The official Draft James "Little Animal" Laurinaitis thread!

[skinsfanjoe]

I say trade down a few slots and get this beast to fill the void that Marcus Washington left. Thoughts?


Overall Football Traits
Production 1 Laurinaitis played in 12 games and started in Ohio State's bowl game as a true freshman in 2005. He started all 13 games of the 2006 season and was the Bronko Nagurski Award winner that year. Laurinaitis finished the season with 115 total tackles, 53 solo tackles and five interceptions. He started all 13 games of the 2007 season finishing with 121 total tackles, 51 solo tackles, 8.5 tackles-for-loss and five sacks. Laurinaitis also intercepted two passes and recovered a fumble in 2007
Height-Weight-Speed 3 Laurinaitis has adequate size and room on his frame to get bigger. He also has adequate top-end speed
Durability 1 Laurinaitis has yet to miss time with an injury
Character 2 Laurinaitis has yet to miss time with an injury

Inside Linebacker specific Traits
Instincts/Recognition 1 Shows a strong grasp of blocking schemes and beats offensive linemen to the point of attack. Keeps head up and locates the ball quickly. Reads quarterbacks eyes when drops into zone coverage and does an above-average job of timing breaks on the ball for an inside linebacker. Overaggressive at times and is somewhat vulnerable to play action
Pursuit/Point of Attack 2 Shows excellent lateral mobility when scraping down the line of scrimmage, uses quick feet to avoid blockers while on the move and gets through traffic quickly. While relentless and shows sideline-to-sideline range doesn't always take sound pursuit angles and could have some problems preventing NFL back from turning the corner until improves in this area. Aggressive and quick enough to disrupt running plays in the backfield. Gets under blockers' pads and shows active hands when teams run at him but doesn't show a violent punch and frequently takes too long to shed the block when reached by interior offensive linemen
Tackling 2 Occasionally tries to deliver the big hit rather than wrapping up and takes ball carriers on too high. However, an explosive open field tackler who squares up to the ball carrier and drives legs after making contact.
Pass Coverage 2 Gets adequate depth in drops and shows good burst coming out of backpedal. Covers a lot of ground in zone coverage. Does an adequate job of opening hips and is fast enough to run with most backs in man coverage. Shows good ball skills and can make plays in coverage. Footwork is a bit inconsistent and has some problems recovering when takes the rare false step. Has to work on reading routes and isn't as aggressive in coverage as is defending the run
Pass Rusher 2 Rushes inside out at times making it easier for quarterbacks to break contain. Flashes the ability to slip blockers in the backfield but has yet to develop an arsenal of pass rush moves and struggles to get to the quarterback when initial momentum is stopped by the protection. Times the snap well, shows good closing speed and is relentless
Trait Scale
1 = Exceptional 2 = Above average 3 = Average 4 = Below average 5 = Marginal


http://http://www.sportscornerohio.com/images/laurinaitis.jpg

[portis&taylor]

please.. id rather have rey mau looks like were getting a new backer now that the line is fixed knda

[DieselPwr44]

OOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhh what a rush!!!!!!

[lovellj]

Michael Oher please :)

[zoony]

Paging SkinsFanInTennessee... please pick up the white courtesy phone

[Oldskool]

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We don't have a 2nd rounder to use on Laurinaitis...

[method man]

If we can trade down and get this guy in the late 1st/early 2nd, that would be nice. This guy is a complete football player.

[IbleedBnG83]

Tackle please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tml6157]

Thoughts? He is extremely overrated. If you want a LB then Maualuga is the pick. JL has BIG trouble shedding blocks and doesn't transition as an OLB. Maualuga on the other hand can get after the QB from the outside and has the speed and athleticism to move to OLB for the time being until Fletcher is done. Rey is a very vocal leader and we lack that presence. Id rather go with one of the 4 OTs but with them possibly being gone by #13 then Rey or Orakpo is the choice.

DE - Jason Taylor
DT - Albert Haynesworth
DT - Cornelius Griffin / Anthony Montgomery
DE - Andre Carter

OLB - Rocky McIntosh
MLB - London Fletcher
OLB - Rey Maualuga / Brian Orakpo

CB - DeAngelo Hall
CB - Carlos Rogers
FS - LaRon Landry
SS - Chris Horton

Wow its a HUGE possibility that the above lineup is our starting lineup for D for 2009. That lineup is straight NASTY!!!

[terps'n'skins]

Would be an awful pick.

[McD5]

No one from Ohio State please.

They pad stats against pansies for competition.

[terrifNick21]

Rey Maualuga please!!!

[terps'n'skins]

Maualuga plays ILB, London is already there and Blades will move there once London is gone..Rey lacks elite speed to play the OLB position, imo. Heck of a player, but I don't think he's the answer for OLB.

[Oldskool]

Maualuga plays ILB, London is already there and Blades will move there once London is gone..Rey lacks elite speed to play the OLB position, imo. Heck of a player, but I don't think he's the answer for OLB.

Rey is best suited for a 3-4 ILB, which is where he probably will end up playing the majority of his career.

Anyhow, Laurinaitis is not a great pick as a OLB, especially a SSLB. He is projected to be a ILB in the NFL and is ranked #3 in that slot behind Curry and Rey.

[terrifNick21]

Maualuga plays ILB, London is already there and Blades will move there once London is gone..Rey lacks elite speed to play the OLB position, imo. Heck of a player, but I don't think he's the answer for OLB.

James Harrison ran a 5.25......I'm just sayin.

[terps'n'skins]

James Harrison ran a 5.25......I'm just sayin.

Link?

[Joe Sick]

I hope we don't take this overrated LB. Katzenmoyer part 2? OSU is a joke every year. They get overrated on players and in the polls as well as garnering undeserved bowl bids, like Notre Dame, just because of their huge fan base.

Give up the Rey talk people. He will be way gone by the time we get up at #13. Latest mock had him going at #5.

I am really thinking OT, now that Dock is in the mix...I really wouldn't be that upset if we drafted a WR or even a QB like Sanchez.

[terrifNick21]

Link?

Wrong James Harrison. I apologize. But he did look pretty slow on that INT in the super bowl. :silly:

[onnie007]

NO!!!!!!!!:D

You can't pick guys because of who their fathers were and because you identify with them. The are host of LBs better than Laurinaitis.

[[[ghost]]]

Isn't Laurianitus strictly an MLB?

At least Mauluga is a MLB who is athletic enough to play OLB.

[onnie007]

Michael Oher please :)

Exactly! That is kid is a great talent. Goodbye Jon Jansen, hello Mr. Oher! :)

[LegionOfDoom]

Say no to Bobby Carpenter 2.0

[terps'n'skins]

We could either take a much needed tackle, or draft down some spots and get another pick and take Clay Matthews the OLB from USC. Had a pretty solid combine and would be a good pick up.

[Oldskool]

Say no to Bobby Carpenter 2.0

Hilarious considering your name on the board. :D

[sb_xxvi]

If we draft JL, this is what we'll be getting....

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/sradtke1/brian_bosworth_1.jpg

[diesel22]

Thoughts? He is extremely overrated. If you want a LB then Maualuga is the pick. JL has BIG trouble shedding blocks and doesn't transition as an OLB. Maualuga on the other hand can get after the QB from the outside and has the speed and athleticism to move to OLB for the time being until Fletcher is done. Rey is a very vocal leader and we lack that presence. Id rather go with one of the 4 OTs but with them possibly being gone by #13 then Rey or Orakpo is the choice.


Glad I panned down before I gave my assessment of 33 because you basically said exactly what I would have. The way 33 chicken-fights with blockers is hilarious. He can get away with it against Youngstown State and Mid Ohio Valley Technical college......but is a seriously different story when stacked up against quality O-lines. He is a product of the buckeye hype machine - nothing more - take it from someone who has been exposed to it my whole life. As for Rey, if you could assure me he will have a clean bill of health, I would be all over it. The guy has proven to be a bit injury prone the past yr though. And torn hammys are no minor thing.


No one from Ohio State please.

They pad stats against pansies for competition.

Never mind, guess I already addressed that topic, so.....I agree.:D


Edit}
Anyone trying to compare 33 to the Boz is crazy. At least 44 was a LEGITIMATELY dominant college player. He played in the Big 12, then had out of conference games against teams like Miami......and was a tackling machine!

[sb_xxvi]

I didn't say anything like that. You've got it backwards. I didn't say Boz was a bad college player, or Laurinaitis. I just was saying that JL is going to be a bust like Boz.

[OriginalWhizzinator]

Say no to Bobby Carpenter 2.0
Im thinking the next Andy Katzenmoyer....cant remember the last OSU lb that wasnt a bum...

ReyMa could be a monster, or an OT. Id rather get ReyMa, i think they guy is gonna be a pro-bowl calibur player.

[OriginalWhizzinator]

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[Fear Our D!]

OOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhh what a rush!!!!!!

I get it

[diesel22]

I didn't say anything like that. You've got it backwards. I didn't say Boz was a bad college player, or Laurinaitis. I just was saying that JL is going to be a bust like Boz.


My bad.

For the record you can call 33 a bad college player though (compared to the hype surrounding him at least).

I still don't think 44 was a total bust either -- I think that stereotype is a little carried away. He was stuck on a couple really bad (especially defensively) transitional Seahawk teams with absolutely no one playing in front of him. Ask Ray Lewis how important the D-line is to LBs....
I think they keep running that highlight of Bo Jackson lighting him up on MNF and people just think he was terrible. There is a long line of pro bowl defenders that Bo made look s-i-l-l-y

[Oldskool]

SI...

Hype machine to the nth degree.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

Maualuga plays ILB, London is already there and Blades will move there once London is gone..Rey lacks elite speed to play the OLB position, imo. Heck of a player, but I don't think he's the answer for OLB.


Totally agree......


IMO, when we make our first pick (whether @ 13 or from the trade down), we should pick the best OLB or O-lineman (preferbly Center or Tackle) available at that spot. Whichever player we have rated the highest between the OLBs or O-linemen still available, that's who we should pick.

[chow184]

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We don't have a 2nd rounder to use on Laurinaitis...

truth

[capt1an chaos]

This is the man we take if he is there at #13. Brian Orakpo

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3650227

[PROSCOUT]

If I were the Skins, which I am not, I would send out strong signals that I am going to draft someone at #13. Then on draft day, I would reluctantly trade down, with fake tears in my eyes, and accept someones 3rd round pick.

Then I would draft the best guard available or best center.

If I were the Skins, which I am not, I would never let Jason Taylor play left defensive end ever again. THAT EXPERIMENT DID NOT WORK OUT. Especially when the Giants ran all over him and left footprints on his back.

If I were the Redskins, which I am not, I would replace Marcus Washingon with J.T.

245 Pound linebackers who can rush the passer have a great history in the NFL.

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

Paging SkinsFanInTennessee... please pick up the white courtesy phone

Ok boys and girls. I read this thread on my iPhone, but had to log onto the laptop, because there is going to be too much typing going on here to do it all on the phone.

First of all, ALL OF YOU OSU HATERS!!!!!!!! Come on now, stop with the hating. Ohio State puts out some of the best NFL stars, year after year.

"In fact, OSU is projected to have one of the largest draft classes in 2009."

http://www.nflplayers.com/user/content.aspx?fmid=178&lmid=443&pid=887


I challange anyone to debate me on this. Seriously, you have to look past your hatred of the Big 10 and Ohio State.

By the way, in case you were wondering, there are 47 OSU players currently on active rosters in 2008. Which by the way, is more than USC (42), or Florida (43). Oh yea, they are behind arch rival Michigan (50), but then again, thats just another Big 10 school that pads their players stats by playing pansies. Right???

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_NCAA_school_has_produced_the_most_NFL_player s

How many of you all, who dogged James in this thread, have actually watched him play, besides the two National Champ losses??? I doubt most of you have seen him play much. This guy is a monster. While now, I do think we draft RT in the first round, this guy is going to be a stud. Do anyone of you remember a guy named Mike Vrabel??? In case the name sounds familiar, the term "Look at those rings" comes to mind. While yes, I will admit the Big Kat was a bust, Ohio State consistantly puts out great talent.

And as far as you all saying they play pansies and pad their stats, while James was at OSU..they did play Texas and USC out of conference. How many ACC teams, or SEC teams travel to the West Coast to play out of conference??

No matter the outcome of those games, he never takes a play off, and gives 110%, theres no doubt about that. Whatever team happens to draft James, is getting one hell of animal. A guy with great instincts. Just hate to see a lot of you all eating crow in a year or two.

But then, I guess if I were you all, I would be jealous of one of the best collegiate programs in the country. I can see how easy it can be, to be green with evny. :D

[skinsfanjoe]

Ok boys and girls. I read this thread on my iPhone, but had to log onto the laptop, because there is going to be too much typing going on here to do it all on the phone.

First of all, ALL OF YOU OSU HATERS!!!!!!!! Come on now, stop with the hating. Ohio State puts out some of the best NFL stars, year after year.

"In fact, OSU is projected to have one of the largest draft classes in 2009."

http://www.nflplayers.com/user/content.aspx?fmid=178&lmid=443&pid=887


I challange anyone to debate me on this. Seriously, you have to look past your hatred of the Big 10 and Ohio State. Exactly. Thank u. And for the tool that said he couldn't remember the last osu lb that was good. How bout AJ hawk?

By the way, in case you were wondering, there are 47 OSU players currently on active rosters in 2008. Which by the way, is more than USC (42), or Florida (43). Oh yea, they are behind arch rival Michigan (50), but then again, thats just another Big 10 school that pads their players stats by playing pansies. Right???

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_NCAA_school_has_produced_the_most_NFL_player s

How many of you all, who dogged James in this thread, have actually watched him play, besides the two National Champ losses??? I doubt most of you have seen him play much. This guy is a monster. While now, I do think we draft RT in the first round, this guy is going to be a stud. Do anyone of you remember a guy named Mike Vrabel??? In case the name sounds familiar, the term "Look at those rings" comes to mind. While yes, I will admit the Big Kat was a bust, Ohio State consistantly puts out great talent.

And as far as you all saying they play pansies and pad their stats, while James was at OSU..they did play Texas and USC out of conference. How many ACC teams, or SEC teams travel to the West Coast to play out of conference??

No matter the outcome of those games, he never takes a play off, and gives 110%, theres no doubt about that. Whatever team happens to draft James, is getting one hell of animal. A guy with great instincts. Just hate to see a lot of you all eating crow in a year or two.

But then, I guess if I were you all, I would be jealous of one of the best collegiate programs in the country. I can see how easy it can be, to be green with evny. :D

[Mercuryrising]

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We don't have a 2nd rounder to use on Laurinaitis...

Besides, I understand that they test for roids in the NFL...

[Mercuryrising]

Wrong James Harrison. I apologize. But he did look pretty slow on that INT in the super bowl. :silly:

outside LB's in the 3-4 can be bigger and slower than their 4-3 counterparts since they have less area to cover (having 4 of them spread across the field instead of 3).

[blindlywewander]

If I were the Skins, which I am not, I would send out strong signals that I am going to draft someone at #13. Then on draft day, I would reluctantly trade down, with fake tears in my eyes, and accept someones 3rd round pick.

Then I would draft the best guard available or best center.

If I were the Skins, which I am not, I would never let Jason Taylor play left defensive end ever again. THAT EXPERIMENT DID NOT WORK OUT. Especially when the Giants ran all over him and left footprints on his back.

If I were the Redskins, which I am not, I would replace Marcus Washingon with J.T.

245 Pound linebackers who can rush the passer have a great history in the NFL.

i'm really glad you're not the Skins. JT was hurt. You can't have an experiment without a real subject. He might work at LB, but how do you know that experiment will work?

i think rey mauluga should be our pick so we could have a hybrid 3-4. let the d choose whether mauluga or JT rushes as the 4th man, maybe?

[Mercuryrising]

Say no to Bobby Carpenter 2.0
I think that is Cush.... He's got the mullett and meathead attitude and makes Carpenter look extreemly athletic. But yeah, JL will be a bust or a role=player... IMO.

[Mercuryrising]

Im thinking the next Andy Katzenmoyer....cant remember the last OSU lb that wasnt a bum...

ReyMa could be a monster, or an OT. Id rather get ReyMa, i think they guy is gonna be a pro-bowl calibur player.

Exactly! JL is Katznemoyer!
Cush is BOZ/ Carpenter!

Mathews will be the real deal.

[SkinSince87]

how about a trade up and get Aaron Curry....sarcasm

[illone]

Great idea:doh:

The Skins need OLB, not ILB. I'd rather they trade up for Curry than waste a draft pick on Laurenitis.

Quick name the last decent linebacker from OSU....

[HighOnHendrix]

No one from Ohio State please.

They pad stats against pansies for competition.

Pretty much everybody does that. Guess they were padding their stats when they went to SoCal to play the Trojans. Oh, wait... Probably has a lot more to do with the other elite teams not wanting to play them in the regular season (because the Buckeyes are nasty then) when they can potentially play them in a bowl game (where their recent record is not good) after OSU has had an extra month to get rusty.


Say no to Bobby Carpenter 2.0


Im thinking the next Andy Katzenmoyer....cant remember the last OSU lb that wasnt a bum...

ReyMa could be a monster, or an OT. Id rather get ReyMa, i think they guy is gonna be a pro-bowl calibur player.

You guys remember Bobby Carpenter, but conveniently leave out A.J. Hawk? Carpenter was Robin to Hawk's Batman. Hawk had 100+ tackles his first two years in the league. Laurinaitis is more Hawk than Carpenter or Katzenmoyer. For the record, Katzenmoyer never had a chance to prove whether he was a good player or a bust. He hurt his neck and had to have surgery on it his first year.

Say what you want about OSU choking in bowl games, over-rated, hype, whatever, blah, blah, blah. But don't say that OSU doesn't turn out good pros. If you say that, you are wrong. They are on par with the U and USC in putting NFL ready players into the league. A sampling:

Robert Smith - RB
Shawn Springs - CB
Will Allen - DE
LeCharles Bentley - C
Jim Marshall - DE
Santonio Holmes - WR
Antoine Winfield - CB
Orlando Pace - T
A.J. Hawk - LB
Joey Galloway - WR
Mike Doss - SS
Anthony Gonzalez - WR
Cris Carter - WR
Lou Groza - K
Nate Clements - CB
Paul Warfield - WR
Tom Tupa - P
Chris Spielman - LB
Jack Tatum - S
Nick Mangold - C
Korey Stringer - T
Randy Gradishar - LB
And our own Jim Lachey - T

Those are just some off the top of my head, I'm sure there are a boatload more that I'm forgetting. Dismissing JL just because he's from OSU and the current follow-the-crowd opinion is that OSU is over-rated and therefore JL will be a bust is laughable. Myself, I'd way rather have one of those top 4 tackles fall to us at 13 or to trade back and take JL or a different OL. Eben Britton, maybe.

[HighOnHendrix]

Great idea:doh:

The Skins need OLB, not ILB. I'd rather they trade up for Curry than waste a draft pick on Laurenitis.

Quick name the last decent linebacker from OSU....

A.J. Hawk

If we could trade up, we would be taking OT, not LB. Not that we are in a good position to trade up, but anyway...

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Laurinaitis is nothing special and not worthy of a 1st rd grade. Waste of a pick considering our needs. Draft O-linemen, lot's of em.

[HighOnHendrix]

Laurinaitis is nothing special and not worthy of a 1st rd grade.

Which is why things like the below are being said:


If we can trade down and get this guy in the late 1st/early 2nd, that would be nice. This guy is a complete football player.

[Grinder]

This only works if we trade for AJ Hawk as well.

Its the full Legion of Doom or nothing...

[Shore-skin]

I would honestly rather have Clay Matthews than Laurinaitis.

[SkinsTerps26]

http://static.flickr.com/106/306220971_52160ae780_o.jpg

[ohioskins]

Ok boys and girls. I read this thread on my iPhone, but had to log onto the laptop, because there is going to be too much typing going on here to do it all on the phone.

First of all, ALL OF YOU OSU HATERS!!!!!!!! Come on now, stop with the hating. Ohio State puts out some of the best NFL stars, year after year.

"In fact, OSU is projected to have one of the largest draft classes in 2009."

http://www.nflplayers.com/user/content.aspx?fmid=178&lmid=443&pid=887


I challange anyone to debate me on this. Seriously, you have to look past your hatred of the Big 10 and Ohio State.

By the way, in case you were wondering, there are 47 OSU players currently on active rosters in 2008. Which by the way, is more than USC (42), or Florida (43). Oh yea, they are behind arch rival Michigan (50), but then again, thats just another Big 10 school that pads their players stats by playing pansies. Right???

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_NCAA_school_has_produced_the_most_NFL_player s

How many of you all, who dogged James in this thread, have actually watched him play, besides the two National Champ losses??? I doubt most of you have seen him play much. This guy is a monster. While now, I do think we draft RT in the first round, this guy is going to be a stud. Do anyone of you remember a guy named Mike Vrabel??? In case the name sounds familiar, the term "Look at those rings" comes to mind. While yes, I will admit the Big Kat was a bust, Ohio State consistantly puts out great talent.

And as far as you all saying they play pansies and pad their stats, while James was at OSU..they did play Texas and USC out of conference. How many ACC teams, or SEC teams travel to the West Coast to play out of conference??

No matter the outcome of those games, he never takes a play off, and gives 110%, theres no doubt about that. Whatever team happens to draft James, is getting one hell of animal. A guy with great instincts. Just hate to see a lot of you all eating crow in a year or two.

But then, I guess if I were you all, I would be jealous of one of the best collegiate programs in the country. I can see how easy it can be, to be green with evny. :D

Exactly... Better yet all the haters can slam Katzenmoyer all they want. He came out young and got hurt (neck I believe) and wasn't ready. He was a workout freak a.k.a. Bozz, He relied on having more talant than the other players.

JL can run with tight ends and backs out of the backfield as well as Washington could. He can also make the big hit and get presure on the QB. Body style he is more like a Urlacher, and I think he would be a great cover 2 linebacker.

That said, I don't want JL either. My pick would be Michael Oher at this point. Unless we trade down to say 20th area and pick up a second. Even then I am a big fatty lover, but at 20 I would have to say Clay Matthews.

[McD5]

I feel bad for any little 10 fans, specifically fans of Ohio State.

You people watch that crap all season, get your hopes up as you go undefeated against pansies, then cry the second you play a real team--and sit in a state of shock.


That football sucks.

That football program sucks.

Troy Smith? Yeah, he was the best player in college.:hysterical:

What a total joke!


Then you go to bowl games, and get completely embarrassed against real teams. What is the stat? Ohio State has lost 9 in a row against SEC teams in the bowls?

0-9

And for all of this, "Well, we played USC and Texas twice in the last 20 years. Those are real teams" total bs, I have a newsflash for you:


Texas sucks. They had one good team in 40 years. Aside from Vince Young, they haven't been decent in four decades. Give it a break.

And USC? Who the hell does USC play? UCLA? Are you kidding me? They too, play pansies.


We don't want anyone from Ohio State. Nobody wants anyone from Ohio State. You can't trust one thing that happens there, because they play no one. And Michigan is supposed to be their big game?

Bonus newsflash, free of charge: Michigan sucks too!


You people please do everyone else a favor, and keep that crap football to yourselves. No one else wants to watch it, and no one else wants to see any of those losers on the Redskins.

Oh, and good luck against Purdue this season. That should be a real barn-burner!:hysterical:

Do they actually charge money for those tickets?

[zoony]

"In fact, OSU is projected to have one of the largest draft classes in 2009."

http://www.nflplayers.com/user/content.aspx?fmid=178&lmid=443&pid=887


I challange anyone to debate me on this. Seriously, you have to look past your hatred of the Big 10 and Ohio State.

By the way, in case you were wondering, there are 47 OSU players currently on active rosters in 2008. Which by the way, is more than USC (42), or Florida (43). Oh yea, they are behind arch rival Michigan (50), but then again, thats just another Big 10 school that pads their players stats by playing pansies. Right???

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_NCAA_school_has_produced_the_most_NFL_player s



:coach:

[ohioskins]

I feel bad for any little 10 fans, specifically fans of Ohio State.

You people watch that crap all season, get your hopes up as you go undefeated against pansies, then cry the second you play a real team--and sit in a state of shock.


That football sucks.

That football program sucks.

Troy Smith? Yeah, he was the best player in college.:hysterical:

What a total joke!


Then you go to bowl games, and get completely embarrassed against real teams. What is the stat? Ohio State has lost 9 in a row against SEC teams in the bowls?

0-9

And for all of this, "Well, we played USC and Texas twice in the last 20 years. Those are real teams" total bs, I have a newsflash for you:


Texas sucks. They had one good team in 40 years. Aside from Vince Young, they haven't been decent in four decades. Give it a break.

And USC? Who the hell does USC play? UCLA? Are you kidding me? They too, play pansies.


We don't want anyone from Ohio State. Nobody wants anyone from Ohio State. You can't trust one thing that happens there, because they play no one. And Michigan is supposed to be their big game?

Bonus newsflash, free of charge: Michigan sucks too!


You people please do everyone else a favor, and keep that crap football to yourselves. No one else wants to watch it, and no one else wants to see any of those losers on the Redskins.

Oh, and good luck against Purdue this season. That should be a real barn-burner!:hysterical:

Do they actually charge money for those tickets?


Let me guess... Your an SEC fan right? This year was your favorite team Florida, I bet last year your favorite team was LSU, who's next Tennesee, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, no Florida or LSU again. Yeah the SEC is a great league, but year in and year out I would take my team. Or are you one of those guys that just can't stand someone because they actually are good.

Like it or not OSU is a top ten team every year. No they are not the best team every year, but they are consistantly a top ten team. They are one of the elite programs in the nation and they constantly produce NFL talent.

[SkinsTerps26]

McD5 is stupid as ****.

The longhorns have won 10+ games for 8 seasons now under Mack Brown. And he's 155-26 since he got hired.

This bozo doesn't know anything.

[skinsfanjoe]

Great idea:doh:

The Skins need OLB, not ILB. I'd rather they trade up for Curry than waste a draft pick on Laurenitis.

Quick name the last decent linebacker from OSU....

AJ Hawk.

[skinsfanjoe]

There is some serious HATING going on in this thread.

One big thing that really stands out about James is that he would have been a top 10 pick last year had he come out but he said he talked to AJ Hawk and his dad and he prayed about it and decided that leaving a legacy at OSU was more important than a payday. This guy is a very high character person, a leader, and is always around the ball. You mark my words, he will play a long time in the NFL at a very high level and if he could be had in the mid to late first round and we can pick up an extra pick in the process I would consider our FO genius for pulling it off.

[NattyLight]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/vlad3060/emoticons/secret.gif

We don't have a 2nd rounder to use on Laurinaitis...

Agreed. He would have been a mid-first rounder last year, but his stock dropped as far as I can tell. Get a stud OL / DE/OLB like everyone's touting here and I don't think anyone would complain.

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

I thought this thread was supposed to be about drafting #33, and not debating Ohio State vs the SEC, or Ohio State vs the rest of the NCAA. There are plenty of other threads debating that issue here on ES. But I feel compelled to offer a few counter points.


You people watch that crap all season, get your hopes up as you go undefeated against pansies, then cry the second you play a real team--and sit in a state of shock.

All I have to say is, See National Championship game in 2002 against Miami, but yea your right, another pansy. :doh:


That football sucks.

Michigan Wolverines- 865
Notre Dame Fighting Irish-822
Texas Longhorns- 816
Nebraska- 807
Ohio State Buckeyes-794

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_NCAA_football_teams_have_the_most_wins

You'll notice, two of the teams you say suck are both on that list as well, Texas and Michigan.


Then you go to bowl games, and get completely embarrassed against real teams. What is the stat? Ohio State has lost 9 in a row against SEC teams in the bowls?

This is the standard argument for any Ohio State hater. Let's keep in mind that before these bowl games are played, Ohio State plays their last game the third Saturday in November. Unlike the teams who play 2 weeks later, in the first weekend in December. Two extra weeks is a long time when you are talking about getting rusty. And don't blame OSU for that. Blame the conference for sticking to its history and tradition. Something that can't be said for a lot of the other conferences that come crawling on their knees when corporations come calling with the almighty dollar.

Secondly, lets not over look where the good majority of the bowl games are played. When Ohio State played LSU in the National Championship game, they played in the superdome, in New Orleans. (See home field advantage). Most of the bowl games are played in Florida, or at least in the south. Where gee, isnt that SEC country. I say we create a new bowl game, up North in January, say Columbus? Or Ann Arbor? How do you think SEC teams would fare then?


Nobody wants anyone from Ohio State.

Ohio State
Will Allen (26) Tampa Bay Buccaneers FS
Kirk Barton (70) Cincinnati Bengals T
Kirk Barton Chicago Bears OT
Bobby Carpenter (54) Dallas Cowboys LB
Drew Carter (18) Oakland Raiders WR
Nate Clements (22) San Francisco 49ers CB
Doug Datish Tennessee Titans C
Na'il Diggs (53) Carolina Panthers OLB
Mike Doss (44) Cincinnati Bengals DB
Dustin Fox (35) Buffalo Bills DB
Simon Fraser (75) Atlanta Falcons DE
Joey Galloway (84) Tampa Bay Buccaneers WR
Chris Gamble (20) Carolina Panthers CB
Vernon Gholston (56) New York Jets LB
Ted Ginn Jr. (19) Miami Dolphins WR
Anthony Gonzalez (11) Indianapolis Colts WR
Larry Grant (59) St. Louis Rams OLB
Marcus Green New Orleans Saints DT
Roy Hall (83) Indianapolis Colts WR
Ben Hartsock (89) Atlanta Falcons TE
A.J. Hawk (50) Green Bay Packers OLB
Santonio Holmes (10) Pittsburgh Steelers WR
Kevin Houser (47) New Orleans Saints LS
Michael Jenkins (12) Atlanta Falcons WR
Nick Mangold (74) New York Jets C
Donnie Nickey (23) Tennessee Titans DB
Mike Nugent (1) New York Jets K
Orlando Pace (76) St. Louis Rams T
Kenny Peterson (90) Denver Broncos DT
Ryan Pickett (79) Green Bay Packers DT
Quinn Pitcock (97) Indianapolis Colts DT
Antonio Pittman (30) St. Louis Rams RB
Jay Richardson (98) Oakland Raiders DE
Nate Salley (25) Carolina Panthers DB
Rob Sims (67) Seattle Seahawks G
Troy Smith (10) Baltimore Ravens QB
Will Smith (91) New Orleans Saints DE
Shawn Springs (24) Washington Redskins CB
Alex Stepanovich (69) Atlanta Falcons C
Mike Vrabel (50) New England Patriots OLB
Donte Whitner (20) Buffalo Bills SS
Matt Wilhelm (57) San Diego Chargers ILB
Antoine Winfield (26) Minnesota Vikings CB
Ashton Youboty (26) Buffalo Bills CB


But yea your right, no body wants them. My bad.....


Oh, and good luck against Purdue this season. That should be a real barn-burner!

Funny how no one remembers that Penn State was a top 5 team last year too. You know what kills me is the standard Big 10 vs SEC argument. Goes something like this...

"The Big 10 just has 1 or 2 teams every year, that just pads its stats by beating lesser teams."

Yet when the SEC is in a down year, you don't hear the same argument, you hear...

"This just shows how strong and deep the SEC is. What great depth we have, where all the teams are that good."

Typical SEC crap. Let's not mention GA, until this year when they traveled to Arizona St, the furthest they had traveled in 5 years to play an out of conference game, was reachable by a bus, not a plane. And really, do you want me to post Florida's out of conference teams for the past 5 years?? Talk about padding stats.

Seriously though, bottom line, you can't say that Ohio State's football sucks, or that their program sucks, or that their players suck and nobody wants them. I have shown you a few stats that dispute that. Where are your stats? I forgot, you don't have any, you just have your OSU hater hat on, and your opinion, frankly, I find laughable.

[Kilmer]

marcus freeman

[capt1an chaos]

OK who's coming with me?

http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/brian-orakpo-is-strong.jpg

[jflow78]

I have no hate against the Big 10, I just think they're the most over-rated conferences in college football. I like Rey Mauluga, but hasn't he been injured 3 times this year? He plays ILB, but at the combine scouts said they were suprised at how quickly he covered the field, so speed isn't an issue for me, its his injury history I'm worried about.

I doubt Orakpo is there, Rey might be gone, the only tackle I see being there is Oher, so I hope we trade down. After all our best pick from the last draft was a guy from the 7th. It can't hurt to have more picks.

[Oldskool]

OK who's coming with me?

http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/brian-orakpo-is-strong.jpg[/IMG]

This has now become the "post pictures/stats of your mancrush that we won't draft anyhow" thread. :evilg:

[capt1an chaos]

This has now become the "post pictures/stats of your mancrush that we won't draft anyhow" thread. :evilg:

I forgot to post his stats hold on....
http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/orakpo_brian00.html :saber:

[The Mountain Mama]

SkinsFanInTennessee makes some good points to that side argument but on James Laurinaitis I'd pass. I just dont think he gonna be that great in the Pros compared to some other linebackers. I think Maybin could honestly become a much better LB then JL. I just see a huge dropoff in talent after Curry and Cushing and if not trading back or going for a lineman I would rather go Vontae Davis over JL, assuming hes still there. I just think JL is one of those player who hits their peak in college and doesnt progress much more in the pros.

[Joespn]

Lauranitis plays in the Big 10, the Big 10 sucks. Ray Mau will be a much better pro than Lauranitis. I would much rather draft Ray Mau over Lauranitis

[skinsfanjoe]

Lauranitis plays in the Big 10, the Big 10 sucks. Ray Mau will be a much better pro than Lauranitis. I would much rather draft Ray Mau over Lauranitis

:doh: So all Big Ten players should be avoided because they "Suck". Got it. This is a great opportunity to use some seldom used smilies.

:shutup::stop::shhh::shot::jerk::nono::rant::whip: :loser::nutkick::laythehur:wtf::moon:

[OriginalWhizzinator]

Pretty much everybody does that. Guess they were padding their stats when they went to SoCal to play the Trojans. Oh, wait... Probably has a lot more to do with the other elite teams not wanting to play them in the regular season (because the Buckeyes are nasty then) when they can potentially play them in a bowl game (where their recent record is not good) after OSU has had an extra month to get rusty.


You guys remember Bobby Carpenter, but conveniently leave out A.J. Hawk? Carpenter was Robin to Hawk's Batman. Hawk had 100+ tackles his first two years in the league. Laurinaitis is more Hawk than Carpenter or Katzenmoyer. For the record, Katzenmoyer never had a chance to prove whether he was a good player or a bust. He hurt his neck and had to have surgery on it his first year.
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Hawk was a top 5 pick, hes been a major disappointment. Any starting MLB gets 100 tackles...if GB could go back im sure they'd MUCH rather have taken Demeco Ryans as a LB, there were a ton of better players on the board at that point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NFL_Draft

[bu7ch]

If we can schedule Troy St and Akron every year he would dominate!

[ohioskins]

If we can schedule Troy St and Akron every year he would dominate!

It's Younstown State and Toledo.....gees...idiot....

Oh by the way maybe we could have scheduled Central Florida, South Florida, Florida International , Florida Academy of Cuban Refugees, and my favorite Florida University of Culinary Kids, better known as the ****s, ofcourse then Stupider and the great Florida offense would have worked here.

If we needed a fast middle Linbacker I would say to take him, but we don't.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Lauranitis plays in the Big 10, the Big 10 sucks. Ray Mau will be a much better pro than Lauranitis. I would much rather draft Ray Mau over Lauranitis

I don't like OSU linebackers, but that's a far cry from saying stupid things like the Big 10 sucks.

If you look at the guys who made big impacts in the SB and playoffs, you're looking mainly at Midwest footballers (like Big Ben, Kurt Warner, LaMarr Woodley, Santonio Holmes, Larry Fitzgerald, etc.)

Then you have guys from the weaker Eastern and Western conferences.

The SEC, in spite of all the hype, is overrated as a football factory. Though the warm weather is often synonymous with passing, they are less likely to churn out quality QBs (and when they do get a Cutler it's out of Vandy, not the trad. SEC powers) and wideouts. For some reason, the Big 10, Big 12 and Big East/ACC are where you'd want to go to get your premier, all-time wideouts.

And don't even get started on offensive linemen. Though I don't know how RichRod will change Michigan's history of NFL offensive linemen (high quality ones.)

Each conference has certain weaknesses, generally, though those change over time also but you're drafting players not conferences and the bowl system favors southern and pacific teams but putting aside last year (cuz I don't remember all the results) the Big 10 has had a winning record against the SEC in bowl games over the last several years. This includes the #whatever beating the #whatever further down the line in a lesser bowl game.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

It's Younstown State and Toledo.....gees...idiot....

If we needed a fast middle Linbacker I would say to take him, but we don't.

Didn't Jason Taylor, hall of famer (will be,) play at Akron?
Didn't Big Ben come out of Miami(OH)?

What I also find kind of funny about the SEC-boosters is that some of the best talent from the south played at the U of Miami, which is not an SEC school. Sure, they fought with Florida and FSU for Florida talent but that's ONE STATE that skews their perception of the entire south and SEC.

And I'll be the first to laugh at OSU for losing all these contests but the Big 10 schools have a natural handicap coming to the South or West to play southern or western teams that played another game or TWO before the Bowl contest.

These conferences go up and down and even when the Big 10 was winning most of its games against the SEC, these clowns still mouthed off like no good football players attended a school outside of the SEC.

[deejaydana]

Rey from USC will be far better in the NFL imho.

[OriginalWhizzinator]

And I'll be the first to laugh at OSU for losing all these contests but the Big 10 schools have a natural handicap coming to the South or West to play southern or western teams that played another game or TWO before the Bowl contest.

big 10 teams have no one to blame but themselves, as far as a "natural handicap" of being rusty. They have the ability to create a championship game. The geography aspect is a joke, each team gets an equal alottment of tickets. The Pac10 doesnt have a championship game either, but SC doesnt need this excuse.

Im not a SEC homer, but i dont like OSU as theyve ruined several big games recently by folding shop. And I dont necessarily think they field terrible teams or have terrible talent, but they are routinely over rated...and that is problematic given the format of college footballs postseason.

[RonArtest15]

I don't know if this nugget was brought up:


But agents have worked so hard to make their players presentable that teams now have to do things to get players out of their comfort zones. This year, I heard more and more stories about teams challenging players instead of simply interviewing them or exchanging niceties.

My favorite story involved a defensive coach for one team asking Ohio State linebacker James Laurinaitis why they should pick him. "Tell me something,'' the coach said. "When is the last time a linebacker from Ohio State came to the NFL and was worth a s---?'' That shook the Buckeye out of whatever confident zone he might have entered the room in.

Come to think of it, he makes a good point. A.J. Hawk has been OK, but nothing spectacular, and he followed the likes of Bobby Carpenter and Andy Katzenmoyer.

http://sportsillustrated....er_king/02/22/mmqb/1.html

[bikie]

definite pass.... since the guy graduated and skipped the senior bowl, I've heard not a single positive about him..

[tml6157]

Ohio State
Will Allen (26) Tampa Bay Buccaneers FS
Kirk Barton (70) Cincinnati Bengals T
Kirk Barton Chicago Bears OT
Bobby Carpenter (54) Dallas Cowboys LB
Drew Carter (18) Oakland Raiders WR
Nate Clements (22) San Francisco 49ers CB
Doug Datish Tennessee Titans C
Na'il Diggs (53) Carolina Panthers OLB
Mike Doss (44) Cincinnati Bengals DB
Dustin Fox (35) Buffalo Bills DB
Simon Fraser (75) Atlanta Falcons DE
Joey Galloway (84) Tampa Bay Buccaneers WR
Chris Gamble (20) Carolina Panthers CB
Vernon Gholston (56) New York Jets LB
Ted Ginn Jr. (19) Miami Dolphins WR
Anthony Gonzalez (11) Indianapolis Colts WR
Larry Grant (59) St. Louis Rams OLB
Marcus Green New Orleans Saints DT
Roy Hall (83) Indianapolis Colts WR
Ben Hartsock (89) Atlanta Falcons TE
A.J. Hawk (50) Green Bay Packers OLB
Santonio Holmes (10) Pittsburgh Steelers WR
Kevin Houser (47) New Orleans Saints LS
Michael Jenkins (12) Atlanta Falcons WR
Nick Mangold (74) New York Jets C
Donnie Nickey (23) Tennessee Titans DB
Mike Nugent (1) New York Jets K
Orlando Pace (76) St. Louis Rams T
Kenny Peterson (90) Denver Broncos DT
Ryan Pickett (79) Green Bay Packers DT
Quinn Pitcock (97) Indianapolis Colts DT
Antonio Pittman (30) St. Louis Rams RB
Jay Richardson (98) Oakland Raiders DE
Nate Salley (25) Carolina Panthers DB
Rob Sims (67) Seattle Seahawks G
Troy Smith (10) Baltimore Ravens QB
Will Smith (91) New Orleans Saints DE
Shawn Springs (24) Washington Redskins CB
Alex Stepanovich (69) Atlanta Falcons C
Mike Vrabel (50) New England Patriots OLB
Donte Whitner (20) Buffalo Bills SS
Matt Wilhelm (57) San Diego Chargers ILB
Antoine Winfield (26) Minnesota Vikings CB
Ashton Youboty (26) Buffalo Bills CB


I would only take 3 maybe 4 of those guys max

[bu7ch]

It's Younstown State and Toledo.....gees...idiot....

Oh by the way maybe we could have scheduled Central Florida, South Florida, Florida International , Florida Academy of Cuban Refugees, and my favorite Florida University of Culinary Kids, better known as the ****s, ofcourse then Stupider and the great Florida offense would have worked here.

If we needed a fast middle Linbacker I would say to take him, but we don't.

LMAO all you Bucks fans are so sensitive. Heaven forbid someone actually point out that they play weak OOC schedules. All I hear (in Cincy too) is Bucks fans cry that someone says they suck. They played Akron last year btw...sorry if I messed up the year that they played a small Ohio school (they backed out of the Cincy game :hysterical:)

[diesel22]

It's Younstown State and Toledo.....gees...idiot....

Oh by the way maybe we could have scheduled Central Florida, South Florida, Florida International , Florida Academy of Cuban Refugees, and my favorite Florida University of Culinary Kids, better known as the ****s, ofcourse then Stupider and the great Florida offense would have worked here.

If we needed a fast middle Linbacker I would say to take him, but we don't.

That Florida offense looked pretty good in the National Championship game, didnt it? Living in the state of Ohio my whole life, people wonder why I hate osu. It;s simple....their football program hasn't been respectable (in terms of character) since Earl Bruce was fired. It's funny osu fans bring up the Florida teams because they have strived for decadesd to operate just like them. Go watch "The Program" and you will get a pretty good idea of how it has been at osu for a long, long time. A friend of mine had a Freshman class with katzenmoyer and hung out with him and Damon Moore quite a bit. He said katz showed up for class a total of 3 times the entire quarter...each time he had headphones in and refused to respond when the prof tried to talk to him. In the spring he told my friend he got a B in the class. Remember Damon Moore? Letting him take sex ed in the summer (literally show you how to put a condom on a banana) in order to be eligible? And supposedly Tressel is class? This was all gonna change with his guys? Look how he treated Clarrett. Worked a deal to get him an SUV, got him a $30/hr summer job he didn't have to show up to.....and he NEVER went to class (yet somehow remained eligible. Then, when he had no use for 13, and he needed help the most, "Mr Class" Tressel acted like he didnt know him. Nothings changed. I don't even have time - nor the energy - to make a complete list as to why the school - and the vast majority of its fans - are an embarrassment to college football. How's Alex Boone doing? Around here people still consider him a top NFL prospect.....the NFL is just biased against him :doh::doh:.

Leave you with this.....I was in Columbus for the "Game of the century" when U of M and osu were both undefeated. Colin Cowherd was doing a remote the day before at Eddie George's grill. While I was waiting in line to get in, they announced the passing of Bo Schembechler. About 1/3 of the crowd cheered. Seriously. I heard multiple jokes about "at least now he doesn't have to watch them lose tomorrow" and "Bo's heart couldn't take facing 'the animal' ". For all of you around DC, that is all you need to know about osu fans. I have lived with them my whole life and they are simply unbelievable. Oh yea, the day of the game, my cousin had a picture of Bo and Woody together before a game in the 70's (as a trype of memorial). osu fans spit on him and tore the picture. I have dozens of these stories but I have things to do so there ya go.

[Koala]

Im thinking the next Andy Katzenmoyer....cant remember the last OSU lb that wasnt a bum...

A.J. Hawk? Mike Vrabel?

[diesel22]

A.J. Hawk? Mike Vrabel?

Vrabel is one of the (extremely) rare character guys who came out of columbus -- I respect him. Having said that, he was very fortunate to get to play in New England for BB....early in his career he got exposed (in Pitt) but BB is a master at putting people in roles they are likely to succeed.

As for Hawk, also vastly overrated. Wasn't even the best young LB on that roster until Hodge went down. Decent range but can't get off a block to save his life. Bust out some film and look at how many times he is taken out of a play by a TE. Hell, in one of the Chicago games last season Olsen took him out and he isn't even a blocking TE

[HighOnHendrix]

I would only take 3 maybe 4 of those guys max

I just knew somebody would say something mentally deficient like that.

[tml6157]

I just knew somebody would say something mentally deficient like that.

Why because it hurts your argument or your feelings which one is it?

AJ Hawk
Santonio Holmes
Nick Mangold

They are the only ones who would be an upgrade or fit a need for us. Other then that the rest are no better then what we have. No one on that list is an elite player.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

No Ohio State guys. Please. James is not a #13 pick.

[95southskinsfan]

1. Andre Smith LT Alambama
2. James Laurinaitis LB Ohio State Via Trade
3. Dorell Scott DT Clemson
5. Alex Boone OT Ohio State / Garrett Reynolds North Carolina
5. Devin Moore RB Wyoming
6. Brandon Swain DE West Texas A&M

[Oldskool]

2. James Laurinaitis LB Ohio State Via Trade


Laurinaitis is a ILB, and we need a strong side OLB. Kid is too small and can't shed blockers to accomplish that role.

The OP simply fails to recognize this.

[moondog]

I'm against this all the way. He's too small and imo not a difference maker. He makes a lot of tackles but imo will never really alter the game or make that big of plays in the NFL. I'll give him the fact that he seems to usually be around the ball, but I don't see him being able to handle guys like Brandon Jacobs or Marion Barber, let alone the MASSIVE o-linemen in our division. It's nothing against him, hell I LIVE IN BUCKEYE COUNTRY - but I would be really disappointed if we drafted him.

It was said in an nfl.com article that one of the GM's interviewing him directly asked him, "When the hell was the last time a linebacker from OSU did anything in the NFL?" Frankly, I agree.

[moondog]

1. Andre Smith LT Alambama
2. James Laurinaitis LB Ohio State Via Trade
3. Dorell Scott DT Clemson
5. Alex Boone OT Ohio State / Garrett Reynolds North Carolina
5. Devin Moore RB Wyoming
6. Brandon Swain DE West Texas A&M

Alex Boone is a God-awful OT that is another overrated Buckeye tackle. They haven't had a dominant tackle in quite some time and simply try to masquerade a lineman or two every year. Imo the last good lineman they had was Mangold, and he was interior, it's been quite some time since they've had a good tackle that produced in the league.

If you want evidence, watch the Texas vs. OSU game. Orakpo got the the QB early at will and then Boone held him the rest of the game and was never flagged for it. Orakpo is hyped, but consider Boone against the likes of Umenyiora, Ware, Cole, Tuck, etc. Right or left side, I think he's about as quick as Jansen...that won't cut it.

[ohioskins]

That Florida offense looked pretty good in the National Championship game, didnt it? Living in the state of Ohio my whole life, people wonder why I hate osu. It;s simple....their football program hasn't been respectable (in terms of character) since Earl Bruce was fired. It's funny osu fans bring up the Florida teams because they have strived for decadesd to operate just like them. Go watch "The Program" and you will get a pretty good idea of how it has been at osu for a long, long time. A friend of mine had a Freshman class with katzenmoyer and hung out with him and Damon Moore quite a bit. He said katz showed up for class a total of 3 times the entire quarter...each time he had headphones in and refused to respond when the prof tried to talk to him. In the spring he told my friend he got a B in the class. Remember Damon Moore? Letting him take sex ed in the summer (literally show you how to put a condom on a banana) in order to be eligible? And supposedly Tressel is class? This was all gonna change with his guys? Look how he treated Clarrett. Worked a deal to get him an SUV, got him a $30/hr summer job he didn't have to show up to.....and he NEVER went to class (yet somehow remained eligible. Then, when he had no use for 13, and he needed help the most, "Mr Class" Tressel acted like he didnt know him. Nothings changed. I don't even have time - nor the energy - to make a complete list as to why the school - and the vast majority of its fans - are an embarrassment to college football. How's Alex Boone doing? Around here people still consider him a top NFL prospect.....the NFL is just biased against him :doh::doh:.

Leave you with this.....I was in Columbus for the "Game of the century" when U of M and osu were both undefeated. Colin Cowherd was doing a remote the day before at Eddie George's grill. While I was waiting in line to get in, they announced the passing of Bo Schembechler. About 1/3 of the crowd cheered. Seriously. I heard multiple jokes about "at least now he doesn't have to watch them lose tomorrow" and "Bo's heart couldn't take facing 'the animal' ". For all of you around DC, that is all you need to know about osu fans. I have lived with them my whole life and they are simply unbelievable. Oh yea, the day of the game, my cousin had a picture of Bo and Woody together before a game in the 70's (as a trype of memorial). osu fans spit on him and tore the picture. I have dozens of these stories but I have things to do so there ya go.


OMG Diesel, After hearing your experience I have decided I no longer like the Ohio State Buckeyes. Thanks to you I've seen the light. I just wish I would have known earlier that Ohio State had these issues you described. Possible ethics and NCAA violations and a percentage of fans that are complete *******s. Luckily for us NO other major program has these problems or allegations.:doh:

Well it has become clear to me that no way in hell should we draft JL, I mean a percentage of people that cheered for him are *******s, and he went to a school that alledgedly allowed someone to pass through by taking a fluff class over a decade ago.I'm just glad this doesn't take place everywhere:doh:

As to the Florida comment, yes in 2009 Florida's offense looked good in the title game, ofcourse that should be discounted because they played Hawaii and the Citadel:doh:

[HighOnHendrix]

Why because it hurts your argument or your feelings which one is it?

AJ Hawk
Santonio Holmes
Nick Mangold

They are the only ones who would be an upgrade or fit a need for us. Other then that the rest are no better then what we have. No one on that list is an elite player.

Both, lol! Really, just because they wouldn't be an upgrade or fit for our team doesn't make them bad players. And there are only a very small handful of elite players in any given draft. That is what makes them elite, after all: the best of the best.

Pace and Springs have been elite players during their careers, they're just on the downside of their careers now. Winfield and Clements are damn good corners, too.

Sounds to me, though, like you're going to talk down on anybody that wasn't a top 5 pick or in hindsight should have been. You know what you get in most cases when you draft an OSU player? A solid, capable player who is ready to play now or in the very near future. Not a project. Show me a school that's putting out the volume and quality of pro players that OSU is putting out that is not named Miami or USC.

[Santana_Fan]

Thoughts? He is extremely overrated. If you want a LB then Maualuga is the pick. JL has BIG trouble shedding blocks and doesn't transition as an OLB. Maualuga on the other hand can get after the QB from the outside and has the speed and athleticism to move to OLB for the time being until Fletcher is done. Rey is a very vocal leader and we lack that presence. Id rather go with one of the 4 OTs but with them possibly being gone by #13 then Rey or Orakpo is the choice.

DE - Jason Taylor
DT - Albert Haynesworth
DT - Cornelius Griffin / Anthony Montgomery
DE - Andre Carter

OLB - Rocky McIntosh
MLB - London Fletcher
OLB - Rey Maualuga / Brian Orakpo

CB - DeAngelo Hall
CB - Carlos Rogers
FS - LaRon Landry
SS - Chris Horton

Wow its a HUGE possibility that the above lineup is our starting lineup for D for 2009. That lineup is straight NASTY!!!

I would go crazy if we got Rey Maualuga or Orakpo, our defense will scare offenses even more. Hopefully it's Maualuga though.

[tml6157]

Show me a school that's putting out the volume and quality of pro players that OSU is putting out that is not named Miami or USC.

Quantity, not many. Quality is a different story.

[diesel22]

OMG Diesel, After hearing your experience I have decided I no longer like the Ohio State Buckeyes. Thanks to you I've seen the light. I just wish I would have known earlier that Ohio State had these issues you described. Possible ethics and NCAA violations and a percentage of fans that are complete *******s. Luckily for us NO other major program has these problems or allegations.:doh:

Well it has become clear to me that no way in hell should we draft JL, I mean a percentage of people that cheered for him are *******s, and he went to a school that alledgedly allowed someone to pass through by taking a fluff class over a decade ago.I'm just glad this doesn't take place everywhere:doh:

As to the Florida comment, yes in 2009 Florida's offense looked good in the title game, ofcourse that should be discounted because they played Hawaii and the Citadel:doh:

1. Find me another school in the Big Ten who has come CLOSE to as many off the field football issues as osu in the past 20 yrs. With Michigan doing the absolutely unconscionable by bringing in richrod, that will likely change in the near future however. That is the type of guy who truly belongs on osu's staff. Get caught with a 15 yr old dancing on your apt coffee table after you got her drunk? No problem. Soon Michigan will go from a respected character program to another (dare I say it) osu.

2. Any comment an osu fan makes about Florida is immediately void. I have seen an anti-Gator movement the past few yrs in this state that is unfathomable. The bias is such a joke that you can't get buckeye fans to admit they would like to have Tebow running their offense:silly:. Of course, if my school got waxed, emabarrassed, de-pantsed (insert your fav expression here) by Florida in both the football and basketball national championship games.......I guess I would be a little butt-hurt too.

3. The vast majority of osu fans are classless. It's really not a debate amongst anyone who has been exposed to them. You know the best way to tell that you are talking to a decent osu fan is that he is embarrassed of the other 80%. Let me know the last time people ran around kicking random car doors in Ann Arbor bc Michigan won a big game (happened to my car parked right on High Street by a dude painted in scarlet and grey. Saw it with my own eyes -- he was a lucky, lucky man that I couldn't get to the street in time. If you fail to admit that osu fans(and Browns fans for that matter) are primarily an eyesore to the state.....then you clearly do not fall into that microscopic group of osu fans who behehave like humans.

4. Every team, on some level has obnoxious fans. The difference here is that it is celebrated. When Bo's passing was announced, dozens of people cheered in that bar -- and not ONE osu fan stood up and said "hey, that's probably not the thing to do". DO you think they cheered in Ann Arbor when Woody passed? Hopefully you have more sense than that (I'm still optimistic)

[HighOnHendrix]

and Browns fans for that matter) are primarily an eyesore to the state.....

Yes they are. Just bring up "The Drive" or "The Fumble" and they shut up in a hurry. If that doesn't work, mention DC's trio of Lombardis.

[VAJay112]

Alfred Fincher, what ever happened to him. He would have worked at LB and would have been cheap as well.

[moondog]

1. Find me another school in the Big Ten who has come CLOSE to as many off the field football issues as osu in the past 20 yrs. With Michigan doing the absolutely unconscionable by bringing in richrod, that will likely change in the near future however. That is the type of guy who truly belongs on osu's staff. Get caught with a 15 yr old dancing on your apt coffee table after you got her drunk? No problem. Soon Michigan will go from a respected character program to another (dare I say it) osu.

2. Any comment an osu fan makes about Florida is immediately void. I have seen an anti-Gator movement the past few yrs in this state that is unfathomable. The bias is such a joke that you can't get buckeye fans to admit they would like to have Tebow running their offense:silly:. Of course, if my school got waxed, emabarrassed, de-pantsed (insert your fav expression here) by Florida in both the football and basketball national championship games.......I guess I would be a little butt-hurt too.

1) I'm not so sure over the past 20 years, considering my age, but I'm almost positive Penn State blew every school in the nation out of the water this year with student-athlete violations, specifically their football team (I'll take responsibility for saying it, pretty sure I remember seeing in on tv when espn was drooling over JoePa):silly: Anyway, yes, OSU has some issues. So do a lot of schools, Clarett was a complete embarrassment, teams like VATech aren't without their Vicks and neither are NFL teams (see PacMan, Chris Henry - both of which are from West Virginia by the way and don't tell me they were attending classes and all that jazz). Point is, yea, OSU is bad, but so are a lot of places, you're just stuck in a place you hate. Hell, wasn't it USC or Cal where the backup punter stabbed the dude that took over his job? Yes, unfortunately it is true that MANY schools, including OSU, place sports over academics and life skills quite often. Hell, I go to Miami University in Ohio and it's obvious how many perks athletes HERE get, but the whole conversation about athletes getting used or being spoiled is a different topic. Ohio State is bad because they are supposed to be the pinnacle of collegiate sports in this are and so they do whatever is necessary, in your opinion it may be worse than other places, but some may see that differently. The campus is relatively dirty, ugly and city-like so it seems to foster that kind of attitude at times - I will give you that but others likely have the same opinion and differing opinions about other schools.

2) You answered your own question. Of course buckeye fans hate Florida and would make idiotic statements like that - after getting embarrassed twice by Florida it's natural to have resentment. See Redskins vs. NFC East team fans. There are the fans that go and enjoy the game and there are the drunk obnoxious fans and several in between and almost every year there is a thread about someone being intolerant of one or the other. It's sports. It brings out the best and worst in people. Anyone in college would love to have Tebow as their QB, even if Buckeyes hate him right now. Any team would also love to have Pryor on their roster as well. I'm sorry I'm not sorry you probably won't find a whole lot of sympathy from most people around here for ranting about your opinions of OSU as to why James Laurinitis would not be the right choice talent-wise for the Redskins. I don't want us to pick him either, I think he's fine character-wise but is too small and I don't think he'll translate to a first-round worthy pick in the NFL.

[bu7ch]

OMG Diesel, After hearing your experience I have decided I no longer like the Ohio State Buckeyes. Thanks to you I've seen the light. I just wish I would have known earlier that Ohio State had these issues you described. Possible ethics and NCAA violations and a percentage of fans that are complete *******s. Luckily for us NO other major program has these problems or allegations.:doh:

Well it has become clear to me that no way in hell should we draft JL, I mean a percentage of people that cheered for him are *******s, and he went to a school that alledgedly allowed someone to pass through by taking a fluff class over a decade ago.I'm just glad this doesn't take place everywhere:doh:

As to the Florida comment, yes in 2009 Florida's offense looked good in the title game, ofcourse that should be discounted because they played Hawaii and the Citadel:doh:

I love the "it happens everywhere else" excuses that OSU always has. Until they adopt a new way of playing they'll always suck against speed teams.

[eagleskins]

JL is a beast. This would be a great pick.

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

JL is on the back end of good LB's, if we go after an OLB then try Cushing should be a much better pro, and is a better athlete, who started this thread JL's mother?

USC has 3 LB's all better than JL!

[Justsomeguy]

I am not sure I know what this thread is about anymore.:chair::saber::box::finger::cry::maniac: :toilet::toilet:

[Laron Burgundy]

The only person I know that goes to Ohio State is a giant D bag, so I can concur with a lot of the OSU haters on here. They are an over-rated program that always seems to creep up into the top 10 despite getting stomped by any other team in the top 10. They come from a bad conference that makes them look better than they really are. Going 1-5 in your bowl games and 3-11 against other major conferences kinda shows you where the Big 10 is at.

[blindlywewander]

just to throw in my two cents, i agree with diesel.

on topic, JL may turn out ok, but rey is the best option at lb.

[skinsfanjoe]

And so goes yet another thread on extremeskins!

[Kilmer]

So I guess we are just into name players in this thread. Marcus Freeman is the value pick from the Buckeyes, the type of player we should be looking at. He has better physical assets than Laurinaitis to be a good pro. Laurinaitis is a really smart player, that is what made him stand out at OSU, he was always in the right place. But I don't think he will live up to his draft position if he goes late first early second, probably not enough speed. His smarts may make him a good pro too, but I think he may get outclassed for the most part in the NFL. Freeman on the other hand I think will develop into a nice pro and can be had later on.

[diesel22]

And so goes yet another thread on extremeskins!

You're just upset bc you didn't anticipate there being a guy on this message board who is right in the middle of the :pooh: right here in buckeye land. A guy who has spent over 3 yrs of his life in cbus and speaks not from third hand accounts, but from personal experiences of my own, and those I know well.

Myopic ignorance and intolerance is passed on by generation here (the closer you get to cbus the stronger it becomes). The easiest comparison is that of racism in the deep South for so many yrs (and in some places, still today). Any non-biased, objective observer who is subjected to it can easily see it as embarrassing behavior. Not amongst "bucknuts" though -- they not only expect it, but in most circles, encourage it.

[J-bomb]

Pass on the slow, over-hyped LB from Ohio ST, we heard the same about the other so called great LB's that came before him and they holding up in the league now? he will be average in the league at best! I'd put my money on Freeman as a better LB in the league than him!

[diesel22]

Pass on the slow, over-hyped LB from Ohio ST, we heard the same about the other so called great LB's that came before him and they holding up in the league now? he will be average in the league at best! I'd put my money on Freeman as a better LB in the league than him!


I agree he's a better prospect but even he is a long-shot. Bust out the tape of the USC game and watch their FB (no, not TB) work freeman multiple times in space. One of them went for a TD. If you can't stay with a college FB running a wheel-route I have some concerns as to whether you have the game speed required to play in the league. With that said, I would still select him over 33 (definitely on day 2 though)

[jflow78]

For LBers I'm going with PAC10, for CBs I'll go with Ohio St. guys. Mostly I wish Brandon Spikes was coming out this year from Florida.

[CapitalDefense]

O v e r r a t e d

[Laron Burgundy]

For LBers I'm going with PAC10, for CBs I'll go with Ohio St. guys. Mostly I wish Brandon Spikes was coming out this year from Florida.

Yeah, next year's linebacker class could be something special with Spikes, McClain, Herzlich, and Weatherspoon. That is if McClain comes out a year early.

[tml6157]

Yeah, next year's linebacker class could be something special with Spikes, McClain, Herzlich, and Weatherspoon. That is if McClain comes out a year early.

You forgot Sergio Kindle too he is a monster!

[BurgundyandGold44]

LOCK this thread please.

[skinsbosoxheels]

Trade down and take him...Skins need another white starter...lol

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

No thanks. I like my LBs to actually have some speed and quickness :)

Which is the weakness of many Big Ten players in general.

[skinsfanjoe]

You're just upset bc you didn't anticipate there being a guy on this message board who is right in the middle of the :pooh: right here in buckeye land. A guy who has spent over 3 yrs of his life in cbus and speaks not from third hand accounts, but from personal experiences of my own, and those I know well.

Myopic ignorance and intolerance is passed on by generation here (the closer you get to cbus the stronger it becomes). The easiest comparison is that of racism in the deep South for so many yrs (and in some places, still today). Any non-biased, objective observer who is subjected to it can easily see it as embarrassing behavior. Not amongst "bucknuts" though -- they not only expect it, but in most circles, encourage it.


:doh: Whatever dude. I'm not upset about anything you say at all because you seem like another bitter person that lumps all Buckeye fans into one big classification based on your "first hand" knowledge. You're right, all us Buckeye fans are dumb, intolerant, unsympatetic, turds that think only our teams players are any good. I'm not going to argue with you about it seeing that you are right in the heart of buckeye country and therfore know all there is to know about the bucks and all there fans. Especially living in the big giant town of Ada and all.

[diesel22]

:doh: Whatever dude. I'm not upset about anything you say at all because you seem like another bitter person that lumps all Buckeye fans into one big classification based on your "first hand" knowledge. You're right, all us Buckeye fans are dumb, intolerant, unsympatetic, turds that think only our teams players are any good. I'm not going to argue with you about it seeing that you are right in the heart of buckeye country and therfore know all there is to know about the bucks and all there fans. Especially living in the big giant town of Ada and all.

Guess you didn't catch the fact that I spent almost four years in cbus ('bout a mile and a half from 'the shoe' to be exact). I would venture to guess I am much more qualified to speak on the program - and more specifically its fans - than anyone on this board.

[SKINchiefer]

Either one of the elite tackles or Rey wouldn't hurt.

[skinsfanjoe]

Guess you didn't catch the fact that I spent almost four years in cbus ('bout a mile and a half from 'the shoe' to be exact). I would venture to guess I am much more qualified to speak on the program - and more specifically its fans - than anyone on this board.

I'm sold! You spent almost four years in Columbus? Really? So yeah, you know more than anyone else on this board could ever know. I live close to the zoo for 10 years so I know more about it and all that's inside more than anybody on this board could possibly know. You are lame! :stop:

[SkinsOrlando]

Only if he wears his dads face paint and spiked shoulder pads, otherwise I'll pass.

[Kilmer]

Guess you didn't catch the fact that I spent almost four years in cbus ('bout a mile and a half from 'the shoe' to be exact). I would venture to guess I am much more qualified to speak on the program - and more specifically its fans - than anyone on this board.

Well I have lived here for the past 20 years and say your pretty much full of ****. I love how you use the Clarrett allegations as fact even though they were made by jailbird Clarrett himself and never even close to proven after several NCAA investigations. Clarrett also chose not to repeat those allegations against the University after it blew up in his face.

Ohio State has no more player issues than any other major school. That is what happens when you have a lot of future millionaires on your team, they do the bare minimum to stay eligible and in the final semester don't even bother anymore.

This said, I still would not draft an OSU player in the 1st round this year. The only one coming out I really like is Robiskie and he is not worth a 1st round pick, also, we did the WR thing last year.

[skinsfanjoe]

Well I have lived here for the past 20 years and say your pretty much full of ****. I love how you use the Clarrett allegations as fact even though they were made by jailbird Clarrett himself and never even close to proven after several NCAA investigations. Clarrett also chose not to repeat those allegations against the University after it blew up in his face.

Ohio State has no more player issues than any other major school. That is what happens when you have a lot of future millionaires on your team, they do the bare minimum to stay eligible and in the final semester don't even bother anymore.

This said, I still would not draft an OSU player in the 1st round this year. The only one coming out I really like is Robiskie and he is not worth a 1st round pick, also, we did the WR thing last year.


You don't think Jenkins and Wells are first round caliber?

[diesel22]

Well I have lived here for the past 20 years and say your pretty much full of ****. I love how you use the Clarrett allegations as fact even though they were made by jailbird Clarrett himself and never even close to proven after several NCAA investigations. Clarrett also chose not to repeat those allegations against the University after it blew up in his face.

Ohio State has no more player issues than any other major school. That is what happens when you have a lot of future millionaires on your team, they do the bare minimum to stay eligible and in the final semester don't even bother anymore.

This said, I still would not draft an OSU player in the 1st round this year. The only one coming out I really like is Robiskie and he is not worth a 1st round pick, also, we did the WR thing last year.

Ohio State fan (and obviously in the 1st category)

Go turn "the fan" back on and listen to chris speilman talk about how pryor is gonna leave with 2 national championships, Biakabatuka's 331 yds against the buckeye's 'team of the century' in '95 was the result of a "conspiracy" and that if ginn didn't get hurt you would have had a chance against U of F. I have been around the country. I have yet to see a collegiate fan base as delusional as this.....and it's not close. You're obviously part of it and that's why you can't see it. There's nothing abnormal to you because it's part of the culture - and has been here for years. It's like a chain-smoker who walks into a small room and doesn't realize how bad he smells everyone else -- he is so accustomed to it that it doesn't even register.

[Kilmer]

You don't think Jenkins and Wells are first round caliber?

Beanie is too injury prone, I would not want a power back who gets injured all the time. Let someone else draft him.

Jenkins is not fast enough for corner, maybe he will be a good safety.

They are 1st round talent I guess, I just said I would not draft them.

[skinsfanjoe]

Beanie is too injury prone, I would not want a power back who gets injured all the time. Let someone else draft him.

Jenkins is not fast enough for corner, maybe he will be a good safety.

They are 1st round talent I guess, I just said I would not draft them.




Fair enough.

[Kilmer]

Ohio State fan (and obviously in the 1st category)

Go turn "the fan" back on and listen to chris speilman talk about how pryor is gonna leave with 2 national championships, Biakabatuka's 331 yds against the buckeye's 'team of the century' in '95 was the result of a "conspiracy" and that if ginn didn't get hurt you would have had a chance against U of F. I have been around the country. I have yet to see a collegiate fan base as delusional as this.....and it's not close. You're obviously part of it and that's why you can't see it. There's nothing abnormal to you because it's part of the culture - and has been here for years. It's like a chain-smoker who walks into a small room and doesn't realize how bad he smells everyone else -- he is so accustomed to it that it doesn't even register.

LOL. I am a Redskin fan. But I do like the Buckeyes, I just don't think they will be good again till they get a decent D coordinator. Can't play Tressel ball with a timid defense.

Speilman is a joke, the only reason the dude is on the radio is because he played for Ohio State.

I am not going to defend Ohio State fans, many of them are classless. It was embarrassing the way the home town fans treated Texas fans a few years back. Columbus is a rabid sports town and Ohio State is the game in town. I moved here when Earl Bruce was coach, so it was hard for me not to follow them since I love football. But I only watched two games this year, Penn State and Texas because they play such a weak schedule I just don't see a point. So that will tell you the kind of Ohio State fan I am.

But for you to claim the Ohio State football team is breaking NCAA rules left and right is what I make objection too. USC has actually had more troubles in the media than OSU, yet they are still golden because the win the big games. Ohio State would be losing scholarships left and right if half of what you said was true.

[tml6157]

Beanie is too injury prone, I would not want a power back who gets injured all the time. Let someone else draft him.

Jenkins is not fast enough for corner, maybe he will be a good safety.

They are 1st round talent I guess, I just said I would not draft them.

I find it laughable how Wells was a no show with an injury against Penn State this year but did show up for the Minnesota game :hysterical:

[Missin Meast]

Every big name ohio state LB is always a bust!

[McD5]

Every big name ohio state LB is always a bust!

You can add quarterback to that as well.

Just stay away from that entire program. They simply don't play good enough competition, enough times a season, to trust any of the hype, or to make an accurate determination of how they would ever do in the NFL. That is the bottom line.

And to the OSU supporters? Direct you anger at your own AD. He is the one that schedules the Kent States and San Diego States of the world.

Their conference schedule is so weak that they should be scheduling nothing but top teams out of conference--with every single opportunity.

And further blame can go to the conference as well. No title game? Why not?

hmmm. Money perhaps? Gotta get those teams in the bowls....can't afford them losing late in the season.

It is a pathetic conference on so many levels.

[diesel22]

LOL. I am a Redskin fan. But I do like the Buckeyes, I just don't think they will be good again till they get a decent D coordinator. Can't play Tressel ball with a timid defense.

Speilman is a joke, the only reason the dude is on the radio is because he played for Ohio State.

I am not going to defend Ohio State fans, many of them are classless. It was embarrassing the way the home town fans treated Texas fans a few years back. Columbus is a rabid sports town and Ohio State is the game in town. I moved here when Earl Bruce was coach, so it was hard for me not to follow them since I love football. But I only watched two games this year, Penn State and Texas because they play such a weak schedule I just don't see a point. So that will tell you the kind of Ohio State fan I am.

But for you to claim the Ohio State football team is breaking NCAA rules left and right is what I make objection too. USC has actually had more troubles in the media than OSU, yet they are still golden because the win the big games. Ohio State would be losing scholarships left and right if half of what you said was true.

While I was down there "the fan" was the only espn station in town and I had to listen to that moron every day. THEN, they cut Colin Cowherd's show by an hr so Speilman's show could be extended an hr. :doh:

As for Clarrett, I admit most of what I have heard is just that - what I have heard (although I have known several guys who went through the program - and a couple at that time - who said Tressel did him "dirty"). As for the stories on Katzenmoyer and Moore, those are first hand accounts by people I know well.

I do agree about USC -- they do appear to be the "teflon don" of college football.

Edit} The campus has to be one of the worst in America too. Just this week another student was found on 13th street, beat to death. The worst part of Cbus is literally back to back with the campus. Anyone who would send their daughter there should have a c.a.t. scan.

[RedskinPryde]

As much as the LB position in this draft is at its strength, I feel like we would be getting another good player on defense... But not addressing what the Redskins have had problems with for the past decade.

[moondog]

Diesel22, I posted earlier (page 7) and while you're right about the ****ty, rough campus, you have to realize that in terms of bad/good eggs it's like anything else. For example: for every FA we get like Adam Archuletta we typically get a guy like Santana Moss, in college, specifically OSU for this example, for every EXTREME like Clarette, there's an extreme in the other direction like Anthony Gonzalez who I believe graduated with a 4.0 in a somewhat difficult major. Extremes are called such for a reason and at almost any school you will find a FEW in either extreme and most fall into the stereotypical college athlete that is content to just breeze through college. There are a few extremes, a majority of tweeners, and a few guys who genuinely care and really are STUDENT-athletes. This is true even at smaller schools and at a higher rate at bigger athletic schools like OSU - they are supposed to be the pinnacle of sports in the area although they are not that good imo. Try not to hate so much man. Just bein friendly but you seem like you care too much about it, now that you're in Ada, let it go man, it's not worth it to rant so much over it.

Based clearly on Laurinitis' skill set and not something like his school, campus, etc., I think the strong majority of people around here would agree that not only is Freeman a better pro prospect than him, but that the 'skins should draft neither.

[eagleskins]

How about Sean Lee next year? He would have been the top LB in this draft if he didn't get hurt.

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

Trade down and take him...Skins need another white starter...lol


Sign Hunter Smith.........

[henry74]

376 career tackles, 9 interceptions, 13 sacks an no MISSED games. Laurinaitius is an awesome linebacker and would fit this defensive scheme perfectly. Sideline to sideline and doesn't take plays off. Wake up and smell the coffee!!!

[diesel22]

376 career tackles, 9 interceptions, 13 sacks an no MISSED games. Laurinaitius is an awesome linebacker and would fit this defensive scheme perfectly. Sideline to sideline and doesn't take plays off. Wake up and smell the coffee!!!

Dayton, OH

[McD5]

376 career tackles, 9 interceptions, 13 sacks an no MISSED games. Laurinaitius is an awesome linebacker and would fit this defensive scheme perfectly. Sideline to sideline and doesn't take plays off. Wake up and smell the coffee!!!

Smell this coffee.

He got those stats against mainly chumps.

Not people who will ever sniff an NFL field in the future.

Cut the statistics in half, and then compare him to others.

[diesel22]

Smell this coffee.

He got those stats against mainly chumps.

Not people who will ever sniff an NFL field in the future.

Cut the statistics in half, and then compare him to others.

Read some of my earlier posts. Trust me when I tell you....you are wasting your time with ppl from around here (Ohio). Roughly 80% of buckeye fans here live in a parallel universe.

[cphil006]

He plays stiff. Second rounder maybe..

[cphil006]

BTW, I grew up a huge Road Warriors fan... RIP Hawk...

[henry74]

Thanks for all the proof behind your statements. Just because you hate OSU, you would pass on drafting him. Thank god none of you are GM's

[McD5]

Thanks for all the proof behind your statements. Just because you hate OSU, you would pass on drafting him. Thank god none of you are GM's

Yes. Too bad we didn't get Troy Smith a few years ago.

What were we thinking?

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

And further blame can go to the conference as well. No title game? Why not?

How many teams are in the Big 10? Do you know? 11..Do you know how many teams the NCAA requires to have a conference title game??? You would make a horrible lawyer. You never ask a ? you don't know the answer to. Then again, you dont know much, which shows with all of the stupid questions you ask, and the comments you make. The answer to the question is 12.

[diesel22]

Thanks for all the proof behind your statements. Just because you hate OSU, you would pass on drafting him. Thank god none of you are GM's

Go back in the thread (before the osu discussion in general started) and you'll see a breakdown. In a nutshell, he doesn't change direction well, has average (at best) hips and lacks ability to shed blocks efficiently. He will not overpower blockers in the NFL -- 'chicken fighting' with blockers in the league gets you one thing....taken out of the play.


How many teams are in the Big 10? Do you know? 11..Do you know how many teams the NCAA requires to have a conference title game??? You would make a horrible lawyer. You never ask a ? you don't know the answer to. Then again, you dont know much, which shows with all of the stupid questions you ask, and the comments you make. The answer to the question is 12.

I am in my 2nd yr of law school and finished first in 2 of my 5 classes. Just in case you ever try to use that argument on me...
:D

[henry74]

Yes. Too bad we didn't get Troy Smith a few years ago.

What were we thinking?

Wow, your smart one. Troy Smith will always be a career back up. His game was making plays on his feet. Translations just for you, " Does not work in the NFL". Just because I'm an OSU fan does not mean I blinded by Scarlet and Gray and wear a sweater vest.

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

hmmm. Money perhaps? Gotta get those teams in the bowls....can't afford them losing late in the season.


You clearly don't understand how college athletics work, and specifically how the bowl systems go. The Big Ten has contracts with I believe its 6 or 7 bowl games. As long as a bowl team is eligible, then they are locked in those bowls. As well as an automatic bowl bid to BCS bowl. And in the Big 10, all the schools split the bowl $$, and its divided between all Big 10 schools equally. So, your theory doesn't stand up here either...sorry ;)

[McD5]

How many teams are in the Big 10? Do you know? 11..Do you know how many teams the NCAA requires to have a conference title game??? You would make a horrible lawyer. You never ask a ? you don't know the answer to. Then again, you dont know much, which shows with all of the stupid questions you ask, and the comments you make. The answer to the question is 12.

That is lame.

So because they can't attract one more weak team to the conference.....Kent State maybe?

Or if they had a pair.....how about Utah? But they won't, that could be dangerous.

So because of that, they can't play a title game. They are helpless victims.

:hysterical:

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

I am in my 2nd yr of law school and finished first in 2 of my 5 classes. Just in case you ever try to use that argument on me...
:D

LOL Note taken. Yet, then again your posts have a little more knowledge and insight than a few others in this thread.

[McD5]

You clearly don't understand how college athletics work, and specifically how the bowl systems go. The Big Ten has contracts with I believe its 6 or 7 bowl games. As long as a bowl team is eligible, then they are locked in those bowls. As well as an automatic bowl bid to BCS bowl. And in the Big 10, all the schools split the bowl $$, and its divided between all Big 10 schools equally. So, your theory doesn't stand up here either...sorry ;)

I completely understand the bowl system, and revenue sharing within conferences.

I also understand that in the ten years prior to the BCS, that the Rose Bowl was the biggest joke in the country. No one wanted to get sentenced to playing in that misery.

Stop the excuses. The OSU AD is a joke, who should be fired immediately.

The conference is a joke, and they are no longer relevant.

When those things change.....fantastic. Until then? No one cares about OSU vs Michigan.

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

That is lame.

So because they can't attract one more weak team to the conference.....Kent State maybe?

Or if they had a pair.....how about Utah? But they won't, that could be dangerous.

So because of that, they can't play a title game. They are helpless victims.

:hysterical:

They have been trying to get Notre Dame to jon the conference. Remember talking about conferences, you are talking about regions. Are they any other major schools in that area? You have to remember, Big 10 wouldn't ask a team to just come into the conference just for one sport. They have to be a well rounded university, and have a good athlethic program.

You bring up Utah? Why in the hell would would have them in the Big 10? Shouldnt you use that argument for the Pac 10???

[McD5]

They have been trying to get Notre Dame to jon the conference. Remember talking about conferences, you are talking about regions. Are they any other major schools in that area? You have to remember, Big 10 wouldn't ask a team to just come into the conference just for one sport. They have to be a well rounded university, and have a good athlethic program.

You bring up Utah? Why in the hell would would have them in the Big 10? Shouldnt you use that argument for the Pac 10???

The Big 10 could farm from many schools in the area. Kent State works, and their football progam would be on par with Michigan State in about two years after joining.

It is the ADs fault, for scheduling one decent team a year outside of the conference to play.

1 decent team(almost always a loss) and a bunch of games inside the conference against weak opponents doesn't cut it. But that is the OSU plan. And even that didn't start until Texas a few years back.


When the fans decide they don't want to pay to see OSU vs. Toledo, then the AD will wake up. Until then, he will continue to try to sneak into bowl games.

And I mentioned Utah, because they are a team looking to move up. They would give the little 10 some much needed respect.

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

I completely understand the bowl system, and revenue sharing within conferences.

I also understand that in the ten years prior to the BCS, that the Rose Bowl was the biggest joke in the country. No one wanted to get sentenced to playing in that misery.

Stop the excuses. The OSU AD is a joke, who should be fired immediately.

The conference is a joke, and they are no longer relevant.

When those things change.....fantastic. Until then? No one cares about OSU vs Michigan.

Dude, you dont make sense. OK first of all, before the BCS the Rose Bowl was and still is the most historic out of all the bowls. Prior to the BCS every team from the Big 10, and Pac 10, their season goal was to play in the Rose Bowl. And at the end of the year, if they were good enough they would win the National Championship.

As far as no one cares about OSU-Michigan...It was 2 years ago they were both undefeated, 1 vs 2. You mean to tell me no one cared about that game? They were talking about possibily having a rematch of that game in the title game..So I dont understand your theory there.

PS..Mods..move this thread into NCAA folder. This is clearly not about JL anymore. Just too many BIG 10 and OSU haters out here...

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

The Big 10 could farm from many schools in the area. Kent State works, and their football progam would be on par with Michigan State in about two years after joining.

It is the ADs fault, for scheduling one decent team a year outside of the conference to play.

1 decent team(almost always a loss) and a bunch of games inside the conference against weak opponents doesn't cut it. But that is the OSU plan. And even that didn't start until Texas a few years back.


When the fans decide they don't want to pay to see OSU vs. Toledo, then the AD will wake up. Until then, he will continue to try to sneak into bowl games.

And I mentioned Utah, because they are a team looking to move up. They would give the little 10 some much needed respect.


By the way, do you know much about scheduling?? How long out do teams have to schedule non-conference games? Do you know??

[McD5]

Dude, you dont make sense. OK first of all, before the BCS the Rose Bowl was and still is the most historic out of all the bowls. Prior to the BCS every team from the Big 10, and Pac 10, their season goal was to play in the Rose Bowl. And at the end of the year, if they were good enough they would win the National Championship.

As far as no one cares about OSU-Michigan...It was 2 years ago they were both undefeated, 1 vs 2. You mean to tell me no one cared about that game? They were talking about possibily having a rematch of that game in the title game..So I dont understand your theory there.

PS..Mods..move this thread into NCAA folder. This is clearly not about JL anymore. Just too many BIG 10 and OSU haters out here...

The Rose bowl was great 50 years ago. We have color tv now.

Miami in the 80s, Florida State in the 90s, USC in the early 2000s, and now Florida once again.

None of those teams ever wanted to play in the Rose bowl. It sucks. And without the BCS, they would be on the verge of bankruptcy.


And yes, no one cares about OSU vs. Michigan. That doesn't cut it anymore. Maybe it does for Kirk Herbstreit. Not for any fan outside of the area.

Play some real teams. It is easy.

Not one real team. 4-5. Then you have a decent case.

[McD5]

By the way, do you know much about scheduling?? How long out do teams have to schedule non-conference games? Do you know??

Yes. Many years ahead.

So start.

And not with one team. Not, "oh we play USC once, that covers it."

That is total BS. That doesn't cover it.

Nor does one game against Texas.

[HitStickTaylor21]

James Harrison ran a 5.25......I'm just sayin.

I found it was a 4.85

"Harrison was undersized. He was 5-feet-11½. He wasn't fast, either. His 40-yard dash time was 4.85. Plus, he was a 24-year-old rookie."
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/story/11304149

I don't think Maualuga or Laurinaitis will be able to play OLB in the NFL, they're both true inside backers.

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

The next 10 years will include USC, Miami (FL), California and Virginia Tech, which are all solid programs from different BCS conferences. Would you agree with that?

They have also scheduled Tennessee with a home and home series in 2018, 2019. You dont schedule major out of conference games a year from now...

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

Yes. Many years ahead.

So start.

And not with one team. Not, "oh we play USC once, that covers it."

That is total BS. That doesn't cover it.

Nor does one game against Texas.

we just finished a home and home with texas, and this year will be the final year of the home and home with USC. Its not just a one time game. You never have said, who's your team??

[McD5]

The next 10 years will include USC, Miami (FL), California and Virginia Tech, which are all solid programs from different BCS conferences. Would you agree with that?

They have also scheduled Tennessee with a home and home series in 2018, 2019. You dont schedule major out of conference games a year from now...

One game a year doesn't cut it, no.

[diesel22]

LOL Note taken. Yet, then again your posts have a little more knowledge and insight than a few others in this thread.

Well thank you. I have noticed over the few years I've been on here.....this is a very diverse group. We have college educated professionals......we have unemployed construction workers. We have ghetto boys ........we have farm boys. What really interests me is the box boy @ Costco who can break down the "3 technique" and how it relates to zone blocking. :D

Seriously, some of the more engaging football related convos I've had on here took place with ppl who didn't graduate HS. You just never know...

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

oh by the way, they also have a home and home series scheduled with Oklahoma in 2016, 2017. Yea you are right..they need to get off their ass and schedule some better teams.

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

One game a year doesn't cut it, no.

You kill me dude. First you complain that they dont schedule anyone, now when I show you they are scheduling better teams, you complain its just one game a year. At least give them a little credit. But no, you have such hatred for OSU and the Big 10, that you cant even give them any credit. By the way, you still haven't said..who's your team??

[Laron Burgundy]

As far as no one cares about OSU-Michigan...It was 2 years ago they were both undefeated, 1 vs 2. You mean to tell me no one cared about that game? They were talking about possibily having a rematch of that game in the title game..So I dont understand your theory there.

I think you kinda proved one of our points there. Yeah, those two teams were clearly the best teams in the nation. Record in their bowl games that year? 0-2. Outscored by a combined 41 points.

[diesel22]

I think you kinda proved one of our points there. Yeah, those two teams were clearly the best teams in the nation. Record in their bowl games that year? 0-2. Outscored by a combined 41 points.

And the next yr Michigan won a bowl game. In Florida. Against Florida.
:D:evilg:

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

I think you kinda proved one of our points there. Yeah, those two teams were clearly the best teams in the nation. Record in their bowl games that year? 0-2. Outscored by a combined 41 points.

Let me ask you this. Did you think Texas Tech was one of the best teams this year? Didnt they get waxed by Ole Miss in a bowl game? That didnt mean that Texas Tech wasnt a good team. Out of the top 3 Big 12 teams, TT, OU, and Texas, they went 1-2 in bowl games. Does that mean that no one cares about the Big 12? Which by the way, if Ohio St doesnt blitz on every play on that last drive, the would have had a shot to be Texas and then the Big 12 would have been 0-3. My point is, doesnt mean no one cares about them...

One last thing. You all simply dont understand the concept of tradition. Michigan OSU is all about tradition. you can throw the records out the window when those two teams play. the Pac 10 and Big 10 are both tradition rich conferences and schools..

[McD5]

You kill me dude. First you complain that they dont schedule anyone, now when I show you they are scheduling better teams, you complain its just one game a year. At least give them a little credit. But no, you have such hatred for OSU and the Big 10, that you cant even give them any credit. By the way, you still haven't said..who's your team??


That highlighted statement right there illustrates that you are aware that OSU traditionally plays pansies.

Immediately, you know they have scheduled pansies, and are just now trying to improve.

So that alone tells you how a person should view any past success they have had over the last 30 years--and it hasn't been much.

And one game a year is NOT enough.

There is a night and day difference between that, and what Florida does.


Everyone would agree that the SEC is tough enough.....Florida could schedule nothing but pansies the rest of the year, and still get by.

Do they? No. They schedule some pansies, but they also play Florida State and Miami most years.

Do they have to do that? No. So why do they do it? Because they don't run a pansy organization, that's why.


Please just enlighten the board, including those of us with two master's degrees, exactly what good team OSU beat last year.

Just name one.

Thread closed.:cool:

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

That highlighted statement right there illustrates that you are aware that OSU traditionally plays pansies.

Immediately, you know they have scheduled pansies, and are just now trying to improve.

So that alone tells you how a person should view any past success they have had over the last 30 years--and it hasn't been much.

And one game a year is NOT enough.

There is a night and day difference between that, and what Florida does.


Everyone would agree that the SEC is tough enough.....Florida could schedule nothing but pansies the rest of the year, and still get by.

Do they? No. They schedule some pansies, but they also play Florida State and Miami most years.

Do they have to do that? No. So why do they do it? Because they don't run a pansy organization, that's why.


Please just enlighten the board, including those of us with two master's degrees, exactly what good team OSU beat last year.

Just name one.

Thread closed.:cool:

Florida plays FL St every year, thats their rivalry game. They dont play Miami every year, so dont even try that. I can look it up, but they just started playing Miami again recently. Which by the way tell the last time Fla St or Miami was any good? Tell me the last time they scheduled a team thats played in a BCS bowl game in the last 5 years? they havent, dont even get me started on who Fla schedules, lets talk about La-monroe or the citadel.

And as for your question, half our games when we played them, were against ranked teams. 4-2 record. Lost to #3 penn st by 7, and #3 texas by 3.

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

You never did say? who is your team? Florida??

[Farbod21]

This guy has BUST written all over him. If he slips to the 3rd round, MAYBE. Otherwise PASS. Most overrated player since Katzenmoyer, who guess what, went to Ohio State as well...

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

This guy has BUST written all over him. If he slips to the 3rd round, MAYBE. Otherwise PASS. Most overrated player since Katzenmoyer, who guess what, went to Ohio State as well...

People..you are killing me bout Katz. Did he fall out of the league because he couldnt play? No...he had a neck injury...geezz...

Katzenmoyer was selected by the New England Patriots in the first round of the 1999 NFL Draft. He suffered a neck injury during his first season with the Patriots that eventually forced him to have surgery and miss half of the 2000 season. During training camp in 2001, Katzenmoyer walked out without permission, citing concern about a feeling in his neck. He was placed on injured reserve for the remainder of the season. The Patriots cut Katzenmoyer before the beginning of the 2002 season, and he has not returned to professional football.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Katzenmoyer

[Farbod21]

People..you are killing me bout Katz. Did he fall out of the league because he couldnt play? No...he had a neck injury...geezz...

Katzenmoyer was selected by the New England Patriots in the first round of the 1999 NFL Draft. He suffered a neck injury during his first season with the Patriots that eventually forced him to have surgery and miss half of the 2000 season. During training camp in 2001, Katzenmoyer walked out without permission, citing concern about a feeling in his neck. He was placed on injured reserve for the remainder of the season. The Patriots cut Katzenmoyer before the beginning of the 2002 season, and he has not returned to professional football.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Katzenmoyer

He still was in no way near as good as people thought he was. He had one big hit in college and people were saying he was the greatest LB ever. He wouldve been an average LB in the NFL at BEST if he wasn't injured... Same goes for Laurinaitis, he will be lucky if he is a starter in the NFL.

[diesel22]

People..you are killing me bout Katz. Did he fall out of the league because he couldnt play? No...he had a neck injury...geezz...

Katzenmoyer was selected by the New England Patriots in the first round of the 1999 NFL Draft. He suffered a neck injury during his first season with the Patriots that eventually forced him to have surgery and miss half of the 2000 season. During training camp in 2001, Katzenmoyer walked out without permission, citing concern about a feeling in his neck. He was placed on injured reserve for the remainder of the season. The Patriots cut Katzenmoyer before the beginning of the 2002 season, and he has not returned to professional football.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Katzenmoyer

Bro -- don't go to wiki for insider football info....c'mon now. :D

His own defensive coordinator threw him under the bus....admitting that he showed no interest in learning the playbook -- and that it showed. Katz was a terrible combination of stupid and lazy. You can get away with one....usually not with both. Remember the story about my friend in 45's class @ osu? Well, apparently he didn't magically develop a work ethic once he left school.

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

He still was in no way near as good as people thought he was. He had one big hit in college and people were saying he was the greatest LB ever. He wouldve been an average LB in the NFL at BEST if he wasn't injured... Same goes for Laurinaitis, he will be lucky if he is a starter in the NFL.


Wait a minute...How do you know he would have been an average LB in the NFL? Oh sorry, I didnt realize I was talking to Mel Kiper Jf. I didnt realize you were a GM in the league. If you want to be taken seriously around here, you need something to back up your statements.

[McD5]

Florida plays FL St every year, thats their rivalry game. They dont play Miami every year, so dont even try that. I can look it up, but they just started playing Miami again recently. Which by the way tell the last time Fla St or Miami was any good? Tell me the last time they scheduled a team thats played in a BCS bowl game in the last 5 years? they havent, dont even get me started on who Fla schedules, lets talk about La-monroe or the citadel.

And as for your question, half our games when we played them, were against ranked teams. 4-2 record. Lost to #3 penn st by 7, and #3 texas by 3.

Here is the deal.

Florida plays LSU. OSU plays one decent out-of-conference team.

So....let's say those two cancel each other out. LSU and USC. Or LSU and Texas.

Now, who else does OSU play in that same season?


And on another note, who does Texas play again? They have had one good season in the last forty. Vince Young. Nothing else.

Texas Tech? Not even one great season in the last forty.

Why would beating these programs be a feather in someone's cap?

It wouldn't be. And to teams like Florida, it isn't. That is the difference.


My team sucks. Florida State. And I easily admit it, and pray Bowden retires immediately.

That is another difference. I know my team sucks. And like Ohio State, they have great history. Who cares?

They suck. And Ohio State sucks. I at least admit my team sucks. OSU fans? Total denial.

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

Hey, I am just trying to defend my school, and conference. Everyone hates OSU for how much press they get. Ohio St is becoming the new Notre Dame when it comes to being the school everyone loves to hate.

[tml6157]

Hey, I am just trying to defend my school, and conference. Everyone hates OSU for how much press they get. Ohio St is becoming the new Notre Dame when it comes to being the school everyone loves to hate.

Perhaps because they were in 2 NC games that they were embarrassed in because they never belonged there in the first place!

[Laron Burgundy]

Let me ask you this. Did you think Texas Tech was one of the best teams this year? Didnt they get waxed by Ole Miss in a bowl game? That didnt mean that Texas Tech wasnt a good team. Out of the top 3 Big 12 teams, TT, OU, and Texas, they went 1-2 in bowl games. Does that mean that no one cares about the Big 12? Which by the way, if Ohio St doesnt blitz on every play on that last drive, the would have had a shot to be Texas and then the Big 12 would have been 0-3. My point is, doesnt mean no one cares about them...

One last thing. You all simply dont understand the concept of tradition. Michigan OSU is all about tradition. you can throw the records out the window when those two teams play. the Pac 10 and Big 10 are both tradition rich conferences and schools..

I actually thought Texas Tech wasn't any better than Missouri. They just don't have as complete a team. Though, to be fair, Missouri really screwed the pooch this year; they should have had one of the best teams in the country. Overall the Big 12 went 4-3 in bowls, so not terrible as a conference. And plus Oklahoma actually played a close game against Florida, so they deserved to be there (though I think we're all left wondering how Utah would have done).

The Big 10 may be tradition rich but it is talent poor. Though I suppose they can still churn out offensive linemen.

[HitStickTaylor21]

And on another note, who does Texas play again? They have had one good season in the last forty. Vince Young. Nothing else.

Come on really? Texas is 2nd most winning program in the country, it's tough to win national championships every year. Earl Campbell and Ricky Williams winning the Heisman, top 10 finishes in 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2008. I wouldn't say Texas has had one good season in the last 40 years, and I hate Texas.

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

Here is the deal.

Florida plays LSU. OSU plays one decent out-of-conference team.

So....let's say those two cancel each other out. LSU and USC. Or LSU and Texas.

Now, who else does OSU play in that same season?


And on another note, who does Texas play again? They have had one good season in the last forty. Vince Young. Nothing else.

Texas Tech? Not even one great season in the last forty.

Why would beating these programs be a feather in someone's cap?

It wouldn't be. And to teams like Florida, it isn't. That is the difference.


My team sucks. Florida State. And I easily admit it, and pray Bowden retires immediately.

That is another difference. I know my team sucks. And like Ohio State, they have great history. Who cares?

They suck. And Ohio State sucks. I at least admit my team sucks. OSU fans? Total denial.


Ok..let me try your logic. (And before that you want to debate ACC football over Big 10 football?? We can create a new thread if you like.)

OK..lets talk your logic here. You compare LSU and USC as opponents...

First of all.. Florida doesnt play LSU every year in conference play. But you are comparing a conference game to a non conference game. OSU doesnt have a control over how good their conference teams are. Do they?? Is is there fault if the conference is having a down year? So everyone complains about how weak OSU non conference games are. So they go out and schedule some good BCS teams for non conference games. And to be honest, those non conference games that are scheduled so far out, its just luck if those teams are any good by the time those games roll around. All you can ask a team, is play the schedule thats given to them. But for you that doesnt impress you or make a difference, that they are trying to schedule better out of conference games, because you say its just one game.

Lets talk about Florida's schedule...How many ranked teams did they play this past year. Ranked when they played them...6...how many did ohio state play? 6 How many non conference BCS teams has Florida ever played in the past 5 years...Fla State and Miami...Ohio st has played USC and Texas..

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

I actually thought Texas Tech wasn't any better than Missouri. They just don't have as complete a team. Though, to be fair, Missouri really screwed the pooch this year; they should have had one of the best teams in the country. Overall the Big 12 went 4-3 in bowls, so not terrible as a conference. And plus Oklahoma actually played a close game against Florida, so they deserved to be there (though I think we're all left wondering how Utah would have done).

The Big 10 may be tradition rich but it is talent poor. Though I suppose they can still churn out offensive linemen.

Talent poor????? Pop quiz hot shot...who had more players in the NFL in 2008?? Big 12? or Big 10...Don't go and look it up...just take a guess..

Here I will save you the time...

Big 10 234
Big 12 176

[McD5]

Come on really? Texas is 2nd most winning program in the country, it's tough to win national championships every year. Earl Campbell and Ricky Williams winning the Heisman, top 10 finishes in 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2008. I wouldn't say Texas has had one good season in the last 40 years, and I hate Texas.

Top 10 finishes? Come on.....they don't exactly have a tough schedule.

They too, are overhyped year in and year out.

Chris Simms anyone?

Aside from the Vince Young year. When did they last win a national title?

Who was president then? Were cell phones around? Did MTV even exist?

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

Well boys and girls..its been fun. Works calls. I will have to check back later and read some more of your twisted thoughts and posts...

[McD5]

Ok..let me try your logic. (And before that you want to debate ACC football over Big 10 football?? We can create a new thread if you like.)

OK..lets talk your logic here. You compare LSU and USC as opponents...

First of all.. Florida doesnt play LSU every year in conference play. But you are comparing a conference game to a non conference game. OSU doesnt have a control over how good their conference teams are. Do they?? Is is there fault if the conference is having a down year? So everyone complains about how weak OSU non conference games are. So they go out and schedule some good BCS teams for non conference games. And to be honest, those non conference games that are scheduled so far out, its just luck if those teams are any good by the time those games roll around. All you can ask a team, is play the schedule thats given to them. But for you that doesnt impress you or make a difference, that they are trying to schedule better out of conference games, because you say its just one game.

Lets talk about Florida's schedule...How many ranked teams did they play this past year. Ranked when they played them...6...how many did ohio state play? 6 How many non conference BCS teams has Florida ever played in the past 5 years...Fla State and Miami...Ohio st has played USC and Texas..

You are so close to seeing the truth, and you can feel it.

Okay, so LSU and Texas, or USC cancel each other out.


Next? Florida plays in the SEC title game.

Now, who does Ohio State have that compares to that opponent?

[Laron Burgundy]

Talent poor????? Pop quiz hot shot...who had more players in the NFL in 2008?? Big 12? or Big 10...Don't go and look it up...just take a guess..

Here I will save you the time...

Big 10 234
Big 12 176

I didn't say the Big 12 was great either. They have literally been a two team league for most of their history. Missouri wasn't good until 2 years ago and Texas Tech was only good this last year. And if you look at recent draft trends I'm pretty sure the Big 10 is 5th out of the 6 BCS conferences (Big East hardly counts any more).

[HitStickTaylor21]

Top 10 finishes? Come on.....they don't exactly have a tough schedule.

They too, are overhyped year in and year out.

Chris Simms anyone?

Aside from the Vince Young year. When did they last win a national title?

Who was president then? Were cell phones around? Did MTV even exist?

I'm not going to have a back and forth on this, I'm not going to make a case for Texas being over/underhyped. That said, they've won 4 National Championships, which is a lot more than plenty of teams.

Chris Simms doesn't need to be a main point of whether Texas has had one good season in the last 40 years, nor do MTV or cell phones.

Bottom line, and I'll leave it at this, is that Texas has a good program and it's not just to say, "Vince Young, nothing else," and then move on as if that's the definitive summation of their entire history.

[McD5]

It sucks to many people. But you know what the truth is.

SEC football is the only game in town right now. Everything else is a step below.

People used to watch Michigan vs. Ohio State.

Now they choose to watch Florida vs. LSU.


One step slightly below that is the state of Florida. Not for records--most players on Miami or FSU don't care about college football. But for NFL superstars.

Aside from the SEC and Florida.....the rest is nonsense.

[McD5]

I'm not going to have a back and forth on this, I'm not going to make a case for Texas being over/underhyped. That said, they've won 4 National Championships, which is a lot more than plenty of teams.

Chris Simms doesn't need to be a main point of whether Texas has had one good season in the last 40 years, nor do MTV or cell phones.

Bottom line, and I'll leave it at this, is that Texas has a good program and it's not just to say, "Vince Young, nothing else," and then move on as if that's the definitive summation of their entire history.

Prior to Vince Young, were you alive when they won their last national title?

I mean really.....they have sucked forever.

[Laron Burgundy]

Ok..let me try your logic. (And before that you want to debate ACC football over Big 10 football?? We can create a new thread if you like.)

I'm pretty sure ACC football is slightly less pathetic than Big 10 football. ACC was 6-12 (.333) the last two years in bowl games and the Big 10 was 4-9 (.308). Though you two should totally debate it; I'd love to hear how one bad conference isn't as bad as another bad conference. Though, that is probably the difference between ACC fans and Big 10 fans. Big 10 fans have too much tradition to ever believe their conference is bad.

[eagleskins]

The SEC was overrated this year. Yes, Florida won a mythical national title. Besides Florida, there wasn't another elite team in the SEC.

[OriginalWhizzinator]

niet....little mans got nada on the big bad wooolf.

http://photos.signonsandiego.com/albums/album178/KC_rose281165x160.jpg

[skins84]

why do we have a 13 page thread on this bum who we aren't going to draft???

[Arsenic]

I also predicted this guy.. months ago..

we shall see!

[Laron Burgundy]

The SEC was overrated this year. Yes, Florida won a mythical national title. Besides Florida, there wasn't another elite team in the SEC.

Perhaps, but Georgia and Alabama could hang with anybody in football aside from Florida, Oklahoma, USC, Texas and Utah, apparently. Those two teams were better than anyone in the ACC or Big 10, or Big East for that matter. Having 3 teams better than any team in 3 major conferences is pretty good.

[Riggo#44]

Um, lets take a look at OSU LBs recently:

Vernon Gholston
Bobby Carpenter (ha-ha!)
Andy Katzenmoyer

Did I miss any other busts?

I would never draft certain positions from certain schools:

Flordia QBs
Florida WRs
Michigan WRs
Penn State RBs

and OSU LBs

[diesel22]

why do we have a 13 page thread on this bum who we aren't going to draft???

Because you will never convince the average osu fan that 33 is - like the majority of their players every yr - VASTLY overrated. Overrated by the national media.....and overrated to an absolutely comical extend by the local cbus (and OH in general) media. As long as this is the case, you will not be able to make a dent.....
:silly:

[LoveDaSkins172645]

Sorry but this would be a wasted pick. This guy is over rated. Besides we will not draft another defensive player after all the money we just spent, Vinny and Danny will draft another WR or TE.

[rd421]

Not gonna happen now...and at this point getting Orakpu (however it is spelled) looks like a good fit!

[moondog]

niet....little mans got nada on the big bad wooolf.

http://photos.signonsandiego.com/albums/album178/KC_rose281165x160.jpg

Someone should photoshop this into a 'skins jersey.

[gortiz]

James Harrison ran a 5.25......I'm just sayin.

wow...just wow.

how can anyone be certain about any football player

[HitStickTaylor21]

wow...just wow.

how can anyone be certain about any football player

it wasn't a 5.25, it was a 4.85

[eagleskins]

Perhaps, but Georgia and Alabama could hang with anybody in football aside from Florida, Oklahoma, USC, Texas and Utah, apparently. Those two teams were better than anyone in the ACC or Big 10, or Big East for that matter. Having 3 teams better than any team in 3 major conferences is pretty good.

Uh, Georgia sucks. Every year they are the most overrated team. Paul Johnson beat that ass in their house his first year installing the option at Tech.

[McD5]

This thread is like herpes. It just won't go away.

[SonOfWashington]

You'll have no idea how a player will play at the next level. James Lauriniaitis is a very potent linebacker, and I would love to see him play for us.

But, who knows. We'll see.

[Never4get#21]

I'll pass. Cushing, Maybin, Rak, Malau all before him.

RT is what we really need at this point.

[Dmac#5]

Ah a big thread for JL, the best pile jumper in America!!!!

[HighOnHendrix]

This thread is like herpes. It just won't go away.

Yeah, and you had nothing to do with that. :rolleyes:

[Arsenic]

I was about to create this same exact thread.

I believe we can pick up an extra pick and pay less for the most underrated LB, in this year's LB-heavy draft.

Watch the video and you'll see that JL33 sheds blocks and tackles well and seems to have a special instict to find the ball in the air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9-k7Czh_ww

I really see something special in this guy. His only downfall, apparently, seems to be the history of LB's before him from the school he attendend. Hopefully, superstition isn't taken into account at Redskins Headquarters. In the world of car insurance, if you haven't had an accident in 3 years--or so--they say that you're due for one.

James Laurinaitus seems like one of those guys that The Patriots will snag and mold into an All-Pro for the next 10 years. I feel the need to ad my 2 cents here so that when that day comes I can say 'I told ya so'. :nana:

Hopefully, the Cowturds won't pick him up. ha. :dallasuck

who knows? :whoknows:

I like taking the longshot. I'm surprised to find that im not the only one who wants this dude..

Regardless, HAIL!

[RedskinPryde]

Thank You!!!!

I keep telling people that this man is a monster, much like Peyton Manning... If we don't draft him, he will be kicking are butts for the next 10 years...

Please draft James Laurinaitus