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AJWatson3
June-16th-2003, 11:42 AM
Which move do you think the SPURS should make? I have been in favor of the second scenario, but Kidd is incredible and if they could also add Malone..... nasty! A lot more fun than talking about the Bullets. I really like the Olowokandi and Maggette move also... as long as they stay strong in the middle.




From ESPN Insider:

What's next for the Spurs, Nets?
By Chad Ford
NBA Insider
Send an Email to Chad Ford Monday, June 16
Updated: June 16
10:22 AM ET


For those of you who are just relieved that this year's NBA champions aren't wearing purple and gold, I have some good news and some bad news for you.


The good news? Get used to it. The Lakers no longer have the ring, the best player on the planet or a monopoly on all of that "peat" crap. Tim Duncan's dominating performance in the playoffs, capped by a near quadruple-double in Game 6, means that the Spurs are going to keep rolling as long as Duncan does.

The bad news? With a little over $14 million to play with in cap room this summer, the Spurs haven't even begun to play their best basketball. How often can you say that about a newly crowned champion?

The Spurs are straddling the best of both worlds right now. They're winning it all with a group of relatively young, inexperienced players. They'll lose only one major contributor, David Robinson, from this year's title run. Tony Parker, Emanuel Ginobili, Malik Rose and Bruce Bowen will all be back next year. And they have the cash to make a major, major splash in the free-agent market this summer.

How big? Consider this. Only three other teams -- the Jazz, Nuggets and Clippers -- are looking at max cap room this summer. If you're a top free agent, where would you like to play next year?

Utah is a pretty good destination, but chances are the Jazz will use the majority of their money on Clippers free agent Andre Miller. The Nuggets have a bright future, but they're still years away from being a championship contender. The Clippers? Please.

That means that nothing really happens this summer with anyone else until the Spurs leave the bar with whoever they want. One girl, two girls? Just depends on what turns you on . . .

Scenario 1: Sign Jason Kidd
The pros: Tony Parker still has a bright, bright future, but his inexperience was pretty glaring, especially in Game 6. Kidd is the best point guard on the planet. If the Spurs sign him, use Parker as trade bait (his value is still very high), re-sign Stephen Jackson and bring in another top-flight free agent (Karl Malone, Juwan Howard or P.J. Brown would work) with the mid-level exception, the Spurs can start printing the repeat shirts.
The cons: Parker struggled at times, but considering he just turned 21 years old, why bail on him now? The Spurs still won the title, despite Parker's inconsistent play. Bring in a veteran to back him up and use the money to replace the Admiral.

Scenario 2: Sign Jermaine O'Neal
The pros: The Spurs need another athletic presence in the paint now that Robinson is retiring. O'Neal is the best on the market. He's young, blocks shots, can play the four and the five and would give the Spurs the best front line in the NBA.
The cons: It won't be easy luring O'Neal away from Indiana. He likes it there and has become the man in Indiana. Would he be willing to play second fiddle in San Antonio to Duncan? Is he really ready to go head-to-head with the likes of Kevin Garnett, Chris Webber, Rasheed Wallace, Amare Stoudemire and Karl Malone every night?

Scenario 3 : Sign Elton Brand
The pros: Brand fits the Spurs' profile. He's consistent, one of the nicest guys in the NBA, a blue collar worker in the paint and is willing to put his ego aside to win a championship. While he doesn't quite have the upside of O'Neal, a Brand and Duncan front line would still give the Spurs the best in the league.
The cons: Brand is a restricted free-agent. If the Clips decided to match (they have to pay somebody to make the minimum payroll in the league next year) the Spurs could end up well behind the curve. As solid as Brand is, would the Spurs be better off splitting the money between two free agents?

Scenario 4: Sign Michael Olowokandi and Corey Maggette
The pros: Duncan is the man. Parker has the makings of a worthy side kick. Why not bring in a couple of complementary players to boost the depth of the team? Olowokandi is no David Robinson, but he can be a physical presence in the paint. The Spurs don't need him to average 20 and 10 a night. Twelve and eight would do just fine. As for Maggette, he's on the verge of blowing up. The Spurs could really use another great athlete who can do it all on both ends of the court.
The cons: Maggette is a restricted free agent and the Clips could match a deal. The Nuggets could try to lure away Olowokandi and Maggette by offering them more money. Adding two big-time players to the mix could affect the team's chemistry.

Scenario 5: Sign Gilbert Arenas and Brad Miller
The pros: Arenas' ability to play the one and two would be a perfect complement to the Spurs' current backcourt of Parker and Emanuel Ginobili. He's a big-time scorer who can find the open man -- that's a great fit if you think about it. With the rest of their money, the Spurs may be better off going after a more dependable center. Miller is tough, can score in the paint and would thrive if Duncan was by his side in the post.
The cons: Would the addition of Arenas stunt Parker's and Ginobili's growth? Will agent Dan Fegan price Arenas out of the Spurs' price range? Will Miller be able to keep up his production against the stiffer competition in the West?

There are obviously more scenarios out there. The Spurs could decide to go the trade route, and attempt to pry away Jerry Stackhouse from Washington or Shareef Abdur-Rahim from Atlanta. Their ability to take on salary without having to give anything back in return could make them major players in the trade market.

Or they could decide to keep things leaner and add a few veteran players like Karl Malone, P.J. Brown, Gary Payton or Alonzo Mourning to smaller, short-term deals. Keeping away from long-term commitments would give the Spurs a lot more flexibility in the summer of 2004 when several potential major free agents like Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett and Tracy McGrady hit the free-agent market.

Any way you slice it, it looks like San Antonio will be a spur in the side of everyone in the NBA for years to come.

bulldog
June-16th-2003, 11:56 AM
O'Neal is the best option. He not only would be a good fit but also hasn't leveled out, he still has some upside to his game.

I think the Lakers are going to improve by bringing in an established PF and a backcourt player as well. With a healthy and in shape Shaq, the West is going to be even more competitive in 2004.

The Spurs need to keep the Parker/Duncan pairing intact. All the talk about Jason Kidd ignores what the Spurs already accomplished and how young these players still are.

jbooma
June-16th-2003, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by bulldog
O'Neal is the best option. He not only would be a good fit but also hasn't leveled out, he still has some upside to his game.

I think the Lakers are going to improve by bringing in an established PF and a backcourt player as well. With a healthy and in shape Shaq, the West is going to be even more competitive in 2004.


Oneal and Duncan spell RINGSOFMANY :)

Lakers have no room under the cap, unless Shaq or Kobe gives back. The owner will not pay the luxury tax so all they will have is the veteran exception, which won't be enough to save that team.

big z
June-16th-2003, 04:15 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/multimedia/slideshows/SHOW_063/1.jpg


If there was a way to get Brand and Magette....but alas,
both restricted.

Oneal is the best option out there, otherwise, it's best to go cheap, get mourning for a year, and a shooter, and see what's avail next year.

Gamebreaker
June-17th-2003, 02:12 AM
I think getting O'Neal is a pipedream. The possibility is there, IF he wants to play second fiddle to Duncan. That article makes a very good point that O'Neal really likes it in Indiana. He's the man there, and might want to stay there and lead the Pacers to a title instead of riding Duncan to get one.

I think Brand may be a better option. The Clippers likely won't try to match the offer anyway, considering their history in dealing with free agents. He may not have the upside of O'Neal, but he's a consistent PF that will play better than Robinson did and still upgrade the front court. They may lose some versatility with this move, but Brand also will come cheaper than O'Neal and they may still have enough available cap room to sign another contributor in '04.

AJWatson3
June-17th-2003, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Gamebreaker
He's the man there, and might want to stay there and lead the Pacers to a title instead of riding Duncan to get one.

If O'Neal is more interested in being the man than winning I wouldn't want him on my team anyways... winning is the true measure of greatness, not PPG, REB, $alary, etc...

And IND would have to add a lot of talent to compete with the likes of SA, LA, SAC, DAL, MIN and countless other teams from the West, not to mention, DET and NJ... if he thinks that he can lead that team to a championship with who they have now he is mistaken.

TC4
June-17th-2003, 05:42 PM
What the Spurs REALLY need to do is to get a short term fix for 2003-04, then wait for Kevin Garnet of the Timberwolves to become a FA in 2004, and add him.

With Garnet, Duncan, and up and coming guard Tony Parker, the Spurs would be unstoppable, even for the likes of the Lakers with Kobe Bryant and "Fat Daddy" O'Neal.

Gamebreaker
June-17th-2003, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by TC4
With Garnet, Duncan, and up and coming guard Tony Parker, the Spurs would be unstoppable, even for the likes of the Lakers with Kobe Bryant and "Fat Daddy" O'Neal.

That team would be unstoppable. For the sake of the rest of the league, I hope it doesn't happen.

By the way, didn't Kobe already say he was opting for free agency after next season?

bulldog
June-18th-2003, 08:41 AM
Kobe has a well developed sense of self-itis. He wants to test free agency not for the money but for the chance to go elsewhere (or have O'Neal leave LA) and win on HIS terms.

In retrospect you can say it is surprising that one of the two stars didn't seek a trade or change of venue before this.

Three championships in a row lessens the recognition and appreciation of how hard it is to climb the mountain.

What made the 1960's Celtics, 1980's Lakers and 1990's Bulls special was that they were able to keep their core in place for a long run.

The egos and economics of the market place now make that hard to duplicate.

I think the Suns have the potential to put together a good run.

Robinson retiring is actually a net positive because of the added flexiblity it gives SA to improve the roster with younger talent.

Duncan is a much harder working player than Shaq has been the past year or two. And for the Lakers to rise back to the top in 2003-2004, Shaq is going to have to be in the shape he was in in 2000-2001, when he shed 40 pounds and was quick on his feet and close to unstoppable.

That, a healthy Kobe and the addition of a power forward who can present a third option. And a backcourt defender might be nice as well.

Quite a long shopping list for Mr. Kupchak :)

But, hey, I'll take the 3 titles in a row and put them in my pocket and wish the Spurs and the other Western Conference teams luck in making their own mark :D

Golgo-13
June-18th-2003, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by AJWatson3
Scenario 2: Sign Jermaine O'Neal
The pros: The Spurs need another athletic presence in the paint now that Robinson is retiring. O'Neal is the best on the market. He's young, blocks shots, can play the four and the five and would give the Spurs the best front line in the NBA.


Ok....Tim Duncan and my dead grandmother would give the Spurs the best front line in the NBA.

I think J. O'Neal would be the good fantasy choice, but for some reason I think they would do better with Elton Brand. I could see O'Neal having issues with ego down there, etc. But I could see Elton Brand just shutting his trap and not having a problem with playing second fiddle to Tim Duncan. He also seems more to fit the "Spurs" mold of player. They seem to like level-headed hard working guys down there who just shut up and get the job done. Not to hate on Jermaine O'Neal at all, because I think he's a hell of a player, but I just think Brand would fit better. Plus, he would come a lot cheaper than O'Neal would. San Antonio just doesn't seem like the kind of organization that would put up with a "I don't want to be second fiddle" kind of player.

NavyDave
June-18th-2003, 11:35 AM
Does it matter?

The Admiral that just help win this title wasnt the double double guy of old so any of these power forwards should at the lest match his output.

O'Neal is the one guy I dont see leaving but just using leverage to get the max.

Spurs could get a nice guy at mid exception named PJ Brown save money for next year and bring K Garnett here.

Nets are rumored on WTEM to be willing to doa sign and trade involving apparently the Sacramento Kings point guard and Tuculo(sp)

AJWatson3
June-18th-2003, 01:41 PM
if the spurs tried to sign garnett they would have the highest payroll in the nba... that is if they give him the market rate. right now he is scheduled to make $28million next season... and I don't see him getting any worse. probably what Duncan should also earn (Shaq money sound fair?)... contract up soon...
how can they afford to sign both? that would be nearly $60 million tied up in two players... and the cap was at $40.3 million last year.... the remaining players on the Spurs make $29million (I already took out DRobinson's $10mil), so that would put them $30 million over the cap, and another $30million owed to the league... NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

and in looking at some of these NBA contracts, it is no wonder so many teams lose money... they pay some bums a lot of dough!!!
http://jazzhoops.net/salary.htm
1. Vin Baker- $12mil
2. Scottie Pippen- $20mil
3. Juwan Howard- $20mil
4. Alonzo Mourning- $20mil (actually MIA's whole payroll is overpaid, just like the Knicks)
just to name a few... that's disgusting!!

bulldog
June-18th-2003, 03:36 PM
SA won't go after Garnett.

The Spurs are a team that won with Duncan and chemistry.

This is not a team of big egos. To bring in a Kidd or Garnett may not result in the awesome 65 win team that some believe, at least not if they don't mesh with the big man :)

this is Duncan's team, I think the other players they will add will be quality performers but clearly not in his class as the franchise player.

what's funny is the team left out in the cold is the Kings.

The Kings watched as the Lakers beat them 3 times and won 3 championships, and in 2002 they finally put together a team to beat LA, and now LA may no longer be the team to be gunning for, at least until they rebuild their bench and assure us that Shaq is again serious about competing.

Chris Webber always seems to finish a bit short of the promised land, doesn't he?

NavyDave
June-19th-2003, 09:28 AM
Garnett wont get 28 million per when he becomes a free agent because his contract was signed prior to the NBA CBA which puts a limit on the max received now and SA can pa KG the max allowable after 2k4 if they only go for mid level types this year.

But I think a PJ brown type would be a nice move since the kid has good size brand is what 6'9 at the most but the kid basically averages a double double but I dont know about his shot blocking ability.

O'neal moving west to the spurs kills the pacers