This has got to be the easiest draft decision in years....

[philal0102]

The most needed upgrade we need is RT. We can wait for OLB, and DE till next year.

At #13

Michael Oher, or Andre Smith are the way to go. This is by far the biggest need, and the one piece that needs to be fixed for this offense to run right.

Danny, if I can realize you have a good QB, great RB, Good TE, good LT, good LG, Good C, good RG, bad RT, and a few good WRs, why can't you?

If we draft of these guys we will have a great year, and solid years to come.

[Justsomeguy]

SLB is a point of major concern as well though I think I would draft RT if the right one is there

[bikie]

agree that SLB and RT are our biggest needs... I trust blanche a lot more to find a way to compensate for a weak SLB than I do zorn and JC a subpar RT...our O was just pitiful last year, we have to do whatever it takes to get more than 18 points a game..

[redskins2473]

Oher and Smith will be gone and there is no other tackle prospect worthy of the 13th pick. SLB or DE will be the best values left of need.

[Stew]

We don't have a few good recievers... we just don't. We have one good one, and a bunch of average journeymen... in my eyes at least.

[That Redskins Fan]

i do not know why everyone thinks oher or smith will be gone

1. Stafford

2. j smith or sanchez

3. curry

4. sanchez

5. orpako or crabtree

6. orpako, monroe or raji

7. crabtree, maclin or m. johson or a.smith or heyward bey (it is undead al so he is tough to predict) Also they just signed Khalif barnes and still high on Mario henderson there right tackle

8. chris wells, sanchez, maclin , crabtree

9. maybin, everette brown , raji and maybe andre smith.. the packers conservative nature makes me think a.smith is not on their draft board

10. sanchez, maybin, oher, a.smith Rey Maualuga, with the signing of marvel smith and they have joe stalley on the left, the need for a day one tackle went to down considerably

11. maybin, brown or Ayers Bills neeed pas rush help

12. I think the broncos are goign to rebuild there d

as always in the draft some rises and falls an someone goes in the top 10 you do not expect

I believe oher or smith will be at 13 imo

[Pedro]

It is a simple draft. A starting calibre RT and a decent OLB in that order. Low picks can be used for a CB who needs time and Teams. I'd be happy to start the season with that.

Got to be a good time to give a young LBer some game time. Gonna be tough to run on a DL of Daniels/Griffen/Haynesworth/Carter. Their backups all play the run well too. Good group of young DBs behind them too. We don't need a super star LBer (though we would have a sick D if we got one...). Conversely we need a RT who can play now or we either aren't running right or our RB and TE are being used in protection instead of production. No point paying all these dollars to pass catchers if you aren't going to give your QB a line to play behind.

I don't understand how The Danny couldn't see it.

EDIT: I agree with the guy above ^. There will be a RT when the 13th pick is called. Question is why aren't we sitting pat to see who it is and drafting a potential cure for the single biggest reason our O sucked ass at times last season?

[Dead Money]

Anybody interested in a Guard/Center?? I still think thats the weak spot. Thomas is on the outs and Rabach is clearly not what we need him to be. I know Buges likes him but the Heyer/Jansen thing should work out, its the interior of the line thats suspect now. Can Kendall play right guard?

[scottishskinsfan]

I don't think it really is as straight forward as drafting a OL guy. Our defence could be completly formidable with another 1st round pick on it.

[Capt Rich Fla]

Danny, if I can realize you have a good QB, great RB, Good TE, good LT, good LG, Good C, good RG, bad RT, and a few good WRs, why can't you?

What do you see in our QB that all the other coaches in the NFL do not?

[tex]

vinny will probably trade down to stockpile 2nd rd picks then use them to get some super raw receivers with bad knees and bad study habits. He might even use a 3rd round pick on a OT good for carrying water buckets. Wait a minute, that was last year.

at least we won't have to watch shrimpy and vinny waste this years 2nd rounder. they've already got that covered.

[Veretax]

I think thomas salary makes him uncuttable, but I'd not be opposed to drafting Alex Mack if the OT is not there we want.

[theboomking]

Michael Oher worries me with his inconsistency. One let down every other game for 5 offensive linemen is 40 sacks a year, plus whatever the tight end and backs give up. I was worried about his intelligence, but with a wonderlic of 19, it would seem that he at least has avg intelligence.

I'll probably get hung from the rafters for saying this, but I honestly think out best option is to trade up. From #13 to #9(greenbay) is about the value of our 3rd rounder. While other temas might have made some good choices, I can't recall our most recent impact player chosen in the 3rd round.

The difference between #9 and #13 could be the difference between choosing from Raji, A Smith, and Oher, or Maualuga.

Smith in my mind could take our O-line from below avg to very good and would be the most logical choice based on our needs.

My personal favorite however would be to choose Raji. Pairing Raji with Haynesworth would give us the most dominating interior line in the league, protect our linebackers, and offer a pass rush. Haynesworth had, what, 8 sacks last year while being constantly double teamed. Raji had, I think, 7.5 last year at BC, while also being a dominating run stuffer. Fletcher would have a free run, hopefully Mcintosh's knee is recovered, and plug a body in at SLB. I really feel like our defense would go from a top 5, bend but don't break defense, to a punishing, top 3 defense which creates turnovers and scores.

Look at Pittsburg's offensive line, no better than ours, and probably worse. Their receivers are probably comparable, running back not as good, better quarterback, but more a game manager than 300ypg gamebreaker. Add Raji, sign an OT such as Tauscher for depth. Draft OG and LB 5th round through 7th round. This could be a team that goes deep into the playoffs.

[That Redskins Fan]

Michael Oher worries me with his inconsistency. One let down every other game for 5 offensive linemen is 40 sacks a year, plus whatever the tight end and backs give up. I was worried about his intelligence, but with a wonderlic of 19, it would seem that he at least has avg intelligence.

I'll probably get hung from the rafters for saying this, but I honestly think out best option is to trade up. From #13 to #9(greenbay) is about the value of our 3rd rounder. While other temas might have made some good choices, I can't recall our most recent impact player chosen in the 3rd round.

The difference between #9 and #13 could be the difference between choosing from Raji, A Smith, and Oher, or Maualuga.

Smith in my mind could take our O-line from below avg to very good and would be the most logical choice based on our needs.

My personal favorite however would be to choose Raji. Pairing Raji with Haynesworth would give us the most dominating interior line in the league, protect our linebackers, and offer a pass rush. Haynesworth had, what, 8 sacks last year while being constantly double teamed. Raji had, I think, 7.5 last year at BC, while also being a dominating run stuffer. Fletcher would have a free run, hopefully Mcintosh's knee is recovered, and plug a body in at SLB. I really feel like our defense would go from a top 5, bend but don't break defense, to a punishing, top 3 defense which creates turnovers and scores.

Look at Pittsburg's offensive line, no better than ours, and probably worse. Their receivers are probably comparable, running back not as good, better quarterback, but more a game manager than 300ypg gamebreaker. Add Raji, sign an OT such as Tauscher for depth. Draft OG and LB 5th round through 7th round. This could be a team that goes deep into the playoffs.

the redskins will have to give up more than a 3rd round pick and 13, after the cutler debacle everyone knows the skins will give up anything and everything.. Ted Thompson will lack of a better word rape the skins

[MartinC]

I think thomas salary makes him uncuttable, but I'd not be opposed to drafting Alex Mack if the OT is not there we want.

But not Mack at #13 right? Too high for him there.

If we trade down to the very bottom of the 1st or maybe a couple of 2nds then Mack would be a good pick.

I'm hoping Smith falls to us.

[IbleedBnG83]

I would have to say LB is the biggest concern.

If the season started today, the starters would be McIntosh, Fletcher, Blades. The only backup we have is Fincher.

Blades is not ready to start yet, and is better suited for the middle anyways. McIntosh still has knee concerns.

[Rocky52Mc]

I think some of the talks that Thomas is slipping will all be forgotten if we just get a good RT to play along with him, that being said we need a C as well. I wouldn't mind Heyer starting and trading back to draft Alex.

[flexxskins]

Anybody interested in a Guard/Center?? I still think thats the weak spot. Thomas is on the outs and Rabach is clearly not what we need him to be. I know Buges likes him but the Heyer/Jansen thing should work out, its the interior of the line thats suspect now. Can Kendall play right guard?Next to Samuels; who is our best o-lineman? Yeper, it's Thomas.

I agree that Rabach needs to be replaced. I'm sick of seeing Ratliff an company abuse him twice a year. But, RT is where our QB is getting pressure from on a consistant basis. RT should be our main concern.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

I'm not sure this is the easiest pick at all. For one, they may not even pick at the #13 spot. They may trade to get more picks. Plus, Heyer played quite well at RT in the first few games before he got nicked up. Yes he is a bit of an uncertainty at the RT position, but I wouldn't count him out as a starter this year. Don't be surprised if they trade down or get a "stud" DL or OLB in the 1st round. I think that they are hoping to turn this D into a 2000 Ravens look-a-like.

I love how some of you guys/gals aren't seeing the trend here. Clearly, the Skins FO and coaching staff know that their strengths lie in their ability to consistently have a top 10 defense (on and off in the last few years). It's about time they woke up! I believe that they are trying to stack this defense with talented, elite, players at multiple positions. As a result, they are hoping to create a defense that creates scoring and turnover opportunities every time they step on the field. Actually, one of the coaches or FO guys said something to that effect when they signed Haynesworth and Hall.

By bolstering the defense with a guy like Orakpo, or any of the three top tier OLB, or possibly Raji, etc, they would add youth to a defense that is starting to have a nice balance of young, explosive, talented players mixed with smart, capable, experienced veterans, not to mention that some of those veterans still have a lot left "in the tank" (to use a cliche').

They could go either way, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they picked a DL or OLB in the 1st round. That would make Heyer the frontrunner for the RT position going into the season. Quite honestly, I have been of the mindset that they definitely need to draft a RT, but the more I think about it, I'm not sure that RT (Heyer) was the weakest position on the OL last year. I think that injuries played a major factor as did age of the players. With Dockery, Heyer, and a lot of veteran backups for depth, I think that the O line will be healthier and much more fresh from game to game. RT is not necessarily a position that they need to address in the 1st round. They could trade back and pick up a OT or OG and get a DL or OLB in the late 1st and mid second. I believe that is what they will do if Orakpo, Raji, or the two "surefire" OT's are gone. Even if one of the OT's is there at #13, I have a hunch they'll still trade back if that defensive guy isn't on there board at #13.

[tiger187126]

What do you see in our QB that all the other coaches in the NFL do not?

what do you see in colt brennan that all other NFL coaches do not?

[flexxskins]

What do you see in our QB that all the other coaches in the NFL do not?OMG, does every thread have to include how someone feels about Jason Campbell? Wow, this thread has nothing to do with our QB. Let it go for a few minutes.

We get it...you don't like Jason Campbell.

[theboomking]

I'm not sure we can rely on thomas. He has had multiple year ending surgeries and did not seem like the same player last year. Thomas is now coming off of a major neck surgery. Although I would like to move up, I'm impulsive and would make a poor GM. The odds are good that either Oher, Smith, or Raji, will fall to #13.

Even if Raji only tested positive for pineapple express, he also tested positive in college and lost a year do to academic ineligibility. There is a chance that he could fall due to character concerns.I actually think he is a higher character risk than smith. We all know that with Smith's combine disappearance and interviews, and workouts, that there is a chance he could fall. If Orakpo, A Smith, Oher and Raji are all gone, I really think we need to trade back. Maybin is too high a risk with his one year of college production and size, cushing has too great an injury hx-smells like dan morgan all over again, Matthews has only one year of production. If we stay put, and can't draft OT or DT, I prefer Maualuga.

Our most logical choice, not my favorite, may be OT at #13, OG in Rd 3.There is likely to be a very serviceable guard available in the 3rd round, perhaps even Duke Robinson who was projected as a #1 at one point. Honestly, although we would be talking about moving from the 3rd to the 2nd round, I would love to get the OC Wood. He played well against Raji in the senior bowl, had 30 reps at 225, a 30 inch vertical, has size, can play guard or center, and is rising up draft boards.

I know I am all over the place, but A Smith and Wood would go a long way to shoring up both our run blocking and pass blocking game.

[bubba9497]

draft Smoot some fat boys :)

[MARK PHILLIPS]

I'm feelin drafting O Line also. Hey, our D finished 4th in the league last season, and the 3 guys we lost, Springs, Washington, and Taylor, were hurt most of the time anyway.
We upgraded the D line with Hanyesworth, Wynn, and Daniels, and Blades will be fine at LB. Redskins D this season looks like another top 10 D to me already.
Draft an O lineman, protect the QB, let these young receivers develop, and everyone else do what you been doing and lets make a run at the playoffs.

[flexxskins]

I'm not sure we can rely on thomas. He has had multiple year ending surgeries and did not seem like the same player last year. Thomas is now coming off of a major neck surgery. I really don't understand why, but you are exargerating your info on Thomas.

"Multiple year ending surgeries"? Since he has been with us, I only remember him having one season ending injury/surgery.

Also, I've never heard the surgery that Thomas had done on his neck described as being "major".

[wilco_holland]

How big is the chance ya find a starting ROT in the later rounds of the draft then a OLB.
There are some realy solid LB's later in the draft like, Kaluka Maiava (USC), Tyrone McKenzie (South Florida), Marcus Freeman (Ohio St.) and Robert Francois.
But at OT....I am not sure if these people are any better then Heyer, Alex Boone? (Ohio St.), Garrett Reynolds? (North Carolina), Andrew Gardner? (GT) and Jason Watkins? (Florida).

[RWJ]

Anybody interested in a Guard/Center?? I still think thats the weak spot. Thomas is on the outs and Rabach is clearly not what we need him to be. I know Buges likes him but the Heyer/Jansen thing should work out, its the interior of the line thats suspect now. Can Kendall play right guard?

I am with you. I think a trade down will occur, then go after Alex Mack, then OLB Sintim, then RT.

[jnhay]

What do you see in our QB that all the other coaches in the NFL do not?

Who could answer that question without knowing what all the coaches in the NFL see?

[MartinC]

The "4 OTs" in this Draft are considerably overrated and do not come close to the quality of guys like Thomas or Long of prior Drafts! Both ASmith and MOher are no better at this stage than Heyer or Fabini ... they are projects and will not start immediately. The Skins must Draft a starter at 13 or trade down for depth. Its ludicrous how many fans on this site think that by "drafting one of the OTs" the Skins OL will be improved. You are in fantasyland Kiperites!

I take it your view is the result of many hours of film study and a detailed analysis of the players in question based on your in depth knowledge and experience of offensive line play?

[MartinC]

How big is the chance ya find a starting ROT in the later rounds of the draft then a OLB.
There are some realy solid LB's later in the draft like, Kaluka Maiava (USC), Tyrone McKenzie (South Florida), Marcus Freeman (Ohio St.) and Robert Francois.
But at OT....I am not sure if these people are any better then Heyer, Alex Boone? (Ohio St.), Garrett Reynolds? (North Carolina), Andrew Gardner? (GT) and Jason Watkins? (Florida).

I think you are probably right but you can strike gold every now and then. Joe Jacoby was an undrafted free agent lets not forget - and that was when they had 12 rounds in the draft!

[The Full Monty]

It would be nice to be able to run to the right side and actually get some yards. The past two years have been very predictable for NFL defenses:

When the Redskins want to punch it in, they go left.

That said, I still say draft BPA.

[jweisk1]

We don't have a few good recievers... we just don't. We have one good one, and a bunch of average journeymen... in my eyes at least.

So you want to draft a WR???

[theboomking]

I thought that thomas had a season ending ankle injury, followed by a season ending tricep injury. I believe that his surgery this offseason was a cervical discectomy. To do that procedure, they go in through the front of the neck, approach the vertebral column, and remove part of an intervertebral disc which is compressing a nerve root. I hope that you are right and he recovers well. I really like him as a person and a locker room leader, and I thought he was great when healthy. That being said, ideally, we would have a back up plan.

Regarding the four offensive tackles, A Smith was at one point considered a potential #1 pick, and compares favorably on film to last year's #1 pick overall. Based on his on the field performance and potential, I think he definitely rates with the top four tackles from last year.

All that being said, I think we are one playmaker on the D-line and one at linebacker away from being a ravens/pittsburg quality defense. It might sound crazy, but I am in favor of fortifying our strength. We I would love to see Raji or Orakpo next to Haynesworth, but that may be a pipe dream. Maybe a trade down and hope for maualuga and jarron gilbert.

[justice98]

agree that SLB and RT are our biggest needs... I trust blanche a lot more to find a way to compensate for a weak SLB than I do zorn and JC a subpar RT...our O was just pitiful last year, we have to do whatever it takes to get more than 18 points a game..

I'm much more comfortable attempting to get a LB capable of starting later in the draft than a starting OT. LBs can be had much easier than OT, IMO.

[redskin mark]

While other temas might have made some good choices, I can't recall our most recent impact player chosen in the 3rd round.

.

Chris Cooley?

[papaSkins27]

I'd like us to trade back to late first / early 2nd (Lions??) and grab Britton to start at RT and then snag Mack or Ungar with the next pick. With our 3rd pick up best SLB available like Freeman or whoever falls into 3rd.

Man could you imagine our OLine depth after that draft? I think this is our best bet becuase I'm convinced the 49ers are going to take Rey Maualuga after signing FA OT's recently (although if Sanchez falls maybe they take him?). I'd be happy with Maualuga or a big 4 OT at 13, otherwise I hope we trade back and really add to our OLine with some solid picks.

[Laxpunk2006]

The "4 OTs" in this Draft are considerably overrated and do not come close to the quality of guys like Thomas or Long of prior Drafts! Both ASmith and MOher are no better at this stage than Heyer or Fabini ... they are projects and will not start immediately. The Skins must Draft a starter at 13 or trade down for depth. Its ludicrous how many fans on this site think that by "drafting one of the OTs" the Skins OL will be improved. You are in fantasyland Kiperites!

I wish I could remember the source so I could post it, but I seem to remember reading the exact opposite. That Long and Thomas would not have been the top tackles taken had they come out in this year's draft.

I can see Oher possibly not being an immediate starter if he still struggles with the mental aspects, but I don't see a single reason Andre Smith couldn't start on the right side from day one. He might take a season or two of NFL training to anchor the left but he shouldn't have a problem with RT.

[generals01]

I wish I could remember the source so I could post it, but I seem to remember reading the exact opposite. That Long and Thomas would not have been the top tackles taken had they come out in this year's draft.

I can see Oher possibly not being an immediate starter if he still struggles with the mental aspects, but I don't see a single reason Andre Smith couldn't start on the right side from day one. He might take a season or two of NFL training to anchor the left but he shouldn't have a problem with RT.

I saw Charlie Casserly on NFL network talking about the OT in this draft and he said if you look at just tape, Andre Smith is the best tackle prospect in this draft. Casserly said he was the best pass blocker and run blocker. Said he as good of a run blocker and pass blocker as Jake Long. I don't get why people don't think he can't immediately start at RT. He moves surprisingly well for his size.

[CPortJGibbs89]

I completely agree that RT is our absolute biggest need. I would also believe that people who say that the reason Campbell fell off last year due to the line would be screaming for a quality right tackle to help him out. I hope to god we address this in the draft because Jansen is done and Heyer cant run block for ****.

[turbodiesel#44]

The most needed upgrade we need is RT. We can wait for OLB, and DE till next year.

At #13

Michael Oher, or Andre Smith are the way to go. This is by far the biggest need, and the one piece that needs to be fixed for this offense to run right.

Danny, if I can realize you have a good QB, great RB, Good TE, good LT, good LG, Good C, good RG, bad RT, and a few good WRs, why can't you?

If we draft of these guys we will have a great year, and solid years to come.
I concur. But if those guys are gone and/or we trade down, the issue becomes much more cloudy.

[kevinklein]

By looking at my signature one can deduce that I agree full heartedly with the original poster.

[slappy434]

vinny will probably trade down to stockpile 2nd rd picks then use them to get some super raw receivers with bad knees and bad study habits. He might even use a 3rd round pick on a OT good for carrying water buckets. Wait a minute, that was last year.

at least we won't have to watch shrimpy and vinny waste this years 2nd rounder. they've already got that covered.




:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

thats the funniest thing I've read on here in a while.
especially the last part.

[GothSkinsFan]

But not Mack at #13 right? Too high for him there.

That attitude is ridiculous. Let's say everyone agrees that Mack is a sure thing -- maybe not a HOF'er, but a "sure" (as sure as can be) 10-15 year starter at C. So you need a C but you're at 13 and have no decent trade down prospects to the lower levels of the 1st (by this I mean, let's say AZ offers 31 & their 3rd rounder, but rumor has it Mack goes 25th). You otherwise have no chance to draft Mack so you let him go because 13 "is too high for him"? WTF? It's one thing not to draft a 4th round guy in the 2nd round, but 15 spots? when you need the guy? when he's a sure thing? Come on. That's how little minds wreck teams. Frankly, I'd be happy with Mack at 13. Oher and A. Smith scare the crap outta me. You bust on them, wow.

[KCJDLJ]

the redskins will have to give up more than a 3rd round pick and 13, after the cutler debacle everyone knows the skins will give up anything and everything.. Ted Thompson will lack of a better word rape the skins No, the Cutler situation clearly shows the the Redskins won't give up anything to get what they want. There is a line that they didn't cross. All they would have had to do is give up the two first round picks and kick in this years third. The Bears swaped their third for Denvers fifth round pick. Orton wasn't important to the deal. Chicago just wanted to get him off of the payroll. Denver had previously said that they didn't have to receive a QB as part of doing business for Cutler. This deal was all about the draft picks. I give major kudos to the FO for not crossing the line. Personally I wouldn't have given more than Campbell and next years first round pick for Cutler. That certainly wouldn't have been enough but Cutler isn't worth any more than that. He isn't much better than Campbell.

[HA1LV1CT0RY]

The most needed upgrade we need is RT. We can wait for OLB, and DE till next year.

At #13

Michael Oher, or Andre Smith are the way to go. This is by far the biggest need, and the one piece that needs to be fixed for this offense to run right.

Danny, if I can realize you have a good QB, great RB, Great TE, Great LT, Pretty Good LG, Good C, good RG, bad RT, and 1 great WR and 2 potenially great, why can't you?

If we draft of these guys we will have a great year, and solid years to come.

Fixed that up for you. :hysterical:

[KCJDLJ]

That attitude is ridiculous. Let's say everyone agrees that Mack is a sure thing -- maybe not a HOF'er, but a "sure" (as sure as can be) 10-15 year starter at C. So you need a C but you're at 13 and have no decent trade down prospects to the lower levels of the 1st (by this I mean, let's say AZ offers 31 & their 3rd rounder, but rumor has it Mack goes 25th). You otherwise have no chance to draft Mack so you let him go because 13 "is too high for him"? WTF? It's one thing not to draft a 4th round guy in the 2nd round, but 15 spots? when you need the guy? when he's a sure thing? Come on. That's how little minds wreck teams. Frankly, I'd be happy with Mack at 13. Oher and A. Smith scare the crap outta me. You bust on them, wow. The Redskins don't do things that way. Vinny will take the best player available regardless of need. That's how they have always done it and I don't think they will change that. Particularly for a center. How many centers have even been drafted in the first round over the years. I think Jake Grove was drafted as a center but I can't think of any others. Speaking of HOF centers, there aren't but seven or eight C who have been inducted. A center at thirteen is a bad value. I don't care who it is.

[Pedro]

There will be one of the 4 top rated Tackles available when we pick at 13. Fingers crossed we pull the trigger and they work out.

[[[ghost]]]

The Redskins don't do things that way. Vinny will take the best player available regardless of need. That's how they have always done it and I don't think they will change that. Particularly for a center. How many centers have even been drafted in the first round over the years. I think Jake Grove was drafted as a center but I can't think of any others. Speaking of HOF centers, there aren't but seven or eight C who have been inducted. A center at thirteen is a bad value. I don't care who it is.

Good logic. Mack might be a good Center, but its not even like he's the most dominating Center to come out ever. I'd much rather have Oher. Or even Mauluga.

If Oher is there at #13, I think we'd be quite wise to take him.

[theboomking]

Chris Cooley?

Oops. In all fairness, we did trade the next year's #2 for him. Got another one? Dockery is the best I can come up with. So many Cliff Russel's and Rashad Bauman's etc.

I agree that one of the 4 OT's will be available. I honestly not that fond of Monroe. I don't think he is that great of a run blocker. One of the great things about A Smth, and maybe Oher, is that they can start off at RT, and move to LT when Samuels retires or is injured.

Who do you guys like at OG or LB with our #3? What do you think of Herman Johnson and where he will be available?

[heliKCx17]

Oher and Smith will be gone and there is no other tackle prospect worthy of the 13th pick. SLB or DE will be the best values left of need.

Please list for me the 4 teams that would take OTs...it wont happen. If it does, an elite defensive talent (orakpo), sanchez (for trade down), and crabtree will have to be there. This will not happen, and if it does, we will get a top 5 player with the #13 pick.

[TheShredSkinz]

BPA. If Raji falls from the weed thing I'd snag him If A. Smith is gone.

[TheShredSkinz]

Please list for me the 4 teams that would take OTs...it wont happen. If it does, an elite defensive talent (orakpo), sanchez (for trade down), and crabtree will have to be there. This will not happen, and if it does, we will get a top 5 player with the #13 pick.

It is very likely 3 will be gone leaving us with Oher. It would be Christmas if A Smith is there for us. We are at a good spot to at least come away with 1 good OT this year. But it might be Oher,Britton or one of the other late 1st early 2nd prospects.

[ciresolstice]

I agree I'd go RT first but if those two guys you mentioned are gone, and most likely they will be, then we have to look at SLB. or trading back. Unless it's Orakpo I don't think any other DE should be taken at 13. I'm not even sure I'd want Crabtree or Sanchez if they fell, we have too many WR's as it is, just restructured ARE and spend draft picks on 3 pass catchers last season. The whole QB thing is muddy with the Cutler thing falling through, holding a meeting to reassure Campbell, bringing in Leftwich for a workout, drafting Colt last season. Ugh.

[RocketCitySkins]

I believe that his surgery this offseason was a cervical discectomy. To do that procedure, they go in through the front of the neck, approach the vertebral column, and remove part of an intervertebral disc which is compressing a nerve root. I hope that you are right and he recovers well. I really like him as a person and a locker room leader, and I thought he was great when healthy. That being said, ideally, we would have a back up plan.


The Washington Post reported last week that Randy Thomas (neck) is making good progress from neck surgery earlier in the offseason, according to head coach Jim Zorn. He should be ready to participate in offseason practices and full-contact practices in training camp.

[Rocky52Mc]

I am with you. I think a trade down will occur, then go after Alex Mack, then OLB Sintim, then RT.

In my opinion...if Guard/Center is our biggest concern on the line, then Jon Jansen isn't our starting RT.

I think we need a RT.

Rabach and Thomas are more stable at this point in time then Jansen. If we go RT we sure up this position for years and possibly Chad R. can come in and play RG eventually when Thomas needs out. Center being the only thing left to fill next year or late rounds.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

RT is a huge concern, but really not bigger than SLB, because we have 2 RT's on the roster, but not one SLB. If Maualuga is there take him at #13 to be a SLB for a year or two, then move him to the middle.

I like Michael Oher a lot, I think he might be the best steal of the draft, but he should be gone.

A. Smith has got the longest arms, but not the best thinking in the world, not thrilled about him, but he should be gone also.

[texasthunder]

So if you are the GM would you make the trade up to the Lions #1 pick and grab Jason Smith from Baylor??

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/05/report-lions-attempting-to-trade-no-1-pick/


The Detroit Lionshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/05/report-lions-attempting-to-trade-no-1-pick/#) have initiated trade scenarios (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2009/04/05/hell_be_a_guiding_light/?page=4) with other NFLhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/05/report-lions-attempting-to-trade-no-1-pick/#) teams about trading the top overall selection they currently own, according to Mike Reiss of the Boston Globe.


I dont think I would. But it would be interesting to see what some of y'all think.

[mithong1]

So if you are the GM would you make the trade up to the Lions #1 pick and grab Jason Smith from Baylor??

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/05/report-lions-attempting-to-trade-no-1-pick/


The Detroit Lionshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/05/report-lions-attempting-to-trade-no-1-pick/#) have initiated trade scenarios (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2009/04/05/hell_be_a_guiding_light/?page=4) with other NFLhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/05/report-lions-attempting-to-trade-no-1-pick/#) teams about trading the top overall selection they currently own, according to Mike Reiss of the Boston Globe.


I dont think I would. But it would be interesting to see what some of y'all think.


ud only do taht for a SUPER OT prospect, like a orlando pace, ogden, or walter jones

[mithong1]

RT is a huge concern, but really not bigger than SLB, because we have 2 RT's on the roster, but not one SLB. If Maualuga is there take him at #13 to be a SLB for a year or two, then move him to the middle.

I like Michael Oher a lot, I think he might be the best steal of the draft, but he should be gone.

A. Smith has got the longest arms, but not the best thinking in the world, not thrilled about him, but he should be gone also.

i think if andre smith cut down to 310 or so, he could be an amazing LT

[mithong1]

if we drafted a RT, our oline depth would be quite nice. samuels at LT, smith/oher at RT, dock, rabach, thomas on the interior

heyer swing tackle backup
jansen and rinehart backup for the interior. sounds good to me.


of course we'd have some serious issues at the sam linebacker spot.

[PROSCOUT]

Anybody interested in a Guard/Center?? I still think thats the weak spot. Thomas is on the outs and Rabach is clearly not what we need him to be. I know Buges likes him but the Heyer/Jansen thing should work out, its the interior of the line thats suspect now. Can Kendall play right guard?

Nice post.

That is something that most people on this board do not care about. Most people criticize Snyder for his sexy moves but for that exact same reason, most fans do not care to discuss CENTER. This is the most overlooked position in football and yet its the FIRST person to touch the ball.

I agree with you and it would not bother me if they traded down to 24 or 25, then picked up a 2nd round pick and used that 2nd round pick on the best center in college. If the Skins want to control the ball, then it all starts with the offensive line and the MIDDLE of the field.

[mithong1]

best case scenario is obviously trading down and getting a sam linebacker and OT though

[tibbidoe]

I don't care who's available at #13, I hope we trade down. Maybe a couple of times. One OT, or DE or whatever, will NOT fix all of our problems. We need to get back into the 2nd round and add more guys to compete. If we can turn that #1 into a 1-2, or 2-2-2, we should. Then we just have to pick wisely.

At 13, we will not get the top player at any position we actually need. Plus if we can get 3-4 guys in there, instead of just one player, our odds of getting a solid player increase.

[theboomking]

I don't care who's available at #13, I hope we trade down. Maybe a couple of times. One OT, or DE or whatever, will NOT fix all of our problems. We need to get back into the 2nd round and add more guys to compete. If we can turn that #1 into a 1-2, or 2-2-2, we should. Then we just have to pick wisely.

At 13, we will not get the top player at any position we actually need. Plus if we can get 3-4 guys in there, instead of just one player, our odds of getting a solid player increase.

2-2-2
Jarron Gilbert
Eric Wood
Phil Loadholt
Both lines fortified. Loadholt worries me a little as he has been described as being a bit stiff. I haven't seen him play much though.

Honestly, I prefer A Smith, best guard/center available in Rd #3 & 5
let the Oline develop for a year and go DE and OLB in 1 & 2 next year

I still get a little teary eyed at imagining Raji and Haynesworth on the same D-line. May not make us the most balanced team, but it would be fun to watch that defence.

[DCDiesel44]

Samuels will be 32 by the time the season starts, Dockery 29, Rabach 32, Thomas 33, Heyer 25. Samuels is getting up there but just had another pro bowl season which means he's still got a couple more years of productivity before he starts to decline. Derrick Dockery is a good run-blocker and will do a better job opening holes for Portis, not to mention he has good chemistry and locker room presence. I agree with a lot of people on here when its said that its time we draft a center to replace Rabach, who got blown off the ball a few too many times last year by big defensive tackles. Randy Thomas has been one of the anchors of our line and is coming back from neck surgery and will be 100% by the time training camp starts. Stephon Heyer won the starting job last year and only lost it to Jansen because he went down with an injury. By drafting an OT like Oher or Smith we'd be bringing in a guy that would come in and compete for our RT position and would be tutored by guys like Samuels and Jansen which is great. Later in the draft we take a center who can come in and take over for Rabach. By the start of the season our line would go from the ages of 32, 29, 32, 33, 25 to 32, 29, 22, 33, 22. We would not only get younger and more skilled, but our line would be much less prone to injury and would have much more depth than it does now.

[theboomking]

Let me qualify this by saying that I also would like to see us draft a center. I don't think that any center we draft however would play. As much as I feel that we allowed too much penetration through the middle, and did not get enough movement, Buges seems quite enamored with Raymer. Drafting An OT and a player who can play either OG or C would give us good flexibility. If the BPA in Rd#3 is a pure guard however, I would go in that direction. Who do you guys like at center in Rd 3-7? How about A Smith's teamate from Bama? I know a good number of people here like AQ Shipley.

As an aside, has there been any word about Kendall resigning, or being courted elsewhere?

[FutureOwner]

I agree with everyone saying we should target the O Line whether T, C, or G. The reason is that we need to know for sure what we have with Jason Campbell at the end of this season, so we know whether to look for another QB or to re-sign him. Otherwise we risk making the wrong choice at the most important position. Our defense would be fantastic with another LB at #13, but I think we can live with Blades as our starter, pick up a backup in round three and wait until next year's draft to get another starter.

[littleskins]

Use the !st & 3rd to move up and get Orakpo. Move Jansen to center and keep Heyer at right tackle.

[Laron Burgundy]

I agree with everyone saying we should target the O Line whether T, C, or G. The reason is that we need to know for sure what we have with Jason Campbell at the end of this season, so we know whether to look for another QB or to re-sign him. Otherwise we risk making the wrong choice at the most important position. Our defense would be fantastic with another LB at #13, but I think we can live with Blades as our starter, pick up a backup in round three and wait until next year's draft to get another starter.

I kinda agree with a lot of this. I'm not against drafting Maualuga at 13 if he's there though. The only starting ILB that are older than Fletcher are Farrior, Bruschi, Zach Thomas and Ray Lewis. Obviously good company, because if you are going to be that old you better be really good. Fletcher will be 34 at the start of next season and the oldest ILB in the league right now is 35. I don't see him lasting another two seasons. That being said, I don't mind if we pass on Maualuga either because Rolando McClain and Brandon Spikes might be there next year.

I think Oher and Smith have great value at 13, so I wouldn't mind us going with them if they are there. I think any other year they would be top 10, if not top 5, draft choices. But at this point I'd rather we draft Malcolm Jenkins or Knowshon/Wells over Cushing. Yes, Cushing is a player at a position of need, but all things considered he's a second rate player who didn't excel in college. His claim to fame is that he has good potential. You can draft OLB in the 3rd round who have good potential. If the elite prospects are gone by our pick then we should trade down and pick up Mack or Robinson.

[alwaysaskin]

2-2-2
Jarron Gilbert
Eric Wood
Phil Loadholt
Both lines fortified. Loadholt worries me a little as he has been described as being a bit stiff. I haven't seen him play much though.

Honestly, I prefer A Smith, best guard/center available in Rd #3 & 5
let the Oline develop for a year and go DE and OLB in 1 & 2 next year

I still get a little teary eyed at imagining Raji and Haynesworth on the same D-line. May not make us the most balanced team, but it would be fun to watch that defence.

Not a Loadholt fan at all after watching the senior bowl practices, Loadholt was getting abused constantly and getting beat constantly. I like Eric Wood, but Loadholt might be more of the same at RT

[theboomking]

Not a Loadholt fan at all after watching the senior bowl practices, Loadholt was getting abused constantly and getting beat constantly. I like Eric Wood, but Loadholt might be more of the same at RT

I don't remember who, maybe mayock, but one analyst stated that he might entirely remove loadholt from his board because of how stiff he looked. I'm not sure who the second round tackles are now. Looks like Beatty may go in the first and Britton looks like a lock for the 1st.

[Skinsinparadise]

Not sure I agree. I would agree if all players are equal and its just an issue of picking a position. Personally I like the idea of making the O line a priority. But both Oher and Smith have questions about them so IMO its a question of how the teams scouts see those guys.

Do we really feel comfortable with HB Blades as the Strong linebacker? Haynsworth is going to add some push up the middle, but are we going to be able to take advantage of it via Daniels or Wynn or do we need a young pass rusher?

For me, my first choice would be to trade down, if they go down to the 20s lets say, they'd likely have a shot at one of these players: Britton, Beatty, Matthews, Cushing, Mauluga, Ayers, Johnson, English. Of course, some of these guys will be gone, but its very unlikely all of them will be taken.

Hopefully you pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder in the process and address another need. If the pick you nail down is in the mid to later 2nd or early to mid third, you should have a shot at one of the top guards in the draft for example or maybe one of the top 3-5 centers.

If you buy into what some of the draft geeks are saying, the third round this year should be especially good for WR, and if you go with the Cerrato best player available drill, wouldn't shock me if they end up with another third that they'd use one on them. I recall reading they were scouting one of the young touted WR's in this draft, forgot which one.

[Hawk Finn]

Oher will be the pick, though I'd love to trade down.

[hiswadeness]

I think if one of the top 4 tackles is at 13 we snag him. The question is what to do if they are gone.

[paintrain]

I'm really wary about drafting someone at #13 to immediately change their position. We need to emerge from the draft with a starting SLB. We need to get a starter for that position at #13 hands down. We can draft a RT (one that actually played the position in college) in the 3rd round and start him if he can beat out Heyer.

[stevemcqueen1]

Assuming both players are there of course. I agree, we have at least some solutions we can try at SLB and LE with younger and older players on the roster. No, none of the potential players at those positions seem that great, but atleast we will probably have a serviceable starter at each spot. That is not true of RT. Something needs to be done about the offensive line if our offense will ever work. And it does seem likely that we can get one of two elite players at offensive tackle at 13.

By god, if both are there, and we actually take someone else at pick 13, I'm going to be furious. It is a time when immediate need and BPA actually might coincide.

[stevemcqueen1]

I'm really wary about drafting someone at #13 to immediately change their position. We need to emerge from the draft with a starting SLB. We need to get a starter for that position at #13 hands down. We can draft a RT (one that actually played the position in college) in the 3rd round and start him if he can beat out Heyer.

I don't know, I don't think many RT's in college make it to the pros. That is usually where you put your crappier tackle. I'd bet that a huge percentage of starting pro-RT's played on the other side in college.

Besides, we had a top 5 defense last year with H.B. Blades starting a lot of the games at SAM. It's definitely not a desperate need.

[JuicyJ]

I haven't had the time to think up draft scenarios but it would be GREAT if they could somehow trade down at 13 for a late 1st & a 2nd rounder. With the late 1st, draft OLB Clay Matthews and with the 2nd, draft the best OT on OUR board.

I think that would be our best bet~

[SAli457180]

The problem is that with Vinny and Snyder, nothing is ever easy.

[skins2victory]

Oher and Smith will be gone and there is no other tackle prospect worthy of the 13th pick. SLB or DE will be the best values left of need.

If that is what really happends then I agree it will be a tougher decision, I would still consider other O-Linemen and SLB, but not DE. Of the 3 areas of concern, DE is the least need of help of the 3, and we can not use our first round pick on it!!!

[turbodiesel#44]

I'm really wary about drafting someone at #13 to immediately change their position. We need to emerge from the draft with a starting SLB. We need to get a starter for that position at #13 hands down. We can draft a RT (one that actually played the position in college) in the 3rd round and start him if he can beat out Heyer.That is a totally inaccurate statement. Vinny Drafted a 3rd round OL last year. Obviously from poor performance and injuries last year, we were desperate for OL help. Vinny's 3rd rounder couldn't bend a single blade of grass on the field. Not 1 single play, not even after the season was lost. And you think we can start a guy like that?

[sb_xxvi]

I would have to say LB is the biggest concern.

If the season started today, the starters would be McIntosh, Fletcher, Blades. The only backup we have is Fincher.

Blades is not ready to start yet, and is better suited for the middle anyways. McIntosh still has knee concerns.



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[Never4get#21]

That is a totally inaccurate statement. Vinny Drafted a 3rd round OL last year. Obviously from poor performance and injuries last year, we were desperate for OL help. Vinny's 3rd rounder couldn't bend a single blade of grass on the field. Not 1 single play, not even after the season was lost. And you think we can start a guy like that?


Yeah but Buges has said this offseason that Rhino made progress and could see time at guard. The left side is set with Samuels and Dockery. Buges is still sold on Rabach so he's not going anywhere. Thomas and Heyer/Jansen are the issues, but Thomas is not the problem. If we address RT (A. Smith/Oher) then we also add depth to guard with Jansen, so if Rhino doesnt work out you can plug in another RT looking to save his career by moving inside. Addressing RT would provide much needed depth along the line.

I hope A.Smith falls to us at #13.

[artmonkforHOF]

what if all of the "big 4" OT are gone by #13? I have seen some mock drafts that even have most peoples #5 OT, Britton, gone by #10 to SF if both Sanchez & Stafford are off the board by then too.

I would love a OT, but I just don't think we will get one at #13. I think it's a toss up between Ayers & Matthews.

[#98QBKiller]

If we do draft Smith or Oher, I hope that Marcus Freeman or Lawrence Sidbury are available in the 3rd. I'd be happy with any combination of those 4 players.

[Superbowl Mohawk]

The most needed upgrade we need is RT. We can wait for OLB, and DE till next year.

At #13

Michael Oher, or Andre Smith are the way to go. This is by far the biggest need, and the one piece that needs to be fixed for this offense to run right.

Danny, if I can realize you have a good QB, great RB, Good TE, good LT, good LG, Good C, good RG, bad RT, and a few good WRs, why can't you?

If we draft of these guys we will have a great year, and solid years to come.

Hail. While I mostly agree I dont think of John Jansen as a "BAD RT." Yes age and injury have caught up to him but he is still someone who can rise up when called upon from the depths. A good work out and locker room presence as well as a true redskin. We do need to look for a NEW starter at RT right now. I would hope we could get Smith or Oher, I would hope they would be able to contribute having to adjust playing in the NFL and NEW positions and would hope they would be solid players for now and days ahead. HAIL.