PFT: Redskins amongst leading candidates to land Cutler/Shanahan

[Ellis Dee]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/report-redskins-among-the-leading-candidates-to-get-cutler/

Rumors continue to swirl for the 'Skins landing Cutler and then getting Shanahan. There will definitely be fines if we fire Zorn this year and get Shanny. Now that Bowlen has put Cutler out on the market you can expect a bunch of these types of rumors.

Also please don't ban me. First post! :)

[CBass1724]

I <3 pft! 143 831

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

All I can do is :fingersx:

[benskins26]

If that's the case, maybe you should have held off on adopting the name JimZorn. lol

[Ellis Dee]

If that's the case, maybe you should have held off on adopting the name JimZorn. lol

I believe my friend.... I believe! :point2sky

[benskins26]

I wonder if PFT is pulling an April Fool's joke with all this?

[SnyderShrugged]

Highly unlikely (IMHO) I also feel this is possibly an April Fools joke

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I wonder if PFT is pulling an April Fool's joke with all this?


Highly unlikely (IMHO) I also feel this is possibly an April Fools joke

From a Denver Post article?

It would be funny, but a little unprofessional. I don't see them joking on this.

[Califan007]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/justmebyron/Humorous/batboy1.jpg

[ST is my boy]

^^^^^ HAHAHAAHA nice

[Mister Happy]

Instead of posting PFT quoting the Denver Post, why not just quote the Denver Post directly?

As you can tell from the posts in this thread, PFT is a dubious source with a lot of speculation and rumors posing as news.

I'd rather read the Denver Post's speculation straight from the source than PFT quoting the Denver Post's speculation as if it was news.

Or, in other words:



PFT? :nono:

[Metalhead387]

Florio is a giant bag of douche

[rd421]

That pic is pretty funny...honestly this would not shock me the team had to say we were not interested when he was not "on the market" who knows at this point...

[SIXX99]

I really hope we don't get Cutler and I really really hope we don't fire Zorn for Shanahan.

[benskins26]

I really hope we don't get Cutler and I really really hope we don't fire Zorn for Shanahan.

I'd love Cutler, but Zorn for Shanny? No thanks. I like Shanahan, and I have no doubt he'd be successful with CP and Cutler here, but he's what, 65? I'll pass on the swan-song coaches. I want to build something, not have a fill-in at the end of their career. Been there, done that.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I'd love Cutler, but Zorn for Shanny? No thanks. I like Shanahan, and I have no doubt he'd be successful with CP and Cutler here, but he's what, 65? I'll pass on the swan-song coaches. I want to build something, not have a fill-in at the end of their career. Been there, done that.

He's one year older than Jim Zorn....

Do people just randomly say things without checking facts? :doh:

[RedskinGodfather]

I'd love Cutler, but Zorn for Shanny? No thanks. I like Shanahan, and I have no doubt he'd be successful with CP and Cutler here, but he's what, 65? I'll pass on the swan-song coaches. I want to build something, not have a fill-in at the end of their career. Been there, done that.

Are you joking? Shanahan > Zorn. He is a winner and is what we need. I am sure when we signed Joe Gibbs at 65 you didn't have that same viewpoint. Joe Gibbs did us wonders. PTTTTTT.

[rhyno]

He's one year older than Jim Zorn....

Do people just randomly say things without checking facts? :doh:

Yeah, but Zorn's young at heart:D

[benskins26]

He's one year older than Jim Zorn....

Do people just randomly say things without checking facts? :doh:

It's not necessarily even the age that concerns me. At least with Zorn, he's getting his first shot at coaching. As I said, Shanahan is a "swansong" coach. He's good for a couple more years, going for one last shot at a Superbowl. Plus, he's aged, and not in numbers so to speak. Like a 31 year old RB- there reaches a point where they more or less hit a wall when they are run ragged for 8 or 9 seasons. Plus, doesn't Zorn just SEEM younger?

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Are you joking? Shanahan > Zorn. He is a winner and is what we need. I am sure when we signed Joe Gibbs at 65 you didn't have that same viewpoint. Joe Gibbs did us wonders. PTTTTTT.

Zorn - 55 years old

Shanahan - 56 years old


Yeah, but Zorn's young at heart:D

:laugh:

I'll take tons of experience and a few rings over being "young at heart" ;)

Plus, I've always been a fan of Shanahan's.

[Gibbsisgod2006]

Me and a buddy of mine went to the skins eagles game at Fed ex last December. My buddy had got the tickets from one of his friends and they were suite tickets. After the game and I swear on my life I was out having a smoke and a I was talking to guy who told me if Zorn had lost the game that the Skins were very interested in bringing in Shanahan to be the next head coach.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

It's not necessarily even the age that concerns me. At least with Zorn, he's getting his first shot at coaching. As I said, Shanahan is a "swansong" coach. He's good for a couple more years, going for one last shot at a Superbowl. Plus, he's aged, and not in numbers so to speak. Like a 31 year old RB- there reaches a point where they more or less hit a wall when they are run ragged for 8 or 9 seasons. Plus, doesn't Zorn just SEEM younger?

How do you know he's good for a "couple more years"? Do you know him? What has he said to imply that? He could still coach for over a decade and not be horribly old.

Zorn lost me after the Cincy game. He SEEMS like the job is too big for him.

[benskins26]

Are you joking? Shanahan > Zorn. He is a winner and is what we need. I am sure when we signed Joe Gibbs at 65 you didn't have that same viewpoint. Joe Gibbs did us wonders. PTTTTTT.

Obviously, people aren't getting what I'm saying. I completely agree that Shanahan is better than Zorn, and I think he'd be successful here if we were to land Cutler, but he's good for what, maybe 3-4 seasons, at most? I'd love to have him, but I don't want to repeat this whole process every 3 or 4 years. I'd like some stability at HC for a while, for once.

[SIXX99]

Firing Zorn for Shanahan would be the worst move this team could possibly make end of story.

[heliKCx17]

Jay cutler is not that much better than jc....by the time we recover from trading another starter and a first rounder...so lets see, we'd have 4 major holes instead of 2 b/c we don't have a 1st rounder, he will be almost 30 and the trade will be worthless...

please no!!!

[IbleedBnG83]

Obviously, people aren't getting what I'm saying. I completely agree that Shanahan is better than Zorn, and I think he'd be successful here if we were to land Cutler, but he's good for what, maybe 3-4 seasons, at most? I'd love to have him, but I don't want to repeat this whole process every 3 or 4 years. I'd like some stability at HC for a while, for once.

So keeping an untested coach like Zorn with a HUGE question mark at QB with JC shows more stability than a SB head coach in Shanahan and a young pro bowl QB in Jay Cutler.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't Shanahan/Cutler prove to be a much more stable and successful alternative than Zorn/JC?

You are making claims without any substance to back them up.

[benskins26]

How do you know he's good for a "couple more years"? Do you know him? What has he said to imply that? He could still coach for over a decade and not be horribly old.

Zorn lost me after the Cincy game. He SEEMS like the job is too big for him.

Obviously not. This is a message board, and I'm simply posting my opinion. If I had anything beyond opinion and personal feelings as an NFL fan, I might be employed with the NFL in some capacity. I'm just saying that for a coach that's been in the league for as long as Shanahan, and already has 2 Lombardis, do you really think he wants to kick start the whole machine again and essentially start a whole new career? Im GUESSING not. I would think it would be a temporary solution. I would certainly love to be proven wrong. I like Shanahan. A lot. As I said though, my gut says he's only in it for a few years to try and prove that he can get it done without Elway.

[Wyndorf25]

This stuff gets worse by the day. If these truly are just "rumors" and I do consider the source, then Snyder and Cerrato need to make sure that Zorn knows where he stands and the head coach of this team. Sure it's a business, but for the Skins to do what this article is suggesting would create such a ****storm of bad publicity that no coach would ever want to work for Snyder again.

As for blowing up this year's draft and jettisoning Campbell for a diabetic, non-professional, soggy-diaper of a QB (whom I admit, may be more talented than JC) is not the smart thing to do given all of the other areas of need for this team IMO. My worry is that if the Skins make a play for Cutler, they will get fleeced and then have the QB they want but the team around him will begin to rot and they will never truly get what they expected out of Cutler anyway.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Obviously not. This is a message board, and I'm simply posting my opinion. If I had anything beyond opinion and personal feelings as an NFL fan, I might be employed with the NFL in some capacity. I'm just saying that for a coach that's been in the league for as long as Shanahan, and already has 2 Lombardis, do you really think he wants to kick start the whole machine again and essentially start a whole new career? Im GUESSING not. I would think it would be a temporary solution. I would certainly love to be proven wrong. I like Shanahan. A lot. As I said though, my gut says he's only in it for a few years to try and prove that he can get it done without Elway.

Saying he was an old fart wasn't an opinion :silly:

I agree, we come here to discuss, which makes it fun (and somewhat addicting). Honestly, I could see Shanahan coming to a team for a bit over a decade before hanging it up for good. Of course a Super Bowl here and there might change that, but I don't see him as a temporary kind of guy.

[Skins PR]

I think this whole Bat-Boy thing is BS. At least it better be. That's all we need is another WR with degenerative knees but knowing Vinny and Dan, we're probably all over this guy.

[benskins26]

So keeping an untested coach like Zorn with a HUGE question mark at QB with JC shows more stability than a SB head coach in Shanahan and a young pro bowl QB in Jay Cutler.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't Shanahan/Cutler prove to be a much more stable and successful alternative than Zorn/JC?

You are making claims without any substance to back them up.

Again, I'm not trying to get into a whole thing here with this. As I said, I'd love Cutler in DC, and would be ecstatic if it happened. And again, I agree with everyone, as I've said a few times here, Shanahan OBVIOUSLY is better than Zorn. I just doubt that Shanahan is in it for the long haul. But again, I'm not claiming to have any "proof". As I keep repeating, it's my gut. You can choose to agree with me or not. Obviously you disagree, which is fine. It's a message board. These are opinions.

[Gibbsisgod2006]

So we are going to give up the 13th pick and Cambell for Cutler.

[Vooskin]

I no doubt believe Cutler would be an improvement over campbell. He may bit a bit of a baby that some reports say but what we need is the gunslinger mentality. I have NO problem with a qb that throws picks if he can also throw tds. I have more of a problem with a qb that doesnt throw pick but also doesnt throw tds. We have a good to great D, why not utilize it? Getting short fields last year didnt help campbell at all, we still kicked field goals. Cutler likes gunning and putting he ball in tight places, things Campbell would never do. There is talk of cutler not being extremely bright but its obvious he's at least smarter then Campbell.

My issue with all of this is not who would play QB for us its what would we have to give up, and with a deep OL and LB draft (2 positions of dire need) its hard to justify giving up a pick that could net us a potential stud at OL or LB

[benskins26]

Saying he was an old fart wasn't an opinion :silly:

I agree, we come here to discuss, which makes it fun (and somewhat addicting). Honestly, I could see Shanahan coming to a team for a bit over a decade before hanging it up for good. Of course a Super Bowl here and there might change that, but I don't see him as a temporary kind of guy.

Well, if that's the case, I'm all for it. In a heartbeat. I, like most of yall I'm sure, am just sick and tired of Wash, Rinse, Repeat. Stability=success.

[twobags95]

Do not trade for his knuckle head!

[SkinzFan007]

Jay cutler is not that much better than jc....by the time we recover from trading another starter and a first rounder...so lets see, we'd have 4 major holes instead of 2 b/c we don't have a 1st rounder, he will be almost 30 and the trade will be worthless...

please no!!!

Cutlers 25 years old and Campbell is 27 years old so what are you talking about??? And how can you say hes not much better than Campbell??

Last 3 years:

Cutler (37 starts) - 9,024 yards, 54 TD, 37 ints
Campbell (36 starts) - 7,242 yards, 35 TD, 23 ints

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Well, if that's the case, I'm all for it. In a heartbeat. I, like most of yall I'm sure, am just sick and tired of Wash, Rinse, Repeat. Stability=success.

Certain stabilities = success.

The "stability" we have right now seems to equal mediocrity to me.

[heliKCx17]

Cutlers 25 years old and Campbell is 27 years old so what are you talking about??? And how can you say hes not much better than Campbell??

Last 3 years:

Cutler (37 starts) - 9,024 yards, 54 TD, 37 ints
Campbell (36 starts) - 7,242 yards, 35 TD, 23 ints

Those are inflated stats, man, the broncos have been a heavy passing team since Terrell Davis left. They throw the ball 40+ times a game compared to the skins...there is more value in plugging a big hole at #13 in the draft than getting a QB who IS better...but not lightyears better, and then leaving all of those holes open....Cutler is not any better at breaking tackles from unblocked DEs/OLBs.

[benskins26]

Certain stabilities = success.

The "stability" we have right now seems to equal mediocrity to me.

Lol. OK, I'll give you that. I certainly agree that the status quo is not the answer.

[spjunkies]

How weird would it be if this crazy thing went down?

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Those are inflated stats, man, the broncos have been a heavy passing team since Terrell Davis left. They throw the ball 40+ times a game compared to the skins...there is more value in plugging a big hole at #13 in the draft than getting a QB who IS better...but not lightyears better, and then leaving all of those holes open....Cutler is not any better at breaking tackles from unblocked DEs/OLBs.

Cutler is lightyears better. My favorite new stat:

When their defenses hold the opponent to 21 points or less.....

Jay Cutler is 13-1.

Jason Campbell is 12-9.

.....that's a HUGE difference, especially considering our running game > their running game.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Lol. OK, I'll give you that. I certainly agree that the status quo is not the answer.

Same. I realized that (like I said before) after the Cincy game. The team had no heart, no adjusting, and no fight in that one.


How weird would it be if this crazy thing went down?

It would be ****ing awesome!

[benskins26]

Cutler is lightyears better. My favorite new stat:

When their defenses hold the opponent to 21 points or less.....

Jay Cutler is 13-1.

Jason Campbell is 12-9.

.....that's a HUGE difference, especially considering our running game > their running game.

I love this stat also. It's very telling. With our defense, and our running game, this team could be light years better with a young franchise QB. And if Shanny was part of the package, reunited with CP, our running game would be even better.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I love this stat also. It's very telling. With our defense, and our running game, this team could be light years better with a young franchise QB. And if Shanny was part of the package, reunited with CP, our running game would be even better.

We would be contenders.

Who's to not say in the package we could come out with a 2nd round pick this year and draft a young OL that's high on the board? There are options available that can improve both the OL and QB position.

In my head, we MUST get this trade done.

[DCMONEY]

Cutlers 25 years old and Campbell is 27 years old so what are you talking about??? And how can you say hes not much better than Campbell??

Last 3 years:

Cutler (37 starts) - 9,024 yards, 54 TD, 37 ints
Campbell (36 starts) - 7,242 yards, 35 TD, 23 ints

Not saying who's better but I guess Jason playing behind a worse line and 3 different systems shouldn't make a difference huh?

I know I know, there are people on this forum that say a QB thats starting out and playing in 3 or 4 systems in 4 years should progresss no matter what. I've been asking for the longest, who's done that? I still haven't got an answer.

Again for the record I think JC played well this past season all things considered.

[Santana_Fan]

I'd be so pissed if we get Cutler.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I'd be so pissed if we get Cutler.

....why?

[cphil006]

I still don't think we trade for Cutler.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I still don't think we trade for Cutler.

You forgot to mention how some guy was playing Madden and came up with this.... ;)

[Vooskin]

First off Cutler had a better Oline then we did? We have had a pretty good oline the past 3 or 4 years up untill the second half of this year. If you forgot our oline was dominant the first half.

Second of all you said "Again for the record I think JC played well this past season all things considered." to me that right there proves to me your judgement is terrible.

The simple fact was he was not good the whole season. When it was 3rd and 7 he threw a 6 yard pass, 3rd and 3 and threw a 1 or 2 yard pass. The man threw short and underneath all season long as well as being one of the most sacked qbs. I dont blame the Oline at all for this. I blame campbell for not processing what is in front him quick enough. They guy wasn't even solid, he may of had the interception streak but thats because he didnt take chances or even throw occasionally tight passes. Campbell threw underneath all day unless a guy more then 7 yards down field was wide open.

I'm not saying that campbell isnt capable of being at least good but he sure as hell wasnt good this past year. In fact there are backups on other teams or even starting qbs that people dont think that much of that I no doubt believe could have taken us to the playoffs for the simple fact they arent afraid to throw the ball.

Campbell had the #4th ranked defense to back him up, multiple probowlers at the skill positions as well as on the line on offense yet we managed what? The 30th ranked scoring offense? Even in the first half of the season campbell had like what 8 tds total? Its rediculous to even think he played well, I just dont see how anyone could honestly have watched the games and made the assumption unless they really have no clue about football.

[RedlightG20]

Those are inflated stats, man, the broncos have been a heavy passing team since Terrell Davis left. They throw the ball 40+ times a game compared to the skins...there is more value in plugging a big hole at #13 in the draft than getting a QB who IS better...but not lightyears better, and then leaving all of those holes open....Cutler is not any better at breaking tackles from unblocked DEs/OLBs.

My question is, why does everyone think that just because we have a high draft pick that that pick will be successful? Cerrato has shown that his top-round drafting skills aren't very good. I have no faith in his drafting in rounds 1-3, but beyond that, where it's normally a crapshoot for most teams, we've found some gems and that shouldn't be discounted.

At least by trading away to get Cutler (or any other quality, proven player), we greatly increase our chances of success in getting a true starter at the price of a pick (and perhaps more).

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about building a franchise through the draft like most teams do, but I don't think our FO's strongpoint is the draft. In that sense, sometimes we may be better off trading picks for proven players. They've been pretty liberal in giving away picks. Why? Recent history of this franchise shows that they are not comfortable with drafting. That's why.

[Buford]

You guys are crazy. The ROI for this could be so low.

The cost to get him. The cost to give him a new deal. The message it sends to players with bad attitudes. Its a mess.

[Lar0n Landry]

please god make this happen!

[da#1skinsfan]

Its unreal how sometimes the Skins find themselves right in the middle of every, single, trade or free agent scenario.

The juicier it is the more likely it seems we are involved...Cutler AND Shanahan? Come on...get real.

[SWFLSkins]

Those are inflated stats, man, the broncos have been a heavy passing team since Terrell Davis left. They throw the ball 40+ times a game compared to the skins...there is more value in plugging a big hole at #13 in the draft than getting a QB who IS better...but not lightyears better, and then leaving all of those holes open....Cutler is not any better at breaking tackles from unblocked DEs/OLBs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SkinzFan007
Cutlers 25 years old and Campbell is 27 years old so what are you talking about??? And how can you say hes not much better than Campbell??

Last 3 years:

Cutler (37 starts) - 9,024 yards, 54 TD, 37 ints
Campbell (36 starts) - 7,242 yards, 35 TD, 23 ints


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You know HELI, you have a great point there. Those stats with your considerations don't equate giving up a first rounder and Campbell for Cutler. But sadly Dr. Eveil :evilg: probably won't see it this way. Let alone take in to account that Campbell is mild tempered and a known comodity in the lockerroom.

[benskins26]

[quote=RedlightG20;6271905]My question is, why does everyone think that just because we have a high draft pick that that pick will be successful?
[quote]

I don't get this either. I don't know the stats by any means, but it seems to me that it's a crap shoot. Om did some great research on the success of the 13th pick, and while there have been some great ones including some HOFs, there have also been plenty of busts. I say, go for the sure thing. Get Cutler.

[benskins26]

I personally think that us, the Lions, and the Browns have the best leverage to get this done. I don't see what the Bucs have that the Broncos would want, besides draft picks, which the Broncos already said wouldnt get the deal done. The only reason I think you can throw the Lions in the group is that they have the first overall pick. The browns have 2 qbs available, and of course, we have a pretty high first and a somewhat decent qb. And of course, we have Dan Snyder. It's too bad that Cutler's agent is Cook, and not Drew. Otherwise, this would be a done deal.

[Stugein]

I'll keep my fingers crossed that this is just another joke. I hate Cutler's attitude. And arguments about his talent or lack thereof aside, I don't see how any group of real men could look at him and see him as a leader, which is what a QB needs to be. A QB needs the respect of and buy-in from his team, and I don't see how any team with a modicum of self respect could give that to him after the way he's acted.

For the record, I don't lay the blame for all the Denver shenanigans at his feet, though he certainly didn't help matters. The coach and the ownership both managed the situation poorly and Cutler had a right to be upset. That said, however, there is a difference between handling your grievances with dignity like an adult, and acting like a spoiled, over-privileged man-baby. He may as well have stamped his feet and yelled "I don't wanna drink my juice!" I don't want to see a person like that at the helm of my team, no matter how many TDs he throws.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Same. I realized that (like I said before) after the Cincy game. The team had no heart, no adjusting, and no fight in that one.




I dont' buy it - the skins played very well against the Eagles...

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I'll keep my fingers crossed that this is just another joke. I hate Cutler's attitude. And arguments about his talent or lack thereof aside, I don't see how any group of real men could look at him and see him as a leader, which is what a QB needs to be. A QB needs the respect of and buy-in from his team, and I don't see how any team with a modicum of self respect could give that to him after the way he's acted.

People hate his attitude but they love Portis being a Redskin. I don't see the two attitudes being that much different from both of these players.


For the record, I don't lay the blame for all the Denver shenanigans at his feet, though he certainly didn't help matters.

It's Shanahanigans ;)

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I dont' buy it - the skins played very well against the Eagles...

The defense and Jason Taylor did.

The offense sucked.

[DCMONEY]

First off Cutler had a better Oline then we did? We have had a pretty good oline the past 3 or 4 years up untill the second half of this year. If you forgot our oline was dominant the first half.

Second of all you said "Again for the record I think JC played well this past season all things considered." to me that right there proves to me your judgement is terrible.

The simple fact was he was not good the whole season. When it was 3rd and 7 he threw a 6 yard pass, 3rd and 3 and threw a 1 or 2 yard pass. The man threw short and underneath all season long as well as being one of the most sacked qbs. I dont blame the Oline at all for this. I blame campbell for not processing what is in front him quick enough. They guy wasn't even solid, he may of had the interception streak but thats because he didnt take chances or even throw occasionally tight passes. Campbell threw underneath all day unless a guy more then 7 yards down field was wide open.

I'm not saying that campbell isnt capable of being at least good but he sure as hell wasnt good this past year. In fact there are backups on other teams or even starting qbs that people dont think that much of that I no doubt believe could have taken us to the playoffs for the simple fact they arent afraid to throw the ball.

Campbell had the #4th ranked defense to back him up, multiple probowlers at the skill positions as well as on the line on offense yet we managed what? The 30th ranked scoring offense? Even in the first half of the season campbell had like what 8 tds total? Its rediculous to even think he played well, I just dont see how anyone could honestly have watched the games and made the assumption unless they really have no clue about football.

In response to your statement about Campbell throwing short on lets say its 3rd and 7. Zorn himseld said that the O-line protection wasn't good so thats whats he'd(Zorn) would call. He'd call for a 5 yard route hoping the player can get the other 2. He(Zorn) didn't have confidence in the O-line.

As far as having the 4th ranked defense, this defense didn't make key stops or force TO'ds like the Ravens and Steelers. Those teams were ranked high defensively, made sacks, made stops in key situations and forced TO's.

And as far as all the so called pro bowlers the Skins had, rightly or wrongly Skins fans stuffed the ballot boxes like no other fans in NFL history. The NFL might do things differently next year because of how Skins fans stuffed the boxes.

[acuratl1984]

All I can do is :fingersx:

Indeed, Shanahan should bring stability to the coaching position like Gibbs did. Everyone already thinks if Zorn fail this year we will let him go... why not just make him an overpaid QB coach again.

Hopefully Shanahan will then revamp the OLine.

Portis reunites with Shannahan??? with Backup Alridge =P

[benskins26]

PFT is reporting that possible courtship of Shanahan has already begun. Can you imagine if this all went through? Talk about the biggest coup d etat in history. Add that to the Haynesworth deal, and the Skins are obvious offseason Superbowl champs, but wouldn't that also make them strong contenders? It'd be CRAZY

[Fan since a Fetus]

I wouldn't want Cutler because it really seems like he has a bad attitude. I agree with a lot of the people that say he reminds them of Jeff George. He has acted like a whiny little brat about this whole situation instead of being a good team player. If he wanted to be traded, he should have gone behind closed doors, asked for the trade, and still showed up to work out with his teammates and returned phone calls. In other words, be a team leader. Even if Josh McDaniels is not a standup guy (and I don't care if he is), Cutler should be. He should show that he is mature (which he is not) enough to be the leader of a franchise. We wouldn't see Manning or Brady or even Campbell act this way!

Plus, I am a Campbell supporter. I think he should get another year to prove himself. You can't keep switching systems on a guy and expect him to be a pro-bowler. Peyton Manning couldn't survive the past few years with the Skins. I won't go any further about him, because this issue has been beaten to death in many threads, and ES has already made up its mind that he sucks. So, I know that I am in the minority.

I believe Zorn deserves more than 1-2 years also. I hear everyone yelling about consistency, yet everyone always wants to change coaches and players. I think coaches deserve at least 4-5 years to turn a team around. If they don't show significant sign of progress in that time, then yeah, fire them. I believe in Zorn. From what I see, he is smart enough, and he works hard enough. I believe he deserves those years, even though he is only signed for three.

As for Shanny, well wouldn't want him anyways. He would want to control personnel, which he is not very good at. He hasn't won anything without Elway. His defense has been notoriously horrible over the last few years. He picks up everybody else's cast offs. I mean, the guy Basically picked up the Browns defensive line one offseason, knowing that the Browns had a horrible defensive line. How smart is that? Plus Clarett and on and on and on.

I could go on about both of these guys, but no need to. I don't want them!!

[Vooskin]

13 Touchdowns 6 interceptions 38 sacks

These are the numbers Jason Campbell put up in an entire 16 games season, these numbers are pathetic.

The one thing Campbell has proven to me is he is consistently below average. Just because one every 5 games he has a solid game doesnt mean that is his potential and he is just being held back. Some of the crappiest qbs in history still had big games, gamers bigger then campbell has ever had. Jamarcus russell this year passed for 13tds and 8ints, a lower completion % but higher yards per pass. Russell plays for a terrible team and organization yet had some comparable numbers to jason who is at least surrounded by good if not pretty good talent.

[Late Night Roach]

Instead of posting PFT quoting the Denver Post, why not just quote the Denver Post directly?

As you can tell from the posts in this thread, PFT is a dubious source with a lot of speculation and rumors posing as news.

I'd rather read the Denver Post's speculation straight from the source than PFT quoting the Denver Post's speculation as if it was news.

Or, in other words:



PFT? :nono:


Which is why PFT included a link to the Denver Post in their article....


Or, in other words:

Click one of the leading candidates to land Cutler (http://www.denverpost.com/ci_12040620)

:D

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Redskin fans, take a moment and close your eyes with me.

It's February. You feel the warmth of the sun and you find yourself in a warmer climate. You can smell the hot dogs and hamburgers of surrounding tailgates. You can taste the beer on your lips. You open your eyes. The sun is out and palm trees surround you. You are wearing a #6 jersey. Cutler? You look around and realize you are at Dolphin stadium. The Skins are playing for the big one. You are there, crazed out of your mind. You then realize draft picks don't matter and maybe Vinny and Snyder aren't so stupid. It's all worth it.

See you all down here in February my friends.


*Written a little as a joke, but also believing in the truth this can become.

[AKM311]

The defense and Jason Taylor did.

The offense sucked.

I thought the offense managed that game very well!

Controlled the clock and field position.

Seems like thats what the Ravens and Steelers do. Hmmm, weren't they in the AFC Championship game?

[DCMONEY]

:snore:
Redskin fans, take a moment and close your eyes with me.

It's February. You feel the warmth of the sun and you find yourself in a warmer climate. You can smell the hot dogs and hamburgers of surrounding tailgates. You can taste the beer on your lips. You open your eyes. The sun is out and palm trees surround you. You are wearing a #6 jersey. Cutler? You look around and realize you are at Dolphin stadium. The Skins are playing for the big one. You are there, crazed out of your mind. You then realize draft picks don't matter and maybe Vinny and Snyder aren't so stupid. It's all worth it.

See you all down here in February my friends.


*Written a little as a joke, but also believing in the truth this can become.

If the Skins have the same kinda O-line play in the 2nd eight games then you're just dreamin cousin. :snore:

[ABSTRACT]

RUmors....Rumors...Rumors... Just people talking. Anyone can post things on the internet. Jason campbell is our QB and Zorn will be our coach.

[Wyndorf25]

I'll keep my fingers crossed that this is just another joke. I hate Cutler's attitude....The coach and the ownership both managed the situation poorly and Cutler had a right to be upset. That said, however, there is a difference between handling your grievances with dignity like an adult, and acting like a spoiled, over-privileged man-baby. He may as well have stamped his feet and yelled "I don't wanna drink my juice!" I don't want to see a person like that at the helm of my team, no matter how many TDs he throws.

My feelings exactly. It's not that I don't think Cutler is a decent QB, its that I don't like how he has conducted himself. JC has not once ever complained about the 15 different offenses he has had to learn over the years. He has never passed the buck and not taken responsibility for the teams shortcomings. He has never called out his teammates or coaches. All I've seen him do is work as hard as anyone on this team to make himself better and people want to give up on a guy like this for a malcontent QB?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

PFT is reporting that possible courtship of Shanahan has already begun. Can you imagine if this all went through? Talk about the biggest coup d etat in history. Add that to the Haynesworth deal, and the Skins are obvious offseason Superbowl champs, but wouldn't that also make them strong contenders? It'd be CRAZY

I can't say I'd be upset with Shanny as the next head coach and I'd even be OK with it happening before the coming season if the FO truly believes it is inevitable anyway (i.e., they don't believe Zorn will succeed and they know they will be looking for a coach after next season anyway).

Also, the combination of our off-season moves, plus Cutler and Shannahan would be fantastic. However, the one thing I think that would guarantee is an AWFUL 2009 season. Again, I'm OK with it because I'm ready for a long-term plan, but there is no way someone could take over any football team in April and have success that coming season.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I thought the offense managed that game very well!

Controlled the clock and field position.

Seems like thats what the Ravens and Steelers do. Hmmm, weren't they in the AFC Championship game?

T.O.P. difference of 33 minutes to 27 minutes isn't a huge factor. It's not like we controlled the entire game on offense. Our offense sucked and our defense won us the game. If we had a QB that could take advantage of our defense limiting teams in points more often, we'd be in the playoffs year in and year out.

Also, Baltimore averaged 24 ppg and Pittsburgh 21.7 ppg. We were at 16.6 ppg - that's an OFFENSIVE failure. Period.

To go along with the QB taking advantage of their defense statement, I'll repeat this:

When Denver's D held opposing teams to 21 or less Jay Cutler was 13-1.

When Campbell had that on D he's been 12-9.

QB FAIL.

[MattFancy]

I'm torn on getting Cutler or not. I think he could be a great QB in this league. I still think Campbell could be a solid QB, but I don't think he'll ever be great. I know that last year was Campbell's first year in a new offense, but it was Matt Ryan's and Joe Flacco's too, and both equal to if not better than Campbell last year. Matt Ryan had a passer rating of 87.7, Campbell's was 84.3, and Flacco's was 80.3. Cutler's by the way was 86.0

Ryan threw for 3440yds 16TDs 11INTs, Campbell 3245 13TDs 6INTs, Flacco 2971 14 12, and Cutler 4526 25 18. Yes Campbell had the least amount of INTs, but he also threw for less TDs than 2 rookies. Flacco was on a team that was run heavy and still had comparable numbers to Campbell.

I just think Campbell will be a middle of the road QB for his career. He won't make alot of mistakes to lose a game for you, but he won't make alot of plays to win a game for you either. I think Cutler could lose a game with some of his INTs, but he could also win a game with his arm. I'd rather have a QB that I believe could win a game on his own, then have one that is playing not to make mistakes. I like QBs that take chances down the field and Campbell just doesn't do that enough.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

:snore:

If the Skins have the same kinda O-line play in the 2nd eight games then you're just dreamin cousin. :snore:

People need to wakeup.

We averaged only 20 ppg in the first 8 games - that would have been good for 24th (if I recall) in the NFL on the season. We did this with the best running game in the first half of the year.

[Stew]

13 Touchdowns 6 interceptions 38 sacks

These are the numbers Jason Campbell put up in an entire 16 games season, these numbers are pathetic.

The one thing Campbell has proven to me is he is consistently below average. Just because one every 5 games he has a solid game doesnt mean that is his potential and he is just being held back. Some of the crappiest qbs in history still had big games, gamers bigger then campbell has ever had. Jamarcus russell this year passed for 13tds and 8ints, a lower completion % but higher yards per pass. Russell plays for a terrible team and organization yet had some comparable numbers to jason who is at least surrounded by good if not pretty good talent.

6 interceptions isn't below average and 38 sacks arent all his fault.

J. Russell at the very least had stability in his college career before going to Al Davis land, something Campbell never had the benefit of, yet he still put up great college numbers and comperable numbers to Russell.

Also, J. Russell may very well turn out to be a great QB if/when he goes to another team. Judging someone on the Raiders is always hard.

Im not saying we should stick with Campbell because the thought of Cutler is an enticing one. Im really on the fence about this. Campbell has steadily improved since he has played here. It would be exciting to see him improve again this year. If we were to furnish him with a bigger, possession receiver that owned their own space and went up and across the middle for balls, I think Campbell would have all the tools he needs to take his game to the next level.

With that said, Cutler is already at that next level and could probably make the WR's he has look even better. The diabetes thing doesn't scare me much because he is young, but it is a concern to have none the less.

I think Cutler would help this team a great deal. I think we would have to give up a lot to get him. I also think Campbell will improve enough this season to get us to the playoffs as well. The question I have is whether or not Cutler will be worth what we will have to give up to get him. What will people say if we trade for Cutler and Campbell takes the Broncos to the playoffs? What if we don't make the playoffs under Cutlet?

[Stew]

And as far as all the so called pro bowlers the Skins had, rightly or wrongly Skins fans stuffed the ballot boxes like no other fans in NFL history. The NFL might do things differently next year because of how Skins fans stuffed the boxes.

and Fletcher still didn't make the Pro-Bowl.:doh:

[Vooskin]

My feelings exactly. It's not that I don't think Cutler is a decent QB, its that I don't like how he has conducted himself. JC has not once ever complained about the 15 different offenses he has had to learn over the years. He has never passed the buck and not taken responsibility for the teams shortcomings. He has never called out his teammates or coaches. All I've seen him do is work as hard as anyone on this team to make himself better and people want to give up on a guy like this for a malcontent QB?

He's done all these honorable things or should I say expected yet on the field he has still been below average.

Skins Fan3 is right when saying the rookies played to campbell's level or higher. And the simple fact both ryan and flacco threw more tds then campbell fits perfectly with the consistency in him throwing for less yards then he needs for a first down. I don;t want to hear the BS about zorn giving him plays like those because he didnt think the oline could hold up, there was plenty of times when campbell had plenty of time and still dumped off or jumped the gun.

[mbws]

I thought the offense managed that game very well!

Controlled the clock and field position.

Seems like thats what the Ravens and Steelers do. Hmmm, weren't they in the AFC Championship game?



And let's not forget that they also climbed out of a 14-0 hole.

[benskins26]

One thing that hasn't been discussed- If Shanahan was to come to DC, he'd want nothing short of being GM, so wouldn't that mean Vinny would be gone? If so, I'm all for it just for that reason!

[Bizkiteer]

Where there is smoke, there is FIRE!

We learned this not too long ago with Fat Al and now...

[DCMONEY]

and Fletcher still didn't make the Pro-Bowl.:doh:


Some things never get corrected. Fletcher has gotten robbed a lot of years. :logo:

[benskins26]

Some things never get corrected. Fletcher has gotten robbed a lot of years. :logo:

It's effing ridiculous!

[MattFancy]

He's done all these honorable things or should I say expected yet on the field he has still been below average.

Skins Fan3 is right when saying the rookies played to campbell's level or higher. And the simple fact both ryan and flacco threw more tds then campbell fits perfectly with the consistency in him throwing for less yards then he needs for a first down. I don;t want to hear the BS about zorn giving him plays like those because he didnt think the oline could hold up, there was plenty of times when campbell had plenty of time and still dumped off or jumped the gun.

I figured the rookies would make the best comparison since they were coming into a whole new system with a new coach as well. Both Flacco and Ryan did just as much if not more than Campbell last year. Now Campbell has seen NFL game action for 2 1/2 seasons and he still hasn't had a game that makes you go wow, this guy is gonna be great.

In 36 starts, he has thrown for over 300 yards 4 times, 4 TIMES!! That's not very good at all. Matt Ryan has 2 300+ yard games in 16 starts and Jay Cutler did it 8 times last year including a 400 yard game. Campbell had 2 games last year where he threw for multiple TDs and he has 8 career games where he has thrown for multiple TDs in a game. Matt Ryan had 5 multiple TD games last year, 3 less than Campbell has in 20 more starts!! Cutler had 8 multi-td games just last year! Even Joe Flacco had 4 multi-td games last year.

What does that tell you about Campbell, he is a game manager! That's all he is, he's not going to be someone to win a game for you by throwing for 300+ yards and 3TDs. Cutler can do that, look at the game last year against the Chargers where he pretty much was the only reason that game was close. He threw for 350yds 4TDs and 1INT, have you ever seen Campbell do something like that? We need a play maker at QB, not a game manager.

[pogoism9]

come on, send em' JC and 13th pick. That way we could have the surreal reverse QB skins/broncos game at Fedex

[benskins26]

People need to wakeup.

We averaged only 20 ppg in the first 8 games - that would have been good for 24th (if I recall) in the NFL on the season. We did this with the best running game in the first half of the year.

You pwned that dude on PFT. Wade Phillips. nuff said.

[Vooskin]

I'm torn on getting Cutler or not. I think he could be a great QB in this league. I still think Campbell could be a solid QB, but I don't think he'll ever be great. I know that last year was Campbell's first year in a new offense, but it was Matt Ryan's and Joe Flacco's too, and both equal to if not better than Campbell last year. Matt Ryan had a passer rating of 87.7, Campbell's was 84.3, and Flacco's was 80.3. Cutler's by the way was 86.0

Ryan threw for 3440yds 16TDs 11INTs, Campbell 3245 13TDs 6INTs, Flacco 2971 14 12, and Cutler 4526 25 18. Yes Campbell had the least amount of INTs, but he also threw for less TDs than 2 rookies. Flacco was on a team that was run heavy and still had comparable numbers to Campbell.

I just think Campbell will be a middle of the road QB for his career. He won't make alot of mistakes to lose a game for you, but he won't make alot of plays to win a game for you either. I think Cutler could lose a game with some of his INTs, but he could also win a game with his arm. I'd rather have a QB that I believe could win a game on his own, then have one that is playing not to make mistakes. I like QBs that take chances down the field and Campbell just doesn't do that enough.

I'll take it a step further.

Campbell threw 506 passes last year for 13 touchdowns. Thats LOL material.

Campbell - 506 attempts 6.4yard average 13 tds 6 ints
Flacco - 428 attempts 6.9 average 14 tds 12 ints
Ryan - 434 attempts 7.9 average 16 tds 11 ints.

Campbell had more pass attempts almost 2 games more then the rookies yet had a lower average and less touchdowns... THEN ROOOOOOKIES.

In fact matt ryan threw for 200 more yards then campbell despite throwing 72 passes fewer and a 1% lower completion %. IMO given how often jason throws underneath its hard to even judge how good he is because we barely get to see him throw anywhere else.

I spent all past season defending campbell and even named my fantasy football team after him, well I'm done wasting my time. I'm not saying cutler is the answer but im sure as hell am convinced Campbell isnt. My friend a diehard steelers fan watches all the skin games and I watch all the steelers games. He made so many comments week in and week out laughing and saying wtf when it came to campbell always passing short. He thought it was rediculous and that with our defense if we started anyone even todd collins we would be a better team. He talked all season about how bad, very bad the steelers online was and that if Ben had our oline they would have went 16-0 given as how we think our oline is bad the steelers must have been terrible.

I watch the games with my father and every 10 mins my dad would start yelling saying WHAT ARE YOU DOING, what was the point of that referring to campbell passing short, week in and week out. He got mad quite a few times this past season, far worse then I had ever seen him even when gibbs was doing his terrible playcalling. Almost every negative thing he said was about campbell. A few times playcalling but more about campbell. From others around me who arent biased or fans of the skins they all seem to come to the same conclusion that campbell sucks. We'll I can't defend the BS anymore, he does suck. NO MORE EXCUSES too many god too many excuses I have made that I reasoned with myself as right.

That said I want campbell to start the year. To prove the believers wrong, and to get todd or colt in their asap just to end the campbell era. His quarterback play makes me need some campbell's soup when the game is over. Effing terrible and I'm tired of it.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

You pwned that dude on PFT. Wade Phillips. nuff said.

:rotflmao:

I hate that poster over there....

[moondog]

I'd be so pissed if this went down. I don't want him on this team. I'll hope for the best if it happens but at this point in time I'd rather stick with the guys already in our house and see how it turns out.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

So, I emailed Bus Cook through his website (or whoever gets the emails) saying I was Vinny Cerrato and to please send Cutler to D.C. :laugh:

[AKM311]

And let's not forget that they also climbed out of a 14-0 hole.

I think he was talking about the last game in which we won 10-3.

Could be wrong though.

[dexter's manley]

Whether we land Cutler or not, seems to me this flirtation proves that V&D now realize that Jason Campbell is NOT the QB of the future for this team - unless that future involves endless 6-10 seasons.

Maybe Brennan actually gets a shot at the job this preseason? Anyway, the failure to extend JC's deal and now all this pretty credible stuff about the Skins going after Cutler really indicates that the people up top have come to their senses and know that Campbell is not our QB for the long term - or at least they are hedging their bets now.

[heliKCx17]

Again...if we dont fix the ot...it won't matter if we get cutler...he cannot break tackles rom the rushers any better than campbell!!

[addicted]

If this is true CHAMPIONSHIP and I do mean that. Shanahan is a great coach, Cutler is a great QB. Together in Washingon with the current players and adding one or two more pieces to the puzzel would be absolutely amazing. My fingers are crossed this goes down, it would mark the absolute best offseason any team has ever had in FA peroid. Landing the very best Offensive and Defensive players in the same year and a Superbowl winning coach, holy freaking crap

[HA1LV1CT0RY]

From a Denver Post article?

It would be funny, but a little unprofessional. I don't see them joking on this.

This is what pisses me off. This **** is all too badly timed.

[Vooskin]

Campbell based on 506 passes attempted and 13 touchdowns threw a TD every 39 passes. Terrible.

If campbell averaged 30 passes a game for a season he would have had 480 pass attempts which means he averaged over 30 passes which I wouldnt call managing. If he would have averaged 1.5 Tds for every 30 passes a game he would have finished the season with 24 touchdowns.

Instead campbell averaged less then a td a game, a hair above .8 tds a game. Yah .813

My guess is Collins or even bennan could have done better then this with less attempts.


Its also worth noting his consistency as he has 35 touchdowns in 36 games for his career.
Cutler on the other hand has 54 touchdowns in 37 games for a 1.46 td per game average which IMO is about what you should be looking for. Of course you could name every single variable that comes into play but I wont since this isnt a single season thing, both players have showed it consistently over the past few years.

[Vicious]

you guys are kidding yourselves if you think a different QB is going to fix the problems we have at Oline.

[heliKCx17]

you guys are kidding yourselves if you think a different QB is going to fix the problems we have at Oline.


EXACTLY how do you people not see this?!?...look at the struggles even PEYTON MANNING has with a 'bad o-line'....well that 'bad oline' is BETTER than ours by FAR!

[Veretax]

JC for cutler, swap first round picks, and give them one of our third/4th rounders this year or next?

[Gibbsisgod2006]

How about JC and Betts and a conditional first round pick for Cutler?

[rd421]

OK where is LL56 on this one.... lets get the goods people

[TD_washingtonredskins]

you guys are kidding yourselves if you think a different QB is going to fix the problems we have at Oline.

Why should we only aim to fix one problem? Why can't we upgrade our QB and continue to work on fixing the OL with youth?

Cutler is better than Campbell. Period. Making a move at one position does not mean you are ignoring other positions of need.

[Vooskin]

If Campbell even had half the value of Cutler then these trades might be plausible But I doubt if we put campbell on the trade block teams would even offer us 3rd round picks. The broncos want to get rid of cutler but realize he has great potential, they have killed some of his traded value with stating they don't want him and all the bad coverage this has gotten. That said If campbell were in the trade it would be more of a side thing as I doubt they would plan to start him.

Swapping first round picks? They pick one pick ahead of us I think.

Guys those trade scenarios are really bad, were looking more at something like our 1st rounder this year, jason campbell and a 3rd rounder next year at cheapest. I highly doubt in fact I'm pretty positive the broncos nor any team would trade their franchise qb no matter what trouble they have with him for the 13th overall pick in the draft. Remember the 1st rounder and the 3rd rounder are the things of most value to the broncos, throwing in campbell is just adding a body and would please both sides as the skins wouldnt want to have to deal with him being there and the broncos wouldn't want the fan base to see them come away without a qb. That said campbell probably would play backup or eventually be cut and the broncos would either trade up and draft stafford unless he falls or stay put and maybe be able to get sanchez.

McDaniels has made it very clear he wants a Qb of his picking to run his offense and I'm pretty sure there isnt a coach in the league that would make JC that pick.

There is also a high probability that the broncos may want another position then campbell. Remember any trade involving campbell really has nothing to do with campbell, he would be shipped out of town almost for free.

I think if the talks about Chris cooley were true the trade would go something like this.
Jay Cutler and Tony Scheffler for the redskins 1st round pick Chris Cooley Jason campbell with possible later round swaps

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Not gonna happen. So why are fans here so delusional into thinking we have a chance to get the prima donna.

Because we have a chance to get him.

[GIBBS LIVES]

Those are inflated stats, man, the broncos have been a heavy passing team since Terrell Davis left. They throw the ball 40+ times a game compared to the skins...there is more value in plugging a big hole at #13 in the draft than getting a QB who IS better...but not lightyears better, and then leaving all of those holes open....Cutler is not any better at breaking tackles from unblocked DEs/OLBs.

I hear what your saying. But there are only, maybe, 5 better QB's in the league then Cutler. Just 5!!

If you have the chance, you have to secure the franchise QB. You just do. With the season being uncapped after this year, Salary won't be an issue and then stupid Vinny will be forced to draft lineman to protect Cutler. He'll have no choice but to address the lines after the fact.

[addicted]

Who the hell cares about the problems at Oline when you have a scrambling QB? Jason isn't a scrambling QB and makes our line look worse then it is with his slow reads, flat feet, and slower delivery. We have improved our Oline this year already and Pete Kendall's likely coming back to a Vet minimum deal so our depth is better then it was last year. We have addressed this position. I do agree it needs more TLC, don't post like we've done nothing with it yet.

Anyway I'm day dreaming and here's how I think it can get done...

Redskins send the Broncos:

Its first round draft pick #13 in 2009
Its second round draft pick in 2010
Jason Campbell

The Redskins receive Jay Cutler

From a financial standpoint this is completely doable. First Jason Campbell is due $2.858 million this year on the cap. We would have to absorb that amount to release him. Jay Cutler's cap number this season is a little over a million. Together these two players are due about 4 million in money this year. Last year the 13th pick was Johnathan Stewart and cost the Panthers 14 million to sign, 9.9 million was to be paid in the last 4 years of the 5 year deal, meaning he cost the Panthers around 2-5 million last year depending on how they prorated that deal. We are looking at an unknown rookie that will cost us as much with that pick as trading Cutler for Campbell. From a money standpoint that's a deal we can pull off. I hate to throw in the second next year but some teams going to offer them two firsts for sure so we really don't have a choice

[General NSJ]

A lot of people are sour on Cutler due to his childish handling of this situation. I do agree that he should have been a lot more professional in his approach for a trade, but I'd be a bit salty if I came off the best year of my career and then the new boss wants to ship me out of town for his old buddy. Just sayin.

[Burgundy Burner]

I really don't think the Redskins have the ammo to pull this off. If it does happen, mcdaniels wants Brennan. Colt will be a part of any deal.

[Skinsfor4]

I really don't think the Redskins have the ammo to pull this off. If it does happen, mcdaniels wants Brennan. Colt will be a part of any deal.

If McDaniels wants Brennan shouldnt that tell the FO here something.;)

[That Redskins Fan]

I really do not understand how anyone on here wants cutler

senstive cause he was lied to, has major immaturity issues he text message his employers when they call him and leaves messages..that is so bloody high schoolish and crybabyish it is not funny. And i will say this in his defense the blame goes all round in this with jeff george jr, Mcdaniels and boweln that no one was a adult and stood up and said enough is enough lets sit down and talk and if it works great if not lets go our seperate ways.

I really want to the leader of my team the man with the C to be immature, senstive, egotiscal, whiny, take his ball home and run and my new favorite Insubordination

if portis was doing this everyone on here would want him gone and i would as well, But a so-called "captain" a elite level qb gets a pass. ..smh

[iwasdoinit]

Brennan looked great last year in preseason. I would hate to lose him. And no team in the league overpays like the Skins. They would probably throw picks in as well. But let's face facts, the Steelers and Ravens totally dominated this team by being more physical, so we need to solidify those areas.

[wvtbred]

Brennan looked great last year in preseason. I would hate to lose him. And no team in the league overpays like the Skins. They would probably throw picks in as well. But let's face facts, the Steelers and Ravens totally dominated this team by being more physical, so we need to solidify those areas.

Me too but what if the Skins offer Campbell, Colt and the #13. That way Denver has two QB's to work with.

[green4life]

guys, i got a text from washpost saying we got cutler for campbell. did any one else get the text alert and if so how true or false is it?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

if portis was doing this everyone on here would want him gone and i would as well, But a so-called "captain" a elite level qb gets a pass. ..smh


Portis DID do this type of stuff (and worse) and people still drool all over him and his lack of long runs...

[addicted]

guys, i got a text from washpost saying we got cutler for campbell. did any one else get the text alert and if so how true or false is it?

Weird, I got one from the Washinton Post saying we gave up Ethan Albright and a 7th and got Cutler.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

guys, i got a text from washpost saying we got cutler for campbell. did any one else get the text alert and if so how true or false is it?

Son of a *****....I actually checked my phone :laugh:

:chair:

[McD5]

Pull the trigger Dan.

Make up for that 2nd round nightmare last year.

[darklight1216]

Brennan looked great last year in preseason. I would hate to lose him. And no team in the league overpays like the Skins. They would probably throw picks in as well. But let's face facts, the Steelers and Ravens totally dominated this team by being more physical, so we need to solidify those areas.
Lol the Steelers and the Ravens dominated almost everyone this year.

[addicted]

Pull the trigger Dan.

Make up for that 2nd round nightmare last year.

No kidding right? This is the kind of player you gladly give up draft picks for

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

No kidding right? This is the kind of player you gladly give up draft picks for

Amen!

:point2sky

[wvtbred]

No kidding right? This is the kind of player you gladly give up draft picks for

Ditto whatever it takes!

[PROSCOUT]

Honestly I have no idea how the Redskins would even be players in this deal.

The Bears, Vikings, and Jets should be the only teams in these talks. For the Jets this would be the 2nd coming of Joe Namath and give the Jets an opportunity to build a team around a QB instead of around a coaching philosophy.

For the Bears, here is a team that always thinks defense first but has never had a QB. They could give up a first AND a 2nd and still come out ahead.

Last season the Vikings would have gone to the Superbowl is only they had a pro bowl QB. Here is one being dangled in front of them and they aren't really interested?

Superbowl recipe: Vikings trade for Cutler and sign Tory Holt. Hurts their future but they become Big Time Superbowl contenders. However, they are a mixed up franchise, and it will never happen.

[Omega4ce]

From a Denver Post article?

It would be funny, but a little unprofessional. I don't see them joking on this.

I dont know how it is over there, but here in Germany even a few of the most respected television stations, radio stations and newspapers are running wild with April Fools jokes. And of course they always come up with things that sound credible. I would be surprised if this isnt an April Fools joke and it most likely was born when somebody from the Denver Post was browsing the Extremeskins board the last few weeks.

[addicted]

Honestly I have no idea how the Redskins would even be players in this deal.

The Bears, Vikings, and Jets should be the only teams in these talks. For the Jets this would be the 2nd coming of Joe Namath and give the Jets an opportunity to build a team around a QB instead of around a coaching philosophy.

For the Bears, here is a team that always thinks defense first but has never had a QB. They could give up a first AND a 2nd and still come out ahead.

Last season the Vikings would have gone to the Superbowl is only they had a pro bowl QB. Here is one being dangled in front of them and they aren't really interested?

Superbowl recipe: Vikings trade for Cutler and sign Tory Holt. Hurts their future but they become Big Time Superbowl contenders. However, they are a mixed up franchise, and it will never happen.

Because the Broncos are going to need a QB to replace Cutler. If all it takes is a first and second to get it done we can do that too (see my previous post) and give them a young QB with similar numbers minus the ones that actually make you elite in this league. Who are the Jets going to offer them QB wise and where are the JETS picking this year? No one. What about the Bears or Vikings? Look I see Jason Campbell as middle of road QB wise ranked somewhere between 14 and 18 in the league but I see Travarious Jackson, Rex Grossman, and Sage Rosenfells much lower then that. Jason Campbell is better then those guys. The reason we are in these discussions is we offer them a QB that's better then what any of the other teams have PLUS two solid draft picks which is likely going to seal the deal, one this year for cap reasons, one next year for market value.

The only ammunition these three teams you mention have against us is higher draft picks or other players but like the Patriots know too well, the higher the draft pick and round selection the more you have to pay these totally unknown guys. The reason the Pats gave up Cassel for a second is the money they have to pay the player for a higher pick. If Chicago wanted to offer then Grossman and two number ones for Cutler Denver has a problem, those two number one picks might be nice to have but you have to take a player and add his huge salary that you don't know is any good.

Of course any team could offer another player who plays at a different position but then what is Denver going to do at QB? Since we have the best QB availible out of the teams interested in Cutler of course we are in this discussion and with the draft right around the corner we are in a better draft position then all of these teams you mentioned. Denver does pick before us so they could have picks 12 and 13, our second rounder next year, and Jason Campbell to tutor the rookie they take with our number one pick. Great trade for both clubs

[benskins26]

Bob Glauber just said on First Take that we are one of the 4 favorites.

[SkinzFan007]

http://www.denverexaminer.problitz.com/sports/broncos/20090401-Cutler-Trade.html

Cutler to San Fran?

[Rocky52Mc]

From a Denver Post article?

It would be funny, but a little unprofessional. I don't see them joking on this.

Well..that kind of makes it more believable to be an April fools joke... It's from the hometown newspaper, and the Redskins are the perfect team to target. I disagree though, I think Campbell will come out the true professional here just like he always has been and rally this team into truly seeing him as the QB for this franchise for years to come.

What's done is done.

[Veretax]

I hear what your saying. But there are only, maybe, 5 better QB's in the league then Cutler. Just 5!!

If you have the chance, you have to secure the franchise QB. You just do. With the season being uncapped after this year, Salary won't be an issue and then stupid Vinny will be forced to draft lineman to protect Cutler. He'll have no choice but to address the lines after the fact.

I think this is close to the truth, with Favre now retired my top 5 would likely be:

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Drew Breez
Phillip Rivers
Toss up between Aaron Rodgers/Eli Manning




If McDaniels wants Brennan shouldnt that tell the FO here something.;)

If we get Cutler, I don't see a reason to keep Brennan, if Denver wants him and we get Cutler, trade JC to detroit for a 2nd or 3rd Round pick.

[apickmans]

whens the next red zone show with Vinny? Hopefully someone will ask him about the rumors that keep swirling around having to do with us pursuing Cutler.

[Lavarleap56]

id rather have a coach that has a few championships under his belt than one who thinks his nfc championship ring is a accomplishment. just my 2 cents though

[MattFancy]

id rather have a coach that has a few championships under his belt than one who thinks his nfc championship ring is a accomplishment. just my 2 cents though

shanahan over fassel?

[ibrahim]

I think this is close to the truth, with Favre now retired my top 5 would likely be:

Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Drew Breez
Phillip Rivers
Toss up between Aaron Rodgers/Eli Manning





If we get Cutler, I don't see a reason to keep Brennan, if Denver wants him and we get Cutler, trade JC to detroit for a 2nd or 3rd Round pick.


Aaron Rodgers over Cutler?

[That Redskins Fan]

[quote=SkinzFan007;6272728]http://www.denverexaminer.problitz.com/sports/broncos/20090401-Cutler-Trade.html

april fools

[ConnSKINS26]

DAMN san fran is agresive as hell with that deal

That is an April Fool's joke, read the "around the NFL" part right after it.

[cmman848]

Firing Zorn for Shanahan would be the worst move this team could possibly make end of story.
I dont know if the WORST move but i def. agree that it would be a mistake. We need to give zorn this year and unless he is an abismal 5-11 or 6-10 a 3rd year.

[cphil006]

PFT is a year-round April Fool's Joke

[rd421]

PFT is a year-round April Fool's Joke
+ infinity....they are not the most credible source around....

[Veretax]

Aaron Rodgers over Cutler?


Aaron Rodgers showed a lot more potential and crispness last year than Cutler has shown, but admittedly, He Eli and Cutler are VERY VERY close together in my mind, It wouldn't take much for cutler to be #4

[Mister Happy]

Which is why PFT included a link to the Denver Post in their article....


Or, in other words:

Click one of the leading candidates to land Cutler (http://www.denverpost.com/ci_12040620)

:D

Have you ever played telephone?

Why link to a site that links to an article, when you can link directly to the article?

Nobody wants PFT's sloppy seconds.