No new HD jumbotrons for 2009

[Tastes Like Chicken]

So, we've discussed the topic of the pathetic analog lite-brite mintrons in the past.

We've heard false (official) rumors:
http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=208097

We've been teased with promising news:
http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=273646&highlight=jumbotron

But I just got off the phone with a guy at the ticket office. I called in to pay my invoice (just love doing that :doh: ).

Me: "I was told last year that new jumbotrons were coming, but y'all ran out of time. Are they installed for this season, or not?"

Guy: "Uh, I don't know actually. Let me go ask."

Put me on hold, got to listen to more riveting play by play of the TD pass to Randle El.

Guy: "The screens that are there will be the same ones from last year."

Me: "So, no new jumbotrons, no high-def. Same old ones."

Guy: "Yep. Have a nice day."

Me: "Albert Haynesworth. Albert Haynesworth. Albert Haynes...."

I wanted to reach through the phone and :chair:

[fullnelson9999]

Eh, its not like we need them to see great offensive highlights.

[TorresA]

riveting conversation.. .I am guess the person on the other end has no idea who this Albert guy is.

[zoony]

oooh, nice use of the new smiley! :applause:

[IONTOP]

Well this settles it... I won't be attending FedEx this year... I'll see everyone at the Carolina game!

[Jofizz]

**** **** **** **** !!!!

[Skinz4Life12]

lol this sux.....

[bbruce0]

Well that blows, thanks for the update though.

[Skinsfan1311]

But I just got off the phone with a guy at the ticket office. I called in to pay my invoice (just love doing that :doh: ).



They wouldn't take my payment over the phone. I had to fill out the invoice and fax it.

[MoeRedskins]

The people that are expecting a new HD screen at FedEx are funny. First off, no new screens will be installed there b/c of the way it is constructed, it's true. They would have to rip out entire sections of stadium to put the cooling section for the HD screen.

Secondly, does Dan Snyder seem like the type of owner that would upgrade the stadium without passing the costs on? You'll know if there is going to be a new HD screen at FedEx because everybody on this message board will be complaining about the financing for it.

[RFKFedEx]

Danny would have to pay out of pocket for new jumbos.

There's no local government for Danny to hit up for tax subsidies the way most teams who play in publicly financed facilities do whenever they want upgrades to "remain competitive".


The state of MD paid for the new HD jumbo at Camden Yards and the DCSEC paid for the new HD at Verizon Ctr. despite the fact that Abe paid out of pocket for nearly all of the construction costs at the MCI Centre.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

So, we've discussed the topic of the pathetic analog lite-brite mintrons in the past.

We've heard false (official) rumors:
http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=208097

We've been teased with promising news:
http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=273646&highlight=jumbotron

But I just got off the phone with a guy at the ticket office. I called in to pay my invoice (just love doing that :doh: ).

Me: "I was told last year that new jumbotrons were coming, but y'all ran out of time. Are they installed for this season, or not?"

Guy: "Uh, I don't know actually. Let me go ask."

Put me on hold, got to listen to more riveting play by play of the TD pass to Randle El.

Guy: "The screens that are there will be the same ones from last year."

Me: "So, no new jumbotrons, no high-def. Same old ones."

Guy: "Yep. Have a nice day."

Me: "Albert Haynesworth. Albert Haynesworth. Albert Haynes...."

I wanted to reach through the phone and :chair:

I'm not reading any more of your posts until you put your sig back the way it was.

:hysterical:

[MoeRedskins]

The state of MD paid for the new HD jumbo at Camden Yards and the DC paid for the new HD at Verizon Ctr. despite the fact that Abe paid out of pocket for nearly all of the construction costs at the MCI Centre.

Abe paid to build Verizon, but that arena is the best thing to happen in DC in a long time. completely changed the entire area for the better. DC should be tripping over itself to make sure that arena remains the like new.

[TorresA]

I think the new jumbotrons were delivered to Albert's house

[RFKFedEx]

Abe paid to build Verizon, but that arena is the best thing to happen in DC in a long time. completely changed the entire area for the better. DC should be tripping over itself to make sure that arena remains the like new.

Abe should be in the HOF for sports owners. He almost single handedly financed the construction of two sports arenas in a 25 year span while asking virtually nothing from the tax payers.

I wouldn't put it past Danny to put his hand out to PG County for IT upgrades if they continue to push forward w/their soccer stadium project.

[Dan T.]

They HAVE to get new Jumbotrons, because a shot of Albert Haynesworth won't fit on the old ones.

[MCnDaHouse]

LOL, now that was pretty funny!

[Tastes Like Chicken]

They wouldn't take my payment over the phone. I had to fill out the invoice and fax it.

Interesting. I was splitting the invoice equally onto 3 different credit cards, the guy even had to run and get more credit card invoices for my payment.

Different person on the phone = different story

Typical result at the FedEx Field Ticket Office. :hysterical:

[RedskinsFanatic]

When you sit in Sec 141..who needs a jumbotron? :)

[Tastes Like Chicken]

When you sit in Sec 141..who needs a jumbotron? :)

Even in 141, this is a travesty:

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg244/jdabi9700/suckyscreen.jpg

Who the hell is that? Evander Holyfield? Bald Bull? Art Monk? I have no ****ing idea because the resolution is like dragging sticks through dirt?!

:doh:

[DButz65]

Even in 141, this is a travesty:

http://image69.webshots.com/669/7/25/30/2219725300011577380PewDJj_ph.jpg

Who the hell is that? Evander Holyfield? Bald Bull? Art Monk? I have no ****ing idea because the resolution is like dragging sticks through dirt?!

:doh:



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And who cares about the damn video screens, if you want to see replays stay home :D The on the field product is way more important that a video screen. If we are winning no one will be complaining about them, its just something else for supposed fans to whine about when we aren't playing well. my :2cents:

[Dan T.]

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And who cares about the damn video screens, if you want to see replays stay home :D The on the field product is way more important that a video screen. If we are winning no one will be complaining about them, its just something else for supposed fans to whine about when we aren't playing well. my :2cents:

I disagree. Snyder likes to talk about improving the fan experience. Well, video screens capable of showing replays isn't much to ask. Every new stadium being built has state of the art video capability.

I saw the Ravens' stadium last spring at the NCAA lacrosse tournament. Those video screens were awesome. Something like that at FedEx would be sweet. It's a big ticket item, though. Maybe Haynesworth will kick in a few bucks.

[mhd24]

Abe should be in the HOF for sports owners. He almost single handedly financed the construction of two sports arenas in a 25 year span while asking virtually nothing from the tax payers.

I wouldn't put it past Danny to put his hand out to PG County for IT upgrades if they continue to push forward w/their soccer stadium project.

Actually fedex was built with private money. Only the roads were built by public money (this was mandatory by law).

[da#1skinsfan]

Those screens will be there for as long as absolutely possible. Straight from the source, just know they arent going anywhere anytime soon unless someone blows them up. And even then, they've got the means to repair them.

[RFKFedEx]

Actually fedex was built with private money.


I didn't say it wasn't.

However, if PGC is going to piss away 200 mil on a soccer stadium near FedEx, I'd want to wet my beak if I were Danny.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

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And who cares about the damn video screens, if you want to see replays stay home :D The on the field product is way more important that a video screen. If we are winning no one will be complaining about them, its just something else for supposed fans to whine about when we aren't playing well. my :2cents:

When there's a key play like a fumble or force out, you bet your ass I'd like to see a replay. Some players even utilize the big screens to know how they're being pursued on long plays.

I've complained about those screens when we were 10-6 and 5-11. I'd complain about them if we were 19-0. "Supposed fan" eh, no crack-on-a-stick for you! :nono:




;)

[Mark The Homer]

"Supposed fan" eh, no crack-on-a-stick for you! :nono:

;)I got dibs on his share :)

[JeffSchmeff]

Jumbotrons don't make money, so why waste money on them? All they do is improve the gameday experience.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Jumbotrons don't make money, so why waste money on them? All they do is improve the gameday experience.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/Picture_of_godzillatron.jpg

Coca-Cola, Taco Bell, AT&T, Silestone, Academy, State Farm, Time Warner, and Dodge might disagree with you. :)

[RFKFedEx]

Our jumbotron sucks hind tail so I hope the Cowboys fans enjoy their new theatre.
$300 a seat to watch tv in the upper deck will never get old.

[Passizle]

Oh no.... we got a jumbotron alright. a $100,000,000.00 dollar jumbotron.

[topdogbran]

Maybe they could apply for some stimulus money...

[Tennessee Ed]

Jumbotrons don't make money, so why waste money on them? All they do is improve the gameday experience.

False. Big screens are a cash making machine. Advertisers love having their spot played during the game to "captive" audience. At most sporting events I have worked, they track every ad, every time. It is a revenue stream that DS is missing out on. If he could get those screens in, he would.

[da#1skinsfan]

Those advertisers are advertising regardless of the screen. DS knows this.

Screen = zero impact on revenue and large impact on costs = lower profitability = losing proposition with Danny 100 out of 100 times.

Its not happening, for years. Everyone goes through this every offseason but trust me those screens are not going anywhere unless a full 180 is pulled within the offices of Fedex Field.

[BuryYourDuke]

Who cares? I'd rather spend the money on great players than bigger screens. If you care about watching replays and everything being perfect, watch at home. I hear circuit city is blowing **** out.

[DaGhost]

Has anyone noticed how the entire stadium, not just the jumbotron, needs to be upgraded? The pads around the field, the big skins helmet, and the jumbotrons, just to name a few are all looking horrible....

You have to wonder if Snyder is just biding his time and saving his cash for a move back into the city... thoughts?

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Those advertisers are advertising regardless of the screen. DS knows this.

Screen = zero impact on revenue and large impact on costs = lower profitability = losing proposition with Danny 100 out of 100 times.

Its not happening, for years. Everyone goes through this every offseason but trust me those screens are not going anywhere unless a full 180 is pulled within the offices of Fedex Field.

http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=6171477&postcount=29

Hell, you can even have a sponsor for the screens themselves.

ex. "Ladies and gentlemen, for the winner of tonight's Fan of the Night, take a look at the Pepsi HD Scoreboard in the West Endzone"

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Who cares? I'd rather spend the money on great players than bigger screens. If you care about watching replays and everything being perfect, watch at home. I hear circuit city is blowing **** out.

Uh, that's not what this is about. I've been to every home game from '05-present, plus 4 away games if you include the HOF game in Canton. And I'm pretty sure it would be hard to find a setup at CC that beats the one in my basement. ;)

Spending big buck$ on players is another topic for another thread. We are at or near the top of most profitable sports franchises in the world, every year.

Yet how many NFL franchises have a worse stadium experience than ours? Please tell me.

We do have the best tailgates though. :1stplace:

[RFKFedEx]

Yet how many NFL franchises have a worse stadium experience than ours? Please tell me.


Because you're asking, I'd say there's only one. The Niners, but only because of Candlestick Park's whacky seating configuration.


We do have the best tailgates though. :1stplace:

You got that right.

And don't forget about the best secondary market for ticket buying.
:munchout:


Hail!:helmet:

[Buford]

its a tough economy out there. You can't just be throwing dollars around.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

its a tough economy out there. You can't just be throwing dollars around.

Albert, is that you? :hysterical:

[Yusuf06]

I agree wholeheartedly with TLC-and not just because his sig rocks. The tinytron and to a certain degree, our stadium yields a sorry gameday experience compared to others around the league. Strangely enough, Snyder seemed to be able to find $$$ to make improvements that would allow him squeeze more fannies into the stadium.

However as with most other complaints about the team, nobody would care much if we were consistently winning.

[Dallsux]

From what I understand, Snyder himself has said that the design of the stadium, something that was already constructed BEFORE he bought the team, does not allow them the opportunity to make it bigger. So, to be honest, I didn't think this would ever happen anyway. I would guess that any chance this is going to happen is if/when we get a new stadium...hopefully in DC.

[onnie007]

Who cares? Snyder probably isn't investing in the jumbotron because he knows he wants a new venue in the city somewhere.

[psu2008]

Who cares? Snyder probably isn't investing in the jumbotron because he knows he wants a new venue in the city somewhere.

Exactly. He isn't putting anymore money into it. Also the padding around the stadium looks awful and faded.

[Mark The Homer]

If you study how the jumbotron was originally designed and installed, it is almost as if JKC anticipated installing a bigger tron some day. A more horizontal screen would effectively double or even triple its size without losing a single seat.

http://rondiromamanagement.com/Jumbotron3.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2231/2174512762_2fc337f1bc.jpg?v=0

And regarding the digital vs analog end of it, the subject of the jumbotron upgrade has been kind of discussed in the feedback forum recently:

http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=279943

[RFKFedEx]

Also the padding around the stadium looks awful and faded.

At least that's a character mark. Character is something our stadium has sorely needed for the last 11 years.

If Danny does anything about the walls, he'll probably put up more advertisements. That removable wall paper nearly every other team in the league has is kind of cliche.

[da#1skinsfan]

TLC - Taco Bell, etc on that link you posted - whats the difference between that and Bud, Smirnoff and FedEx above?

It just wouldnt make financial sense to do it - and again, its simply not happening. If you disagree with this move maybe Dan and co. will share with you the research they have done to decide against this themselves if you ask nicely.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

TLC - Taco Bell, etc on that link you posted - whats the difference between that and Bud, Smirnoff and FedEx above?

It just wouldnt make financial sense to do it - and again, its simply not happening. If you disagree with this move maybe Dan and co. will share with you the research they have done to decide against this themselves if you ask nicely.

For one thing, you can rotate the ads. Two, you can have a corporate sponsor ie. the Chick Fil-A Jumbotron. But let's not lose the point that we deserve the best gameday experience possible, like seeing a replay of a key turnover, force out, fumble etc.

[Big Mac Patty Wack]

I am pretty sure the entire wiring system has to be upgraded first for jumbotrons to be installed. That would be a huge project.

[Mark The Homer]

I am pretty sure the entire wiring system has to be upgraded first for jumbotrons to be installed. That would be a huge project.Not according to Chipwich:


http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=279943

[cphil006]

So, what we've got here is a choice:

Albert Haynesworth
-
or
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New JumboTrons
-
what to do???

[cphil006]

Not according to Chipwich:


http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=279943

I have Verizon FiOS and yes it is fiber to the house, specifically a box. From that box RG-6 cable is then run to the TVs...

not sure if JumboTrons need fiber or RG-6.

Even IF fiber is run in the stadium... I don't think it goes straight to the screens. Running of cable is required. Whether they have the money doesn't seem to be the question. THe question seems to be whether or not he wants to spend it at this time.

His Six Flags just filed for Chapter 11.

[Mark The Homer]

I have Verizon FiOS and yes it is fiber to the house, specifically a box. From that box RG-6 cable is then run to the TVs...

not sure if JumboTrons need fiber or RG-6.

Even IF fiber is run in the stadium... I don't think it goes straight to the screens. Running of cable is required. Whether they have the money doesn't seem to be the question. THe question seems to be whether or not he wants to spend it at this time.

His Six Flags just filed for Chapter 11.Good point re how they run the lines. Mine is the same way. Fios to the house, then standard cable through the house. But I don't have any digital TVs yet.

Do you?

[cphil006]

Good point re how they run the lines. Mine is the same way. Fios to the house, then standard cable through the house. But I don't have any digital TVs yet.

Do you?

Yes, just got one, although the picture of the HD channels on the regular TV look pretty sharp. On digital TV the high def signals come in great. I'm also impressed with the internet download speeds. I had someone send me a 5 MB file and it took 1 sec at 5MB/sec (obviously). Although at times it is around 150kb/sec.

Anyway, fiber seems like a good service. THe potential is far greater than cable to the house.

[Park City Skins]

Tell you what. This team wins at home and manages to get itself to the playoffs,round two even, and they can have a 1973 RCA console and I'd be happy.








:silly:

[djbubba4life]

Its okay guys we can watch the game on a Kangaroo!


http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/08/kangaroo_tv.jpg

[Toe Jam]

Damn... this blows.

The year I decide to attend three games instead of one, too. Boo!

[spjunkies]

The Cows new place might be fug, but at least they get a nice new big TV :(

http://www.blavish.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/cowboys-stadium-12-13-2006.jpg

[Mark The Homer]

Tell you what. This team wins at home and manages to get itself to the playoffs,round two even, and they can have a 1973 RCA console and I'd be happy. Suddenly, my 1988 RCA console doesn't look so bad! :D

[bluedragon]

The Cows new place might be fug, but at least they get a nice new big TV :(



It must be better to have the Jumbotron at the corners like the Colts

http://politicalnightmare.com/images/lucasoil/tour/jumbotron.JPG

[Mark The Homer]

I believe the Colts tron is suspended over mid-field.

[Riggo#44]

I think we need to face facts: FedEx Blows.

[rd421]

Man with the economy like it is I never for a minute thought there would be upgrades coming....people already cannot afford to go to games(myself being one who def can't) no way they can come with a higher invoice due to a new hd screen

[cphil006]

I may have to invest in a nice couch... and surround sound system to give me that "stadium" sound without the bathroom line or $8 beers...

[cphil006]

I think we need to face facts: FedEx Blows.

I just sent a package from Kinko's with Fed Ex... trying to help them out...

[Larry Brown #43]

From what I understand, Snyder himself has said that the design of the stadium, something that was already constructed BEFORE he bought the team, does not allow them the opportunity to make it bigger. So, to be honest, I didn't think this would ever happen anyway.

I've heard the same thing, but it makes no sense to me. There are stadiums much older than FedEx that have had HD jumbotrons installed. Dolphins Stadium is one, and I know there are others.

[skinsfan4life7]

I think the new jumbotrons were delivered to Albert's house

LOL probably. He probably is going to have 4-5 of them in his house now. And yeah I agree with what someone else posted about Snyder not willing to pay out of pocket to have them completely removed and put in new ones. Not gonna happen. Maybe if you guys would like a ticket increase to pay for it then you might get your wish.

[Skins-Canes-Mounties]

I believe the Skins have some room to work with for new screens. They could remove the Budweiser signs to either side of current screens to expand what they have got. I'm not sure of the term of the advertising agreement with Budweiser, but I'm sure it would be workable.

The problem is that there is a "waiting list," of potential season ticket holders and our owner has a suite, so there is just no motivation on their part to create a better game experience for the rest of the stadium. Some team owners care about what they create for their fans (Cowboys), some stadium owners need to compete for Bowl games / Superbowls (Cardinals, Dolphins), and some need to have great facilities to bring in fans when the team isn't doing well (Colts). The Skins don't fall into any of those categories.

[bluedragon]

I just sent a package from Kinko's with Fed Ex... trying to help them out...

I thought i did the same when i ordered a new hoodie and a cooley t-shirt......but guess what:laugh:.......shipping by US Postal Service, so no money to FedEx:doh:

[Toe Jam]

and some need to have great facilities to bring in fans when the team isn't doing well (Colts).

The Colts aren't doing well? Since when?

:silly:

[Mark The Homer]

The Colts aren't doing well? Since when?

:silly:Any time the Colts don't make it to the AFC Championship, the Colts fans think it's a bad year. :doh:

Must be nice...

[Skins-Canes-Mounties]

The Colts aren't doing well? Since when?

:silly:

No, I'm not saying that they aren't doing well now. I'm sure their season tickets are sold out given the run that they've had over the last decade. But Manning won't be around forever, and they need to be prepared if they return to the 1980s and 1990s Colts. They don't have the luxury of having a fanbase that will (Redskins, Steelers etc.) continue to sell out the Dome when the team fares poorly - that's all I'm saying.

Maybe the Colts were a bad example. The Browns would be a better example of a team that needs to have great facilities to help the draw. In any event, the Redskins continue to "sell out" the stadium despite average play on the field and poor facilities at FedEx, so there is no reason to upgrade the facilities for the fan's experience (Not that Snyder hasn't tried to upgrade the on-field performance to satisfy his own needs there).

[Horatio]

I believe the Skins have some room to work with for new screens. They could remove the Budweiser signs to either side of current screens to expand what they have got. I'm not sure of the term of the advertising agreement with Budweiser, but I'm sure it would be workable.



You mean, Snyder could actually side with the fans instead of with his advertisers?? Ain't gonna happen, I'm afraid...

[boysetsfire]

I've heard the same thing, but it makes no sense to me. There are stadiums much older than FedEx that have had HD jumbotrons installed. Dolphins Stadium is one, and I know there are others.

Looking at the Dolphins HD jumbotron I don't see how FedEx couldn't pull something like this off. Of course you wouldn't dare catch me sitting under that thing. :D

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3495/openingdayscoreboardfs7.jpg

[RFKFedEx]

the Redskins continue to "sell out" the stadium

That's debatable.







But I'm w/ you on Danny not having an incentive to upgrade.:mad:

[BAFGA]

Looking at the Dolphins HD jumbotron I don't see how FedEx couldn't pull something like this off. Of course you wouldn't dare catch me sitting under that thing. :D



Actually, that might not be too bad sitting under there. At least you're protected from the weather under there (heat, rain).

[CREON53]

We can't get HD Jumbotrons in FedEx, but Liberty University can get one.

http://www.libertyflames.com/index.cfm?PID=10869&newsID=4011&TeamID=

[sly]

We can't get HD Jumbotrons in FedEx, but Liberty University can get one.

http://www.libertyflames.com/index.cfm?PID=10869&newsID=4011&TeamID=


Looks awesome.

Liberty U has tons of funding. Falwell's death a couple years ago cleared the school's debt with the insurance. They are expanding and constructing new buildings all the time.

[SwampEm]

The people that are expecting a new HD screen at FedEx are funny. First off, no new screens will be installed there b/c of the way it is constructed, it's true. They would have to rip out entire sections of stadium to put the cooling section for the HD screen.

Secondly, does Dan Snyder seem like the type of owner that would upgrade the stadium without passing the costs on? You'll know if there is going to be a new HD screen at FedEx because everybody on this message board will be complaining about the financing for it.


Is this true that there could never be a jumbotron in there without some sort of major overhaul to the stadium?
Baltimore is getting new jumbotrons next year. Their current ones are 10000000 times better than ours.

[ACW]

At least we HAVE a scoreboard. GMU doesn't even have a video scoreboard :cry:
And a new stadium IN the city=win.

[celts32]

They could put one on the top of the stadium the way they have it in Miami. That would actually open up room for even more seats where the current screens are.

[Jofizz]

They could put one on the top of the stadium the way they have it in Miami. That would actually open up room for even more seats where the current screens are.

If Danny see's this it will happen.

[corsair_joe]

The problem is that you need a specific ratio of height to width of the screen for it to look natural, for the height available, the width would be so narrow that the screen would be too small.