Frank Hanrahan: Redskins were 10 minutes away from getting Cutler

[SMOSS89]

Frank was on the Locker Room and told his story. Frank was called by someone from ESPN saying "you guys just got Cutler, we just got word from John Clayton, come on Sportscenter and give us the reaction from D.C". Once this happened he was ready to break the news and 5 minutes later ESPN told him that the Bears got him.

Regardless of what you think of Cutler, we were 10 minutes away from getting him. Bears literally took the deal 10 minutes before he would have been with us.

[RunClintonRun26]

Yeah I heard this story yesterday on the Sports Reporters . . . absolutely crazy when you think about it.

[KyleVA]

Thanks Bears.. :thumbs up:

[Dan T.]

But that's all just a media smokescreen. The Redskins weren't really pursuing Cutler. LaCanfora and Keim were just making stuff up. At least that's what I read here...

[brandymac27]

Damn Damn Damn! I wish we could have gotten him.

[SkinsHokieFan]

What was the deal we were sending to the Bears?

[jweisk1]

Thanks god we didnt

[SMOSS89]

I can just imagine something like the Bears calling the Broncos and were like "oh yeah, we forgot, and we'll give you a 2009 3rd and Kyle Orton" and Denver's like 'DONE!'

[IbleedBnG83]

Its Gods will.


The Bears demise.

[authentic]

so i suppose the deciding factor was that Denver wanted Orton instead of Campbell. We were going to give this year's 1st, next year's 1st & 3rd, and Campbell? Wow!!!!

[AKM311]

It is obvious we went for them and the reporting was not wrong.

But I would really love to know what we offered, because I heard a lot of reports and if it was something like the Bears, we are idiots.

[That Redskins Fan]

its gods will.


The bears demise.

+1

[Rocky21]

Holy ****! There's no end to this story.

[Siven]

Cutler playing in the windy city is going to be laughable. they should have spent those picks on offensive line and defense.

tough defense and running the ball is how the bears have got it done. Cutler is going to struggle far more with the conditions in chicago then in denver

[#98QBKiller]

Thank god for the Bears.

[terpskins10]

Thank god for the Bears.

Agreed. Cutler is a very good QB, but no player in the NFL not named Manning or Brady is worth that much.

[redshirtguy#45]

Frank was on the Locker Room and told his story. Frank was called by someone from ESPN saying "you guys just got Cutler, we just got word from John Clayton, come on Sportscenter and give us the reaction from D.C". Once this happened he was ready to break the news and 5 minutes later ESPN told him that the Bears got him.

Regardless of what you think of Cutler, we were 10 minutes away from getting him. Bears literally took the deal 10 minutes before he would have been with us.

this is a bit misleading. i dont think they were 10 mins from getting him. its more likely the media cats simply had it wrong as to the final destination. this sounds like the same thing he said on sports reporters yesterday and thats how it came across to me. not that they were close to getting him, more that folks didnt have accurate info...

[CapitalDefense]

Cutler playing in the windy city is going to be laughable. they should have spent those picks on offensive line and defense.

tough defense and running the ball is how the bears have got it done. Cutler is going to struggle far more with the conditions in chicago then in denver

The great Brett Farve had trouble playing in Chicago on a windy day, it effects the opponents too. On a good day or on the road this guy can play with the best of them.

[#98QBKiller]

Agreed. Cutler is a very good QB, but no player in the NFL not named Manning or Brady is worth that much.

Exactly. I'm not going to pretend like Cutler sucks because he doesn't and I won't pretend like Jason Campbell is the right guy for the job because we're not sure yet, but two 1st rounders are definitely too much to give up for Jay Cutler.

[gortiz]

Frank was on the Locker Room and told his story. Frank was called by someone from ESPN saying "you guys just got Cutler, we just got word from John Clayton, come on Sportscenter and give us the reaction from D.C". Once this happened he was ready to break the news and 5 minutes later ESPN told him that the Bears got him.

Regardless of what you think of Cutler, we were 10 minutes away from getting him. Bears literally took the deal 10 minutes before he would have been with us.

yeah, but then Czabe said ESPN probably told that to 5 other beat reporters for other teams and Hanerwhatever TOTALLY agreed and said your are right ...

[Skins-Canes-Mounties]

Well. Our first this year is worth significantly more at 13 than the Bears' at 18, so just because the Bears gave 2 firsts, a third, and dumped a qb, doesn't necessarily mean that we were giving more than 2 firsts and dumping a qb.

Who knows what the real deal was going to be. I don't care any more. I would have liked Cutler for Campbell in a 1-1, which would never have happened. I would have liked a Cutler for Campbel and a first, which also would never have happened. But you just don't trade multiple #1s in a deal. Whenever I see deals with multiple #1s, I think back to the Bullets / Wizards in the 1990s and their lack of first rounders because of trades. It just perpetuates bad situations.

[SkinsNumberOne]

Agreed. Cutler is a very good QB, but no player in the NFL not named Manning or Brady is worth that much.
He's got talent.

But I don't know if he's been very good.

He has thrown a lot of costly interceptions, made some critical mistakes in games. As you said, he's not tier-1. I'd say he's a good tier-2 QB.

His negative X-factor is his attitude though. Man his attitude is sour. I don't like how he said he has the strongest arm in the league. I understand the QB has to have confidence and everything like that, but I never heard Favre or Elway or anyone with reportedly strong arms SAY they have the strongest arm in the league. You just heard it from the receivers.

Add that to his tantrum and other reports... ugh. Say what you will about Romo, but he tried to keep his team together with TO on it, which is saying a lot. He was able to keep a smile on his face while dealing with all the garbage around him. I'll give him that much. I'm not sold on Cutler's ability to lead given his character issues (and this is something NFL Execs reportedly also have concerns about).

[Art]

But that's all just a media smokescreen. The Redskins weren't really pursuing Cutler. LaCanfora and Keim were just making stuff up. At least that's what I read here...

The Redskins called about Cutler, but weren't minutes away from getting him. We were interested. No one has said otherwise. The proximity, however, was not close. Not a single media member mentioned the Bears until the trade was formally announced by Denver.

People who never even knew the Bears were in the mix ought not be considered the people you believe entirely when told we were. We would have loved Cutler, no doubt. But, not at the prices discussed and not as late in the day as people think.

[JimmyConway]

Thank god for the Bears.

Exactly.

Last year the Bungles saved us from ourselves and this year it's da Bears.:doh:

FIRE VINNY!

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Cutler playing in the windy city is going to be laughable. they should have spent those picks on offensive line and defense.

tough defense and running the ball is how the bears have got it done. Cutler is going to struggle far more with the conditions in chicago then in denver

For what its worth they signed Orlanda Pace who was no slouch.

[SMOSS89]

The Redskins called about Cutler, but weren't minutes away from getting him. We were interested. No one has said otherwise. The proximity, however, was not close. Not a single media member mentioned the Bears until the trade was formally announced by Denver.

People who never even knew the Bears were in the mix ought not be considered the people you believe entirely when told we were. We would have loved Cutler, no doubt. But, not at the prices discussed and not as late in the day as people think.


educated guess? or do you know something?

[corrupt3d]

educated guess? or do you know something?



I'd trust Art. Let me just put it that way.

[jnhay]

But that's all just a media smokescreen. The Redskins weren't really pursuing Cutler. LaCanfora and Keim were just making stuff up. At least that's what I read here...

Haven't Zorn and Campbell confirmed that there were serious trade talks?

[Walking Deadman]

Thank god for the Bears.

+ 1,000,000

It's hard to tell how close the Skins were to Cutler and/or what they were willing to offer, but I sure am glad the Bears were willing to go to Hershel Walker lengths to get Cutler.

Almost makes the Portis + 2nd for Bailey look like a shrewd move.

[redman]

I'm reminded through this report of the famous line from Winston Churchill:

"The greatest thrill a man can experience is to be shot at and missed."

[difleha]

But that's all just a media smokescreen. The Redskins weren't really pursuing Cutler. LaCanfora and Keim were just making stuff up. At least that's what I read here...
Do you really believe everything you read here?

[Art]

Haven't Zorn and Campbell confirmed that there were serious trade talks?

Nope. Campbell did, reportedly, tell one reporter that he and Cerrato ran into each other yesterday at the Park and Cerrato told him nothing was happening. This was before the Bears got Cutler. How come no one actually seems to process this data in the slightest?

[Gunny Highway]

The danny must be in a bad mood today

[redman]

Nope. Campbell did, reportedly, tell one reporter that he and Cerrato ran into each other yesterday at the Park and Cerrato told him nothing was happening. This was before the Bears got Cutler. How come no one actually seems to process this data in the slightest?

And you take that to mean that there was nothing to the Cutler-to-Redskins trade reports, Art?

[jfr3ek]

Damn Damn Damn! I wish we could have gotten him.

:chair:

[That Redskins Fan]

The danny must be in a bad mood today

I bet he is and he brought on himself

but I gurantee he will do something during the draft watch

[mnb123]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

[#98QBKiller]

+ 1,000,000

It's hard to tell how close the Skins were to Cutler and/or what they were willing to offer, but I sure am glad the Bears were willing to go to Hershel Walker lengths to get Cutler.

Almost makes the Portis + 2nd for Bailey look like a shrewd move.


It really does. It's bad when teams are making such major trades that the Portis move looks conservative.

I'm just glad the Cowboys make such a move for an unproductive-thus-far Roy Williams. :D

[Walking Deadman]

Nope. Campbell did, reportedly, tell one reporter that he and Cerrato ran into each other yesterday at the Park and Cerrato told him nothing was happening. This was before the Bears got Cutler. How come no one actually seems to process this data in the slightest?

Many like the drama and see fire where there may be smoke.

Also, Snyder and Cerrato seem capable of doing anything no matter how smartly or stupidly it would affect the franchise.

[Walking Deadman]

It really does. It's bad when teams are making such major trades that the Portis move looks conservative.

I'm just glad the Cowboys make such a move for an unproductive-thus-far Roy Williams. :D

Don't forget Kitna for Henry......;)

[Never4get#21]

WHEW!!! Thank God for da Bears!

Just shows that Vinny/Danny havent learned a dam thing!

[CapitalDefense]

Nope. Campbell did, reportedly, tell one reporter that he and Cerrato ran into each other yesterday at the Park and Cerrato told him nothing was happening. This was before the Bears got Cutler. How come no one actually seems to process this data in the slightest?

Cerrato took a bathroom break and bumped into JC, heck his eyes are so big all the time JC probably couldn't tell he was suprised. What would you expect him to say? Hey JC pack your bags we are almost finished shipping you to Denver. Come on....

[S.T.real,lights,out]

thanks bears.. :thumbs up:

+1

[Boss_Hogg]

The Bears have saved us twice, The Lance Briggs fiasco several years ago and now Jay Cutler.

Snyderrato was willing to give up two number ones for Briggs, Ocho Cinco and now Cutler.

[WinSkins]

Saved by da Bears! :)

[Buck812]

I wished we played the Bears next year.... Man that would be a sweet victory now!

[#98QBKiller]

Don't forget Kitna for Henry......;)


That brightens my day :cloud9:

[LightningBuggs]

I'd trust Art. Let me just put it that way.

In this case, there are multiple sources confirming basically the opposite.

Sorry, but I'd be more inclined to believe everyone else.

But, to each his own, I guess.

[Dah-Dee]

Regardless of what you think of Cutler, we were 10 minutes away from getting him.



http://images.chron.com/blogs/nickanderson/archives/r.doomsday%20clock.jpg


:whew:





:nana:

[cmman848]

Agreed. Cutler is a very good QB, but no player in the NFL not named Manning or Brady is worth that much.
We would have probably given our 1st round pick to the colts/pats for each year one of them played for us:doh:

[LD0506]

Many like the drama and see fire where there may be smoke.

This was an IQ test for the fanbase and unfortunately there are a lot of failing grades. Someone heard that their mailman's mother-in-law might have smelled smoke and that got blown up into a bunch of chuckleheads running around yelling "FIRE!"

It is another one of those stupid viral internet phenomena. One guys asks "Think the Skins will trade for Cutler?". Next guy hears "......Skins will trade for Cutler..." and awaaaaaaaaaaay we go. There is zero evidence that the FO did more than inquire about the terms, 0 zilch nyet nada, and yet we wade through dozens of posts today about how we were minutes away, had it locked up, etc. Just because some mediot wants to repeat the same tripe another said does not mean that it was "confirmed".

You keep seeing the same crap recirculating here, in the bastion of what OUGHT to reasonable knowledgeable Skins fans- "The Bears SAVED us!" (mindbogglingly stupid)- "The Broncos wanted Orton over Campbell"- yadda yadda yadda........ It is simple, there are people out there, and unfortunately some here as well, that have no qualms about making up total lies and BS just to get others to hear them. It is another form of attention-whoring, nothing more.

[ntotoro]

Nope. Campbell did, reportedly, tell one reporter that he and Cerrato ran into each other yesterday at the Park and Cerrato told him nothing was happening. This was before the Bears got Cutler. How come no one actually seems to process this data in the slightest?

Maybe because you can believe little that comes from his mouth... ? Last time I checked, Jason Taylor was no longer on the roster, for instance.

Art, I'm actually surprised you do believe Vinny is being honest with Campbell.

[littleskins]

I was looking at ESPN News yesterday and a reporter came on and said that it was no real evidence the Redskins were even in the trade.

[lifeisgr8]

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

It's official. Jay Cutler will be a Chicago Bear. The Washington Redskins took a mighty swing at Cutler -- and missed. Now they will deal with the fallout of letting their franchise quarterback Jason Campbell know that he's expendable. Of course, Campbell was already heading into the final year of his contract. But what happened Thursday is a completely different story.

Maybe we'll know soon how close the Redskins came to landing Cutler, but right now, it doesn't matter. They're in the same boat the Broncos were in late February with Cutler.

I don't think Redskins fans will give Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato much of a break over missing out on this deal. Once you start down the road of cutting ties with your current starting quarterback, you better get the deal done.

Now the Redskins have a lame-duck quarterback and potentially a lame-duck head coach.


so true so true...

[LD0506]

I was looking at ESPN News yesterday and a reporter came on and said that it was no real evidence the Redskins were even in the trade.


Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

It's official. Jay Cutler will be a Chicago Bear. The Washington Redskins took a mighty swing at Cutler -- and missed. Now they will deal with the fallout of letting their franchise quarterback Jason Campbell know that he's expendable. Of course, Campbell was already heading into the final year of his contract. But what happened Thursday is a completely different story.

Maybe we'll know soon how close the Redskins came to landing Cutler, but right now, it doesn't matter. They're in the same boat the Broncos were in late February with Cutler.

I don't think Redskins fans will give Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato much of a break over missing out on this deal. Once you start down the road of cutting ties with your current starting quarterback, you better get the deal done.

Now the Redskins have a lame-duck quarterback and potentially a lame-duck head coach.


so true so true...


I really hope I am not the only one that laughed out loud at seeing these two posted back-to-back.

[redman]

The Bears have saved us twice, The Lance Briggs fiasco several years ago and now Jay Cutler.

Snyderrato was willing to give up two number ones for Briggs, Ocho Cinco and now Cutler.

Yup. And the Bears were wrong both times.

God bless having someone in the league dumber than your incompetent front office!

[MWCREDSKINS]

so i suppose the deciding factor was that Denver wanted Orton instead of Campbell. We were going to give this year's 1st, next year's 1st & 3rd, and Campbell? Wow!!!!
Thank goodness we didn't. The guy is not that good, move on, I hope JC has a big season

[USS Redskins]

Well. Our first this year is worth significantly more at 13 than the Bears' at 18, so just because the Bears gave 2 firsts, a third, and dumped a qb, doesn't necessarily mean that we were giving more than 2 firsts and dumping a qb.

Who knows what the real deal was going to be. I don't care any more. I would have liked Cutler for Campbell in a 1-1, which would never have happened. I would have liked a Cutler for Campbel and a first, which also would never have happened. But you just don't trade multiple #1s in a deal. Whenever I see deals with multiple #1s, I think back to the Bullets / Wizards in the 1990s and their lack of first rounders because of trades. It just perpetuates bad situations.

Check the 80's - the Skins traded away nearly all of their #1 picks for years and years. They formed three superbowl winning teams through trades, free agency and great low round draft picks.
Of course, vinny is hardly as saavy as Beathard....

[Art]

In this case, there are multiple sources confirming basically the opposite.

Sorry, but I'd be more inclined to believe everyone else.

But, to each his own, I guess.

Actually, there aren't.

There are multiple media members reporting something. That does not equate to multiple sources.

[Art]

Maybe because you can believe little that comes from his mouth... ? Last time I checked, Jason Taylor was no longer on the roster, for instance.

Art, I'm actually surprised you do believe Vinny is being honest with Campbell.

Or, nothing actually happened, and a team no one seemed to know was in the running got him. Maybe we were done.

[AKM311]

If anyone read Matt Williamson's chat yesterday, a question was asked if we don't get Cutler, wont Campbell be in the same situation.

His response was "Yes it will. Boy isn't this stuff exciting?"

Now I do think we were active in talks, but I also do think the media creates more than whats truly out there to get the stir and attention. The higher the commotion, the more people listen to them.

[James Moss]

Cutler = talented, petulant, boy.

Campbell = talented, unflappable, man.

I'd rather have Jason Campbell. Thanks to da bearrss, I'll get my wish.

:logo:

[SAli457180]

Thanks Bears.. :thumbs up:

Yeah, he's their problem now.

[jivelikenice]

Cutler = talented, petulant, boy.

Campbell = talented, unflappable, man.

I'd rather have Jason Campbell. Thanks to da bearrss, I'll get my wish.

:logo:

Here's my issue.....While I respect Campbell's maturity, we are basing our decision on a QB on that and not what happens on the field....I'd like to see some fire from Campbell.....

[ABSTRACT]

Thank you Bears!!!!!!!

Now we can now keep a franchise QB and 2 1st round draft picks.

Snyderreto in the offseason can make or break us but this has luckily made us. Thank you Bears!!!!

Snyderetto and certain pessimist fans will learn next year.

[ABSTRACT]

Here's my issue.....While I respect Campbell's maturity, we are basing our decision on a QB on that and not what happens on the field....I'd like to see some fire from Campbell.....



How many years has Campbell worked under the same coach and the WCO?
How many years has Cutler worked under the same coach and the WCO?

What receivers does Campbell work with?
What receivers does Cutler work with?

What type of line is blocking for Campbell?
What type of line in blocking for Cutler?

What defenses does Campbell have to face (Eagles, Giants, Ravens, Steelers, Cowboys)?
What defenses does Cutler have to face (Chargers, Chiefs, Raiders)?

There is basic logic and reasoning involved in this thing. Don't let the Snyderetto bug bite you because it is poisonous and it spreads.

[Zhouse]

It is obvious we went for them and the reporting was not wrong.

But I would really love to know what we offered, because I heard a lot of reports and if it was something like the Bears, we are idiots.

I would've been so pissed if we gave up 2 first rounders and a third and Campbell. Just makes zero sense.....so we would have had a 5th,6th, &7th round picks this year?:chair::doh:

[ntotoro]

How many years has Campbell worked under the same coach and the WCO?

How many years has Cutler worked under the same coach and the WCO?

There is basic logic and reasoning involved in this thing. Don't let the Snyderetto bug bite you because it is poisonous and it spreads.

How many years do we have to see Campbell hold on to the ball too long, regardless the Offense?

How many years do we have to see Campbell miss wide-open WR's, regardless the Offense?

How many years is it before we realize one can't change the laws of physics and there's only so much that be done to minimize his throwing motion?

I think Vinny is the worst thing to happen to this team since Dan Snyder, but I also don't believe Campbell is the right QB, regardless how he handles himself.

[jflow78]

The Bears have saved us twice, The Lance Briggs fiasco several years ago and now Jay Cutler.

Snyderrato was willing to give up two number ones for Briggs, Ocho Cinco and now Cutler.

I have to correct you. The Bears have saved us three times, Lance Briggs, Jay Cutler, and the ridiculous deal we signed Adam Archuletta to.

And for the record, I'm with Art on this one. Believe whatever you want, but this isn't the first time the Skins have been said to be seeking someone for absolutely nothing to happen. If Danny wants someone, Danny pretty much gets that person, so I have a hard time believing if he wanted him sooooo bad, we wouldn't have gotten him. We have a better 1st rounder, a better 3rd rounder, and I can bet everyone thinks our 1st next year will be about the same as this year. Now the rumor is that the Broncos are interested in Mark Sanchez. Well, if that's the case, why bother taking Orton and giving up 3 picks in better spots (one close enough to actually get Sanchez). This whole thing makes no sense.

I'm not saying the Skins "played" the NFL and the media, I'm saying the media "played" themselves and look like idiots coming out of it. According to ESPN we've been involved in every free agent or trade deal in the past two years. Last year the FO said they weren't spending, no one from ESPN believed them and said we were heavy after several people, nothing ever happenned.

[redman]

Or, nothing actually happened, and a team no one seemed to know was in the running got him. Maybe we were done.

Art, your willingness to give every benefit of every doubt (real or imagined) to the team has greatly increased since this website became "owned" by the team almost four years ago.

Is this a coincidence?

[LightningBuggs]

Or, nothing actually happened, and a team no one seemed to know was in the running got him. Maybe we were done.

LOL...whatever, man.

Have a good weekend, Art.

[PrimetimeSkins26]

Here's my issue.....While I respect Campbell's maturity, we are basing our decision on a QB on that and not what happens on the field....I'd like to see some fire from Campbell.....

Same, I rather see Campbell screaming junk to the opposing defenses and stomping off the field when 4th down comes around.


Campbell, whether it's here or somewhere else. Is going to be a good quarterback someday.

[mcarey032]

Thank god for the Bears.

Amen to that brother!

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Does anybody believe Campbell is good enough to get us a ring? Isn't that what we want?

[Veretax]

Not to break up the back and forth, but Rotoworld is reporting this wonderful tidbit.


"The Browns were not considered serious contenders for Jay Cutler because Cutler reportedly "wanted no part of" Eric Mangini.
The Browns' concern that Cutler wouldn't report to Cleveland shut down a potential deal. We can't imagine why the Browns would be concerned. Cutler seems like an affable fellow, always willing to roll with the punches."

So I'm REALLY confused now.

[SkinsFanInTennessee]

Does anybody believe Campbell is good enough to get us a ring? Isn't that what we want?

Good point, however, how many people said that Trent Dilfer was good enough to get the Ravens a ring??

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Good point, however, how many people said that Trent Dilfer was good enough to get the Ravens a ring??

He didn't.

He went along for the ride. I want a QB than can win us one, focus on things other than ****ing up, and not rely wholly on the rest of the team.

[pocampo]

Amen to that brother!

From what's been reported, Jason is what made the whole deal fall apart. No team wants him. He just has to show more on the field. Looks like he will have JZ screaming in his ears all season long.

[addicted]

There are multiple media members reporting something. That does not equate to multiple sources.

I have to question the logic in your posts here Art. Why are the Skins releasing statements like this:

"We met with Jason [Campbell] today and had a candid discussion. We told Jason that when [Denver quarterback] Jay Cutler became available we, like many other NFL teams, spoke with the Broncos. We are all on the same page and we are moving forward."

Why are they holding 2 hour meetings with Campbell today if 0we weren't interested?

Jason Reid just got off the phone with Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell, who said he met with owner Daniel M. Snyder, executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato and Coach Jim Zorn for two hours today at Redskins Park. Snyder and Cerrato called the meeting to clear the air about the team's efforts to acquire quarterback Jay Cuter

Why is Jason saying things like this?

"We talked for a long time about everything that had happened and the thing I felt the best about was that I got a chance to talk about what I'm trying to do, which is just get ready for the season and try to help this team get to that higher level."

The way I read this is that we were outbid for Cutler by the Bears who in my opinion got screwed royally by the Broncos. Who knows how far it got but I don't trust Vinny saying yesterday that we weren't interested but then today obviously say that we were interested. I don't follow your logic on that. We might have been close to the deal the Bears offered but obviously we didn't get him and this is a mute point. If we gave up what the Bears did I would be screaming right now. Instead I'm happy we didn't do that. I think we only missed by the third rounder the Bears gave them, I would be really surprised if we turned down two firsts and Jason for Cutler, out past history of offering two number ones for Ocho Stinko tells me at least that much. John Clayton says the same thing, the deal was sealed by the Bears offering the 3rd.

[redsand521]

Its Gods will.


The Bears demise.


Haha funny sig.

I know I was glued to ESPN yesterday and every single sports website I could get on my computer screen.

[Art]

Art, your willingness to give every benefit of every doubt (real or imagined) to the team has greatly increased since this website became "owned" by the team almost four years ago.

Is this a coincidence?

I think that's somewhat misplaced, given I've actually grown more critical of the team over the last several years than prior. Hell, one of the things I was known for PRIOR to the merger was a thread essentially building a case that Snyder was the top owner in professional sports.

I still think he's a pretty good owner, but, I hated the move for Zorn. Unlike you, that move wasn't because others they wanted weren't interested. They really had no interest because everyone else had warts. They fell in love with the concept of getting their own coach who could be Jeff Fisher. The problem is Zorn's like 60 :0.

But, regardless, the simple fact is I know how the media works. And I was consistently trying to say yesterday it was unlikely we were as heavily involved as reported, but, certainly if we got Cutler, smile and hope for the best as fans.

I'm glad we didn't make a trade that cost us too much for Cutler. I'm not a huge Cutler fan generally. I understand the logic of calling and I understand the actions of the media and how it got Denver what it wanted. I'm legitimately surprised you can see only one thing in this.

[addicted]

I still think he's a pretty good owner, but, I hated the move for Zorn. Unlike you, that move wasn't because others they wanted weren't interested. They really had no interest because everyone else had warts. They fell in love with the concept of getting their own coach who could be Jeff Fisher. The problem is Zorn's like 60 :0.

What do you think about the idea of bringing in an older Shannahan next year? I respect your opinion a lot man and wondering what you think. I'm not sold on Zorn either.

[Art]

What do you think about the idea of bringing in an older Shannahan next year? I respect your opinion a lot man and wondering what you think. I'm not sold on Zorn either.

Shanahan is an older, proven coach. It's ok to take an older guy when he doesn't have a learning curve for the job. If you're going to take a first time head coach, my two criteria are that he be young and that he have called plays.

[StillUnknown]

i wonder how Snyder feels about losing out like he did.

does it make him more cautious in future or even more determined to mortgage the future next go round?

[railcon56]

Thank You Bears!