WT: Campbell: "I want to stay with 'Skins"

[x96bryan10]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/26/campbell-looking-for-a-signal-of-trust/

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Campbell: I want to stay with 'Skins
Ryan O'Halloran
Thursday, March 26, 2009

Knowing full well his on-field actions and not off-field words will determine his future as the Washington Redskins' quarterback, Jason Campbell nonetheless remains unequivocal in his desire to stay with the franchise that drafted him four years ago.

But do the Redskins, despite their purported pursuit of Denver's Jay Cutler and the fact they are working out Southern California's Mark Sanchez, want Campbell?

"That's up to them," he said after a workout Tuesday at Redskin Park. "I definitely want to stay here. I like the D.C. area, and I like the fan support. I do think we're a team that can win in the near future, and I do think we're a team whose turn it will be to rip off wins year after year after year.

"Hopefully I can do things so they can know I'm their guy and I can take us where they want to go. I would like to get to the point where I know they really trust me."
Campbell, 16-20 since taking over the starting job in November 2006, enters the final season of his five-year contract with a salary cap number of $3.89 million. Unlike many other teams, the Redskins have adopted a wait-and-see attitude instead of locking up their young passer.

Campbell will be an unrestricted free agent in 2011, but if the owners and NFL Players Association don't extend the current collective bargaining agreement, he will be a restricted free agent (players will need six years of service to be unrestricted) and the Redskins could match any contract offer.



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[Hunter_R]

Of course he wants to stay here. Where else is he going to be the unconditional starter?

[IbleedBnG83]

Title should be "WT: Campbell: I want to stay with 'Skins":)

Just sayin is all...

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

I'm wishing the best for JC. I'm hoping he can get it done.

[Thinking Skins]

I was just reading this. I'm just hoping that it doesn't affect his play in a negative way.

[x96bryan10]

Title should be "WT: Campbell: I want to stay with 'Skins":)

Just sayin is all...

I know but once i put it i havent figured out how to go back and edit it

[mnb123]

I was just reading this. I'm just hoping that it doesn't affect his play in a negative way.

Hopefully it will light a fire under his ass

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Of course he wants to stay here. Where else is he going to be the unconditional starter?

:hysterical:

I'm probably reading too much into this, but the quote below wreaks of no confidence in himself to me. I'd be more inclined to say something along the lines of "I can't wait to show them how much I deserve to be the QB here for years to come". Probably just looking too much into it....

"I would like to get to the point where I know they really trust me."

[Forehead]

I know but once i put it i havent figured out how to go back and edit it


You hit "edit" and then "go advanced" to edit the title.

[#98QBKiller]

We've passed the learning aspect of this offense - now we're retooling

I've said it a million times but it's make or break for JC. I hope he sets it on fire....we'll see.

[x96bryan10]

You hit "edit" and then "go advanced" to edit the title.

Thanks I would hate to get hit with the ban hammer...

[SirClintonPortis]

So, in the midst of trade speculation and such, the alleged crybaby JC






...simply turns on the ignore button and not let it distract him from his game. He also has pretty much said that if they ship him elsewhere, he'll just go with no problem. So who wants to paint his character as a wuss who needs to be coddled again? Oh wait, that's the other JC.

[kuraitengai]

so he likes the DC area and the fan support?

apparently hes never perused the site here to see how he has been ripped several new ones in the past. lol

[flexxskins]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/26/campbell-looking-for-a-signal-of-trust/

Please click link thought article was to long to paste all of it here .
It's also a rule that you are not suppose to copy and paste the whole article here.

So you did good.:)

[AKM311]

:hysterical:

I'm probably reading too much into this, but the quote below wreaks of no confidence in himself to me. I'd be more inclined to say something along the lines of "I can't wait to show them how much I deserve to be the QB here for years to come". Probably just looking too much into it....

"I would like to get to the point where I know they really trust me."

He is a football player, not a PR major.

I love Campbell and is down to earth style. I am not one, that thinks only one style works. I think his teammates respect him and hopefully he gets a legit shot at becoming our franchise qb this year. But I also agree not to extend him until he proves it.

[SkinsHokieFan]

We all hope J-Cam does great this year. Nothing would make me happier

However, if a trade comes along to grab J-Cut, the Skins gotta do it

[eljeasel]

So, in the midst of trade speculation and such, the alleged crybaby JC






...simply turns on the ignore button and not let it distract him from his game. He also has pretty much said that if they ship him elsewhere, he'll just go with no problem. So who wants to paint his character as a wuss who needs to be coddled again? Oh wait, that's the other JC.

Haha good point. Most of the crybaby stuff is reaching for straws anyways.

[SirClintonPortis]

:hysterical:

I'm probably reading too much into this, but the quote below wreaks of no confidence in himself to me. I'd be more inclined to say something along the lines of "I can't wait to show them how much I deserve to be the QB here for years to come". Probably just looking too much into it....

"I would like to get to the point where I know they really trust me."That point can easily interpreted to be becoming a QB with adequate production to go deep into the playoffs.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

That point can easily interpreted to be becoming a QB with adequate production to go deep into the playoffs.

He had better protection than the QB that won the Super Bowl....

[SirClintonPortis]

He had better protection than the QB that won the Super Bowl....

I said production, not protection. ;)

[Skins PR]

I do think we're a team that can win in the near future, and I do think we're a team whose turn it will be to rip off wins year after year after year.


I see nothing to indicate that will be the case. We have no young O linemen, no young D linemen, an old RB...

The only thing that could make us be a perennial contender would be is if Jason turns into a stud QB.

[McD5]

Of course he wants to stay here. Where else is he going to be the unconditional starter?

Not a team in the league.

[flexxskins]

:hysterical:

I'm probably reading too much into this, but the quote below wreaks of no confidence in himself to me. I'd be more inclined to say something along the lines of "I can't wait to show them how much I deserve to be the QB here for years to come". Probably just looking too much into it....

"I would like to get to the point where I know they really trust me."I don't think that you are reading too much into that quote at all.

Another quote of his that kind of concerns me a bit is..."I felt like I had good numbers last year," Campbell added. It's the second time in a week that I have read the same statement from him, and it kind of makes me wonder whether or not he is more concerned with numbers than anything else.

IMO Campbell seems very tentative when it comes to throwing the long ball. It seems like he is more worried about over throwing his receiver and messing up his numbers/average, which in turn causes him to under throw his receiver a lot.:2cents:

[McD5]

I don't think that you are reading too much into that quote at all.


IMO Campbell seems very tentative when it comes to throwing the long ball. It seems like he is more worried about over throwing his receiver and messing up his numbers/average, which in turn causes him to under throw his receiver a lot times.:2cents:

He has one on two or three lowest completion percentages in the league on passes over 20 or 25 yards.

They are just shortened hail marys.

[DieHardSkins88]

Not a team in the league.

That's a little much... there are PLENTY of teams that would love to have jason cambell. Don't you have anything to say besides pessimistic views?

[1972FAN]

Does not matter, If he has a sub par year he's gone.

[emor09]

I can't wait to read this board when we let JC go and he is running an offense that allows him to throw down the field

[McD5]

That's a little much... there are PLENTY of teams that would love to have jason cambell. Don't you have anything to say besides pessimistic views?

Wow. Who do you really think would start him?

And without even competition?

I can think of maybe 1 team besides us.

Any team besides that would make him compete....and there is probably only one more of those.

[JTC228]

I've been a HUGE supporter of Campbell since he became our starter and still do support him as our starter 100%. I do think he has made improvements every week after week, and the last game against SF, even though it didn't mean much he was the only one who really showed a lot of heart. That being said, if our O-Line protects a little better for him this year and he still can't get it done, I do believe it may be time for a change.

[bubba9497]

He had better protection than the QB that won the Super Bowl....


and he had overall better reg season numbers than the QB that won the Super Bowl, except for only 4 fewer TD's and 56 fewer yards

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Of course he does. He wants to get paid and be here, but he needs to come through with production.

[Silent Majority]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/26/campbell-looking-for-a-signal-of-trust/

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Campbell: I want to stay with 'Skins
Ryan O'Halloran
Thursday, March 26, 2009

Knowing full well his on-field actions and not off-field words will determine his future as the Washington Redskins' quarterback, Jason Campbell nonetheless remains unequivocal in his desire to stay with the franchise that drafted him four years ago.

But do the Redskins, despite their purported pursuit of Denver's Jay Cutler and the fact they are working out Southern California's Mark Sanchez, want Campbell?

"That's up to them," he said after a workout Tuesday at Redskin Park. "I definitely want to stay here. I like the D.C. area, and I like the fan support. I do think we're a team that can win in the near future, and I do think we're a team whose turn it will be to rip off wins year after year after year.

"Hopefully I can do things so they can know I'm their guy and I can take us where they want to go. I would like to get to the point where I know they really trust me."
Campbell, 16-20 since taking over the starting job in November 2006, enters the final season of his five-year contract with a salary cap number of $3.89 million. Unlike many other teams, the Redskins have adopted a wait-and-see attitude instead of locking up their young passer.

Campbell will be an unrestricted free agent in 2011, but if the owners and NFL Players Association don't extend the current collective bargaining agreement, he will be a restricted free agent (players will need six years of service to be unrestricted) and the Redskins could match any contract offer.



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Great article, thanks OP. I'm sure JC will have a great year this year.

[flexxskins]

He has one on two or three lowest completion percentages in the league on passes over 20 or 25 yards.

They are just shortened hail marys.So then it is more than simply my opinion...it's a fact.:)

Well, I guess that all we can do now is hope that he is spending a whole lot of time sitting down with coach Zorn and watching a whole lot of film of himself. Because I tell you what, thanks to that NFL package that includes "Short Cuts", I have been able to watch every game again a number of times during this offseason, and Campbell has a lot of work to do on basic fundamentals.

[DieHardSkins88]

Wow. Who do you really think would start him?

And without even competition?

I can think of maybe 1 team besides us.

Any team besides that would make him compete....and there is probably only one more of those.

Ok, lets see. Jets, Bucs, Browns, Jags, 49ers, Minnesota, Detroit. Just to name a few. I see cambell being better then almost all of the qbs on these teams rosters; competition for browns and jags though, maybe even all the teams, but cambell would be able to beat out almost all of them i would bet.

[ntotoro]

I can't wait to read this board when we let JC go and he is running an offense that allows him to throw down the field

Just like Patrick Ramsey, right?

[SWFLSkins]

From Haps post in Breaking News.....

http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/03/redskins-notes.html

Let me do a little of Jason Campbell defending here, because we don't do it often. True, Campbell looked at times like he regressed by mid-season. He rolled the first half of the season, regressed the second half. BUT, didn't the whole team regress? What about the receivers? Were Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El as effective in the second half? I think not. Why did the Redskins waste a pick on Malcolm Kelly? Every other team knew his knee problems would be a major issues in his contributions. Not the Skins.

Can Jason Campbell blame some of his regression on the breakdown up front? Absolutely. I think when the front office evaluates Campbell, it also needs to do a reality check on ITSELF and the protection up front it provides Campbell to execute the offense. The offensive line is awful and so are the receivers. Little has changed, and we often attribute that here at DCPSR to front office malpractice.

[McD5]

Ok, lets see. Jets, Bucs, Browns, Jags, 49ers, Minnesota, Detroit. Just to name a few. I see cambell being better then almost all of the qbs on these teams rosters; competition for browns and jags though, maybe even all the teams, but cambell would be able to beat out almost all of them i would bet.

Possible. Everyone certainly is entitled to an opinion.

I would disagree on a few of those for sure. Browns and Jags to start.

Browns already have 2 qbs. Doubt they would even give up a 5th rounder for another.

Bucs? 2nd string there. Unlikely they would even let him compete.

Detroit is the one team I could see starting him.

And Minny they would let him compete.


That isn't saying a whole lot.....when the starter of our team might start on two other teams.....and might be able to compete for a spot on three others.

He is definitely a weak link on an offense that has a several weak links.

[flexxskins]

From Haps post in Breaking News.....

http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/03/redskins-notes.html

Let me do a little of Jason Campbell defending here, because we don't do it often. True, Campbell looked at times like he regressed by mid-season. He rolled the first half of the season, regressed the second half. BUT, didn't the whole team regress? What about the receivers? Were Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El as effective in the second half? I think not. Why did the Redskins waste a pick on Malcolm Kelly? Every other team knew his knee problems would be a major issues in his contributions. Not the Skins.

Can Jason Campbell blame some of his regression on the breakdown up front? Absolutely. I think when the front office evaluates Campbell, it also needs to do a reality check on ITSELF and the protection up front it provides Campbell to execute the offense. The offensive line is awful and so are the receivers. Little has changed, and we often attribute that here at DCPSR to front office malpractice.Dear gawd, you called the o-line "awful"...be prepared to have a **** load of stats/numbers tossed at you in a few.:)

It's just a matter of time.

[Hooper]

I'm not a big believer in JC, but I really hope he proves me wrong. Class act and very easy to root for.

[skinsfan07]

I'm wishing the best for JC. I'm hoping he can get it done.

agreed.

[DCMONEY]

I've been a HUGE supporter of Campbell since he became our starter and still do support him as our starter 100%. I do think he has made improvements every week after week, and the last game against SF, even though it didn't mean much he was the only one who really showed a lot of heart. That being said, if our O-Line protects a little better for him this year and he still can't get it done, I do believe it may be time for a change.

The only thing I disagee with you about is that the O-line has to protect a lot better. The O-line that the Skins left off with last season was soft like tissue paper. NO QB is gonna consistently sit behind that line and stasy healthy.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I said production, not protection. ;)

I have a problem with reading too quickly :silly:

Sorry :)


and he had overall better reg season numbers than the QB that won the Super Bowl, except for only 4 fewer TD's and 56 fewer yards

....and Brunell was 24/27 against the Texans a few years back. The numbers don't tell the whole story.

[skinsgirl26]

so he likes the DC area and the fan support?

apparently hes never perused the site here to see how he has been ripped several new ones in the past. lol

That was my first thought when I read that...obviously he doesn't spend too much time on ES...:silly:

That being said, I obviously want Campbell to do well. At least he wants to be here. Or maybe he's just talkin outa his butt...it's not like he's gunna tell the WT that he hates DC and wants to be gone...whichever, he knows he needs to step it up this season or it's "hello Colt"

Only time will tell...

[Skinz248]

I want JC back on the Skins next year. If he has a good year his price will go up. I think we will see a much different offense this coming season. I am excited to see how JC progresses in his second year of the WCO, and I also would like to see what the 2nd rounders can do.

I love how the Times is still pushing around the fact that we are trying to get Cutler even though EVERYONE that has spoke to the media has said its not a factor.

[DCMONEY]

There has been some serious venom spewed for JC on this forum. Unbelievable.

[LandoverLex]

I really hope we keep Campbell. I think Redskins fans are always in a rush to throw in the backup. Unless you go back to Jurgensen or Baugh. We have never had a true franchise QB and we havent really given any of our home grown QBs suffcient time to develop. Look back at our QBs I would take Jason over Brunell,Shuler,George,Matthews,Wuerful,Ramsey,Bank s,Frerotte,Conklin,Rutledge or any other scrub QB we have had over the years. Brad Johnson could have been our franchise QB but Danny boy pissed him off. Lets give Campbell one more year. If this team is forced to turn to Colt Brennan a late round Qb from a gimmick offense. We are in deep trouble for the next 4-5 years.

[IrepDC]

so, in the midst of trade speculation and such, the alleged crybaby jc






...simply turns on the ignore button and not let it distract him from his game. He also has pretty much said that if they ship him elsewhere, he'll just go with no problem. So who wants to paint his character as a wuss who needs to be coddled again? Oh wait, that's the other jc.

ding ding ding! Qft

[clarkskin]

JC is a rare breed in the NFL right now--a player that doesn't talk trash, doesn't whine to the media, doesn't make contract demands, doesn't throw his teammates under the bus, doesn't pout like a baby, and simply focuses on doing his job better and helping the team win. I don't understand why he draws so much bitterness and anger from the ES crowd. Root for the guy--he's young, talented, and is a class act.

[mnb123]

I don't understand why he draws so much bitterness and anger from the ES crowd. Root for the guy--he's young, talented, and is a class act.

If he played good I would like him.

[wvtbred]

That's a little much... there are PLENTY of teams that would love to have jason cambell. Don't you have anything to say besides pessimistic views?

Do you know who and have a phone number?

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Of course he wants to stay here. Where else is he going to be the unconditional starter?

Direct and to the point.

Thread answered succinctly in post 2, with the added "Or be excused by so many for so much."

Hail.

[Silent Majority]

From Haps post in Breaking News.....

http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/03/redskins-notes.html

Let me do a little of Jason Campbell defending here, because we don't do it often. True, Campbell looked at times like he regressed by mid-season. He rolled the first half of the season, regressed the second half. BUT, didn't the whole team regress? What about the receivers? Were Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El as effective in the second half? I think not. Why did the Redskins waste a pick on Malcolm Kelly? Every other team knew his knee problems would be a major issues in his contributions. Not the Skins.

Can Jason Campbell blame some of his regression on the breakdown up front? Absolutely. I think when the front office evaluates Campbell, it also needs to do a reality check on ITSELF and the protection up front it provides Campbell to execute the offense. The offensive line is awful and so are the receivers. Little has changed, and we often attribute that here at DCPSR to front office malpractice.


QFT, as I'm sure the usual suspects will ignore it.

[ST is my boy]

Im behind you JC ONE HUNDRED percent. Lets do this!!

[ntotoro]

JC is a rare breed in the NFL right now--a player that doesn't talk trash, doesn't whine to the media, doesn't make contract demands, doesn't throw his teammates under the bus, doesn't pout like a baby, and simply focuses on doing his job better and helping the team win. I don't understand why he draws so much bitterness and anger from the ES crowd. Root for the guy--he's young, talented, and is a class act.

Might have to do with the "helping the team win" part, of which he hasn't done a whole lot.

Most of the anger comes from the apparent situation that the team won't allow anyone to challenge for the starting QB position, especially when Campbell hasn't exactly done a whole lot to show he can take this team on his shoulders in a pinch. I don't think anyone has anything against Campbell personally, but it's obvious to plenty that he doesn't have the leadership (or even talent) qualities needed for a franchise NFL Qb.

[clarkskin]

If he played good I would like him.

Brilliantly put. He has played well. Were you saying that at the halfway point last year? Or was he not playing well enough for you at that point--quarterbacking his team to a 6-2 mark with road wins in Philly and Dallas?

[mnb123]

Brilliantly put. He has played well. Were you saying that at the halfway point last year? Or was he not playing well enough for you at that point--quarterbacking his team to a 6-2 mark with road wins in Philly and Dallas?

So lets just pretend like 2-6 never happened? You can cherry pick 6 good games by almost any QB in the league.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Might have to do with the "helping the team win" part, of which he hasn't done a whole lot.

Most of the anger comes from the apparent situation that the team won't allow anyone to challenge for the starting QB position, especially when Campbell hasn't exactly done a whole lot to show he can take this team on his shoulders in a pinch. I don't think anyone has anything against Campbell personally, but it's obvious to plenty that he doesn't have the leadership (or even talent) qualities needed for a franchise NFL Qb.

Great post.

I don't hate JC, hell I've been typing most of my opinions on him while wearing my Campbell jersey (how's that for irony? :silly:). The fact is we can most definitely improve that position. Being it's one of the most critical on the field, we need to explore our options and give anyone a chance that can compete.

[ST is my boy]

Brilliantly put. He has played well. Were you saying that at the halfway point last year? Or was he not playing well enough for you at that point--quarterbacking his team to a 6-2 mark with road wins in Philly and Dallas?

Dont bother even responding to that guy. Hes clearly one of MANY scabs on this messege board that just spew crap with nothing to back it up to get a rise out of people.

These types of people need to just start being ignored.....they will go away.

[clarkskin]

Might have to do with the "helping the team win" part, of which he hasn't done a whole lot.

Most of the anger comes from the apparent situation that the team won't allow anyone to challenge for the starting QB position, especially when Campbell hasn't exactly done a whole lot to show he can take this team on his shoulders in a pinch. I don't think anyone has anything against Campbell personally, but it's obvious to plenty that he doesn't have the leadership (or even talent) qualities needed for a franchise NFL Qb.

I can't imagine what those "plenty" are watching. He's big, strong-armed, tough, and mobile. He's a first round talent. His teammates admire his calm demeanor--he doesn't get rattled. More progression in his game this year, and we'll be fine. BUT that depends upon his teammates stepping it up--namely o-line and the young receivers. He basically had Moss and Coolely the last half of the season, and that is not enough for any QB. He'll be fine.

[wvtbred]

Brilliantly put. He has played well. Were you saying that at the halfway point last year? Or was he not playing well enough for you at that point--quarterbacking his team to a 6-2 mark with road wins in Philly and Dallas?

He did enough NOT to lose the games I'll give him that but Portis was a machine in that game span.

[mnb123]

If you want to see a QB that thrives with zero o-line, a mediocre run game, 1 good WR and 1 good TE, and barely any experience in a system, watch some Tyler Thigpen highlights.

[wvtbred]

If you want to see a QB that thrives with zero o-line, a mediocre run game, 1 good WR and 1 good TE, and barely any experience in a system, watch some Tyler Thigpen highlights.

I have and I would take Tyler in a heartbeat.

[ST is my boy]

He did enough NOT to lose the games I'll give him that but Portis was a machine in that game span.

Portis was a TOTAL beast....no doubt. But CP needed the Passing game to keep the defenses honest.....which is ALL we need. We are a running football team....PERIOD.

JC kept them honest until the Oline decided to not block for JC, or CP. I was watching all of our games just yesterday and there is SEVERAL plays where JC no question should have been sacked. And he just easily sidestepped and completed a pass, a couple of those went for TD's (Detriot, and New Orleans both to Tana).

JC is going to progress this year......if he doesnt fine hes done. But until then....support our quarterback!

[brlawson]

If you want to see a QB that thrives with zero o-line, a mediocre run game, 1 good WR and 1 good TE, and barely any experience in a system, watch some Tyler Thigpen highlights.

Mediocre?? Portis put the team on his shoulders, and name one RB who can carry a team to the playoffs not named Peterson. (And don't you dare say Michael Turner or DeAngelo Williams they had badass QB's and WR's to take pressure off them)

[mnb123]

Mediocre?? Portis put the team on his shoulders, and name one RB who can carry a team to the playoffs not named Peterson. (And don't you dare say Michael Turner or DeAngelo Williams they had badass QB's and WR's to take pressure off them)

I wasn't talking about Portis, I was talking about Kansas's running game. They have Larry Johnson+ ????

[ntotoro]

I can't imagine what those "plenty" are watching. He's big, strong-armed, tough, and mobile. He's a first round talent. His teammates admire his calm demeanor--he doesn't get rattled. More progression in his game this year, and we'll be fine. BUT that depends upon his teammates stepping it up--namely o-line and the young receivers. He basically had Moss and Coolely the last half of the season, and that is not enough for any QB. He'll be fine.

Technically, Alex Smith and Mike Williams also have first-round talent, whatever that means anymore.

He may not get rattled, but he also doesn't seem to motivate. What point during the season, especially during the second-half, did you ever see Campbell pick up this team, smack them around and bit and tell the guys to get their acts together. Everything gets blamed but Campbell, which almost seems to make it look like he has to have everything perfect in order to be any good! How does that separate him from anyone else.

It's like... "Well, Jason would be good except that he has no WR's, no O-Line, no RB... " and it isn't as if we have little-league talent playing. We have some guys long in the tooth, but certainly no one so bad that the almighty Jason Campbell can't do his thing. Every team has injuries. The team finished 2-6. So that's all the fault of the playcalling, Jansen and everyone else except the QB... ? I mean... it's almost as if people are saying he has to have 2-3 good WR's, a good TE, an all-pro line and a great RB all on the field at the same time, otherwise he can't be expected to be any good.

Portis was playing lights-out most of the first eight games. He was more the reason for the success during than period, much more so than Campbell.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

If you want to see a QB that thrives with zero o-line, a mediocre run game, 1 good WR and 1 good TE, and barely any experience in a system, watch some Tyler Thigpen highlights.

It's lies, all LIES I tell ya'! :doh:

Hail.

[brlawson]

I wasn't talking about Portis, I was talking about Kansas's running game. They have Larry Johnson+ ????

haha LJ? They may as well have put the Priest in there.

[ST is my boy]

He may not get rattled, but he also doesn't seem to motivate. What point during the season, especially during the second-half, did you ever see Campbell pick up this team, smack them around and bit and tell the guys to get their acts together. Everything gets blamed but Campbell, which almost seems to make it look like he has to have everything perfect in order to be any good! How does that separate him from anyone else.

How do you know he didnt??? Are you in the lockerroom? No your not dude.....I mean christ does he have to be T.O style yelling at his teammates on the sideline to be a leader?

I have heard TONS of lockerroom comments from players calling JC their leader.

[BuryYourDuke]

He doesn't have the right attitude to be a winner in this league. Plain and simple.

[terpskins10]

JC is a rare breed in the NFL right now--a player that doesn't talk trash, doesn't whine to the media, doesn't make contract demands, doesn't throw his teammates under the bus, doesn't pout like a baby, and simply focuses on doing his job better and helping the team win. I don't understand why he draws so much bitterness and anger from the ES crowd. Root for the guy--he's young, talented, and is a class act.

I agree completely. I've told several members that I don't have a problem whatsoever if someone is critical of his play. He hasn't consistently played where he should.

But the attacks on his character are baseless and foolish. Aside from maybe the need to be more emotional (that being said, we don't know how he is in the huddle), he's exactly what you would look for, character-wise, in an NFL player.

It's just silly. He's going to be the starter until Zorn says he isn't. It's best for the team if he plays well. He's easy to root for. Why not root for him to do well?

[ntotoro]

How do you know he didnt??? Are you in the lockerroom? No your not dude.....I mean christ does he have to be T.O style yelling at his teammates on the sideline to be a leader?

I have heard TONS of lockerroom comments from players calling JC their leader.

If he did and they did say that, it sure as hell didn't show on the field. The Offense played with about zero fire.

The way you guys describe it, we have zero talent anywhere except for two guys on the Offense. I think everyone knows that's not the case. If it takes so much talent for Campbell to get anything done, then maybe he's the one who needs to be questioned.

[brlawson]

Kurt Warner has a great attitude, and great play. Campbell has a great attitude and not great play.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

*Double Post*

[#98QBKiller]

I see nothing to indicate that will be the case. We have no young O linemen, no young D linemen, an old RB...

The only thing that could make us be a perennial contender would be is if Jason turns into a stud QB.

You don't want a bunch of young OL and DL just for the sake of them being young, you want a solid mix of veterans and young guys on the rise. Go look at the ages of the OL & DL on all of the successful teams in the league and tell me what you find.

[ST is my boy]

If he did and they did say that, it sure as hell didn't show on the field. The Offense played with about zero fire.

The way you guys describe it, we have zero talent anywhere except for two guys on the Offense. I think everyone knows that's not the case. If it takes so much talent for Campbell to get anything done, then maybe he's the one who needs to be questioned.

I honestly think everyone on this board overvalues our whole team, but thats a whole different discussion.

Who knows maybe JC is the one who needs to be questioned......we are going to find out. But im damn sure going to be rooting for him, and the redskins as a team to do well. Unlike some people on this site...

[texasthunder]

and he had overall better reg season numbers than the QB that won the Super Bowl, except for only 4 fewer TD's and 56 fewer yards


Cmon Bubba-


You cant seriously believe Jason is in the same class as Big Ben, can you???

And how about wins, didnt Ben have 4 more regular season wins then Jason?? ;)

I am sorry to see you say that Jason had 4 fewer Td''s then Ben, because with those 4 tds placed at the right time, we would have definitly been in the playoffs.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

JC is going to progress this year......if he doesnt fine hes done. But until then....support our quarterback!

You can criticize and still support him. I hope JC blows everyone out of the water and I'll be rooting for him if he is still a Redskin this season. I'm not going to ignore the issues though because of that. The sad part is, everyone's excuse for him was the OL, but they say the OL was fine in the first 8 games.

Look at something here....

Through the first 8 games, our offense average 20.6 ppg.

Even at that, we would've ranked 24th in the league for the season. That's taking away the 8 games that everyone is "blaming" the OL for.

Through those games, CP had 944 yards or 118 ypg (tops of the league).

Go ahead, blame the OL for the second half of the season, but who will you blame for the lack of productivity on offense for the first half?

[ST is my boy]

*Double Post*

Valid points.....my question to you is....do you think Zorn is putting him in a position to suceed? Do you think Zorns plays are unpredictable enough, that JC even has a chance out there?

[brlawson]

I want him to succeed, but more importantly I want the Skins to win baby win, which I'm not convinced JC can do.

[IrepDC]

JC is a rare breed in the NFL right now--a player that doesn't talk trash, doesn't whine to the media, doesn't make contract demands, doesn't throw his teammates under the bus, doesn't pout like a baby, and simply focuses on doing his job better and helping the team win. I don't understand why he draws so much bitterness and anger from the ES crowd. Root for the guy--he's young, talented, and is a class act.

Yeah I don't understand it either. It seems like, with his type of personality, he would be the one player our fans could be patient with. Especially since he has undeniably improved each year. Some people just do NOT like the idea of Jason being the face of this franchise. Hoepully Campbell continues to ignore our philly-esque fans and keeps improving his game.

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

So lets just pretend like 2-6 never happened? You can cherry pick 6 good games by almost any QB in the league.

To be fair, he was asking if you were saying the same thing before the entire team went to hell. Or if even in that timespan you considered Campbell to be sub par.


If you want to see a QB that thrives with zero o-line, a mediocre run game, 1 good WR and 1 good TE, and barely any experience in a system, watch some Tyler Thigpen highlights.

And his team managed to win just 2 games. He ended up with 2,600 yards, 6.2 yard per pass average, 18 TDs and 12 INTS, a 76.0 QB rating, and 54% Completion Rate, and was sacked 26 times.

Jason ended up with 3,200 yards, 6.4 yard per pass average, 13 TDs and 6 INTS, a 84.3 QB rating, and 62% Completion Rate, and was sacked 38 times.

So aside from the TD:INT ratio, I don't know if you can say Tyler "thrived". Don't get me wrong, I thought Thigpen was impressive at times. But he was hardly thriving.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Valid points.....my question to you is....do you think Zorn is putting him in a position to suceed? Do you think Zorns plays are unpredictable enough, that JC even has a chance out there?

When your running game is that successful you should absolutely be producing. It's a ****ing joke we weren't. One of the best running games in the NFL during that stretch and we can only rank 24 in ppg? There's an issue there that has nothing to do with the coaching, OL, receivers, etc. and that's the QB play.

[terpskins10]

I honestly think everyone on this board overvalues our whole team, but thats a whole different discussion.

Who knows maybe JC is the one who needs to be questioned......we are going to find out. But im damn sure going to be rooting for him, and the redskins as a team to do well. Unlike some people on this site...

Bingo. He's the QB and nothing any schmuck says on here - not me, you, or anyone else - is going to do anything to change it. So root for him to do well. It will make things much easier for this team in the future to not have a QB controversy every year, as much as the city seems to love them.

[wvtbred]

To be fair, he was asking if you were saying the same thing before the entire team went to hell. Or if even in that timespan you considered Campbell to be sub par.



And his team managed to win just 2 games. He ended up with 2,600 yards, 6.2 yard per pass average, 18 TDs and 12 INTS, a 76.0 QB rating, and 54% Completion Rate, and was sacked 26 times.

Jason ended up with 3,200 yards, 6.4 yard per pass average, 13 TDs and 6 INTS, a 84.3 QB rating, and 62% Completion Rate, and was sacked 38 times.

So aside from the TD:INT ratio, I don't know if you can say Tyler "thrived". Don't get me wrong, I thought Thigpen was impressive at times. But he was hardly thriving.

Tyler only played in 14 games yet still threw 5 more TD's then Jason.

[wvtbred]

To be fair, he was asking if you were saying the same thing before the entire team went to hell. Or if even in that timespan you considered Campbell to be sub par.



And his team managed to win just 2 games. He ended up with 2,600 yards, 6.2 yard per pass average, 18 TDs and 12 INTS, a 76.0 QB rating, and 54% Completion Rate, and was sacked 26 times.

Jason ended up with 3,200 yards, 6.4 yard per pass average, 13 TDs and 6 INTS, a 84.3 QB rating, and 62% Completion Rate, and was sacked 38 times.

So aside from the TD:INT ratio, I don't know if you can say Tyler "thrived". Don't get me wrong, I thought Thigpen was impressive at times. But he was hardly thriving.

Tyler only played in 14 games yet still threw 5 more TD's then Jason.

[IrepDC]

I have and I would take Tyler in a heartbeat.

..and on the next beat you'd be complaining looking for the next QB to jump on.

[wvtbred]

Damn double post, sorry

[ST is my boy]

When your running game is that successful you should absolutely be producing. It's a ****ing joke we weren't. One of the best running games in the NFL during that stretch and we can only rank 24 in ppg? There's an issue there that has nothing to do with the coaching, OL, receivers, etc. and that's the QB play.

I disagree.....the second half of the year the coaches playcalling STRAIGHT UP SUCKED. Every team knew EXACTLY what we were doing pre-play. Not saying JC is not of any fault....but Zorn was nothing short of awful.

[Dana87]

Of course he wants to stay here. Where else is he going to be the unconditional starter?

Oh I don't Know... Maybe...

MINNESOTA
DETROIT
CHICAGO
NY JETS
TAMPA BAY
SAN FRANCISCO

[Shilsu]

If he wants to sign for less and no guarantee of a starting spot, go for it.

He'd be a damn good backup QB for the Redskins, and if we fail to find a replacement for him at starter, I see no reason he can't be our version of Kerry Collins.

[wvtbred]

..and on the next beat you'd be complaining looking for the next QB to jump on.


Doubt it I saw what he can do. That was his first year and he out performed Jason, imagine the upside.

[wvtbred]

Oh I don't Know... Maybe...

MINNESOTA
DETROIT
CHICAGO
NY JETS
TAMPA BAY
SAN FRANCISCO

Well start making some phone calls.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I disagree.....the second half of the year the coaches playcalling STRAIGHT UP SUCKED. Every team knew EXACTLY what we were doing pre-play. Not saying JC is not of any fault....but Zorn was nothing short of awful.

The second half it became stale, but so did our players.

What's the excuse for the first half? JC is largely to blame for that lack of production....

[clarkskin]

So lets just pretend like 2-6 never happened? You can cherry pick 6 good games by almost any QB in the league.
Of course you are not supposed to just forget that 2-6 ever happened. Thats not the point. And picking the first half of the season is not "cherry picking." There were two distinct halves of the season, and neither one rests solely on JC's shoulders. The second half can mostly be attributed to poor o-line play and injuries, lack of production in the running game, lack of production from anyone not named Moss and Cooley, late defensive collapses, and a whole host of other issues. Its not all on JC. But you said you'd like him is he played "good." So that was my question to you. Did you like him after wins and hate him after losses? Pretty unstable.

[texasthunder]

Might have to do with the "helping the team win" part, of which he hasn't done a whole lot.

Most of the anger comes from the apparent situation that the team won't allow anyone to challenge for the starting QB position, especially when Campbell hasn't exactly done a whole lot to show he can take this team on his shoulders in a pinch. I don't think anyone has anything against Campbell personally, but it's obvious to plenty that he doesn't have the leadership (or even talent) qualities needed for a franchise NFL Qb.


Some very good points, especially in regard to his leadership capabilities.

That said, I have always believed in Coach Zorn, and if he thinks he can make JC into a winner, then lets get it done.

[elkabong82]

Tyler only played in 14 games yet still threw 5 more TD's then Jason.

and threw 6 more INTs, and played in a crappy division, and his team had a worse record overall. Odd how people use the team's W-L record against JC, but for some reason it isn't considered now with Thigpen.

The Chiefs traded a 2nd rounder for Cassell because Thigpen tore it up so much. :silly: Seriously, I know TDs are important, but many of you severaly undervalue the rest of a QBs performance as a result of overvaluing TDs. Thigpen threw more TD's than Roethlisberger, so is he better than Big Ben too?

It is also very amusing that many people claiming that "Campbell is done, I've seen enough," base this almost solely on the W-L record, or TDs, the 2 areas JC wasn't stellar in. Yet, when you point out Cutler went 8-8 also, it's "oh their D was 28th." I thought we weren't supposed to make "excuses" for a QB, cuz a good one gets it done anyways right?

Then it's pointed out that Ben's stats were actually worse than JC's, and then it once again becomes all about W-L record, with no consideration that their D helped out a lot. So in Cutler's case the D hurt him, but in Ben's case the D didn't help? There is a ridiculous double standard with JC, and most of it is due solely to the W-L record, and people acting as if QB has most do with that, rather than the entire TEAM. Football is a team sport, there are 10 other guys on offense on the field also. Go figure.

[ST is my boy]

The second half it became stale, but so did our players.

What's the excuse for the first half? JC is largely to blame for that lack of production....

JC wasnt exactly asked to do much for the first half of the year dude. And EVERYTHING he was asked to do he did. He was told to take care of the ball and not lose games. And that was damn sure what he was doing.

When teams caught on to what we were doing it forced us to start throwing the ball. Well our offensive line started to wind down, and our recievers were running THE WRONG ROUTES (Devin, Malcom specifically). Not to mention we are running a west coast style passing game with 2 recievers who are short, and under 200 lbs.

It all just didnt mesh well in the second half of the season dude. And it sure as hell wasnt ALL on Jason.

[terpskins10]

Of course you are not supposed to just forget that 2-6 ever happened. Thats not the point. And picking the first half of the season is not "cherry picking." There were two distinct halves of the season, and neither one rests solely on JC's shoulders. The second half can mostly be attributed to poor o-line play and injuries, lack of production in the running game, lack of production from anyone not named Moss and Cooley, late defensive collapses, and a whole host of other issues. Its not all on JC. But you said you'd like him is he played "good." So that was my question to you. Did you like him after wins and hate him after losses? Pretty unstable.

I agree with you here. No one seems to be talking about, in the muddle of how our defense is ranked 4th in the NFL, that they consistently failed to hold the other team down at the end of games. The Cowboys, Ravens, and Bengals games especially showed that Campbell never even got a chance to go back and win those games.

We may have been ranked 4th in total defense, but our defense was hardly blameless.

[Taylor 36]

I honestly think everyone on this board overvalues our whole team, but thats a whole different discussion.

Who knows maybe JC is the one who needs to be questioned......we are going to find out. But im damn sure going to be rooting for him, and the redskins as a team to do well. Unlike some people on this site...
I'm not sure what you mean by the end of your post there. There are many here that criticize JC, but that doesn't mean we want our team to not succeed. Hell, that is the reason we are critical.

We are Redskins fans, first and formost. This isn't about wanting certain players to do well and others not to do well. We ALL want a winning team, a team that doesn't struggle down the stretch or to put up points. We are tired of being mediocre.

When we win a game, it would be nice to win by more than three or four points. People on this board bitched and moaned about Gibbs and Brunnell and how we didin't put teams away when we had the chance. Guess what, we haven't shown we can put teams away. Only one of our wins last year was a dominating performance. And our losses, to some of the teams we lost to (or just BARELY beat the worst team in NFL history), no one should be proud or happy about ANy of that.

No one is rooting against JC, we are rooting for the Redskins. We want the man that gives us the best chance for success, and many of us do not see JC as being that guy. And from the sounds of this article, even JC himself has doubts about that.

[ST is my boy]

No one is rooting against JC

I agree with most of what you posted.....I do. But THIS part I totally disagree with. Maybe not you specifically....but there is NO QUESTION tons of people on this site salivating at the thought of JC failing.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

JC wasnt exactly asked to do much for the first half of the year dude. And EVERYTHING he was asked to do he did. He was told to take care of the ball and not lose games. And that was damn sure what he was doing.

When teams caught on to what we were doing it forced us to start throwing the ball. Well our offensive line started to wind down, and our recievers were running THE WRONG ROUTES (Devin, Malcom specifically). Not to mention we are running a west coast style passing game with 2 recievers who are short, and under 200 lbs.

It all just didnt mesh well in the second half of the season dude. And it sure as hell wasnt ALL on Jason.

Dude! Where's my car!? :silly:

Like I've said before he's a good game-manager, but he's not going to be the QB that can overcome even the slightest problems to lead our team. That's what we need. There are QBs that can overcome their OL (to a degree), their lack of running game, even their mediocre receivers. JC can do NONE of the above. That's a big issue. Everything is an excuse for him from the fans. What happens when he's mediocre again this year? We've wasted another year and every one of our players has gotten a year older.

[clarkskin]

He doesn't have the right attitude to be a winner in this league. Plain and simple.
Another brilliantly laid out argument. What does this mean? And what are you basing it on?

[Taylor 36]

I agree with you here. No one seems to be talking about, in the muddle of how our defense is ranked 4th in the NFL, that they consistently failed to hold the other team down at the end of games. The Cowboys, Ravens, and Bengals games especially showed that Campbell never even got a chance to go back and win those games.

We may have been ranked 4th in total defense, but our defense was hardly blameless.
How about all the three and outs JC had in those games that wore the Defense down and resulted in no points, allowing for the other teams the ability to still have a chance at the end of those games to win???

[mnb123]

To be fair, he was asking if you were saying the same thing before the entire team went to hell. Or if even in that timespan you considered Campbell to be sub par.



And his team managed to win just 2 games. He ended up with 2,600 yards, 6.2 yard per pass average, 18 TDs and 12 INTS, a 76.0 QB rating, and 54% Completion Rate, and was sacked 26 times.

Jason ended up with 3,200 yards, 6.4 yard per pass average, 13 TDs and 6 INTS, a 84.3 QB rating, and 62% Completion Rate, and was sacked 38 times.

So aside from the TD:INT ratio, I don't know if you can say Tyler "thrived". Don't get me wrong, I thought Thigpen was impressive at times. But he was hardly thriving.

He played 14 games, didn't become the full time starter until week 8, and got noticeably better as the season went on.

Most of his big plays were made outside of the pocket. If you think JC gets alot of pressure, this guy was running for his life most of the season, but still made alot of great throws on the run. From what I can see, he was also hitting recievers who had barely and seperation most of the time.

IMO if he can get on a team as a full time starter he has a much better chance at success in this league than Jason Campbell.

[LadySkinsFan]

JC is NOT a leader. His quotes say it all. He's tentative, uses passive voice. I want my leader to be confident and assertive and active. JC is none of those things.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I agree with most of what you posted.....I do. But THIS part I totally disagree with. Maybe not you specifically....but there is NO QUESTION tons of people on this site salivating at the thought of JC failing.

That's absurd, no matter how pessimistic some might be.

JC failing = our team failing. Nobody is going to salivate at that thought.

[Taylor 36]

I agree with most of what you posted.....I do. But THIS part I totally disagree with. Maybe not you specifically....but there is NO QUESTION tons of people on this site salivating at the thought of JC failing.
Well, I will say that I have honestly not seen anyone post that they are rooting against this team or JC, just so JC will fail.

[brlawson]

2010 CB Starts

[ST is my boy]

Dude! Where's my car!? :silly:

Like I've said before he's a good game-manager, but he's not going to be the QB that can overcome even the slightest problems to lead our team. That's what we need. There are QBs that can overcome their OL (to a degree), their lack of running game, even their mediocre receivers. JC can do NONE of the above. That's a big issue. Everything is an excuse for him from the fans. What happens when he's mediocre again this year? We've wasted another year and every one of our players has gotten a year older.

I may have thrown a few to dudes in there.....im a little worked up what can I say.

Anyway. Like I have said we'll see. You have no CLUE whether he has hit his peak yet. He could light it up this year....you never know.

Wasted another year? By giving the guy his last shot? He did sign a 5 year contract.....he hasnt played badly enough to not be able to play it out... DUDE :silly:

[elkabong82]

He played 14 games, didn't become the full time starter until week 8, and got noticeably better as the season went on.

Most of his big plays were made outside of the pocket. If you think JC gets alot of pressure, this guy was running for his life most of the season, but still made alot of great throws on the run. From what I can see, he was also hitting recievers who had barely and seperation most of the time.

IMO if he can get on a team as a full time starter he has a much better chance at success in this league than Jason Campbell.


KC and Pioli disagree, which is why they got Cassel. Thigpen only won 1 game he started, against the Raiders, lol.

[IrepDC]

If he did and they did say that, it sure as hell didn't show on the field. The Offense played with about zero fire.

The way you guys describe it, we have zero talent anywhere except for two guys on the Offense. I think everyone knows that's not the case. If it takes so much talent for Campbell to get anything done, then maybe he's the one who needs to be questioned.

Forget all that over analyzing and hypothetical blaming plots. WATCH THE GAMES. Jason may miss a few throws, but you'll see far more missed blocks and dropped passes in critical situations. It's not like people are making these things up. You can try to downplay our problems with the OL and WRs in this thread all you want but you're probably right with all of us "excuse makers" asking to draft an OL and hoping our WR's step up.

[STBonecrusher21]

2010 CB Starts

Wow.

Keep it coming with the very insightful posts.

[PROSCOUT]

I see nothing to indicate that will be the case. We have no young O linemen, no young D linemen, an old RB...

The only thing that could make us be a perennial contender would be is if Jason turns into a stud QB.

So you think Derrick Dockery is an old man? You think Stephan Heyer is an old man? We can use the 3rd round pick on a young Center. "We have no young O linemen"? Your comment makes no sense especially since veterans offensive linemen are preferred over rookies anyway, and we have a group of 3 veteran starters plus TWO younger guys. No team needs to replace more than ONE starter per year. Offensive linemen usually play for 10-12 years so whats the problem.

[ST is my boy]

Well, I will say that I have honestly not seen anyone post that they are rooting against this team or JC, just so JC will fail.

The sooner JC fails, the sooner Colt Brennan starts.......just saying.

[terpskins10]

How about all the three and outs JC had in those games that wore the Defense down and resulted in no points, allowing for the other teams the ability to still have a chance at the end of those games to win???

My point is that the whole team is to blame, not just one player. Posters tend to put losses squarely on JC and the wins on the rest of the team, mainly the D.

I really think a lot of people just don't want Campbell to succeed, for whatever reason. A lot of it stems from the high expectations from the media the last few off-seasons not coming to fruition, but the problems with this team go a lot farther than Campbell.

All I'm saying is that out of all the problems with this team, we have a guy that has a lot of talent and great, great character and work ethic. This is the year. If he doesn't play well, he's gone and we can move on. If he does, it makes things a lot easier on this team for the future. I think the latter is what 'Skins fans want to see.

[mnb123]

KC and Pioli disagree, which is why they got Cassel. Thigpen only won 1 game he started, against the Raiders, lol.


Why would Pioli not want Cassel? He was available, and bred by Pioli. They have a familiarity.

Most new coaches/GM's can bring in the players they want, just not ours.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I agree with most of what you posted.....I do. But THIS part I totally disagree with. Maybe not you specifically....but there is NO QUESTION tons of people on this site salivating at the thought of JC failing.

"Expecting", sadly, based on what's gone before to date, and "wanting", are two COMPLETELY different things.

Anyone that WANTS Campbell, or ANY Redskin to fail, isn't worth the preverbal.

People want the best for the B&G, PERIOD!

But to class people as doing that, or call them "haters", because they have the gall to question the current starting QB, and dare to suggest we could do better than his average production from his career to date, is arrogant in the extreme, to be kind.

Hail.

[terpskins10]

Well, I will say that I have honestly not seen anyone post that they are rooting against this team or JC, just so JC will fail.

I don't want to lump all the Hawaii fans together, but most of them are non-Redskins fans that joined this forum April 2008. They ARE salivating at JC failing because they are not fans of this team and want to see their guy play in the NFL.

[tone_dubbz]

JC better come out gunning this year and start make some plays. I know the it was difficult for him only having 2 reliable targets in the passing game, but for a good QB that should be enough.

I also blame the OLine protection scheme, and the age of the players.

Its his second year in the system, so he better be able to do more than 13 tds for the season.

[elkabong82]

Forget all that over analyzing and hypothetical blaming plots. WATCH THE GAMES. Jason may miss a few throws, but you'll see far more missed blocks and dropped passes in critical situations. It's not like people are making these things up. You can try to downplay our problems with the OL and WRs in this thread all you want but you're probably right with all of us "excuse makers" asking to draft an OL and hoping our WR's step up.

It's "excuses" when we are talking about Jason Campbell.

If you want to talk about Cutler, then bad D can be used as an excuse, if you want to talk about Roethlisberger, then OL is a valid excuse because they still won the Superbowl, but you can't consider their #1 D as a factor in that, eventhough D is considered a factor for Cutler. If you're talking about Thigpen, then W-L record doesn't matter, but not so much when you talk about JC.

So basically, if you're talking about a QB other than JC, to some that QB is better, and TD's will likely be the sole justification, with a bunch of "excuses" to follow when you point out the flaws in that QB. However, those "excuses" are only valid with every other QB NOT named Jason Campbell. Welcome to the patient and rational Redskins fanbase.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I may have thrown a few to dudes in there.....im a little worked up what can I say.

Anyway. Like I have said we'll see. You have no CLUE whether he has hit his peak yet. He could light it up this year....you never know.

Wasted another year? By giving the guy his last shot? He did sign a 5 year contract.....he hasnt played badly enough to not be able to play it out... DUDE :silly:

You are right, I have no clue if he's hit his peak yet. To be honest, I don't think he has and I don't think he will for another 2-3 years.

I'm just saying that there are better options out there and we should explore them all. Why settle for something less? So, what would warrant an extension for him from this year?

DUDE!

[PROSCOUT]

I've been a HUGE supporter of Campbell since he became our starter and still do support him as our starter 100%. I do think he has made improvements every week after week, and the last game against SF, even though it didn't mean much he was the only one who really showed a lot of heart. That being said, if our O-Line protects a little better for him this year and he still can't get it done, I do believe it may be time for a change.

Right on Bro. And I've been a HUGE supporter of Patrick Ramsey, Heath Shuler, and Michael Westbrook since they became starters and still support them as starters. I just wish the coaching staff could realize that production isn't everything.

[elkabong82]

The sooner JC fails, the sooner Colt Brennan starts.......just saying.

The sooner Collins starts. Brennan has yet to beat TC out for that QB2 spot. But hey, a solid preseason performance against 3rd stringers and practice squad guys, combined with success in a weak college conference which led to not getting drafted until the 6th round, is plenty to merit starting asap, right?

You just proved St is my boy correct with this post.

[ST is my boy]

You are right, I have no clue if he's hit his peak yet. To be honest, I don't think he has and I don't think he will for another 2-3 years.

I'm just saying that there are better options out there and we should explore them all. Why settle for something less? So, what would warrant an extension for him from this year?

DUDE!

Nothing has warranted him an extension. I honestly think the redskins made the best move they have made in years by not extending yet.

I also think they made a good move in sticking with him.....make him prove that contract.

[Omega4ce]

I agree with most of what you posted.....I do. But THIS part I totally disagree with. Maybe not you specifically....but there is NO QUESTION tons of people on this site salivating at the thought of JC failing.

Sorry, but even as a Cutler supporter i have to disagree. It's OK to argue and discuss about the point if we should upgrade the position or not but its not OK to hope that our starting QB will fail, because neither the team nor we as fans would benefit from that.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Nothing has warranted him an extension. I honestly think the redskins made the best move they have made in years by not extending yet.

I also think they made a good move in sticking with him.....make him prove that contract.

What I'm asking though is what will warrant him an extension?

If we go 10-6 and make the playoffs with mediocre play from him and a strong running game, do we give him an extension? What would he have to achieve to get one next year and show he belongs?

[elkabong82]

Why would Pioli not want Cassel? He was available, and bred by Pioli. They have a familiarity.

Most new coaches/GM's can bring in the players they want, just not ours.

Why would he want Cassell if Thigpen is as good as you are claiming?

Was the new coach of the Colts allowed to bring in his own QB? How about the Packers head coach? Most new coaches/GMs are inheriting teams that need to be rebuilt. Case in point, KC.

[terpskins10]

I'm just saying that there are better options out there and we should explore them all.

Are there, though?

Colt Brennan, Todd Collins? Please. Colt might be something long-term, but he's undeniably very raw and Campbell has the experience edge going for him. Collins is a nice bandaid, but I have a hard time believing our team would be THAT much better with him back there, in a system he's unfamiliar with.

Jay Cutler? I'd rather not give up two first round picks for even a very good QB, since we will make the rest of our team worse in the process. We'd be back to square one if we got Cutler but failed to make the rest of the team any better. Plus I just think Cutler is a little overrated.

I really don't think our options get much better than Campbell for this upcoming season. He's in a contract year and we don't have any more investment in him if he fails, and a ton to gain if he succeeds.

[KokoMike]

I don't want to lump all the Hawaii fans together, but most of them are non-Redskins fans that joined this forum April 2008. They ARE salivating at JC failing because they are not fans of this team and want to see their guy play in the NFL.

Since you claim to know what you are talking about, why don't you go ahead and list the "non-Redskin fans that joined this forum April 2008".

We'll be the judge of your ethics, or lack thereof.

[bubba9497]

JC is NOT a leader. His quotes say it all. He's tentative, uses passive voice. I want my leader to be confident and assertive and active. JC is none of those things.


No offense, but no matter what Jason said, it will be twisted to suit the predetermined opinion of him.

If he said we'll win 12 game next season then it would be "he's too confident and assertive", "I want my leader to be humble"


no one here knows him, nor can anyone tell anything about him from quotes in the paper

[elkabong82]

What I'm asking though is what will warrant him an extension?

If we go 10-6 and make the playoffs with mediocre play from him and a strong running game, do we give him an extension? What would he have to achieve to get one next year and show he belongs?

I said this in another thread, but I think we need to see something like:

65%+ completions, 3500+ yds, 20+ TDs, 15 or less INTs, and a passer rating of 90+.

[ST is my boy]

What I'm asking though is what will warrant him an extension?

If we go 10-6 and make the playoffs with mediocre play from him and a strong running game, do we give him an extension? What would he have to achieve to get one next year and show he belongs?

Hmm thats a good question......I dont know. To be honest I just kinda hope he doesnt have a year like last year. Then its going to be difficult....it might be best for the organization if he either straight lights it up.....or straight stinks it up.

[PROSCOUT]

I want to stay in my apartment for a lifetime, but if I don't pay the rent they won't let me.

Jason. Here is a clue. PAY YOUR RENT. Throw more than 13 touchdown passes in 16 games. You are averaging .8 TD passes per game and that don't cut it pal.

POINT EIGHT touchdown passes per game. COME FRICKIN ON. Get real.

[IrepDC]

When our team played well Portis and the OL gets all the credit. When our team played bad Jason gets all the blame. Makes no sense to me.

[Omega4ce]

I said this in another thread, but I think we need to see something like:

65%+ completions, 3500+ yds, 20+ INTs, 15 or less INTs, and a passer rating of 90+.

You should edit this quickly or simply say you want Campbell to throw 35 INT's :D

[terpskins10]

Since you claim to know what you are talking about, why don't you go ahead and list the "non-Redskin fans that joined this forum April 2008".

We'll be the judge of your ethics, or lack thereof.

I'd prefer my own character not to be attacked on an internet forum, thank you very much. I'll judge my own ethics, and I think I'm a better judge of them than you would be.

And a lot of these fans have disappeared, but the fact is is that there were a lot of them. Did I say you were one? No. I said most. Not all.

[mnb123]

Why would he want Cassell if Thigpen is as good as you are claiming?

Was the new coach of the Colts allowed to bring in his own QB? How about the Packers head coach? Most new coaches/GMs are inheriting teams that need to be rebuilt. Case in point, KC.

Why did Josh McDaniels want Cassel when they have a pro-bowl QB in cutler?

Everyone in N.E. has a crush on Cassel. They know that he fits in their system, and they feel a loyalty to him since they bred him.

[elkabong82]

You should edit this quickly or simply say you want Campbell to throw 35 INT's :D

Thanks, lol, that could have been bad. :D

[brlawson]

You should edit this quickly or simply say you want Campbell to throw 35 INT's :D
Hilarious

[ST is my boy]

And a lot of these fans have disappeared, but the fact is is that there were a lot of them. Did I say you were one? No. I said most. Not all.

Agreed. Just because the haters are not in this thread currently, doesnt mean they wont be back after JC throws his first pick.

And it will be the type with

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[ntotoro]

When our team played well Portis and the OL gets all the credit. When our team played bad Jason gets all the blame. Makes no sense to me.

What are you talking about? When the season wore on, everything from the playcalling to the line got blamed and it seemed Campbell was untouchable. Even when we started 6-2, Portis still got the great amount of credit and was in conversations for MVP. A few voices sprang up that we were winning despite Campbell, but that was it. Once the Cutler rumors started, the voices got louder and there happened to be a few more. It wasn't as if there was suddenly this great wave of "gee, maybe there are better options at QB for this team."

[elkabong82]

Why did Josh McDaniels want Cassel when they have a pro-bowl QB in cutler?

Everyone in N.E. has a crush on Cassel. They know that he fits in their system, and they feel a loyalty to him since they bred him.

That's nothing more than a rumor, completely unsubstantiated. What is McDaniels saying right now? "Cutler is OUR QB."

[brlawson]

Why did Josh McDaniels want Cassel when they have a pro-bowl QB in cutler?

Everyone in N.E. has a crush on Cassel. They know that he fits in their system, and they feel a loyalty to him since they bred him.


Yeah, can't wait for him to flop in KC with just Bowe. Gonzo still wants a trade even with Cassell, so obviouisly he doesn't think they are playoff calibur with him

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Are there, though?

Colt Brennan, Todd Collins? Please. Colt might be something long-term, but he's undeniably very raw and Campbell has the experience edge going for him. Collins is a nice bandaid, but I have a hard time believing our team would be THAT much better with him back there, in a system he's unfamiliar with.

Jay Cutler? I'd rather not give up two first round picks for even a very good QB, since we will make the rest of our team worse in the process. We'd be back to square one if we got Cutler but failed to make the rest of the team any better. Plus I just think Cutler is a little overrated.

I really don't think our options get much better than Campbell for this upcoming season. He's in a contract year and we don't have any more investment in him if he fails, and a ton to gain if he succeeds.

Cutler would be a vast improvement. We need to let the QB job be an open competition this offseason. Colt could very well take it and run with it, we'll never know otherwise. Hell, Jeff Garcia or Leftwich would be an upgrade right now.

There are other options and I'm just saying that we can't settle for mediocre.


I said this in another thread, but I think we need to see something like:

65%+ completions, 3500+ yds, 20+ INTs, 15 or less INTs, and a passer rating of 90+.

That sounds about right. In doing that, he needs to establish himself as a weapon, something other teams should have to worry about. Right now he's not....


Hmm thats a good question......I dont know. To be honest I just kinda hope he doesnt have a year like last year. Then its going to be difficult....it might be best for the organization if he either straight lights it up.....or straight stinks it up.

I think elkabong is close on it. If he does have a year like last year then we are screwed with him.

[IrepDC]

I said this in another thread, but I think we need to see something like:

65%+ completions, 3500+ yds, 20+ TDs, 15 or less INTs, and a passer rating of 90+.
Those are reasonable expectations I'm with it

[mnb123]

That's nothing more than a rumor, completely unsubstantiated. What is McDaniels saying right now? "Cutler is OUR QB."

Are you kidding me? So you are saying that Mcdaniels never wanted Cassel? Your refuting fact now?

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

When our team played well Portis and the OL gets all the credit. When our team played bad Jason gets all the blame. Makes no sense to me.

Our offense had a few strong games. Other than those they were awful.

Even if you take out the first 8 games, with our great running game and solid OL we had 20.6 ppg. That's on Jason IMO.

[elkabong82]

What are you talking about? When the season wore on, everything from the playcalling to the line got blamed and it seemed Campbell was untouchable. Even when we started 6-2, Portis still got the great amount of credit and was in conversations for MVP. A few voices sprang up that we were winning despite Campbell, but that was it. Once the Cutler rumors started, the voices got louder and there happened to be a few more. It wasn't as if there was suddenly this great wave of "gee, maybe there are better options at QB for this team."

So people have not been saying that 6-2 was because of Portis, and then ignoring that the run game declined at 2-6 as well? He made a valid point about the double standard some are using.

[terpskins10]

Cutler would be a vast improvement. We need to let the QB job be an open competition this offseason. Colt could very well take it and run with it, we'll never know otherwise. Hell, Jeff Garcia or Leftwich would be an upgrade right now.

There are other options and I'm just saying that we can't settle for mediocre.


I definitely won't deny Cutler is an upgrade. He's obviously the better player at this point.

But, in the grand scheme of things, taking the entire team into account, I'm not sure it makes our team THAT much better. We've been talking about wanting to built through the draft for quite some time. With no first round pick in the next two years (and no second or fourth this year), that pretty much goes down the crapper.

I'd much rather spend one first next year on a QB, if necessary, than two on Cutler this year.

[elkabong82]

Are you kidding me? So you are saying that Mcdaniels never wanted Cassel? Your refuting fact now?

It was all rumors. You got a link to an article that says it was fact McDaniels wanted Cassel? Cuz otherwise I'm refuting a rumor, while you are trying to pass it off as fact. Cutler being traded was reportedly brought up by another team, and Cutler got ticked because his name got brought up. I didn't see where the Broncos were reported to have entertained the notion, and they certainly didn't act on it.

[SolidSnake84]

Campbell knows that once he leaves Washington, he's done. Nobody wants him as a starter. The only team i heard of that was even thinking of him as a BACKUP, was the Browns..Mark my words. This is Campbell's last year here. He just isn't a starting QB.

[terpskins10]

Agreed. Just because the haters are not in this thread currently, doesnt mean they wont be back after JC throws his first pick.

And it will be the type with

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lol, Now that I bothered to look, there are new members, joining April 27th, called "Brennan Hawaii Fan" and "Warrior Fan" and "Warrior Nation", among many other Hawaiian-named members.

I'm just saying.

[IrepDC]

What are you talking about? When the season wore on, everything from the playcalling to the line got blamed and it seemed Campbell was untouchable. Even when we started 6-2, Portis still got the great amount of credit and was in conversations for MVP. A few voices sprang up that we were winning despite Campbell, but that was it. Once the Cutler rumors started, the voices got louder and there happened to be a few more. It wasn't as if there was suddenly this great wave of "gee, maybe there are better options at QB for this team."

Read through this thread or any thread on Campbell. The first half of the season Portis gets credit. The second half Jason gets blamed. That's what I'm talking about.

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

Tyler only played in 14 games yet still threw 5 more TD's then Jason.
True, he did. But A + B ≠ C in some cases. Even though the Chiefs don't have the best group of WRs they have better redzone threats in their WRs with both Dwayne Bowe, Mark Bradley and Devard Darling being over 6' tall. Add in Gonzo at 6' 5" and you've got a plethora of redzone targets to take advantage of. How many legitimate redzone threats did we have last year? 1, Cooley and he only had 1 thrown to him from Randle El.

Conversely, Thigpen threw 6 TD passes to Bowe, 9 to Gonzo, 2 to Bradley, that right there just about covers it. Also factor in how often the Chiefs were probably playing for garbage time points. I did some research, and the majority of Thigpen's TDs came when his team was down by more than 14 points, on average. So there's another variable to consider.

I'm not saying that Jason is 100% better than Thigpen, but aside from the TD totals (and as I just said the majority came when his team was down by more than 2 tds), JC had better numbers, especially in the W/L column.

[elkabong82]

Campbell knows that once he leaves Washington, he's done. Nobody wants him as a starter. The only team i heard of that was even thinking of him as a BACKUP, was the Browns..Mark my words. This is Campbell's last year here. He just isn't a starting QB.

Well it's hard to argue against all that evidence, lol. Since you seem to know the future so well, who will win the Superbowl this season?

[ntotoro]

So people have not been saying that 6-2 was because of Portis, and then ignoring that the run game declined at 2-6 as well? He made a valid point about the double standard some are using.

On the surface level, that makes it look like Portis was solely responsible for 6-2 and even the mighty Jason Campbell couldn't at least get one more win from either 49ers or the all-conquering Bengals.

I won't say that, though.

[IrepDC]

Campbell knows that once he leaves Washington, he's done. Nobody wants him as a starter. The only team i heard of that was even thinking of him as a BACKUP, was the Browns..Mark my words. This is Campbell's last year here. He just isn't a starting QB.

Just curious as to why you're so sure of this

[elkabong82]

On the surface level, that makes it look like Portis was solely responsible for 6-2 and even the mighty Jason Campbell couldn't at least get one more win from either 49ers or the all-conquering Bengals.

I won't say that, though.

Because it's not true.

The Bengals game Cooley fumbled in the opponents territory, the Bengals scored off it. The D allowed an 80 yd sreen to Benson, and Sellers fumbled the ball on the goalline (blown call by the refs) and CP's performance was not good. But to some, if you actually consider JC's teammates had an effect on his performance, it's an "excuse." Why? Because some are obsessed with the QB position and act as if a team's success is solely dependant on them. They say this with guys like Manning and Brady in mind, rareities. However, they don't mind using similar "excuses" when justifying why other QBs are better than JC.

In the last game, against the 49ers, JC was the only one giving his all on offense. Everyone else just crapped out on him. He put the game on his shoulders, and got us a go ahead TD late by rushing the ball in himself. Then our D allows a long drive by the 49ers, and they get a FG at the end to win. How is that on JC? That wasn't the only game where our D gave up long drives late. The D was good, but the #4 ranking, based on yards, is deceiving, IMO.

[brlawson]

Well it's hard to argue against all that evidence, lol. Since you seem to know the future so well, who will win the Superbowl this season?


REDSKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (With Brennan)

[ST is my boy]

On the surface level, that makes it look like Portis was solely responsible for 6-2 and even the mighty Jason Campbell couldn't at least get one more win from either 49ers or the all-conquering Bengals.

I won't say that, though.

I dont think anyone is saying he is "mighty". But hes not that bad either. Right now hes just in the middle. He has the final year in his contract to put up or shutup.

[ST is my boy]

Because it's not true.

The Bengals game Cooley fumbled in the opponents territory, the Bengals scored off it. The D allowed an 80 yd sreen to Benson, and Sellers fumbled the ball on the goalline (blown call by the refs) and CP's performance was not good. But to some, if you actually consider JC's teammates had an effect on his performance, it's an "excuse." Why? Because some are obsessed with the QB position and act as if a team's success is solely dependant on them. They say this with guys like Manning and Brady in mind, rareities. However, they don't mind using similar "excuses" when justifying why other QBs are better than JC.

In the last game, against the 49ers, JC was the only one giving his all on offense. Everyone else just crapped out on him. He put the game on his shoulders, and got us a go ahead TD late by rushing the ball in himself. Then our D allows a long drive by the 49ers, and they get a FG at the end to win. How is that on JC? That wasn't the only game where our D gave up long drives late. The D was good, but the #4 ranking, based on yards, is deceiving, IMO.

True on all points Elka. But it really doesnt matter what we say.....its just never going to change anyones mind. Lets just hope Jason can make it an easy decision to resign after the 09' season.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I definitely won't deny Cutler is an upgrade. He's obviously the better player at this point.

But, in the grand scheme of things, taking the entire team into account, I'm not sure it makes our team THAT much better. We've been talking about wanting to built through the draft for quite some time. With no first round pick in the next two years (and no second or fourth this year), that pretty much goes down the crapper.

I'd much rather spend one first next year on a QB, if necessary, than two on Cutler this year.

The reason why I feel the way I do about JC is I see a window opening for our team.

Are we perfect at every position? Hell no. Do we have a strong core and a championship-caliber defense? Absolutely.

Changes need to be made on the offensive side of the ball. Our running game is fine. Our passing game needs help. That window is only going to be open for a few years most likely. I don't want another year wasted.....

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

Because it's not true.

The Bengals game Cooley fumbled in the opponents territory, the Bengals scored off it. The D allowed an 80 yd sreen to Benson, and Sellers fumbled the ball on the goalline (blown call by the refs) and CP's performance was not good. But to some, if you actually consider JC's teammates had an effect on his performance, it's an "excuse." Why? Because some are obsessed with the QB position and act as if a team's success is solely dependant on them. They say this with guys like Manning and Brady in mind, rareities. However, they don't mind using similar "excuses" when justifying why other QBs are better than JC.

In the last game, against the 49ers, JC was the only one giving his all on offense. Everyone else just crapped out on him. He put the game on his shoulders, and got us a go ahead TD late by rushing the ball in himself. Then our D allows a long drive by the 49ers, and they get a FG at the end to win. How is that on JC? That wasn't the only game where our D gave up long drives late. The D was good, but the #4 ranking, based on yards, is deceiving, IMO.
It was JC's fault because he didn't demand to be put in at DB and get a game clinching INT against San Fran.

[brlawson]

It was all rumors. You got a link to an article that says it was fact McDaniels wanted Cassel? Cuz otherwise I'm refuting a rumor, while you are trying to pass it off as fact. Cutler being traded was reportedly brought up by another team, and Cutler got ticked because his name got brought up. I didn't see where the Broncos were reported to have entertained the notion, and they certainly didn't act on it.

Plenty of documentation that McDaniels wanted him. One article here:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-1765/Chiefs-benefit-from-Cutler-Broncos-rift.html

Don't be a douche and try to say that because McDaniels didn't write it down in a diary or ask for the player on national TV that it wasn't him pushing for Cassel. Cutler was a Pro Bowl QB, so why would the Bronco's think they'd be better off with some dude who came from nowhere rather than a Pro Bowl calibur QB they have a vested interest in.

[elkabong82]

I dont think anyone is saying he is "mighty". But hes not that bad either. Right now hes just in the middle. He has the final year in his contract to put up or shutup.

Exactly. It's something we all agree on. The detractors keep chirping they want him gone now, but realistically there isn't a solid, viable alternative. It amazes me those same people have the gall to criticize Snyder for a lack of patience when they are wanting us to basically throw a 6th round pick to the wolves. Oh, he has "personality" so that means he'll succeed. :doh:

Meanwhile, in reality, this is JC's last year on his contract, so he either fails and is gone, or succeeds and we have a franchise QB. I don't really see how the continued crying over this subject is going to change any of that, or really accomplish anything.

[ST is my boy]

The reason why I feel the way I do about JC is I see a window opening for our team.

Are we perfect at every position? Hell no. Do we have a strong core and a championship-caliber defense? Absolutely.

Changes need to be made on the offensive side of the ball. Our running game is fine. Our passing game needs help. That window is only going to be open for a few years most likely. I don't want another year wasted.....

We root for the Washington Redskins. Wasted? You do know Snyder is going to reload year after year dont you?

Is it going to work? Probably not.....but its not like we are going to be rebuilding or anything like that. This team just doesnt do it.

[terpskins10]

Plenty of documentation that McDaniels wanted him. One article here:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-1765/Chiefs-benefit-from-Cutler-Broncos-rift.html

Don't be a douche and try to say that because McDaniels didn't write it down in a diary or ask for the player on national TV that it wasn't him pushing for Cassel. Cutler was a Pro Bowl QB, so why would the Bronco's think they'd be better off with some dude who came from nowhere rather than a Pro Bowl calibur QB they have a vested interest in.

To be far, Cassel was much more efficient than Cutler was and knows the system already, which gives McDaniels the coaching advantage.

If I'm a new coach, I want to do everything in my power to give myself an edge. Not having to deal with a learning curve at QB is a big edge.

[mnb123]

but aside from the TD totals (and as I just said the majority came when his team was down by more than 2 tds),


That is a load of purely unsubstantiated, made up crap.

He only threw 1 TD in the 4th quarter when down by more than a TD, and he threw one in the 3rd before he was pulled against the bills when getting blown out.

Look at his scoring summaries. Other than those two, all of his other 2nd half TD's came while the game was still within 1 drive.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

We root for the Washington Redskins. Wasted? You do know Snyder is going to reload year after year dont you?

Is it going to work? Probably not.....but its not like we are going to be rebuilding or anything like that. This team just doesnt do it.

Regardless what Snyder plugs in, we have a good window opening. We have a solid core group of younger players and I think the QBs play is what will hold this team back from contending. I hope I can eat those words come January/February though :D

[brlawson]

To be far, Cassel was much more efficient than Cutler was and knows the system already, which gives McDaniels the coaching advantage.

If I'm a new coach, I want to do everything in my power to give myself an edge. Not having to deal with a learning curve at QB is a big edge.


I agree completely, however dude was saying that McDaniels didn't want Cassel that Bronco's FO did

[elkabong82]

Plenty of documentation that McDaniels wanted him. One article here:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-1765/Chiefs-benefit-from-Cutler-Broncos-rift.html

Don't be a douche and try to say that because McDaniels didn't write it down in a diary or ask for the player on national TV that it wasn't him pushing for Cassel. Cutler was a Pro Bowl QB, so why would the Bronco's think they'd be better off with some dude who came from nowhere rather than a Pro Bowl calibur QB they have a vested interest in.

Except that is from a blog, with no actual quotes from McDaniels or anyone from the Broncos org. The comments on the blog below it even berate the writer for such, and those people tend to regard the writer how most regard JLC here.

And spare me the "douche" comment. That stuff doesn't fly around here. I never used any personal attacks, so grow up.

[DieHardSkins88]

Possible. Everyone certainly is entitled to an opinion.

I would disagree on a few of those for sure. Browns and Jags to start.

Browns already have 2 qbs. Doubt they would even give up a 5th rounder for another.

Bucs? 2nd string there. Unlikely they would even let him compete.

Detroit is the one team I could see starting him.

And Minny they would let him compete.


You kidding me with this garbage? Luke McCown and some 2nd year 5th rounder would not allow cambell to even compete? That is Obsurd. What i was saying with the browns is that you put cambell in with those 2 qbs and i bet he beats them out. Same with david garrard, and all of minnesotas qbs. Jets, no question he would start, same with bucs.

Oh, and to answer Wvt's question yea i do have a phone number. 1-800- kiss my ass

[brlawson]

Except that is from a blog, with no actual quotes from McDaniels or anyone from the Broncos org. The comments on the blog below it even berate the writer for such, and those people tend to regard the writer how most regard JLC here.

And spare me the "douche" comment. That stuff doesn't fly around here. I never used any personal attacks, so grow up.

Sorry, bong.

[terpskins10]

I agree completely, however dude was saying that McDaniels didn't want Cassel that Bronco's FO did

Well, I was just answering your question as to why the Broncos would want to have Cassel over Cutler. But I haven't been following your argument, so carry on.

[benchjcstartcolt]

He's under tons of pressure now. The skins should have a top notch defense. If he doesn't cut it, we can just turn to Colt!

[elkabong82]

Sorry, bong.

**edit** received PM, apology accepted. Very cool of you to do so, I know others on here who wouldn't have.

[brlawson]

He's under tons of pressure now. The skins should have a top notch defense. If he doesn't cut it, we can just turn to Colt!

Thanks, your name says it all.

[TK]

Don't be a douche
Hi there. :)

[elkabong82]

I agree completely, however dude was saying that McDaniels didn't want Cassel that Bronco's FO did

I never said that either, lol. I said that from initial reports, Cutler's name was brought up in a trade inquiry, and that the Broncos didn't shoot it down immediately, and Cutler got pissed off as a result. I have yet to see an actual quote from anyone in the Bronco's org that said they were considering trading Cutler and getting Cassel. All I've seen is rumors.

[terpskins10]

Hi there. :)

So, when you say that, does that mean the person is banned instantly or is it like a warning? lol jw

[ST is my boy]

He's under tons of pressure now. The skins should have a top notch defense. If he doesn't cut it, we can just turn to Colt!

Thanks for your insight buddy.

[elkabong82]

So, when you say that, does that mean the person is banned instantly or is it like a warning? lol jw

he apologized right away, and his green light is still on, so I think he's fine. The board can get to you sometimes, I know this well, lol. But I've always been under the impression if you do use an insult, as long as it wasn't really, really bad, and you apologize for it, then you are ok.

[jnhay]

Of course he wants to stay here. Where else is he going to be the unconditional starter?
You know that's probably not his thought process.

[ST is my boy]

So since stats were thrown out there earlier.....just to get some discussion going....what if JC were to throw...

3,300 yards
18 TD's
12 INT's

And the skins go 9-7 goto the playoffs and win one game..........do the skins extend JC?

[IrepDC]

Because it's not true.

The Bengals game Cooley fumbled in the opponents territory, the Bengals scored off it. The D allowed an 80 yd sreen to Benson, and Sellers fumbled the ball on the goalline (blown call by the refs) and CP's performance was not good. But to some, if you actually consider JC's teammates had an effect on his performance, it's an "excuse." Why? Because some are obsessed with the QB position and act as if a team's success is solely dependant on them. They say this with guys like Manning and Brady in mind, rareities. However, they don't mind using similar "excuses" when justifying why other QBs are better than JC.

In the last game, against the 49ers, JC was the only one giving his all on offense. Everyone else just crapped out on him. He put the game on his shoulders, and got us a go ahead TD late by rushing the ball in himself. Then our D allows a long drive by the 49ers, and they get a FG at the end to win. How is that on JC? That wasn't the only game where our D gave up long drives late. The D was good, but the #4 ranking, based on yards, is deceiving, IMO.

There's no point in analyzing what actually happened on the field. Some people just have their minds made up on Jason. I just wonder, why?

[ExoDus84]

I would love to keep JC...he's a franchise backup. In fact, he'd be GREAT depth at backup QB. I dont feel he can be a truly successful QB at this level. Dont get me wrong, I really, really hope that JC proves me wrong. I hope he makes me eat more crow than I can imagine. Nothing would make me happier, in fact.

I just dont see him going very far in this type of offense. I dont see him being a manning/brady/palmer/rivers, etc. He'll be a second tier, journeyman starter, in my opinion. Whether I'm right or not will be proved on the field. This is his make or break year. If he breaks through, he's our guy. If he has another average, mediocre season, he'll be playing somewhere else, or will be backing up the new starter in DC.

[brlawson]

So since stats were thrown out there earlier.....just to get some discussion going....what if JC were to throw...

3,300 yards
18 TD's
12 INT's

And the skins go 9-7 goto the playoffs and win one game..........do the skins extend JC?

I say no. Collins could do the same for much less money.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

So since stats were thrown out there earlier.....just to get some discussion going....what if JC were to throw...

3,300 yards
18 TD's
12 INT's

And the skins go 9-7 goto the playoffs and win one game..........do the skins extend JC?

Depend's if your happy to just "settle", or if you expect more from a 1st round, 5 year veteran QB.

Hail.

[ST is my boy]

I say no. Collins could do the same for much less money.

Hahaha. So you wouldnt be factoring in the fact that Collins will probably retire next year or the year after.

What a joke.

[ST is my boy]

Depend's if your happy to just "settle", or if you expect more from a 1st round, 5 year veteran QB.

Hail.

Those stats are really that bad huh? You would be confident in someone who we have no clue about coming out of the draft to be better than that?

Seems as if he doesnt throw 20 touchdowns exactly or more hes going to be crucified on this board. No matter how many games we win.

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

I was just reading this. I'm just hoping that it doesn't affect his play in a negative way.

You mean he could play worse?:D

[brlawson]

Hahaha. So you wouldnt be factoring in the fact that Collins will probably retire next year or the year after.

What a joke.

Well, I truly believe that if JC does what you say, average play, then we hang our hat on Brennan. Like I said, play TC until they feel Brennan is ready to step up, then let him roll.

[IrepDC]

Wayyyyy deep down in their hearts I think many of the Campbell haters think that he WILL continue to improve, and he WILL get a contract extension, and he WILL become the face of this franchise... and it's eating them up inside lol

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

Of course he wants to stay here. Where else is he going to be the unconditional starter?

Bingo!

[mnb123]

4038 YDS, 63.6%, 7.5YD AVG, 28TD, 13INT.

Those are Aaron Rodgers numbers, who was drafted the pick before Campbell.

Does anyone think JC can ever match those numbers?

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

4038 YDS, 63.6%, 7.5YD AVG, 28TD, 13INT.

Those are Aaron Rodgers numbers, who was drafted the pick before Campbell.

Does anyone think JC can ever match those numbers?

Maybe if he was playing Madden?

[mbws]

Not all the games lost were JC's fault. I was at the Ravens game, where they lost by 14. On one play JC's arm was hit just as he threw, and the ball floated Billy Kilmer style for an INT by Ed Reed. The Ravens scored 7 on that drive.

In another series Portis fumbles straight into Reed's hands for a direct score.
14-0;
This all happened in the first quarter.

In the Browns game, same thing Cooley fumbles on the opening drive, and Sellers fumbles going into the endzone.

Not Saying Campbell is Joe Montana or even Phill Simms, and every QB makes a bad throw here or there, but I've seen Jason make spectacular throws too.

Bash him all you want, but I'm not convinced.

[DieHardSkins88]

I say no. Collins could do the same for much less money.

I don't understand the lovefest for Collins. He looked AWFUL in preseason. He was simply a product of the system, the system that he was backing up for over 7 years!!! You put him in the starting lineup, and i bet he does way worse than JC did. Especially when you factor in that Jason Cambell was sacked 38 times!

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Those stats are really that bad huh? You would be confident in someone who we have no clue about coming out of the draft to be better than that?

Never said they were terrible stats.

Just saying it's all relative to a first round pick in his 5th year.

And let's not get silly now by putting a rookie up against those stats. If we were to start over, draft up, and take one of next years class, only a fool would expect them to come in and perform at the pro level off the bat.

Hail.

[ST is my boy]

4038 YDS, 63.6%, 7.5YD AVG, 28TD, 13INT.

Those are Aaron Rodgers numbers, who was drafted the pick before Campbell.

Does anyone think JC can ever match those numbers?

That is in a PASS HAPPY offense buddy. JC has to be put in a position to put up those numbers for it to be possible. Come on now.

[brlawson]

I don't understand the lovefest for Collins. He looked AWFUL in preseason. He was simply a product of the system, the system that he was backing up for over 7 years!!! You put him in the starting lineup, and i bet he does way worse than JC did. Especially when you factor in that Jason Cambell was sacked 38 times!

Okay, lets make this more clear. I have little love for the guy. He did seem like he coould move the ball when JC went down and TC led us to the playoffs. I think that CB is the future of our franchise if JC does not preform well this year. And by well that is 20+ TD's and under 15 INTs and a playoff bearth.

[Passizle]

I agree completely. I've told several members that I don't have a problem whatsoever if someone is critical of his play. He hasn't consistently played where he should.

But the attacks on his character are baseless and foolish. Aside from maybe the need to be more emotional (that being said, we don't know how he is in the huddle), he's exactly what you would look for, character-wise, in an NFL player.

It's just silly. He's going to be the starter until Zorn says he isn't. It's best for the team if he plays well. He's easy to root for. Why not root for him to do well?
I know right? Its crazy. I mean what do these same people think of Monk? I love the guy, but he was as bland as they come.

[mnb123]

That is in a PASS HAPPY offense buddy. JC has to be put in a position to put up those numbers for it to be possible. Come on now.

Aaron had less than 2 more pass attempts a game.....

30 more total.

[MartinC]

So since stats were thrown out there earlier.....just to get some discussion going....what if JC were to throw...

3,300 yards
18 TD's
12 INT's

And the skins go 9-7 goto the playoffs and win one game..........do the skins extend JC?

Yes I would is the short answer.

You would love for him to throw for 3,800, have 25 TDs and 10 INTS and us win say 11 games and win at least one playoff game. Then it would be a no brainer - well to most people, there are some who would still want him out after a Super Bowl win.

Worst case would be he bombs but at least we know we need to move on and its agin a bit of a no brainer.

The more likely scenario is the one you paint of qualified success and then we have a tough decision to make.

I think he and Zorns futures with the Redskins are tied together. If we do well enough for Zorn to stay in the job that probably means JAson has done well enough to get the extension. If Zorn gets fired a new coach would probably want to bring in his own guy or go the high draft pick route again.

[ST is my boy]

Never said they were terrible stats.

Just saying it's all relative to a first round pick in his 5th year.

And let's not get silly now by putting a rookie up against those stats. If we were to start over, draft up, and take one of next years class, only a fool would expect them to come in and perform at the pro level off the bat.

Hail.

I wasnt really trying to say the rookie would put those numbers up instantly.....sorry.

More so trying to state if JC were to put those numbers up, win a playoff game....we would just let him go? No extension? Time to start over?

[gortiz]

I'm wishing the best for JC. I'm hoping he can get it done.

What is truly sad and dispicalbe is people FLAT OUT DON'T WANT HIM TO DO WELL.

JC is a lot of things good and bad, but in the end, he's a gamer, he has talent to work off of, he's a worker, he wants to be here and yes, belive it or not, he is a REDSKIN.

I think this is his last year to do something. It is truly put up or shut up time, its time to win 10 games, its time to toss 20+ TD's its time to maybe grab a WR's facemask to get his attention, its time to get into a sideline argument ... i get it. ITS TIME.


WHAT I DON'T GET ... AND NEVER WILL, ARE THOSE THAT WANT HIM TO FAIL SO THEY CAN SAY THAT THEY WERE RIGHT and thus cut off their own nose to spite their face

[brlawson]

What is truly sad and dispicalbe is people FLAT OUT DON'T WANT HIM TO DO WELL.

WHAT I DON'T GET ... AND NEVER WILL, ARE THOSE THAT WANT HIM TO FAIL SO THEY CAN SAY THAT THEY WERE RIGHT and thus cut off their own nose to spite their face

Let's start a thread about people who don't want him to do well, and we may get a few responses, yes. But those people are obviously not Redskin fans. We may plead for another player, but that is only because we want what we think is best for our team. I LOVE THE SKINS. If Campbell gets it done this year, we are 12-4 and lose in the NFC East title game, I will be a fan of his. I just don't think he has what it takes to make OUR team the best it can be.

[DieHardSkins88]

Okay, lets make this more clear. I have little love for the guy. He did seem like he coould move the ball when JC went down and TC led us to the playoffs. I think that CB is the future of our franchise if JC does not preform well this year. And by well that is 20+ TD's and under 15 INTs and a playoff bearth.

He could move the ball when JC went down because that was in Saunders offense that he had been studying on the bench for over 7 years. So yea he definately should have been able to, or else he wouldn't be in the nfl anymore if you ask me. Also, i agree; he will need to throw for 20+ touchdowns and less than 15 ints. However, what if he throws for say 15-18 tds, and 7-8 ints while leading us to the championship game. Would that warrant an extension? Because i think it would

[ST is my boy]

Let's start a thread about people who don't want him to do well, and we may get a few responses, yes. But those people are obviously not Redskin fans. We may plead for another player, but that is only because we want what we think is best for our team. I LOVE THE SKINS. If Campbell gets it done this year, we are 12-4 and lose in the NFC East title game, I will be a fan of his. I just don't think he has what it takes to make OUR team the best it can be.

12-4 will be a TALL order in this division with this group of players. Just my opinion.

[gortiz]

Hi there. :)


So, when you say that, does that mean the person is banned instantly or is it like a warning? lol jw

think:

The Terminator
Leonard Smalls (The Lone Biker of the Apocalypse)
Anton Chigurh

[BillyKilmer]

Of course he wants to stay here. Where else is he going to be the unconditional starter?

no one can accuse you of being wishy washy

[wvtbred]

I know right? Its crazy. I mean what do these same people think of Monk? I love the guy, but he was as bland as they come.

I don't think his character is what most of us have a problem with. Would I like him to be a little like Joey T (rah rah) well yes but I could care less about that if he could get it done on the field. He hasn't shown that yet and he has had a long time to do so.

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

That is a load of purely unsubstantiated, made up crap.

He only threw 1 TD in the 4th quarter when down by more than a TD, and he threw one in the 3rd before he was pulled against the bills when getting blown out.

Look at his scoring summaries. Other than those two, all of his other 2nd half TD's came while the game was still within 1 drive.
I'll admit that my numbers were off, I looked at his numbers initially, but my calculations were based off the wrong set of numbers and I realized it after the fact. So I apologize about that.

Though saying the majority of his touchdowns came when down by 14 was a misnomer, I meant to say the majority came when his team was down, which 11 tds came while trailing. 6 of those games his team was down by 2 scores or more (an average of 13 points).

I still stand behind my statement though, Thigpen was alright, but I don't really think he was at all better than Campbell.

Campbell has a lot of work to do, but at the same time this grass is greener mentality that we have is the same thing that has gotten us in so much trouble in the past.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I wasnt really trying to say the rookie would put those numbers up instantly.....sorry.

More so trying to state if JC were to put those numbers up, win a playoff game....we would just let him go? No extension? Time to start over?

It would certainly be a big improvement in his TD #'s, that's for sure. (Although still far from great in relation to other QB's around the league and his duration as a pro, etc.).

The increased INT's, which has been one of the biggest misleading stat's thrown up on here recently wouldn't bother me, as it would be suggesting he was at least trying to go out and WIN games, as opposed to playing safe and not losing them as he has to date in the main.

Honestly man, I can't give you an honest answer without actually seeing the games play out.

It's all relative as to if he was seeing and spreading the WHOLE field, and not just locking in on one or two players; just speeding everything up in general and making far better instant reads, releasing the ball a whole bunch quicker, etc.

Many would say a first round draft pick entering his fifth year as a pro should have these basic staples MORE than down already; which is why I said, although they'd be a big jump forward for Jason, in relation to what is reasonable to expect from a similar pick, with similar experience, they still wouldn't make great reading.

Hail.

[wvtbred]

and threw 6 more INTs, and played in a crappy division, and his team had a worse record overall. Odd how people use the team's W-L record against JC, but for some reason it isn't considered now with Thigpen.

The Chiefs traded a 2nd rounder for Cassell because Thigpen tore it up so much. :silly: Seriously, I know TDs are important, but many of you severaly undervalue the rest of a QBs performance as a result of overvaluing TDs. Thigpen threw more TD's than Roethlisberger, so is he better than Big Ben too?

It is also very amusing that many people claiming that "Campbell is done, I've seen enough," base this almost solely on the W-L record, or TDs, the 2 areas JC wasn't stellar in. Yet, when you point out Cutler went 8-8 also, it's "oh their D was 28th." I thought we weren't supposed to make "excuses" for a QB, cuz a good one gets it done anyways right?



and he was constantly playing from behind. Do you think more INT's are thrown when the other team is in a nickle/prevent D? You over look the most important item and that is Tyler was in his FIRST year of play, Jason is in his what 3rd? Not even close IMO.

I am not saying Tyler is a top QB but I see a brighter future for him then Jason.

[MartinC]

I am not saying Tyler is a top QB but I see a brighter future for him then Jason.

You see a brighter future for Ryan Leaf than Jason so that not exactly news.

[Thinking Skins]

I want JC back on the Skins next year. If he has a good year his price will go up. I think we will see a much different offense this coming season. I am excited to see how JC progresses in his second year of the WCO, and I also would like to see what the 2nd rounders can do.

I love how the Times is still pushing around the fact that we are trying to get Cutler even though EVERYONE that has spoke to the media has said its not a factor.

Yeah, hopefully another year in the system and with these WRs will help us put up an elite offense this year.

[flexxskins]

He doesn't have the right attitude to be a winner in this league. Plain and simple.What the Sam hill does that mean?

Are there examples?

Can you please elaborate...or do you even know what you mean?:doh:

[Thinking Skins]

No offense, but no matter what Jason said, it will be twisted to suit the predetermined opinion of him.

If he said we'll win 12 game next season then it would be "he's too confident and assertive", "I want my leader to be humble"


no one here knows him, nor can anyone tell anything about him from quotes in the paper

I wonder how they judge "not a leader". Is T.O. a leader? He's somebody who goes out and brags about what he can do. What about Romo? He's a guy who doesn't talk in a passive voice. What about McNabb? He's known for saying his fare share. And what about Eli? I remember Tiki and Shockey saying he wasn't a leader. Just so happens that Eli won a super bowl after they both weren't playing any more (Tiki had retired, Shockey was hurt).

[Thinking Skins]

Not all the games lost were JC's fault. I was at the Ravens game, where they lost by 14. On one play JC's arm was hit just as he threw, and the ball floated Billy Kilmer style for an INT by Ed Reed. The Ravens scored 7 on that drive.

In another series Portis fumbles straight into Reed's hands for a direct score.
14-0;
This all happened in the first quarter.

In the Browns game, same thing Cooley fumbles on the opening drive, and Sellers fumbles going into the endzone.

Not Saying Campbell is Joe Montana or even Phill Simms, and every QB makes a bad throw here or there, but I've seen Jason make spectacular throws too.

Bash him all you want, but I'm not convinced.

shhhh, we're not allowed to make "excuses" for Campbell's play.

[elkabong82]

and he was constantly playing from behind. Do you think more INT's are thrown when the other team is in a nickle/prevent D? You over look the most important item and that is Tyler was in his FIRST year of play, Jason is in his what 3rd? Not even close IMO.

I am not saying Tyler is a top QB but I see a brighter future for him then Jason.

Thigpen has a brighter future? As a back-up to Cassel? You've already made up your mind JC won't do well this season, which is foolish because none of us really knows how he'll do, but to you any young QB's future is going to look better.

And if you really are going to consider game situations and that Thigpen played from behind, then I'm going to point how bad our OL was, that JC got sacked more than Thigpen, and I will point out he was throwing to future HOFer Tony Gonzalez, and big, physical WR Dwayne Bowe. It's already been pointed out Bowe and Gonzalez and Darling are better redzone threats than our guys cuz of their size. The majority of Thigpen's TDs went to Gonzalez, then Bowe, the Darling in the redzone. Moss is good, but he isn't a redzone threat.

Like I said, those who already have their mind made up that JC will fail this year pine about almost every other QB in the NFL, but when the flaws of those QBs are pointed out, then it's ok to make excuses. But if any other explanation is used for Campbell other than "he isn't good," it's labeled an "excuse." Like I said, many who have made up their mind JC will fail are holding a double standard as a result. Stuff like that happens when you're close-minded on a subject.

[wvtbred]

Thigpen has a brighter future? As a back-up to Cassel? You've already made up your mind JC won't do well this season, which is foolish because none of us really knows how he'll do, but to you any young QB's future is going to look better.

And if you really are going to consider game situations and that Thigpen played from behind, then I'm going to point how bad our OL was, that JC got sacked more than Thigpen, and I will point out he was throwing to future HOFer Tony Gonzalez, and big, physical WR Dwayne Bowe. It's already been pointed out Bowe and Gonzalez and Darling are better redzone threats than our guys cuz of their size. The majority of Thigpen's TDs went to Gonzalez, then Bowe, the Darling in the redzone. Moss is good, but he isn't a redzone threat.

Like I said, those who already have their mind made up that JC will fail this year pine about almost every other QB in the NFL, but when the flaws of those QBs are pointed out, then it's ok to make excuses. But if any other explanation is used for Campbell other than "he isn't good," it's labeled an "excuse." Like I said, many who have made up their mind JC will fail are holding a double standard as a result. Stuff like that happens when you're close-minded on a subject.

So many ways to go with that but it isn't worth it. Just stop making excuses for Jason or at least if you do continue allow me to not agree.

[jnhay]

So many ways to go with that but it isn't worth it. Just stop making excuses for Jason or at least if you do continue allow me to not agree.

What percentage of your posts are about how bad Jason Campbell is?

[iMeast]

Of course he wants to stay here. Where else is he going to be the unconditional starter?

Couldn't have said it better.

HTTR

[Santana_89]

I am a REDSKINS fan and I want the offense to consistantly put up points on the board and stop leaving the defense holding the bag. I want a QB who DESERVES the title of franchise QB.Not because he's been slightly better than a longline of other medicore qb's in our past. Campbell seems like a nice guy and all but that does not win ballgames. So it would be nice for JC to FINALLY breakthrough and become an good qb,who can LEAD this team to wins.I WOULD EAT SERIOUS CROWand quite happily at that. But I'm not holding my breathe.I think JC is what he is and there will NOT be significant improvement, to warrant the contract/title of franchise qb some of you want to blindly hand him.

[MartinC]

So many ways to go with that but it isn't worth it. Just stop making excuses for Jason or at least if you do continue allow me to not agree.

Not agreeing is fine, in fact its encouraged. However presenting opinion as fact over and over again gets a bit old.

Some posters have an opinion that Campbell will never make a good NFL QB. Thats fine - but it is just an opinion nothing more. Some of us think Campbell has shown enough to give reason to think he can be a good NFL QB. Thats just opinion nothing more. There is evidence to support both views.

We all understand which side of that divide you stand on. We get it.

I do get the strong impression though that you would be happier to see Jason fail and us lose just so it conforms to your world view.

For the record I'm not a Jason Campbell fan I'm a Washington Redskins fan and I will support whomever is our QB. This year, absent something really remarkable or injury, thats going to be Jason Campbell and I'm right behind him.

[Rdskns2000]

You want to stay, then you lead the Redskins into the playoffs. No playoffs and you are done.

[MartinC]

You want to stay, then you lead the Redskins into the playoffs. No playoffs and you are done.

Hypothetically then a 10-6 record, 4,000 passing yards, 20+TDs but we miss out on the playoffs on a tie breaker.......and you let him walk? Really?

[addicted]

I'll be happy when he's off the team. Does anyone ever see Farve, Manning, or Brady saying some dumb ass things like this? These comments reak of suckyness. He has no confidence and to say he likes the support he had from Washington fans clearly shows he's either too stupid to notice how most people feel, not educated enough to ever read anything, or flat out not give a damn what fans really think. I'm done with this idiot and wish like hell we could be so blessed that we could trade him to the Browns for Quinn or Denver for Cutler but those teams aren't as stupid as some "fans" of Campbell soup and know he's terrible. Jason Campbells garbage and we deserve better then this. Put in Colt and cut his butt

[terpskins10]

I'll be happy when he's off the team. Does anyone ever see Farve, Manning, or Brady saying some dumb ass things like this? These comments reak of suckyness. He has no confidence and to say he likes the support he had from Washington fans clearly shows he's either too stupid to notice how most people feel, not educated enough to ever read anything, or flat out not give a damn what fans really think. I'm done with this idiot and wish like hell we could be so blessed that we could trade him to the Browns for Quinn or Denver for Cutler but those teams aren't as stupid as some "fans" of Campbell soup and know he's terrible. Jason Campbells garbage and we deserve better then this. Put in Colt and cut his butt

lol.

[STBonecrusher21]

I'll be happy when he's off the team. Does anyone ever see Farve, Manning, or Brady saying some dumb ass things like this? These comments reak of suckyness. He has no confidence and to say he likes the support he had from Washington fans clearly shows he's either too stupid to notice how most people feel, not educated enough to ever read anything, or flat out not give a damn what fans really think. I'm done with this idiot and wish like hell we could be so blessed that we could trade him to the Browns for Quinn or Denver for Cutler but those teams aren't as stupid as some "fans" of Campbell soup and know he's terrible. Jason Campbells garbage and we deserve better then this. Put in Colt and cut his butt

:doh:

Just....

Wow....

[Thinking Skins]

I'll be happy when he's off the team. Does anyone ever see Farve, Manning, or Brady saying some dumb ass things like this? These comments reak of suckyness. He has no confidence and to say he likes the support he had from Washington fans clearly shows he's either too stupid to notice how most people feel, not educated enough to ever read anything, or flat out not give a damn what fans really think. I'm done with this idiot and wish like hell we could be so blessed that we could trade him to the Browns for Quinn or Denver for Cutler but those teams aren't as stupid as some "fans" of Campbell soup and know he's terrible. Jason Campbells garbage and we deserve better then this. Put in Colt and cut his butt

I want everybody to remember that its not the person, its the idea!!

[brandymac27]

This article doesn't really make me feel any better about JC. For the teams sake, I hope like heck he can get it together this season, but I think at this point that's asking a lot. Either way, whether JC is our starter or not, we still need another QB. TC is old, so if (hypothetically) CB becomes #2 after TC is gone what are we gonna do at #3?

[ST is my boy]

I'll be happy when he's off the team. Does anyone ever see Farve, Manning, or Brady saying some dumb ass things like this? These comments reak of suckyness. He has no confidence and to say he likes the support he had from Washington fans clearly shows he's either too stupid to notice how most people feel, not educated enough to ever read anything, or flat out not give a damn what fans really think. I'm done with this idiot and wish like hell we could be so blessed that we could trade him to the Browns for Quinn or Denver for Cutler but those teams aren't as stupid as some "fans" of Campbell soup and know he's terrible. Jason Campbells garbage and we deserve better then this. Put in Colt and cut his butt

Its comments like this that make this site worse and worse every day. Where do you people come from?

[gonzalez_p]

If we had a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady as our franchise QB, would we have been a playoff team in 08? I believe we would have. Should Redskins fans expect anything less from our F.O. then a premier QB? Has J.C. shown that he has the tools to become a tier one QB? I haven't seen that. I believe the cast of wide outs and their many dropped balls, and our below par o line has contributed to his mediocrity. Unfortunately, he has shown nothing but mediocrity. I personally believe we'll draft a QB with the 13th pick, and dare J.C. to prove the front office is incorrect in their evaluation of his talent level. What's the worst that can happen? We have a first round pick on the bench, and J.C. becomes a superb QB. I'd gladly live with that problem. Otherwise, we'd have a first round on the bench, learning Zorn's system for a year. When J.C. departs in 2010, we have a groomed successor ready to take over.

[McD5]

I am a REDSKINS fan and I want the offense to consistantly put up points on the board and stop leaving the defense holding the bag. I want a QB who DESERVES the title of franchise QB.Not because he's been slightly better than a longline of other medicore qb's in our past. Campbell seems like a nice guy and all but that does not win ballgames. So it would be nice for JC to FINALLY breakthrough and become an good qb,who can LEAD this team to wins.I WOULD EAT SERIOUS CROWand quite happily at that. But I'm not holding my breathe.I think JC is what he is and there will NOT be significant improvement, to warrant the contract/title of franchise qb some of you want to blindly hand him.

Wrong team.

We have never really aired it out, had a serious passing attack, or led the league in td passes.

You would have to go back in time to see anything like that from the Redskins.


My advice, for what it is worth?

You already know how this season is going to progress.

Run, run and more run. The O-line will be tired and worn down by the halfway mark, and that is the deal. Barring a first rounder OT, that is our offensive plan for 2009.


For everyone's sake and general well-being, I would suggest to not expect anything out of JC this year, once again. We will have some victories, but like last season, the season before, and the season before, they will be in spite of JC, not because he is carrying us.

When Portis is running well, we can win. When he isn't, and JC has to step up, we will of course lose.

If you ever want to see a passing attack, he is obviously not the answer. That isn't to say we absolutely need that to win. But if you are thinking JC is going to light it up this year, or that any team will ever fear him, you are setting yourself up for major disappointment.

[wvtbred]

I'll be happy when he's off the team. Does anyone ever see Farve, Manning, or Brady saying some dumb ass things like this? These comments reak of suckyness. He has no confidence and to say he likes the support he had from Washington fans clearly shows he's either too stupid to notice how most people feel, not educated enough to ever read anything, or flat out not give a damn what fans really think. I'm done with this idiot and wish like hell we could be so blessed that we could trade him to the Browns for Quinn or Denver for Cutler but those teams aren't as stupid as some "fans" of Campbell soup and know he's terrible. Jason Campbells garbage and we deserve better then this. Put in Colt and cut his butt

I was hoping for a third round pick on draft day but you might be right.

[brandymac27]

If we had a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady as our franchise QB, would we have been a playoff team in 08? Ibelieve we would have. Should Redskins fans expect anything less from our F.O. th en a premier QB? Has J.C. shown that he has the tools to become a tier one QB? I haven't seen that. I believe the cast of wide outs and their many dropped balls, and our below par o line has contributed to his mediocrity. Unfortunately, he has shown nothing but mediocrity. I personally believe we'll draft a QB with the 13th pick, and dare J.C. to prove the front office is incorrect in their evaluation of his talent level. What's the worst that can happen? We have a first round pick on the bench, and J.C. becomes a superb QB. I'd gladly live with that problem. Otherwise, we'd have a first round on the bench, learning Zorn's system for a year. When J.C. departs in 2010, we have a groomed successor ready to take over.


Only way to find out is to put another QB in and find out. As you said, it's not all his fault. Receivers, O line and other factors did play a role, but we'll never really find out if JC has what it takes until we put someone else in there (with the same receivers and line) to compare him to.

[wvtbred]

Not agreeing is fine, in fact its encouraged. However presenting opinion as fact over and over again gets a bit old.

Some posters have an opinion that Campbell will never make a good NFL QB. Thats fine - but it is just an opinion nothing more. Some of us think Campbell has shown enough to give reason to think he can be a good NFL QB. Thats just opinion nothing more. There is evidence to support both views.

We all understand which side of that divide you stand on. We get it.

I do get the strong impression though that you would be happier to see Jason fail and us lose just so it conforms to your world view.

For the record I'm not a Jason Campbell fan I'm a Washington Redskins fan and I will support whomever is our QB. This year, absent something really remarkable or injury, thats going to be Jason Campbell and I'm right behind him.

Nothing more? Don't kill the messenger. He doesn't lead this team let alone the O. He is not the face of this team like a QB does all over the league. He only throws 13 TD's in a full season. He looks terrible in the pocket. His baseball windup will never work in the NFL although EVERY DE in the league hopes he stays around.

At this point HE HAS FAILED not that I like that (and I really don't care if you believe me or not) so don't blame me blame him and for his sake let him go.

[wvtbred]

Only way to find out is to put another QB in and find out. As you said, it's not all his fault. Receivers, O line and other factors did play a role, but we'll never really find out if JC has what it takes until we put someone else in there (with the same receivers and line) to compare him to.

You mean like when Todd came in during the end of 2007?

[brandymac27]

You mean like when Todd came in during the end of 2007?


Whatever gets the "W".

[ST is my boy]

You mean like when Todd came in during the end of 2007?

DUDE WE GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOD LORD! :doh:

[wvtbred]

DUDE WE GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOD LORD! :doh:

You guys keeping bringing it up not me.

[STBonecrusher21]

Nothing more? Don't kill the messenger. He doesn't lead this team let alone the O. He is not the face of this team like a QB does all over the league. He only throws 13 TD's in a full season. He looks terrible in the pocket. His baseball windup will never work in the NFL although EVERY DE in the league hopes he stays around.

And you were told this by who? Every DE in the league?


At this point HE HAS FAILED not that I like that (and I really don't care if you believe me or not) so don't blame me blame him and for his sake let him go.

Again, this is according to who, you? And you are?

And you're still wondering why people give you **** here. You just let the most ridiculous things come from your keyboard.

Give it a rest. Enough of the spewing of nonsense on this board.

[Emoshag]

JC is NOT a leader. His quotes say it all. He's tentative, uses passive voice. I want my leader to be confident and assertive and active. JC is none of those things.

Watch. (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807f29d5)


Bingo. He's the QB and nothing any schmuck says on here - not me, you, or anyone else - is going to do anything to change it. So root for him to do well. It will make things much easier for this team in the future to not have a QB controversy every year, as much as the city seems to love them.

I did. He disappointed. Next.


If you want to see a QB that thrives with zero o-line, a mediocre run game, 1 good WR and 1 good TE, and barely any experience in a system, watch some Tyler Thigpen highlights.

And I expected you to say Pittsburg.


I can't imagine what those "plenty" are watching. He's big, strong-armed, tough, and mobile. He's a first round talent. His teammates admire his calm demeanor--he doesn't get rattled. More progression in his game this year, and we'll be fine. BUT that depends upon his teammates stepping it up--namely o-line and the young receivers. He basically had Moss and Coolely the last half of the season, and that is not enough for any QB. He'll be fine.

When he was drafted the only people who thought so were the Redskins. Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers went before him and the teams left in the first round had declared that QB was NOT a priority. Jason went at 23.... the next was Charlie Frye at 67. I posted this a week ago (http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?p=6238473&highlight=Emoshag#post6238473). First round my ass.


I can't wait to read this board when we let JC go and he is running an offense that allows him to throw down the field

Hello Oakland. And they are consistently amazing. In some way.


JC is a rare breed in the NFL right now--a player that doesn't talk trash, doesn't whine to the media, doesn't make contract demands, doesn't throw his teammates under the bus, doesn't pout like a baby, and simply focuses on doing his job better and helping the team win. I don't understand why he draws so much bitterness and anger from the ES crowd. Root for the guy--he's young, talented, and is a class act.

He's a fifth year rookie with marginal talent. Sure, he may run well and can throw 60 yards.... but to play quarterback you need more talents like quick decision making, intuitive memorization skills, the ability to read defenses, hair trigger reflexes and the ability to elevate the players around you. He lacks every single one of these. And 95% of the guys on the current roster are class acts. High character guys don't win ****. Good football players in the right system with good coaching, team chemistry and a dash of good fortune (injuries, lucky turnovers... etc.) win football games. And Campbell has a losing record since being named our starter. But boy.... I am sure am glad he is a nice person.

I am just hoping in the whole slew of Cutler trade talks... Sanchez workouts and the wait and see approach to Campbells contract.... someone who DOES make decisions realizes that this might have already done the damage to Campbells already tepid football demeanor. And I also hope they realize that all of this could lend itself very well to a real, no bull****, from the get-go quarterback competetion.

Please (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq5VYHWkQfc).

[wvtbred]

And you were told this by who? Every DE in the league?



Again, this is according to who, you? And you are?

And you're still wondering why people give you **** here. You just let the most ridiculous things come from your keyboard.

Give it a rest. Enough of the spewing of nonsense on this board.

Considering what we paid for him and what the return has been it's been a failure IMO. Better?

[brlawson]

Whatever gets the "W".


I agree. Just win baby. I think that anything less than the playoffs earns him a spot on another team. It's unfortunate, however it is how I think Snyder will make it for him.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

of course he wants to stay with the skins, he and his agent both know that no other team would want him starting unless its a stop gap measure.

[Stophovr6]

What is he supposed to say?

"I don't want to be a Redskin, I'm a mediocre QB and I'm wasting everyones time."