Are we sure Dock is an upgrade over Kendall?

[DallasBlowsBig]

Although Kendall is old, he played pretty solid the past two seasons for the Redskins. Dock is good but it seems he false starts on 25% of the snaps. Do you guys think he is an upgrade for sure?
I do like the fact that he weighs 350 pounds and adds more space to our O-line.

[Vicious]

No, not for sure.

[Papabear]

Time will tell.

[TheLongshot]

Well, he's an upgrade from the standpoint that he won't have to take one day off a week to rest. He's also likely to be good for longer than Kendall because he's younger. Also Buges knows him and knows what his strengths and weaknesses are.

[Gibbsisgod2006]

Well Kendell was great for us the past 2 years and was a leader in the locker room. He was pretty old for a lineman and was missing alot lot of practice towards the end of the year I think it is about the same.

[Shilsu]

Don't forget Dockery was part of a dominant offensive line that protected Mark Brunell in 2005, and created rushing lanes for Clinton Portis in 2005 and Ladell Betts in 2006. If he's not an upgrade, he's not a downgrade either.

[bubba9497]

yes

he's younger, faster, bigger

hi last 2 seasons in DC, where Samuels best of his career.

[UK SKINS FAN '74]

Over the course of the next 5 years, yes. :)

Kendall had a good year in 2008, but it seems to me like his body is giving up on him & would only last another year, maximum.

Dock is good value & fits a need for the next handful of years.

[TK]

False start.

Number 66.

Five yard penalty.

Replay down.

:doh:

[Reaganaut]

Doc is an upgrade because Samuels says he's an upgrade and that he wants to play as a tandem again. We will have depth and perhaps lineman can slide around now.

[onnie007]

Yes, over the 2009 Kendall but no over the 2008 Kendall.

[NoleSkin21]

I say yes! Adding Dockery means we don't HAVE to draft or groom a young guard to take that spot for the next 5 years.

[SAli457180]

False start.

Number 66.

Five yard penalty.

Replay down.

:doh:

Yeah that's the only downside with Dockery, too many penalties.

[Die Hard]

Is Dockery a WCO-type of offensive lineman? No.

But since we Zorn doesn't know what the hell kinda offense he's running.... who's to say.

All I have to say is.... if the offense stinks again this year.... Zorn HAS to go. We don't need Zorn to be a head coach here.... if his offense continues to stink and we're relying on our defense and DC to bail out the shortcomings of the HC/OC (Spurrier, Gibbs, Zorn).

[RIDETHEWALRUS]

Dockery may not be as good as a healthy Kendall, but Kendall won't remain healthy thanks to his age.

Our team started great, but finished poorly. So did our offensive line. As the season progressed, our Oline declined causing us to go on that abysmal finish.

We can trust Dock a lot more to be healthy in week 15 than Kendall.

[Big Mac Patty Wack]

Noone on here seems to sure he's better. I remember he was pretty dominant a few years ago with us. I think he's a big upgrade, especially considering his age.

[da#1skinsfan]

Kendall played well and gets a raw deal on this board due to his age and the fact the entire oline broke down last season.

That said, yes Dock is an upgrade. Would love to keep Kendall on for depth, he had a great year. Dont forget how dominant CP to the left was for much of the year.

[moondog]

While both Kendall and Dockery have a 40 rating in the carrying department (Madden 09), Dockery has a 32 in catching while Kendall only rates 17. I think it's clear that's worth at least 1 game per year. :twitch:

Anyways, on the serious side: He's younger, slightly more of a bull in the run game, and works very well with Samuels. Hopefully he fixed, or at least worked on the false start penalties in Buffalo.

[DexterSackMachine]

I think pass blocking they are pretty even, but in run blocking Dockery is a bulldozer. Also, I would hope that Dock has figured out how to not jump offsides in the two years he was away!

[Skins-Canes-Mounties]

Generally speaking, Kendall was a solid player in 2007 and 2008. Maybe he would be better than or equal to Doc in 2009, but it is hard to tell when a player will hit the wall with age. In the mid-term (2010, 2011 etc.), I think Doc is in the best interest of the team.

Also, I still blame Kendall for the loss to St. Louis. Without his bonehead play at the end of the first half, the Skins win that game (late game pass aside). The team simply was not built for 10 or 14 point swings like that, regardless of opponent. If the skins win that game, the team plays with more fire and takes the SF game as well, landing the Skins in the playoffs. Once in the playoffs, anything could happen. I know that it is hard to pin a season on one player's moronic play on one particular freak play, but I do!

That said, I would be happy to bring him back as a backup. Maybe in this economy, he is still hanging out there for a while and we can land him in a reserve role on the cheap.

[NVskinsfan]

How was his play in Buffalo.....

What is the word on the street?

[Rypien1191]

Yes, in the sense that we don't have to worry about LG for the next 4 years or so.

Plus, didn't he make that play against Philly in 05 when we went to the playoffs... recovered an offensive fumble 20 yards downfield that led to the win? Can't hurt to have a guy who makes hustle plays.

[onnie007]

Dockery may not be as good as a healthy Kendall, but Kendall won't remain healthy thanks to his age.

Our team started great, but finished poorly. So did our offensive line. As the season progressed, our Oline declined causing us to go on that abysmal finish.

We can trust Dock a lot more to be healthy in week 15 than Kendall.

I agree with everything your saying. I feel Dock's youth is the major upside to his acquisition.

[skinfan2k]

Easily, we can start pulling again to both directions

[HoyaSkins28]

I think productivity wise you won't see a difference and the fact that Dock is so much younger in my mind makes him an upgrade. However I would still like to re-sign Pete Kendall because I am not sure Randy Thomas can play up to starter level anymore and Kendall would be nice depth for both guard positions and behind Rabach too.

[MEANDWARF]

False start.

Number 66.

Five yard penalty.

Replay down.

:doh:

Maybe its the number! :D

[Oldskool]

If Blockhead loses some LB's and can pick up the zone blocking scheme AND cut the false start penalties, then he is.

[MEANDWARF]

If Blockhead loses some LB's and can pick up the zone blocking scheme AND cut the false start penalties, then he is.
Add if doc can take a batted ball from the air and not fumble it, then he's an upgrade.

[Sebowski]

Kendall faded big time at the end of both of his seasons here. He is no better than a sub at this point.

[skinfan2k]

Dockery finishes blocks on our team 2nd to only Samuels. He also helps Rabach against bigger NGs

[kiingspadee]

Go back to the St. Louis vs Washington game.....who cost us the game? OH THAT IS RIGHT - PETE KENDALL! Yes HIS mess up was the cost of the game. We were in FG range at least even Suisham could hit that I hope...take those 7 points away and we were then 9-7.

[Spear]

Don't forget Dockery was part of a dominant offensive line that protected Mark Brunell in 2005, and created rushing lanes for Clinton Portis in 2005 and Ladell Betts in 2006. If he's not an upgrade, he's not a downgrade either.Dockery was probably the worst, most expendable player on the line during that period. Now he'll probably be 3rd-best -- not because he's gotten better since then, but because everyone else on the line has gotten worse.

And the thing about 05 and 06 was that the running game was only "dominant" for 5-6 game stretches, just like 2007 and 2008. It's been hot and cold, regardless of who our LG has been.

To me, Dockery was a project that never saw completion. He's pretty much the same player we drafted. He's big and strong, but not impressive coming off the ball. His blocks are easily slipped and he's prone to mental errors.

He and Samuels aren't exactly Batman and Robin. There's nothing special about that tandem. They're just good friends. If anything, Dockery should focus on his chemistry with Rabach, as he's going to be the one needing his help, not Chris.

(Well, maybe Chris. Triceps tears are a *****)

Campbell had better start lobbying for the turf to be replaced with a crash pad.

EDIT: Bringing up the Kendall fumble as a knock against his ability as a GUARD is probably one of the stupidest things I've witnessed here, and that's saying a lot.

[estrella117]

Wow to tell you the truth kendall was the best lineman we had last year and to not resign him for at least the vet minimum is dumb! I think randy thomas is at the twilight of his career and hasn't been the same since betts broke his leg 2 yrs ago. We need to get som help in the tackle position , lb , p ,k and we are good to go.

[Chump Bailey]

Kendall's health, even taken his knees into consideration, is better than that of Thomas's. Pete's been a machine and is the much more durable of the two. It's the right side of the line that needs a complete overhaul immediately IMO and the Center position soon thereafter. Thomas and Samuels are both recovering from major surgery - aside from his knees Kendall's been pretty healthy and productive. I'm not sure letting him walk is wise at this point. Thomas is the one I'm worried about personally.

[estrella117]

Kendall's health, even taken his knees into consideration, is better than that of Thomas's. Pete's been a machine and is the much more durable of the two. It's the right side of the line that needs a complete overhaul immediately IMO and the Center position soon thereafter. Thomas and Samuels are both recovering from major surgery - aside from his knees Kendall's been pretty healthy and productive. I'm not sure letting him walk is wise at this point. Thomas is the one I'm worried about personally.


My thoughts exactly. Thomas is the weakest link next to Janson! Go and watch the ravens vs. skins game and you will see what im talking about!;)

[Califan007]

Dock is good but it seems he false starts on 25% of the snaps.
He had 2 false start penalties last season. So unless he only played 8 downs of football I'd say he's not quite at the 25% of snaps level right now lol :cool:

[Skins4SB]

I'm sure Buges had his hand in this signing and he wouldn't ask for him to come back here if he knew he wasn't good enough.

[AAARedskin]

He's younger, but Pete Kendall is still quite valuable. If RG Randy Thomas still has the injury bug, why can't Kendall play RG in his place? Getting Dockery back was definitely a nice move.....we all knew that our Skins needed to add at least TWO (if not 3) NEW O-LINEMEN for the coming season.....

[AAARedskin]

Wow to tell you the truth kendall was the best lineman we had last year and to not resign him for at least the vet minimum is dumb! I think randy thomas is at the twilight of his career and hasn't been the same since betts broke his leg 2 yrs ago. We need to get som help in the tackle position , lb , p ,k and we are good to go.
Quite true.....Pete is old for an NFL player, but the guy is still a decent lineman.....it will be really dumb not to keep him on the team....

['SKINSRICH]

yes

he's younger, faster, bigger
yep.

[1972FAN]

yes

he's younger, faster, bigger

hi last 2 seasons in DC, where Samuels best of his career.

Agree on your points

[downbeat87]

False start.

Number 66.

Five yard penalty.

Replay down.

:doh:

which one?!?!?

haha

[thesubmittedone]

Is Dockery a WCO-type of offensive lineman? No.

But since we Zorn doesn't know what the hell kinda offense he's running.... who's to say.

All I have to say is.... if the offense stinks again this year.... Zorn HAS to go. We don't need Zorn to be a head coach here.... if his offense continues to stink and we're relying on our defense and DC to bail out the shortcomings of the HC/OC (Spurrier, Gibbs, Zorn).


What is a WCO-type of offensive lineman? Wasn't the entire West Coast scheme built by Bill Walsh for the sake of minimizing the weaknesses within an Oline? I have never heard of a WCO-type of offensive lineman. I've heard of pulling guards, or more athletic Olineman for certain styles of running games, but a WCO-type of Olineman??

Anyway, Dock is an upgrade over Kendall simply because of his age. Kendall was really great, and he was surprisingly good at pulling, but I think we're better off here.

Anyone know how well Dock has done in Buffalo? Was he pulling at all?

[Riggo-toni]

Dockery always seem to start out the season slow, and then finish well. Kendall, due to his age, did the reverse...so, the answer is "No" for the first 6 games, and "Yes" for the last six.
We need to keep Kendall for depth. We can't count on Randy Thomas staying healthy for 16 games, and we're so weak at RT that if he goes down, the right side of our line will be screwed.

[thesubmittedone]

Hopefully, Kendall doesn't find any suitors and signs back with us for what we can afford. I'd love to see that kind of depth at Guard here.

['SKINSRICH]

which one?!?!?

haha
I'm not sure that was Kendall's biggest problem. His was more of him trying to be a tight end and catch balls and run with them...........



OK that wasn't fair. Not fair, but true.;)

[turbodiesel#44]

False start.

Number 66.

Five yard penalty.

Replay down.

:doh:Gee, I hope he's beyond that.

Hopefully Dock hasn't peaked yet, So this is an impossible question. I think it would be very wise to keep Pete another year. The old guy can still pull with that arthritic knee.

[The Full Monty]

Dockery probably would've batted that ball down against the Rams. ;)

[Dondrae474]

I am very happy about Dockery coming back to DC. He will be around for a few years. Kendall only had one year left if he was able to finish that year.

[TANAMAN]

Dockery was probably the worst, most expendable player on the line during that period. Now he'll probably be 3rd-best -- not because he's gotten better since then, but because everyone else on the line has gotten worse.

Are you serious? Dock was considered one of the top OG's in the game at the time he left. He was sought after by many teams and went to Buffalo because they made him at the time tied as the top paid offensive lineman in the league. We at that time had a dominant line and I'm not willing to argue the order of who was the best but to say he was ultimately the worst and expendable is asinine. If Kendall hadn't gotten into a rift with the Jets and wanted out you would've seen just what type of hole was left in that LG spot when Dock vacated it.

But as for the topic of discussion, Dock isn't necessarily a huge upgrade when it comes to his personal play on Sunday's, but he is when it comes to building a cohesive unit, due to the fact that he'll be on the practice field every day. The OL needs that time to communicate and gameplan for certain situations the DL puts them in during on field play, and you don't do that standing on the side watching practice. Plus he's going to be here for years to come and not retiring in a year or two, so just with that alone he's a better choice for the team.

[kiingspadee]

The reason I brought up the point of the fumble is quite simple. The question was is Dock an upgrade...and in HIGH SCHOOL your taught as an OL to DROP ON A FUMBLE! Don't make a play - just keep the ball for you offense. I don't see what's stupid about this.

[cphil006]

Honestly? 25% of the snaps? You started a thread to make that claim?

It's an upgrade, Kendall doesn't have much left and isn't a mauler. Kendall will provide nice depth/

[Buck812]

Dockery is a serious upgrade over Kendal. The last year he was here the left side of our line was just killing people. Just ask Betts!

[paloffs]

Dockery may not be as good as a healthy Kendall, but Kendall won't remain healthy thanks to his age.

Our team started great, but finished poorly. So did our offensive line. As the season progressed, our Oline declined causing us to go on that abysmal finish.

We can trust Dock a lot more to be healthy in week 15 than Kendall.
I don't recall Kendall missing games or performing poorly due to injuries?

yes

he's younger, faster, bigger

hi last 2 seasons in DC, where Samuels best of his career.
Didn't Portis joke about how they were unable to pull Dockery in the running game?

[IHOPSkins]

Doc here allows Kendall to possibly move to Center...and that would be an upgrade

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

However I would still like to re-sign Pete Kendall because I am not sure Randy Thomas can play up to starter level anymore and Kendall would be nice depth for both guard positions and behind Rabach too.


I totally agree......not sure how much it would cost us though.....

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

He had 2 false start penalties last season........


Wow, that's good to know. Dockery really only had 2 false starts all last season?

[REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE]

Kendall's health, even taken his knees into consideration, is better than that of Thomas's. Pete's been a machine and is the much more durable of the two. It's the right side of the line that needs a complete overhaul immediately IMO and the Center position soon thereafter. Thomas and Samuels are both recovering from major surgery - aside from his knees Kendall's been pretty healthy and productive. I'm not sure letting him walk is wise at this point. Thomas is the one I'm worried about personally.


Your exactly right, I forgot that the right side of our line was the weak side....

[turbodiesel#44]

The reason I brought up the point of the fumble is quite simple. The question was is Dock an upgrade...and in HIGH SCHOOL your taught as an OL to DROP ON A FUMBLE! Don't make a play - just keep the ball for you offense. I don't see what's stupid about this.Seriously, you are going to judge an NFL OG off that play?

[Koolblue13]

I hope he is a back up and not even the primary one. Now we really need Rhino to step up.

Portis having to push him out of the way, false starts, just not a good player. It's his third team for a reason.

[ABSTRACT]

Yes I think anything is an upgrade from Pete

[wildbill1952]

You can't teach 'young' or 'size'. And you can't teach 'speed' (which doesn't usually apply to OL). But at least you get the former with Dock and probably a little of the latter.

What you gain is that in game 16, the relatively young legs are still there. Neither Doc nor Kendall were known for their pulling ability. And firing out and cutting down a LB is something I hope to see from any linemen, but in truth, I only saw Thomas still doing it of last year's guards and center.

And hopefully and theoretically, an older, wiser, Dock has learned how to remember the snap count. (Maybe goes up to the LOS with that many fingers held up.)

We'll have to wait and see.

[KDawg]

Something here makes me wonder:

How qualified are we to determine how good our linemen are?

Most of us, when we watch the 'Skins, don't focus on the OL the entire game.

I've watched a few games on film and did one real evaluation that I posted here awhile ago. Other than that, my opinion is based firmly on the old eyeball test.

So, I can't tell you for sure if he's an upgrade, 100%. I'd say, based on a quick eyeball test, he's going to help us, but he's not a WCO lineman.

I'm not sure if Zorn even knows what he's doing with our offense at this point.

Zone blocking, man blocking, West Coast, etc, etc, etc.

We'll see.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

Dock is better by a lot!!!

[paloffs]

Seriously, you are going to judge an NFL OG off that play?
Lol. I know, right?

[cphil006]

If Blockhead loses some LB's and can pick up the zone blocking scheme AND cut the false start penalties, then he is.

The upper part of his head gets bigger. His brain must be huge.

[JoeKnowsBest]

False start.

Number 66.

Five yard penalty.

Replay down.

:doh:

That's not as bad as catching deflected passes an O-lineman has no bussiness catching, runing the wrong way, and then coughing up the football to the tune of 7 points for the opponent. ;)


Make no mistake though, I really like Pete Kendall and Derrick Dockery both.

[MattysRiff]

Seems to me Docks last year was filled with monstrous holes one the left side for Portis/Betts to run through. Since he's been gone you rarely see that, happy to have a bona fide 330+ bulldozer back on the line. I think playing next to Samuels helps him a lot as well.

Wish we could have added Stacey Andrews at RT, ah well. Runyan for a year anyone?

[flock53]

Add if doc can take a batted ball from the air and not fumble it, then he's an upgrade.
:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::h ysterical::hysterical: hes a mauler so, run game YES, passing, probably not, but I think YEs overall, cause we should run to not expose Campbell on early downs or 2nd and long and set up the playaction.

[MattysRiff]

Seems to me Docks last year was filled with monstrous holes one the left side for Portis/Betts to run through. Since he's been gone you rarely see that, happy to have a bona fide 330+ bulldozer back on the line. I think playing next to Samuels helps him a lot as well.

Wish we could have added Stacey Andrews at RT, ah well. Runyan for a year anyone?

[SKOALSKIN]

I don't recall Kendall missing games or performing poorly due to injuries?

Didn't Portis joke about how they were unable to pull Dockery in the running game?

Was that before or after he rushed for 1500 yds and 11 touchdowns. :doh:
Of course dockery is an upgrade. He's a better run blocker, he's bigger, and the all important factor he's younger. Kendall didn't miss action. But he never practiced towards the 2nd half of the season because he has arthritic knees. He was serviceable and gave us some good miles. If we can somehow wind up with Andrews from Bama. Then you can pencil in Portis for 1600-1700 yds.

[cphil006]

Doc here allows Kendall to possibly move to Center...and that would be an upgrade

huh? when has Kendall played center?

[RammsteinSkins]

I think he's an upgrade because of 2 reasons:

1.He's younger then Kendall with just as much or more talent which is a plus.

2.He has chemistry with the line from previous years which means they know each other's tendencies leading to less mistakes.

[cphil006]

Was that before or after he rushed for 1500 yds and 11 touchdowns. :doh:
Of course dockery is an upgrade. He's a better run blocker, he's bigger, and the all important factor he's younger. Kendall didn't miss action. But he never practiced towards the 2nd half of the season because he has arthritic knees. He was serviceable and gave us some good miles. If we can somehow wind up with Andrews from Bama. Then you can pencil in Portis for 1600-1700 yds.

you mean andre smith from Alabama?

[skins2victory]

Although Kendall is old, he played pretty solid the past two seasons for the Redskins. Dock is good but it seems he false starts on 25% of the snaps. Do you guys think he is an upgrade for sure?
I do like the fact that he weighs 350 pounds and adds more space to our O-line.

Kendall played great the first half of the season last year, one of the best on the line. But he was one of the reasons they did so bad in the 2nd half of the season. He is getting too old and gets banged up every game. By the last games of the year, it took every thing he had just to be on the feild playing, which I give him credit for because he has alot of heart. He missed ALOT of practices because he would rehab all week to try to play on sunday, but never was 100% after about week 3 probably. He will never play good all threw a year againe because he will never be even 80% all threw a year againe. This is why it was a good deal, we need players that can win in december and Doc should be able to do that for us!!!!!!!!!!!!:cheers:

[Emoshag]

I was never really upset over Kendall. And I gave him 2009. Now Jansen... thats a different story. Its our whole right side on 1/3 of the plays in a game....

[Spear]

Are you serious? Dock was considered one of the top OG's in the game at the time he left. He was sought after by many teams and went to Buffalo because they made him at the time tied as the top paid offensive lineman in the league. We at that time had a dominant line and I'm not willing to argue the order of who was the best but to say he was ultimately the worst and expendable is asinine. If Kendall hadn't gotten into a rift with the Jets and wanted out you would've seen just what type of hole was left in that LG spot when Dock vacated it.Dockery might have been an attractive option in Free Agency for the Bills that year (slim pickings, maybe?), but he was never and will never be one of the top guards in the game. He wasn't worth the money in 2007, so we let him walk. He didn't live up to his contract, so Buffalo cut him loose two years later. It's pretty cut and dry. He's not a stud.

CP once told Joe Gibbs that the 3 players that shouldn't have been allowed to leave were Antonio Pierce, Ryan Clark, and Robert Royal. No mention of the guy who was supposedly blowing massive holes open for him.

Dock is just good enough to start and that's about it. But I guess that's more than we can say about Jansen.

[stbabyy]

Is Dockery a WCO-type of offensive lineman? No.

But since we Zorn doesn't know what the hell kinda offense he's running.... who's to say.

All I have to say is.... if the offense stinks again this year.... Zorn HAS to go. We don't need Zorn to be a head coach here.... if his offense continues to stink and we're relying on our defense and DC to bail out the shortcomings of the HC/OC (Spurrier, Gibbs, Zorn).


Negative nancy

[ntotoro]

Yeah that's the only downside with Dockery, too many penalties.

That and being the Bellyflop King.

[NoleSkin21]

It might be a WCO, but the blocking schemes and run game hasn't changed from when Dock was here before. Buges still uses the same schemes.

[KDawg]

Except Zorn toyed with the zone rushing scheme at the end of the season. We ran that outside zone stretch play every play it seemed against Philly.

Didn't see much inside zone, though.

[turbodiesel#44]

Whether Dock is an immediate upgrade or not, no one can deny he is a long term upgrade. Pete is still able to contribute significantly, but he is fading and will be gone soon.

[NoleSkin21]

What does this mean for Rhinehart?

[twobags95]

He is younger and a better athlete. But that being said I will miss Pete's attitude.

[LoveDaSkins172645]

Maybe I am missing something but of course he is a upgrade. Everytime I saw Kendall he was being pushed backwards, or was beat to the gap. Kendall and Raybach are the reasons why CP can't break those long runs anymore. What we need now is a center and hope that Thomas and Heyer can be good on the right side of the line.

[paloffs]

Maybe I am missing something but of course he is a upgrade. Everytime I saw Kendall he was being pushed backwards, or was beat to the gap. Kendall and Raybach are the reasons why CP can't break those long runs anymore. What we need now is a center and hope that Thomas and Heyer can be good on the right side of the line.
Our RT spot is what's preventing us from having a passing game. If you want to blindly place trust in Heyer, then by all means. However, Heyer hasn't proven anything except to be injury prone and be pushed around just as much as Jansen. I'm hoping Heyer's able to contribute as a starter one day. However, before I see it, I wouldn't go into a season with him as the starter. ESPECIALLY with nobody to back Heyer up. Because even if Heyer has improved, he does get injured frequently.

[flexxskins]

Easily, we can start pulling again to both directionsIt's comments like this that I just don't understand.:doh:

It's like just because Dockery has been gone for a couple of seasons people have forgotten what one of the worst parts of Doc's game was...it was blocking while running or in open space for goodness sakes. The man was clumsy as hell, would often get blown up by safeties, cornerbacks and linebackers. All of these guys were more than or nearly half his size.

It has been suggested that the signing of Dockery is a great thing because Buges knows him so well. Well, what did that knowledge of Doc do for us the first go around? What's it going to do for us this go around?

BTW, Samuels saying that this is an upgrade should do nothing to bolster confidence in fans IMO. What else is he going to say about his friend returning to his side?

People here can go right ahead and pretend like they don't remember Dockery's Clumsyness, false starts, bad pass protection and lack of aggression...I however choose to live in reality.

[turbodiesel#44]

It's like just because Dockery has been gone for a couple of seasons people have forgotten what one of the worst parts of Doc's game was...The guy was a straight ahead snowplow. That's his game. Doubt too much has changed. If he were more athletic, we would probably have had him locked before FA.

[flexxskins]

The guy was a straight ahead snowplow. That's his game. Doubt too much has changed. If he were more athletic, we would probably have had him locked before FA.:applause:"Straight ahead snowplow". Now that is the perfect analolgy of Doc's game.

I'm sorry Derrick Dockery fans...the man is simply too one demensional to be getting so excited about.

[prufRock]

I think Dockery is probably a good pickup just from the standpoint of having a young, competent interior lineman on the roster. It's debatable whether he's the best fit for what the team is trying to do offensively, but he is an upgrade, in my mind.
It is a little disturbing that Snyder appeared to just jump at the option of signing him simply because he knew the name and wanted him back in D.C., even if he might be a better fit if Joe Gibbs were still coach. It just makes you wonder how much they're scouting other players for hidden gems or if they're just going with
a) superstars and
b) players who one guy on the staff knows from previous associations

[darrelgreenie]

Maybe I am missing something but of course he is a upgrade. Everytime I saw Kendall he was being pushed backwards, or was beat to the gap. Kendall and Raybach are the reasons why CP can't break those long runs anymore. What we need now is a center and hope that Thomas and Heyer can be good on the right side of the line.

I agree that the interior line was a problem last year.
I thought that Kendall was better then Rabach or Thomas last year,
but that isn't saying much Kendall is old and you gotta think that Dockery is better then him.
I hope the reason Dock was released was b/c of money and not performance.
I hate how quickly they ran to sign him, i hope we did our due diligence.

I would rather have Jason Brown but that's spilt milk at this point.

Anyway a line-up of:
LThttp://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/S/A/M/SAM708051.jpg LG http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/D/O/C/DOC404791.jpg C http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/R/A/B/RAB179616.jpg RG http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/T/H/O/THO322422.jpg/http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/R/I/N/RIN211738.jpg RT http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/H/E/Y/HEY078589.jpg

Hopefully Rinehart is ready to challenge and win the RG spot

And IMO we should draft a versatile multiple position backup G/C or T/C and challenger for a starting Center spot:
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/71239.jpg
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/antoine-caldwell?id=71239 Antoine Caldwell, OG (http://www.nfl.com/combine/players?filterType=positionGroup&filterCond=OL)



http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/71493.jpg
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/max-unger?id=71493 Max Unger, OL (http://www.nfl.com/combine/players?filterType=positionGroup&filterCond=OL)





has got to be better then what we had last year

[gobigred]

Chris Samuels thinks so

[DGREENHULK]

yes

he's younger, faster, bigger

hi last 2 seasons in DC, where Samuels best of his career.

Samuels has declined some over the past 2 years..I hope Dockery can give him a youth push over there on the left side...add a couple of productive years to Chris.

[Ernie5]

Yes, yes, and yes. An enormous upgrade, especially given that he's played for Bugel already.

[dockeryfan]

Everytime I saw Kendall he was being pushed backwards, or was beat to the gap.

I don't know what game you people watch. Kendall had a VERY good year last year. Rabach had a horrible one.

That being said, Dock is still an upgrade over Kendall. And for someone who said they hoped Dock can learn zone blocking, lol. Good on you for not realizing that zone blocking is one of Dock's strengths. I have purposely stayed out of this thread because of that kind of craziness.

[chaught76]

Kendall used to be a center in Arizona. Why not resign him for depth and see if he can beat Rabach our for the starting center position?

[eljeasel]

His last year here was by far his best year. Part of that was Dock playing for the contract (putting in work, losing about 20 LBs, working on his balance).

Part of that was Buges. Joe Bugel brought out the best from Dock. I expect good things from Dock. I also expect some false starts.

[HailGreen28]

I get the impression we could use Kendall somewhere else on the line. RG? RT? Anywhere but WR? ;)

At least Dock is young enough he ought to not "lose a step" as fast as Kendall will.