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MrMarcus1914
March-23rd-2009, 02:51 PM
Dow jumps close to 400 points

Wall Street welcomes Obama administration plan to buy up close to $1 trillion in bad bank assets.

By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney.com senior writer
Last Updated: March 23, 2009: 3:25 PM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stocks recharged a rally Monday after Treasury's plan to buy up billions in bad bank assets and a better-than-expected existing home sales report raised hopes that the economy is stabilizing.
The Dow Jones industrial average (INDU (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=INDU&source=story_quote_link)) gained 390 points, or 5.3%, with 40 minutes left in the session. The S&P 500 (SPX (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=SPX&source=story_quote_link)) index rose 42 points, or 5.6%. The Nasdaq composite (COMP (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=COMP&source=story_quote_link)) added 74 points, or 5.1%.
"I think the stock reaction is a vote of confidence in the plan," said Jack Ablin, chief investment officer at Harris Private Bank.
He said the stock market is also reacting well because the plan is skewed in favor of the private investor, who only has to be responsible for around 7% of the total in any transaction.
But other analysts were less sanguine. "The plan is a rehash of what we've seen before and it still doesn't resolve the issue of how to value the bad assets," said Stephen Leeb, president at Leeb Capital Management.
"There's a lot of cash on the sidelines, there's a real wish to believe that this is a solution and there has been some good news on the economy lately," he said. "All of that is contributing to a rally as well."
Stocks have gained for the past two weeks, despite tumbling last Thursday and Friday. But that retreat gave investors an opportunity to jump back in Monday, with bank shares (http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/23/news/companies/bank_stocks/index.htm?postversion=2009032313) leading the advance.
Since tumbling to 12-year lows two weeks ago, the S&P 500 has now rallied 18% as of Monday afternoon. But even with the enthusiasm Monday, the S&P 500 was struggling to hold above 800, a key resistance level that analysts say it will need to surpass if the market is going to be able to make a sustained move higher.
Bad-asset plan: On Monday, Treasury rolled out its long-awaited plan to purge bank balance sheets of as much as $1 trillion in sour assets that are limiting lending and prolonging the recession.
The government will commit $75 billion to $100 billion of taxpayer money to launch the "Public-Private Investment Program (http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/23/news/companies/treasury_plan/index.htm?postversion=2009032314)," which seeks to create a market for that bad debt.
The government plans to run auctions between the banks looking to unload the bad assets - such as subprime mortgages - and the investors looking to buy them. The Federal Reserve and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. will be involved.
Economists have said that stabilizing the banking system is key to stabilizing the economy.
"Between the Fed announcement last week and the Treasury program this week, there are some tangible steps the government is taking and that is going to give the market the potential to keep moving higher," Ablin said.
Last week, the Federal Reserve announced it was pumping another trillion into the economy to try to get credit flowing.
Leeb said the market may be betting that if the Treasury plan leads into a brick wall, there's always the Federal Reserve to come in and expand its program.


Economy: Existing home sales rose (http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/23/real_estate/existing_home_sales/index.htm?postversion=2009032311) 5.1% in February, according to the National Association of Realtors. Sales rose at a seasonally-adjusted 4.72 million unit annual rate versus a 4.49 million unit annual rate in January. Economists surveyed by Briefing.com expected sales to dip to a 4.45 million unit rate.
Company news: Bank shares led the advance. Citigroup (C (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=C&source=story_quote_link), Fortune 500 (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2008/snapshots/2927.html?source=story_f500_link)) jumped 17%, Bank of America (BAC (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=BAC&source=story_quote_link), Fortune 500 (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2008/snapshots/2580.html?source=story_f500_link)) jumped 18% and Wells Fargo (WFC (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=WFC&source=story_quote_link), Fortune 500 (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2008/snapshots/2578.html?source=story_f500_link)) gained 11%. The KBW Bank (BKX (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=BKX&source=story_quote_link)) index gained 12%.
Suncor Energy (SU (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=SU&source=story_quote_link)), Canada's No. 2 oil company, said it will buy rival Petro-Canada (PCZ (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=PCZ&source=story_quote_link)) for $14.86 billion to create the country's biggest energy group. Suncor shares lost 1% and Petro shares gained 23%.
In other deal news, an Abu Dhabi fund, Aabar Investments, bought a 9.1% stake in German carmaker Daimler in a $2.67 billion deal (http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/23/autos/Daimler_Aabar.reut/index.htm?postversion=2009032313) announced late Sunday.
Market breadth was positive. On the New York Stock Exchange, winners beat losers by over 8 to 1 on volume of almost 1 billion shares. On the Nasdaq, advancers topped decliners four to one on volume of 1.5 billion shares.
Bonds: Treasury prices (http://money.cnn.com/markets/bondcenter/index.html) dipped, raising the yield on the benchmark 10-year note to 2.64%, up from 2.63% late Friday. Treasury prices and yields move in opposite directions.
Lending rates were little changed (http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/23/markets/bondcenter/credit_market/index.htm?postversion=2009032313). The 3-month Libor rate held steady at 1.22%, unchanged from late Friday, while the overnight Libor rate rose to 0.29% from 0.28% Friday, according to Bloomberg.com. Libor is a bank-to-bank lending rate.
Other markets: In global (http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/index.html) trading, Asian and European markets rallied.
In currency (http://money.cnn.com/data/currencies/index.html) trading, the dollar gained versus the euro and the yen.
U.S. light crude oil (http://money.cnn.com/data/commodities/index.html) for May delivery gained $1.44 to $53.51 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
COMEX gold (http://money.cnn.com/data/commodities/index.html) for April delivery fell $3.70 to 952.50 an ounce. http://i.cdn.turner.com/money/images/bug.gif (http://cnnmoney.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=CNNMoney.com+Market+Report+-+Mar.+23%2C+2009&expire=-1&urlID=34887611&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmoney.cnn.com%2F2009%2F03%2F23%2F markets%2Fmarkets_newyork%2Findex.htm%3Fpostversio n%3#TOP)
First Published: March 23, 2009: 11:05 AM ET

There has been a lot of critics regarding the FED'S plans to help the economy. What do you think about these numbers? Is it a positive indication that the worst is over, or a oasis is the middle of this crisis?

Mark The Homer
March-23rd-2009, 02:52 PM
Yeah baby!

http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/

Heisenberg
March-23rd-2009, 02:53 PM
What part of the lunar cycle are we in? If there's one thing I've learned from this site it's the fact that the stock market is completely driven by the moon.

Redskins Diehard
March-23rd-2009, 02:56 PM
I think this is good...but not really an indication of anything significant with respect to the economy. It means some people have decided to buy some stock(well a lot of people decided to buy a lot of stock)

Duckus
March-23rd-2009, 02:56 PM
470+, 6.5%.

Impressive day. Hopefully this 2 week surge keeps on going.

Kilmer17
March-23rd-2009, 02:59 PM
Great news.


Really great news.


I hate what it takes now to get this kind of reaction, but at least it seems to be positively recieved.

Monte51Coleman
March-23rd-2009, 03:00 PM
What part of the lunar cycle are we in? If there's one thing I've learned from this site it's the fact that the stock market is completely driven by the moon.

And Ladell Betts. :silly:

Duckus
March-23rd-2009, 03:00 PM
Edit the title 501 - WOW.

500 point rally!!!!!!

Hubbs
March-23rd-2009, 03:02 PM
What part of the lunar cycle are we in? If there's one thing I've learned from this site it's the fact that the stock market is completely driven by the moon.

I LOL'd.

Toe Jam
March-23rd-2009, 03:03 PM
So the rich are getting richer again?

Cool.

Skinz4Life12
March-23rd-2009, 03:03 PM
+500 wow!!!

Heisenberg
March-23rd-2009, 03:09 PM
So the rich are getting richer again?

Cool.


I hope you were just joking.

In case you weren't I hope you realize that the stock market recovering is a good thing for every income bracket.

DeanCollins
March-23rd-2009, 03:09 PM
so, the average 401K is now only down 57.3%, techboy will be pleased. In other news my rental properties are still paying the same. :D

Toe Jam
March-23rd-2009, 03:13 PM
I hope you were just joking.

In case you weren't I hope you realize that the stock market recovering is a good thing for every income bracket.

Tis' was a joke.

My humor is hard to get sometimes.:D

StillUnknown
March-23rd-2009, 03:13 PM
up is better than down

Redskins Diehard
March-23rd-2009, 03:51 PM
Tis' was a joke.

My humor is hard to get sometimes.:D
Usually because it isn't actually funny :silly:

wantarace17
March-23rd-2009, 03:57 PM
I am so pissed i didn't buy some of citi when it was at 1 dollar. I would have made a killing today.

Mark The Homer
March-23rd-2009, 04:06 PM
so, the average 401K is now only down 57.3%, techboy will be pleased. In other news my rental properties are still paying the same. :DI'm gonna guess that techboy will be indifferent...

Buford
March-23rd-2009, 04:12 PM
what happened today was good. Still, the markets need to have months and months of at least 3 up weeks to recover everything that was lost. Hopefully things calm down. We get a steady climb. People who deserve loans will get them, and maybe things start to consistently move in the right direction. There are a lot of hard working good people out there who were stung by this.

The lazy folks who were looking for get rich quick schemes I don't feel sorry for. The couple who put their lives into their 401K's and retirement, I do.

G.A.C.O.L.B.
March-23rd-2009, 04:31 PM
I think it's time for me to start a petition to put Obama on the dime.

SUSkinsFan
March-23rd-2009, 04:37 PM
I think it's time for me to start a petition to put Obama on the dime.I agree. Since many on the right believed he tanked the economy, this surge must also be credited to him.

Redskins Diehard
March-23rd-2009, 04:47 PM
I agree. Since many on the right believed he tanked the economy, this surge must also be credited to him.

Many "on the right" disagree that some of the economic policies are not good for the long term health of the economy...this surge has nothing to do with that. Well at least there is no way to tell that now.

Be like someone arguing for the benefits of Gitmo after a successful predator strike.

Buford T. Justice
March-23rd-2009, 04:53 PM
Since many on the right believed he tanked the economy, this surge must also be credited to him.

I understand your logic but I think it is too early to judge either way.

WVUforREDSKINS
March-23rd-2009, 04:54 PM
I am so pissed i didn't buy some of citi when it was at 1 dollar. I would have made a killing today.

My parents lost over 50K in Citi alone.

What did Citi do today?

Mark The Homer
March-23rd-2009, 04:59 PM
My parents lost over 50K in Citi alone.

What did Citi do today?Up almost 20%

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:C

Stophovr6
March-23rd-2009, 05:06 PM
Good news. Let's hope this continues.

SUSkinsFan
March-23rd-2009, 05:06 PM
Many "on the right" disagree that some of the economic policies are not good for the long term health of the economy...this surge has nothing to do with that. Well at least there is no way to tell that now.

Be like someone arguing for the benefits of Gitmo after a successful predator strike.


I understand your logic but I think it is too early to judge either way.What I was saying is that the people who believed that the economy tanked just because Barack Obama became POTUS (there was a whole thread on it I think) need to come back and give him credit for this.

I don't personally believe that the market tanking, or its recent recovery, is solely the fault of the POTUS (whoever that may be). I just want those that DO believe that to come back and give Obama the credit he must be due.

Predicto
March-23rd-2009, 05:10 PM
More specifically, there were posters on here a couple of weeks ago crowing that Obama had effed up because Geithner had given a speech that didn't have enough details about dealing with toxic assets and the market had reacted negatively.

I assume those very same posters will be here soon to acknowledge that when the details were worked out, the market reacted positively. :whoknows:

Stophovr6
March-23rd-2009, 05:11 PM
More specifically, there were posters on here a couple of weeks ago crowing that Obama had effed up because Geithner had given a speech that didn't have enough details about dealing with toxic assets and the market had reacted negatively.

I assume those very same posters will be here soon to acknowledge that when the details were worked out, the market reacted positively. :whoknows:

Was that one of the posts that referred to Geitner as Turbo Tax Timmy? :hysterical:

deejaydana
March-23rd-2009, 05:26 PM
They (Geithner & crew) still have not made any substantive changes to the banks yet and how they operate. While I'm enjoying a one day rally (and hope it can build) the gov't still has major work to do. In my mind, they are afraid to make the tough choices that need to be made (and in their defense, you don't make these changes in a fortnight). I'd like it if we could avoid dumbing down yet another thread by playing 'my side v your side.' Any half-wit can do that and really, what's the point?

Bostic Hog
March-23rd-2009, 06:59 PM
Should we cheer this toxic asset bailout? I don't think so. Let's see: the govt is on the hook for any losses and the investors in these assets have no risk at all, but all of the upside. Sounds like a rape of the taxpaper, once again.

I do like a market rally, though.

techboy
March-23rd-2009, 07:25 PM
I'm gonna guess that techboy will be indifferent...

You are correct sir. One day (or even one month) stock movements are mere statistical noise for the long term investor. :)

Actually, in another sense, I am happy, because there were a lot of people and institutions that were inappropriately invested in too high a percentage of stocks for too short a term, and things like pension funds were being affected, which is why Toe Jam's comment was shortsighted.

Hopefully we'll continue the run up to ease those problems, and then those individuals and institutions will learn from their mistakes and pursue an appropriate asset allocation for an appropriate time horizon.

Toe Jam
March-23rd-2009, 07:34 PM
which is why Toe Jam's comment was shortsighted.



I WAS JOKING!!:chair:

You people all need to chill out.:D

WVUforREDSKINS
March-23rd-2009, 07:57 PM
My dad just told me about his friend at work who bought 10,000 shares of CITI last week...

What a ****in day he had!

DeanCollins
March-23rd-2009, 08:10 PM
You are correct sir. One day (or even one month) stock movements are mere statistical noise for the long term investor. :)


yea yea yea, you were in the closet spanking it. ;)

Destino
March-23rd-2009, 08:26 PM
My dad just told me about his friend at work who bought 10,000 shares of CITI last week...

What a ****in day he had!

Same with those that got into pier yesterday at .16 and closed today at .60. We got in this morning thinking we were late to the ride and still made 100%. Yowza. I should have put more in :mad: Citi was actually a really easy call. Government backed them and basically said they wouldn't let them fall.... when they went under a dollar every investor buddy of mine sent someone a text message screaming BUY BUY BUY. The problem was holding on long enough to see the big gains. Most bailed at or before 40%.

This is the easiest day trading market I've ever seen. Any stock that is down rockets up after any good news.

Hubbs
March-23rd-2009, 08:37 PM
Usually because it isn't actually funny :silly:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_e92n-YZL3Vs/SKA035AQFII/AAAAAAAAAH8/_De2FcLuVuI/s320/oh-snap.jpg

techboy
March-23rd-2009, 09:10 PM
You people all need to chill out.

What do you mean "you people"? :mad:

Destino
March-23rd-2009, 09:13 PM
What do you mean "you people"? :mad:

What do you mean "you people"? :mad:

G.A.C.O.L.B.
March-23rd-2009, 09:45 PM
What I was saying is that the people who believed that the economy tanked just because Barack Obama became POTUS (there was a whole thread on it I think) need to come back and give him credit for this.

I don't personally believe that the market tanking, or its recent recovery, is solely the fault of the POTUS (whoever that may be). I just want those that DO believe that to come back and give Obama the credit he must be due.

Same. Word for word. And the point of my post.

December90
March-23rd-2009, 10:28 PM
I hope you were just joking.

In case you weren't I hope you realize that the stock market recovering is a good thing for every income bracket.


Just curious, does the "good thing for every income bracket" include tax cuts? Or should those exclude "The Rich" (Whoever that is)?

Also, the stock market rebound benefits "The Rich" people who own a lot of stock more than "The Poor" people who do not own stocks (or only own a very small amount.

It is not "fair" that those who have invested the most and who have taken the most risk stand to benefit the most. :chair:
Right?

G.A.C.O.L.B.
March-23rd-2009, 10:44 PM
Blah blah blah
Right?

Nice sig :rolleyes:

December90
March-24th-2009, 07:58 AM
Nice sig :rolleyes:

Thank you...

I was considering expanding it to include the great sodomizer and Satan's daughter (the speaker of the house) among many other notables in Congress. But I don't want to violate signature rules with regard to size...

techboy
March-24th-2009, 09:10 AM
Thank you...

I was considering expanding it to include the great sodomizer and Satan's daughter (the speaker of the house) among many other notables in Congress. But I don't want to violate signature rules with regard to size...

I hope it's not your intention to persuade anyone of the correctness of your positions, because I can tell you that if this is your goal, you're doing a horrendous job. :)

zoony
March-24th-2009, 10:08 AM
I hope it's not your intention to persuade anyone of the correctness of your positions, because I can tell you that if this is your goal, you're doing a horrendous job. :)



It is a very sad reflection for sure.

Predicto
March-24th-2009, 11:50 AM
I cry in real life.

My wife is a bank regulator, so we are forbidden from investing in bank stocks.

Even a moron like me could see that Citibank was an enormous buy opportunity, but I couldn't jump on it.

Thiebear
March-24th-2009, 11:54 AM
Its nice to see a clearly thought out message get something. The hmmmming and hawwwwing was mind numbing.

Mark The Homer
March-24th-2009, 01:31 PM
I cry in real life.

My wife is a bank regulator, so we are forbidden from investing in bank stocks.

Even a moron like me could see that Citibank was an enormous buy opportunity, but I couldn't jump on it.Dude - next time call me and send me whatever you want to invest. I'll split whatever we make 50/50 (if we lose, oh well). :silly:

Predicto
March-24th-2009, 01:32 PM
Dude - next time call me and send me whatever you want to invest. I'll split whatever we make 50/50 (if we lose, oh well). :silly:

LOL.

Sure, why not. My wife probably doesn't want her job anymore. :silly: