Pft: Titans to pursue tampering charges against redskins? (merged)

[benskins26]

In the press conference introducing newly-signed receiver Nate Washington and defensive tackle Jovan Hayehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#), Titans G.M. Mike Reindfeldt fielded a question as to whether the Titans might pursue tampering allegations against the Redskins regarding the signing of defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth.
“Yeah, I mean that’s something at some point that’s kind of . . . . We were interested in signing Albert,” Reinfeldt said. “We tried to sign him and unfortunately it didn’t work out. It’s always something we can address with the league (http://www.titansonline.com/news/newsmain_detail.php?PRKey=6637), but at this point in time we’re more focused on the two gentlemen here today, quite honestly.”
Hmmm.
It’s an open secret that NFL teams talk with the agents of players who are not yet free agents. Few teams ever complain because most teams are guilty of it.
In this case, the Titans might do it. Stay tuned.


I don't believe they'll do it, or be able to prove it. But still, ****! Imagine if we do lose our 1st. No first or 2nd? A tampering charge could singlehandidly set this team back another year.

[STBonecrusher21]

Sounds to me like it's not gonna happen. There weren't gonna be able to sign him back anyways. Get the **** over it.

[tml6157]

Boo freakin hoo Tennessee go ***** and cry somewhere else that he didn't want to go back to your organization

[SteveFromYellowstone]

In the press conference introducing newly-signed receiver Nate Washington and defensive tackle Jovan Hayehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#), Titans G.M. Mike Reindfeldt fielded a question as to whether the Titans might pursue tampering allegations against the Redskins regarding the signing of defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth.
“Yeah, I mean that’s something at some point that’s kind of . . . . We were interested in signing Albert,” Reinfeldt said. “We tried to sign him and unfortunately it didn’t work out. It’s always something we can address with the league (http://www.titansonline.com/news/newsmain_detail.php?PRKey=6637), but at this point in time we’re more focused on the two gentlemen here today, quite honestly.”
Hmmm.
It’s an open secret that NFL teams talk with the agents of players who are not yet free agents. Few teams ever complain because most teams are guilty of it.
In this case, the Titans might do it. Stay tuned.


I don't believe they'll do it, or be able to prove it. But still, ****! Imagine if we do lose our 1st. No first or 2nd? A tampering charge could singlehandidly set this team back another year.

We wouldn't lose a first.

[TaylorPickSix]

Didn't they say that Haynesworth had at least 7 offers? Why wouldn't they accuse everyone else of tampering too?

[SkinsNoles21]

that question was brought on by the media I feel like the Titans pretty much brushed it off.

[benskins26]

We wouldn't lose a first.

I thought that was the penalty. What is the penalty then?

[1972FAN]

So what, they have ZERO case, as stated His agent is Malcolm kellys also. So synder can talk to him all day.

[benskins26]

Yeah, I agree with all of yall. I dont think they have a chance in hell of proving it. But still, kinda scary a little bit.

[OVCChairman]

I dont see them doing anything... first off, how would they get proof? Check cell phone records? Then you're getting nitpicky because these guys who play NFL ball are all friends... I'm not too worried.

[STBonecrusher21]

Yeah, I agree with all of yall. I dont think they have a chance in hell of proving it. But still, kinda scary a little bit.

Oh most definately.

We're short on draft picks as it is now.

[zyvo23]

right... The reputation of Snyder/Vinny means they don't have to tamper. No agent worth his salt is gonna sign with any team without waiting for Vinny's ridiculous contract offer and deciding whether they want to get paid or win.

[terrifNick21]

Oh hell. I hope nothing happens. It would be the ***** ass Titans that pull some **** like this. Ugh. I hate them more and more each day.

[Genghis Khan]

The most I've ever seen taken away was a 5th round pick for when the 49ers tampered with Lance Briggs.

[Taylor 36]

They wouldn't go there. They know how the FA game is played, and they are quit aware of their past dealings.

[Duckus]

Impossible to prove. We have nothing to worry about.

There offer and our offer were miles apart, which makes this even more stupid.

[benskins26]

Impossible to prove. We have nothing to worry about.

There offer and our offer were miles apart, which makes this even more stupid.

yeah, definitely agree. they act like they were close to the offer we made. Sure, they wanted to resign him, but like the old adage says, "you can wish in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up first"

[sjinhan]

that question was brought on by the media I feel like the Titans pretty much brushed it off.

yeah it sounded like that to me as well... Titans and everyone else in the league know it goes on to certain degree... i think its PFT trying to stir something up out of nothing... Titans just ignored the question basically...

[turbodiesel#44]

I thought that was the penalty. What is the penalty then?
We won't lose anything. So long as that agent & Danny have common personnel, they could have been talking about anything. That will be the story anyway, and without a recording of the meeting, no one can prove otherwise.

[skinfan2k]

No agent would ever say they talked about it earlier because it ends their relationship with 32 teams otherwise

[IbleedBnG83]

JLC would love this.

[benskins26]

JLC would love this.

I was thinking the same thing. As soon as JLC gets wind of this, look for him to stir up the pot. Meanwhile, the Titans are pretty much brushing this off. that is, until our hometown hero gets on the case, citing a bunch of "sources" that make the Titans re-examine the issue. I can see it now. If this becomes a big deal, it will most likely be perpetrated by JLC.

[STBonecrusher21]

JLC would love this.

He'd probably dig up our phone records for the NFL just to get a story out of it.

[SeanTaylorLives]

No way they prove it even if the Titans pursued it. Plus, they were too cheap to sign him in the first place. Sour grapes, but my guess is we don't hear anything else about this.

[The Enforcer]

Didn't they say that Haynesworth had at least 7 offers? Why wouldn't they accuse everyone else of tampering too?


Good point. Honestly this all means nothing because its no secret that every team does this for high level FA's.

[iMeast]

They should just get rid of that rule already.

HTTR

[DexterSackMachine]

If you listen to the interview with Haynesworth on Michael Irvin's radio show and read peter King's story about Chris Canty's signing, I think you come to the conclusion that this is totally bogus.

First, the Titans never even made Haynesworth a formal offer, so how can they say they really intended to keep him?

Second, while King acknowledges that many teams talked in vague terms to agents about Free agents at the combine, the story he tells clearly shows that the Redskins weren't close to having any kind of deal in place before free agency started. In fact, at one point in the night Vinny declared AH too expensive, and said they were out of it.

[Mercuryrising]

right... The reputation of Snyder/Vinny means they don't have to tamper. No agent worth his salt is gonna sign with any team without waiting for Vinny's ridiculous contract offer and deciding whether they want to get paid or win.

Great point...

[Rocky52Mc]

Didn't they say that Haynesworth had at least 7 offers? Why wouldn't they accuse everyone else of tampering too?

cuss we signed him

[AAARedskin]

I really think the office of Roger Goodell would laugh at such charges, and ask the Titans why they didn't sign him themselves.....after all, they had WEEKS and WEEKS (actually MONTHS) to put a deal together that the player could have accepted, etc.

[Soup]

Is it me or does PTF hate the redskins. I've read a lot of negative stuff on there about the skins.

As for the tampering, Ha Ha live with it Titans and PTF

[SD Skins fan]

Sounds like the Titans are just trying to cover their ass with the fanbase. Make it look like they had AH taken from them instead of admitting he didn't want to stay there anymore.

[Tennessee Ed]

that question was brought on by the media I feel like the Titans pretty much brushed it off.

Muchtoodoaboutnothing. Mr.Haynesworth was not going to be in the Titans plans this year. Did you read their offer to him last year? Five options to void the franchise tag, and all were considered likely to be achieved. Titans have a history of letting defensive lineman leave a year too early, rather then a year too late.
See Javon Kearse, Randy Starkes, Travis LaBoy, etc.:nono::excited:

[Flycoach]

Only way to prove it is if AH or his agent spills the beans. They have no reason to. I believe this will prove to be a non-issue.

[A Skinhead in Saints Land]

Muchtoodoaboutnothing. Mr.Haynesworth was not going to be in the Titans plans this year. Did you read their offer to him last year? Five options to void the franchise tag, and all were considered likely to be achieved. Titans have a history of letting defensive lineman leave a year too early, rather then a year too late.
See Javon Kearse, Randy Starkes, Travis LaBoy, etc.:nono::excited:
Apparently they let Kearse go 1 year early then decided to bring him back about 5 years too late:D

[JuicyJ]

Here's an update from earlier this afternoon. According to PFT, the Titans are pursuing this & moving forward with the tampering case....

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/07/titans-moving-forward-with-tampering-case-against-redskins/

:saber:

[twenty-eight]

What kind of punishment did SF face after they tampered with Briggs?

[SkinsMaster88]

What kind of punishment did SF face after they tampered with Briggs?

Lost a 5th-round pick. And also swapped 1st rounders from 7th to 12th.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3310056

[RenegadeTK]

i doubt it happens. though with the reports that came out, it almost seems like there had to be tampering.... even though it still would have happened inevitably

[SkinsMaster88]

I will say though, I don't see where they're going to get the evidence. It's not like we agreed to Haynesworth's deal at 12:01. It was almost 5:30 am. There were multiple teams offering him something. If we had wrapped up Haynesworth's deal before FA opened, then we wouldn't have even bothered to schedule an appointment for Canty to come in.

Everyone involved has enough excuses and alibis that this shouldn't result in league disciplinary action.

[spjunkies]

Cry me, cry me
Cry me, cry me

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Cry me, cry me
Cry me, cry me

[downbeat87]

this is total crap.

i mean YEAH we do what we want...

[Burgundy Burner]

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[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Every NFL team tampers...who are they kidding?

Oh yeah, **** Tennessee.

[tibbidoe]

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/03/07/titans-think-redskins-tampered-with-albert-haynesworth/#cont

Is this anything to be concerned about?

[RedlightG20]

Already a thread on this.

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=281913

[tibbidoe]

Sorry, I didn't see it.

[Raub]

Tennessee wasn't going to re-sign him. It's a non-issue.

[BigMike619]

I dont see them doing anything... first off, how would they get proof? Check cell phone records? Then you're getting nitpicky because these guys who play NFL ball are all friends... I'm not too worried.

agreed.

its just their way of trying to take a shot at the Skins because they lost.

[corrupt3d]

Lost a 5th-round pick. And also swapped 1st rounders from 7th to 12th.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3310056


Difference is, the Niners contacted Rosenhaus DURING the season.

[The Bounty Hunter #21]

Yes..Pure Jealousy

[Skinsfor4]

Waaaaah Waaaaaaah Waaaaaaaaaaah!

[Peregrine]

It is a different article with different details, so it isn't exactly the same thing.

[BigMike619]

could probably still merge them though...

[terrifNick21]

oh yeah, **** tennessee.

+1000000

[HA1LV1CT0RY]

Didn't they say that Haynesworth had at least 7 offers? Why wouldn't they accuse everyone else of tampering too?

Because 7 other teams didn't sit down with his agent then sign him the next day.

But it's all speculation, the titans are just whiny bitches.

[PrimetimeSkins26]

**** you Titans.



Let the filters do their job. Thanks.

[bikie]

I love that these guys are bitching about something they had a year to do ...

[SAli457180]

I am just wondering what would the Skins would lose as far as picks are concerned if they are found guilty of tampering? I hope it's not any of the picks this year given that they only have four.

[paloosa]

None issue. It would have happened by now and the way he addressed it tells me they aren't going to do it.

[Burgundy Burner]

The only thing this is designed to do is send Dan Snyder a message - and he will ignore it.

florio is grasping at straws.

[Westbrook36]

This is going to be awesome.

[Park City Skins]

This is going to be awesome.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/jayman42/fishing.jpg

[bubba9497]

hmmmm, what about the Bucs and giants?

[corrupt3d]

This is going to be awesome.



Almost as awesome as the Iggles losing out on Brian Dawkins.


Almost.

:eaglesuck

[bulldog]

Bud Adams is cheap. He could have signed Haynesworth to a new contract in 2007 OR 2008 but chose to franchise him and make him play out the tender. That rarely works out in the player staying with the team.

Adams is the same guy that prevented Steve McNair from using the Titans facilities to rehab from his knee injury because he was slated to be a free agent. And that was after all McNair had done in Tennessee to help the team win over 11 seasons.

Jeff Fisher is an excellent coach but the rest of that organization is questionable at best in terms of their own ethics.

Good luck proving tampering in a case where it took almost 5 hours of telecon for the Redskins to work out a deal with Haynesworth.

It's not like the deal was sent into the league office at 1am all completed :laugh:

[SkinsOrlando]

Sour grapes, nothing more, nothing less.

[HighOnHendrix]

right... The reputation of Snyder/Vinny means they don't have to tamper. No agent worth his salt is gonna sign with any team without waiting for Vinny's ridiculous contract offer and deciding whether they want to get paid or win.

Now that's funny.

[Justsomeguy]

No matter what they won't be getting Big Al back.
Hahaha

[4skins23]

too bad titans aren't in our division. This definitely has the making of a rivalry and some bad blood amongst the fans. Why not the cowgirls?:chair:

[BillyKilmer]

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/03/07/titans-think-redskins-tampered-with-albert-haynesworth/

The Tennessee Titans believe that the Washington Redskins broke the NFL's tampering rules in their signing of Albert Haynesworth, and now the only question is whether they can prove it to Commissioner Roger Goodell.

Jim Wyatt of the Nashville Tennessean is reporting that the Titans are interested in pursuing the charges. That's no surprise: Reports swirled in the days before free agency opened that the Redskins and Haynesworth already had a deal in place. That would be a textbook example of a violation of tampering rules.

But can the Titans prove it? We know that Haynesworth's agent was spotted talking to Redskins owner Daniel Snyder at the NFL Scouting Combine, but that doesn't prove anything. And Haynesworth says he didn't hear anything from the Redskins until four minutes after the free agency period officially started.

Of course, last year, most people thought the evidence that the 49ers tampered with Lance Briggs was fairly flimsy. That didn't stop Goodell from ruling that the 49ers had, in fact, tampered -- and from giving the Bears one of the 49ers' draft picks.

The Titans aren't making a big deal out of this publicly, other than Titans general manager Mike Reinfeldt saying, "It's always something we can address with the league.'' You can bet Goodell will hear more than that.

[Skinsinparadise]

One thing here is there were rumors it will be the Skins, and it would be a 100 million contract -- pretty much what happened. There were no rumors that I can recall for example about the Giants. One of the articles purported that the Bears didn't have much on the 49ers relating to Briggs/tampering but the Bears were awarded a pick anyway.

If we lose a pick hope its not this draft. Snyder isn't depicted as a warm and fuzzy type so I don't how nice the NFL is going to be to him in this case

[Chief skin]

titans knew he was not worth the money he wanted, danny got taken again

[Rocky21]

This will happen when monkeys fly out of Madonna's butt. :bsflag:

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Almost as awesome as the Iggles losing out on Brian Dawkins.

Almost as awesome as your team winning the Super Bowl.

:idea: Oh wait, he wouldn't know about that....

:nana:

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

titans knew he was not worth the money he wanted, danny got taken again
Actually, Albert IS worth the money he got. :)

[onnie007]

I'd say good luck to the Titans in proving their case. :D

[skeenzfan]

right... The reputation of Snyder/Vinny means they don't have to tamper. No agent worth his salt is gonna sign with any team without waiting for Vinny's ridiculous contract offer and deciding whether they want to get paid or win.

Couldn't agree more. All you have to do is read the SI article by Peter King to see how the Canty negotiations went down. The agent says at one point " washington was on the top of our list. They pay well and they pay fast. " The agents job is to get the biggest possible offer for his client and any agent worth his money is going to get in touch with the skins.

[Milkbone Jackson]

I'd say good luck to the Titans in proving their case. :D

Rock's not helping:

http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/3/11/789883/rock-cartwright-is-not-sma

[Thinking Skins]

**** you Titans.



Let the filters do their job. Thanks.

haha, nice.

[SirClintonPortis]

Rock's not helping:

http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/3/11/789883/rock-cartwright-is-not-sma
Let's cut Rock then. After all, there's need for a home run threat RB anyway....

[Thinking Skins]

Rock's not helping:

http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/3/11/789883/rock-cartwright-is-not-sma

Does this really count though? I mean we all knew they had been talking. There was an article about it. But nobody can testify about it being a conversation about kelly or haynesworth....well everybody will say it was about Kelly. So what can they prove?

[Rocky52Mc]

I say let the NFL take Rock away from us for tampering.. :D

[Chachie]

I figure in the worst case the league will take some draft picks from us. Our front office doesn't care about draft picks anyway, right? :cool:

[AJWatson3]

So as far as the Titans having a problem with re-signing Haynesworth... was the problem that we tampered with he and his agent, or was the problem that they didn't offer enough freakin' money?

Seems like if they wanted to keep they should have opened up the vault. It's not like they couldn't have negotiated with him and offered him a blockbuster deal at any time over the past 2 seasons.

[jetman20_1986]

I mean if they were tampering would they have sign him at 12:01 am instead of waiting til 4 or 5 in the morning. the rock thing is a non issue