Capitals Report: Trade Deadline 09

[PokerPacker]

Got trade deadline coverage with Mike Vogel, Brett Leonhardt, and Tarik.

you can ask them questions via AIM and they may get to them.

http://capitals.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NHLPage&id=30421

[Jofizz]

Awesome, thanks for the link.

[Jofizz]

They're talking about Derek Morris drawing serious interest from Boston.

Also saying that Morris is the one type of player that the Caps truly need that is available.

[Jofizz]

-Billy Guerin rumored to have interest from Washington.

[PokerPacker]

I've been saying to look at Morris, Phoenix has been scouting us and hershey.

[PokerPacker]

-Billy Guerin rumored to have interest from Washington.

did you not just hear them trying to debunk that?

[Gary Clark Fan]

well olie joikiden was moved to calagary and same with leopard. Flames have steped up...

I see the caps getting morris for Shane Morrison, and a pick.

[Fletch_Lives59]

'Too early to tell' on Bouwmeester; still no word on Bill Guerin
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 | Feedback | Print Entry
With Chris Pronger seemingly off the market, or kind of, barring a great offer, what about Jay Bouwmeester?

A Panthers source said at 9 a.m. ET it was "too early to tell" whether Bouwmeester (a UFA July 1) would be moved. In other words, they're still waiting for the best offers.

Tough call for Panthers GM Jacques Martin.

On Long Island, GM Garth Snow is giving one last try to complete a Bill Guerin trade that he's been working on since Saturday. A source close to the situation said that if the deal doesn't go through soon today, Snow will move on to a Plan B.

In Chicago, the Blackhawks are close to acquiring a forward, ESPN.com's Scott Burnside tells us.

[Jofizz]

did you not just hear them trying to debunk that?

I thought I heard them say that they were trying to debunk it this morning, but heard more about it in the last few hours.

Maybe I missed it.

[PokerPacker]

Wow, Mark Recchi to Boston

[Fletch_Lives59]

LeBrun (1:11 p.m. ET): Just heard from inside the Panthers' war room and they're still no closer to making a call on Bouwmeester. We're told Vancouver and Philadelphia charging hard on Bouwmeester. Also on Bill Guerin, we're told the original deal that began Saturday is now "dead" and Isles GM Garth Snow is working on Plan B.

[Jofizz]

http://www.tsn.ca/tradecentre/

If you click on tradecenter live with audio feed (turn off the audio off if you're listening to Capitals Report) it gives you a live feed of all the deals going down.

[Fletch_Lives59]

Bruins are loading up, just got Montador from the Ducks...

[PokerPacker]

damn, I have to leave for class now. I'll be watching during class, though :)

[HEavyJumbo85]

Bill Guerin to Pens.

[Jofizz]

Guerin to Pitt.

[HEavyJumbo85]

Apparently Pothier has been cleared to play meaning that it's very likely we won't be making any moves. Pothier will be our deadline acquisition, albeit the worst one I could think of. Things have turned awful sour. It's subtraction by addition.

[PokerPacker]

don't assume we're doing nothing until there's no time left.

[HEavyJumbo85]

don't assume we're doing nothing until there's no time left.

With Pothier back we have no money. about 200K.

[Gary Clark Fan]

pothier isnt worth a bag of pucks.

[jrockster21]

A rumor I heard on twitter is that we might be trading with the Wild, possibly for Gaborik.

[Jofizz]

A rumor I heard on twitter is that we might be trading with the Wild, possibly for Gaborik.

That could be legit. PHX and Minnesota are the two teams that had scouts our way.

[PokerPacker]

A rumor I heard on twitter is that we might be trading with the Wild, possibly for Gaborik.

he's labeled as Injured Reserve in on the Wild website. can you trade injured players in hockey?

also, we need to be looking at defense, I think we have enough offense.

[Jofizz]

he's labeled as Injured Reserve in on the Wild website. can you trade injured players in hockey?

also, we need to be looking at defense, I think we have enough offense.

I'm 99% sure he returned to practice this week.

[HEavyJumbo85]

A rumor I heard on twitter is that we might be trading with the Wild, possibly for Gaborik.

No thanks. A)We don't have the cap room. B)He hasn't played since November and he won't be back until April at the earliest. Not a chance on Gaborik.

[HEavyJumbo85]

I'm 99% sure he returned to practice this week.

He's coming off of major knee surgery and in a recent article said he's shooting for the end of March. But he's not exactly known as a warrior.

[Jofizz]

Jrock, What twitter page did you see that on?

[jrockster21]

Gaborik is scheduled to be back by playoff time.


Jrock, What twitter page did you see that on?

http://twitter.com/APISports - its basically just his speculation based on Wild scouts being around the team. I read it fast and thought he got it from another source.

[jrockster21]

From nhl.com's deadline blog:
Gaborik in Play?
03.04.2009 / 2:28 PM

Mike Russo, the Minnesota Wild beat reporter for the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, is speaking right now on NHL Live Radio via the NHL Network and he is saying that his sources are telling him that Marian Gaborik is in play. It would be huge news if the Wild are able to trade Gaborik in the next 30 minutes or so. Gaborik is still out now, but he is expected back in time for the playoffs.

Keep refreshing to find out if there are any more details or if this is just rumors.

And, they just said on NHL Live Radio that RDS is reporting the Senators sent Chris Neil to Florida. Ottawa had been trying to re-sign Neil all day, but apparently they couldn't come to terms. Again, keep refreshing for more details.

- Dan Rosen

[Jofizz]

Thats interesting. I'm guessing there will be a wave of last minute deals, so we will see within the next hour or so.

[jrockster21]

Thats interesting. I'm guessing there will be a wave of last minute deals, so we will see within the next hour or so.

Deadline is 3pm EST, so we'll see in the next 22 minutes! :)

[HEavyJumbo85]

Gaborik is scheduled to be back by playoff time.

Obviously, but do you expect a guy that hasn't played in 5 months coming off of a knee injury when his main weapon is his speed to be any kind of effective?

[HEavyJumbo85]

Caps out on Morris per TSN.

[PokerPacker]

Caps out on Morris per TSN.

out as in not in the bidding?

[Fletch_Lives59]

this should keep you busy for the next 13 mins...:)

http://poststuff2.entensity.net/030409/flash.php?media=fight.flv

[PokerPacker]

carcillo for upshall+2nd

or so I've heard

[HEavyJumbo85]

out as in not in the bidding?

yeah, said Flyers or Rangers




Also, Philly just got Dan Carcillo...that hurts.

[HEavyJumbo85]

Antropov to Rangers

[Jofizz]

Philly, Boston, and Pitt all making significant moves. Still quiet on the Caps front.

[skinsfan_1215]

Looks like the entire East, especially Boston, is loading up. We have 11 minutes now to make a move.

[PokerPacker]

10 minutes 'till the deadline...

[HEavyJumbo85]

If GMGM can come away with Ian Laperiere at the end here it'll be a good day.

[Gary Clark Fan]

listen we are building a team for the long haul and not just for 2008-9. Why mortgage the future for a rental. If we stand pat then I will be ok as Im thinking long term. We arent going to win the cup this year anyways and just wait to Carlson and Alzniner and couple of our other dmen develop, we will be fine.

[Jofizz]

The guys on Caps report have said it will take up to an hour or more to leak all of the last minute deals.

[HEavyJumbo85]

listen we are building a team for the long haul and not just for 2008-9. Why mortgage the future for a rental. If we stand pat then I will be ok as Im thinking long term. We arent going to win the cup this year anyways and just wait to Carlson and Alzniner and couple of our other dmen develop, we will be fine.

Yeah but you want to at least win a round this year. This team as it is now isn't good enough.

[jrockster21]

Yeah but you want to at least win a round this year. This team as it is now isn't good enough.


I disagree, depends on the matchup. I think we could beat Boston in a 5 game series.

[skinsfan_1215]

Yeah but you want to at least win a round this year. This team as it is now isn't good enough.

Depends on who we play... Just because we've had a couple ****ty games doesn't mean we're not good. There are only a couple teams in the East, Philly and Boston, that I think would be favored against us in a 7 game series. Everyone else we can beat if we play tough.

[PokerPacker]

We are good enough, but we aren't necessarily consistent enough. It is entirely possible we could take home a cup, but the odds aren't exactly in our favor.

[PokerPacker]

1 minute to the closing bell

[skinsfan_1215]

We are good enough, but we aren't necessarily consistent enough. It is entirely possible we could take home a cup, but the odds aren't exactly in our favor.

Exactly. Our odds COULD improve in the next minute, though.

[Jofizz]

3:00 PM, Time to let them trickle in.

[HEavyJumbo85]

Bouwmeester stays

[PokerPacker]

now we sit and wait to see if anything happened.

[jrockster21]

Antropov to the Rangers

[HEavyJumbo85]

Derek Morris to Rangers

[Jofizz]

Morris to the Rangers.

[PokerPacker]

Morris to NYR

edit: Damn you both

[Jofizz]

Lets see if Gaborik gets moved..

[HEavyJumbo85]

i don't know where the hell the Rangers got this money from.

[PokerPacker]

Rangers traded a second and a conditional for Antripov

[Fletch_Lives59]

the Coyotes traded Daniel Carcillo to the Philadelphia Flyers in exchange for Scottie Upshall and a second-round draft pick.

[HEavyJumbo85]

Suprised by Florida keeping Bouwmeester. They'll probably make the playoffs but he's gone in the offseason. They offered him a long term deal at over 7 million per season and he turned it down, he's clearly leaving FLA.

[Jofizz]

Caps would have had to give up Morrisonn, Fleischmann and Fehr or something similar.

[PokerPacker]

Kalanin, Prucha, Dawes for Morris

[Fletch_Lives59]

LeBrun (3:01 p.m. ET): It's 3 p.m., and just under the wire, the Rangers got Derek Morris, a source confirmed to us. Also, the Panthers decided to keep Bouwmeester, while the Wild also kept Marian Gaborik.

[jrockster21]

Caps would have had to give up Morrisonn, Fleischmann and Fehr or something similar.

Haha, I see you copying and pasting the twitter feed! ;)

[HEavyJumbo85]

Dominic Moore to Sabres.

[BayouBrave86]

Morris to the Rangers. Unbelievable. GMGM really dropped the ball this year. I'm pretty pissed.

[Jofizz]

Haha, I see you copying and pasting the twitter feed! ;)

Haha they actually said that on Caps Report, so maybe the tweeter is copying them. :-P

[jrockster21]

haha, mabye.

Jokinen to the Flames...

[Jofizz]

Anyone else getting audio problems whenever they try and play their recordings? Weird.

[HEavyJumbo85]

I'm suprised that the PK or the D wasn't addressed at all. Pothier is our deadline acquisition.

[BayouBrave86]

Wooooooo, Poth is back!

[jrockster21]

What is so bad about Pothier?

[PokerPacker]

What is so bad about Pothier?

I kinda liked him at the end of the playoff series. He was the only defenseman to adapt to the flyers east-west passing in front of the net.

[PokerPacker]

Christensen to Aneheim for O'Dell to Atlanta

[Gary Clark Fan]

Rangers traded a second and a conditional for Antripov


Dan snyder is a silent owner?

[skinsfan_1215]

I kinda liked him at the end of the playoff series. He was the only defenseman to adapt to the flyers east-west passing in front of the net.

That's good. We'll probably have to face them again this year.

[Gary Clark Fan]

Yeah but you want to at least win a round this year. This team as it is now isn't good enough.

we can take Florida in the first round...Im sure of that (regardless of that blood bath on sunday)

[HEavyJumbo85]

I kinda liked him at the end of the playoff series. He was the only defenseman to adapt to the flyers east-west passing in front of the net.

Huh? He was injured last January and hasn't played since. Against Boston Lucic killed him and he's had a concussion and serious concussion problems since then. He didn't play down the stretch last year and he certainly didn't play against the Flyers.

[KingJeremy]

the Coyotes traded Daniel Carcillo to the Philadelphia Flyers in exchange for Scottie Upshall and a second-round draft pick.

I hate this.

I love Danny Carcillo and didn't even realize he was on the table. He's an speedy and feisty little curr who's not afraid to mix it up. We don't need a winger, obviously, but he would have been great to see getting into Crosby's face for a long time. He's gonna ruffle some Caps, no doubt.

[HEavyJumbo85]

we can take Florida in the first round...Im sure of that (regardless of that blood bath on sunday)

Don't be so sure, our experience gives us an advantage, but they have a hell of a coach, a solid Goaltending duo and arguably the best defense corps in the conference....and they just got Steve Eminger.

[No Excuses]

Yeah Pothier didn't play in the playoffs last year. You might be confusing him with Poti.

[PokerPacker]

Yeah Pothier didn't play in the playoffs last year. You might be confusing him with Poti.

Was it Poti? I could've sworn it was Pothier. Guess not.

[HEavyJumbo85]

Was it Poti? I could've sworn it was Pothier. Guess not.

Pothier being hurt is the only reason we didn't trade Steve Eminger at the deadline last year.

[HEavyJumbo85]

Flyers get big physical Kyle Mclaren

[HEavyJumbo85]

Blackhawks get Sami Pahlsson

[BayouBrave86]

Yeah, wtf, Poth didn't play last year in the playoffs. Hey if he can push Schultz to the bench I'll be happy but damn we needed a physical d-man.

[PokerPacker]

so does Pothier mean we can't bring Alzner back up?

[ACW]

Great, now Philly has 2 of the top fighters in the league (he Carcillo+Cote are tied with 2others for 2nd with 18, Boll has 20_.

[Jofizz]

The East is stocking up today, minus the Caps.

[BayouBrave86]

Flyers get big physical Kyle Mclaren

For a 6th rounder. Hell we could've used him. Man this whole Nylander thing burned us. Hopefully he can show up in the playoffs. I don't think I'd be as pissed as I am right now if we hadn't been blown out the past 2 games at home.

[HEavyJumbo85]

Yeah, wtf, Poth didn't play last year in the playoffs. Hey if he can push Schultz to the bench I'll be happy but damn we needed a physical d-man.

he won't push Schultz to the bench, but possibly Jurcina or Erskine. I really don't know what GMGM is thinking if he didn't make a trade today with Pothier being cleared. We'll have 9 healthy D, that's just irresponsible.

[Jofizz]

Poth is going to Hersey to see if he can play. Nothing is guaranteed with him yet.

[HEavyJumbo85]

link?

it's on tsn tradecentre live.


go to tsn.ca and they should have trades listed somewhere.

[HEavyJumbo85]

Poth is going to Hersey to see if he can play. Nothing is guaranteed with him yet.

If he's medically cleared he gets a 10 day conditioning stint and then his money counts towards the cap regardless of whether he's ready to play or not. His money's coming back this year unless he reinjures himself.

[BayouBrave86]

Yep I saw it, good eye. I was refreshing sportsnet.ca. And yeah I realize it is Ersky or Jurcina that is going to the bench if Poth comes back. I just don't understand Boudreau's infatuation with Schultz. If we play Philly again, I don't trust him on the ice.

[HEavyJumbo85]

San Jose gets Travis Moen and Kent Huskins...good deal for them. Tough checking line center and a puck mover on the back end.

[BayouBrave86]

So the defending champs and the Caps are the only top teams in their respective conferences that didn't make a move. Hmm.

[HEavyJumbo85]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/

Caps stand Pat according to Tarik.

[Jofizz]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/

Caps stand Pat according to Tarik.

There we have it.

[BayouBrave86]

I'm just praying we don't see Philly again in the first round. Damnit.

[HEavyJumbo85]

I'm just praying we don't see Philly again in the first round. Damnit.

There's little chance of that, I see them getting the 4 seed. There is a good chance that we play Pittsburgh or Florida in the first round though. Those will be tough matchups.

[Jofizz]

Gerber in goal for Toronto tomorrow night.

[BayouBrave86]

Pittsburgh, yes. I think we can take out Florida in 5 or 6 though. You know it is destiny that we play Pittsburgh in the playoffs in the first round. :)

[HEavyJumbo85]

3 way deal?

[HEavyJumbo85]

Eric Cole to Carolina, Justin Williams to Los Angeles, Patrick O'Sullivan and picks to Edmonton.

**** having Cole back in the division he's a Cap killer.

[BayouBrave86]

"Only Bouwmeester or Pronger would have been an upgrade on our blueline", GMGM

LOL

[HEavyJumbo85]

"Only Bouwmeester or Pronger would have been an upgrade on our blueline", GMGM

LOL

He's actually pretty right. Morris wasn't a good idea and I don't know if any defenseman that moved today would've been that much of an upgrade outside of Leopold. Our D sucks, but there really wasn't much out there that ultimately moved. If a Pronger or a Bouwmeester had moved and we weren't in on it I'd be pissed.

EDIT: I would've liked Montador as a role player on the back end, but It's whatever.

[BayouBrave86]

24 teams made a move today.

[BayouBrave86]

You really don't think Morris would've been an upgrade? I'd put him right behind Poti and Green. I do think the Rangers overpaid for him however.

[HEavyJumbo85]

You really don't think Morris would've been an upgrade? I'd put him right behind Poti and Green. I do think the Rangers overpaid for him however.

Morris was a very slight upgrade over Jurcina, very slight. And for 4 million dollars it just didn't make sense.

[BayouBrave86]

Morris was a very slight upgrade over Jurcina, very slight. And for 4 million dollars it just didn't make sense.


Very slight? No way. Jurcina is a 6th/7th dman at best.

[Gary Clark Fan]

Don't be so sure, our experience gives us an advantage, but they have a hell of a coach, a solid Goaltending duo and arguably the best defense corps in the conference....and they just got Steve Eminger.

whose the coach....Terry Murray? Im totally brain dead right now

[HEavyJumbo85]

Very slight? No way. Jurcina is a 6th/7th dman at best.


Have you seen Derek Morris play at all?

Fans in Phoenix didn't want him around. He's a hitter that brings nothing offensively. he's a 5th/6th dman at best. Slight upgrade in my eyes and not worth 4 million.

[HEavyJumbo85]

whose the coach....Terry Murray? Im totally brain dead right now

Peter DeBoer. he's been unbelievable for them this year. Defense and goaltending wins in the playoffs, not high scoring offenses and Florida is near the top in both D and in goal. They'll be a tough out.

[HEavyJumbo85]

Lighting send salary dumps to Toronto...

Olie Kolzig, Jamie Heward, Andy Rogers and a pick to Toronto.

[BayouBrave86]

Have you seen Derek Morris play at all?

Fans in Phoenix didn't want him around. He's a hitter that brings nothing offensively. he's a 5th/6th dman at best. Slight upgrade in my eyes and not worth 4 million.

Uh he was on the second pairing for Phoenix with Jovo. A hitter you say? Wow, who are our hitters on D right now? Do we have one? Erskine? Cool. He belongs on the third pairing and he is no where near the dman that Morris is. Have you seen Morris play? He doesn't need to bring offense. He needs to clear the crease and punish people and play solid d, which he does. Give me a break man. A slight upgrade over Jurcina..LOL.

[PokerPacker]

Yep I saw it, good eye. I was refreshing sportsnet.ca. And yeah I realize it is Ersky or Jurcina that is going to the bench if Poth comes back. I just don't understand Boudreau's infatuation with Schultz. If we play Philly again, I don't trust him on the ice.

Perhaps he's seen something in Shultz down in hershey that hasn't quite translated in the NHL yet. BB also saw something in Fleischmann and look what happened with him this season.

[HEavyJumbo85]

Uh he was on the second pairing for Phoenix with Jovo. A hitter you say? Wow, who are our hitters on D right now? Do we have one? Erskine? Cool. He belongs on the third pairing and he is no where near the dman that Morris is. Have you seen Morris play? He doesn't need to bring offense. He needs to clear the crease and punish people and play solid d, which he does. Give me a break man. A slight upgrade over Jurcina..LOL.

Jovocop has been horrible for Phoenix this year, absolute garbage so I wouldn't read too much into him being on the 2nd pairing there. Jurcina has been on the 2nd pairing at times here too, doesn't mean anything. He does clear the crease but I wouldn't call his D SOLID at all, that's a reach. He's a MINUS-13 for pete's sake. Juice is a plus-3. Jurcina makes around 700K, Derek Morris makes around 4 million. If you think that he's 3 million dollars better than Jurcina you give me a break. He brings crease clearing, that's it, he's a slight upgrade, period.

[BayouBrave86]

No **** he is -13, the Coyotes are the 6th worst team in the league. He does play solid d, where are you coming up with some of these claims? Jurcina "sometimes" has played 2nd pairing due to injuries for the most part to Poti and co. Morris might not be worth 3 more mil than Jurcina but he is a DEFINITE upgrade over Jurcina and would've been a very solid 2nd line dman here paired with Mo.
And we sure could've used some of that "crease clearing" during last year's playoff series against Philly.

[skinstzar]

This is our team now, we ride or die with this group. I stand by it. There is only one team that will have taken the season series from us in the East when all is said and done and that's Philly. If they finish 4 and we finish two I don't think we see them in the playoffs. This is it. Nothing else to do but run for the cup.

[PokerPacker]

And we sure could've used some of that "crease clearing" during last year's playoff series against Philly.

yes we certainly could have. the refs weren't doing anything about philly's constant runs at our goalie so we should have.

[BayouBrave86]

This is our team now, we ride or die with this group. I stand by it. There is only one team that will have taken the season series from us in the East when all is said and done and that's Philly. If they finish 4 and we finish two I don't think we see them in the playoffs. This is it. Nothing else to do but run for the cup.

Very true. We have a very young talented squad and we have some time to make moves down the line, but it would've been nice to see us at least acquire a dman with experience this deadline. We were the only team in the East to not make a move. I think we can get out of the first round this year but from there who knows. Still a month to go and alot to play out.

[HEavyJumbo85]

No **** he is -13, the Coyotes are the 6th worst team in the league. He does play solid d, where are you coming up with some of these claims? Jurcina "sometimes" has played 2nd pairing due to injuries for the most part to Poti and co. Morris might not be worth 3 more mil than Jurcina but he is a DEFINITE upgrade over Jurcina and woul'dve been a very solid 2nd line dman here paired with Mo.

He's decent player but he's overrated. Just because he's a definite upgrade doesn't mean that he's far and away a 20 times better defenseman. He's an upgrade, but he's not as big of one as you're making him out to be. He plays physical but people have always been waiting for him to break out and become a top defenseman, but he never has. For the money he's being paid it would've just been dumb, especially with Pothier coming back to go all out for this guy when he's not that much better than Juice.

[skinstzar]

Very true. We have a very young talented squad and we have some time to make moves down the line, but it would've been nice to see us at least acquire a dman with experience this deadline. We were the only team in the East to not make a move. I think we can get out of the first round this year but from there who knows. Still a month to go and alot to play out.



The East may come down to the Brodeur factor. If he stands on his head in April and May they skate with Lord Stanley. Theodore has a Vezina on his mantle. I believe he is going to come to play and these playoffs are going to be AWWWWWWWEEEEESSSSSSOME.

[PokerPacker]

just a few things from GMGM:

The teams we were in negotiations with were looking invariably looking for our top prospects (Varlamov, Neuvirth, Alzner, Carlson...)

"No deal is better than a bad deal"

Only two defenseman on the market would have improved our team (Boumeester and Pronger) and they weren't moving or too expensive.

Derek Morris was never really a strong consideration.

[Jofizz]

Tarik reported we went after Pronger. Asking prices were too high.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/2009/03/caps_pursued_anaheims_chris_pr.html

[PokerPacker]

Flyers nullify McLaren trade
Friday, 03.06.2009 / 6:21 PM / News
By NHL .com
The Philadelphia Flyers said Friday they have nullified the trade on March 4 with the San Jose Sharks in which they acquired defenseman Kyle McLaren in exchange for a sixth-round pick in the 2009 Entry Draft. McLaren did not pass his physical, according to General Manager Paul Holmgren.

McLaren, a 31-year-old who has played more than 700 NHL games, was to be assigned to the Philadelphia Phantoms, the Flyers’ American Hockey League affiliate.

McLaren has no goals, 6 assists and 17 penalty minutes in 17 games this season with San Jose's AHL affiliate, the Worcester Sharks. He sustained a hand injury in December.

"Kyle has been very professional about his situation this season," Sharks GM Doug Wilson said in a statement. "From the beginning of the year, we made a commitment to Kyle to find an opportunity for him to play in the National Hockey League. Unfortunately, this deal didn’t work out but Kyle will return to the organization and work towards the full recovery of his hand.

In 719 career NHL games with San Jose and the Boston Bruins over 12 seasons (1995-96 to 2007-08), the 6-foot-4, 235-pounder has 46 goals and 161 assists for 207 points and 671 penalty minutes. In 70 career playoff games, he has 1 goal and 13 assists for 14 points and 78 penalty minutes.