Does ES Have Any Effect?

[Reaganaut]

You know what I mean. I can't help saying this out loud, but I have a sneaking suspicion we KILLED Jim Fassel. We got burned on draft with no lineman and have eaten openings where no openings have previously existed. Now they are into lineman big time. What gives?

[Califan007]

We have zero effect...and you all should pray that we have zero effect.

[Burgundy Burner]

But Colt Brennan is not the starter.

[Reaganaut]

But Colt Brennan is not the starter.

Now, my friend. Now...

[Reaganaut]

We have zero effect...and you all should pray that we have zero effect.

Reality. They are a PR machine nothing more. We MUST have an effect if this team has any chance.

[IbleedBnG83]

This has been brought up a million times about the board.

Bottom line, from what I gather, the Redskins have "people" (marketing peeps) that gauge reactions from fans in many ways. I am sure this is one of their "sources". I'm sure they take what we say here with a grain of salt.

Most of us have knee jerk reactions anyways.

[SkipJackSkin]

We have zero effect...and you all should pray that we have zero effect.
my thoughts exactly.

some of the genius ideas of people on here sometimes keep me up night. :chair:

[Reaganaut]

We have zero effect...and you all should pray that we have zero effect.

Ok, here's a ZERO effect scenario then. I say we should benchmark our organization off the Indianapolis Colts in all respects including hiring Tony Dungy out of retirement. Are you going to pray I have zero effect?

[onnie007]

We have absolutely no effect. I thought we might have had a little affect with the coach hiring but it was not enough to keep GW here so we have no effect.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Does ES Have Any Effect?

Two words:
JIM FASSEL!

After that episode, in instances when we react to such an extent it scares the living **** out of Snyder he may lose valued custom, then Hell yes we do!

But I'd temper that with ONLY when there's such an out cry as in last years HC search. Hence why I voted #2.

Most any other time he couldn't give a flying **** about his "customers."

Hail.

[Reaganaut]

Does ES Have Any Effect?

Two words:
JIM FASSEL!

After that episode, in instances when we react to such an extent it scares the living **** out of Snyder he may lose valued custom, then Hell yes we do!

But I'd temper that with ONLY when there's such an out cry as in last years HC search. Hence why I voted #2.

Hail.

I'm with you on that. We KILLED Fassel. No question. It was the timing of the entire thing.

[bubba9497]

local media sometimes lifts article ideas frm threads on ES

the team, may check in to get the pulse of the fans, bt not as a means to find answers to questions about the team.

[Reaganaut]

We have absolutely no effect. I thought we might have had a little affect with the coach hiring but it was not enough to keep GW here so we have no effect.

I'm not so sure of that. Do you think Snyder values Cerrato more than himself? No, Cerrato is non-negotiable for the time being. He will go when all else fails. He bailed on VC for Marty. It can happen again.

[Califan007]

Reality. They are a PR machine nothing more. We MUST have an effect if this team has any chance.
Trust me, you do NOT want your owner or GM making personnel decisions based on the constantly changing whims of emotional fans who think they know a lot more than they really do.

[2006Skins]

No way, and I pray to God that ES never does.

If we did, then Campbell would be cut and resigned every other day, and the oline would be filled with no named kids who noone outside of this forum ever heard of. But we'd at least have youth on the oline.

[Califan007]

Ok, here's a ZERO effect scenario then. I say we should benchmark our organization off the Indianapolis Colts in all respects including hiring Tony Dungy out of retirement. Are you going to pray I have zero effect?
I always will pray you have zero effect. You're nothing more than a fan who might occasionally come up with a good idea, and on those occasions when you do it's probably an idea that has already been thought of by the owner, front office men and coaches.

Please, for the love of God, never let ANYTHING Reaganaut thinks be the basis for any of the moves the Redskins make. Amen.

[Califan007]

Does ES Have Any Effect?

Two words:
JIM FASSEL!

After that episode, in instances when we react to such an extent it scares the living **** out of Snyder he may lose valued custom, then Hell yes we do!

But I'd temper that with ONLY when there's such an out cry as in last years HC search. Hence why I voted #2.

Most any other time he couldn't give a flying **** about his "customers."

Hail.
You're naive as hell if you think Snyder worried about losing the "valued custom" (I'm assuming you meant customer lol)...and you're even MORE naive if you think the Skins would have lost ANY "valued customers" if Fassel was hired. Please.

[bubba9497]

You're naive as hell if you think Snyder worried about losing the "valued custom" (I'm assuming you meant customer lol)...and you're even MORE naive if you think the Skins would have lost ANY "valued customers" if Fassel was hired. Please.


This was spin by JLC to cover his butt after wrongly proclaiming Fassell was the next coach.

the "but, but,... he was going to be the next head coach until the fans got upset" defense

[Reaganaut]

Trust me, you do NOT want your owner or GM making personnel decisions based on the constantly changing whims of emotional fans who think they know a lot more than they really do.

Whims... you are out of your mind. I know a lot about Quality Assurance and you benchmark off of the best in the business. This team has NEVER gone for lineman EVER until the uproar of this last season. You can think what you want, but I see a HECK of a coincidence if nothing else. Emotional fans... when the emperor isn't wearing a stitch of clothing, you will be his last defender. I'm sure MM in Detroit had his defenders until the end...

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

You're naive as hell if you think Snyder worried about losing the "valued custom" (I'm assuming you meant customer lol)...and you're even MORE naive if you think the Skins would have lost ANY "valued customers" if Fassel was hired. Please.

The mere threat of a total backlash so against something is a powerful enough tool.

Call it what you may, but the way that went down, and hearing Fassel himself since more or less confirming he was all but signed, nothing will convince me the fan reaction didn't hold ultimate sway there.

Hail.

*And I did mean "customer", which is an insult in it's self that he arrogantly looks upon us as such.

[Califan007]

Whims... you are out of your mind. I know a lot about Quality Assurance and you benchmark off of the best in the business. This team has NEVER gone for lineman EVER until the uproar of this last season.
yeah, it had nothing to do with watching game film or studying the results and statistics of the season, or even who was avaible in the free agency market. Nor did Vinny saying LAST YEAR that the Skins really wanted a stud DT play a role in their decision making. And it definitely was not the fact that a stud DT like Haynesworth wasn't available last year, but was this year.

No, it was all "fan uproar" that did it lol...wow.





You can think what you want, but I see a HECK of a coincidence if nothing else. Emotional fans... when the emperor isn't wearing a stitch of clothing, you will be his last defender. I'm sure MM in Detroit had his defenders until the end...
This is why everyone here should pray that our owner, whoever he may be, never lets fans dictate his actions when it comes to the team and personnel. We're delusional lol...we think we know more than we do, we think we're better businessmen than those businessmen making hundreds of millions of dollars, and we think the key to success in the NFL is yelling loud enough. Great recipe for success, there. :thumbsup:

[Reaganaut]

The mere threat of a total backlash so against something is a powerful enough tool.

Call it what you may, but the way that went down, and hearing Fassel himself since more or less confirming he was all but signed, nothing will convince me the fan reaction didn't hold ultimate sway there.

Hail.

*And I did mean "customer", which is an insult in it's self that he arrogantly looks upon us as such.

Hate to agree with the last sentence, but one of my buddies worked for Snyder in the late 80's when he was nobody. My friend used to refer to Snyder in anti-semitic terms as "A Jew who gives all Jews a bad name." So, let's not gloss this over. He's a Kiss-butt to people who have a reputation and he stomps on everyone else except his close buddies. He may be crazy, but he's not a complete imbecile. My observation.

[Califan007]

The mere threat of a total backlash so against something is a powerful enough tool.
WHAT backlash? Or are you really thinking that Skins fans would stay away in droves if Fassel was on the sidelines? Because there is no way in freakin' hell that would EVER happen. As frustrated as we were with Norv, did the Skins start having half-empty stadiums because of it? No. As irritating as Spurrier was, did the Redskins start having to cut ticket prices in half just to get people to show up to game? No.

The Cardinals, on the other hand, actually had BOTH of those things. And had it for years. Never did any good for improving the team. Nobody went to Cardinals games. And year after year they kept going 5-11. This idea that a fear of fans not showing up automatically translates into making better decisions is a fantasy.

We both know damn well that everyone here was gonna watch every game and go to as many games as possible, regardless of who was prowling the sidelines. Let's not pretend otherwise.





Call it what you may, but the way that went down, and hearing Fassel himself since more or less confirming he was all but signed, nothing will convince me the fan reaction didn't hold ultimate sway there.

Hail.

*And I did mean "customer", which is an insult in it's self that he arrogantly looks upon us as such.
Yeah, and Kelllen Winslow Jr claimed that we all but told him "don't worry, you're our guy at the #5 spot!" lol...Then again, maybe Snyder and the FO regularly lead people to thinking they're a bigger part of the Skins plans than they really are.

And again, IF Snyder really DID pull his offer to Fassel off the table because of "fan uproar", he needs to go, pronto. It would not be a sign of how much power we fans have...it would be a sign of how incredibly weak our owner is. Only delusional fans would want an owner weak enough to manipulate.

[morpheusmeyers]

This was spin by JLC to cover his butt after wrongly proclaiming Fassell was the next coach.

the "but, but,... he was going to be the next head coach until the fans got upset" defense

That's what I thought, too. JLC jumped the gun, then had to backpedal with an excuse.

[Reaganaut]

yeah, it had nothing to do with watching game film or studying the results and statistics of the season, or even who was avaible in the free agency market. Nor did Vinny saying LAST YEAR that the Skins really wanted a stud DT play a role in their decision making. And it definitely was not the fact that a stud DT like Haynesworth wasn't available last year, but was this year.

No, it was all "fan uproar" that did it lol...wow.

Fan uproar last year, in case you don't remember, wasn't primarily about lineman for the most part. It was about Jim Fassel being the next Skins coach instead of Gregg Williams. There was no possible way Williams would be hired for some reason (probably the same reason as why Cerrato remains the GM.) The Skins's glaring need was on offense due to crummy receiving yards in 2007 and they went overkill on that problem. Cerrato said at the time that lineman are always available in the late rounds and that the Skins wouldn't focus on lineman in the future.


This is why everyone here should pray that our owner, whoever he may be, never lets fans dictate his actions when it comes to the team and personnel. We're delusional lol...we think we know more than we do, we think we're better businessmen than those businessmen making hundreds of millions of dollars, and we think the key to success in the NFL is yelling loud enough. Great recipe for success, there. :thumbsup:

Ted Leonsis is a better businessman than Dan Snyder hands down. Always was and always will be. He's also a HUMBLE man who knows his limitations. Ted talked to fans openly and was willing to trade blows at one point. He is succeeding because of his superior business principles and humility. He LISTENED TO FANS. So, whatever you say goes completely against a major success story in the same city. Sorry, I reject what you are saying.

[Califan007]

This was spin by JLC to cover his butt after wrongly proclaiming Fassell was the next coach.

the "but, but,... he was going to be the next head coach until the fans got upset" defense
There's probably some real truth to that...

[TheREALJBird]

Damn I sure hope not:doh:.

[Califan007]

Fan uproar last year, in case you don't remember, wasn't primarily about lineman for the most part. It was about Jim Fassel being the next Skins coach instead of Gregg Williams. There was no possible way Williams would be hired for some reason (probably the same reason as why Cerrato remains the GM.)
Ah, so Snyder picks and chooses those moments when he caves into fans, and when he doesn't give a **** what fans think? Very convenient lol...Fans want Vinny GONE. He stays. Fans want GW as head coach, and say the players want him as head coach, too. He's gone. Both of these things caused a helluva lot of fan uproar over the years. Neither of these decisions seemed to be effected by that fan uproar, though.




The Skins's glaring need was on offense due to crummy receiving yards in 2007 and they went overkill on that problem. Cerrato said at the time that lineman are always available in the late rounds and that the Skins wouldn't focus on lineman in the future.
He also specifically said the Skins needed a stud DT far more than they needed help at the DE position. Which precludes signing AH this year...it shows that a stud DT was always in their plans. We shouldn't chalk up the AH signing to fan uproar in any way, shape or form.






Ted Leonsis is a better businessman than Dan Snyder hands down. Alway was and always will be. He's also a HUMBLE man who knows his limitations. Ted talked to fans openly and was willing to trade blows at one point. He is succeeding because of his superior business principles and humility. He LISTENED TO FANS. So, whatever you say goes completely against a major success story in the same city. Sorry, I reject what you are saying.
Talk about a PR machine lol...yes, since an owner says he "listens to fans", it must mean that he sometimes lets those fans' opinions dictate who he hires, who he fires, who he signs, etc. I'm sure Snyder listens to fans as well. But there's a HUGE difference between listening to fans, and letting fans dictate your actions. I would bet 10 years salary that Leonsis has never let fan opinion dictate one important decision involving his team, players or coaches. Not. One.

But, hey, it sure makes the fans feel important to tell them that he "listens"...

[McD5]

It would be nice if we did.

The mediocrity that plauges this organization shows we have little, if any effect at all.

Why does Stan Hixon have a job again? He is the best we can get?

I will throw out a challenge.......a sig challenge.

If anyone of the 80,000 or so members here can give one convincing argument why Stan Hixon is our wide receivers coach, as opposed to another candidate, I will wear your name in my sig for the next calendar year.

80,000 people.

And not one can come up with a single, non-comical reason why that guy is on our staff.

[NattyLight]

My good buddy's head's so big, that when we take him to the beach we actually calculate in minutes how the ocean tide is affected by its massiveness. The largest shift from the predicted baseline was 17 minutes.

In short, galactically speaking, a human head shifted gravitational reality. Therefore, posts constructed on this website exert absolutely zero bearing over the Redskins day-to-day operations.

[Reaganaut]

Ah, so Snyder picks and chooses those moments when he caves into fans, and when he doesn't give a **** what fans think? Very convenient lol...Fans want Vinny GONE. He stays. Fans want GW as head coach, and say the players want him as head coach, too. He's gone. Both of these things caused a helluva lot of fan uproar over the years. Neither of these decisions seemed to be effected by that fan uproar, though.

You seem to forget he already dumped Vinny when he hired Marty. Marty blew Snyder's mind so he was willing to go with the flow and nuke Vinny. I guarantee you that he would jettison him again in a heartbeat in the right circumstances. If fans were in enough of an uproar, Vinny would be expendable, trust me.


He also specifically said the Skins needed a stud DT far more than they needed help at the DE position. Which precludes signing AH this year...it shows that a stud DT was always in their plans. We shouldn't chalk up the AH signing to fan uproar in any way, shape or form.

People were CLAMORING about the defensive line for YEARS. We drafted a frigging Quarterback trading away a first round pick. No, that was brewing for a long long time, even when Spurrier was around. I think he has not given a crap about fans until NOW. That's what I'm saying. The explosions are getting close to headquarters now.


Talk about a PR machine lol...yes, since an owner says he "listens to fans", it must mean that he sometimes lets those fans' opinions dictate who he hires, who he fires, who he signs, etc. I'm sure Snyder listens to fans as well. But there's a HUGE difference between listening to fans, and letting fans dictate your actions. I would bet 10 years salary that Leonsis has never let fan opinion dictate one important decision involving his team, players or coaches. Not. One.

But, hey, it sure makes the fans feel important to tell them that he "listens"...

Strangely, I also know a couple people who have known Leonsis for a very long time. He manages well. He's inclusive, and yes I'm sure he doesn't let fans dictate his decisions day to day. BUT, he is a humble man. He knows his limitations. He knows his fans. I'd take your ten years salary bet he has let fans influence him, why would he set up an open email box otherwise? Are you saying Leonsis is a phony? I know different.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

WHAT backlash? Or are you really thinking that Skins fans would stay away in droves if Fassel was on the sidelines? Because there is no way in freakin' hell that would EVER happen. As frustrated as we were with Norv, did the Skins start having half-empty stadiums because of it? No. As irritating as Spurrier was, did the Redskins start having to cut ticket prices in half just to get people to show up to game? No.

The Cardinals, on the other hand, actually had BOTH of those things. And had it for years. Never did any good for improving the team. Nobody went to Cardinals games. And year after year they kept going 5-11. This idea that a fear of fans not showing up automatically translates into making better decisions is a fantasy.

We both know damn well that everyone here was gonna watch every game and go to as many games as possible, regardless of who was prowling the sidelines. Let's not pretend otherwise.


Nice rant, and I wouldn't disagree at all with what would of happened.

But you could of saved yourself the time and noted the "mere THREAT" in my post.

When your customers, in this case more or less your whole fan base, reacts in the manner it did to the news that Fassel was even being considered, let alone anything else, that alone is a big enough threat to make you stop and reevaluate the situation.



And again, IF Snyder really DID pull his offer to Fassel off the table because of "fan uproar", he needs to go, pronto. It would not be a sign of how much power we fans have...it would be a sign of how incredibly weak our owner is. Only delusional fans would want an owner weak enough to manipulate.

Again, in principle, I'm with you all the way down the line. Sentiment can't come into business, neither mind football, at any level. When you start basing things on what your fan base demands, your on a downward spiral to calamity.

But in practice, as Snyder pertains to us, the counter argument would be that our "wonderful" owner sure has done well by this once great franchise the going on 10 years of his ownership by doing it "his way" huh? :doh:

Hail.

[Reaganaut]

My good buddy's head's so big, that when we take him to the beach we actually calculate in minutes how the ocean tide is affected by its massiveness. The largest shift from the predicted baseline was 17 minutes.

In short, galactically speaking, a human head shifted gravitational reality. Therefore, posts constructed on this website exert absolutely zero bearing over the Redskins day-to-day operations.

Disagree. When there's a hurricane off the coast and all computer models predict a landfall category five within thirty miles of your butt, then you get in your helicopter and head to the airport to Redskin One.

[Califan007]

Nice rant, and I wouldn't disagree at all with what would of happened.

But you could of saved yourself the time and noted the "mere THREAT" in my post.

When your customers, in this case more or less your whole fan base, reacts in the manner it did to the news that Fassel was even being considered, let alone anything else, that alone is a big enough threat to make you stop and reevaluate the situation.
That's my point...there WAS no threat TO consider. Snyder's no idiot, regardless of what people may think. That supposed "threat" was much like a 5 year old threatening to hold his breath until he gets what he wants lol...smart parents will let him hold his breath, knowing that it will be short lived and he'll start breathing again in about 20 seconds. ;)

Snyder knew having Fassel as coach wouldn't change fan behavior in any noticeable way. It's kind of like those fans who felt the only reason he hired Gibbs to come back was as a PR move. The idea that he had been trying to get Gibbs back ever since gaining ownership of the Redskins didn't matter...it was all PR and trying to massage the angry fans after the Spurrier years. Yeah, right.






Again, in principle, I'm with you all the way down the line. Sentiment can't come into business, neither mind football, at any level. When you start basing things on what your fan base demands, your on a downward spiral to calamity.

But in practice, as Snyder pertains to us, the counter argument would be that our "wonderful" owner sure has done well by this once great franchise the going on 10 years of his ownership by doing it "his way" huh? :doh:

Hail.
Well, I'll say this: things have indeed improved since Snyder took over from how things were after Gibbs first left. A lot of us seem to just gloss over the Norv years, and few of our more delusional brethren even romanticize those years, and how well we would have done had Snyder just kept Turner on lol :doh:...But our drafts have been better, our winning percentage has been better, and we've had more division titles and playoff appearances under Snyder than we did in the 5-6 years between his arrival and Gibbs' retirement.

For all the ESers who I know will do this, NO, I'm not saying that "everything's fine" lol :cool:...but I'm not going to pretend that things have gotten worse under Snyder, either.

[Califan007]

You seem to forget he already dumped Vinny when he hired Marty. Marty blew Snyder's mind so he was willing to go with the flow and nuke Vinny. I guarantee you that he would jettison him again in a heartbeat in the right circumstances. If fans were in enough of an uproar, Vinny would be expendable, trust me.
Exactly my point...Snyder dumped Vinny NOT because of anything having to do with the fans. He dumped Vinny because he wanted Marty just THAT badly at the time. Fan reaction or fan uproar played no part in it. And since this thread is about the effect fans have on the team, I think this helps prove my point, actually lol :D

So, yeah, if somewhere down the road Snyder ends up hiring Cowher and Cowher says "fire Vinny and I'll work for you", Vinny will most likely be gone. But a bunch of fans moaning and complaining about Vinny? Blah. Absolutely no effect whatsoever.






People were CLAMORING about the defensive line for YEARS. We drafted a frigging Quarterback trading away a first round pick. No, that was brewing for a long long time, even when Spurrier was around. I think he has not given a crap about fans until NOW. That's what I'm saying. The explosions are getting close to headquarters now.
EXACTLY MY POINT LoL :)...If fans have been clamoring for years about the DLine, and they never really addressed it, that just means that the fans had ZERO effect on their decision to get AH. But Haynesworth's availability playes a HUGE role in deciding to go all out and address it this offseason. I mean, the fan uproar after the 2006 season concerning the Dline easily dwarfed whatever fan complaints that occurred this offseason. Remember the "worst DLine in the history of the NFL" comments that were being thrown around at the time? Remember the absolute hatred too many fans on here showed after the draft when we didn't pick a DLineman and instead picked Landry? I do. Yet they don't go out and get that stud DLineman until now?...Doesn't that tell you something?

Trust me, fan reaction played zero role in AH's signing. Everything seems to point to that fact.







Strangely, I also know a couple people who have known Leonsis for a very long time. He manages well. He's inclusive, and yes I'm sure he doesn't let fans dictate his decisions day to day. BUT, he is a humble man. He knows his limitations. He knows his fans. I'd take your ten years salary bet he has let fans influence him, why would he set up an open email box otherwise? Are you saying Leonsis is a phony? I know different.
He sets up a open email box because, yes, he wants to hear what the fans have to say. But again, wanting to hear what the fans think, and letting what the fans think dictate your actions, are two entirely different things altogether. Or do you think that the decisions he's made during his tenure as owner would not have been made if that "open email box" had not been there? If he's really a good owner, he would have made those decisions regardless.

[mo808]

Does ES have any effect? I really didn't think so, but then Jason Taylor was released--so maybe our voice is heard! But, irregardless--I would hope no one but ES fans reads what is written here because I wouldn't want my business to be dictated by a bunch of hysterical fans who've never played, coached or owned a franchise, eh?:)

[Mark The Homer]

MHO: One to two percent effect.

[Burgold]

I think there is an influence. I think if you have thousands upon thousands of consumers, knowledgible consumers all shouting the same thing you tend to perk your ears and listen. If the battle cry is loud enough it makes you look and see if there's some there there.

After all, sometimes you can be a little too close to the subject and miss things. Now, I wouldn't say that any poster other than me has any specific effect on Front Office thinking, but we know that 'skins do read the board and front office guys do as well. (Shame on some of you posters by the way) and I would not be surprised if we planted a seed or two.

[NewCliche21]

We have no effect on anything at all.

Have you seen how many "WTF?!" reactions we've had on this board to so many things? Our opinions are worthless as they really should be ten out of nine times.

[NAC386]

This seems like a silly question.


We have NO influence on the team at all, it is ludicrous to think we do. There are MILLIONS of redskins fans, and we make up a pretty small portion of those fans. Nobody cares what we think, and they are absolutely right because people on here know nothing that goes on behind the scenes. All of our ideas are based on casual observation, while the people at Redskin park actually know players and staff on a personal level, as well as have inside information about others around the league.

They do not care what we think.

[DGREENHULK]

I think ES has "some" effect and the front office "should" take into account how the fans feel about certain moves concerning the team....but in the overall scheme of things I think the impact is minimal. Afterall if ES did run the Skins Colt would be a player-coach.

[Taylor 36]

Trust me, you do NOT want your owner or GM making personnel decisions based on the constantly changing whims of emotional fans who think they know a lot more than they really do.
Thank you!!! Amen!!! :applause:

Delisions of grandure is an understatement for people who think that a message board for a football franchise carries any weight on the decision making of the FO. Otherwise, Vinny would have been fired years ago.

[tiger187126]

we keep telling them to win a superbowl, but they haven't yet

so i say we have no effect

[DaGhost]

Does ES Have Any Effect?

Two words:
JIM FASSEL!

After that episode, in instances when we react to such an extent it scares the living **** out of Snyder he may lose valued custom, then Hell yes we do!

But I'd temper that with ONLY when there's such an out cry as in last years HC search. Hence why I voted #2.

Most any other time he couldn't give a flying **** about his "customers."

Hail.

no, we have NO effect other than showing up in a media report with something like 'fans do not want fassel'.... don't get an overinflated sense of self importance..... :saber:

[Stew]

I agree. I do not think that any FO decisions are made after reading ES. Further more, I don't think ES is even considered when making any player or coaching moves. Come on guys, we post on a message board, we arent REALLY considered an inside source, we just like to think we are. :)

[Yusuf06]

Zero. Among other negative indicators, if we had any effect at all, fans in Fedex wouldn't still be watching the Tinytron. Heck forget something "big" like the Tinytron, (pun fully intended) what about little things like site maintainance/improvements that the IT dept. makes the mods and us wait forever for? Given their complete disregard about those issues, what makes anyone think they give a rats posterior about our opinions about team personnel or even the overall on-field product for that matter?