If this trade goes through... I say we storm Ashburn Friday!

[yonisredskins]

We've always been a good sport and supported our team in good times and bad. For those of us that are dissatisfied, upset and frankly ticked off about this move; I propose we go to Ashburn Friday and let the management know our disappointments in the team’s decision to trade JC and piss off more draft picks!
Where are all the organizers when we need them the most?

[BigMike619]

dont tread on me!!

[fullnelson9999]

Not me.

:)

[JetSkins]

pitch forks included?

[Hitman#21]

I dont get why anyone is upset over the possibility of getting a 25 yr old QB with 3 years left on his deal.
Bizzare

[mnb123]

good idea...

[RDSKNfaithfull]

edit button


Hurry


or this thread will be about treading


how many cutler threads are there in the stadium now?

[DCranon21]

Don't tread me bro! :)

[BAFGA]

It won't matter. Snyder will have his muscle remove you.

[ThePreciating]

Yeah, let's make a bad situation worse by pissing off our next quarterback. He obviously deals very well with being angry.

If I were a mod this thread would get a Close, Lock, Delete.

[Portis4MVP2628]

Please say no to cutler.

[ThomasTomasz]

Seriously, this couldn't go into one of the other Cutler threads on the front page? Take your pick, or post in all of them, but please don't start any new threads. Heck, I've given up trying to keep track of them all for the Free Agent thread sticky at the moment.

[bnewbs]

I dont get why anyone is upset over the possibility of getting a 25 yr old QB with 3 years left on his deal.
Bizzare

his deal is 8 mill a yr and he is only going to want more if we resign him unless he goes 3-13 or worse every year

[Stophovr6]

I can't tread all the way from Seattle. I guess I could go through the Panama canal.

[kevinklein]

I'll bring the pitchforks.

[P'Oed]

if your biggest problem in life is the Redskins right now then you've got it pretty damn good if you ask me

[kevinklein]

As well as the '**** you, Cutler' signs.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

If you run into Cutler tell him I said welcome to D.C. Oh and tell Vinny I said thank you.

[JimmyZ123]

If landry is included in this deal, ill be first in line

[HapHaszard]

Please file a report on your storming. How far past the gate you got before the guard pounded you to a pulp. I saw a couple of the guys that guarded Joe G, and they looked like they could hold back Fat Albert H.

[Art]

We've always been a good sport and supported our team in good times and bad. For those of us that are dissatisfied, upset and frankly ticked off about this move; I propose we go to Ashburn Friday and let the management know our disappointments in the team’s decision to trade JC and piss off more draft picks!
Where are all the organizers when we need them the most?

Should such a trade be made, such action would be counter-productive and silly. Should Cutler be a Skin, you put a smile on your face, find a reason to believe he's a good player who can help us, and hope he is a good player who can help us.

You're a fan. You're hoping for the best from your team whether you happen to agree with everything (or anything) they do. Undercutting the support for the new franchise QB would be short-sighted. Once Cutler becomes one of ours, we have to do what we can to assure he's the best he can be. If that happens, that's what our most effective role is.

[moondog]

I'm game...

[maskedsuperstar]

Yep!! Good job Vinny. I'm tired of the Skins scoring 16 points a game. The offense moves the ball far enough to get into FG range. Are you saying that you like that? I want the ball down the field. I'm tired of all the excuses about the OL, and Campbell not having enough time to throw the ball. Ben Roethlisberger has been the most sacked QB since 2004, and he has 2 Super Bowl rings. He makes plays. Get Cutler in here.

[kevinklein]

Should such a trade be made, such action would be counter-productive and silly. Should Cutler be a Skin, you put a smile on your face, find a reason to believe he's a good player who can help us, and hope he is a good player who can help us.

You're a fan. You're hoping for the best from your team whether you happen to agree with everything (or anything) they do. Undercutting the support for the new franchise QB would be short-sighted. Once Cutler becomes one of ours, we have to do what we can to assure he's the best he can be. If that happens, that's what our most effective role is.

And what of the support we've built up for our franchise quarterback over the past two years? Sweep it under the rug? This has less to do with Cutler and more to do with the organization treating Campbell, and quite frankly the team, unfarily.

Campbell himself said it seems like the front office wants him out, but the team wants him to stay. It's time for the FO to learn where the boundary lies.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

We've always been a good sport and supported our team in good times and bad. For those of us that are dissatisfied, upset and frankly ticked off about this move; I propose we go to Ashburn Friday and let the management know our disappointments in the team’s decision to trade JC and piss off more draft picks!
Where are all the organizers when we need them the most?

You're in the minority on this.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

You're a fan. You're hoping for the best from your team whether you happen to agree with everything (or anything) they do. Undercutting the support for the new franchise QB would be short-sighted. Once Cutler becomes one of ours, we have to do what we can to assure he's the best he can be. If that happens, that's what our most effective role is.

If you are a fan of this team, of any team, then yes that is what you do.

According to some, Cutler isn't a good fit for Zorns offense. Well that can be solved by adding Shanahan.

Some say it would be the single best move by Dan Snyder since he took over as owner. I would disagree and say it was hiring Joe Gibbs again.

[nebster21]

Yeah we have an owner that realizes that his new Doug Williams sucks and he is doing something about it. Yeah lets make it so he does not try and fix this team. Then we can become like the Cardinals of yester year when Bidwell never wanted to resign anyone. You guys need to get off of Campbells Jock.

[Gator Bait]

Should such a trade be made, such action would be counter-productive and silly. Should Cutler be a Skin, you put a smile on your face, find a reason to believe he's a good player who can help us, and hope he is a good player who can help us.

You're a fan. You're hoping for the best from your team whether you happen to agree with everything (or anything) they do. Undercutting the support for the new franchise QB would be short-sighted. Once Cutler becomes one of ours, we have to do what we can to assure he's the best he can be. If that happens, that's what our most effective role is.

Art, I'm completely against this trade, and I've been outspoken against it. But you are right. When all is said and done, I'll still be there on the first Sunday of the season, rockin' my Burgundy and gold rooting for the team I've been rooting for since I was wearing starter jackets with the big pocket in the front.

Hail to the redskins.

[ThomasTomasz]

Should such a trade be made, such action would be counter-productive and silly. Should Cutler be a Skin, you put a smile on your face, find a reason to believe he's a good player who can help us, and hope he is a good player who can help us.

You're a fan. You're hoping for the best from your team whether you happen to agree with everything (or anything) they do. Undercutting the support for the new franchise QB would be short-sighted. Once Cutler becomes one of ours, we have to do what we can to assure he's the best he can be. If that happens, that's what our most effective role is.

And I agree with this completely. Count me as one who is completely against Cutler, but if the trade does happen, I will support him just like I support any other Redskin. That's what we, as fans, do- support our players, whether we like how they were brought on or not. If we don't like it, criticize the move, but still root for the new guy coming in, and for the guy going out.

[ExoDus84]

boo hoo. All of you threatening to storm fedex are the same ones that'll be posting your exultation in the game threads if Cutler pans out and we start winning games and making the playoffs.

I support this deal. And i'll go on record as saying I support it. Furthermore, I'll be there to eat all the crow I can if he doesnt work out. Only time will tell.

[SkinsRock80]

We've always been a good sport and supported our team in good times and bad. For those of us that are dissatisfied, upset and frankly ticked off about this move; I propose we go to Ashburn Friday and let the management know our disappointments in the team’s decision to trade JC and piss off more draft picks!
Where are all the organizers when we need them the most?

I'm so sick and tired of hearing you people complain about possibly getting Cutler. If your a true fan you stick by your team 100% thru thick and thin and it seems like only very few people on here know that. Go form your possi bandwagon fan.

[Art]

And what of the support we've built up for our franchise quarterback over the past two years? Sweep it under the rug? This has less to do with Cutler and more to do with the organization treating Campbell, and quite frankly the team, unfarily.

Campbell himself said it seems like the front office wants him out, but the team wants him to stay. It's time for the FO to learn where the boundary lies.

I'm not a Campbell hater by any stretch of the imagination, but, he's not been our franchise QB. He has been our QB. He's had some nice moments and some horrendous moments. His play down the stretch last year was atrocious and brutal. So was the coaching of Zorn to be fair. Still, the guy is a nice guy and he's very professional. But, he is part of the limitation the team has had. If we improve his spot, that's not a terrible thing.

[BAFGA]

Should such a trade be made, such action would be counter-productive and silly. Should Cutler be a Skin, you put a smile on your face, find a reason to believe he's a good player who can help us, and hope he is a good player who can help us.

You're a fan. You're hoping for the best from your team whether you happen to agree with everything (or anything) they do. Undercutting the support for the new franchise QB would be short-sighted. Once Cutler becomes one of ours, we have to do what we can to assure he's the best he can be. If that happens, that's what our most effective role is.

Disagree. Should such a trade be made, I would throw up first before putting a smile on my face. How much torture can we take from Vinny and Snyder?

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Yep!! Good job Vinny. I'm tired of the Skins scoring 16 points a game. The offense moves the ball far enough to get into FG range. Are you saying that you like that? I want the ball down the field. I'm tired of all the excuses about the OL, and Campbell not having enough time to throw the ball. Ben Roethlisberger has been the most sacked QB since 2004, and he has 2 Super Bowl rings. He makes plays. Get Cutler in here.


I agree. I think people are more player fans than fans of the uniform. People are getting too obsessed with keeping this "core" togeher. Well, this "core" is 22-26 over the last three years. Maybe Cutler has an attitude, but we could finally have a good QB that we have had in many, many years. Let's not forget one past player that had an attitude. Riggins, but on gameday the man won games for us.

[redman]

I'm not a Campbell hater by any stretch of the imagination, but, he's not been our franchise QB. He has been our QB. He's had some nice moments and some horrendous moments. His play down the stretch last year was atrocious and brutal. So was the coaching of Zorn to be fair. Still, the guy is a nice guy and he's very professional. But, he is part of the limitation the team has had. If we improve his spot, that's not a terrible thing.

For an organization that for so long has prided itself on its line play, we sure have a lot of fans who seem to underestimate the impact of the line's collapse later in the year on, well, everything.

[redman]

Should such a trade be made, such action would be counter-productive and silly. Should Cutler be a Skin, you put a smile on your face, find a reason to believe he's a good player who can help us, and hope he is a good player who can help us.

You're a fan. You're hoping for the best from your team whether you happen to agree with everything (or anything) they do. Undercutting the support for the new franchise QB would be short-sighted. Once Cutler becomes one of ours, we have to do what we can to assure he's the best he can be. If that happens, that's what our most effective role is.

Not when I'm watching yet again the organization eat (or discard to other teams) its seed corn for some magic beans.

This isn't about one bad trade, Art. It's about an impossibly impulsive and dysfunctional front office and ownership who only know how to make a splash and make money, and who offer us the misfortune of confusing those things with "winning".

If our organization was a child, they'd have it on ritalin.

[yonisredskins]

Art = if you don't think the fan's outrage didn't play a part in the front office's decision not to bring in Fassel then we will agree to disagree.
All I'm saying is, I think we should show some back bone and state our displeasure when the team is not making smart decisions. We have no draft picks to speak of as it is and now we are trading our QB for a disgruntled one.
I'm just saying we ought to say something. A peacefull demonstration is all I'm suggesting.

[ExoDus84]

For an organization that for so long has prided itself on its line play, we sure have a lot of fans who seem to underestimate the impact of the line's collapse later in the year on, well, everything.

And I cant stand how the line gets blamed for everything. There are teams out there that did more with less. There are QB's (cassel, roethlisberger) who did more, while getting sacked and harassed more than campbell. There are teams who did more without a 1500 yard rusher. Hell, the 0-16 detroit lions put up more points last season than we did. Are you saying our line/receivers/TE/RB's, etc, are all worse than the Lions?? Or could it be that the QB running the offense, wasnt running it as well as it could be run?

Campbell himself is not a horrible QB. He's just not suited for our offense. Had Gibbs stayed, the quarterback that he himself drafted would probably have had more success, since he fit the system at the time. Cutler is a better fit for our system. Who knows. Maybe shanahan will be coming into coach, and having a cutler/shanahan combo here in DC would be money.

[maskedsuperstar]

Disagree. Should such a trade be made, I would throw up first before putting a smile on my face. How much torture can we take from Vinny and Snyder?

Are you happy with the offense? How are the Skins ever going to get anywhere without a good QB? The Skins don't have any confidence in Campbell.

[Art]

I understand your point redman, but, the primary limitation of our team since 1999 has been QB. If Cutler is a Top 5 QB we are a playoff team. That doesn't mean we'll have the game's best offensive line or strongest defensive line. It means we'll have a player who makes those other areas better for the first time in a decade. I'm not saying Cutler is that player, but, if you believe he is and there's evidence to suggest he is -- and there is to some degree -- then making the trade to improve this key spot isn't stupid.

It's stupid if you miss. It's genius if you hit.

If Cutler is great the Redskins can be a competitive team for a 8 years and we'll all look back with great fondness for what was done. If he sucks, well, that will further feed the impulsive, dysfunctional front office thought.

[DieHardSkins88]

YEAAAA BURN THE MOTHA ****ER DOWNNN!!!!


lol get real

[Art]

Art = if you don't think the fan's outrage didn't play a part in the front office's decision not to bring in Fassel then we will agree to disagree.
All I'm saying is, I think we should show some back bone and state our displeasure when the team is not making smart decisions. We have no draft picks to speak of as it is and now we are trading our QB for a disgruntled one.
I'm just saying we ought to say something. A peacefull demonstration is all I'm suggesting.

Fassel coming here was media creation and had nothing to do with fan outrage. I do believe HAD we been seriously considering Fassel, the fan outrage against him would have sealed his fate, but, had it not, and had we hired him, our duty as fans would have been to hope like hell he wouldn't have sucked.

[redman]

And I cant stand how the line gets blamed for everything. There are teams out there that did more with less. There are QB's (cassel, roethlisberger) who did more, while getting sacked and harassed more than campbell. There are teams who did more without a 1500 yard rusher. Hell, the 0-16 detroit lions put up more points last season than we did. Are you saying our line/receivers/TE/RB's, etc, are all worse than the Lions?? Or could it be that the QB running the offense, wasnt running it as well as it could be run?

Campbell himself is not a horrible QB. He's just not suited for our offense. Had Gibbs stayed, the quarterback that he himself drafted would probably have had more success, since he fit the system at the time. Cutler is a better fit for our system. Who knows. Maybe shanahan will be coming into coach, and having a cutler/shanahan combo here in DC would be money.

This is the first offseason in which I've primarily blamed the line for our offensive woes in quite a while, probably dating back to 2000.

The offense has a list of problems or at least areas that need improvement, Campbell's development and our talent at WR being prominent among them, but the line was at the heart of all of them because it affected everything. Don't deny it. It wasn't a coincidence that the passing game collapsed about the same time as Portis and the running game ran out of gas.

[Boss_Hogg]

nah, picketing will not work, plus it is a waste of time. just don't buy his jersey or other merchandise, hit Snyder in his wallet.

[kevinklein]

I'm not a Campbell hater by any stretch of the imagination, but, he's not been our franchise QB. He has been our QB. He's had some nice moments and some horrendous moments. His play down the stretch last year was atrocious and brutal. So was the coaching of Zorn to be fair. Still, the guy is a nice guy and he's very professional. But, he is part of the limitation the team has had. If we improve his spot, that's not a terrible thing.

His status as the franchise quarterback had less to do with his statistics as it did with the fact that we drafted him as our franchise quarterback, and has only had two years as the starter- and different systems each year.

Bring Cutler in and we have to go through ANOTHER year of a quarterback learning a new system. Plus, did Cutler make any clear-cut indications that he was ready to be a franchise Quarterback in Denver? He had some nice stats but he showed an ample amount of boneheadedness in his play.

Not to mention, denying the O-Line's shortcomings would be counterproductive in any argument. Whether it's Campbell or Cutler, without an offensive line both are gonna suck. If we waste or 1st rounder on this trade, and then another one somewhere down the line, where are we going to improve our line from?

[Xero21]

Why would we storm Ashburn because we got a Pro Bowl QB in a trade?

I mean, I do not exactly want this trade, because I want Campbell to have one more chance. But if we do get Cutler, is it REALLY a reason to storm Redskins Park?

[PROSCOUT]

The news certainly isn't good for Colt.

[kevinklein]

Why would we storm Ashburn because we got a Pro Bowl QB in a trade?

I mean, I do not exactly want this trade, because I want Campbell to have one more chance. But if we do get Cutler, is it REALLY a reason to storm Redskins Park?

Well for those of us who believe the problems lay within the trenches, yes.

[Art]

His status as the franchise quarterback had less to do with his statistics as it did with the fact that we drafted him as our franchise quarterback, and has only had two years as the starter- and different systems each year.

Bring Cutler in and we have to go through ANOTHER year of a quarterback learning a new system. Plus, did Cutler make any clear-cut indications that he was ready to be a franchise Quarterback in Denver? He had some nice stats but he showed an ample amount of boneheadedness in his play.

Not to mention, denying the O-Line's shortcomings would be counterproductive in any argument. Whether it's Campbell or Cutler, without an offensive line both are gonna suck. If we waste or 1st rounder on this trade, and then another one somewhere down the line, where are we going to improve our line from?

Let me answer the easy question first. Did Cutler make any clear-cut indications that he was ready to be a franchise QB in Denver?

Yep.

Cutler was No. 3 in the league in passing yards. No. 7 in TDs. He took a step up into a level of QB where it is reasonable to believe he's the sort of player you can build a team around.

Our offensive line was a strength for much of the first half of the year a year ago. Some were even saying the best in football early. As injuries mounted we hurt. Dockery extends our depth and ability. If we get hit with injuries here, we'll struggle most likely. If we don't we'll probably be among the better offensive lines.

[WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3]

Why would we storm Ashburn because we got a Pro Bowl QB in a trade?

I mean, I do not exactly want this trade, because I want Campbell to have one more chance. But if we do get Cutler, is it REALLY a reason to storm Redskins Park?

We would do it because Vinny and Dan haven't learned anything from their past experiences or Coach Gibbs and we are going in circles.

Seems like a fair reason to me.

[eljeasel]

How bout we storm Ashburn anyways? Regardless of Campbellgate, who thinks Snyderrato's existence is a good thing for the Redskins?

[redman]

I understand your point redman, but, the primary limitation of our team since 1999 has been QB. If Cutler is a Top 5 QB we are a playoff team. That doesn't mean we'll have the game's best offensive line or strongest defensive line. It means we'll have a player who makes those other areas better for the first time in a decade. I'm not saying Cutler is that player, but, if you believe he is and there's evidence to suggest he is -- and there is to some degree -- then making the trade to improve this key spot isn't stupid.

It's stupid if you miss. It's genius if you hit.

If Cutler is great the Redskins can be a competitive team for a 8 years and we'll all look back with great fondness for what was done. If he sucks, well, that will further feed the impulsive, dysfunctional front office thought.

Cutler's not "top 5" and hasn't been. You're hoping he becomes that, and you're hoping that he does that with a team that has an o-line needing a complete overhaul within the next 3 years (parts of it immediately), and with no established WR1 threat - and few draft picks to use to accomplish either goal, to say nothing of needs elsewhere on the roster! Both the OL and WR situations are marked disadvantages to what Cutler had in Denver, and yet he is expected to reach new career heights with us in Washington?

Moreover, while I like Zorn, you can't simply assume that Zorn will be as good of a play-caller as was Shanahan (and speculating that they'll upgrade there, including with Shanahan himself, is just adding speculation to speculation).

This trade, if it happens, is simply excellent evidence of our ownership and front office lacking even the first clue on how to build a winning team. I've mostly defended them for a decade, but I simply can't do it anymore. This is idiocy.

The biggest problem with fools is that they don't know that they're fools, but that's precisely what Snyder and Cerrato are when it comes to roster building. One gets the impression that if you told them that what they needed most right now was patience, they'd respond with, "Who do we trade with to get that?"

[Ax]

I hope the deal doesn't happen.

However, I have to agree with Art here. If the deal goes down, the only appropriate response from us fans should be, to hope that it turns out to be another Snead for Jurgensen deal for us.

As of right now though, he's a Bronco. So, **** a Jay Cutler!

[SonOfWashington]

So much for this plan.

However, I'm sure that the pro-Cutlerites will do this now.

[DieHardSkins88]

hold your horses, just saw on espn ticker that cutler is now part of the bears!

[PrimetimeSkins26]

It won't matter. Snyder will have his muscle remove you.


I'd stab whoever touched me in the...I don't know if I'm aloud to say that so I will stop.

I'd be extremely upset if they trade went through. This trade would confirm that the Redskins under Dan Snyder have no hope.

[redman]

Let me answer the easy question first. Did Cutler make any clear-cut indications that he was ready to be a franchise QB in Denver?

Yep.

Cutler was No. 3 in the league in passing yards. No. 7 in TDs. He took a step up into a level of QB where it is reasonable to believe he's the sort of player you can build a team around.

Our offensive line was a strength for much of the first half of the year a year ago. Some were even saying the best in football early. As injuries mounted we hurt. Dockery extends our depth and ability. If we get hit with injuries here, we'll struggle most likely. If we don't we'll probably be among the better offensive lines.

You're relying upon stats for Cutler in an offense that couldn't run the ball and had to throw all the time. This is why you don't rely upon stats by themselves. Cutler's shown promise, but he most certainly cannot be considered a "franchise QB" right now, not yet anyway.

As for the O-line, Dockery is a nice (re)acquisition, but the LG spot is not where most of our problems have been. Kendall despite his age and immobility was one of our steadiest players there.

[kevinklein]

You're relying upon stats for Cutler in an offense that couldn't run the ball and had to throw all the time. This is why you don't rely upon stats by themselves. Cutler's shown promise, but he most certainly cannot be considered a "franchise QB" right now, not yet anyway.

As for the O-line, Dockery is a nice (re)acquisition, but the LG spot is not where most of our problems have been. Kendall despite his age and immobility was one of our steadiest players there.

My rebuttal exactly.

[mcarey032]

I would have considered going to the rally, but since there is no trade there will be no rally so need to worry at least for a little while. I guess no Cutler Redskins jerseys and t-shirts for the trade situation means less Money for the owner boy wonder.

[redman]

I would have considered going to the rally, but since there is no trade there will be no rally so need to worry at least for a little while. I guess no Cutler Redskins jerseys and t-shirts for the trade situation means less Money for the owner boy wonder.

Respites from madness like this last months with this team, not years. Don't get too complacent. Another shiny new "opportunity" will come along to tempt Danny and Vinny soon enough.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Respites from madness like this last months with this team, not years. Don't get too complacent. Another shiny new "opportunity" will come along to tempt Danny and Vinny soon enough.

Qbs are not shiny new opportunities--what about this isn't making sense?

Patriots
Colts
Steelers (and yes, they have a D but they didn't keep Maddox did they?!)
Chargers
Packers (as recently as ONE season previous to this)
Saints (went deeper than we have--awful defense though)
Dolphins this year compared to last
Seahawks for years up until now
Falcons this year
Cardinals finally

Wow, what could the common element be here? Not all of those guys are SB winning SUPER elite guys (Pennington leaps out) but come on, it's a QB's league.

[cjbrown]

Hmmmm. How about we draft a quarterback, be patient, develop him, build a solid team (consistent system and coaches around him, good playcalling, strong o-line & receiver that catch a few balls on the large majority of plays) around him, then if he fails think about trade. Seem like we constantly skip steps when dealing with players. But, from a marketing standpoint that works. Every year the new free agent brings the fans back.

[Rocky21]

I understand your point redman, but, the primary limitation of our team since 1999 has been QB.
QB? Really?

Not the bad personnel decisions, the free agent signings, poor trades or squandering of draft picks?

Not the constant coaching changes / philosophies?

Not the lack of a competent football person running the franchise?

But the QB play? Got it.

[redman]

QB? Really?

Not the bad personnel decisions, the free agent signings, poor trades or squandering of draft picks?

Not the constant coaching changes / philosophies?

Not the lack of a competent football person running the franchise?

But the QB play? Got it.

Seriously.

I'd go so far as to say that our QB's have outperformed our front office since 1999.

[redman]

Qbs are not shiny new opportunities--what about this isn't making sense?

Patriots
Colts
Steelers (and yes, they have a D but they didn't keep Maddox did they?!)
Chargers
Packers (as recently as ONE season previous to this)
Saints (went deeper than we have--awful defense though)
Dolphins this year compared to last
Seahawks for years up until now
Falcons this year
Cardinals finally

Wow, what could the common element be here? Not all of those guys are SB winning SUPER elite guys (Pennington leaps out) but come on, it's a QB's league.

I love how this argument has gone over the years. Remember that stretch of time when when the winning Super Bowl QB's were Dilfer, Brady (before he was considered any sort of passing genius) and Brad Johnson? Delhomme was the Super Bowl starter opposite Brady the year after that. Roethlisberger's mediocre passing was not deemed to be the reason why teh Steelers won the Super Bowl against the Seahawks. The following year Rex Grossman started in the Super Bowl.

People were talking about how line play, good drafting, and overall depth were the most important ingredients to success. Remember that?

The truth is that the QB is important, but he's only one ingredient in what is most assuredly a team sport. You win as a team, which is why Hall of Fame guys like John Elway have lost Super Bowls to non-HoF opponents like Doug Williams.

The fact that the fans of this organization, which have proudly touted how Joe Gibbs won three Super Bowls with three different (and not-great) QB's can somehow start arguing as you do blows my mind, and it's really disingenuous.

[CapitalDefense]

This thread will never die, your voice has been heard. I am making a list and checking it twice, crow will be eaten.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

This is the first offseason in which I've primarily blamed the line for our offensive woes in quite a while, probably dating back to 2000.


Redman, usually I agree with you but lets not kid ourselves here. In that stretch of games the Skins:
Lost horribly to the Giants which can be attributed to a lot of things such as a new offense. But still they played poorly

They had to come back to beat the Saints and he didn't play stellar in that game either - one saving grace was the bomb to Moss which was his ONLY TD pass that day.

Held on to beat the cardinals - played fairly well.

The game where JC looked great - handily beat dallas. I wish JC played like THIS game all season but he didn't.

Beat the eagles in which JC threw 0 TDS.

LOST to the Rams again throwing 0 touchdowns

Barely squeeked by the Browns tossing 1 TD

and barely beat the Lions. He couldn't get the ball in the end zone. His best passing games in terms of yards were the Lions and the Saints - two of the worse pass defensive teams in the league. Shocker.

I'm not entirely disagreeing with you but what do you have to say about game in which Jason Campbell had ALL Day to throw the football and didn't even hardly get pressured? Bengals game for example??? or how about SF game with 1 sack and 156 yards passing lol