Bleacher Report: Washington Redskins Need To Cut Out the Cutler Talks (M.E.T.)

[blkqb17]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/149133-the-washington-redskins-need-to-cut-out-the-cutler-talks

A very good Article.

Washington Redskins Need To Cut Out the Cutler Talks

As anyone who's paid any attention to sports news today well knows, the Broncos have shifted into full "trade Jay Cutler" mode. The disgruntled quarterback and team management have apparently come to a stalemate, and it's clear now that No. 6 will not be wearing a Broncos jersey next season.
A number of sources have linked the Washington Redskins as a potential suitor for Cutler, and at first glance, such a move makes sense for the 'Skins.
Washington finished 8-8 last year, and one of the biggest weaknesses over their 2-6 second half of the season was the offense and quarterback play. Jason Campbell only had four TD passes and never threw for more than 232 yards in those last eight games of the season.
Cutler is coming off of a Pro-Bowl and 4,500-yard season. In games in which the Broncos defense has given up 21 points or less, Cutler is 13-1 in his career (with the sole loss coming in an overtime matchup with Brett Favre and his Packers).

But as one continues to examine the situation, it becomes clear that Cutler is not the answer for this Redskins team.
It would be hard to argue that Cutler doesn't offer a noticeable upgrade to Campbell, but the cost and risk far outweigh the likely reward of a trade for him.
Jason Campbell had a QB rating of 84.3 last season. Cutler's was only a slighly higher 86.
Jay may have put up huge numbers, but that's because he's a "gunslinger" and takes far more risks than Campbell. That mentality resulted in 18 interceptions, three times the amount that Jason threw (six).

Campbell had three games in which he threw more interceptions than touchdowns, while Cutler had six.

And besides that, there's no indication that Cutler would duplicate those numbers that were good if he were to move to the nation's capital. While both teams ran West Coast-based offenses, the two teams have very significant differences.
Denver's offensive line only allowed 11 sacks last season. But in 2007, when the Broncos line gave up 27 sacks, Cutler threw for 1,000 fewer yards and coughed up the ball 11 times, seven more times than he did in 2008.
The Redskins line is closer to that 2007 Broncos line than it is to the 2008 one in terms of performance. Campbell has been sacked 66 times in his career with the Redskins and met turf 38 times last year.
Campbell has already improved his fumble issues dramatically (only six on those 38 sacks). On the other hand, Cutler would likely cough it up just as often, and even if he didn't, it's unlikely he would be as productive without the same level of protection.

Additionally, Cutler had more and better targets to throw to in Denver than he would in DC.
No offense to the very skilled Santana Moss, but he's no Brandon Marshall. One could even argue that Denver's No. 2, Eddie Royal, is equal to Moss.
And beyond those two Broncos mentioned, Cutler also had Tony Sheffler and Brandon Stokely.
Besides Moss, the Redskins have no other legitimate recieving options aside of tight end Chris Cooley; Antwaan Randle-El has struggled since joining the team. The two highly touted rookies, Devin Thomas and Malcom Kelly, combined for only eighteen catches (and what feels like twice as many dropped passes) last season.

Then, there's the question of attitude. Why would Washington want a player who just whined his way out of an unfavorable situation?
The quarterback is the leader of the team; he can't have attitude issues. He needs to deal with adversity and lead the team through it.
I think we just saw how Cutler deals with adversity: He doesn't. He shuts down and plays the crybaby.

But above all, the Redskins should be wary of the price tag associated with Cutler. It would take not only Jason Campbell but also likely a first-round pick (and possibly one more low-round pick as well). Considering the Redskins are already short second-, fourth-, and seventh-round selections this year (and a fifth rounder next year), more picks are an exceptionally large thing to ask.
Those picks could be used to start rebuilding the offensive line or fill other need areas.
The other possibility would be moving Chris Cooley and a lower-round pick (though it would probably still be at least this year's third rounder or next year's second).
While Fred Davis, Cooley's backup, is talented, there's not a real indication that's he's ready to start for the 'Skins yet.
And who really wants to see Chris in a different uniform, anyway?
Bottom line: Cutler is not worth what the Redskins would have to give up to acquire him

[Soup]

I don't agree with the article. The redskins had a better running game and the redskins also have Cooley a huge upgrade from what denver had. Though I can see why people would say the redskins WRs are not a top set of wideouts they are not a bad group of players to say that Cutler will not benefit from having Moss, El, Thomas and Kelly.

I don't like articles from the bleacher Report, they seem like high school english assignments.

[ExoDus84]

One man's opinion. Nothing said in that article that hasnt been said elsewhere. What the article leaves out is that cutler is better suited for zorns WCO than campbell is. Much better suited. To suggest Cutler wouldnt at least equal, if not significantly improve upon, campbell's 08 stats is ridiculous. After that 6-2 start, campbell was incredibly mediocre in every way. I have doubts that cutler could do worse.

[JRay757]

yeah campbell hasnt had a fare chance in the system yet, or any system for that matter.....I think that he deserves this year......If he doesnt make a significant step forward this year, then yeah we should look to move on.......However with other glaring holes on our team, we should be focusing on improving other aspects of our team........Cutler is a good QB and might end up being a hall of fame QB........But then again, Campbell might be that way too.........we'll never know until we give him a shot in a system for more then one year, Cutler wasnt exactly the cats meow his first 2 years in his sytem.......Let's give Campbell one more year to prove himself and focus on making our Offensive Line, Defensive Line, and OLBs better...........but then again we're the Redskins, and it wouldnt be an offseason without us being in the headlines non-stop.......

Man with the Redskins you NEVER know what the hell your going to wake up too each and every morning.......If we get Cutler im not quite sure how I'll feel......In some ways id be happy, because we would have acquired a very good, young QB........But in other ways id be kinda upset because I unlike most people feel like Campbell is going to be a good NFL QB and id also be upset because we wouldnt have a first round pick to fix the holes our team has staring them right in the eye.......

I guess we'll all just have to wait and see......maybe if we trade for Cutler and bring back Marcus Washington and maybe Pete Kendell then I won't feel so bad about it..........

[darkhorse472]

This is bad karma all the way...

If we get Cutler, it's another example of not holding on to your own, a common critique of the Redskins. Why should players be loyal if the FO is not? You get fewer players that want to take a little less to stay in DC so we end up with a non-cohesive mess every year.

If we don't get Cutler now, we lose Jason Campbell next year. This is the Denver situation except its coming to DC!! Why should Campbell want to play here next year? He busts his butt every year under a different offense. The FO basically screws him up and then wants to bring in another QB?! It'll take a very strong person to NOT leave when you know you're not really wanted.

well as long as we pay for Redskins games and gear...I guess we asked for it.

[thedevilhimself]

The thing is UNTIL Cutler gets traded this will be everywhere . Not one source has been able to pin any interest on the skins . This is all unnamed sources even ESPN, the WP who keep running this story have not been able to get any solid info . The only thing they are going off is "It is something Dan Snyder would do".

Its also in the Broncos interest to keep the Skins in the loop . We have a legitimate starting young QB and the 13th overall pick and a history of over paying . That is an awful lot of firepower and a good way to get the bidding war going amongst those other 13 teams who may be intersted .

People always say Snyder gets his man, but we went through all this with Lance Briggs and then Dre Bly and then Chad Johnson ...untill something solid comes out I think people should just stop

[FrFan]

Zorn, Cerrato, Snyder Spent Huddled All Day In Snyder’s Office (http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/)

Posted by Mike Florio on April 1, 2009, 10:37 p.m.
"We’re told via a short chain of reliable sources that things were interesting this morning in Washington.
As we hear it, Redskins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato was retrieved from draft meetings at roughly 10:00 a.m. on Wednesday to go to owner Daniel Snyder’s office. Not long thereafter, they fetched coach Jim Zorn.
And the three men remained in Snyder’s office into the evening.
The obvious implication? They’re working on this whole Jay Cutler thing.
Or maybe they were playing Call of Duty."

It seems that the trading talks are getting more and more serious.

[maskedsuperstar]

This is bad karma all the way...

If we get Cutler, it's another example of not holding on to your own, a common critique of the Redskins. Why should players be loyal if the FO is not? You get fewer players that want to take a little less to stay in DC so we end up with a non-cohesive mess every year.

If we don't get Cutler now, we lose Jason Campbell next year. This is the Denver situation except its coming to DC!! Why should Campbell want to play here next year? He busts his butt every year under a different offense. The FO basically screws him up and then wants to bring in another QB?! It'll take a very strong person to NOT leave when you know you're not really wanted.

well as long as we pay for Redskins games and gear...I guess we asked for it.

Maybe the FO knows something we don't about Campbell. If Campbell was in the Skins plans for the future, the Skins would have signed Campbell to an extension by now. There is a reason why Campbell hasn't been extended. You have to remember the coaches see everything we don't.

[Andre3stacks]

THis is how I exactly feel. You do not need a franchise QB to win a SB. Skins just keep ****in up. I respect Snyders passion and want to win but some1 needs to tell him this isn't Madden 2010. Cutler isn't consistent. There is a reason they went to 8-8. Just like us after a great start.

[SD Skins fan]

I don't want this guy. He's not Tom Brady.. He's not Peyton Manning.... He's not even Matt Ryan. Someone please tell the front office to forget about this guy and the problems he will bring. We need to build our O line through the draft so we have something to work with for the next 10 years. Not some flash in the pan, Jeff George clone that will never be a winner.

[HapHaszard]

Here is another good article on Cutler:

WT - Dan Daly: Cutler's story first written by George
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/02/cutlers-story-first-written-by-george/

a young quarterback with a million-dollar arm and a two-cent head, a high-maintenance type destined to break your heart... and break the bank along with it.

Consider: When the Colts traded George, a former first overall pick in the draft, to Atlanta in 1994, he was 26, the same age Cutler will be in a few weeks. He had also exhibited, while in Indianapolis, much of the me-me-me attitude Cutler has shown in Denver. But the foolish Falcons were still willing to give up two No. 1s and a No. 3 for him, convinced the kid's talent would eventually trump all.

George was last seen in Atlanta jawing on the sideline with coach June Jones - as another Falcons season spiraled out of control. From there it was on to Oakland, Minnesota, Washington, Seattle, Chicago, the Raiders again... and an endless series of what-might-have-been stories in the local papers.

Here's hoping Dan Snyder and the rest of the Redskins brain trust remember their regrettable infatuation with George a decade ago and just say no to Cutler, no matter how appealing he might be. But that's the thing about talent; it can blind you to a player's faults, to the risks he poses. And let's not forget, a quarterback isn't just any old player. He's the Voice in the Huddle, if not the Face of the Franchise. You make a mistake at that position, you pay for it for years.

Fortunately, the Redskins might not be able to put together the package required to win the Cutler Sweepstakes. For starters, their first-round pick is only the 13th; other teams (Lions, Browns, 49ers), teams hungrier for a quarterback, have higher selections they could dangle. There's also the issue of cap space, though Snyder always seems able to create more - no matter what the cost.

click for the rest

[warriorz]

It's sad that our reputation of jumping on big name players and overpaying them brings the Redskins into talk about every free agent that comes out.

[maskedsuperstar]

THis is how I exactly feel. You do not need a franchise QB to win a SB. Skins just keep ****in up. I respect Snyders passion and want to win but some1 needs to tell him this isn't Madden 2010. Cutler isn't consistent. There is a reason they went to 8-8. Just like us after a great start.

You don't need a franchise QB to win a SB? Think again. Bad QB play has been the problem for this team for a long time. Campbell is good, but not good enough to take the Skins very far. Campbell is inconsistent. Coaches know it. A lot of blame was put on the OL. But if you look at the Steelers, their OL was a lot worse than the Skins. The difference was QB play.
The reason why Denver went finished 8-8 was because of their defense. They couldn't stop anybody. Nobody! Cutler is 13-1 when the Broncos gave up fewer than 21 points. The Skins defense held teams under 21 points 10 times. They gave up more than 24 points ONCE. Think about that.

[maskedsuperstar]

It's sad that our reputation of jumping on big name players and overpaying them brings the Redskins into talk about every free agent that comes out.

Wow, is it your money? Has Synder ever come to you and ask you to throw some money in the FA pot?

[Manny555]

I dont want Cutler. I dont think JC is the answer, but lets build the lines and see what Colt or anyone else we bring in can do.

[wysknz1]

Most of the people on this board are acting like how they criticize Snyder for being. The second half of last season the O-line stunk. Portis couldn't run. Dropped pawsses and even the play calling got conservative. Remember when early on Z would go on 4th?? There's more to the collapse of the season than JC, yet everyone here thinks he'd do better. Maybe, but untill LOTS of other stuff gets fixed, even Manning wouldn't stand a chance in DC.

And why bring in a headcase that should be in d*ll*s? He fits thier team better.

[HigSkin]

The Skins need to "cut out the Cutler talks" because as reported on Mike & Mike this morning, Denver wants 2 number ones! That's ridiculous.

[CCSkinsFan]

For once, can the 'Skins just stick to a plan (adding young players through the draft, per Vinny), and stop whoring after every "flashy skirt" that prances by ???
Judas Priest, we've only got 5 picks this year (as of now), and more holes to fill than that ... this nonsense has been orchestrated by Cutler's agent, and it's his ***** that's in the sling if it goes badly for his client. Let someone else overpay Denver for the "right" to acquire Cutler. Keep trading away picks like so many monopoly pieces, and this organization will sink itself ... it's time for the fan base to stop with the mindless, wild***** trade scenarios ... and demand responsible management form the "stewards of the team" ... Jack Kent Cooke had it right.

And BTW, how could Cutler be expected to come in here and pick up a new offense any better, or faster, than JC or any other QB, for that matter? And if the underlying intent is to replace Zorn with Shanahan, then have the onions to do it now !!! But they can't do that because of the Rooney Rule !!! For the love of God, when are we going to learn anything?? Anybody gone back and look at Shanahan's record as a HC/GM during his time in Denver? Other than the good fortune to have John Elway at QB, and a few fortuitous player acquisitions (Terrell Davis, Clinton Portis) ... and the fleecing of the 'Skins in the Bailey trade, what exactly did he do?? How good a job did he do in the draft?? And we want to bring him here?? I know it's a long off-season, but Judas Priest, people ... open your eyes!!! Are we so absorbed with "instant gratification" that we care not a wit about building a solid organization that can sustain success??

I can't believe all of this ...

But I'm old school ... what do I know??

[Santana_89]

One man's opinion. Nothing said in that article that hasnt been said elsewhere. What the article leaves out is that cutler is better suited for zorns WCO than campbell is. Much better suited. To suggest Cutler wouldnt at least equal, if not significantly improve upon, campbell's 08 stats is ridiculous. After that 6-2 start, campbell was incredibly mediocre in every way. I have doubts that cutler could do worse.

The real point nobody wants to talk about. Whether you like either Cutler or Campbell ,the fact that the Redskins are interested makes TOTAL sense. Cutler is better suited for the WCO and Campbell isn't that's the cold,hard truth. Yes Jason is a nice guy,everybody loves him.But he is NOT suited for the WCO.No matter what this "journalist" :hysterical: or the idiots at the WP says will NOT change that fact. Yeah for those who are Campbell fans this seems unfair.The fact is Synder is trying to win.He's spent alot of money this off season to get the pieces this team nedded to get better.Some of you may argue you dont need a "elite"/" great" qb to win. I beg to differ. One of the things I've had a problem with Jason is the fact that he is NOT a game changer. I think you absolutely need to as a qb take over the game and put the team on your shoulders.Cutler has that ability.So I can't blame the F.O for not taking a serious look at Cutler and trying to land him.

That said I just hope this trying to shop Cooley,Landry and Carlos Rogers is just speculation. I do not want the Skins to give up anything but Campbell and a draft pick next year. I would have a hard time accepting this trade if it were to happen,if we lost one of our talented young starters.

[LD0506]

I am SO hoping that Denver goes ahead and gets something done soon so we can put all this crap to rest. I swear it's always something, the contingent on this board that always wants to chase a "name" to fix things resembles preteen girls swooning over their latest boy band.

[MattFancy]

THis is how I exactly feel. You do not need a franchise QB to win a SB. Skins just keep ****in up. I respect Snyders passion and want to win but some1 needs to tell him this isn't Madden 2010. Cutler isn't consistent. There is a reason they went to 8-8. Just like us after a great start.

Brady, Manning, Manning, Roethlisberger, Montana, Young, Aikman, Bradshaw, Staubach, Favre, Elway, Starr, Plunkett, Namath, Griese. All franchise QBs who won the Super Bowl. We haven't had a franchise QB in a long time and haven't won the Super Bowl since 1991. There have been 17 Super Bowls since we won our last one, in that time only 3 teams that won have done it without a franchise QB; Kurt Warner, Trent Dilfer, and Brad Johnson. I'd say a franchise QB would be a huge advantage to winning a Super Bowl.

[Drunken Master III]

The quarterback rating argument is overrated. The fact is that Cutler actually takes chances and Campbell doesn't. Cutler's rating was still higher than Campbell's. Along with Campbell's low interception rate comes his low touchdown totals. Im not saying that Cutler is the answer but the article is somewhat off base.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Why can't our front office think before they act like this writer obviously did?

[onnie007]

the thing is until cutler gets traded this will be everywhere . Not one source has been able to pin any interest on the skins . This is all unnamed sources even espn, the wp who keep running this story have not been able to get any solid info . The only thing they are going off is "it is something dan snyder would do".

Its also in the broncos interest to keep the skins in the loop . We have a legitimate starting young qb and the 13th overall pick and a history of over paying . That is an awful lot of firepower and a good way to get the bidding war going amongst those other 13 teams who may be intersted .

People always say snyder gets his man, but we went through all this with lance briggs and then dre bly and then chad johnson ...untill something solid comes out i think people should just stop


qft



don't make this trade!!!!

[skinsfan_1215]

Wow, is it your money? Has Synder ever come to you and ask you to throw some money in the FA pot?

Overpaying does not mean strictly monetary payment. We could overpay in terms of draft picks, players, etc... which it appears we would be doing if these rumors are true.

[MattFancy]

The quarterback rating argument is overrated. The fact is that Cutler actually takes chances and Campbell doesn't. Cutler's rating was still higher than Campbell's. Along with Campbell's low interception rate comes his low touchdown totals. Im not saying that Cutler is the answer but the article is somewhat off base.

I agree with you. We need a QB that will take chances down the field. Campbell cut his interceptions in half from 2007 to 2008 and his touchdowns only went up by 1. So we didn't turn the ball over as much, but still didn't have a huge increase in touchdowns. I'd rather have a QB that trusts his arm and judgement to make those tight throws than someone who just dumps it off to the RB or throws a screen every other play.

[Riggo#44]

I agree with every point made in this article. Everyone just wants to assume the Cutler is going to be here what he was in Denver. He was sacked 12 times. Tied for best in the league. Campbell was sacked 38 times. Tied for 22nd.

THAT is the key difference there.


But if you look at the Steelers, their OL was a lot worse than the Skins. The difference was QB play.

Really?

Big Ben: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=5536
Campbell: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8440

I'd say Campbell's numbers are slightly better. Am I saying Campbell is better the Rothliesberger? Absolutely not. However the Pittsburgh Defense was pretty good last year, as I recall. They probably had a little more to do with Pittsburgh's winning then QB play.

But Campbell was playing well when he wasn't getting hit every other play. And despite getting hit like a live version of Whack-a-Mole, he did not turn the ball over.

The same cannot be said for Cutler. He is Romo.

[Mr. Grundle]

Agree with all points in the article.

Snyder is insane. Isn't that what you call doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

Apparently Snyder's entire player-acquisition strategy is to wait for the Broncos to draft someone, let them put up 2 years of stellar system #'s, trade the farm for them, and then bring them into a completely different team/system and end up wondering why they don't produce the same #'s they did the first two years in the league.

Guess what genius? Just like Portis, Cutler is not going to produce the same #'s in D.C. because the team is different, the system is different, and the opponents are different.

Cutler isn't gonna have the luxury of throwing bombs to Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal against 3 of the worst defenses in the NFL (SD #25, Oakland #27, and K.C. #31) when he comes to Washington.

He's gonna be throwing 5 yard outs and slants all day to Santana Moss and Antwan Randel El against the defenses of the Giants (#5) , Eagles (#3), and Cowboys (#8), behind an aging O-Line with no depth because WE TRADED ALL OUR PICKS FOR HIM and ignored the rest of the team.

Un-f'n-believable.

[ThomasTomasz]

I don't agree with the article. The redskins had a better running game and the redskins also have Cooley a huge upgrade from what denver had. Though I can see why people would say the redskins WRs are not a top set of wideouts they are not a bad group of players to say that Cutler will not benefit from having Moss, El, Thomas and Kelly.

I don't like articles from the bleacher Report, they seem like high school english assignments.

That's because anyone can make an account and write something. This isn't someone from ESPN, CBS or anything- it's John Q. Public writing.

[James Moss]

I wish Jim Zorn or whoever is behind this would stick with Jason Campbell and allow the man to grow into his offense before giving up on him.

But then again, what do I know? I am no talent evaluator. I do know a thing or two about running an organization and the importance of continuity, but that's business and this is a game.

Maybe Cutler is the answer. There is that whole Shanahan, WCO, Bill Walsh, Cerrato, Holmgren connection that does give this a proper Snyder-esque feel.

[Peregrine]

Wow, is it your money? Has Synder ever come to you and ask you to throw some money in the FA pot?

Really? That's your argument lol? "Wow, is it your money?"

Its really quite simple. If we trade draft picks for a player, we then cannot use those draft picks on any other player. If we spend 5 million in cap space on a player, we cannot use that 5 million for other players. This whole "It's Snyder's money" thing is demonstrable of ignorance towards how moves effect the rest of the team.

[Skinsfor4]

The Skins need to "cut out the Cutler talks" because as reported on Mike & Mike this morning, Denver wants 2 number ones! That's ridiculous.

What insurance is there that the first rounders arent going to be busts.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

What insurance is there that the first rounders arent going to be busts.

The mods should go ahead and change the name of this site to ExtremeRedHerrings.

What insurance is there that Cutler will be good with us? Jeez.