.

Oakland, Detroit, or Philly or whoever.

Unless the current economy has triggered a new era in free agency, recent past tells us that it's impossible to get top free agents without overpaying. The Eagles have abstained at times and participated at others.

[da#1skinsfan]

I'm not sure you understand the logistics here. He's under contract for two more years. You seem to have forgotten the possibility that he isn't traded, isn't paid, and doesn't get another signing bonus before he turns 34, at which point he'll be unlikely to demand a "large" payday.

Contract negotiations never began, mind you. It was reported and confirmed by both sides last week.

I understand the logistics perfectly and I know you do as well as you stated the exact reason Donovan is looking for 1 of the 2 scenarios I described.

This is his last chance for a payday. He had a hell of an end to the season. There are QB questions around the league that he can fill. He has all the leverage here - desire around the league, eagles not having another viable option, the eagles not wanting to risk another locker room meltdown as they gear up for another run with an aging nucleus...hes in perfect position to play hardball and test the front office's will.

If he does what you say, not rework his deal, not demand a trade, and keep playing, then his agent failed him on a COLOSSAL level.

[OWUeagleMD]

If he does what you say, not rework his deal, not demand a trade, and keep playing, then his agent failed him on a COLOSSAL level.

Haven't we learned that this is the way 90% of "holdouts" end? Why would his agent have failed on a colossal level when he was simply unable to affect change in the same way that almost every agent is unable to affect change on behalf of their player?

He has no leverage. It's interest that he's trying a new angle at grabbing leverage, but "interesting" is about as far is it goes.

[DWinzit]

McNabb is the new Favre :doh:

Before Minny consummates that deal for Sage Rosenfel's the Eagles outta dangle him as trade bait.

If they feel Kolb is as bad as we think he is they cold bring Garthia back for a couple years and draft another QB.

[bubba9497]

roster upgrade

easy trade McNabb for better players :)

[OWUeagleMD]

Before Minny consummates that deal for Sage Rosenfel's the Eagles outta dangle him as trade bait.

If they feel Kolb is as bad as we think he is they cold bring Garthia back for a couple years and draft another QB.

That is a terrible option.

[DWinzit]

That is a terrible option.Garcia played very well for you guys. The team rallied around him and his leadership skills much better than they have with McNabb. Having him would give time for a new QB or Kolb.

[OWUeagleMD]

Garcia played very well for you guys. The team rallied around him and his leadership skills much better than they have with McNabb. Having him would give time for a new QB or Kolb.

McNabb has taken them farther than Garcia five times (including this season), and as far as Garcia one more time. The idea that the team rallied around Garcia "better" is totally without foundation.

And Garcia is six years older and showed that this season when his team lost the final four games of the season, setting the stage for his team to move in a new direction.

To willingly get 6 years older and less talented at the most important position on the field, all while knowing you have no significant plan for the future, would be one of the most ridiculously irresponsible and desperate decisions in the history of football.

[HeHateMe]

Unless the current economy has triggered a new era in free agency, recent past tells us that it's impossible to get top free agents without overpaying. The Eagles have abstained at times and participated at others.

And if they think it's worth overpaying for him, they will have to.

Unfortunately, teams like Oakland make it so.

[DWinzit]

Then let him continue to whine and hold your team hostage like Favre did to Green Bay.

I have been a long McNabb supporter (much more than most Eagle fans) but this has gotten ridiculous.

[HeHateMe]

McNabb has taken them farther than Garcia five times (including this season), and as far as Garcia one more time. The idea that the team rallied around Garcia "better" is totally without foundation.

And Garcia is six years older and showed that this season when his team lost the final four games of the season, setting the stage for his team to move in a new direction.

To willingly get 6 years older and less talented at the most important position on the field, all while knowing you have no significant plan for the future, would be one of the most ridiculously irresponsible and desperate decisions in the history of football.

The common theme between both of them is that they played their best when they had T.O. as their WR.

[tryfuhl]

good, he deserves it

i somewhat wish that we'd had him in here for a few of the years we were so uncertain in QB, much the same as cunningham

otherwise, he could find a short future in chi-town or minn

[OWUeagleMD]

Then let him continue to whine and hold your team hostage like Favre did to Green Bay.

I have been a long McNabb supporter (much more than most Eagle fans) but this has gotten ridiculous.

You mean those are the only options for the Eagles? That's it? Trade him and sign Garcia, or continue to be held hostage?

Silly.

[OWUeagleMD]

The common theme between both of them is that they played their best when they had T.O. as their WR.

McNabb has come up short in some huge moments and has displayed some consistent limitations in his physical and mental capabilities.

But he's also amassed borderline Hall of Fame numbers, made the playoffs every season in which he's remained healthy, progressed through at least one playoff game every time he's made the playoffs, and done all of this with a collection of skill players that most people believe is less than stellar.

This is an odd turn in his relationship with the team and it'll be interesting to see where things go from here. The team has displayed consistent willingness to step away from veteran players, and we live in a world in which accomplished QBs are at a premium. Something could easily develop that would send McNabb to a new team and the Eagles in search of a new era, but I'd say it's an extreme unlikelihood.

[DWinzit]

You mean those are the only options for the Eagles? That's it? Trade him and sign Garcia, or continue to be held hostage?

Silly.No there are plenty of other options. that was a single suggestion that seemed to make some sense based on prior history with the team, scheme and coaches.

And as to Garthia's history, didn't he play just one year with the Eagles?

In his starts after taking over for the injured McNabb he lost his first game then won 6 in a row including a playoff game prior to losing in the divisional round. Not too shabby.

[da#1skinsfan]

Haven't we learned that this is the way 90% of "holdouts" end? Why would his agent have failed on a colossal level when he was simply unable to affect change in the same way that almost every agent is unable to affect change on behalf of their player?

He has no leverage. It's interest that he's trying a new angle at grabbing leverage, but "interesting" is about as far is it goes.

His agent blew it in the first place by only getting the guy one money deal. His contract should not have expired at the age of 34, that was horrible planning. Maybe Im a commercial for rosenhaus, but mcnabb has been royally screwed by bad representation and a stingy FO and its time to get his.

If you think he has no leverage you are as delusional as the eagles FO.

[DWinzit]

MCNABB’S EGO COULD MAKE IT HARDER FOR EAGLES TO SUCCEED (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/23/mcnabbs-ego-could-make-it-harder-for-eagles-to-succeed/)

Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2009, 6:09 p.m.
Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb finally got his long-awaited meeting with team officials last week in the hopes of getting an explanation for his November benching at halftime of a game (http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#) against the Ravens.
(We wish this guy had gotten benched by Vince Lombardi and then asked for an explanation.)

But McNabb has yet to seek what Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports recently dubbed a “financial apology.”

According to Michael Smith of ESPN.com, McNabb didn’t ask for a contract extension (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3929063). Instead, McNabb reportedly plans to wait until after the team makes some moves (or doesn’t) in free agency before making a decision about whether to seek a new deal, or whether to seek a trade.
Basically, if the Eagles don’t add pieces that McNabb deems able to fuel his desire to win a championship, then McNabb will want out.

And so the delicate genius has, as a practical matter, just driven up the price that the Eagles will have to pay, either in contract value or via trade, for the players whom McNabb deems worthy of wearing the green helmet with the wings.

We still say they should trade him to the Cardinals for Anquan Boldinhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#) and a draft pick.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

[OWUeagleMD]

No there are plenty of other options. that was a single suggestion that seemed to make some sense based on prior history with the team, scheme and coaches.

And as to Garthia's history, didn't he play just one year with the Eagles?

In his starts after taking over for the injured McNabb he lost his first game then won 6 in a row including a playoff game prior to losing in the divisional round. Not too shabby.

He was fine. It's no knock on Garcia to call B.S. on any comparison that puts Garcia's triumphant march past the 8-8 Giants in the first round of the playoffs anywhere near the level of achievement that McNabb has reached in every healthy season he's had as a professional.

[OWUeagleMD]

If you think he has no leverage you are as delusional as the eagles FO.

If you think any player in the league ever has an ounce of leverage against any organization, then you don't watch the NFL.

[OWUeagleMD]

Let's examine this hostage situation.

McNabb says he has to sit down and talk contract with the Eagles at the end of the season.

The Eagles say, sure, we're always open to talk to a player. We don't have anything planned, but we can sit down and here what you have to say.

The Eagles sit down at the end of last week.

McNabb says he won't sign an extension unless they upgrade the roster.

So now he's threatening them with a contract extension that HE initiated. What kind of leverage is this?

[bubba9497]

McNabb has also thrown his teammates under the bus, yet again :applause:

[OWUeagleMD]

McNabb has also thrown his teammates under the bus, yet again :applause:

Truth.

[da#1skinsfan]

2xpost oops

[OWUeagleMD]

I just told my girlfriend that she'd need to service me tonight since she didn't cook dinner earlier (I ignored her for a few days, so she refused to cook). We went to bed and she said, alright, time for service. I said, you know what, I'm not going to allow you to do that until you lose some weight.

I hold all the cards right now, right?

[DWinzit]

He was fine. It's no knock on Garcia to call B.S. on any comparison that puts Garcia's triumphant march past the 8-8 Giants in the first round of the playoffs anywhere near the level of achievement that McNabb has reached in every healthy season he's had as a professional.McNabb has been the starting QB for the Eagles for how long. You are minimizing how Garcia came in and went 5-6 in the regular season. He led them to the playoffs. He then led them to a playoff victory against the team that won the SB the following year prior to losing.

[da#1skinsfan]

If you think any player in the league ever has an ounce of leverage against any organization, then you don't watch the NFL.

Are you kidding? You have no idea what agents do. None.

Newsflash - there are 31 teams in the NFL that understand the value of a player in the locker room, on the field, on the sidelines, in the huddle, in the community, and in the fans budget. Guess who that 1 team is? It doesnt surprise me their fans are just as blind.

I will agree that with the current CBA the teams have an unfair advantage over a player in terms of contract payouts, terminations, tags, etc. However to say a player has *no* leverage is just...well just plain wrong.

Oh well.

[DWinzit]

I hold all the cards right now, right?You're also left holding something else :silly:

[da#1skinsfan]

I just told my girlfriend that she'd need to service me tonight since she didn't cook dinner earlier (I ignored her for a few days, so she refused to cook). We went to bed and she said, alright, time for service. I said, you know what, I'm not going to allow you to do that until you lose some weight.

I hold all the cards right now, right?

I certainly hope you are in the practice of negotiating for a living. Whoever sits across the table from you is guaranteed to hit the jackpot. Good luck...

[OWUeagleMD]

I will agree that with the current CBA the teams have an unfair advantage over a player in terms of contract payouts, terminations, tags, etc. However to say a player has *no* leverage is just...well just plain wrong.

Oh well.

Except of course the overwhelming sample of evidence we have that indicates I'm just plain... right.

[OWUeagleMD]

I certainly hope you are in the practice of negotiating for a living. Whoever sits across the table from you is guaranteed to hit the jackpot. Good luck...

Reread and consider what's gone on with McNabb and the Eagles. You think my negotiation is misguided? I learned from one of Syracuse University's finest Communications Department alumnus.

[da#1skinsfan]

Except of course the overwhelming sample of evidence we have that indicates I'm just plain... right.

Great point, very well said. Youre right. Have a good night with your overweight girlfriend. You wouldnt happen to be selling any propert in the Raleigh area? Im looking there and would love a great deal.;)

:cheers:

[OWUeagleMD]

McNabb has been the starting QB for the Eagles for how long. You are minimizing how Garcia came in and went 5-6 in the regular season. He led them to the playoffs. He then led them to a playoff victory against the team that won the SB the following year prior to losing.

McNabb's first season as a starting QB he won one playoff game at home in the wildcard round.

He was 24 years old and had Torrance Small and Charles Johnson as his receivers. It's not that I'm minimizing Garcia's one season as an Eagle, it's that it really wasn't all that impressive.

I had a great ride and, frankly, it was one of the most enjoyable teams I've been able to watch in the last 10 years, primarily because of the way Garcia carried himself on the field.

But dealing in simple fact, Garcia's accomplishment is worth very, very little compared to McNabb's many accomplishments (or even just the one, back from his second year in the league, 2000).

And once again, Garcia is six years older. Suggesting to trade our 32 y.o. QB for a 37 y.o. QB when there is no young QB with a future on the present roster would be the height of stupidity.

[OWUeagleMD]

Great point, very well said. Youre right. Have a good night with your overweight girlfriend. You wouldnt happen to be selling any propert in the Raleigh area? Im looking there and would love a great deal.;)

:cheers:

Holding people hostage by withholding something that they didn't even want always works.

That's the lesson here. I'm glad we all learned something.

[DWinzit]

And once again, Garcia is six years older. Suggesting to trade our 32 y.o. QB for a 37 y.o. QB when there is no future QB on the roster would be the height of stupidity.The thought was you'd be getting rid of an increasing headache in McNabb while gaining a small in draft picks.

Some of the picks could be parlayed into any QB the team might like in the draft. They could also be used to work on the OL to protect these guys.

I find it hard to believe you have become this much of a McNabb fan. I don't recall you standing up for him that much in the past.

Do you have another suggestion at QB?

[OWUeagleMD]

The thought was you'd be getting rid of an increasing headache in McNabb while gaining a small in draft picks.

Some of the picks could be parlayed into any QB the team might like in the draft. They could also be used to work on the OL to protect these guys.

I find it hard to believe you have become this much of a McNabb fan. I don't recall you standing up for him that much in the past.

Do you have another suggestion at QB?

I don't thin you're understanding where I'm coming from. I'm not this much of a McNabb fan. That's how bad of an idea I think "the Garcia plan" is.

I'm not standing up for McNabb when I say that Garcia's meager accomplishment to win one wildcard game against an 8-8 team doesn't compare to what McNabb has accomplished.

My suggestion at QB is to do exactly what they would have done had he never asked for a contract extension in the first place: don't give him one. He's got two years left on his deal. After this season, both parties can reassess where they stand. As is, there is no solution--none-- that would make them more likely to win the Super Bowl next season than they are with McNabb under center.

Now, if he escalates the issue by demanding a trade, then you start looking at blowing up the entire roster and accepting that the window has slammed shut.

[dockeryfan]

McNabb can complain all he wants, but he's under contract. He's going to play, and he's going to make about 10.4 million. He can ***** and moan, but the only "power" he has is if he wants to fake an injury, and get paid on the sideline, which no player will ever do (except possibly Lito this year). Other than that, he's got nothing.

[bubba9497]

To quote Bubba, you guys should have taken LenDale White! ;)

no one ever listens to me :doh:

[DWinzit]

I'm not standing up for McNabb when I say that Garcia's meager accomplishment to win one wildcard game against an 8-8 team doesn't compare to what McNabb has accomplished.
In 2005 the McNabb led Eagles were 6-10.
In 2007 the McNabb led Eagles were 8-8.
In 2006 the Eagles were 5-5 in games McNabb started.
In 2006 the Eagles were 5-1 in games Garcia started.

They then went on to win that playoff game you speak of.

[OWUeagleMD]

In 2005 the McNabb led Eagles were 6-10.
In 2007 the McNabb led Eagles were 8-8.
In 2006 the Eagles were 5-5 in games McNabb started.
In 2006 the Eagles were 5-1 in games Garcia started.

They then went on to win that playoff game you speak of.

McNabb was injured in each season you've highlighted.

Show me how they've done when he's been healthy.

This is a foolish argument.

[Taylor 36]

Well, I hear there is a slight possibility TO may be looking for a team. :laugh:

[dockeryfan]

McNabb was injured in each season you've highlighted.

You're kidding, right?

Michael Westbrook would have been a hell of a receiver if it weren't for those pesky spinal injuries...

[OWUeagleMD]

You're kidding, right?

Michael Westbrook would have been a hell of a receiver if it weren't for those pesky spinal injuries...

Three injuries in a ten year career--when each of the other seven years result in AT LEAST the same result as the player with whom we are drawing a comparison was able to manuever-- is a bit different than Michael Westbrook's career. Fair?

And please no one lose sight of the losing argument being posed here by Mr. Winzit.

Dwinz has proposed that the Eagles should trade McNabb so that they can acquire a 37 y.o. QB whose most recent performance resulted in the season's second most embarrasing collapse while drafting a complete unknown at the game's most important position.

The only relevant point re: McNabb/Garcia is that McNabb has accomplished as much or more than Jeff Garcia every time he's completed a season in his life. The ridiculous argument that Garcia had one chance while McNabb had ten is negated by the fact that if you want to eliminate McNabb's entire career after his first opportunity as a starting QB, he still accomplished as much as Jeff Garcia, except he did it with a much worse team.

I'm not suggesting that McNabb is anything other than what we all know him to be; I'm saying that Dwinz's "Garcia plan" displays all the tactical forethought of the Iran-Contra affair.

[DWinzit]

My OWU, 3 times you mention my name in one post.........Looks like I got to you without trying. Damn I wish I could be that good when attempting to rile someone.;)

I started out stating the same thing as you, he has two years remaining on his contract so he should shut up and play.

I followed by offering a possible solution to bring in a vet QB familiar to the system, coaches, players and match him with Kolb or a young stud you could pick up with picks acquired in the trade. Isn't this a plan regularly used by NFL teams?

Like it or not this guy was handed a team that was floundering in mediocrity and rallied them to the playoffs.

I must admit I can't understand your trivializing Garcia's playoff victory against the Giants. Heck McNabb failed to beat them in the regular season and after all, the Cowboys would kill for a playoff win.

While McNabb is a good QB, he has floundered in big games, has never been respected by many Eagle fans, is fast becoming a top league media diva and has sustained numerous injuries over the past few seasons. Trading him with two years on his contract could bring a group of picks and/or players, perhaps even another vet or young talented QB.

[OWUeagleMD]

Teams move on from franchise QBs all the time. I'm not sure I recall one ever willingly getting 5 years older at the position by seeking out a player who was just allowed to walk from a team that lost four straight games to end a season, squandering their playoff opportunity. That doesn't make any sense, not at all.

I mentioned your name because you were the person with whom I was having a discussion. Not sure if that's unheard of.

Once again, no one's minimizing Garcia's playoff win, but let's not make more out of it than it was. McNabb accomplished as much when he was 24 years old with Torrance Small and Charles Johnson as his receivers and Darnell Autry as his running back.

[DWinzit]

Teams move on from franchise QBs all the time. I'm not sure I recall one ever willingly getting 5 years older at the position by seeking out a player who was just allowed to walk from a team that lost four straight games to end a season, squandering their playoff opportunity. That doesn't make any sense, not at all.You do realize the Buc's fired their GM and HC, right? The reason is simple, they haven't won a playoff game since the 2002 SB and only last year (Garcia's first year) did they make it to the playoffs.
I mentioned your name because you were the person with whom I was having a discussion. Not sure if that's unheard of.Three times in one post, yeah pretty much.
Once again, no one's minimizing Garcia's playoff win, but let's not make more out of it than it was. McNabb accomplished as much when he was 24 years old with Torrance Small and Charles Johnson as his receivers and Darnell Autry as his running back.McNabb was floundering the year Garcia took over and brought them to the playoffs. The Eagles failed to reach playoff status the year prior or the year following with McNabb. Not saying Garcia is a better QB but was better during that period in Eagle history.

[Westbrook36]

No one on this messageboard muddies the waters like DWinzit. He posts things he truely doesn't believe in an attempt to make you feel bad about your team. You can pretty easily ascertain his feelings on players he fears because he talks about how it would be in the team's best interest to get rid of them. He never believes this but he never relents.

This is a guy who has said that McNabb wouldn't be an Eagle the last 2 seasons. Remember, DWinzit?

Now he is advancing the ridiculous proposition that Jeff Garcia would be a better option for 09 for the Eagles then McNabb. Now, McNabb gets on my nerves but it is what it is. No one with a sound mind believes Garcia is a better option. Well, not a better option if wins and losses are your main grading criteria.

But, alas, he will continue this because he is not above making intellectually dishonest arguments in order to muddy the waters.

[DWinzit]

No one on this messageboard muddies the waters like DWinzit. Pot.......Kettle.......lol

I've always been honest in my statements of being a fan of McNabb. Similar to you I have recently become sick of his escapades. As a result of this, an aparent failure in Kolb and an unimpressive showing by Feeley I for the first time since the drafting of McNabb do not find myself envious of the Eagles QB situation.
This is a guy who has said that McNabb wouldn't be an Eagle the last 2 seasons. Remember, DWinzit?I recall discussing this in detail two years ago. It was when the Eagles had a big decision to make between sticking with McNabb or resiging Garcia. If memory serves there were numerous Eagle fans, perhaps you even, leaning towards Garcia.

[pointyfootball]

I support McNabb's "Upgrade the Roster 2009" Campaign.

Not a whole lot of ways it can be done to immediate effect, but I support it. If for no other reason than it'll be a better team for QB X in 2011 after his contract runs out.

[OWUeagleMD]

I support McNabb's "Upgrade the Roster 2009" Campaign.

Not a whole lot of ways it can be done to immediate effect, but I support it. If for no other reason than it'll be a better team for QB X in 2011 after his contract runs out.

In theory. If we trade two draft picks for Boldin and his career hits the skids, we won't really have done the 2011 squad any favors.

Still, I hope they find a way to get Boldin over here. Or something. They can't stand pat.

[dockeryfan]

No one on this messageboard muddies the waters like Westbrook36

fixed that for you.

If the Eagles were to trade McNabb somehow, they would most likely have to get older at QB for a short time. Kolb isn't ready, and may not ever be ready. The line is aging, so you could count on a vet to get the job done with less protection.

It's going to make the team worse to get rid of McNabb, but if they do, they have to go with someone other than Kolb. So who? Garcia is not beyond possibility, I suppose.

[OWUeagleMD]

fixed that for you.

If the Eagles were to trade McNabb somehow, they would most likely have to get older at QB for a short time. Kolb isn't ready, and may not ever be ready. The line is aging, so you could count on a vet to get the job done with less protection.

It's going to make the team worse to get rid of McNabb, but if they do, they have to go with someone other than Kolb. So who? Garcia is not beyond possibility, I suppose.

He played poorly this season. He's 37 years old. Thirty seven! That's not a veteran to hold the fort until someone else can take over; that's an old man.

There's no benefit to the move.

[dockeryfan]

He played poorly this season. He's 37 years old. Thirty seven! That's not a veteran to hold the fort until someone else can take over; that's an old man.

There's no benefit to the move.

Coaches are arrogant. They think they can get more out of them than the last guy did. That's how Reid approaches his WRs. That's how Garcia was brought to Philly the first time. Anyway, I don't see Garcia coming or McNabb going, so it doesn't matter.

If anything, this drama helps some people shake the image that McNabb is a company guy. He's still a fraud, but for some this will be a little sugar to help the medicine go down.

[Westbrook36]

It is funny to read Skins fans who post about how they think bringing Garcia in would be a good move while everyone in here knows they'd be dancing inside if it actually happened.

[dockeryfan]

It is funny to read Skins fans who post about how they think bringing Garcia in would be a good move while everyone in here knows they'd be dancing inside if it actually happened.

It's going to make the team worse to get rid of McNabb...
I think I was pretty clear in this thread.

[HeHateMe]

In theory. If we trade two draft picks for Boldin and his career hits the skids, we won't really have done the 2011 squad any favors.

Still, I hope they find a way to get Boldin over here. Or something. They can't stand pat.

Theyre getting Housh, OWU.

Mark it down.

[OWUeagleMD]

Theyre getting Housh, OWU.

Mark it down.

I've been careful not to develop expectations of any kind for this free agency period, so much so that I really haven't even decided what I "want" them to do.

[tr1]

No one on this messageboard muddies the waters like DWinzit. He posts things he truely doesn't believe in an attempt to make you feel bad about your team. You can pretty easily ascertain his feelings on players he fears because he talks about how it would be in the team's best interest to get rid of them. He never believes this but he never relents.

Most Eagle fans would have preferred Garcia over McNabb two years ago...given half a chance again in Andy's sytem, I'd think the same would be true this year.

DWinzit has it right.

WB, you have it wrong....again.

[Westbrook36]

Most Eagle fans would have preferred Garcia over McNabb two years ago...given half a chance again in Andy's sytem, I'd think the same would be true this year.

DWinzit has it right.

WB, you have it wrong....again.

Revisionist history is fun; but not based in reality. There was a small vocal minority that wanted Garcia......the largest portion of Eagles fans knew McNabb was the better choice.

I think the ATN crew was pretty universal in wanting McNabb back.

[HeHateMe]

I've been careful not to develop expectations of any kind for this free agency period, so much so that I really haven't even decided what I "want" them to do.

Of course, nothing is a given.

But he's right there for the taking.

I can't see how the Birds miss this one.

It's set up perfectly.

[dockeryfan]

Of course, nothing is a given.

But he's right there for the taking.

I can't see how the Birds miss this one.

It's set up perfectly.

So was LeCharles Bentley.

[OWUeagleMD]

Of course, nothing is a given.

But he's right there for the taking.

I can't see how the Birds miss this one.

It's set up perfectly.

His age would make him a departure from any of their "major" free agent pickups of the past. Owens, Kearse, Howard, Curtis and Samuel were all on the right side of 30 when the Eagles signed them.

The front office has recently said "we never claimed that we would never sign 30-year-old players." We'll see.

[OWUeagleMD]

So was LeCharles Bentley.

And, in retrospect, thank goodness that didn't work out.

[Westbrook36]

And, in retrospect, thank goodness that didn't work out.

Well, unless you think he would have freakishly tore up his knee with the Eagles, I'll have to disagree.

Our centers have been horrible save one year in the last 10.

[OWUeagleMD]

Well, unless you think he would have freakishly tore up his knee with the Eagles, I'll have to disagree.

Our centers have been horrible save one year in the last 10.

Maybe it wasn't freakish? Or maybe it was, I don't really know. I do know he's out of football and never played a regular season game for the Browns. It's just difficult for me to mourn the front office's failure to sign a guy whose entire career went up in flames. It's just such a ready-made criticism from the other side. They got used to throwing that grenade in the months after Bentley shocked the Philly media by signing with Cleveland, and now they're still using it, despite the fact that the guy doesn't even play football anymore.

[BillyKilmer]

With all the looses along the OLine Philly had better get busy

[bubba9497]

Hous ur momma is probably staying in Cincy

[dockeryfan]

And, in retrospect, thank goodness that didn't work out.

That doesn't make sense to me. The injury was an accident, and can happen to any player. He was a talent that they were unable to sign, that's all.

[OWUeagleMD]

That doesn't make sense to me. The injury was an accident, and can happen to any player. He was a talent that they were unable to sign, that's all.

I can't argue with this. But you aren't going to see me lamenting our inability to sign a player who never played another football game.

[pointyfootball]

I would think AR would go hard after Brown from the Ravens. They HAVE to add a vet OL, and he would allow them to move Herremans outside, although I don't know how that would go. Does TJ really upgrade them significantly at receiver? They HAVE to have a solid FB, TE more than TJ, IMO.