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bubba9497
April-2nd-2009, 07:54 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/print/nfl/story/11583339


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If Bears live, die by run, why did they get Cutler?

April 2, 2009
By Clark Judge




This is my take on the Chicago Bears' deal for Jay Cutler: They were better off with Kyle Orton.

You heard me. Orton can't throw the ball as far or as straight as Cutler, and you won't find anyone drooling over the velocity of his passes. But he has something Cutler does not, and that's a high score in the leadership department -- and, sorry, but I'll take that over physical ability any day.

As a rookie, he led the Bears to a 10-4 record -- including an eight-game winning streak -- before Rex Grossman returned. A year ago, he was back as a starter and was there for critical late-season overtime defeats of New Orleans and Green Bay. OK, so the Bears didn't make the playoffs but don't blame Orton. Blame Chicago's 21st-ranked defense, a unit that blew three 10-point leads and self-immolated in a last-second loss to Atlanta.

At the NFL winter meetings last month, Chicago coach Lovie Smith said the Bears were a running team that had to play good defense, and no one disagreed. So what's a running team doing acquiring a quarterback who can throw the ball the length of Michigan Avenue? You tell me, because I think the Bears were better off with Orton.

He fit their personality. He wasn't flashy, but he was effective before suffering an ankle injury. He was tough. He was gritty. And he won. Look it up: His record as a starter is 21–11, not bad for someone whom critics portray as the NFL's version of the Venus De Milo. Cutler is 17-20, never made the playoffs and never had a winning season.

So the Bears trade away Orton and two draft picks and, sorry, Chicago, your team just got fleeced. You need offensive linemen. You need receivers. You need a defense that must play better. Yet you just traded away the first round for a couple of years for a guy who throws a pretty pass and can't play .500 football in the AFC West.

Tell me Chicago knows what it's doing.

Smith had it right when he said you win in Chicago by running the ball and playing solid defense. The 1985 Bears had Walter Payton, a lights-out defense and Jim McMahon at quarterback. McMahon was tough, gritty and capable of big plays when you needed them, but he was hardly the second coming of Sid Luckman. He was perfect for that team because he epitomized its personality -- which was tough, gritty -- yeah, I think you get the idea.

Anyway, the Bears have to be that way because when it's November and December on Lake Shore Drive you don't win by having Jay Cutler throw the ball into 40 mph winds. You win by running, locking down your opponents and avoiding mistakes. Anyone have any idea how many interceptions Cutler launched last year? I do. It was 18, and only Brett Favre had more.

Then there's the matter of what Chicago gave up -- two first-rounders, a third-rounder and Orton. Are you kidding me? So Cutler was a Pro Bowl quarterback. Big deal. DeAngelo Williams wasn't elected to the team, which should tell you about the credibility of the honor. I won't argue that Cutler is one of the most talented quarterbacks in today's game, but I also won't argue that he's one of the most spoiled prima donnas, either.

All you need to know about this guy is that he once said he had "a stronger arm that John [Elway], hands down" and that "he'd bet on it against anybody's in the league" -- as if that somehow measured his greatness. First of all, I don't know that he has a stronger arm than Elway. I don't know that anyone does. Second, Elway made a name for himself not with his arm but with wins and fourth-quarter comebacks. In his second year, Elway went 13-3 and won the AFC West. In his third year, he was 11-5. And in his fourth, he was in the Super Bowl. That's how you measure quarterbacks, Cutler, not by arm strength.

Third, let's say you buy into Cutler as a franchise quarterback. OK, fine. So where's his franchise wide receiver? Devin Hester? Please. Earl Bennett? You've got to be kidding. There isn't one. Which is why I would have much rather seen the Bears hang on to the draft picks and invest them in something more worthwhile -- like an offensive tackle and cornerback -- or two offensive tackles -- or an offensive tackle and a wide receiver.

I imagine they'll find them anyway, but they just mortgaged the future for a quarterback who, when faced with winning only one of his last three starts last season, couldn't close the deal. Now he's going to magically transform the Bears into a division champion all over again when he couldn't do it with Mike Shanahan in the AFC West? There's a better chance of Terrell Owens serving as grand marshal at the next Mummer's Parade.

And who's going to protect Cutler's back? Chris Williams? He can't protect his own back. I know the Bears think he'll be OK, but that's what they said when they drafted him, and look how much he started last year. He didn't. At least Denver knew how to protect Cutler. He was sacked 11 times all season, and the Broncos ranked first in sacks per pass play. Tell me how Chicago gives him that kind of protection. It can't. It can't give him Ryan Clady, either. Or Brandon Marshall. Or Eddie Royal.

Finally, there's Cutler's personality. Cutler is a guy who whined about Philip Rivers' behavior when he and the San Diego Chargers drilled the Broncos, and he's someone who demanded a trade when the Broncos had the temerity to throw his name around in the Matt Cassel talks -- as if he deserved better. Well, then, tell me how he's going to act when Jared Allen stands him on his head three times in one afternoon or when Earl Bennett flubs a pass or when he can't feel his fingers in mid-December?

I just don't see how he fits in Chicago, and I don't see why the Bears decided to dump their first round -- as well as their quarterback -- for someone who has done nothing in three years.

Good luck, Chicago. You wanted him. You have him. Now let's see you win with him.

tr1
April-2nd-2009, 08:16 PM
I think Cassel had more up side than Cutler ever will...

Thinking Skins
April-2nd-2009, 08:26 PM
eff the upside, Cassel cost a second rounder. Thats a helluva cheap price considering what the Bears gave up. It makes the Chiefs look like graverobbers.

bubba9497
April-2nd-2009, 08:30 PM
eff the upside, Cassel cost a second rounder. Thats a helluva cheap price considering what the Bears gave up. It makes the Chiefs look like graverobbers.


better the Bears than us

Skins81a
April-2nd-2009, 08:31 PM
Yea I really wanted Cutler and you JC supporters are crazy....the guy stinks.....but man that is alot to give up.

Thinking Skins
April-2nd-2009, 08:34 PM
Yea I really wanted Cutler and you JC supporters are crazy....the guy stinks.....but man that is alot to give up.

I don't mind disagreeing about Campbell, but as long as you're not saying that this trade was worthwhile.

As far as the OP, I think Cutler's gonna find out how hard it is to throw to no WRs. Devin Hester and Brandon Lloyd. Wasn't their top WR their RB?

But who knows? McNabb was able to build a name for himself with no WRs, maybe Cutler will prove he's worth the hype.

jthor99
April-2nd-2009, 08:36 PM
I don't disagree with Clark Judge's points.

But, if the Bears weren't enamoured by any of the upcoming QB's in this draft, and they feel they are a franchise QB away from making a run then I don't have an issue with the deal.

The value they gave up to aquire Cutler was a bit too much IMO, but sometimes you have to overpay to get things you want.

I'm just glad it was Bears, and not the Redskins

skinsfan_1215
April-2nd-2009, 08:38 PM
better the Bears than us

Couldn't agree more... Compare the seasons they had last year, then look at the prices teams paid for them. It simply ridiculous...

Thinking Skins
April-2nd-2009, 08:41 PM
better the Bears than us

and better the Bears media destroying him than ours. Who knows, he may demand a trade because the media isn't treating him right.

ThomasTomasz
April-2nd-2009, 08:41 PM
Yea I really wanted Cutler and you JC supporters are crazy....the guy stinks.....but man that is alot to give up.

Did you not just read that Cutler had his last three games to win, and winning just one would get them into the playoffs? Take a look at those games:

Week 15: 10-30 loss on road against Panthers

21/33, 172 yards, 1 TD, i INT, 74.3 rating

Week 16: 20-23 loss at home against Buffalo

25/45, 359 yards, 1 INT, 72.4 rating

Week 17: 21-52 loss on road against San Diego

33/49, 316 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT, 74.9

Just a reminder- all they needed was one win to take that division in these games. To me, this is stunning, and you all think Cutler is really that much of an upgrade to Campbell? To be worth the price that Chicago paid?

DeMarco Murray 29
April-2nd-2009, 08:48 PM
Well they finally have a decent QB that they haven't had in what 20 some odd years.

SirClintonPortis
April-2nd-2009, 08:53 PM
Hester maaaay get a 300 yd boost and a couple more TDs. The rest of those receivers, eh, I'm not sure.

BTW, Forte had a 3.9 YPC. That is telling of their O-line when it come to run blocking.

bubba9497
April-2nd-2009, 09:01 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/04/02/cutler.reaction.ap/index.html?eref=T1


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Cutler might regret Denver exile

Jay Cutler has three people to blame for his trade from the most talented young offensive team in football to one of the least:

1. Jay Cutler.

2. Jay Cutler.

3. Jay Cutler.

Lots of great players in NFL history have been traded, including lots of great quarterbacks -- Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, John Unitas, Bobby Layne. Lots of quarterbacks have been subjects of trade rumors, including the one and only John Elway, who preceded Cutler as the face of the Broncos; Dan Reeves almost sent Elway to the Redskins midway through his career. And Elway was ticked, but he got over it. Cutler was ticked when the Broncos tried and failed to acquire Matt Cassel Feb. 26, and for some reason -- ego, pride, immaturity, or maybe all of the above -- he couldn't get over it.

I laughed when I read Cutler's quotes to Jay Glazer Wednesday night, the ones about him not wanting to be traded. Kid, either you or your agent asked to be traded after Mike Shanahan and offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates left the organization, and your agent asked for a trade again on March 14. Come on. You can only cry wolf so many times before you finally get called on it.

The other thing that happened here is that Denver owner Pat Bowlen grabbed this process by the horns and made the trade to Chicago happen. I will believe for a long time that Josh McDaniels wanted to take a passive approach here and let some rattled nerves calm down; and at some point before the draft, he'd try to make peace with Cutler. That's the strong impression he left me with a week ago at the league meetings. But when Cutler continued to duck the Broncos, Bowlen had enough. "You do not mess with Pat Bowlen, and you definitely do not ignore him,'' a man who knows Bowlen well told me this week. Cutler ignored him. That lit the fuse for the stunning trade to the Bears.

The Broncos will miss Cutler, because they have the best young offensive nucleus in football. Tackles Ryan Clady and Ryan Harris will both go to multiple Pro Bowls. Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal are the best receivers in tandem 26 or younger in football right now. Last year, they, and Cutler, combined to form the number two offense in football, averaging 396 yards per game. Chicago averaged exactly 100 yards less, and was 26th in total offense. They have two talented young offensive weapons on the exterior --wideout/returner Devin Hester (if he ever gets to be a full-time receiver) and tackle Chris Williams, Cutler's former Vanderbilt teammate, at left tackle. But Williams is coming off a back injury, so we don't know how good he'll be.

It's a massive step down. Maybe Cutler will make the Bears a lot better. He certainly should. And the Broncos will take a step back, at least until McDaniels develops a quarterback in his own image.

The saddest thing here? Cutler could have been a truly great player in McDaniels' offense. He may be great with the Bears; he certainly has the talent to be. But the Denver attack was tailor-made for Cutler's brains and ability to throw the deep ball. Whatever he says now, I know he'll always wonder how great he could have been in that offense, with that bright young coach -- whether he liked McDaniels or not.

SittingBull
April-2nd-2009, 09:36 PM
Funny how alot of the media are taking a big steamy dump on Cutler after the trade.

[[ghost]]
April-2nd-2009, 09:51 PM
I think Chicago made the mistake of going after a big armed QB when their whole focus is around running the ball and stout defense. Their whole game is about the defense, and thats where they are struggling mightily.

They don't even have the kind of receivers that made for a Pass offense. They have one legit weapon in Hester. And two decent TEs.

bubba9497
April-2nd-2009, 09:58 PM
Funny how alot of the media are taking a big steamy dump on Cutler after the trade.

actually there were several dump on Cutler articles before the trade, not every one is sold on Cutler

SirClintonPortis
April-2nd-2009, 10:00 PM
];6283884']I think Chicago made the mistake of going after a big armed QB when their whole focus is around running the ball and stout defense. Their whole game is about the defense, and thats where they are struggling mightily.

They don't even have the kind of receivers that made for a Pass offense. They have one legit weapon in Hester. And two decent TEs.
Hmm, Harrison and Holt are still around, I think, and you have to wonder if they plan on drafting one in the second round.

SIXX99
April-2nd-2009, 11:14 PM
Who the heck is Cutler gonna throw to in Chicago. A punt returner, Brandon Lloyd, who?

SirClintonPortis
April-2nd-2009, 11:16 PM
Who the heck is Cutler gonna throw to in Chicago. A punt returner, Brandon Lloyd, who?

The running back. Checkdown city Chicago. :D:D:evilg:

Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin
April-2nd-2009, 11:18 PM
"We're a running team and rely on defense" is coachspeak (and apparently, delusional fanspeak) for "we don't have a franchise QB."

EVERY team in this league wants to throw the ball and be able to, even if they have good balance.

Oldfan
April-3rd-2009, 02:16 PM
Chicago's GM who might know a tad more than the media and the fans about grading QBs is quoted in this video as saying that he's been looking for a QB like Cutler for 27 years.

http://videos.espn.com/m/video/22060363/werder_how_the_cutler_deal_went_down.htm?pageid=27 315

MidwayMonster31
April-3rd-2009, 02:33 PM
Quarterback in Chicago has been a black-hole for as long as I can remember. When they get a talented quarterback like Cutler, people find a way to ***** about it. Plus, that is CBS sports talking, they have some of the worst analysis in existence. Cutler is 25 and coming off of a pro-bowl season. The things that worry me about him are his inefficiency with the ball, and mental toughness when things get tough. Hopefully, Urlacher and Harris can help him out with that.
Besides, as much as you guys ***** about Campbell, you guys are just fine with him. Get him better protection, let Thomas and Kelly develop, then they can be effective on offense.

Shilsu
April-3rd-2009, 02:39 PM
You know what's funny is that the Bears still have twice as many picks than the Redskins. Can't be that hard to find another Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton.

MattFancy
April-3rd-2009, 02:51 PM
The Broncos made out great here. Yeah they lost a young QB, but they get rid of a player who didn't want to be there and they got a solid QB in return in Orton, plus they now have 4 1st round draft picks over the next 2 years! If you compare that to the Cassel trade, it makes the Patriots look like idiots for only getting a 2nd rounder in return. I'm not sure how Cutler will do with the Bears, I think not having a true #1 WR there will hurt him. But I'd say the Broncos are the winners from this trade. I'm glad we didn't give up all that for 1 player.

Big Blue Joe
April-3rd-2009, 05:27 PM
better the Bears than usI disagree. :silly:

fontjones
April-3rd-2009, 07:28 PM
You all are missing the point here.

First off, the Bears have never had anything close that resembles what you call a franchise QB. If the Bears somehow got Jason Campbell, fans would be dancing in the streets....that is how bad the QB situation has been for the Bears for about 6 decades or so.

The Bears best modern QB in the history of the franchise is Erik Kramer. They drafted the likes of Rex Grossman and Cade McKnown, traded for Rick Mirer, signed Kordell Stewart, have had to resort to signing Jeff George, Chad Hutchinson, Craig Krenzel.....

If you have watched any Bears game with Kyle Orton as the QB you would understand why they are a running team. Because he lacked the accuracy to deliver the ball 20 yards down the field to a WR.

The closest the Bears ever came to getting a franchise QB was A) Losing a coin flip in the Terry Bradshaw draft and B) Miami pulling out of a deal that would have sent Marino to the Bears in the mid 80s.

That's it. The cupboard wasn't bare...the darn thing was never installed to begin with.

So they traded a few draft picks and Orton for a 25 year old QB with an arm that can not only make every pass, but make it in windy conditions. He is only 25, they dont HAVE to win next year or the year after that. All they have to do is start building around him.

When you played the Bears, did you honestly fear Kyle Orton....no. What about Jay Cutler? I watched the Orton led Bears take on the Pack last year in Lambeau. Orton was having a solid year up to that point. The Pack decided to put their best corners on their TEs and let the WRs roam a little free. The end result was 5 turnovers and a severe beating by 35 points.

It's not that Orton didn't complete any passes to his WRs, he did not possess the arm to do so. They wanted to throw the ball to Hester deep, they did it at least twice every game. Guess how many passes they completed. Zero. Every single one was underthrown and up for grabs. Their most productive pass play was a PI call on a Saints defender that won the game for them. And Hester beat his man on every play.

During a MNF game, Jaws said something like "well, they are trying to get the ball down the field to Devin Hester but they just cannot get on the same page". Kornheiser replied "well, if you are trying to get the ball to Devin Hester and you are 0 for 30 in doing so, get a better QB"

The Bears got a better QB. They have 9 draft picks this year as well. They have three HUGE holes on their team. A pass rusher, a safety, and a WR. 9 picks to work with. They also have a defense that is still in the top ranks in forcing turnovers, they have one of the best special teams units in the league, a wonderful second year RB who can do everything and they just signed Orlando Pace.

What they didnt have, and what they never have had is a QB to build around. Now they have that.

People think the Bears got fleeced, or that they gave up too much for this. If you ask any Bear fan they will tell you they fleeced the Broncos. Now Cutler has a RB, now he has some TEs, now he has a defense, now he has a great special teams unit, now he has a weak division, and now he plays the Lions twice instead of the Raiders (ok, that is a wash).

Redskins:Victory_or_Death
April-3rd-2009, 07:58 PM
better the Bears than usFor anywhere near the price they paid, absolutely.

Oldskool
April-3rd-2009, 08:03 PM
My take is that Cutler will soon realize that the Bears OC is very conservative, will get frustrated and make noise about it. He won't get traded, won't sign an extension, play out the remaining 3 years of his rookie contract and be the Bears franchise player in 2012 (assuming there is a CBA then).

Destino
April-3rd-2009, 08:45 PM
a high score in the leadership department -- and, sorry, but I'll take that over physical ability any day.

How can someone seriously write that? Leadership is great but without the ability to get the job done, any other strengths you may have are uselesss. A QB has to be a good QB first, after that there are things that seperate the good from the great.