The Effect Of Big Al On The NFC EAST....

[zskins]

The Redskins have just put our rivals in the NFCE on Danger Will Robinson alert!

Our rivals will now have to think how they are going to block this true NFCBEAST.

The Redskins has now made these teams think about how and who they should draft this year.

Vinny says having a DT like Al is really important as even an average QB can make plays without the absence of pressure.

We have given Romo, McNabb, and Eli way too much time to make their throws.

Now they will fear Big Al and make stupid throws for Hall to intercept. :D

At the moment I am in agreement with Vinny here - minus the price tag.

Your thoughts on what else has this done to our divisional rivals.

HTTR!:point2sky

[zskins]

:saber:

I think I will play some video games while waiting to see what you all have to say on our div rivals.

:silly:

[Rhodus333]

Haynesworth is a beast, but this is the NFC east. I see him getting double coverage but i don't see him getting triple coverage or nearly the amount of sacks in previous seasons. Obviously I hope I'm wrong but damn, those Giant and Cowboy linemen are no slouches either.

We need to keep this in context. Yeah he's a beast but he can't do it all singlehandedly. He's there to free up the rest of our guys to make plays. I think overall he'll make the defense much better but his individual stats are gonna take a big hit.

[Spartacus87]

Haynesworth is a beast, but this is the NFC east. I see him getting double coverage but i don't see him getting triple coverage or nearly the amount of sacks in previous seasons. Obviously I hope I'm wrong but damn, those Giant and Cowboy linemen are no slouches either.

We need to keep this in context. Yeah he's a beast but he can't do it all singlehandedly. He's there to free up the rest of our guys to make plays. I think overall he'll make the defense much better but his individual stats are gonna take a big hit. If Griffin can stay healthy without taking the double teams now, and Montgomery can stay motivated, that'll be all we need up the middle.

Plus maybe Jason Taylor won't have his leg fall off or some other freak injury again this time. A healthy Taylor and Carter coming off the edges with those guys coming up the middle is pretty decent.

Really, it comes down to how Blache is going to adjust his scheme.

No more of this read and react, play the run first BS. Haynesworth and company need to head up field every down he's in.

[Spartacus87]

Vinny says having a DT like Al is really important as even an average QB can make plays without the absence of pressure. Can we just reflect on this for a moment?

Vinny says DTs are so important for that reason, really?

So why has he always been so off-put about drafting one?

[Gigantor]

Haynesworth will draw a double team every time. That will free up Griff, Taylor and/or Carter for the kill. The QB won't be able to just step up the pocket and throw it, he'll have to evade the middle rush to the left or right, onto the arms of our Defensive Ends. Alternatively, the QB might decide to throw an untimely pass which could be intercepted.

I also see safety blitzes galore! Landry unpredictably coming in between the gaps. I even see shifts from a 4-3 to a 3-4 right before the snap, remember that both Taylor and Carter played linebacker for years.

A beautiful sight...

[STBonecrusher21]

I just wanna see Albert rip Romo's head off.

I'm not even joking.

I want his HEAD to be OFF!! DO YOU HEAR ME AL?!?! LETS GO!

[zskins]

Can we just reflect on this for a moment?

Vinny says DTs are so important for that reason, really?

So why has he always been so off-put about drafting one?

Ok my bad. It did sounded like something Vinny wouldn't say so I went back and read that article on NFL.com again and it was actually said by some unknown manager. I thought they were talking about Vinny. :silly:

"If you can’t rush the passer in this league, you have no chance," an NFL general manager said. "The quarterbacks are too good. Even the average ones can make plays with no pressure. Your guys up front have to be able to get to the quarterback. And those guys are becoming more and more a premium. Haynesworth in this free agency class? It was him -- and then everybody else."

[acuratl1984]

If Griffin can stay healthy without taking the double teams now, and Montgomery can stay motivated, that'll be all we need up the middle.

Plus maybe Jason Taylor won't have his leg fall off or some other freak injury again this time. A healthy Taylor and Carter coming off the edges with those guys coming up the middle is pretty decent.

Really, it comes down to how Blache is going to adjust his scheme.

No more of this read and react, play the run first BS. Haynesworth and company need to head up field every down he's in.

Imagine if BJ Raji drops to #13??

Imagine us getting EITHER Gerald McCoy or Terrence Cody??

[royallypwned]

all I know is Haynesworth had better not stomp on Andre Gurode's face again...

[NattyLight]

I was thinking about this topic today. I think a hidden value that Haynesworth will add is stuffing Brandon Jacobs. I'm lovin' it.

[Shilsu]

Imagine if BJ Raji drops to #13??

That would simply be amazing.

[Destino]

No more of this read and react, play the run first BS. Haynesworth and company need to head up field every down he's in.
I'm surprised at how many redskin fans don't know this is actually happening.

[PROSCOUT]

Here I go against the grain again, but....

When we play the Giants I would play Big Albert at left defensive end. He does play both positions you know.

The Giants love to run to their right side with Jacobs picking up 8 or 9 yards a carry.

With Griffin and Albert on that side of the line together, the Giants will be lucky to get Jacobs 8 or 9 INCHES per carry. That is where you force Manning to pass.

In no way should Jason Taylor ever be allowed to play left defensive end again. THAT EXPERIMENT DID NOT WORK!

He has a linebacker body and we are short ONE Marcus Washington. Rightside linebacker
is the logical place for a 245 pound pass rusher. It sure worked for Laurence Taylor.

[GoSkins561]

I am sure there are video clips of Haynesworth -vs- the Beagles , Pukes and Midgets.

[maskedsuperstar]

Can we just reflect on this for a moment?

Vinny says DTs are so important for that reason, really?

So why has he always been so off-put about drafting one?

Hasn't been in charge of the draft. Gibbs was.

[Probos]

Can we just reflect on this for a moment?

Vinny says DTs are so important for that reason, really?

So why has he always been so off-put about drafting one?

Because Vinny doesn't know what he's doing,....that's why. He's a moron,.....a moron that says moronic things. Pretty simple actually.

[Probos]

Hasn't been in charge of the draft. Gibbs was.

He was in charge last year, and we all know how successful that was - :hysterical:

[Smoot Point Really]

I think it's important to note that defense wasn't the problem for us against the NFC East last year. We gave up less than 100 points in 6 games. The effect may be more big plays for us, but the results have to come from the offense. We did well enough to go undefeated in division last year if our offense could score.

[Laxpunk2006]

He was in charge last year, and we all know how successful that was - :hysterical:

I'm not defending Vinny here because we all know he isn't exactly the best at his job, but what DT's were available? I don't remember any DT's standing out last year as guys that could be among the elite. Whether is worked out or not, Thomas, Davis, and Kelly were all graded out as first round talents by a LOT of people. It's not like we traded up to sign Mr. Irrelevant, we took legit prospects. Vinny doesn't coach and Vinny doesn't play, his success is reliant on a lot of other people.

[gclark84]

The Redskins have just put our rivals in the NFCE on Danger Will Robinson alert!

Our rivals will now have to think how they are going to block this true NFCBEAST.

The Redskins has now made these teams think about how and who they should draft this year.

Vinny says having a DT like Al is really important as even an average QB can make plays without the absence of pressure.

We have given Romo, McNabb, and Eli way too much time to make their throws.

Now they will fear Big Al and make stupid throws for Hall to intercept. :D

At the moment I am in agreement with Vinny here - minus the price tag.

Your thoughts on what else has this done to our divisional rivals.

HTTR!:point2sky


I love the enthusiasm but we have been down this road way too many times before. I really am at the wait and see point and given our past history since Synder took over the team I am ready to anoint us division champs.

We always seem to be ready to make a run at the division and then when it counts most like last year we collapse and do it against the likes of Cinncinati and the Rams!

I love the Redskins and always will but until they actually show something on the field and show that they can beat teams like the Giants and Steelers and also win the games they are supposed to win like the Bengals and Rams then we are really still fooling ourselves. We embarrased by the Ravens, Giants and Steelers and 2 of those games were at home!

This was a nice signing but unless JC and the offence score more than 10.8 points a game which I believe was our avaerage down the stretch than we will not compete for a division or make the playoffs.

I am more worried about our offence because I believe we were 1 of only 3 teams that did not score 30 or more points in a game all year!

[Skinsfor4]

all I know is Haynesworth had better not stomp on Andre Gurode's face again...



Dont worry about him stomping on Cowboys at all.He wouldnt want to get S*** on his cleats.:evilg:

[DaGhost]

Haynesworth is a beast, but this is the NFC east. I see him getting double coverage but i don't see him getting triple coverage or nearly the amount of sacks in previous seasons. Obviously I hope I'm wrong but damn, those Giant and Cowboy linemen are no slouches either.

We need to keep this in context. Yeah he's a beast but he can't do it all singlehandedly. He's there to free up the rest of our guys to make plays. I think overall he'll make the defense much better but his individual stats are gonna take a big hit.

I hope he takes double and triple coverage! That's what he is so good at!!

I could care less about individual stats... we need to create opportunities for our edge rushers and inside blitzers to get at the QB... and if they don't pay attention to AH he's coming up the middle, too....

[G-Prime]

Haynesworth is a beast, but this is the NFC east. I see him getting double coverage but i don't see him getting triple coverage or nearly the amount of sacks in previous seasons. Obviously I hope I'm wrong but damn, those Giant and Cowboy linemen are no slouches either.

We need to keep this in context. Yeah he's a beast but he can't do it all singlehandedly. He's there to free up the rest of our guys to make plays. I think overall he'll make the defense much better but his individual stats are gonna take a big hit.

This is why our ends have been so ineffective.. You double team Al, Taylor or Carter could have big years. And end is only as good as the DT next to him quite frankly

[zskins]

I love the enthusiasm but we have been down this road way too many times before. I really am at the wait and see point and given our past history since Synder took over the team I am ready to anoint us division champs.

We always seem to be ready to make a run at the division and then when it counts most like last year we collapse and do it against the likes of Cinncinati and the Rams!

I love the Redskins and always will but until they actually show something on the field and show that they can beat teams like the Giants and Steelers and also win the games they are supposed to win like the Bengals and Rams then we are really still fooling ourselves. We embarrased by the Ravens, Giants and Steelers and 2 of those games were at home!

This was a nice signing but unless JC and the offence score more than 10.8 points a game which I believe was our avaerage down the stretch than we will not compete for a division or make the playoffs.

I am more worried about our offence because I believe we were 1 of only 3 teams that did not score 30 or more points in a game all year!

Yes I know it takes two hands to clap. But when you want your team to get into the SB then you better make sure you better have a damn good D. Being #4 last year wasn't too bad if we had gone to the SB last year and going against the #1 D well who would have won the SB. Oh wait we did go against them during the regular season and it was not too good.

Our offense needs some work and with Dockery coming back and hopefully we can get the right player at #13 to solidify our OL a little bit and maybe you never know what might happen. Hell even the Cardinals went to the SB last year. Crazy!

[OVCChairman]

I'm not defending Vinny here because we all know he isn't exactly the best at his job, but what DT's were available? I don't remember any DT's standing out last year as guys that could be among the elite. Whether is worked out or not, Thomas, Davis, and Kelly were all graded out as first round talents by a LOT of people. It's not like we traded up to sign Mr. Irrelevant, we took legit prospects. Vinny doesn't coach and Vinny doesn't play, his success is reliant on a lot of other people.



the exact same thought popped into my head. I agree with you.


And i might be wrong, but as far as everyone bashing him for not draftin O-Line people... Has Bugel EVER been a guy who built his line through the draft?

[Drunken Master III]

I was listening to ESPN 980 this morning and host said he spoke with both Brandon Jacobs and Brian Westbrook about the Haynesworth signing. They were not too excited. . . lol.

[zskins]

I was listening to ESPN 980 this morning and host said he spoke with both Brandon Jacobs and Brian Westbrook about the Haynesworth signing. They were not too excited. . . lol.

Well now they know they are going to have to earn every run. :hysterical:

And I can't wait to see that!

[DoGood28]

I think it's important to note that defense wasn't the problem for us against the NFC East last year. We gave up less than 100 points in 6 games. The effect may be more big plays for us, but the results have to come from the offense. We did well enough to go undefeated in division last year if our offense could score.

True, but I think we both can agree that there was a lot of room for improvement in the sack and turnover department. In that regard, the Skins addressed exactly that and hopefully have solved that problem outright.

On another note, can we all refrain from the "Fat Albert" nickname? I know it's catchy and I'm not really a fat person sympathizer, but this guy is a Redskin and I highly doubt he would enjoy that moniker from the fans.

[REEGSKINS]

im sorry to bring this up but i cant stop thinking of what would have been if sean taylor was in the secondary when qb's are trying to get rid of the ball with a 320 pound beast breathing down their neck. taylor was great without any help of a pass rush.

[gclark84]

im sorry to bring this up but i cant stop thinking of what would have been if sean taylor was in the secondary when qb's are trying to get rid of the ball with a 320 pound beast breathing down their neck. taylor was great without any help of a pass rush.

You are not alone in that department my friend!

[Siven]

imagine our defense if we draft a playmaking linebacker/DE at the 13th pick (or trade down).

I desperately want the team to address the RT position...but we could have a dominant defense if we go defense with the 13th pick which is incrediably tempting.

[BAMBAM30]

I like the nickname "Fat Albert" much more then "Big Al'.

JUST MY OPINION THOUGH

[Santana_Fan]

imagine our defense if we draft a playmaking linebacker/DE at the 13th pick (or trade down).

I desperately want the team to address the RT position...but we could have a dominant defense if we go defense with the 13th pick which is incrediably tempting.

I want us to get a LB definitely.

[SkinsFTW]

Vinny says DTs are so important for that reason, really?

So why has he always been so off-put about drafting one?

These guys flip-flop and forget that they totally disregarded the DL in the past. Last year and the past few it has been that the DL isn't worth drafting. Now it's our biggest need after watching teams with good DL's dominate for years, it finally caused a clue to be found.

It's funny when you look back at the drafts in the 80's, everybody says that the Redskins gave most of their picks away but with the few we had back then they seemed to draft either a DT or a DE almost every year. Higher than the 7th round too.

Now we draft receivers, or trade our draft picks for somebody else's receivers and ignore the OL/DL.

Now all of a sudden the DL is important. Who knew?

[mistertim]

I like the nickname "Fat Albert" much more then "Big Al'.

JUST MY OPINION THOUGH

The main reason I tend to call him Big Al and not Fat Albert is because, amazingly enough, he isn't really all that fat. Sure, he doesn't have 8% body fat, but for a guy with that weight he looks remarkably solid. He is just a mammoth from top to bottom, as opposed to a guy who is huge and just a fatty. I guess that's one of the things that makes him so rare; he is that big but his frame allows him to still be quick and pretty agile for that size.

[rumplestilskin]

im sorry to bring this up but i cant stop thinking of what would have been if sean taylor was in the secondary when qb's are trying to get rid of the ball with a 320 pound beast breathing down their neck. taylor was great without any help of a pass rush.
No Doubt. Hopefully The Predator can improve and scoop up SOME of that void.

[End2round2sanders]

Hmm the effect of the AH signing on the NFC east... Hmm so far only the eagles have signed an Olineman Stacey Andrews. And hes a tackle.. The giants added more pass rush while the cowboys added more LB depth.. Basically thats saying to me is they dont care so far that we signed AH. They're gonna bring so much pressure on defense, JC wont be able to get this team past mid field.. Big deal they cant run on the redskins this year if they score 17 points per game and Campbell leads us to 7 pts per they'll probably take it..

So far it doesn't seem like the East cares about the Ah signing..

[RedSunday]

I was listening to ESPN 980 this morning and host said he spoke with both Brandon Jacobs and Brian Westbrook about the Haynesworth signing. They were not too excited. . . lol.


ahhh no,they really didn't care........either one of them.:doh:

[RedSunday]

The Redskins have just put our rivals in the NFCE on Danger Will Robinson alert!

Our rivals will now have to think how they are going to block this true NFCBEAST.



Your thoughts on what else has this done to our divisional rivals.

HTTR!:point2sky


My thoughts,as for our rivals ...this hasn't done one damn thing to them or for them ,and until we win something.....anything ...........were no beast!Right now it's the Eagles and the Giants.

[heatman28]

One Hundred Million dollars down the drain...idiots! Wake up people! :doh:

[STBonecrusher21]

One Hundred Million dollars down the drain...idiots! Wake up people! :doh:

:doh: Indeed.

[Tat2dluvchylde]

I was thinking about this topic today. I think a hidden value that Haynesworth will add is stuffing Brandon Jacobs. I'm lovin' it.

My thoughts exactly! Stop Barber and Jacobs. I hate the way our defense gave it all up in the middle and I also hate cover 2.

[DaGhost]

One Hundred Million dollars down the drain...idiots! Wake up people! :doh:

you're kidding, right? if he had gone to another team you'd probably be the one saying we missed an opportunity... you can't call it a failure until its a failure... i'm keeping this post in my back pocket for the aftermath...

(i'm not saying he's guaranteed to be good, but I am saying you can't jump to these conclusions):saber:

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

One Hundred Million dollars down the drain...idiots! Wake up people! :doh:

You dont think a 4yr/48mil contract is good for his value??? :doh:

[DaGhost]

My thoughts exactly! Stop Barber and Jacobs. I hate the way our defense gave it all up in the middle and I also hate cover 2.

The problem with some of these runners that they like to get to the edge... lots of off tackles aimed at putting these big guys out there with corners and lb's instead of the big tackles... which is why i want daniels back... he is a monster at the run...

[HA1LV1CT0RY]

I can't wait for the first time we play any of the NFC East teams and Big AL stuffs the **** out of westbrook/barber/jacobs. OR lays out one of their QB's.

I love the summer, but man, August is too far away.

[[[ghost]]]

Well, Jacobs had his best runs against us off the edge, against Carter and Taylor.

Hopefully, with Daniels back, we'll be able to contain that side of the line, but perhaps moving Haynesworth over to the edge and allowing Monty and Griffin to stay in the middle will finally shut down that run game.

[Siven]

];6203380']Well, Jacobs had his best runs against us off the edge, against Carter and Taylor.

Hopefully, with Daniels back, we'll be able to contain that side of the line, but perhaps moving Haynesworth over to the edge and allowing Monty and Griffin to stay in the middle will finally shut down that run game.

I think people here really undervalue how important Daniels is to our run defense. Is it any surprise that the games where Barber and Jacobs have really run wild is when he was injured this past season?

[andyburd]

Can we just reflect on this for a moment?

Vinny says DTs are so important for that reason, really?

So why has he always been so off-put about drafting one?

I think Montgomery and Golston were drafted right?

[RedSunday]

im sorry to bring this up but i cant stop thinking of what would have been if sean taylor was in the secondary when qb's are trying to get rid of the ball with a 320 pound beast breathing down their neck. taylor was great without any help of a pass rush.

There is a time and a place and this is nether,just stop.