What happens now?(Merged)

[SteveFromYellowstone]

Will Campbell get traded? Will the Skins draft Sanchez? Will Collins start? Will Brennan start?

[kevinklein]

Campbell will start, or else all this poppycock was for nothing.

[21 always]

cAN U SAY dAMAGE CONTROL

[darklight1216]

Campbell will become disgruntled and demand a trade.

[SkinzFan007]

i would love to see us move campbell for a 3rd and bring in jeff garcia for a year to mentor colt and draft a qb next year if we end up needing to. garcia was still playing at a high level last year and he was born for the wco.

[mnb123]

I am really looking forward to Vinny explaining all this.

He'll probably just deny anything ever happened

[SteveFromYellowstone]

i would love to see us move campbell for a 3rd and bring in jeff garcia for a year to mentor colt and draft a qb next year if we end up needing to. garcia was still playing at a high level last year and he was born for the wco.

Garcia I could deal with. He doesn't make mistake and he's proven he can lead a team to victory.

[dg28daman]

Just as Vinny said a month ago "Jason is our quarterback"

[Stophovr6]

We prepare for the draft. That's what happens now.

[JeepRyder]

Vinny and Snyder can start sucking up to Campbell. What morons. Glad ur still here Campbell!

[Boss_Hogg]

wow we have a terrible front office.

[knowledge316]

nothing will happen...skins will probably draft Sanchez, JC will start next season, show nothing more than what he already has and in 2010 Sanchez will start

[SIXX99]

Well Campbell probably feels stabbed in the back and now we have to worry about stupid move #2: Drafting Mark Sanchez.

[asknoquarter]

we miss the playoffs next year.....again

[#98QBKiller]

JC will start as planned, if he ****s it up Colt will get the nod (assuming he dethrones TC)...this all appears to be rumor hearsay

[21 always]

Does anyone hear circus music coming from Redskins park??????

They totally created a nightmare with all of this

[SonnyJ]

If I'm Collins and Brennan, I'm seeing proof that the position is for the taking.

It makes me hopeful that, one way or another, we'll see desperately needed improved QB play this season.

[twistedpower]

if they give JC a long term deal then he will be happy

[Hitman#21]

Im speachless i really am, the bears!?

[Skins_TL]

we draft a need
JC proves the haters wrong (1/2 of Redskins nation)
we make the playoffs

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

im so bummed right now. i cant bear the thought of watching campbell sputter around again next year.

i just listened to his radio interview, you could make a case that he was just waking up from a coma.

[Soup]

Man this is going to be a problem. Why Why Why Snyder would you make soooo much noise and not do anything? Man I seriously hate snyder.

[KDawg]

Here's exactly what happens...

We come out saying "We denied interest from the beginning. We were never involved in any trade talks for Jay Cutler or Jason Campbell. We've said this all along."

What that really means is: Chicago came in and leapfrogged us and to make everyone happy, we're going to lie and spin in order to make sure everyone stays happy.

Good move on the Redskins part. For sure.

What do I fear will happen after that?

Damned good season for Campbell. Free agency hits next year, we offer Campbell a deal and Campbell says, "Thanks, but no thanks. I'm out of here."

At that point we're stuck with Colt Brennan.

I'm not sure drafting Sanchez is a bad move now, because we can't stay out of all of this trade talk bullcrap. I don't want that to happen, but if Campbell is going to leave after next year, then it may be a move out of necessity.

I'd still say stock up on the lines.

[CapitalDefense]

We stay mediocre!!!!

Every single time a huge FA at any other position comes avalible we spend millions upon millions to make a splash. We get the lead story on sportscenter AND it never seems to work out! We have a chance at a PRO BOWL QB, our GM and his little buddy, both their butts tighten up because of a couple of first rounder draft picks.

This is why we will continue to be the laughing stock of the NFL, because we bite on the players after a huge payday and pass on the PRO BOWLERS!!

DUMB!!!

[Milkbone Jackson]

We prepare for the draft. That's what happens now.

Word.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

What happens now?

8-8 or 7-9

[Skins_TL]

im so bummed right now. i cant bear the thought of watching campbell sputter around again next year.

i just listened to his radio interview, you could make a case that he was just waking up from a coma.


He aint gonna "sputter" like you claim he is. He officially got a chip on his shoulder!!

[Hail-to-da-skins-21]

ummmmmmmmmmmmm r bad JC ...................lol

[Tulane Skins Fan]

If they don't draft a ****ing lineman (offensive or defensive) i'm gonna be as pissed as if they had traded the ****ing farm for Cutler.

[benskins26]

Here's exactly what happens...

We come out saying "We denied interest from the beginning. We were never involved in any trade talks for Jay Cutler or Jason Campbell. We've said this all along."

What that really means is: Chicago came in and leapfrogged us and to make everyone happy, we're going to lie and spin in order to make sure everyone stays happy.

Good move on the Redskins part. For sure.

What do I fear will happen after that?

Damned good season for Campbell. Free agency hits next year, we offer Campbell a deal and Campbell says, "Thanks, but no thanks. I'm out of here."

At that point we're stuck with Colt Brennan.

I'm not sure drafting Sanchez is a bad move now, because we can't stay out of all of this trade talk bullcrap. I don't want that to happen, but if Campbell is going to leave after next year, then it may be a move out of necessity.

I'd still say stock up on the lines.


Great post. Ditto.

[Soup]

8-8 or 7-9


Exactly

[SAli457180]

What I hope happens is that they turn their attention towards the draft and actually draft based upon need and not BPA. I think Campbell is going to a whole lot more mature than Cutler was, but there are some wounds inflicted now that won't heal easily.

[wilco_holland]

Be happy that Campbell is a cool dude...he isn't going to make a story like Cutler. He will just step on the field and say I am the starter.

[Mark The Homer]

Here's exactly what happens...

We come out saying "We denied interest from the beginning. We were never involved in any trade talks for Jay Cutler or Jason Campbell. We've said this all along."

What that really means is: Chicago came in and leapfrogged us and to make everyone happy, we're going to lie and spin in order to make sure everyone stays happy.

Good move on the Redskins part. For sure.

What do I fear will happen after that?

Damned good season for Campbell. Free agency hits next year, we offer Campbell a deal and Campbell says, "Thanks, but no thanks. I'm out of here."

At that point we're stuck with Colt Brennan.

I'm not sure drafting Sanchez is a bad move now, because we can't stay out of all of this trade talk bullcrap. I don't want that to happen, but if Campbell is going to leave after next year, then it may be a move out of necessity.

I'd still say stock up on the lines.


Great post. Ditto.Thirded.

See - if we had a Noteworthy Post Thread like I tried to spark interest in last week, I'd put this in there.

[CapitalDefense]

8-8 or 7-9

EXACTLY!!!!!

read the sig!!!

[VAsBeachBoy]

I still don't necessarily actually buy that we really were trying to make a trade. Wouldn't be surprised if it was all hearsay. One person reading another reading another trying to make a career out of a bullsnot prediction

[Gibbsisgod2006]

Campbell will be traded. They might as well get some value out of him why the can. The skins will draft Sanchez.

[jbooma]

I am really looking forward to Vinny explaining all this.

He'll probably just deny anything ever happened


they are going to slam the Washington Post


JC is going to have a monster year and then leave for greener pastures

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Do 90% of the posters here not realize that players can get better with continuity and over time? Holy crap.

[SkinsBoss]

after this Cutler fiasco bombs and it's so clear we were hot on his trail......what do we do now? Is Campbell still sticking around? Are we still in the QB market for another trade, if so, for who, Brady Quinn? Or are we going after Mark Sanchez or somebody?........Any thoughts what happens now?

[Slacky McSlackAss]

We offer the Bears 3 first rounders for Cutler

[Mark The Homer]

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=284418

[Tulane Skins Fan]

We should start another thread.

[Soup]

Campbell will be traded. They might as well get some value out of him why the can. The skins will draft Sanchez.


People around here make Sanchez out to be the next big thing. I'm not picking on you but why all the love for sanchez? From what I've seen he has bust written all over him

[ciresolstice]

We offer the Bears 3 first rounders for Cutler


and a partridge in a pear tree.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Here's exactly what happens...

We come out saying "We denied interest from the beginning. We were never involved in any trade talks for Jay Cutler or Jason Campbell. We've said this all along."

What that really means is: Chicago came in and leapfrogged us and to make everyone happy, we're going to lie and spin in order to make sure everyone stays happy.

Good move on the Redskins part. For sure.

What do I fear will happen after that?

Damned good season for Campbell. Free agency hits next year, we offer Campbell a deal and Campbell says, "Thanks, but no thanks. I'm out of here."

At that point we're stuck with Colt Brennan.

I'm not sure drafting Sanchez is a bad move now, because we can't stay out of all of this trade talk bullcrap. I don't want that to happen, but if Campbell is going to leave after next year, then it may be a move out of necessity.

I'd still say stock up on the lines.

If he really does have a great season, then we franchise him and get something for him or keep him.

[KDawg]

Do 90% of the posters here not realize that players can get better with continuity and over time? Holy crap.

I'm sure some do. Problem is, now that we've ridiculed JC, why would he want to come back after next season?

He'll be the good guy here. He's too smart not to be. He'll toe the line and play for the 'Skins. If he has a good year, he's as good as gone unless we offer him something ridiculous.

EDIT: To respond to your franchise tag comment: Yeah, and? We get Campbell for another year before he bails. Awesome. Or we trade Campbell for compensation, but then we still need to groom a QB? Great. Square one a year later. If we won't win the Super Bowl in the next few years (assuming we franchise him) with Campbell, we're going to take a major step backward for a few years after and stay in our constant state of mediocrity.

[spjunkies]

We're pretty much ****ed no matter what if we keep Campbell.

Dude will not re-up with us now.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

People around here make Sanchez out to be the next big thing. I'm not picking on you but why all the love for sanchez? From what I've seen he has bust written all over him

What makes you say that? A lot of teams are high on Sanchez right now.

He has a big arm and played in a pro style offense. I wouldn't mind.

[turbodiesel#44]

JC already knows he hasn't been extended yet and knows his play this season will have a big impact on the rest of his career. I really don't think there will be much fallout from this unless we take a QB in this draft.

[wildbill1952]

If the Skins draft OL, the team waits to see if the single finger in the dike (drafting one OL) equates to added time in the pocket and an improved running game. If not, the Skins move on.

If the Skins draft a LB, which seems likely, the offense sputters, Collins retires at the end of the season, then we have 2 or 3 years of "Colt's just learning the offense" until Danny and Vinny blame him for the offensive woes. Then the Skins get a new HC (again), draft new WR's (again), get a new QB (again) and leave the OL as it is, made up of UDFA's and OL past the age of 32 (again). The D will look great (again) and the Skins will lose out in the second half of the season (again) losing a lot of nail biters when the D can't get off the field (again) and the offense can't score 20 points (again).

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing, over and over, yet somehow expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

[turbodiesel#44]

We're pretty much ****ed no matter what if we keep Campbell.

Dude will not re-up with us now.That's silly. If we want him and are willing to pay, he will be glad to stay. Do you really think we will resign him if he doesn't emerge as the franchise guy? And do you really think teams are lining up to outbid us?

[SkinsTerps26]

Who wants a Sanchez Ride?

[Gibbsisgod2006]

People around here make Sanchez out to be the next big thing. I'm not picking on you but why all the love for sanchez? From what I've seen he has bust written all over him


I am not in love with Sanchez but he is probally going to be available at 13. With this whole Cutler Fiasco I think we need to break clean from Campbell.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I'm sure some do. Problem is, now that we've ridiculed JC, why would he want to come back after next season?

He'll be the good guy here. He's too smart not to be. He'll toe the line and play for the 'Skins. If he has a good year, he's as good as gone unless we offer him something ridiculous.

EDIT: To respond to your franchise tag comment: Yeah, and? We get Campbell for another year before he bails. Awesome. Or we trade Campbell for compensation, but then we still need to groom a QB? Great. Square one a year later. If we won't win the Super Bowl in the next few years (assuming we franchise him) with Campbell, we're going to take a major step backward for a few years after and stay in our constant state of mediocrity.

If we franchise him, we can match any offer also... WORST CASE SCENARIO (assuming he has a big year) is that we get two first rounders for him.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I am not in love with Sanchez but he is probally going to be available at 13. With this whole Cutler Fiasco I think we need to break clean from Campbell.

That would be sweet... then we could trade down to someone who needs him and pick up more picks and take linemen and lb'ers with those picks we garnered.

:crossfingers:

[marcoskins]

As usual we showed our deck too early....i think they're down to a few tactics..

1) deny,deny,deny

2) trade campbell for a pick draft a qb and hold open comp. between brennan and pick

3) resign him now and make things good!

thoughts...

[spjunkies]

That's silly. If we want him and are willing to pay, he will be glad to stay. Do you really think we will resign him if he doesn't emerge as the franchise guy? And do you really think teams are lining up to outbid us?

I'm talking about IF he has an outstanding season. I can't see him WANTING to be here. Sure we could franchise him, but I don't want a disgruntled QB.

[KDawg]

If we franchise him, we can match any offer also... WORST CASE SCENARIO (assuming he has a big year) is that we get two first rounders for him.

And we still have to build around another young QB.

I agree there are much worse things that could happen to us. But we haven't learned a thing. We shouldn't even be in this position.

If we franchise him, he's going to cost us an arm and a leg too. Anyone want to do the legwork and look up with Cassell is getting paid this year?

[abdcskins]

What happens now is that Jason Campbell becomes an excellent quarterback. Always knew he would be one. Watch.

I'm so glad we didn't get Cutler. I don't think I could stand not having a first rounder for two consecutive years. Enough of giving away our future.

[Hardcore Zornography]

To all of those saying we get Sanchez now....are you seriously implying he will last past number 12 which belongs to Denver? Last I checked, they have Kyle Orton and Chris Simms as their QB's now. They won't let Sanchez get past them. Especially since they now have another first round to plug another hole of need.

We have burned our bridge with Campbell, whether he has a monster year or continues to be average, and we have no shot at a potential franchise QB in the draft.

So I think we give Campbell his last year of work, let him move on after his contract is up. And Zorn has to work some SERIOUS MAGIC with Colt now to take for JC in 2010.

It's about the only thing we can do now that the front office let this spin completely out of control.

[Stadium-Armory]

Football, hopefully.

[KDawg]

To all of those saying we get Sanchez now....are you seriously implying he will last past number 12 which belongs to Denver? Last I checked, they have Kyle Orton and Chris Simms as their QB's now. They won't let Sanchez get past them. Especially since they now have another first round to plug another hole of need.

No. I'm not. I'm saying we're not done wheeling and dealing quite yet.

I'd still watch for Campbell to be moved.

I hope not. But I'd keep my eye on it.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

What happens now is that Jason Campbell becomes an excellent quarterback. Always knew he would be one. Watch.

I'm so glad we didn't get Cutler. I don't think I could stand not having a first rounder for two consecutive years. Enough of giving away our future.

I wish I could share your unbridled optimism, but I have seen nothing from Campbell to make me think he's all of a sudden going to pull a 20 TD season and lead us to a 12-4 record.

[Shilsu]

I'm sure some do. Problem is, now that we've ridiculed JC, why would he want to come back after next season?


If that's the case, then we need to trade Campbell immediately while he has some value and just use this year's picks to address the rest of the team needs. If we suck with Colt at QB, then wow, we get a great pick in a class heavy with quarterbacks. If we do good despite Colt sucking, then wow, we can win despite having a bum at a QB due to addressing the rest of the team. If we do good and Colt does good, then wow, we found our quarterback.

It's a win/win/win situation.

[redskns21]

I think that it certainly helped that Zorn and the rest of the staff made contact with him today and told him he's not the issue! Thank God he had the sense to do that, whether it was hedging his bets or not, it was a great move in hindsight.

[CapitalDefense]

What happens now is that Jason Campbell becomes an excellent quarterback. Always knew he would be one. Watch.

I'm so glad we didn't get Cutler. I don't think I could stand not having a first rounder for two consecutive years. Enough of giving away our future.


WATCH?

I have been watching and I have not been impressed.

[KDawg]

If that's the case, then we need to trade Campbell immediately while he has some value and just use this year's picks to address the rest of the team needs. If we suck with Colt at QB, then wow, we get a great pick in a class heavy with quarterbacks. If we do good despite Colt sucking, then wow, we can win despite having a bum at a QB due to addressing the rest of the team. If we do good and Colt does good, then wow, we found our quarterback.

It's a win/win/win situation.

I completely disagree. It's exactly where we've been for years. A borderline playoff team. We haven't learned.

All of that said, keep your eye on Campbell. I'm not sure that we're still not going to attempt to move him. It may not happen, I don't have sources or any of that, I'd just keep my eye on that whole thing.

[alwaysaskin]

Hello Sanchez, aka Matt Leinart/Todd Marinovich v 2.9. Our Front Office is full of idiots, plus we'll probably lose our 1st to Tennessee if we tampered with Haynesworth

[Hardcore Zornography]

No. I'm not. I'm saying we're not done wheeling and dealing quite yet.

I'd still watch for Campbell to be moved.

I hope not. But I'd keep my eye on it.


So who do you see being our starter this year if its not Campbell or Sanchez? Theres nobody available that is any better than Campbell anymore.

Todd Collins is nothing without Al Saunders.

If we throw Colt out there right now, he will get destroyed.

[benskins26]

Hello Sanchez, aka Matt Leinart/Todd Marinovich v 2.9. Our Front Office is full of idiots, plus we'll probably lose our 1st to Tennessee if we tampered with Haynesworth

We aren't gonna lose our pick for tampering. They have nothing. And even if we did, it would NEVER be anything close to a 1st.

[Soup]

Another one.... Wow this is getting nuts

[21 always]

Its called . They "chucked and now duck!"

[Veretax]

To all of those saying we get Sanchez now....are you seriously implying he will last past number 12 which belongs to Denver? Last I checked, they have Kyle Orton and Chris Simms as their QB's now. They won't let Sanchez get past them. Especially since they now have another first round to plug another hole of need.

We have burned our bridge with Campbell, whether he has a monster year or continues to be average, and we have no shot at a potential franchise QB in the draft.

So I think we give Campbell his last year of work, let him move on after his contract is up. And Zorn has to work some SERIOUS MAGIC with Colt now to take for JC in 2010.

It's about the only thing we can do now that the front office let this spin completely out of control.


I'd love to get Sanchez, but to get him we need to trade up, probably above Jacksonville. at least. I don't see us doing that, so draft OT/LB BPA available or trade back, and pray JC doesn't stink it up too badly.

[CapitalDefense]

No. I'm not. I'm saying we're not done wheeling and dealing quite yet.

I'd still watch for Campbell to be moved.

I hope not. But I'd keep my eye on it.

I disagree, right after VinDan's butt cheeks tightened up instead of giving up just a little more to land a pro bowler.

They now have to kiss some butt, JC will probably get about 15 million guaranteed in the next few days.

[essex03]

Hopefully we can find a trade partner at 13, trade down and pick up extra picks! Then we draft some flippin' LINEMEN around here!!
It'll never happen though....

[KDawg]

So who do you see being our starter this year if its not Campbell or Sanchez? Theres nobody available that is any better than Campbell anymore.

Todd Collins is nothing without Al Saunders.

If we throw Colt out there right now, he will get destroyed.

Again, I'm not for this whole thing.

And again, it very well may be Sanchez, since you didn't read between the lines, I have a feeling we're going to try to move up, and Campbell may be a part of that.

I doubt we trade Jason if it's not to move up, though.

But who knows.

[alwaysaskin]

We aren't gonna lose our pick for tampering. They have nothing. And even if we did, it would NEVER be anything close to a 1st.

or maybe our third, the point is can we afford to lose anymore picks, I don't think we trampered, but Vinny is such an idiot that he might have

[Skins_TL]

I guess most redskins fans dont believe in optimism

[Shilsu]

I completely disagree. It's exactly where we've been for years. A borderline playoff team. We haven't learned.


??? So what is your opinion on what we should do then?

[benskins26]

I'm sure some do. Problem is, now that we've ridiculed JC, why would he want to come back after next season?

He'll be the good guy here. He's too smart not to be. He'll toe the line and play for the 'Skins. If he has a good year, he's as good as gone unless we offer him something ridiculous.

EDIT: To respond to your franchise tag comment: Yeah, and? We get Campbell for another year before he bails. Awesome. Or we trade Campbell for compensation, but then we still need to groom a QB? Great. Square one a year later. If we won't win the Super Bowl in the next few years (assuming we franchise him) with Campbell, we're going to take a major step backward for a few years after and stay in our constant state of mediocrity.

Agreed. That's why i said this whole situation is gonna set this franchise back years.

[Soup]

Does this officially prove Vinny and Snyder are bad for the redskins?

[KDawg]

??? So what is your opinion on what we should do then?

We shouldn't have been involved in these trade talks. I've said that multiple times.

Now we have to do damage control, and I don't know what I would do at this point.

When we entered the Cutler sweepsteaks, we had to win, otherwise ridicule our QB.

[Hardcore Zornography]

Again, I'm not for this whole thing.

And again, it very well may be Sanchez, since you didn't read between the lines, I have a feeling we're going to try to move up, and Campbell may be a part of that.

I doubt we trade Jason if it's not to move up, though.

But who knows.


Sorry, you were right about me not reading between the lines. The last 2 days have been way too crazy.

I was not for this whole thing either, but now I feel like we are in the worst possible position we could have been in.

[RAAZ227]

JC will start and the skin's will address their needs in the draft!

[Shilsu]

We shouldn't have been involved in these trade talks. I've said that multiple times.

Now we have to do damage control, and I don't know what I would do at this point.

When we entered the Cutler sweepsteaks, we had to win, otherwise ridicule our QB.

So the question is what happens now, and I think we should trade Campbell. You already said that Campbell will probably tell the Redskins to screw off after this year, so I'm wondering why you are against my proposal to trade Campbell?

[Hardcore Zornography]

Does this officially prove Vinny and Snyder are bad for the redskins?


Yes. And I have a feeling Campbell and Zorn are in their final season with the team. We are about to hit rock bottom.

[benskins26]

Sorry, you were right about me not reading between the lines. The last 2 days have been way too crazy.

I was not for this whole thing either, but now I feel like we are in the worst possible position we could have been in.

That's what I keep saying. We screwed ourselves big time.

[benskins26]

Yes. And I have a feeling Campbell and Zorn are in their final season with the team. We are about to hit rock bottom.

I'm afraid of the same. The next year or 2 might be unbearable.

[CapitalDefense]

??? So what is your opinion on what we should do then?


There is nothing left to do, the ship has sailed, there are not any more PRO BOWL QB'S ON THE MARKET!!!

WE BLEW IT, BIGTIME!!!!

[KDawg]

So the question is what happens now, and I think we should trade Campbell. You already said that Campbell will probably tell the Redskins to screw off after this year, so I'm wondering why you are against my proposal to trade Campbell?

Oh. When I said I disagree, I was talking about your win/win/win part of the post. Thought I edited the rest out. That's my bad.

I'm not completely against trading Campbell.

First step is to talk to the guy and see how he feels about all of this, I'd guess. Sit him down and be honest and candid and have him do the same. He will.

If there's any sense he doesn't want to reup next year, move him, now. If not sooner.

And that sucks. :/

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

What happens now?

We start praying for divine intervention to get us out of this major cluster **** we've created.

Hail.

[CapitalDefense]

I'm afraid of the same. The next year or 2 might be unbearable.


AGREED!!!

but only a year or 2?


We still need a QB and we are not getting one this year, heck, maybe another 25 year old pro bowler will be on the market next year.:mad:

[StillUnknown]

i wish their was some way we could vote Snyderratto out of here

we will never win a championship as long as they are a team

[wysknz1]

was it ever a fact that the front office was even interested in cutler or was it just speculation by some on this site?

[ECU-ALUM]

A dozen roses and a very carefully worded apology...that also blasts the media.

[BAFGA]

i wish their was some way we could vote Snyderratto out of here

we will never win a championship as long as they are a team

You hit them in the wallet. That's the only vote i can think of. They're trying it in Detroit.

[benskins26]

Oh. When I said I disagree, I was talking about your win/win/win part of the post. Thought I edited the rest out. That's my bad.

I'm not completely against trading Campbell.

First step is to talk to the guy and see how he feels about all of this, I'd guess. Sit him down and be honest and candid and have him do the same. He will.

If there's any sense he doesn't want to reup next year, move him, now. If not sooner.

And that sucks. :/


I agree. We pulled a Denver, but we can at least try to salvage it by being upfront and honest. Though I doubt that we do. And we'll get screwed. Denver really blew it with the Cassell deal, yet still make out like bandits on this one. We, on the other hand, really really screwed the ppooch, and are in a very bad spot.

[KDawg]

was it ever a fact that the front office was even interested in cutler or was it just speculation by some on this site?

I would say there was too much media speculation and sources to say we weren't involved. There were media outlets and posters on here, who have a history of knowing what the 'Skins are trying to do well in advance all saying we were involved.

We were in it.

Who knows how much we were involved, but we were involved.

And Campbell has been involved in other trade talks as well.

Of course, if you want to believe Cerrato, he'll tell you we weren't in it the next time he speaks. So take it for what it's worth.

[Bibby]

I don't get this board. I see hundreds of posts saying stop wasting draft picks and stop investing in the FA and lets grow our own talent, etc. But now I see posts about our front office being dumb because we didnt give up TWO first rounders for a QB in FA. What is it going to be? Just let Campbell play out his last year of his contract and if we bomb then look into the 2010 draft for QBs.

[brutality]

I'm glad we didn't land Cutler. I wasn't willing to give up what the Bears gave up for him...2 1st rd picks, a 3rd and Orton...so imagine that w/ Campbell inserted for Orton. Would you be willing to give all that up? Now we get ready for the draft and try to fill holes at DE, SLB, and OT. Hopefully Campbell realizes that he is indeed expendable and steps up to the plate and has a career year and takes us at least to the NFC Championship. If not, we go into next year's draft looking for a franchise QB, and the prospects in next year's QB class will be better and deeper imo.

[Soup]

i wish their was some way we could vote Snyderratto out of here

we will never win a championship as long as they are a team


The skins were ok before all this, now Snyder basically spit in campbell's face and they couldn't trade for cutler.

Ok, I don't mind the skins keeping Cambpell but if snyder was going to make so much noise and not get cutler what was the point of all this? All it did was hurt the team

Man, why is snyder doing this to us? I'm being kicked in the gut constantly with Sndyer and vinny. They should change the name from the redskins to guantanamo bay boys because they are torturing me with this stuff.

[KDawg]

I don't get this board. I see hundreds of posts saying stop wasting draft picks and stop investing in the FA and lets grow our own talent, etc. But now I see posts about our front office being dumb because we didnt give up TWO first rounders for a QB in FA. What is it going to be? Just let Campbell play out his last year of his contract and if we bomb then look into the 2010 draft for QBs.

I'm not sure anyone in this thread has said they were upset that we didn't land Cutler. Most here are upset because we got involved and then didn't land Cutler, and in the process alienated our quarterback. That last sentence is where most of our problem lies. Not in the fact that we didn't get Cutler.

We can't keep our grubby mitts out of this stuff.

[ArmchairRedskin]

We Men in Black the whole thing.



"Mr Campbell, if you'll give us your attention for a minute"




http://www.scene-stealers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/men-in-black-3.jpg

[difleha]

Campbell will become disgruntled and demand a trade.
nobody would want to trade him at this point. lol. he hasn't proved anything yet.

[Hail-to-da-skins-21]

COLT BRENNAN! hahha now we can focus on r lines u know the important part of the team that needs JC is a class act and our players will circle around him

[RedskinInExile]

was it ever a fact that the front office was even interested in cutler or was it just speculation by some on this site?

Well, according to JLC's source (which I guess means you need to take with a grain of salt), the FO tried offering multiple picks and offered several different packages before giving up

[Soup]

COLT BRENNAN! hahha now we can focus on r lines u know the important part of the team that needs JC is a class act and our players will circle around him


maybe all of this was destiny just so colt can get the starting job.

[KDawg]

I'm glad we didn't land Cutler. I wasn't willing to give up what the Bears gave up for him...2 1st rd picks, a 3rd and Orton...so imagine that w/ Campbell inserted for Orton. Would you be willing to give all that up? Now we get ready for the draft and try to fill holes at DE, SLB, and OT. Hopefully Campbell realizes that he is indeed expendable and steps up to the plate and has a career year and takes us at least to the NFC Championship. If not, we go into next year's draft looking for a franchise QB, and the prospects in next year's QB class will be better and deeper imo.


Okay, so scenario time:

We go to the playoffs next year, we also make it to the NFC Championship Game thanks to strong play by Jason Campbell.

Fast forward to the 2010 offseason... We offer to extend Campbell. We want him, offer him a deal. He says "Thanks but no thanks" because of this whole ordeal.

Where are we after the 2010/2011 season? Back to grooming another young QB.

We'd have to throw him some serious cash I'd think to keep him after this and a monster season like the one you suggested.

[redskns21]

Man, why is snyder doing this to us? I'm being kicked in the gut constantly with Sndyer and vinny. They should change the name from the redskins to guantanamo bay boys because they are torturing me with this stuff.

It's becoming increasingly clear to me that his main goal is hype to sell tickets. Winning is secondary to that.

I listened to the LaVar interview yesterday and while I didn't buy it hook, line and sinker, it does certainly seem to ring true with the events of this offseason. Including trying to replace Zorn with another big name HC. It's all to sell tickets!

[scottlo34]

What makes you say that? A lot of teams are high on Sanchez right now.

He has a big arm and played in a pro style offense. I wouldn't mind.


Is there anybody out there who did not hear what Pete Carroll said about Sanchez bolting for the pros?? He said "the kid ain't ready yet". I think Carroll would know but then again I forgot about the brains running the Skins front office and after all, The Danny and Vinny know better!!! Forget Sanchez!!! Go lineman and fix the damn lines already!!!

[brutality]

Okay, so scenario time:

We go to the playoffs next year, we also make it to the NFC Championship Game thanks to strong play by Jason Campbell.

Fast forward to the 2010 offseason... We offer to extend Campbell. We want him, offer him a deal. He says "Thanks but no thanks" because of this whole ordeal.

Where are we after the 2010/2011 season? Back to grooming another young QB.

We'd have to throw him some serious cash I'd think to keep him after this and a monster season like the one you suggested.

Nah, I don't see that happening if he finds success here. He already said he wanted to be here. If we start performing like we should, he's not going anywhere. Plus, did you forget? MONEY has never been the problem with us. We always find a way to overpay players, I'm sure it wouldn't be any different if Campbell actually performs well and carries us deep into the playoffs. Not to mention, I don't think one successful year from Campbell will garner him a huge payday in FA.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

The Bears become a contender, and we settle back into more of the same.

Hail.

[Warhead36]

Campbell is obviously on a short leash. He's going to have to show improvement over last season. If we have a slow start to the season than he's going to be shown the hook. Hopefully in favor of Colt...

[Doctorfro]

What kills me is everyone's screaming "damage control". Campbell is a professional football player. He's paid to play. If his ego is so fragile as to think he couldn't be replaced then we don't need him. I've said before, there should be open comp for the starters job EVERY year that way a player like Campbell wouldn't get complacent. I have NOT been on the Colt bandwagon but frankly they ought to be giving him a shot and keep Jason "Maybe this year's the year" Campbell on his toes.

[Justin in NoCal]

They already said we'd be seeing a lot more of Colt in the preseason. I think that's about all we can ask for and then go from there. I am so glad this trade didn't go down today. Whew.

[redskns21]

I think that Jason's got the right type of character for this not to be a huge issue, but maybe that's just me being super hopeful.

No doubt, JC is a stand-up dude, his quotes last night and just a little while ago prove so. I think that the mix of his character and Zorn contacting him today to tell him he was their guy is enough to maybe allow this to not be as big of an issue as it should/could be.

[turbodiesel#44]

We shouldn't have been involved in these trade talks. I've said that multiple times.

Now we have to do damage control, and I don't know what I would do at this point.

When we entered the Cutler sweepsteaks, we had to win, otherwise ridicule our QB.There should be no damage control. If JC hasn't caught wind of the fact the Skins haven't tendered him an offer yet and he doesn't have to play his ass off this year anyway, he never will get it.

[skinsince72]

Let's try not to "ohh poor baby" JC too much.This is a business. No one is too good to be traded. and there is always a better QB out there. Now if we went 16-0 last season, then JC can cry about it. But we went 8-8.

Blame it all on the Oline if you want. But a slow release is a slow release. Hesitating to make the throw isn't the lines fault.

One thing for sure though, there will have to be some damage control.

A lot of people are ticked off at the Skins now. I would have been more ticked off had Dan and Vinny not tried to land Cutler.

[Santana_89]

The silver lining is that there is a consesus building that Campbell is not the guy and something must be done to correct this situation sooner rather than later. As long as the Skins own the worst QB in the Division they will continue to finish no higher than 4th.

I dont know if the Redskins aren't still trying to trade Campbell now. I know the Broncos passed him over for Kyle Orton,but maybe the Lions or Vikings are interested??

[Wrong Direction]

Well, if I were Danny and Vinny, I'd call Campbell and be straight up with him. Then I'd go public, be very direct with what we were thinking, and apologize to JC publicly.

Of course, I wouldn't be in this situation in the first place, because I'd have played this like Chicago, not like Snderratto.

[WhodatSkinsFan?]

Here's exactly what happens...

We come out saying "We denied interest from the beginning. We were never involved in any trade talks for Jay Cutler or Jason Campbell. We've said this all along."

What that really means is: Chicago came in and leapfrogged us and to make everyone happy, we're going to lie and spin in order to make sure everyone stays happy.

Good move on the Redskins part. For sure.

What do I fear will happen after that?

Damned good season for Campbell. Free agency hits next year, we offer Campbell a deal and Campbell says, "Thanks, but no thanks. I'm out of here."

At that point we're stuck with Colt Brennan.

I'm not sure drafting Sanchez is a bad move now, because we can't stay out of all of this trade talk bullcrap. I don't want that to happen, but if Campbell is going to leave after next year, then it may be a move out of necessity.

I'd still say stock up on the lines.


I think we have a winner!

...

[brlawson]

I dont know if the Redskins aren't still trying to trade Campbell now. I know the Broncos passed him over for Kyle Orton,but maybe the Lions or Vikings are interested??

hahaha they did NOT pass Campbell for a more unproven talent in Orton. They passed on us not offering two first rounders and trying to get them a second rounder. They found the first sucker that gave them a QB and two #1's like they were asking. This does not improve the Bears that much, however in a crappy division like the NFC north where you win the division at 9-7 then maybe it gets them a playoff berth.

[Spear]

Uh, Campbell can't vindicate himself if he isn't the starter, and why would they let him start if he's either going to PLAY LIKE HE'S ALWAYS PLAYED, lose his job and sink our season; or he's going to start playing like he's never played, increase his value from nothing to something, and subsequently leave town?

It ain't happening. We have other options. Options that have taken us to the playoffs. And I see this whole situation as good fortune.

[Santana_Fan]

We prepare for the draft. That's what happens now.

Exactly. That's it.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing, over and over, yet somehow expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

Rita Mae Brown said that, actually.

And you're still plugging away at the "dude, we need 25 offensive linemen or we will suck forever" nonsense, eh?

Unless you're Pitt, then you just go on and win the SB while coming BACK at the end to win it on an offensive drive that had nothing to do with the D.

:chair:

[GaryGreenMonk]

my prediction is that Campbell starts obviously...

has another low ball... 3000 yard 12TD season.... not worthy of a 10 year contract or franchise tage...

and we end up in a pinch next year....

[1972FAN]

Will Campbell get traded? Will the Skins draft Sanchez? Will Collins start? Will Brennan start?

Will fire everybody but Campbell because its not his fault~

[1972FAN]

my prediction is that Campbell starts obviously...

has another low ball... 3000 yard 12TD season.... not worthy of a 10 year contract or franchise tage...

and we end up in a pinch next year....

If your scenerio happens we will be looking for a new QB and Coach, you can mail that home~

[Jumbo]

What happens now? I continue to congratulate myself on not being like everyone else. :)

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

He aint gonna "sputter" like you claim he is. He officially got a chip on his shoulder!!

that should have happened when he had to follow up a playoff run by Todd Collins to prove he deserves the job. A chip on one's shoulder won't make a QB second guess quick decisions, not see the field and get happy feet in the pocket.

[ashsra]

I don't put anything past these guys, but I'd be shocked if we drafted Sanchez after this fiasco. We need to get at least a OT and LB in this draft, which means we can't waste a pick on a QB. If Campbell fails we can always get a QB next year, if they do end up drafting Sanchez then they might as well trade Campbell and get another pick while they're at it. I don't think Sanchez will be there at #13 anyway.

[Epistopheles]

The offense and Campbell improve with another year in the system and more big bodies on the o-line. We improve a game or two, 9-7 or 10-6, and maybe squeak into the playoffs.

FO stalls on re-signing Campbell, tries not to do anything stupid. Fails.

[wvtbred]

Still need to get whatever we can for Jason RIGHT NOW. It's better then only a turkey sandwich for him next year :)

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Campbell will be traded. They might as well get some value out of him why the can. The skins will draft Sanchez.

well, to be perfectly honest. If we did that and drafted Sanchez we may as well trade Portis too because if our plans were for the future then Portis will be well past his prime by the time a 2009 drafted QB panned out, if he did. At this point, if we're going with campbell we need to make the best of what we have, draft a lineman and try to make noise with what we have.

[Thinking Skins]

That's silly. If we want him and are willing to pay, he will be glad to stay. Do you really think we will resign him if he doesn't emerge as the franchise guy? And do you really think teams are lining up to outbid us?

but we have a history of low-balling our own players. I think the first guy we actually signed to a decent contract was Cooley. We lowballed Betts and he took it, but I can see us giving Campbell a low offer and him leaving and being a pro-bowler somewhere else. sad, but likely.

[Dah-Dee]

Will Campbell get traded? Will the Skins draft Sanchez? Will Collins start? Will Brennan start?

No.
No.
No.
No.

Next!

;)

[Thinking Skins]

I think that it certainly helped that Zorn and the rest of the staff made contact with him today and told him he's not the issue! Thank God he had the sense to do that, whether it was hedging his bets or not, it was a great move in hindsight.

who knows, maybe this is the genius move of Snyder that unites the locker room against him.

[Thinking Skins]

I would say there was too much media speculation and sources to say we weren't involved. There were media outlets and posters on here, who have a history of knowing what the 'Skins are trying to do well in advance all saying we were involved.

We were in it.

Who knows how much we were involved, but we were involved.

And Campbell has been involved in other trade talks as well.

Of course, if you want to believe Cerrato, he'll tell you we weren't in it the next time he speaks. So take it for what it's worth.

The only thing that gets me is that Art, one of the guys I respect the most on here, was saying that we weren't in it. And when we didn't make the trade, I'm forced to wonder if we were really in it.

But on the other hand, the ones who were saying we were in it did have the time down and stuff. They were saying within 24 hours, then I saw a post about a deal being immanent, then a blog about us reaching a deal, then it was updated saying we were outbid.....I don't know who to believe.

[SKOALSKIN]

The skins need to be straight with JC. Come clean and tell him that they explored the possibility. But ultimately decided that he's the guy they want. If they are really serious offer him some sort of modest extension. Throw him a bone

[Thinking Skins]

What kills me is everyone's screaming "damage control". Campbell is a professional football player. He's paid to play. If his ego is so fragile as to think he couldn't be replaced then we don't need him. I've said before, there should be open comp for the starters job EVERY year that way a player like Campbell wouldn't get complacent. I have NOT been on the Colt bandwagon but frankly they ought to be giving him a shot and keep Jason "Maybe this year's the year" Campbell on his toes.

I'm all for competition, but the problem with an all out open camp is that it means that the starters get less time in practice, and less time practicing with one another, and thus develop less chemistry with one another, and less time to learn and implement the system and master plays and practice routes and timing and stuff.

When a player starts to struggle, then yeah competition is the way to go. If the backup is looknig good in his few reps, then yeah maybe he should get some more reps, but making Portis prove he's the number 1 RB or making Samuels prove he's the starting LT is kinda silly in my book, especially when they're coming off pro bowl seasons. Some would even take it as insulting.

[Gibbsisgod2006]

well, to be perfectly honest. If we did that and drafted Sanchez we may as well trade Portis too because if our plans were for the future then Portis will be well past his prime by the time a 2009 drafted QB panned out, if he did. At this point, if we're going with campbell we need to make the best of what we have, draft a lineman and try to make noise with what we have.


I don't want to get rid of Campbell but Synder put them self in this position by trying to get Cutler. Think about it if Campbell has a good season with us do you really think that he will resign with us? Thats why I an saying cut your loses now trade campbell for a 2nd or a 3rd.

[KDawg]

The only thing that gets me is that Art, one of the guys I respect the most on here, was saying that we weren't in it. And when we didn't make the trade, I'm forced to wonder if we were really in it.


From all of the Art posts I've read, he never once said we weren't in it. He said he didn't think we were as heavily involved as some may think.



Oh, I don't doubt the Redskins were involved. Just not as heavily, and not for the reasons reported. I expect something else to happen though. As for sources, I've seen how they are used. When Fassel told everyone the Redskins were hiring him it was for a reason that was false as they were not. The Redskins interest in Cutler was probably quite real, for a price different than most have heard, and, where that price wasn't acceptable, could well have done something that benefits a move to come by having their name as a frontrunner when they weren't.

Link: http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=284389&page=51

EDIT: All of the other quotes I put up weren't necessary. This one I just posted is the meat and potatoes of his argument. And one I happen to agree with.

[abdcskins]

To all you Jason Campbell naysayers:

With am improved offensive line(which will only become better when we draft Andre Smith), JC will have time to make throws. Need I comment on how bad our offensive line was last year? Tom Brady at 27 couldn't have made good reads/throws under such pressure. Campbell will improve dramatically and become an excellent QB. He has a cannon and he has mobility. I think he has the eyes and the brains as well.

Go Jason, go! Lead us to the promised land!

[Capt Rich Fla]

Will Campbell get traded? Will the Skins draft Sanchez? Will Collins start? Will Brennan start?

You know what's coming.:point2sky

[FrFan]

Probably a mess. Campbell will be disgruntled, and Sanchez won't be available at 13.

[Veretax]

Yeah I had a dream last night about a preseason game with JC still here, and Jansen starting at RT against the Ravens.

Let's just say it wasn't pretty, JC got pwned badly, and went off the field hurt in my dream. I'm so hoping that doesn't happen.